Gas F250 to Diesel F250... Why? Was I Surprised? Q & A Included!

[@CabanaD]

Last time I was at a dealer I peaked into to the service area and saw 5 diesels with their cabs lifted up/off. That spoke volumes about the difficulty in servicing and repairs. Keeping my ‘11 F150 V8 for now.

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

They're a nightmare!

[@singletrackscott1053]

Ask me about my 2020 F250 Lariat 4x4 Tremor 6.7L Diesel. At 6 months old, 7,500 miles, it simply stopped working. Fuel pump ate itself and sent shrapnel through my engine. Took my local Ford dealer 4 weeks to identify the problem (which is amazing to me given that fuel pump issues have been the subject of class action lawsuits for nearly 10 years) and they're still waiting on the "Contamination kit" which is a bundle of parts that will replace the entire fuel delivery system of my truck. (I'm told parts are backordered.). So my BRAND NEW, $70,000+ truck has been at the dealer for 6 weeks (as of tomorrow) with no ETA known on parts. Even after the fuel delivery system is replaced, I'll have a truck that's had metal shavings pumped through the engine due to a part that Ford knew was faulty. Very bummed, and thinking about going back to a gas burner. (For the record, every major US manufacturer uses the same faulty fuel pump (a Bosch CP4) on Diesel engines, and just about each manufacturer has been sued.

[@singletrackscott1053]

@Jay Mack gotta get mine fixed first. Ford still has my truck after 8 weeks and apparently parts are hard to come by right now.

[@joe1071]

For you this is a good choice. For the guy making the video, so long as he sells once his warranty is up, he made the better choice with the diesel. In 125k miles he probably won't use the warranty, but is at least covered if he does need it. Anything over 100k without warranty can be a money pit nightmare in a hurry with diesels nowadays. Own then under warranty. The people that own them out of warranty will be truck broke

[@frazierl7898]

@@singletrackscott1053 i work the parts department at a freightliner dealer and we have trucks sitting for multiple months at a time because parts are so far and few between. It fucking sucks but there really isn't a whole lot i can do about it considering everything is made outside of the US.

[@tommiddleton6398]

Dude, your respectful, gracious, fair, accurate, and appropriately thorough responses to the questions of your inquirers is refreshing. The content and approach to this particular video must be one of the most useful on KZbin. Thank you. Very helpful for my consideration.

[@WanderingWeekends]

I appreciate that!

[@Mike-br4sj]

Went from 2017 3.5 Eco with max tow to a 2016 F350 6.7diesel. Pull our 2018 Imagine 2800BH and absolutely love it. Just got back from the Smokies and the 6.7 didn't miss a beat even getting into some of the stronger winds from the recent hurricane. Best towing decision I've made. Went with F350 in preparation of 5th wheel. Enjoyed the video.

[@phantomwalker8251]

the left hand head has problems..but it seems the pollution side is o.k.,dont need to touch,just service...regular services,will keep 3 broken legs going forever.look up ,powerstroke help .com.

[@wmcnett]

We went from a gas 1500 to a diesel 2500 and am very satisfied. One thing that makes a big difference for us is that standard fuel islands are challenging with a setup that is 55+ feet long. With the diesel we can use the truck stops with lots of room to maneuver. Just an added benefit for some.

[@SteveNoblin]

Diesel use to be cheaper and i'm talking price wise were as it would be almost a dollar cheaper than regular fuel back in the early 90's

[@russellcoble9480]

Agree. I only purchased Premium Unleaded with my 2018 F150 with 3.5 EB...and now that I have upgraded to a 2019 F250 6.7 Diesel, my fuel costs have gone down by 40 cents...and my avg mpg stayed nearly the same. I get just got 20.4 mpg highway with the 6.7 Diesel and on the 3.5 EB the most I ever got was 22.3 mpg when using the Eco Mode option. But regular mode driving with the 3.5 EB was around 20.5 mpg. Avg daily driving around town for both the 3.5 EB and the 6.7 Diesel are pretty much the same as well....approx. 17.5 mpg.

[@roywall8169]

Timing is everything. Here we are in May of 2020, and you cannot find a SuperDuty anywhere (new or used). My dealers statewide have zero inventory. Not a buyers market for sure. I just ordered a 2022 F350 with the 7.3L. Excited to get it.........this November. 🙂😳

[@j4messcott]

Omg, I wonder how much you would have to pay for gas every year?

[@roywall8169]

@@j4messcott as my driving habits and needs do not change, my gas bill will be identical. My previous truck got 13-16 mpg. This new one will be almost identical. 🤘🏻

[@bullnukeoldman3794]

I purchased a '19 F350 w/6.2 gas engine running through the 4.30 axle that allows me 22k lbs. GCWR (I tow a 41', 16k lb horse trailer w/ living quarters). I previously towed this trailer with my old 7.3 F350 without issue but did not want the additional costs of ownership of the newer diesels with some fairly well documented issues with the 6.7 diesel problems; I chose the gas engine to avoid any diesel-related issues. Comparisons of my very reliable 7.3 (owned 20 years, bought in '99 new): 20mpg unloaded, 11 to 12mpg towing my trailer. The new 6.2: 14mpg unloaded, 8mpg towing. The fuel costs are a wash in my area - there is a $0.60 to $0.70 difference per gallon between gas and diesel thus no real appreciable difference in fuel cost towing. Power when towing up 6 to 7 degree grades between the two engines: less shifting in the diesel (a 6mt) but the auto in the 6.2 does very well albeit at a somewhat higher rpm (diesel torque was 500 lb-ft over a fairly large rpm band, the gas engine torque is 430 lb-ft over a more narrow band around 3800 rpm and has 150 more hp) and seems to pull with somewhat less effort. There was no exhaust brake on my old diesel - lots of wheel braking down hill but the 6.2 auto is surprisingly good at downshifting to engine brake decelerating 11 tons total on the downgrade. Agree that the newer diesels have even more torque and power but I have no problems at all with what the 6.2 can accomplish and do not need to look forward to clogged EGR coolers, radiator leaks, turbo issues, etc. down the road regardless of warranty coverage. As with anything YMMV but the Wandering Weekends guy is happy with his and I am very happy with mine as well. Good video, good discussion.

[@loaded.357]

Right the dpf filter is 100k service intervals recommended ..that's 4500 bucks every 100k n if ur towing like I do for a living that's like every 75k ...fuck new diesels their junk.

[@badillo50]

I have a 2005 power stroke bulletproofed and I love it.. I love it even more cuz I don’t have to deal with all that emissions laws and the DEF 👍👍👍👍

[@mattbod]

Yea Diesel engines are dying in Europe because of this and half of all cars were Diesel in the mid noughties. All the extra plumbing, turbo, injectors etc when they go wrong the costs are huge.

