Why EVERYONE Hates the MK8 GTI and MK8 Golf R

Why does everyone HATE the MK8 GTI and MK8 Golf R? Well not everyone does, but a whole lot of folks really hate the MK8. MK8 issues like bad software, MK8 steering wheel, MK8 haptic, MK8 buttons and of course the dealer markups lead to a lot of bad feelings about the MK8 GTI and MK8 Golf R! I have really loved a lot about this car in the 2.5years ive had it.
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[@HumbleMechanic]

As much as we poked fun, and pointed out some real issues, I have LOVED my MK8! Im kinda bummed to be selling it. But if you are in the market for a MK8.. HOLLA!

[@draneldavid4472]

I love my MK8.

[@mackjsm7105]

Great Vid BTW!!! They have these in Delray Beach Florida.. well.. ONE.. for $45,000.. and a (GTI -Sfor $39K) they can't sell these. VW needs to wake up. GTI's/R are supposed to be affordable for folks in their 30s.. not in their 50/60ss. The Market adjustment is complete CRAP.. and FORD, GM is already feeling it. Good.

[@JoshuaGotcher]

I’d hit you up if I was in the market. You’ve solved all the grumbles you can and it looks real nice!

[@curtaberle1783]

Hey Charles, how did you get a black bumperdillo??

[@scottroberts5529]

When had those 034 wheels on ur mk8 we're u running any spacers

[@danhalen4231]

“The dealers have a lot of power” but the consumer has more. If people would stop buying cars at marked up rates, the dealer has to sit on that inventory.

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

And stop buying cars with no buttons, switches, knobs and with piano black trim.

[@DontDrinkTheFlavorAid]

The typical consumer self inserts every single time, they never know when to quit which is why the majority of Americans would stuggle to cover a $1000 emergency, flexing is more important

[@ITB_E86]

What feeds more fuel to the fire is people actually bragging about being able to "afford" said ridiculous markups. I thought people bragged about getting deals on cars, not overpaying for them

[@DontDrinkTheFlavorAid]

@@ITB_E86 Even when they brag about the great deal they got, they lie. I once had someone tell me about the great deal they got on the car only for them to mention gap insurance on it. It's scary how many adults don't have a clue how money works

[@ScottPC]

This is what happens in the UK. We even get discounts of 10-15% off retail when they have to sell a load for the quarters.

[@JasonThaiKennedy]

Manufacturers have gone to capacitive touch and screens for one reason and one reason only, Cost Savings. The MK8 is a demonstration in cost savings.

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

Joke's on them. I'm practicing my own cost savings by not buying one.

[@Peter_Riis_DK]

Exactly, Jason.

[@MishtahPoog]

Exactly -- they're cheaper to manufacture. They also advertise well and look good in photos of the car, and the company can market all the crammed-in features and functionality. To me, eliminating buttons for touch-screens generally makes a car feel cheap. Luxury is now having buttons and switches. If you look at super high-end cars like Rolls Royce, they actually have really good buttons and switches. The opposite end of the spectrum is newer Teslas, with super cheap touchscreen-only interiors.

[@keithwalsh1882]

It's also a matter of feeling they must pile on all kinds of additional functionality/features and need some way to access it all. Many of these 'features' most drivers will never make use of.

[@darthnatas953]

Well they sure spent a hell of a lot of money paying the teenagers to redesign the entire interior of a car that was nearly perfect in the mk7.

[@westonite210]

I think a lot of these issues wouldn’t have been such a big deal if it wasn’t following up the mk7, which did such an amazing job of getting the basics right. The obvious cost cutting felt like a betrayal of the GTI/R’s reputation of feeling like it was a class above its price point

[@paulherbert5548]

My 2015 GTI-S is amazing even after all these years.

[@darthnatas953]

I'm not sure it was cost cutting as it was spending the money in all the wrong places when it comes to the interior. A button can't cost that much right? 50 cents?

[@krane15]

The "issue" is that these are simple issue no car manufactures should be getting wrong e.g. bad cup holders? No sunglasses storage, "engine cover" issues? With all the technology on new cars today VW is getting the mos basic analogue features wrong? Really? That's just total and unmitigated incompetence.

[@nousernames444]

@@krane15I think there was a changing of the guard. The older engineers were probably overruled by younger designers

[@Michael_Ruiter]

Yup, the Mk8 is unfortunately a common plague of modern cars all around with overdone tech that’s wayyy too complicated and no analog anything anymore. I have a Mk7 GTI and I could never see myself getting a Mk8 because being analog is such an important factor for me. It’s not just vw, all manufacturers seem to be overdoing and over complicating tech. I’m a mechanic so I have to figure out this new stuff all the time

[@stimproid]

Haptics and lack of physical buttons for basic functions.

[@krane15]

One word: T E S L A.

