War Bow Speed Challenge: Update & Final Thoughts

[@juniorrealtordavesoffice2435]

Love this, your strength to weight is incredible. Thanks for all the info , has helped me a lot

[@syangkhan]

WOW! Speed shooting with 100# war bow, that's impressive

[@regaeontop]

I love this! Realistic speed shooting!

[@vfc1860]

Congrats to anyone who can shoot at 100#!!! Man you are incredible. Especially with a thumb ring!

[@SuperHyee]

Thanks and respect !

[@ngondeg]

It is nice you held to your form and did not snap shoot.

[@syangkhan]

It's almost a Full Draw

[@gabrielsaffa5318]

I'm not an expert on this but I wonder what would such comparison looked like if the outcomes (e.g. average arrow speed or total time or number of arrows shot in a time limit) or inputs (e.g. bow poundage) were somehow standardized by archer's body weight. For example, to make a comparison valid, Peter Bogár would shoot a heavier bow than Justin Ma. Or, if they both shot a bow of the same/similar poundage, measurements would be adjusted by body weight of respective archers.

[@ronnieyap7154]

Do we have a clip of the dude shooting the 9 arrows in ~27sec?

[@TheWayofArchery]

Here's a link: facebook.com/bogar.archery/posts/768461360212529

[@johnminnitt8101]

@@TheWayofArchery He is impressive, but I must say I prefer your technique, the longer draw may be a bit slower but will surely use the back muscles better, and probably be more reliable and accurate. I have always shot English longbows, but after looking at your channel I'm very tempted to try an AF Chinese bow.

[@wizardjacek86]

That guy never draw his bow to #100 Is a fiber glass every arrow was sticking out good few inches and #100 was achieved because of stacking so I would not call this as clarified

[@adamparsons1725]

Thats fairly fast! I am not that knowledgeable on Asiatic War Archery so this may seem dumb....How many arrows, or how long would Archers need to be firing arrows? I guess all they could...would make sense.. Looked like by #6 you were struggling a bit...at 132 pounds....I was impressed! Can you imagine shooting at this rate for like 100 arrows or 15 minutes...thats my question. How long would an archer be required to keep up sustained volleys? To best of your knowledge. I cant comprehend the endurance that would require, its mind blowing

[@pattymalarkey628]

You are very well spoken. Good shooting. You got my sub

[@yuudai1400]

Justin, thank you for what you do. I am inspired to shoot heavy Asiatic war bows myself, and it is good to see that there is a expert. Where do you get your heavy bows? They seem so rare.

[@TheWayofArchery]

Lately I've preferred the MR Bows (Misko Rovcanin) for the ones that are heavier. Please see www.cinnabarbow.com/marinerbows/mrbows.html

[@vanivanov9571]

DATA: Justin, Asiatic 100lb bow, 132 lb man. 1st Attempt Average Shooting Speed: 7.25 seconds per arrow. Fastest shot: 6.6 seconds. Slowest shot: 7.9 s Arrow Nock Time: ~2 seconds (can research this further.) Shot Speeds: 7.6, 6.6, 6.8, 7.4, 7.2, 7.9 2nd Attempt Average Shooting Speed: 5.9 s Fastest shot: 5.3 s Slowest shot: 6.5 s Arrow Nock Time: Not analysed yet. Shot Speeds: 5.3, 6, 6.5, 5.5, 6.4, 5.7. Peter Bogar, 102# bow. Average: 9 arrows in less than 27 seconds, less than 3 seconds per arrow.

[@wizardjacek86]

That guy never draw his bow to #100 Is a fiber glass every arrow was sticking out good few inches and #100 was achieved because of stacking so I would not call this as clarified

[@vanivanov9571]

​@@wizardjacek86 You mean Peter Bogar's result? I did try to measure his draw as he shot, and it seemed approximately right, but it is possible he was drawing short by an inch or two. I was thinking that would only reduce the draw weight to about 90# at worst. But you mention stacking... at that rate the draw weight could be even less?