[@drome010381]

@@mattbod haha huge does not do it justice!

[@kylejohnson3892]

Delete ftw

[@curtgjerstad8821]

There should not be any "bulletproofing" needed on any factory diesel engine.....period!

[@lightninsadventures2692]

@@curtgjerstad8821 you're right, there shouldn't be, but every American diesel pickup 2013 and on has DEF and Regen, which needs deleted for reliability and efficientcy

[@mixflip]

A guy named Mali mish who has a travel channel chose gas vs diesel when he bought his F250 with a camper for his family of 5 living full time on the road in mexico. He said diesel needs DEF and it simplybisnt always available in Mexico. Gas was available everywhere in. North America. Of course he is a traveler who goes outside the USA. Just another note to consider.

[@chrisnwilm]

I found your channel as I was looking at options to go from my 2017 Silverado 1500 Z71. It pulled our 28' bumper pull with no problems, but had many "white knuckle" moments. I was on the fence of a F250 or Chevy 2500HD. I like you "wanted" a diesel, but I knew I needed a 3/4 ton. The Boss; AKA the wife, said don't come home in a gas. I couldn't say no to the 2019 discounts, needless to say, I absolutely love the fact I went with a diesel. Never Forget.

[@Weak_juan]

Good honest review. To many viewers watching, this is only applicable to 3/4 or 1ton trucks. Half ton diesels don't have the same power advantage as the HD. Half ton diesels are a bit of a slug especially when loaded since theyre designed for mpg.

[@kevinburroughs6583]

Great point on "living" outside the camper. We are the same way mainly spend time outside while camping. The camper is a bonus over a tent if you get caught in a storm with the kids.

[@icu_corey_rn_903]

For towing diesel is never the wrong answer if u can afford it

[@enriquelaroche5370]

Give it time. I have had my 7.3 for 16 years Really like it.

[@albertjabberin739]

My 6.2 gets about 14.3 mpg mixed city and highway daily. My diesel got about 16, and the mpgs really plummeted in the city, more so than the V8 gas. If I weren’t towing or highway traveling much, I wouldn’t get a diesel, mainly because the egr and emissions crap, too expensive if you’re just an occasional hauler.

[@chuckradawick42]

I used to work for a Ford Dealer. By my estimate, 90% of people who bought F-250's & F-350's were folks who had a 1/2 ton truck then got a bigger boat or trailer. They then had a new truck (and a trailer) payment. When I bought my F-350 (Diesel) it cost about $500 more than an F-250. I later got a bigger trailer without concern or additional cost. I'm a regular guy who can only afford one upgrade at a time...for me an F-350 was the way to go.

[@jerodnichol5781]

Very well said I recently went through the same change in trucks. I had a 14 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi and moved to a 18 2500 6.7 Cummins. We pull a 34’ Jayco Jayflight like you I will say the 6.4 never let me down one time. For me the diesel has always been a want and I went into it with very high expectations, and yes there is little comparison when it comes to pulling hills but it is a lot of cost when the other option does just fine. I am very happy with my choice but would never say it is a MUST.

[@warrantyron1786]

First, great unbiased review of the differences between gas and diesel trucks. It is easy for me to relate, because I did exactly the same thing last year and ironically ended up with exactly the same truck as you! Totally concur with everything you said. I live in Colorado and have to deal with huge mountain climbs all the time. I'll give credit to my brother who did a towing trip with me a few months back, "the diesel takes all the drama out of towing!" I think that says it all. Happy travels!

[@WanderingWeekends]

WarrantyRon no doubt. That said considering the new 7.3 is only $2300 more than the 6.2 option I dont see the diesel being worth 10k extra. Maybe 5k. All those emission parts are getting expensive.

[@NCSUME1]

The longer you have it and tow with it, the more you will appreciate the additional capabilities. It's a much more pleasant towing experience. I've had 2001 F-250 w 7.3 PSD (which was stolen and the only reason i don't still have it) and a 2016 F-250 6.7 ( both 4x4 Lariat trim). It is a matter of finance and want, but the fact you had higher expectations from get go should tell you something. Love your channel and you seem like a genuinely good guy.

[@WanderingWeekends]

NCSUME1 sincerely appreciate that. Yes, I do expect to like it more and more. Looking forward to going to the mountains this weekend!!

[@bretwalter9043]

So TRUE. The longer you have it the more you appreciate the diesel. I recently purchased a used 2016 Ford F250 (Lariat trim) with 55,000 miles for far less than a new 2019. Glad I went from my 2017 F150 (XLT trim) to this truck. What a difference in pulling our TT. We live in Houston, TX area and we do not plan on off-roading so the non-4-wheel drive was best for us and we gain a few hundred pounds towing capacity no being 4-wheel drive. Yes maintenance is higher on the diesel but if you do your own basic work (oil changes, fuel filter changes, etc.) it's not too bad. Can't say enough about this diesel. It's just great. The 3/4 ton SWD coupled with our Hensley hitch, can't beat it. As a result of this new to us truck, we purchased a new TT. Our new TT is 38' with three slides. We took a 6 week trip to Idaho, Wyoming, South Dakota and boy was this combination great. Great video too by the way.

[@texling93]

Good job on the video. Love the diesels power and now satisfied with the 6.2 gas. As others have said......good luck with the diesels. I've talked to people that say the service warranty is good but when needed they have every excuse it doesn't cover your problems.......water in fuel is one of them. I had the 1999 f350 7.3 for 11 years. Best truck I ever had.

[@taarnold8681]

Bought my 7.3 in july 1999. At 126,000 Still feels new to me!!

[@markboyd5319]

Thanks for a great video! Great realistic insight for someone on the fence. For my application, there's no significant financial advantage either way due to 20% average differential between gas/diesel in my part of the country. I want diesel simply for that relaxed feeling the low RPM torque diesel provides. My only hangup with diesel is a big one; I hunt and fish a lot and I can spend more than 10 days cruising rough dirt roads along the river/forest areas in the mountains, 1-2 miles at a time. Just the kind of usage you really don't want for diesel with EGR and DPF as regen cycles become a real issue. No highways for miles. For that reason, I'm waiting for the 7.3L unless a great deal on a 6.2 comes along. Again, great video!