[@rinodoog]

Very easy to use…. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@ligma9260]

@@rinodoog knobs are even easier to use. You don’t even have to look at them. It’s all muscle memory. It’s ironic how texting while driving is illegal, yet all new cars have a giant phone in the center console.

[@fitz2589]

GTIs should max out at $30k and R’s should be $40k max. These things are ungodly overpriced, and no real buttons are the absolute worst.

[@muznick]

Those days were both short-lived and long gone.

[@acefighterpilot]

With the loss of the manual gearbox, it's a little sad to think that the best Golf R was already sold.

[@peter-pg5yc]

I live in ca traffic is nuts.

[@ghostofakina8747]

@@peter-pg5yc The problem is CA, not manual gearboxes.

[@aluminumfalcon552]

Across the board, not just VW, not just cars, technology has gone too far. It’s time to back it up about a decade and stay there.

[@dudley7540]

Tech for the sake of tech. Hey, look what we can do!

[@aluminumfalcon552]

@@dudley7540 meanwhile we are thinking “hey, look what you can don’t”

[@burner0821]

We're gonna sound like such boomers to kids of the future

[@krane15]

So counter technology? I don't think that's going to happen.

[@jakethedetailsnake]

Toyota is staying in the decade behind game

[@Ghostblaze1]

Because they botched interior finish quality and topped it off with terrible ergonomics with touch hvac controls.

[@Wooden_Hammer]

Then raise the price by $10k

[@lindsay9697]

I was super skeptical at the start but after a few weeks it’s no different to operating a phone. Comes second nature.

[@Flysh24]

@@lindsay9697this. The people who complain about it haven’t used it for more than 5 min.

[@lindsay9697]

@@Flysh24 absolutely correct.

[@TheMhayden123]

The interior feels just fine, feels like a $40k to me 🤷‍♂️

[@ihavealife002]

I went through chick-fil-a the other day in my MK6 R and they wrote down that it was a crossover. So I would take SUV as a compliment.

[@HumbleMechanic]

HAHAHAHAH

[@iSnipeRaidMax]

I play that game with my mk4. Toss up on "crossover" or "suv". I've also seen sedan a couple times. My mk6 is usually SUV :(

[@moistboy64]

used to work at CFA, they don't have hatchback in their system 😭

[@homer23422000]

The haptic only buttons isn't a good move, but it will really be bad for the 3rd+ owner at 6+ years old when they start acting up.

[@filip000]

It's not even a problem for reliability's sake. The problem is that you can't literally do ANYTHING while driving, without removing your eyes off the road. In my 370z; while driving, I can effortlessly touch and feel exactly where the buttons are for adjusting volume, station, heating, climate, ventilation, seat heating, seat adjustment, mirror adjustment. Everything, without taking my eyes off the road. Not that I need to do those things constantly...but the mere fact that YOU CAN'T do it in these new cars is morbid. We recognize the hazard of texting while driving, using mobile phones while driving - while at the same time, we completely ignore the fact that people fiddle and play around on the screen in their car to do a basic thing such as OPEN THE GLOVE COMPARTMENT (fckn tesla).

[@krane15]

Tesla bots: I don't see the problem? Are VW buyers too old to know how to push buttons?

[@escos0410]

use the info system how they intended you too with your voice anyhow it’s a small price when you compare the 7.5 in the performance stakes Iv not had one mk7.5 R or gti owner come close to our mk8 gti CS even a TCR doesn’t pip it (I came from a 7.5 R too)

[@mitchhedberg4415]

@@escos0410 Maybe you can talk over a wimpy factory radio....

[@eppyz]

I think there are a few reasons. 1. The Toyota GR Corolla exists. 2. Honda Civic type R exists. 3. VW can't make a water pump that won't leak. 4. VW brand reputation of being unreliable really hurts the brand. After owning 2 GTI's a MK6 i bought new in 2013 and currently driving a MK7.5 GTI S i just prefer my car inside and out over the new car. So the people that are willing to put up with Volkswagen quirks aren't willing to trade their current cars for new ones.

[@r32guy10]

I love my mk6 and mk4 r32. Wish toyota would bring the GR yaris state side.

[@DontDrinkTheFlavorAid]

The GR Corolla isn't much to look at. It honestly looks like something someone with a 580 FICO would buy around tax season via that earned income credit

[@paulherbert5548]

The water pump is sacrilege. How many generations of Golf has this effected? Two, Three?