[@wizardjacek86]

@@vanivanov9571 yes I meant by the looks on the videos inch or two with fiber glass bow could be even #10-20 with stacking. I’m not here to criticise but I think full draw was scarified for speed which is pretty normal in this occasion. I’m not saying he can’t do it with full draw.

[@incorporeal3793]

Nine arrows in twenty seven seconds with a 100# bow is insane.

[@Jack_Gatsby]

for the arrow to hit target that close and that hard (unlike hitting fiber target such as haystack) , wouldn't it put too much shock on the arrows that could create micro fracture?

[@TheWayofArchery]

Depends on quality of release. A bad release that introduces a lot of sideways oscillation will definitely put more stress on the arrow upon impact.

[@wachidhasyim1308]

@@TheWayofArchery what kind of arrow do you use for that 100lbs bow and safe for shooting in that very short distance?

[@johnhanley9946]

I have a question about the way the bow is draws in this video. The archer seems to be ducking his head under the bow a little bit, I guess because it's a heavy bow. Why doesn't he raise the bow higher before the draw, the way I've seen done in Manchu archery? Wouldn't that help to make a heavy bow easier to draw? Is my impression of what's happening in the video incorrect?

[@TheWayofArchery]

I find it stronger not to raise the bow too high, because I want to keep my bow shoulder blade settled. But the essential "pushdown" motion of the Manchu draw and my draw are similar, just the starting positions may be different. Please see this article for more explanation: sites.google.com/corp/view/beyond-strength/home

[@faeizarcheryforfun914]

How many arrow spine do you use ? Master.

[@marcocammozzo7553]

Fantastic footage! Finally something to explain what fast shooting in a war context looks like. We're tired of seeing lars heiled like an accurate archer

[@Prideace93]

he is

[@ThorDonner-gw7eq]

Dear Justin! I'd describe you as more "athletic" than "average".

[@robsarchery9679]

nice

[@IronMikeyT]

im for sure we had ancestors who were atleast twice as fast. its like comparing a olympic boxer who started at the age of 5 to a person who picked up the sport late. they're gonna be light years ahead

[@Jack_Gatsby]

in addition, people back then are familiar with hard manual labors, so they are socially accustomed to physical exercise .

[@IronMikeyT]

@@Jack_Gatsby they were a different level of mental and physical strength. times have gotten easier for us. we arent built the same way we used to be

[@squamiger7720]

@@IronMikeyT it also might be the opposite. athletes today are dramatically better than athletes of 100, 50, and even 25 years ago. Modern sports training methods, diet, and medicine are the reason. People used to think the 4 minute mile was not physically possible; now, many high level college track athletes can break it

[@IronMikeyT]

@@squamiger7720 u talking about steroids while im talking about savages whos cut from a different cloth. the average man cant do 20 push ups. u comparing super athletes to the average soldier who can pull 200lb bows. show me regular citizens that can ride a horse and shoot war bows off of it. cause that was standard for mongols.

[@IronMikeyT]

@@squamiger7720 sorry but a 4 minute mile isnt a skill thats developed for war. ur not supposed to run

[@TeguhHardi]

awesomeee....i use 60 lbs and my back get hurt

[@andrewpickering8160]

Is this guy good or what

[@bernardputersznit64]

"200 pounds"? Was that more than exaggeration? I would love to see that

[@bernardputersznit64]

well I just found this at 170 lbs kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zl6VfH-rdq1nfbs

[@slimyoung2392]

南方power！

[@peterxyz3541]

Satire: (whiny voice) ...... it, but, but....there are other famous internet archers who could shoot a dozen in 2 seconds....... (with an ultra light bow, designed for entertaining than war). I love Lars showmanship but he’s not using a war bow. I love this channel for trying to lay down some real world knowledge into the internet masses