War Thunder Devs Respond to Sky Guardian's Feedback... and It goes exactly how you would expect...

[@twahtskie]

Gaijin doesn't play or understand their own game. In other news, the sky is blue and water is wet.

[@chukuma4760]

Water ain't wet, wet is when water is on something like ur hand

[@quality9299]

@@chukuma4760 shutup bruh

[@nothisismine]

@@chukuma4760 well technically we can’t feel water…we only feel the difference in temperature and touch…

[@raymarshall6721]

They very much understand. They were a Russian based company until a few years ago. All the way back do when they got rid of the 20-tier system for the battle rating system anything that was Russian at some form of artificial buff. This is the same company that said the yak 1 being the only monoplane beneath 2.3 battle rating was perfectly fine facing reserves every match with cannons. They are still the only nation who can put out engine and fuel tank fires like they never happened. The only people who say there isn't some form of bias in what they do is either Russian or primarily plays them in game.

[@mitchverr9330]

A friend of mine put it to me they think that this was an argument in bad faith by gaijin, looking at the graph they use where they cut off the "kill zone" to 10km, when the system can kill up to what, 18/20km is very much arguing in bad faith. "technically worse than the tor" lol.

[@arcturus960]

The graphs also state that the Russian missiles are already the best being superior to VT-1s

[@Янус_Ырт]

@@arcturus960 because they are, Russia relies heavily on anti air defence, far more than NATO countries

[@arcturus960]

@@Янус_Ырт yes but gaijin is saying that they are worse than their counterparts

[@Янус_Ырт]

@@arcturus960 lmao

[@Янус_Ырт]

@@arcturus960 snail issue

[@Xermaz]

gaijin : yak-141 will get irst because it is planned to get it, if its went to production also gaijin : we believe if the f-16aj went into production it will missing it's additional pylon, so we will not add the pylon like the brochure did, even though the offer was added armaments and additional pylon.

[@SteelxWolf]

They also said atm its a game limitation. Which I believe since swing win DMG models do not dynamically move with the visual model

[@yuki1zz668]

@@SteelxWolf while yes it might be a game limitation but they are a devolpers for a reason its not like they are making 70$ premiums and making dumb money of it especially with noobs that just want the mig 29 and f16 and are happy to spend that 70$ to get straight into that sweet 4th gen aircraft. from my pov gaijin is being lazy and greedy.

[@SteelxWolf]

@@yuki1zz668 I am usually for not giving benefit of the doubt but in this case I will. Although I expect to see some kind of demonstration why it cannot work. Gaijin totally ignored all questions and feedback regarding wing sweep damage models

[@yuki1zz668]

@@SteelxWolf I've never coded or made a game but I've studied on it for a little everything can be made possible the only "limitations" they are talking about is either time or money. Hence why they just want to copy paste the f16 without any work because Japan mains would gladly pay 70$ for the shitty F4 just grind the best f16 in the game. They're either lazy or don't want to pick a fight with USA mains but why even introduce a theoretical aircraft if they don't want to add it's actual armaments that it would've had but here we have the experimental yak 141 that apparently pulls more g's than the mig 29 it's hilarious.

[@Xermaz]

@SteelxWolf there's also a solution of making the landing gear cover 2 pieces, similar to the brochure. The top that attached to the missile modeled in x-ray as closed, and it can moved like usual landing gear, just like the tow launcher in the Bradley. Now the lower part can be blown up if the landing gear blown up as well.

[@Archmagos_Faber]

I saw a bug report on the forum saying that yak 141 couldn’t physically mount irst in the nose and flare were never mounted but gaijin don’t see that as an issue

[@lonelyone69]

I don't really care about the flares, but irst 😂

[@nothisismine]

Just like mig9 that’s gun didn’t work irl and used a broomstick

[@zoojuice7893]

If they wanted to give Russia a better SAM for PLANES they would've added the Osa or the Tor which they promised Russia was going to get when the Chinese one came out.

[@antoniojmols]

Russia: OP armour + Best Helis + Atackers + Best SAM. Anyone see a bias here?