[@eppyz]

All EA888 for sure of all generations@paulherbert5548

[@oradaz]

After a warranty WP on my 19 at 36k it was definitely part of the equation of selling at ~62k. If the interior was simply retained from the 7.5 I'd have a mk8 instead of the GRC I own now. FWIW I'd gladly trade that sunroof for some plastic buttons

[@jessestevenson8041]

I must be in the minority because I love my MK8 GTI (2023 40th Anniversary Edition). I do have the infotainment with the knobs but I really don’t use them. I was a little nervous about no manual controls for HVAC but I haven’t had any issues so far and I just set it to AUTO at like 65-70 degrees and let it do its thing. I don’t accidentally trigger any buttons on the steering wheel and the I’m used to the shiny black plastic by now, if it gets scratched up I’ll wrap those pieces with vinyl. My previous VW was a Kerma tuned Golf TDI which was fantastic in its own right, but definitely showing its age on the inside after 12 years of use. I test drove a couple lightly used MK7.5’s before finding my MK8 new and the MK8 won. I guess I’m just the odd man out.

[@russellvoth5161]

Thanks for all the little issues , just waiting for my Kings Red 24 GTI arriving in August . It has plenty of power for city and hwy driving plus verry good mileage. NowI have a shopping list of parts to order for mine. Thanks for your informative videos and Love that blue on your R.

[@pkt1213]

I don't understand VAGs war on buttons. I can't touch my phone while driving, but it's cool to strap a massive table to the dash and scroll 3 menus to get my heated seats on.

[@dirkdesouza5975]

Great review, but I got a ‘23 anniversary edition and I absolutely love it!!! Sure the no button thing had to get some “getting used to” now it’s basically set and forget. As a daily it’s very good, and a “b” road carver it’s excellent, as a track day fun toy, bet you it will get to your limits before you get to its limits. All in all, my first Vee Dub and I’m impressed.

[@CubanRider]

Great video, very thorough. The main problem with the Mk8 is that the Mk7 was near damn perfect and they changed it a lot, and not for the better. We sold our '22 GTI prematurely and briefly considered a new Golf R, but the local TX dealer wanted $71k 😆 We ended up with a M240i which is good, but we miss our VWs.

[@HumbleMechanic]

71k HELL NO!!!!

[@DontDrinkTheFlavorAid]

Isn't that like Audi RS3 money

[@phillxor]

@@DontDrinkTheFlavorAidnot it the RS3 is also marked up 😂

[@gregoryneal2852]

@@phillxortrue

[@stevenmcmaster]

nothing wrong with a m240. i feel BMW is still 'that' car for enthusiasts. #drivingexperience

[@jasonm456]

Still loving my 7.5 R and this makes me feel even better

[@miika-williammadjar]

This channel has been my go to channel for VW Golf MK8 stuff. I actually ordered mine in the summer of 2021 and got it in the summer of 2022 (through multiple delays and chip shortages in the EU) Even though it’s a regular one and an estate, still the best place to learn stuff about my car. Thank You @HumbleMechanic for being as awesome as you are! 🙌🏼 Greetings from Estonia! 🇪🇪

[@RadostinVelchev]

It is a great car but the monobrow styling in the front puts a lot of people off.

[@PAC0TAC0]

The biggest thing I hated about my Mk8 GTI was the fob, whoever though it was a good idea to not recess the panic button, but have all the other buttons recessed is a nut... I was constantly accidently pressing the panic button with the key in my pocket, while driving, getting in and out of the car...

[@HumbleMechanic]

Oh same!!! I had it go off while I was driving

[@darthnatas953]

Yep, mine went off two days ago. How can they not test things like this?

[@slags83]

Yeah, if you have the key in your pocket, it will get stuck between your leg and the bolster and trigger the alarm.

[@mitchhedberg4415]

I put a piece of tape over my panic button

[@AJRestoration]

I am still stuck with my MK6 and I will probably not upgrade anytime soon. Everything after the mk6 to me feels like meh. I am really happy with my MK6.

[@jakwadd]

Same here for me. Mk5 enjoyer here and all I’m keen to do is mk6 steering wheel and maybe dash swap in the future (owned 5+ years so fancy a slight uodate). Perfect era of golf’s imo! Do love the 7.5 Rs but the MK8 just doesn’t excite me 😂

[@prawnstar502]

mk6 is ugly

[@bagofsunshine3916]

The MK7.5 is a hefty upgrade from the MK6

[@vr6gls]

MK7/ MK7.5 is leaps and bounds better than the MK6.

