WARFRAME | TENNOCON 2023 THOUGHTS AND WHAT I NOTICED

Alright, I know I'm a little late to things but... It took me a while to research some of this stuff so... Without further ado, here's what caught my eye during the reveals of both The Whispers in the Walls quest as well as Warframe 1999, with my thoughts on some of the other changes coming to warframe as well. Enjoy!!!
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[@cornyboi932]

We need to start decoding the Voidtongue to understand all of this new info.

[@TheDsIEGE]

You're right! I feel like there's so much we'll come back and realize was sitting right there the whole time in what was said!

[@Ace_2O2]

Ever since Revenant prime, I‘ve seen Wally as a veteran Troll, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s just saying random gibberish to fuck with us.

[@quantumblauthor7300]

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[@4beamn]

I tried my best to write lyrics on the battle music in the background. There is an isolated video of it on KZbin

[@4beamn]

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[@gsamalot]

I do like the idea of warframe 1999 being the real dark sector and the one we played was more or less a movie

[@TheDsIEGE]

Yes, that was a very cool way to incorporate things, and I felt like i was looking at a warframe division 2 mash up, which made me very happy!

[@Jukantos]

I can't help but speculate that it's going to heavily lean into the same kind of narrative elements used by "12 Monkeys". It's a FANTASTIC movie.

[@badreedinebedro]

@@Jukantoscould warframe 1999 get has its own story quest over time it’s said it’s going part of warframe maybe it’s going to be like a new kind of location and you could has new story quest and not like duvri but you can explore as your own warframe

[@Jukantos]

@@badreedinebedro based on all the story bits and pieces and lore they set up through whispers in the walls, it's definitely a more story driven expansion, i'd expect it to not add a new playable environment but rather just a chunky one-time quest experience a la The New War. One where we go to the titular year of 1999 and try to rescue Albrecht from Wally (or to feed him to his Cavia if you're like me and you think he is a monster not worth saving based on his previous actions).

[@Neon-jn3sp]

What if Entrati became Wally and then realized the only way to free himself from eternal suffering was to create a scenario in which the ones he knew of while he was human had to be kept alive until they were powerful enough to destroy himself as Wally

[@TheDsIEGE]

Absolutely possible. Could be why he had loid imprison his human self in that vessel.

[@higueraft571]

​@@TheDsIEGEOops, Bootstrap Paradox time...

[@agingerbeard]

​​@@higueraft571if eternalism is true, would/could it negate a bootstrap paradox?

[@higueraft571]

​@@agingerbeard It likely cant, but theoretically it would be REQUIRED to interact to fulfill the conditions if it does affect it to any significant degree... If we took *Homestuck's* rules for this sort of system: It IS possible to divert from the "Alpha Timeline", but the consequences would be fucking DIRE (typically death or deletion). Although, theoretically it's also possible for a more... generous system to simply break the Loop without breaking something else.

[@kevinpaap2890]

Eh. Possible but not entirely likely. How would Albrecht know the Tenno then? They are needed for the Kalymos sequence to wake the sleeper and pilot the vessel, but Albrecht must have sealed himself away much before then Tenno even awakened. How could I know this? Wally doesn’t make his debut until Chains Of Harrow when Rell finally passes away and can’t hold Wally back anymore. So unless Albrecht knew the Zariman children personally (sus) or he somehow was able to see what Wally has been doing across spacetime, it’s not likely.

[@srbingham]

My take on the great indifference encountered in Entrati's lab is that his lab is so adjacent to the Void that pockets of semi reality (like Duviri) drifting through the void will sometimes clash with ours or other pockets. So the "Great Indiference" could be the remnants of some long lost civilization that was swallowed by the void. Regarding the 1999, I have two theories. One, that it's not the Operator who knew how to use the computer, it's Excalibur. Theory 2: Tenno power to "tame" Warframes isn't just about therapizing them. It's because we take on the memories and "soul" to become them. That's why the Man in the Wall thinks it's good that we remember killing Umbra's son, *because that's how the deal works.* Theory 2 electric Boogaloo: as before Operator Transference works because we "make a deal" with the warframes to know their story and continue their mission. Warframe 1999 and subsequent quests may have us do micromissions as the humans who became all of our Warframes, holding up our end of the deal. The reason we could do it before now is because Wally "lent us" that power, but now we have to do the work. Extra theory 2: all the Warframes hated the Orokin throughout all history. Maybe we slaughtered the Orokin *for* the Warframes, to finish the missions of the people they were.