[@stable-corn]

Russian bias is a real thing lol

[@GrundleLongDong]

I’d actually argue their armour isn’t op, it’s some of the best in game definitely, but I wouldn’t say op… However The combo you mention is true, some of the best tanks, the best cas and now guaranteed air superiority Oh yeah and a prototype which they gave capabilities that it outright shouldn’t have… and ofc the vtol fighter with small delta wings hauling 3 engines while only using one can outmanoeuvre an f16

[@GHOST_CROATIA]

​@@GrundleLongDong Actually lots of russian armor are incorectly modelled/manipulated to benefit russia. one example is the reduced spalling inside of their tanks.

[@GrundleLongDong]

@@GHOST_CROATIA that’s true, another example is the unrealistic ammo protection, a direct hit to the ammo should guarantee detonation in a Russian tank, however it’s highly inconsistent in game. But that still doesn’t make them op, they’re pretty easy to kill if you have the experience. If you have time to shoot then hit the driver port or lower plate, if you’re being pushed hit them in the breach (there’s a good amount of space to the left and right of the breach that can be penned by any shell with above 550mm of pen and that a guaranteed breach) from the side is easy hit the two crew members in the turret. They’re still some of the best tanks in game no one can deny that

[@GHOST_CROATIA]

@@GrundleLongDong Plus autoloading tanks have no "loading device" modelled. Irl any central pen would disable the loading system. But no, Z-boys would cry...

[@harrio7793]

Basically, because Russia has a bad AA they are adding a new AA which is better than any other AA thus meaning that Russia is far better than all others in this category rather than being slightly worse. Love the logic

[@cookiecracker2]

The amount of copium they must be inhaling to think the 2s6 is under performing must be monstrous

[@regulator0-62]

They need to add a new American AA like maybe a patriot battery that has a truck

[@SteelxWolf]

Patriot would just not be possible

[@regulator0-62]

Ya your right, it's still annoying how they completely ignore the fact that they have the best (everything).

[@Янус_Ырт]

@@SteelxWolf if you want patriot add S550 as counter LMAO

[@BringTheRain]

What about the $70 F-4S pre-order with the F-4C cockpit lmao

[@Masterhitman935]

Really love the pre order camo, but that price is too high for me to justify.

[@SteelxWolf]

Wait it had the 4Cs cockpit?????

[@Archmagos_Faber]

Could be a place holder but gaijin is super lazy and I would not be surprised if they just copy paste

[@BringTheRain]

@@SteelxWolf Yes - not only that, Gaijin actively deleted posts (including mine) that brought this up on their news. This isn't right... they shouldn't be selling something that is blatantly wrong IMO

[@IowanLawman]

Gaijin, YAK 141 didn't get IRST, BUT if it had been in service it would have! Well Gaijin, if the Milan was selected to be in service it was planned to have Flare Pods and the Mirage 2000s still doesn't have their gunpod and x4 Magic 2 loadouts. But hey, it isn't Rosiya so no buff for you )))))))

[@M3PH11]

also gaijin harrier gr.1 will never get flares again gaijn: harrier gr.1 will never go below 10.0

[@M0LOCK]

AGM88 can easily see all the rus SAM from 2S6 upwards since its radars are much similar to SA19s(2k22 also tuguska) they were all developed in the "POMAH"(Roman)rus air defense program...but idk if the rus ARMs can see the NATO ones...maybe thats why gaijin doesnt want to add that for now,it will make the life harder to red sons...

[@karambiatos]

radar is radar sead missiles can see them.

[@fredericklib4368]

The Thing about the F-16AJ landing gear mounted missles is complete lies about it not technically being possible, we have swing wing mounted weapons on the Tornado and they work fine as far as i can tell and the situation they describe with "what if the landing gear breaks off we cant delete the missle" Is a straight up LIE as far as i can tell . . . as in game you already have practically the same system in place if you break off your wing with munitions mounted to them disappearing. So it clearly isnt impossible since its all already ingame no? And the excuse of oh they didnt do it on other F-16s bc they probably had reasons for it is the WEAKEST argument i have ever heard not gonna lie

[@SteelxWolf]

It may have to do with the location of the missile mount.

[@hkknbgmoniz4167]

Gaijin: anti-radiation missiles probably cant lock on to most SAM units in game so we arent going to develop them. Also Gaijin: Enjoy your WWII tanks with unmanned machine guns mounted atop your tanks as well as the camera drone you use to operate your vehicle in 3rd person. Also, your breech got blown out? Just park behind a tree and the 2 remaining crew members will have that swapped out with a new one in approximately 35 seconds.