[@1alexnewman]

I picked up a 2024 GTI 380 SE a couple months and so far it’s been an absolute blast to drive and own like he said. I have actually got the rear end to come out on multiple occasions! A couple gripes I have were included in this video like the infotainment system is slow to boot and overall is a melancholy experience. I could complain about it for hours, but to me this car is about driving. One of the gripes with driving is the shifter is not that great for a 40k hot hatch. The first 600 miles its was very hard to shift into gears before break-in and only about mile 600-2000 did the shifter feel okay. But now at 6k miles it feels sloppy and sluggish and it’ll make me miss shifts because Im not trying to force it into gear. Definitely going to upgrade the linkages/bushings soon. I put an APR Stage 1 tune on the car at 1500 miles and never looked back. Smoothed out the cars power band in every mode (including twitchy sport) and added a significant amount of healthy power. It pulls hard all the way to redline and peak torque at 2000rpms kicks you in the seat! I added a CTS intake for more turbo sound and I plan to add lowering springs soon as well as the clubsport muffler. If only this car wasn’t so ******* expensive. I remember when a brand new E-class started at 40k…

[@jonkR96]

Boomba shift knob and quick shift kit works wonders. Easy install too!

[@nathanjones4039]

Not to mention us DSG owners that have to kill auto/start-stop every time we start the car, and it’s also in the infotainment menu, no physical button. Yes, it can be flashed off permanently, but already have a passive/aggressive relationship with the dealer, rather not make it even more complicated.

[@diarx1]

Would the stop start being on at startup possibly be to newer Euro regulations or something? Have been in a few newer Euro cars and they all seem to behave this way.

[@_brrr]

@@diarx1 yes. the emissions testers will not reconfigure the car at all, so OEMs make sure the most compliant settings are present at ignition.

[@paulherbert5548]

that in itself would drive me crazy.

[@kevinc7632]

They sell a module that plugs in the button that automatically pushes the button. No flashing needed.

[@paulkillick3419]

I’ve fitted an inline module to the stop start switch and no longer have to worry. It only cost a few quid too 👍

[@parsonator529]

My MK8 was a blast to drive, but the infotainment just ruined it. 6 months of ownership and I never got used to it. Every time I got into the car, I thought "not this shit again." So I traded it for a MK7.5, and haven't once regretted that decision.

[@paulherbert5548]

Yep. You stepped up to a Mk7.5!

[@ericcarson342]

Damn. I have was thinking of trading in my 7.5 R for 24' R that comes with Prets or wait for an 8.5 R. And then this video comes up. I don't know now if I should trade in.

[@parsonator529]

@@ericcarson342 You should test drive one. If the UI makes you go "holy crap I hate this," then walk away because I don't think you'll get used to it. If your reaction is more like "this is strange, but I don't mind it," then I think you might well get used to it eventually.

[@LoveLikeaHurricane]

Believe it or not, I have kind of the same feeling about my Fk8 Type R. I can’t truly get used to the modern Big size vehicle and also all that non sense with the infotainment. Thankfully it isn’t too crazy with multiple settings like the Golf Gti/R. I haven’t driven the GR Corolla or 86, but I feel they at least are doing it right with being simple and 90’s 2000 feel

[@zactidwell77]

That's an unreal comment. I only use one or two pushes to change the AC or mode. I've never interacted with the screen other than those two things. Are you playing video games on it or something? I would think someone must be kinda simple-minded or electronics illiterate to find such a simple system a bother.

[@Seelingfahne]

The Dieselgate bills were also piling up at this point in VW history. For me, it was the different plastics between the front and rear door panels that tipped me off

[@MetalJesusRocks]

I have a 2022 as well and got the travel assist problem. New steering wheel later and fixed. I also had a problem with wireless apple CarPlay…and replacement of the WiFi unit and that’s fixed too. Other than that, I’ve really enjoyed the car a lot.

[@mnypit]

Have a Mk7.5 GTI and have zero interest in the MK8. I think it looks fat/bulky and kind unattractive. The interior/cockpit treatment just makes it worse, no buttons and putting everything behind a screen that’s slow and laggy. 🤦‍♂️ The cost is still about $7-10k more than it should be…count me out and probably will be switching brand when it’s time to unload the MK7.5

[@escos0410]

I really wish you guys over the pond got the mk8 gti cs

[@TheEyeball3000]

Starting the video strong with a clip from Charles' acceptance speech at the Playa Haters' Ball 😂

[@derekfriday7931]

Hate hate hate hate

[@alfredodiodati208]

I drive a MK7.5 GTI. Stock for stock, the MK8 is unquestionably a better car to drive. It feels tighter, it's quieter and it's noticeably quicker. I love my Clark plaid, but I do find both the cloth and leather chairs in the MK8 to be comfier. But... the MK8 interior overall feels a bit cheap. The screens are sharp and the touch controls really aren't that bad, but climbing back into my 7.5 after sitting in a MK8, the older car has a certain "rightness" about it that's hard to quantify. The MK8 is good enough that I've seriously considered trading in to get one, but the MK7 is just that much better (to me) that I can never quite go through with it.

[@Gonin60]

I have an MK8. I unlike most love the tech! A light up bar at night is the only thing I wished it had for the slider.