[@russellcoble9480]

I recently upgraded from a 1/2 ton (2018 Ford F150 Lariat with 3.5 EB) to 3/4 ton (2019 F250 Platinum 6.7 Diesel) about 2 months ago. As you stated, the rebates for the 2019 F250 were super. I haven't had a chance to tow my 2020 GD Reflection 297RSTS yet (TT 29' or 33'11" tongue to tail), but am looking forward to it. Covid-19 and my mom's passing put a damper in our plans. So far a really love the F250 Diesel. So much more torque and power. The 3.5 EB was no slouch though... had no problem towing and it certainly pulled the mountains in AR, NM, and AZ (5K miles total trip) without any issues. Going downhill with 10K lbs pushing you was a little unnerving, but the worst part of towing 10K lbs with the 1/2 ton was the wind and trucks. No sway, but I just felt like the little 1/2 ton F150 was getting pushed around way too much. So I'm really looking forward to towing with the 3/4 ton Diesel. Good friends that went from gas to Diesel have indicated it is a night and day difference. So I'm hoping my experience will be the same. As for the "Cool Factor", I felt the 2018 F150 Lariat was pretty cool, especially with the 3.5 EB. With the Twin Turbo's, it would definitely sit you back in the seat when you stepped on the gas. But the "Cool Factor" of the 2019 Ford F250 Platinum Diesel is SO MUCH better!!! So I feel "Way Cooler"!!!. LOL

[@WanderingWeekends]

Sorry about your mom! Hopefully you're on the road soon... I'll bet you'll be happy with the truck for sure.

[@comlbbeau]

Excellent presentation, logical and well thought-out. I went through the same mental gymnastics several years ago and decided the 2015 6.2 gasser F-250 short bed SRW in Platinum trim was for me. I drive relatively few miles annually (< 3,000 miles), and tow an equipment trailer with a Kubota tractor (8500 lbs. total weight) perhaps 15% of the time. The 6.2 is more than adequate for all the reasons you allude to, and it has proven reliability. The upcharge for the diesel engine and higher maintenance (and potential higher repair costs) just weren't justified in my particular driving circumstance, but each owner must evaluate their needs and priorities for themselves, as you have done. You have a beautiful truck and should be justifiably proud of it. Happy trails!

[@WanderingWeekends]

comlbbeau thanks, as do you! Love a Kubota too! I have one of their zero turns and it’s a beast! Cheers and safe travels.

[@cavscout62]

The new 7.3L Ford Gas Engine has very diesel like characteristics and you know if you need service it can be taken to any shop without hassle. I’m a diesel fan as I drove trucks for about 12 years after leaving the Military. I’m not a big Cummins fan as I had 2 of them crater at low mileage and at low rpm with no signs that they had any problems. It’s a shame that politics forced Cat to leave the truck engine market as they are the King of diesel power. From what I’ve seen researching all 3 manufacturers, the engines are all designed for 100K service life! WTF? A diesel should be good for 500K at a MINIMUM! That being said, I believe everyone should buy and drive what they like.😎

[@kwyer1963]

For long haul trips with camper it’s so much easier to go through the big truck diesel line with a trailer than having to get through a gas pump area at most truck stops. I consider this a major factor in the decision process.

[@WanderingWeekends]

no doubt... plus it makes you feel cool to line up with the big rigs, haha!

[@kwyer1963]

Wandering Weekends we did a 6,300 mile trip in the late summer of 2017 to the Rockies coming out of Nashville TN with a big gas engine setup and a diesel would have made that trip so much more enjoyable for me, the only driver. We are doing Canadian Rockies in summer 2022 going west from Calgary on the trans Canadian Highway 1 through to Vancouver and down to Seattle and I will have a nice diesel for that trip.

[@fedguy9182]

Great video. I was pulling with an F150 5.0 but we were always having to leave items behind to keep within payload. I managed to find a 2019 F350 Lariat SRW diesel in the 6ft vs 8 ft bed and upgraded. My F350 payload is 3525 lbs. We pull a 7400 lb grand design travel trailer but may eventually get a mid size 5th wheel in a few years. The price was not much different between the 250 and 350.

[@jeremyolson2593]

You will absolutely love the diesel in the high mountains like the Rockies and the Bighorns where the passes are 9000’-13000’ passes. That is why we got the diesel. Our Tundra was more than capable, but when you tow a camper over the Bear Tooth pass, the tundra would have burnt through two tanks of gas and the diesel just ran and ran.

[@wj2791]

Your comparison on gas to diesel costs are very accurate and easy to follow. Thank you..

[@WanderingWeekends]

You're welcome! We're glad anyone watches. Thanks for stopping by!

[@wj2791]

@@WanderingWeekends Does your answer changes some with wider spread on Gas to Diesel price lately?

[@roycarlsen3335]

I have a half ton gasser, pulling a 30 ft TT. I like the idea of the exhaust braking but another plus for diesel for me would be being able to go through the trucklane at truck stops. Right now we use Google maps to see if there is enough room to maneuver but we often get there to find vehicles blocking us out (or worse -blocking us in after we pull into the one set of pumps we can manage!).

[@compactc9]

I find that I fly off of most stoplights without trying, just nudging the pedal a little gives me quite a bit of power. Most of the time I find just letting the weight of my foot down on the pedal to be too much. My favorite place to just flat out floor it is a highway on ramp, get up to the speed of traffic well before you have to try and merge!

[@timmosley3331]

I’ve been a auto technician in the car business for almost 40 years and gas is the way to go unless you are towing for a living. Gas trucks last way longer and have more power than in the past. If fuel mileage is a concern just think about how much gasoline you can buy for 10k. Depreciation is the same , if you start off lower then you end lower but percentage wise it’s the same. If you need more power then you have a lot of aftermarket choices to supercharger your gas engine and make way more power.

[@WanderingWeekends]

nailed it! I believe most gas hater/diesel fanboys haven't driven a gas truck in many years OR they've simply relied on what their dad or granddad told them about older gas trucks.

[@themartimus1748]

I love a diesel. I own both. A 2011 F-450 Powestroke. And a 2015 F-250 6.2 gas. It has a 4.30 gear ratio and it pulls really great. It will honesty surprise u. I can change oil in my F-450 for $80 my 6.2 gas is $26. It doesn’t get the fuel mileage my diesel gets but gas is cheaper so it balances out I believe. Gas will get you there no problem. Diesel will get you there faster with less grunt. Bottom line. Buy what you can afford and what you will be happy with

[@AgentRacerX]

Thanks! I appreciate your comment

[@terryadams1830]

Great, and fair, review. We bought a 2019 SRW diesel F350 (in platinum white) recently. Love it!

[@WanderingWeekends]

thank you!

[@jasonkonas1222]

Thank You so much for the complete ,honest, informative videoes.... Your information spoke directly to me about the Pros and Cons of Gas vs. Diesel along with your first hand experiences and obvious common sense knowledge of this confusing and Expensive subject.....Big Help....God Bless ...!!!!

[@WanderingWeekends]

Go glad it was useful!!

[@JauntJunkies]

Love my diesels. Would never go back. I have not had any def problems on either that I have owned with the new emissions systems.

