Waialae Country Club & Super Baseball Simulator 1.000: Sporting chance | Super NES Works

A pair of bog-standard sports titles awaits us as the Super NES library makes the transition from November to December 1991. We've already seen takes on these sports (golf and baseball) in very similar formats. What do T&E Soft and Culture Brain have to offer that HAL and Jaleco didn't? If anything!?

[@shaneharrison6770]

My favorite thing about T&E Soft golf games is that they eventually used their same engine to make Virtual Hydlide, a non-golf RPG, on Saturn.

[@1squeamishneophyte]

Wow, that answers so many questions I had about why that game was so bizarre.

[@jacobharvey2946]

While I too can see how Super Baseball Simulator 1.000 might not have aged well, it was different enough back then to grab the attention of me. My cousin and I played the hell out of that game as kids. I can't even count how many seasons we played, customizing teams and what not. We'd alternate innings and beat the heck out of the computer. =)

[@SwowChowsk]

I cannot get enough of your videos! Thoroughly enjoy them all

[@mymangodfrey]

Waiting for the moment when Jeremy compares Waialae Country Club to Heiankyo Alien

[@mattsephton]

Is Heiankyo Alien well known outside of Japan?

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

@@mattsephton Certainly is on this channel.

[@vix_in_japan]

Nah has much more in common with Xevious… 😂

[@beanthegene]

You neglected to mention a major part about Super Baseball Simulator 1.000: The ability to edit the team's player names and their individual stats. Doing so let you create real life representations of MLB teams and simulate entire seasons with them. Me and my friends got so much mileage out of this game as kids. The control and speed of the game was really solid too. Its one of my favorite SNES titles, and I feel you may have missed the mark a bit on this one. Still love your work on this series though, keep it up!

[@Octopuswithcorn]

T&E Soft also made Wicked 18. Which is probably the greatest name of any golf game.

[@mattsephton]

In Japan it was called Devil's Course - also very cool

[@growtacoma8954]

Played the hell out of Waialae back in the day, it still holds up. It was prob the best SNES golf game overall. The HAL game had the cheap overhead perspective, Waialae was just so, so much better. Also, those bird SFX

[@jasonblalock4429]

Such a shame about the SNES's weak processor, though. It was so slow to draw anything! I can't imagine having the patience to play a full round while watching the SNES wheeze trying to do something as simple as lay a grid across the green.

[@growtacoma8954]

Jason Blalock you think that’s slow... try waiting for Chrono Trigger to come out on Genesis 💀

[@jasonblalock4429]

But WHY would you be waiting for that? Square never released games on Sega consoles. Like... ever.

[@mattsephton]

Oh! Happily surprised to see a video I captured of Eight Lakes GC in there. Woop!

[@Humbird00]

When I was a kid, my friends and I actually enjoyed Baseball Simulator 1000 quite a bit. For us, seeing the cool powers was the entire point of playing. Winning the game was secondary. We eventually got into actually playing, but the powers were still the main reason for playing. Just hearing that music is super nostalgic for me. But I have to admit that you made a very good point about the CPU being way too good at knowing exactly where fly-balls will land. As for that golf game, it's actually kind of impressive that it's fully rendering the course in actual 3D. It's not exactly real-time. But the clever part is that is doesn't have to be... because it's golf.

[@harney-barrow2036]

I always found both of the SNES True Golf Classics games to be oddly pleasant in terms of aesthetic appeal. It's like an equally slow, somewhat near cousin of Star Fox's untextured polygons but with more extremely crushed, low-res sprite images

[@SoftwareAgentsTV]

1:31 I like the T&E Soft golf games on Super Famicom. Very relaxing.

[@gabrieleriva651]

I'm a baseball fan living in Europe. You can imagine how difficult was/is to find decent videogames. Well, around 1995 I found an american copy of this game in my local videogames shop, and my loving grandpa bought the game AND the adaptor to play it on my PAL Snes. That would become my only baseball videogame until the Xbox 360. I've played THE SHIT out of it.

[@AvalancheRX_]

I love Super Baseball Simulator 1.000! One of my favorite games from my childhood.

[@hemangchauhan2864]

I like seeing such complex Simulators packed in a small cartridge.

[@matthayden4]

"There's never any visual indication where a pop fly will land." Incorrect, sir - there's a ball-shaped shadow that lets you know where to stand to catch it.

[@DanielBurapavong]

OK. I can honestly say I never expected to see footage of Jordan Spieth in one of Jeremy's videos.

[@tharkius]

In my head, the next episode teasers for these always ends with "service service!"

[@meh6722]

YES! An SNES one. Thanks for the new video!

[@gornway]

I would hit the ball all over the place to explore the 3d spaces when i was a kid but I sure didnt want to play golf.

[@Neverhoodian]

I did the same thing with golf games. One time I hit the ball so far out of bounds in Links 386 Pro for DOS that I crashed the game. I just wanted to explore the skybox :(

[@darktetsuya]

I remember being in a mom and pop rental place... and somehow they had the Japanese N64 version of the golf game for rent! I never did rent it because a) no idea if it would have worked on my N64 and b) golf games aren't really my thing) but just an amusing story, really. :P and maybe my experience with Baseball Simulator 1.000 was different but I at least remember the NES version being fun... this SNES one doesn't seem drastically different from it aside from the audiovisual upgrade, but I mean if you're playing this you may as well pick two of the 'super' teams and just go bananas with the super powers, right?! I do wish more games these days did that with the crazy pitches and whatnot, but what can ya do.