[@darthnatas953]

I have had a new 2024 GTI for about 4 months now, after having had a Mk7, and many other cars, including several Porsches. Dynamically, the new GTI is excellent. Nothing else has that perfect suspension blend of not too firm, not to soft, but just right for spirited street driving. The car is comfortable, quiet, has a decent motor, great brakes, good handling, excellent suspension, a great size, and practical with 4 seats. Of course the mk7 sport had the perfect interior, with 3 simple knobs for climate, real gauges, and a real parking brake. On the Mk8, those stering wheel touch things are garbage, but I don't touch them too much. The center screen is annoying, but mostly fine. The hill hold is the worst thing about the car. They should issue a recall on it, it is that bad.

[@_brrr]

Despite actually owning and living with a mk8 I think I've thought about the touch screen less than any reviewer who has only had it for a week. Also, shoutout to a fellow that has set all the lights to purple, the objectively best color.

[@thrimbor6174]

Glossy black paint and touchscreens. You can tell the people designing the interior have never driven a car.

[@peterroberts4753]

Brilliant review and very fair to the car especially after all the software updates. Just wish it did not have a opf and sounded a bitter better from stock.

[@kennethhealy1629]

Thanks Charles - great summing up (as usual). I can get used to pretty much anything as long as I have a good driving experience. What I cant forgive is a boring color palette and dealer rip-offs (I mean "mark ups"). I was fortunate that my local dealer wasnt attaching a mark-up when I bought my Spektrum but I am certain that when the 8.5's come around he will go for the gusto - cuz, you know, GREED is the in thing

[@bryce850]

I was unsure of the mk8 till I seen one in person, then I drove one and the pros outweigh cons imo. The seats are much better than the 7.5 as is the streering wheel, I got over the haptics in a couple of hours due to how good the car drives. I also enjoy the way the interior looks in comparison. Is it perfect nope, but I think its a improvement in all the areas that are most important to me.

[@bshwayde]

My wife’s ‘22 Tiguan is now on its third haptic button steering wheel. Travel assist error was the reason for the first replacement and probably why it was originally traded in at a gmc dealer. Originally the steering wheels were back ordered for over a year which given the incessant travel assist error I can under why someone would dump a one year old car at a gm dealer. The second replacement was due to faulty steering wheel heating. It just comes on at random and immediately at startup even in 100 degree temps. Really just a failure of engineering and execution on vw’s part. And the egregious omission of illuminated controls on the head unit for volume and climate still continues in the 2024 atlas. Really a head scratcher they’d continue to push out such garbage knowing that everyone hates it. I’ve owned something like 10 VAG vehicles over the years but these last few years of poor design and execution really make me wonder about them.

[@PerformanceProjects]

I love mine. I never had a MK7 but had a 6 GTI, 6 R and 4 GTI and they were all great. I wanted a GR Corolla but after test driving it, feeling how unapologetically rental car the interior is and a 10k ADM, I walked on it . Found a MK8 GTI 40th the next day for MSRP, drove it and realized how I love VW and drove it home. It took just a couple days to get used to the interior functions and I love them now. Crazy thing is my 24 Rav4 Hybrid has a way worse functioning infotainment and a much cheaper interior (and for much more money spent.).

[@rbx4487]

Happy with mine so far! Got it in april. In Canada less than MSRP as well. My only gripe is having to shut off auto start and front assist every damn time

[@user-se8lu5qy6c]

We have a 2023 Golf R, and we love it. Like you said in your video, it has multiple personalities that are tailored for ours on different days simply by flicking a switch.

[@aidonis98]

I test drove it on launch, and hit the r drive mode button twice on accident during the test drive (It's right where I have my thumb). That was that for me. The 8.5 is supposedly December, with the triumphant return of actual buttons. We will see how that goes, as this will likely be the last ICE Golf R.

[@HumbleMechanic]

Not for the R. The R will have haptic still. Allegedly anyway

[@hovan2yourjunk]

I wonder if the GTI buttons can be retrofitted. I’m sure DAP will come up with something

[@MishtahPoog]

Yes, like Charles mentioned, the 8.5 Golf R will be haptic-controls only. According to VW, they've modified the sensitivity of the controls on the periphery of the wheel so it's very hard to accidentally activate them.

[@MishtahPoog]

@@hovan2yourjunk If I would ever buy a Mk. 8 with a haptic wheel, the first thing I'd do is see if they could swap the steering wheel for the one with buttons. There's no way it wouldn't work -- not only did VW already have a version of the wheel with buttons on lower trim levels of the same exact car, but just in the name of cost-cutting and inter-platform efficiency I'm sure the wheels are probably plug-and-play.

[@highmolecularweightRDX]

@@HumbleMechanic With the sensitivity "improvements", how will the haptics compare to real buttons?