[@wedding6165]

@wzrubicon 1 we live where its 20 below a lot. Diesels suck!! fuel gels, you have to mount your extension cord reel to the front bumper like a winch.

[@jjsroofing860]

I just went from an 06 F-250 6.0 to a new 2020 F-250 6.2 and love it. I know the new 6.7 is a beast but I’m very satisfied with the 6.2 gasser.

[@jjsroofing860]

Jay Mack the 7.3 and 10 speed are new. I knew the 6.2 and 6 speed were proven. But who knows the 7.3 might prove to be good. I like to give them a couple years to get the bugs out.

[@landlord8984]

8 hour job to change the alternator. on the diesel...and there are two alternators..open the hood..look inside...close the hood and buy something else...

[@mojotrinity4927]

john 45#1 if it takes you 8 hours something wrong. Just saying .

[@ever4437]

It’s a ford, the engineers don’t give a crap about fixing it. Gm and Dodge are a lot easier to work on.

[@cbgardner123]

@@ever4437 Yeah they need to be!

[@cbgardner123]

That's all modern vehicles. Not really a diesel vs gas comparison

[@pukwudjivc]

@@ever4437 I call BS. That's why I got rid of my Cummins 12v. I needed to adjust the idle on mine. It was impossible to reach the idle adjustment with a tool without disassembling the hard brake lines that ran from the master cylinder toward the front of the truck before changing to braided lines. The only reason these hard lines were there, it appeared, was to block access to that side of the block. It also couldn't be accessed from below. I would have had to spend time disconnecting brake lines then bleeding the brakes when reassembling in order to adjust the idle as a home mechanic. NOT easy to work on.

[@CommonCentsOutdoorsman]

It's funny that the best truck is always the one you just bought lol... generally speaking of course. Before I bought my eco boost I drove the other makes and models and I really liked them all. Modern trucks are crazy good especially all the towing features they now have so 6 of 1, half dozen the other. We will be towing a 31 ft travel trailer to move out west but once we get settled we will downsize to 25 ft so the 3.5 is more than enough. We towed the 31 ft 1,200 miles so far (over the Appalachians) no problem at all.

[@bbhrdzaz]

I drive my 2016 F250 15k miles a year with 2000 miles towing travel trailer. my numbers differ, 16mpg commuting, 11-11.5 mountain towing. fuel filter, $56.50 on amazon change it myself, change every 15K. Oil changes at dealer every 7.5k, $89 each change. hard to beat that price so don't do it myself. DEF, DIY. wish i had your fuel cost. in Phx AZ, it has been hovering around $3/gal. The diesel makes sense for me where I tow. Arizona and the west is mountainous. I tow 8000lb payload at elevations from 1230ft (home) to 9200ft (camping in the White Mtns). Its up one mountain 3500ft and down then the next range 4500, then the Mogollon Rim6000ft, then the White mountains 7-10k ft. What happens at altitude, is that an engine cannot make as much torque and horsepower. that additional torque/horsepower makes the difference, doesnt suffer even at 9000 ft. with my payload, I can easily forget i am even towing my 30ft, 7500lb trailer with cargo in the bed. BTW, I have the 50gal Titan Fuel Tank. Weight of the truck makes towing a breeze. If I was a flatlander, gas engine would be sufficient.

[@roxannemikekirkendall6456]

Start buying your Auto Parts at RockAuto it's cheaper

[@jayhawkarce1816]

Fantastic video, thanks. I jumped from a 1/2 ton straight to a 250 diesel (2015), and have always wondered about the difference between my truck and a gas version. Definitely a want on my part, live in a fairly flat part of the country, and don't 'need' but like to have that assurance of the exhaust brake. Plus we must drive similarly, my MPG is similar, so interesting to see the differences in annual costs you've seen...makes me feel a little better about the added annual maintenance costs I've seen. Great stuff, keep it up.

[@WanderingWeekends]

Jayhawk ARCE thanks! Sincerely appreciate that!

[@nbooker7504]

Love your review I am a proud owner of a 2001 7.3 370,000 miles everyday driver and worked a lot on the farm never had any engine or turbo problems whatsoever but compared to gas engines the same model and pulling goosenecks side by side it blows them away especially around these mountains where I’m from.

[@WanderingWeekends]

The ole 7.3's are legendary!!

[@melrobinson6919]

Ditto here, being the original owner of an '01 7.3, but only have 156,000 on her. The only weak spot is the 4R100 tranny. I still have the Western Diesel Tri-Power chip installed that really woke up the engine, but probably contributed to the tranny going out twice, but it is a dog stock. No plans to ever sell her...

[@robertlee6783]

I have 99 f350 473 k on it

[@rockycadieux4642]

Nice review. 👍🏻 I pull a 23 Jayco with a Chevrolet 1/2 ton 5.3. The more I learn the more I think if I go with a bigger camper I’m going diesel. Preferably a one ton due to similar cost to 3/4 ton.

[@TheManhu01]

Payload capacity for the gas is almost a 1000 more. A 2019 F250 gas payload capacity is 3300 pounds. Beautiful truck

[@larryselfridge6733]

The only downside I find to my Diesels is the winter. Addative/anti gel every tank. And I let mine warm up longer. But I love the exhaust brake. I do tow 5-14k 3-4 times a week. If I needed to replace it today I’d lean toward the new 7.3. Both of mine are diesel Dodge Rams a 97 3500 with 310000 and an 18 3500 with 17500.

[@WanderingWeekends]

Larry Selfridge new 7.3 is certainly attractive. Thank you for watching and commenting!

[@chrissmith7101]

Great video! I really enjoyed listening to your perspective on these issues. I am pulling a Rockwood 2706WS that sounds like is the same size as your trailer. I tow it with a 2019 4 wheel drive Silverado 1500 that has a 6” lift with 35” tires. I had the truck before the trailer and wasn’t educated about all the weight factors when I bought my trailer. Although it’s within the truck capacity and capabilities it’s not a pleasant time towing this trailer. I’m looking at f-250’s now and struggling with engine choice but after your video I think I’m going to stay with gasoline unless I come across a smoking deal on a new diesel. Thanks for the informative video.

[@nhlcfl7733]

A very well balanced and accurate information video in gas vs. diesel. You likely saw some of my responses on some of your other videos as I have a 2020 Chevy 6.6L gasser. When I hear you paid as low as a gasoline truck as you did with that 6.7L diesel plus all that warranty, what a great deal 👍🏼. As well, as your real world numbers show, it supports why you log your newer 7.3 Godzilla and why I love my Chevy 6.6L gas unit. Take care from Alberta.