[@darktetsuya]

oh thanks for the info! I'd assume something like a Gameshark or one of those devices could get around the lockout in a similar fashion to the SNES/SFC and those tabs? Granted I wouldn't have cared enough for a Golf game like that anyway, but maybe one of these days I'll pick up something I do like.

[@mavrick45]

Baseball games were .... not great....until Tony La Russa's Ultimate Baseball in 1991. up to that point you really had no clue where the ball was going to land in the outfield. after that, baseball games became really fun!

[@rabiroden]

It's kind of interesting that, given the extreme glut of baseball games released in the 8 and 16-bit era, there's virtually none being released today, even in Japan.

[@kyleolson8977]

I don't think you get Super Baseball Simulator 1.000. While it was showing it's age, and might be a bit of a letdown as a followup to the Baseball Simulator 1.000, it has the ability to simulate seasons of various lengths and team editing options other games at the time didn't have.

[@matthayden4]

Agreed. And for season play, it kept an exhaustive list of every stat imaginable for batters and pitchers, too, which I loved as a stathead.

[@kara-knight3364]

I used a Walilele cart for a repro project once. Maybe I should have used more Super Football Pros instead.

[@cinnamonnoir2487]

"In terms of mechanics, of course, it's all pretty much par for the course, as the kids say." Kids make golf puns? Huh. I always thought it was only syndicated cartoonists who made golf puns.

[@CarozQH]

First British SNES game next episode, neat!

[@JazzemBros]

Jeremy's ability to make thoroughly engaging videos on thoroughly unengaging games continues to impress

[@piratelove024]

I like "Retrona" Reminds me of Thrillho

[@gbaweekly]

I always thought Super Baseball Simulator was at one point oh (as in 100% batting average or version 1), not one thousand.

[@JeremyParish]

Yes, it's 1.000 as in a perfect batting record... aka "batting a thousand"

[@mattsephton]

Golf game nerd alert! You're correct about SNES Waialae (and Harukanaru Augusta and Pebble Beach) being a port of a PC-98 game, but it's not a straight forward one-to-one. Read on for the details... You can look for video footage of PC-98 Harukanaru Augusta, Eight Lakes, T&E Selection, or Waialae as they all run on the same engine (Augusta was the first game and contained the V1.0 engine, the other courses were add-on content purchases for use with the Augusta engine). PC-98 Pebble Beach came with V2.0 engine, but the course data could be used with PC-98 Augusta, and then PC-98 Devil's Course would only work with V2.0 engine, which is recognisable by its transparent HUD and map. It was this V2.0 engine that was used as a basis for the later SNES Devil's Course (aka Wicked 18) and SNES Masters 2, and the even later Mega Drive ports of Augusta, Pebble Beach, Waialae and Devil's Course which all play much better than the SNES versions because of the comforts the later version of the engine affords. PC-98 Masters: Harukanaru Augusta 2 brought with it V2.5 of the engine that was not compatible with any of the other courses. You can find out more on the PC98 games at necretro.org Things get really interesting on SNES with the later T&E SOFT games (Masters NEW 3, Pebble Beach NEW) which use a version of the engine that was on par with T&E SOFT's 3DO and early PSX golf games. They really pushed the SNES hard in those final two games! Pebble Beach NEW is a personal favourite. And there we have it! I'm happy to capture new footage for you of any of the PC-98 games, or the final two SNES games for that mater, if required. Website refuge.tokyo has good screen grabs of all games.

[@JeremyParish]

Thanks for the info and for uploading footage of obscure games!

[@sonicmario64]

My cousin had a copy of "Super Baseball Simulator 1000" for his SNES, which he enjoyed playing due to how much he loved baseball when he was a kid, and just like any baseball video game ever made, I disliked it. XD

[@MrMegaManFan]

Honestly two of the most boring SNES games I own, but unlike KZbin ads, I never skip a video by Jeremy Parish!

[@massivepileup]

Huh, is that the first polygonal 3D game on the SNES?

[@JeremyParish]

I thiiiiink that was Drakkhen.

[@Poever]

Oy, Hydlide... According to James Rolfe, it’s the face of evil.

[@o_o_o_o_o-o_o_o_o_o]

A baseball game that lets you use superpowers is bog-standard? Man you're going out of your way to dislike that game.

[@RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS77]

There are some stills of the PC-98 one at least... refuge.tokyo/pc9801/pc98/02313.html

[@ikonoklast7]

There are screenshots of the PC-98 version on MobyGames: www.mobygames.com/game/pc98/true-golf-classics-waialae-country-club/screenshots

[@ikonoklast7]

PC-98 Salesman: if you love dithering, boy do I have the home computer for you!

[@jonriede6846]

Jeremy, you cant truly understand the greatness of super off road unless you are playing multi-player. make sure you do the game justice.

[@JetblackThemeTime]

I must ask. What is the ending theme?

[@NoSpamForYou]

It would be interesting to see how much faster Waialae could render with a FastROM hack, and if that isn't great either then an SA-1 hack.