[@miketeeveedub5779]

My Mk1 Jetta GLi coupe laughs at your haptic steering wheel and dodgy infotainment center. But cup holders and a hood strut would be nice...along with all-wheel drive, AC, and a turbo. Oh, and sunglasses holder too! 😄 All joking aside it's a technological wonder, but sadly it isn't made to last. I doubt these will last 40 years like my Mk1, but you'll have fun for a time. Always enjoy your videos Charles - cheers!

[@raptor_boss6402]

I must have a lucky one. After 46,000 miles in my 22 GTI SE after almost two years now I still do not regret it to this day. Only issues I had was the steering wheel, door speakers, and a broken gas door flap from running through a car wash and a puncture in the OEM Goodyear tires. That’s it. I never complained about the haptic buttons or infotainment. In fact I quite liked it. It was something different than what every other manufacturer is doing. I always like to say…remember when we had buttons on our phones? Apple or Android? Look at where we are now and almost everyone has one without buttons. In conclusion I enjoy every minute of my GTI and plan to keep it as long as I possibly can. Hopefully forever so that way I can pass it down one day.

[@AdiusOmega]

I love my MK8 and I love the infotainment and steering wheel controls. Once you "get it" it's super easy to control in my opinion. There are things that I dislike though like every car.

[@user-oj4sk7rp1u]

Just picked uo my 2024 GTI mk8. no bugs and everything works. never buy the first year so wait till 2026!

[@davidgrenon4384]

Yeah you right have 2024 work like a charm, stay away of the first year model or first edition shi.....😊

[@leospaceman2976]

Good call out to the hill assist in the 6spd! It’s too aggressive and sucks until you get the hang of it.

[@Daeyx]

I passed on the MK8 after seeing the interior and haptics and changed brand entirely. I had a Mk6 GTI, MK6 R, and finally a Mk 7.5 R, finally sold it 3 months ago and bought a Lexus IS500. Other than missing the manual and dealing with a slower (albeit extremely reliable) transmission. It was the best decision I made. No more rattly interiors and nothing but V8 goodness.

[@JacesOwnWorld]

And $80+ dollar fill-ups to get 15mpg’s 🤣

[@Daeyx]

@@JacesOwnWorld nah, 18 city 28 highway, not much worse then my mk 7.5.

[@4ampaul]

@@Daeyxnot to mention the IS500 will actually hold value

[@ivanjovanovic362]

Yeah bro no shit, that's completely different car and class and everything. How do you compare those two like wtf is your point? 😂

[@Daeyx]

@@ivanjovanovic362 it’s not that much of a stretch, Golf Rs in Canada are 60k now, I bought my 7.5 for 45K in 2019. The problem is the MK8 is in a class of car it has no business being in for its price.

[@TH3L3G3ND]

I HATE the video ended so soon but i really LOVED it too thanks for the video, Charles!

[@Denileism]

Had an mk8 for almost 10k miles now. The buttons on the wheel are honestly completely fine. I prefer them, works just like a phone, never accidentally touch them. The buttons for AC can definitely be annoying sometimes but you get use to it after like a week tops. Otherwise no complaints, the car is awesome and fun.

[@HumbleMechanic]

Yep. Super fun car! Even with the quarks of the UI, you learn ways to work the system.

[@spinnetti]

I don't love the front end, and hate the infotainment. Feels like the MK7.5 was the last good one, and with the death of the manual next year, looks like the end of a lifelong relationship with the brand for me.

[@tomhunter91]

RIP the manual transmission

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

I'm tired of shifting anyway, but sucks for people who love to be on and off the clutch 200 times in a traffic jam.

[@laalaa99stl]

On the bright side, this is the car that made VW rethink the whole lack of tactile buttons concept.

[@nikolaibonnkarovsky6621]

They're still on the '25 R, I.D.4, Jetta, etc. Nothing has been re-thought because it's good as-is :p

[@kain0m]

​@@nikolaibonnkarovsky6621 no they stated in interviews that they heard the feedback that people have the capacitive buttons. It's just not something that you change over night...

[@Bob_Smith19]

@@nikolaibonnkarovsky6621it takes years for changes to make it to production. They are going to bring back buttons for commonly used features.

[@fredericfortin]

Thanks for the video Charles ! Any chance a future video on Torque vectoring diff maintenance before you sell it? I love my mk8 R :)

[@HumbleMechanic]

Yes. I have all the stuff for it.

[@jeanjeanmich]

Removing the strut from the engine bay was enough for me to skip vw from now on. If they skimp on a hood support, that was there on the prior model, what else they cheapin' on?

[@DavidBalko]

I was frustrated with the new seat and it's integrated headrest. One of my "hacks" for tracking the Mk7 was put the headrest in backwards, so it gave more space for a helment. Can't do that with the Mk8.