[@Cla55clown]

Two things: you get some of that money back on the back end sale of your diesel. I hear short trips around town that don't allow the diesel to fully warm up can cause damage and emissions issues.

[@VulturousStuff]

Trying to transition from living in a 4 door sedan for years to a truck and trailer appreciate the video

[@Valor_73737]

I have been pulling heavy stock and horse trailers since the '70s! I learned three things favoring diesels! One, they get better fuel mileage! Two, a lot of towing usually requires valve jobs on gas engines because of the increased combustion chamber temperatures! Under load, the combustion chamber temps on a diesel are much lower! Three, properly maintained diesels are good for multiple hundreds of thousand miles without overhaul. These are the reasons over road big rigs are ALL diesel! If one seldom tows gas is probably the best way to go. But if towing any weight at all is the norm, diesels are best! My current diesel has over 285,000 reliable miles on it, well over half of that has been pulling from 3 to 6 tons all over the nation! My last gas powered truck needed a valve job at 38,000 miles!.

[@loaded.357]

And I hotshot and diesel newer ones after they came with dpf n egrs are junk my 20 years of hotshoting I've put on more miles then you bet on that I'm on the road 5 days a week no less then 11 hrs of driving a day ...I'll take a newer gas for none cdl loads over a newer diesel any day those emission systems make diesels junk.

[@Valor_73737]

@@loaded.357 That could be if you don't tow that much! One of the reasons I still drive an '06 model is because of these newer emission systems. I don't care to mess with that fuel additive. Just turned over 300,000 mine. At least half of that is towing miles.

[@loaded.357]

@@Valor_73737 bought a 2015 f250 6.7 powerstroke last November bought at 89k now has 254k cost of maintaining it is double then a gas and I've pulled with a 6.6 chevy gaser well my 2015 was in getting the dpf filter replaced 4500 bucks right there ...I'll be buying a 7.3 gaser in few years yeah the lower torque means i can't do 70 mph up the 7% n 9% grades but 60mph is good enough ..probably put over 200k on the diesel once this year is done ... hotshot trucking most often you can average 250k a year maybe 300k ..

[@revgordon91]

Wow! I wasn't expecting that big difference in savings for the diesel vs gas. I appreciate you going into the daily driving experience because I have been comparing the gas vs diesel for some time. The payload Easter Egg is extremely interesting. I like to see your results for this truck.

[@rvninnorthcarolina3377]

Rebate was the key. When I bought in December, it was a 10,000 hit over a similar gasser. That helped my decision to go gas after owning 3 smokers!

[@user-jy1md7vk1w]

2022 would like to have a word... ;) For towing our trailer, we needed to upgrade our 2016 F150 to a F350 in Spring 2022. Every Ford dealer wanted $15,000 over MSRP and you had to take whatever the dealer got in, no negotiations, no choosing your options or add-ons. Some dealers had nothing at all to sell for F250-F450, except for customer orders arriving 8-12mos after ordering, and if the customer didn't want it then that's what they could sell. Ford stopped taking orders months ago, and dealers told me they are hoping ordering opens back up in August 2022. Dealer and others online said the same long game happened in 2021. "Rebates" are non-existent ever since chip shortages got worse in the past 3-4 years, and then covid + lockdowns hit supply chains for the past 2yrs. You are lucky to have bought before these crazy truck buying times hit.

[@ed6102]

Thanks for your video ,I have a 22 ram 2500 Cummins i only use to tow my travel trailer or boat. i love it !

[@vancity_coaster]

Your going to help clear out the 19’s lol I have some of the identical thoughts you went over about the new truck and I’m just waiting to drive the new gas 7.3 And see how it is before I throw down.

[@joshschilling645]

The best video to date explaining the real world towing differences between gas and diesel HD trucks. Very interesting information on the new way FORD rates their payload numbers.

[@WanderingWeekends]

Josh Schilling thank you. Sincerely appreciate that!

[@SorinNicu]

Nice review! About the $510 savings a year. Considering the financing interest, at $9500 borrowed extra, you need 25 years to make up the price difference and start saving money. And if you drive less in any of those years... it extends the duration.

[@WanderingWeekends]

Sorin Nicu yep... at least 18... price of emission components have really made these diesels less attractive.

[@pbodymathis]

In my business I purchased two F-250 6 L diesels and had no problems running up and down the interstate working in the oil fields. Did not pull a lot of weight and they had a ton of power. What I did not like about the new model was the fact that I could not buy the oil and fuel filters from any local auto parts store and that made the oil changes expensive ($100 in 2004). When I bought the second one you could buy the filters and change your own oil of which I like to do.

[@slugger255]

I wish I had your price of diesel! Here where I am in Pennsylvania regular 87 gas is $2.55 and diesel is $3.35, there would be a much bigger difference in the savings in my situation.

[@unapologeticskeptic4739]

He is spot on with the needs vs wants statement. With a difference of roughly $9,000 dollars in purchase cost you can set that aside and have a rebuilt, or new engine, dropped in later if you need it. Granted the diesel should go much farther before a rebuild is needed but I have seen gasers go 300,000 miles before they died. I remember my 1979 Pontiac "Smoke and the Bandit" Edition Trans Am making 220 HP from a 6.6 liter TA Pontiac engine and when I bought it in '83 that was amazing.

[@kellyheath8547]

don't ignore the major maintenance required on a diesel, emissions equipment and fuel injectors can be spendy. Either of those systems can cost the same as a new gas longblock.

[@vincelicari1288]

I was lucky on the DEF my dealership puts in for free. My 19 chevy is 18 mpg daily driving in the country. HWY if you can believe it for long trips best 24 mpg.

[@genehart261]

I bought my Cummins powered Dodge in Oct, 2000 and I still have it. No reason to change, still a great truck. Cheap to license, cheap to maintain, no DEF.

[@myleshansel7950]

Congrats on the new truck, don't baby the truck. The DPF and the exhaust system needs to be run hard to keep it cleaned out. When buying DEF check the date, you don't want old fluid or buy from a local truck stop. On a side note I could have sworn I seen you shopping at Costco in Buford if it wasn't you it was you're twin brother. If it was I'd love to have lunch and hear about all the camping you've done besides watching all of you're videos.

[@WanderingWeekends]

Myles Hansel great points! That could well have been me in Costco. Buford is our store. Never hesitate to say hi if you see me/us out. Always happy to talk camping! We need to have a meet up for the channel sometime. I just always worry no one would show up 😂😂

[@curtgjerstad8821]

I also think this depends on your location. I bought the gas here in Minnesota, the 6.2 is proven, the 6.7 diesel has problems, thats why they had to offer the extended warranty in the diesel, people are still scared of the ford diesel platform! have one breakdown after warranty, the gas will fly past the diesel on savings !! this is true!!!