[@TheDsIEGE]

I like all of this but mostly the idea of the warframe being able to access the computer, that is an angle I did not consider...

[@FerunaLutelou]

Your Excalibur theory doesn't work cause these kinds of quests can be completed using any warframe.

[@quantumblauthor7300]

What if the Great Indifference is all sand and stone because it's the dust of every reality that's ever been collapsed out of existence from Wally's 'deals?'

[@srbingham]

@@FerunaLutelou except for the Sacrifice which required Umbra and Skiajat, and The New War which required Paracesis. I could see a series of Warframe centered quests that require a specific warframe to trigger. All that said I think it's most likely the Operator that did it. I think the "Vessels" (the giants) are like Cerebro for Transference, allowing the Operator (or other reflections like Entrati) the ability to use Transference across time, space, and reality. In this case into possibly the "first" Excalibur. Now, the darker side to this is: When they logged into the computer, and the Vessel twitched and "woke up." Was it because the Tenno was Transfering *in* to the Vessel? Or was it because whatever conciousness resides inside the Vessel *logged out* of *us*? Is there another level of "remote" behind the Tenno? NecraLoid had said that the Sleeper (human Loid) must awaken before the Vessels do, if the Vessels exist to transfer *into,* then what would awakening even do to them? But if they are where the controlling conciousness for the Tenno/Operator/Drifter resides... who is that conciousness?

[@UmbraFulgur]

From 1999 to rise of the Orokin Empire are at least 1000 years, remember we have to learn to travel to the stars first, after that few nuclear wars who scorched entire Solar System (present Origin System), rising of the Orokin, their evolution, Tau System, the Void, the Void experiments, Helminth strain, creation of the Sentients, Old War, Zariman Ten-Zero and apparition of the Tenno, victory against Sentients, Tenno treason and the fall of the Orokin, Tenno going to sleep for another thousand to in-game present time. So, none of your theories doesn't work. In 1999 we don't have yet the Orokin, nor their technology, no Void virus, so no infestation, and most of all no Tenno and no warframes. What we do have is The Technocyte virus and superhumans thanks to Dr. Albrecht Entrati arrival in that distant past.

[@Psycorde]

I think the quote regarding Voidtongue simply meant that what Albrecht first thought of as meaningless gibberish ended up being something more, which would of course be terrifying, considering the implication But you're probably right that he likely learned more about it than he shared, perhaps it's a tool that allowed him to shape the Void and build all this.

[@TheDsIEGE]

To me it seemed like loid didn't know which it was, and to me that's scary given that it appears that someone, most likely entrati has a very good command of the words and what they do.

[@Cerxen]

You fight Nihil in the weave of cephalo s where he escaped the Tenno by using the Jade light (or some version of it) on himself. So Nihils form is just a large version of himself since you effectively fight him in "Cyberspace". Also right before the 1999 reveal, when you first activate the large Orokin bodies, the sleeper says that the process was incomplete, and they were missing something (which I believe is the void the Tenno have).

[@godzelda123]

I think 1999 is an alternate universe/reality that remixes the events of Warframe's story in a modern setting. Could even be Albretch's own Duviri in a way, perhaps based on his memories of old earth manifesting

[@ERBanmech]

Warframe 1999 definitely explains why grandmother is into hoverboards. Her husband went to the 90’s

[@dogkeeper7228]

The xata requiem diary entry on deimos now combined with Albrecht being present in 1999 makes me wonder if “orokin” were doing continuity as far back as the year 1999 or earlier.

[@TheDsIEGE]

It's getting pretty crazy with what the orokin or at least this orokin were actually capable of, right???

[@UmbraFulgur]

The Orokin doesn't exist in 1999. From our in-game present, we have to go back 1000 years to the falling of the Orokin and at least another 1000 to 1999.

[@dogkeeper7228]

Maybe they are Egyptian or something 😅

[@dogkeeper7228]

When Ahlbrecht talks about the past i just assumed he was doing so from learned knowledge of his people’s history, I didn’t consider he was speaking from first hand experiences. But if you listen to it again while accepting he was alive all that time ago…oh boy

[@higueraft571]

​@@UmbraFulgurAnd yet, as the year strikes 2000, we AREADY see their influence. "Arthur"'s rifle stock has the same detailing the Orokin would use, and Entrati is already present. While it began in a similar World, it definitely isnt ours.