[@swan_kytiger]

theres more tanks than aircraft 2:09 US teams at mid tier getting the whole air force involved:

[@kennethmasters9329]

All I hear is crying from people who play tank battles to get into aircraft.

[@SteelxWolf]

Then you would be wrong

[@Kamil666O6]

You are partialy right. But let me tell you a story. It took place around year ago i think (correct me if im wrong) when there was a plane called mig 27. It had no problem climbing high up and drop straight down with airbrakes out, throwing rockets at innocent tanks, ruining their matches. Spaas could not kill it due to it not rendering for some reason. And it was doing it, ruining match after match. But then something happend. Plane with dedicated air to air radar started to appear, they where able to stop the mig rampage and restore the ballance. But now, the mig teammates are getting a new weapon, one that can track and kill the air to air radar planes the moment they spawn. Don't you think the history will repeat itself, and mig will again be able to destroy tanks uncontested? I will give you some time to think about it. I wonder what conclusion you will get to.

[@sonork6219]

Just add anti-rad missiles it would fix the problem

[@veritusahriman9720]

The problem with this update is that ONLY Russia is getting an AA upgrade, while other nations need updates FAR more.

[@GrundleLongDong]

Exactly, I’m actually fine with there being better spaa, cas is extremely powerful But what this does is makes Russia unbeatable, with the range of the pansir and its capability it automatically guarantees air superiority for Russia, who already has the best cas in game (the helicopters give it the edge over America). This means Russia will literally be unbeatable, they can take their bvm (again, one of the best tanks in game) and rush two caps then camp both spawns… This actually might be the single most op thing added to this game, even over the 2a6 (for those who don’t remember when the 2a6 came it had unpennable armour, a round that could pen everything, everywhere on all vehicles and the speed to reach the enemy spawn before the first shot was fired, it remained op for almost a year but finally got nerfed and all other nations caught up… I really hope this isn’t the same situation)

[@thebirbestbirb]

and the 2S6 is already a great AA

[@joshjonson2368]

​​@@GrundleLongDong inb4 they give russua the black eagle in thus year's events, heck they've greenlit the 2s38 and yak141 already anything is possible at this point lol

[@VERTIGO1327]

They have to fix the F-16 FM for such an iconic aircraft and one that my dad flew, this game disrespects it so much

[@Kami_Ikari]

the Tunguska is actually the only SAM that I somehow not manage to evade consistently... and now they slap it on a truck so it has even less problems with ground occlusion.. with more range... guess it's a No-Fly-Zone as soon USSR/Russia is in the enemy team...

[@chris.tarlagias]

1:04 they are talking about the M2

[@SteelxWolf]

Yeah but either way the TOR M1 would suffice. They were pushing the goalpost for no reason

[@chris.tarlagias]

@@SteelxWolf The M2 has a way way way better missile than the Tor m1 but yea they should have added the M2 before it

[@darjeelingdelise]

basically the reason Pantsir introduced is just becasue so many russian players having skill issue on Tunguska? lmao what a joke

[@lonelyone69]

Up next gaijin adds s300 because russian players can't aim aa guns. And so therefore need to wipe any aircraft off the face of the earth from 60km away.

[@darjeelingdelise]

And then gaijin keep milking Russia and denying the facts how overpowered Russia is compared to US and Germany I won't be surprised if they add Su-24 that will probably have the same loadout like MIG-27 in this year that could ruin the Ground RB more

[@tazzie165]

They still did fuck-all about sim and infact, made it worse. Still beyond fkn ridiculously expensive.

[@MeWhne]

"Other nations have SPAA better than Tunguska." *Adds 18km Missiles on Pantsir* Japan, Isreal and Italy left in the dust

[@stevenguzman2049]

A7E is going to be hell to play

[@UchihaMadaraGr]

And i will respond to them by not playing the game... I play the game 10 years something... As much as i like planes and the general idea of a game with planes (mainly) the answers those people (DEVs) are pulling off... yeah, no. I'm really hoping for a similar game to come , with other people in the helm that have common sense and sense what balance is. They don't want historical balance because a bad vehicle would be bad, yet their artificial balance is even worse. And as i've played most nations to the top level and all game modes it offers ... yeah, in terms of balance those people are stupid... directly. It's not only the Pantsir, that doesn't even affect me much because i can not play GRB at all and i won't care at all... But it is everywhere . They add things without really caring about the results...