[@chrisarnold769]

Yeah, until you count in the initial cost + the maintenance. I'm a 7.3 Powerstroke fan, but when I upgrade, it'll be to a 6.2 or an older V10 with a stick. Yeah, the fuel costs suck, but the maintenance more than makes up for it. Plus, I don't, and don't suggest, daily driving a truck. Buy a beater for $2-3k and get 35+ mpg with super cheap maintenance.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

I guess the new 7.3L V8 gas engine will be exciting for you then.

[@chrisarnold769]

@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Sure. I'm looking forward to seeing how it does. I imagine that it will be very good.

[@keshmo12]

I got a 2011 F250 with the 6.2 and idk how people drive it but my average for the past 20k miles is 14.7. Only towed like 1,000 miles or so. The previous owner got like 11.5 and idled it all day long (like 1500 idle hours on a truck with 90k miles!). I agree with you on the towing mpg though lol. It's like 8-9 mpg all the time. My dad has the 2015 f250 with the diesel. Same truck configuration. He get's like 17-18 mpg. But the 6.7 has so much more power but it looks like a pain to work on anything under the hood when you have the 2 trucks side by side. You can see the ground looking at the engine in the 6.2! Good video though I liked the comparison.

[@royallen9698]

Did you consider the F350 instead of the F250 since the price difference is extremely small considering the big difference between them on how much weight you can put in the bed of the truck or hitch weight. The F250 compared to the F350 is huge if you were to decide to go to a 5th wheel.

[@bernardolson1659]

Love my diesel I bought it used in 06 it’s a 99 F250 7.3 it’s my daily driver most guys rag on me about what you said I’m not really using it for what it’s worth but I’ve owned it since 06 I take care of it it has 380500 miles and I trust it I’d like to see a gasser do that. I would have a hard time going back to a gas truck I don’t think I could do it...I think maintenance for me is still way cheaper than gas I feel you have more to go wrong on a gas with wires and plugs and coil packs seems like more work to figure which one is at fault... my opinion of course.

[@WanderingWeekends]

You're 7.3 is a legend... and it doesn't have near the emission mess these modern diesels have. Keep that truck!

[@jerrybowman5546]

Great video. Looking at purchasing a 2019 6.2 u answered all my concerns

[@johnjackson9564]

Very good comparison. I love that you found and shared the Easter egg information. I am a Cummins guy and currently have my third Cummins pickup (2018). Every model was better than the last. We looked hard at the Ford in 2018 when we bought and loved some of the features, but decided the Ram fit our desires and needs better. It is a personal choice. You hit it right on with your comparisons. One thing which I will add is life expectancy and resale of diesel over gas. I wouldn’t make a choice solely on this but it is one more factor. Keep making honest videos. PS I also have bought and run class 8 trucks and have always been a diesel fan even before the diesel pickups came along.

[@WanderingWeekends]

John Jackson thank you!

[@alextrainor2552]

Big advantage with the diesel is there are aftermarket replacement fuel tanks available from 50 to 70 gallons.

[@Wesley-nq8ff]

I hear you there. I have a titan 55 gallon mid-ship tank, and a 100 gallon aux tank in the bed. It's quite excellent to have 1400 mile range while pulling a fully loaded 43' toy hauler and tipping the scales at 28K GCWR. Unloaded it has a range of just a touch over 2200 miles. Can't do that with my gasser. It isn't about driving that entire distance with no stops. We have, but you have a different view of fuel prices and stops when you can drive for >2 days without refueling. You get to fuel up precisely on your schedule and at the station of your choosing, instead of being forced to stop at the sketchy non-name station because the tank is almost dry.

[@madhuntsadventures]

Awesome video! Thanks for all the great information! My wife and I are looking for a truck now and we’ve truly struggled with the gas/diesel question. Thanks again!

[@WanderingWeekends]

If you're like us it is a huge investment! Glad to add some info to the decision. Thank you for watching and commenting!

[@Pilot545]

I think I prob would have made the same decision. My biggest issue with the diesel is that upfront cost. You can get a LOT of options by sticking with a gasser for that nearly $10K. Once that cost is taken out of the equation, I think diesel would be the easy choice. Great vid and good choice! (FYI: I have a ‘18 F150 and tow a 32’ Jayco. I understand its limitations and am envious of you but I enjoy the daily drivability of the half ton...plus, we tow mostly in FL BUT I can def see an F250 in our future...only because I WANT one). DEF very interesting about Ford’s new payload definition. And great explanation on wants vs needs. MANY MANY people confuse the two! And damn, what a down to earth and genuine guy you seem! Hope our paths cross one day out camping if you’re ever down near Melbourne, FL.

[@WanderingWeekends]

Thanks man... I appreciate that. Never hesitate to say hi if you see us out. We aren't in Florida much now but that'll change when the kiddos are up for longer trips. Happy camping!

[@pujdomoj]

You all mention up front cost but forgetting resale value.

[@Pilot545]

pujdo moj For most people, the upfront cost is what matters most. Besides, you aren’t going to recoup the full $10k-ish on resale anyway. At BEST you will break even. So, no, I don’t think most people are thinking resale when trying to deal on a $60-80k truck. They want the best deal possible to get it in their driveway.

[@patormiston2819]

I special ordered a 2020 F250 Lariat W/ 7.3 hoping it it wont take too long to come in. For my towing application the gas engine is good

[@WanderingWeekends]

Let us know... it has a nice torque curve for sure...

[@rvninnorthcarolina3377]

The specifications indicate that this engine will tow like a diesel with max torque coming on early in the RPM Curve. If it would have been available in late 2018 when I bought my 2019, I would have gotten it. I have the 6.2 Gasser and honestly I could not be happier with it. Good luck!

[@patormiston2819]

@@rvninnorthcarolina3377 I also ordered it with 4.30 gears so it should have plenty on the bottom end

[@DeezNuts-sx9jd]

pat ormiston please make videos

[@brettkavanaugh9448]

pat ormiston how is the 7.3 asking for a friend

[@joshuaplacka8480]

The 7.3 gas will be an option all the way up to 650. The motor should be looked at if you are considering a diesel. And by the way we own both. 6.2 gasser and 7.3 old school diesel

[@WanderingWeekends]

Joshua Placka Agree!

[@borderty25]

Great video buddy and thanks for you valuable time.and I wish you the best with your new truck!!!

[@WanderingWeekends]

thank you!!

[@timmytool1231]

I just got rid of my 2012 6.7, and bought a 2016 6.2 both F250's. For me being on a limited income the 6.7 when they have problems are scary expensive to repair. The 11 thru 14 6.7 are problems just waiting to happen. Now I read the 2020 diesel is nothing but problems. No more diesel for me after owning 5 of them.