[@ScorchedIce]

Hearing you talk about the one who came back actually being wally for who knows how long, makes so much sense to me when I think about the giant hand that was missing a finger, reaching into Duviri. The fact that we know that a scholar who was most likely Albrecht passed through Duviri, knowing that Wally was actively trying to break in and get a hold of the islands makes me think that that HAD to be the real Albrecht. Otherwise, if he'd been the doppleganger, why would he bother reaching in trying to gain a hold of Duviri, if he already made it inside? Perhaps real Albrecht fled into other timelines or Duviri after he realized Wally was most likely the one in control of the original "him", perhaps conceptual embodiment saved the "real" Albrecht allowing him to flee elsewhere and work out how to stop The Man in the Wall.

[@TheDsIEGE]

YES! Now... I wonder if the scene with loid crushing his container had anything to do with sending his conscious to duviri? Maybe in a way that he couldn't be disturbed under any circumstance. He had a whole lab and such in duviri... is this area we see part of that?

[@ScorchedIce]

@@TheDsIEGE I think it's time to scour the caves of Duviri once again... or maybe re-interpret the duviri fragments under these new ideas 🤔 I'll definitively pay a close look next time I'm there...

[@cullysloy2705]

I'm hyped. I love your work.

[@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750]

I like to the the Man In The Wall is why everything has happened. Like, It let Entrati into the Void so it could get into Reality, to impersonate him while trapping the real Entrati in an infinite illusion of his life. While the Man In the Wall orchestrated the Zariman incident, the Old War, the fall of the Empire, the New War, etc. All towards some mysterious end goal

[@horse-headstudios7265]

I think as Warframe 1999 draws closer, it would be wise to look at dark sectors story and lore for clues

[@TheDsIEGE]

Yep, I'm gonna start my research to see where the connections exist. After all, the skins from dark sector are already in the game, lol

[@kahrainr3155]

I'm thinking that 1999 might be the story of the creation of the 3 starter frames, even though we only saw/heard two in the Tennocon demo. Excalibur and Mag. Though I also recognize that there is definitely void shenangians going on too, and it may actually be the events that followed Albecht's failed initial void experiment. (Via eternalism, he also simultaneously succeeded in the experiment, and that's the universe the Tenno occupy.) Whatever came out of the void that day? When I heard they added knocking in the Necralisk I reviewed the logs, and I think that both Albrecht and Kalymos have taken Kuva, and done so multiple times over the course of several lifetimes. Only he decided to stop as time approached the end of the Orokin empire, and decided on a different method to get to where they need to be in time. I suspect standing with the Tenno against whatever may be coming.

[@TheDsIEGE]

there's definitely something to loid locking him and kalymos into that vessel. I suspect the quest itself will delve into what happened there and we might have that answer, but it definitely sounds plausible.

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

This being the story of the creation of the three starter frames would make no sense whatsoever. It would retcon everything we already know. about the world and setting.

[@sigmawiki2495]

8:01 about ordis, in lore reagrds I understand it as that he is not an imprint of the original ordis but an transformation of him into the chephalon.

[@ghostcarp]

Hey Siege, I just got back into Warframe and I'm glad to see you're making vids again. Very thought provoking content, as always :)

[@LilithLonelyHeart]

8:00 Well at least in the case of Ordis we know his body is dead, he was dying and wanted to sacrifice what was left of his life for one last act of defense by trying to kill Orokin, just to learn bastards keep coming back And the Warframe 1999 showcase kind of feeds into my old headcanon I had for my old quest idea... which feels both terrifying and exciting at the same time... so shortly the idea is that before the Zariman incident and Old War, there was a group of warriors using seemingly magical powers granted by not so abundant back then Void energy, they later became the inspirations for various Warframe types and are also responsible for why Levirian entries on Warframes seem to be more like about characters rather than about a generic nth copy of specific Warframe... again feels weird considering I never made that specific idea public(tho sharing it more and more now), also wasn't expecting to get thrown right back into Dark Sector times

[@TheDsIEGE]

yeah, I think 1999 is going to re contextualize the leverian in a lot of ways!