[@Derjulian01]

i dont have complete max top tier but even i know that the pantsir-s1 was completly unnecessary... "oh in our opinion the russians got currently the worst top tier AA... yeah lets add an OP AA so russia is on top on that too"

[@l.a.xgunner]

The TOR-M1 does have IRST

[@perotroniks9923]

I was so hype when they say tgat they add 4 gen aircraft for japan and tgey add copy version of amercican f16 and they order to wait for that crap to the next update why they dobt add prototype of f2 witch less powerful rockets like aim 7 or aim 9l ora f15j but they add pantsir 1 witch 20km AA range rockets thats stupied as hell Nice video btw

[@carlosdowell4861]

I like how we are all collectively hating the fact that Russia got a new SPAA that they didn’t need like dude give Italy a new SPAA or do something Italy doesn’t even have an SPAA that can fight anything other than Helios and it’s at 11.0

[@SteelxWolf]

Well the problem is, which I forgot to mention is we have come to the point where there simply is not AA that exists which can be added for players to use. Pantsir now powercreeps everyone and there simply isnt a missile system out there that rivals it. Patriots are sites, stationary complexes. That simply is not workable for WT

[@fosterparent7477]

SxW reminds me of Donnie from How to Photoshop.

[@fosterparent7477]

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[@Sumi_S]

Games gonna become even more unrealistic

[@sharkk127]

I am ways happy to see better aa ingame cause I've had enough of cas, just when the now best aa is russian thats kinda bs

[@lonelyone69]

Lmao the nation with some of the best CAS jets gets the best aa in the game 😂😂😂

[@thebirbestbirb]

the 2S6 is already a capable platform as well

[@onlyarandomusername]

the tor missiles are so damn FAT. they're very sluggish to control

[@M3PH11]

6:18 not long till they get the best mbt in the game either. And people say there is no russian bias.

[@spitfiremn95]

Tor m2 they mean!

[@spitfiremn95]

Comparing there missile tor m2 are superior

[@lonelyone69]

Can someone explain why they need new AA when everyone is being blasted out the sky by op 2s38s that aren't even developed or being produced yet. I don't think I've died to aa in cas it's always been ifvs with that dumb as fuck "aa fire control" mod.

[@ivanbarbancon8750]

Typically, Gaijin inventing arguments to justify an OP addition despite community feedback. Remember 2S38 ? Irl, it’s development isnt complete, it’s ammo not even CREATED. So how could gaijin add this, when ammo is not done at all… really. Gaijin turns to be just like wargaming. Russian devs used to ruin their own game after few years. Ps: I play war thunder from 2013, and I am bored by those devs

[@factsforlife0O0]

They nerfed premium time secretly and didnt tell anyone i avg before the update i avg 12k rp per game in equal rp in my A-10 premium since the update dropped i now AVG 13k rp to mods on my premium A-10 and 6k rp to the F-16 i would have the F-16 unlocked in 2 days with the A-10 with premium time but now its going to take me a long time since the premium nerf and they did that to make even more money and its at the point where i waisted 6 years of my life on this game spent over 1k on this game because i liked the game A LOT but now im thinking about selling my account for 100$ because im done with the secret nerfs

[@cubanspy1231]

Westoids mad 💀💀

[@SteelxWolf]

Eastoids Bad 🤡

[@stable-corn]

Idk it’s kinda weird lol Russia just got the mig29 now they’re getting the yak141+Pantsir and every other country is just getting a copy and paste f16

[@lonelyone69]

I don't understand why they're getting yak 141 mig 29 is literally fine... It's like they need to give their russian mains the stimulation of seeing a new shiny thing every patch. I don't think I've seen a season update without a new russian vehicle.

[@Kamil666O6]

Every other nathion huh? *starts drinking tea* let me tell you about a UK, that gets a tornado. *starts eating baguette* let me tell you about a France, that gets a mirage.

[@55....]

lol

[@redterror7242]

Russa at top tier is op as f**% and know there getting more op stuff?!