[@SIX4TALL]

I never f250 had a 6.2 gas Im just not finding that out that's crazy wow

[@timmytool1231]

@@SIX4TALL I've owned 5 diesels 3 7.3's a cummins, and just sold the 6.7. Up front the diesel is about $10k more than the gas rig, repairs are because of the many systems, fuel being a big one, emissions are an engine killer on diesel, poor bearing is early 6.7 turbos, C4 fuel pump, the list goes on, and the price to fix them is unreal even if you do your own work like I do. Nope done!

[@DukesofoffroadHazzard]

I have a 2010 v10 and just bought a 2006 diesel f250. I also did a video of my trucks brother!!! My v10 has 200,000 miles and towed 14,000lbs with it and only had a catalytic converter go bad! Had to retire her and get a diesel! Best of luck. Videos of my trucks in my profile.

[@alextrainor2552]

Payload is calculated by subtracting the curb weight of the truck from the gvwr. Go to a cat scale and get it weighed with a full tank of fuel and you will see what you are able to haul.

[@WanderingWeekends]

That's really the only thing I can do for a solid answer. It's ridiculous how tough it is to find solid info on the subject.

[@Soladaddy]

Sounds like a good deal for a new one because they won't be discounting the new 7.3s for a while. Odds are this time next year the 7.3 will have normal discounts like the rest on the models.

[@frankmoreau8847]

Regarding the downshifting. Talk to the guys with the really big torque diesels about downshifting, I mean the ones driving Kenworths, Petrbilts and Macks. Downshifting on a grade is a part of life. At least you were able to maintain your speed and that is the biggest thing. I've driven up more than on mountain pass a 35 to 40 mph with 80,000 gross load of lumber..

[@spin0491]

Gas has to down shift multiple times up and down constantly diesel most of time can power thru it way easier semi just puts it in his hill powering gear and let the torque power him up engine/exhaust brake down which I love about a diesel not having to pump brakes/hold brakes on a hill life saver man.....

[@randylheureux4468]

A really informative video, thanks. We are about a year away from trailer and truck purchase. Our plan is to have the truck less than 10 years. Those will be spent with several months of towing each year throughout North America. I know one can’t predict the future but at this time is the increased upfront purchase cost of the diesel offset typically by a higher resale value than the gas truck. All things like condition and mileage, options being equal. Thanks.

[@wilburcalhoun7049]

Great video I am a 6.4 owner myself but the one area u didnt hit was the resale value do diesel still hold a better resale than gas

[@terrymoline8260]

I made my last payment on our F250 2019 superduty king ranch diesel 6.7 short bed and then went looking for a new 5th wheel and was was sick to find out payload only 2050lbs and towing cap. 14100 . So there isn't a full time 5th wheel with gvwr that will work . We were looking at a Redwood 3401rl it's only 36' and the pin weight is 2,362 and it weighs 13,246 but loaded is 17,900 . We probably should of got a one ton . We are so bummed out and wish we would of known all this last year. We are wanting to retire next year and take a year traveling. Thanks for the information your very knowledgeable.

[@WanderingWeekends]

Terry Moline at least you’re doing your homework. Many simply hitch up to the diesel and head out assuming the oil burner will pull anything under the sun. We did a vid on this about a year ago. I hope it works out well for you guys!

[@terrymoline8260]

Thanks for responding could you please look at my other last comment also . We really do appreciate you

[@terrymoline8260]

My wife and I can't sleep hoping that you will send us that information you held up that has the vin. No. And explanation. Please send when you can thanks. Molineheating@ hotmail.com

[@iilijah]

Not sure if this was mentioned but, I am no longer pro diesel for one reason and one reason only. Current diesel is no longer million mile motors. The longevity is no longer there and gas is currently getting better. Specially with the new 7.3, I feel the new motor will also get a longer lifespan.

[@KoolCordell]

agreed seriously considering a f350 DRW king ranch with 4.30 gears and the new 7.3 I LOVE the torque and relibility of my 8.1. i drove the 6.2 with 7k behind it and it was fine.... then i drove my 8.1 at nearly 20K GCWR and realized why 4 bolt mains are inportant. being rated at 28K GCWR on the new 7.3 is going to be the new 8.1 (8.1 was launched as a diesel alternative in 2001) also over 26K CDL laws come into play in certain states.

[@mjbl1787]

Im towing my 9500 pound travel trailer with a 2019 6.7 f250 and wouldnt have it any other way. Cruise control at 65mph it gets in 6th gear and rarely downshifts

[@garypappilli898]

Jimmy Smith what kinda mph you get

[@michaeldonato3120]

We have a 2019 F-250 gasser and pull a GD 3170BH. I wish I would have gotten a diesel for one reason, fuel capacity! My truck has a 28 gallon tank with no way to upgrade, a diesel come with a larger tank and the ability to upgrade with aftermarket tanks. Refueling with the trailer attached on longer trips is quite difficult. Other than that my truck performs well and we recently traveled over 12,000 miles seeing the western half of the country with no problems.

[@WanderingWeekends]

What a great experience!

[@herbluesky]

I have the same truck but 8ft bed. It has a 48 gallon tank

[@michaeldonato3120]

Clarence Stovall Jr yeah I wish I would have realized the 6.5ft bed had such a small gas tank!

[@roundsm18]

Michael Donato you have a couple options for an upgrade to your fuel capacity. They have transfer tanks that sit in your bed. Those are able to be plumbed to your fuel tank just like they do in the diesel. You can also get a vehicle up fitter to put in an auxiliary gas tank. We do them all the time. Ambulances, brush fire apparatus. It’s possible.

[@billgailcunningham6903]

Thank you! Out of the many comparison videos on anything, I appreciate yours the best. You gave down to earth honest answers. You didn't badmouth the Gas version. You showed real time fuel economy figures. Bravo!

[@WanderingWeekends]

I sincerely appreciate that! They're both good trucks.

[@Mike-cp1ft]

Buy your Motorcraft fuel filters from amazon, and buy your oil and motorcraft oil filter from Walmart. If you do it yourself its cheap and easy to do. I run 5-40 rotella im my 2017 6.7.

[@WanderingWeekends]

Mike 79 it’s my understanding the fuel filters aren’t much of a job either. Amazon is certainly our friend sometimes!

[@Mike-cp1ft]

@@WanderingWeekends They are very easy to do. You can find how to videos on youtube for changing them. Just make sure to cycle the key at least 6 times to prime the fuel system after changing them. You don't want the HPFP running dry. Also good idea to drain your water separator at least once a month, I do mine every two weeks. Also try and run a fuel additive if you can. I run optilube xpd in the winter and their summer additive in the warmer months. Both have a demulsifier in them to help the water separator trap water.