[@LilithLonelyHeart]

@@TheDsIEGE I mean so far we didn't have Levirian entries on the supposed origins for the 2 Warframes we had "originals" in the 1999 trailer, Excalibur and Mag (we can hear Aoi using Mag powers) so if DE planned for it for while but just wanted to have a clear backlog with New War and Duviri, would explain why we didn't have these yet

[@bnightm]

In my head canon, the void used to be a plane of pure chaos. No man in the wall. No intention. Pure indifference. When Albrecht Entrati's experiment failed and he fell into the void, he tainted it, imprinting on it. Hence the faces in walls, the sky, etc. This incident created the man-in-the-wall entity and it (or parts of it) escaped the void. The Tenno have a similar origin story in that they were exposed to the void during a failed void jump. The void appeared to them as a doppelganger. I imagine the overall effect on the void of that encounter was smaller (Duviri) since the void had at this point already been universally altered by Albrecht. Perhaps only one of them can exist in the real world at the same time. So when Albrecht goes into the pod in the beginning of the trailer (perhaps to visit Duviri) he is in effect leaving room for the man in the wall. In the Warframe 1999 trailer Aoi says "Nearly done with this bitch of a year. I wish we could just start over. Find that Dr. Entrati bastard on day one." suggesting he is either the cause of (or perhaps a useful ally in the fight against) the technocyte outbreaks. Perhaps future Entrati set it up so the man-in-the-wall would manifest at that time.

[@thimovijfschaft3271]

I believe most of what we see is created by the Man In The Wall. As soon as the knocking started, people started to lose memories like they never happened, people get weird dreams. And suddenly Albrecht looks entirely different from his portraits, statues and desciptions, and has technology from the 90s that feel out of place. The Man In The Wall, wanted us to come to Deimos. And I believe he is doing so to show us that he can manipulate time and space as he pleases now. He broke free, we are his toys, and there's nothing to stop him.

[@Tirreger]

I loved this years TennoCon.. it was an amazing time.. Rebb and the Team have done a great job.. they are still very awkward on stage at times.. but I hope that never changes. I am so happy to have you back making videos.. I said it before I say it again.. you are the VaatiVidya of Warframe Lore for me.. and I enjoy every second of listening to your speculations and thoughts.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Thank you so much! And yes, I might get some flak for this next comment but... I think the direction Steve was taking the game in was getting a bit "long in the tooth" if you catch my meaning. It needed a fresh perspective and Rebb and whoever she's creating with have quite literally brought me back and wanting to play again. So... my resurgence really is the work of the warframe team!

[@lewdlemur8899]

@@TheDsIEGE Its not too far off imo, didnt Steve himself said that he was simply loosing passion for Warframe aswell, wich is reasonable after working on a single game for such a long amount of time. Not saying that he did a bad job, but obviously with fading passion, the end product suffers aswell

[@Scroll_Keeper]

I have heard another theory that I find super interesting: that in the introduction where Albrecht enters that pod, that's really him (which is why his farewell to Loid looks so genuine and heartfelt) and he entered that pod to trap Wally in there with him. Like if Rell's transference loop trap was made by the greatest void scientist to exist. And 1999 is *his* dream and memory instead of being a tangible reality, like how Duviri was manifested from the Drifter's understanding of the storybook. It's especially interesting that if this is true, Albrecht's personal demons could be continuing to be manifested as the Man in the Wall because he's still in a second dream of his own and it's his duality that is bringing ruin to the origin system and it's up to us to set both sides of this poor man to rest. Whatever the case I am also the most excited I've ever been in 10 years of playing and instead of leaving me with no answers this TennoCon has sparked so many fascinating questions in my lorehead brain and I keep finding more everywhere I look! Like all of those years are finally coming to a head sooner than I ever imagined. Thank you so much for these videos, I only found your channel today and you've easily put into words everything I've been struggling to define clearly for years. Really appreciate it so much and I am sending your videos to all of my friends who play! Looking forward to the next one!

[@TheBlackFisk]

Favorite person for that Warframe discussion

[@yanlucasdf]

me theory is that entrari discovered that his dopelganger was acting like him,fooling everyone with the perfect disquise of the doctor that discover the void, and because he could do much to stop him told the only person that he could trust, loid, to lock himself in the casket if he took the kuva wallie would probally have a perfect vessel, so he lock himself, throw the keys outside and to make sure ask loid to break the lock shut

[@netherbrine5902]

Perhaps this was the technocyte that Arthur was fighting? The technocyte were from Dark Sector and are similar to the Infested in certain ways. AND I AM SO CONFUUUSED WITH ALBRETCH ENTRATI?!?!? (Like, how many versions of him exist at this point?!)

[@Ithirahad]

No more than two. Potentially less.