[@HumbleMechanic]

That’s for sure a real issue. I’m short so it’s not for me. But 100% can see how it’s an isssue

[@vinayarora5918]

Oohhhhhh next track day i am doing this!!! Thanks

[@youareinflames]

don't take passengers on a longer trips due to clusterphobic they might throw up on your back seat, especially kids

[@danielmoore9950]

Because it's not the MK7.5. I didn't say it's a good reason, but it's THE reason (the MK7 styling is better though).

[@HumbleMechanic]

HAHAAH the MK7.5 has really become one of the most loved GTI/R. I dont disagree, it's awesome.

[@MyShadowblue]

This explains why I kept looking at Rs and none of them had engine covers! Ended up with an S3 when it came down to it.

[@jaskamoh7255]

Just got an engine cover last week for my 2023 GTI under VW service notice.

[@tommdschohns8718]

The Mk8 flaws were even more significant since the 7.5 was almost perfect. But it wasn't the first time vw effed something up that was really good before.

[@MrAudi220]

Why i hate it is because it's only 5doors , 3doors is no longer available and it looks more and more like a lowered suv.

[@Malc2169]

Got it bang on - I’ve had my Mk8 for 18 months. To begin with I wanted my old car back, but once I got used to its new tech, I actually quite like it!

[@MarylandCarGuy]

As a driving instructor, my student on skidpad had one of these and I was ultimately impressed how such an inexperienced driver ended up looking so good sideways on a wet circular SkidPad. Just seeing this car sideways and watching the driver able ble to straighten the car back out was very impressive.

[@Zanone_]

Mk7.5 golf R is peak

[@jcsrst]

I bought a MK 7 to avoid the MK 8.

[@jasont42]

You hit the nail right on the head. I love my 24 GTI but those are definitely things that annoy me. Especially the dash temperature and volume controls not being illuminated. You can’t see them at night. My Road Sign Display has been acting up lately. The haptic buttons are okay but are a little too sensitive at times.

[@du3lcitiz3n]

I'm loving mine, coming from a MK7 GTI DSG to an MK8 R Manual... my only complaint is the fact it isn't offered with a 2 door. I've done a bunch of mods... and absolutely adore the car.

[@matheusbaziulis3868]

I own a 2023 40th AE GTI manual and honestly I have no complaints. I really like the Haptics buttons and midia center.

[@codypanek]

Mk8 tip… if you tap both cold & hot hvac buttons for your side on the center console you turns on & cycle through the seat heater seatings without having to go to the climate control menu. My 8 year old taught me as I was taking her to school 😂

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

Or they could just put a damn button on the console like EVERYONE else.

[@Flysh24]

Shiiiiit what

[@The1sunnydmusic]

sweet thanks for this. Ive been looking at R's for a bit and was cautious of all the digital side of the R models. Glad to hear the issues have been solved. Also ive been finidng a bunch of R's now selling for under MSRP.

[@HumbleMechanic]

you can buy mine HAHAH! The car overall has been so much fun

[@The1sunnydmusic]

@@HumbleMechanic lol I'll go through all the videos of you mk8 and decide from there!

[@rob5631]

Just curious, how many trips to the dealership did you have to make for this car compared to your Mk 7.5? I despise going to the dealership and will avoid going there as much as possible. (I have trust issues, I know). I am personally glad that I bought one of the last Mk 7.5 R's and have zero regrets not waiting for the Mk 8. I plan for this R to be my final new car purchase (hoping to retire in 4 years) and I really don't think that I could be happier unless I moved into an RS3 which is financially out of the question. As always, love your content and can't wait to see what your next project is.

[@Brandon_Brown]

I test drove a Golf R and ended up getting a Veloster N if that tells you anything 😂😂

[@DontDrinkTheFlavorAid]

So 580 FICO, ankle monitor and back child support?

[@ytth83]

These stupid touchscreens! We need buttons with solid tactile feedback!

[@davisdesigns1153]

Golf 7.5 was perfection

[@peter-pg5yc]

Had the original gti 1982, vr6 golf fast but oversteer, vr6 corrado great cat but shifter, . That vr6 motor was fun.

[@jabuvduvatel]

I hate it bc its ugliest golf vw ever made

[@HumbleMechanic]

Wait its not a MK5 :p

[@jabuvduvatel]

@@HumbleMechanic bro, mk5 so sweet ❤❤❤

[@RaceCarFriends]

Great video everything you said was valid and real, also cool Chapelle Show intro lol.

[@draneldavid4472]

You’re awesome Charles. We need more MK8 vids on YT!

[@draneldavid4472]

Let’s go 3pedal gang gang and coverless engines gang gang lol.

[@verde629]

Great Vid! What are your opinions on the new Mk8.5 I personally think it looks amazing

[@66rollincoal]

I very much like the looks of the mk8's and that liquimoly graphics on yours just looks so good.