[@kodywilder7202]

Really enjoyed your video I run 2012 f350 6.2L pull a 32ft 9000lb

[@docdvmv1286]

I presently pull a fifth wheel 30 foot trailer with a 6.7 Cummins diesel Considering going to a 2020 GMC Sierra Gas 2500. Why? Because I would not have to deal with diesel mechanics going forward. Will it compare to the Cummins , I don't believe so.Travelled through the Rocky mountains last year and this year. Hills were no problem at all. In fact I had to pass a number of vehicles on the way up. And yes the one thing I would miss most of all would be the exhaust brake. I tow 1 month a year for approximately 10,000 kms. (6000 miles) I drive 25000 miles a year. So would the convenience of not having to look for diesel pumps and deal with diesel mechanics, expensive fuel and oil filter changes make it worthwhile. I don't really know. Sure the diesel motor will last a long time if maintained but the rest of the truck will get old and worn just lie any truck. And maintaining an old 3/4 ton truck can be costly if you don't service it yourself.

[@fox252]

Nice break down, I have been shying away from diesel thinking the cost of maintenance would be higher than the fuel savings.

[@WanderingWeekends]

It'll take me 20 years to "save" money buying a diesel. Just doesn't work that way anymore unfortunately.

[@jeffforbess6802]

I would think you’d have to drive or tow dramatically more, annually, to “break even”. Probably double.

[@kevinburroughs6583]

Just curious your thought about looks. Personally I like the looks of the previous gen 2012-2016 better than the 2017+

[@WanderingWeekends]

I think they both look good honestly... I do think the previous gen looks better in black

[@NoahTheHomeInspectorTV]

I'm in the market and just wanted to say thanks so much for taking the time to make this video for us.

[@WanderingWeekends]

The Gilly McGee Show! You’re more than welcome! We’re grateful you watched! Happy shopping.

[@NoahTheHomeInspectorTV]

@@WanderingWeekends are you guys on instagram?

[@WanderingWeekends]

Yes! @wanderingwknds

[@SuperDave-vj9en]

The devil can't separate me from my 2002, 350 Superduty diesel. Great mileage, lariat crew cab, white exterior, plus every upgrade! 12.6 mpg consistently......

[@leonarddouglass8191]

My retirement present to myself when i retired from the Ford Engine Labs in 2002 was a black company resale lot F350 CrewCab dually with 7.3 L diesel it had 59 miles on it when I got it and has just over 21,000 original miles on it today. I tell all the people who want to buy it, Talk to my Widow [Grin]!

[@Price-qd1cd]

Super Dave 7.3?

[@roundsm18]

Price 1150 yes the 2002 model year was the 7.3L diesel.

[@roundsm18]

I’d be concerned with that consistent 12.9 mpg. I run a V10 with 5.35 rear end gears at 28,000 gvw and I get 13 mpg. And I’m waiting for that engine to flipping die, it burns oil, it’s well over 500,000 and I use it at its max gross weight all the time. I’m hard on that thing. Your diesel should be absolutely blowing the doors off my V10 750.

[@AJ-bi6ns]

What did every upgrade get your in 2002 leather and a CD player? Lol

[@ViajesChurchVacationsMore]

I was thinking to sell my old 2009 Ford F250 5.4 Lariat 4x4 and go for a diésel, because I have a big rig and a Ford f650 diésel with a cummins and go all diésel but I wach Your video and You Open my eyes, I dont have to get in debt, since my truck run just perfect yes is an old truck but after paying 5,000 usd for it I can't complain, You video is very helpful, thank You very much.......

[@JKoolina]

Thanks for the insight. Especially the question at the 30 minute mark. I'm in the market for a new tow vehicle and keep going back and forth between a 3/4 ton and the expedition Max. Based upon your experience with the Expedition sounds like 3/4 it is.

[@WanderingWeekends]

JKoolina no doubt about that one. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@markkropf8295]

We have the 2018 Expedition max and absolutely love it. We are currently at the tetons (which was a 1300 mile trip) and pulled a 7x16 enclosed utility trailer. While it had plenty of power it really needs to have load range E 10 ply tires to take towing to the next level. But not more than I tow I'm not sure I'm willing to make that ride compromise for all the rest of the time. Bottom line is while I love the expedition and it can tow, I would have a much better experience towing with a superduty. My trailer has a extra tall ceiling and for whatever reason seemed to catch a lot of wind. Towing at 75 mph had the mpgs at @ 7.5. 65 mph close to 9. 55 to 60 mph 11 to 12.. Empty I average a combined 19.4 mpg.

[@LeeWinbush]

Yeah we’re impressed with our 2017 Expedition Limited EL. Better for my wife as her daily driver with 3 kids. But I’ll be getting an F250 6.2 gasser at some point soon.

[@LeeWinbush]

Or the 2020 7.3 if we can swing it.

[@tomm3338]

Great video. The chart was a good thing to show real world numbers

[@WanderingWeekends]

Appreciate you watching!

[@T1jetmech]

So its been a year since you made this video. Any second thoughts on diesel? Have you considered deleting the dpf? I'm looking at a few options now to upgrade my F150 to a 250 or 350 and torn between the 7.3 and the 6.7

[@robertchaney7766]

You can save money by buying your DEF at truck stops at the pumps vs the containers of DEF, half the price. Plus truck stop def is always gonna b circulating. Stuff at wal mart can sit in inventory for who knows how long. Great content!! 👍

[@WanderingWeekends]

I'll certainly be visiting the truck stop for DEF.

[@intensepisgahbiker]

I've bought nothing but Walmart Supertech DEF for 125k miles with no issues. Two jugs every 7500 miles.

[@kevincameron8437]

I second the exhaust brake being awesome! ESP when towing in the mountains.

[@nmelkhunter1]

Yes, especially!

[@drdwgmd14]

What is an exhaust brake?

[@rickbeyer6633]

Very fair comparison and it matches my experience. HAD a 2016 F-250 with 6.2. It actually towed great in Oregon where basic speed is 55 mph. We could average 8.0 mpg towing our 5th wheel (except in the mountains). Terrible in Idaho with 65 basic speed (even higher mph on freeways). Averaged 6.0 mpg towing. I traded for a 2019 F-350 with the 6.7 Powerstroke and as you say "I got what I expected". Very happy with the upgrade so far, especially with the lack of the stress I feel compared with the 6.2 with the constant shifting of gears while trying to maintain speed on rolling terrain. If I had cruise set, the transmission would shift from 6th gear all the way to 2nd trying to maintain 55 mph. New subscriber!

[@WanderingWeekends]

Rick Beyer welcome!! Sounds like some scenic camping!! Can’t wait to RV out west!