[@chrisking6740]

Very similar situation playing out with the new Tacoma. It will have a few growing pains but in the end I think will be a fantastic truck loved by most.

[@Wolfpounder]

NO NO NO, don't sell this. I'm pretty sure VW mentioned that the 8.5 will not have a manual. Performance cars should ONLY have a manual. Keep this sentiment alive. This is the way.

[@oradaz]

1. I wish they'd have used the plastic for some buttons rather than a thermostat housing 2. Why cost cut UI and mandate a sunroof🤢 NEIN

[@waynemurphy4288]

Got my car around the same time. And I absolutely love my golf R. Looking at the 8.5 im tempted to make the jump, but with the new law coming into effect on the 7th of july in the uk and europe. Im not too sure how restrictive the new ISA system will be.

[@Fk8_Theory]

My son just bought a mk8 gti. Such a great car. Impressed thoroughly and is beginning to convert me from jdm to euro

[@JeffreyNishimura]

Took delivery Feb 2022. Heard all of the complaints and comments pre-delivery. Safe to say I have not had all of the problems others had to put up with. Love the car. It's a blast to drive and own. Got used to the haptics and submenu stuff. Had a 76 Scirocco, 84 and 2011 GTI and they were all wonderful cars, but this is the best.

[@nicolastremblay7527]

I tried the other day an mk8 GTI and I have to say its a nice beautiful car. One thing that I really hated is the rev hang. On the manual transmission you are forced to granny shift to make it smooth. You try to beat it and the rev takes forever to go down while you change gear. For a sports car, I think that's something that should've been looked at.

[@spdandpwr]

The biggest flaw are the driver's assist functions. The car slams on the brakes on the highway if you get too close to traffic when you need to make a maneuver. To get around this, you need turn off all the driver's assist functions when you start. And, there are dealers in NJ that are still charging markup.

[@UndermobzRec]

The looks grew on me and it looks really awesome with a wide bodykit. If im going for a later golf i would pick a 3door mk7 or a mk8. Budget(and personal choice) go more towards a mk4

[@davidsawyer1599]

Thanks for your observations. I enjoy watching your presentations. The slowness of the technology is more than likely related to the vendor or vendors VW gets to choose from. Unfortunately, VW, like the rest of us, is captive to choosing from blah to awful. Engine covers. Isn't the job of the engine cover to hold heat in? That's great for first start up in cool to cold weather. After that, not so much. My wild guess is that the engine actually performs better without it. Have a great day, Charles!

[@MrTurboFour]

I don't hate you and your content! Keep up all the great work!

[@OhCorny]

Love the Dave intro

[@andrewwalkowiak563]

Now for what I really want to say is as a previous owner of a new 89 GTi 16v, 93 Corrado, 92 Cabriolet, early 99 Jetta GLX, 2002 A4 3.0, 2011 S4, 2013 TTRS all manual transmission cars. My MK8 R manual is as good as and in someways better than my S4 and TTRS. I loved my TTRS, sorry it’s gone, but the R is pretty darn close and again some ways better. I had 22 R and traded it for a 24 R; something extra special with the last year of the manual. In my opinion, the 24 is a much better build quality than my 22. Do I think more buttons would be better, yes, however, the infotainment screen is pretty easy once you own the car for a while. I look forward to every time I get behind the wheel. For the 30 year olds who haven’t reach a financial status to buy a new R, that’s why there are used cars. You can buy a new GLI decked out for low 30s and a GTi s. The Golf R has always been a premium. Peace!

[@dksaevs]

I HAVE A 22 mk8 and my biggest complaint is BLxxxx401 STILL LOCKED. Your review is spot on.

[@Xenon0000000000001]

This makes me glad that we get the Mercedes A35 hatchback in the UK, and for a similar price to the Golf R. It's not perfect, the interior isn't exactly solidly put together, but it works really well with all the physical buttons you need and still one of the best infotainment systems around. Mine's 5 years old now, and when I look at what's out there, there's nothing that really seems like an improvement over what I've got (without spending silly money).

[@t0eknee959]

Lotta people have reported that software updates to the larger screen make it snappier. I have the smaller screen in my 40AE and it’s okay but occasionally does freeze and reboot. I’ve also heard there’s an update for it too

[@themarvel2004]

At least you could option a manual - here in Australia we're stuck with dsg only for Mk8 😢

[@oreostastegoods]

That outro was fantastic

[@scotty88lp]

40k miles on my gti s model...great gas mileage, awesome fun on back roads, and all my buttons work flawlessly....i really like mine... paid 31k otd....and the last manual trans as well.

[@wnturck]

I certainly don’t hate mine. Simply wonderful to drive. Controls are easy and not an issue! Have owned 4 of the 8 versions of the GTI.