[@C0mput3-]

I love hearing actual Wally saying “Rap Tap Tap” at 6:10

[@TheDsIEGE]

Nice catch on that!!!

[@rodrigopinto9804]

So I know the video isn’t even out yet buuuuuuuuuut since I won’t be able to watch the video right away and have had these theories since Tennocon happened, I thought I’d share it regardless. Plus it’ll be interesting to see if my theories were actually close to the ons presented in the video or if I’m just a crazy guy that just so happens to like Warframe’s Lore. Anyway, I present you with: First Theory: Remember when Entrati was unsure if he or Wally came back? This plays off of it. When Entrati entered the Void and saw his twin aka Wally, he was the one who stayed behind and Wally was the one who escaped. Being trapped in the Void for Wally knows how long, Entrati could’ve started to go insane and mix those Emotions with Conceptual Embodiment and 1999 was created, much like how the Drifter created Duviri during the Zariman Accident. I like this Theory but it does have some holes to fill. First, if this had happened, how would the Orokin have gotten their hands on Wally’s Finger? Would he just cut it off himself and give the Orokin the power to do Void Travel? I don’t think so. Secondly, if it were Wally, would no one else have noticed him and his change in behaviour? I mean Wally is surely a prized actor but even Entrati’s own family and Loid and all the people close to him wouldn’t notice how he had changed? I don’t know… Theory Numero Two: During the Whispers of the Wall Demo, we see that Entrati entered a coffin like structure, presumably to sleep? He is refered to as The Sleeper (no The Sleeper is not that big ass Orokin Man thing, he is refered to as a Vessel). Doesn’t this ring a bell? Sleep, Second Dream you know sleep things dream things. What if the 1999 “Reality” was accidentaly created by Entrati during his Sleep? Think about it, when you’re Sleeping you think of some wild shit, I mean I would give you an example but it’s better not to cuz you know what I mean. Alright I’m going on too much. Entrati sleeps, he dreams of 1999 and, seen as his Lab had a lot of Void things, it reacts to his dreams and makes them real somewhere in the Void. Assuming he slept a long time, this could make some sense right? I think so. El Last Teoria: Warframe 1999 happens during the normal Timeline. Yeah. How? Well, are you familiar with the Radiation Wars? If not then it’s mentioned in the XATA Entry in the Necralisk near the Cosmic Clock. The Radiation Wars is said by Entrati to be some sort of event that predated the Orokin Empire’s own existance, when humans were still humans type shit. It’s never said if Entrati was or not alive during the Radiation Wars but for this theory to make some semblance of sense we have to assume he was. In the Warframe 1999 Demo, Arthur and Aoi were looking for Dr. Entrati (Doctor before he became a Scientist maybe). Why they were looking for Entrati? Because Entrati could have the means to stop the Radiation Wars. Anyway, Arthur finds Entrati and Kalymos (da Cat) but it wasn’t really Entrati (more on it later). I think this theory could make sense. If you think about it, after the Radiation Wars, the Orokin with their VASTLY SUPERIOR technology was what started the Empire. But like did they just stumble into a rock and became super powerful? Well no. We know for a fact that Entrati basically kickstarted Orokin Technology related to the Void so maybe during the Radiation Wars, Entrati was developing his Void stuff to potentially prevent humanity from collapsing with itself during this War. There are some things that are wrong with this though. If this is true, it doesn’t explain how Entrati would be able to craft and study Void and Void Tech stuff. We assume that he stepped into the Void for the first time on Deimos because of the shape of the door seen in the Heart and in the weird glyph thing during one of the Requiem Recordings in the Necralisk. This can or can’t be true, he could’ve stepped into the Void from anywhere else but how? I mean the world was vastly less techy during the time of the Radiation Wars when the goal was to kill everybody else. Ultimately it’s probably gonna be something else or perhaps a combination of all 3 who knows, I mean this is DE we’re talking about. There’s just something that doesn’t make sense in the Second and Third Theories. What in the all fuck is Wally doing there? In Theory 3 it could make sense, he could be trying to prevent 1999 Entrati from closing the Portal and allow him to be set free much earlier. But like, in the New War, wasn’t he freed already? Are there multiple Wallys? Wallies? Walls? Is Wally like a fixed point in Time and Space, so there is only 1 Wally for all other Realities? Wally continues to be a mystery and I continue not being able to give a definitive answer because of this 18+ naked man with four arms and legs that probably has some r34 about him at this point (please don’t search that) Ahem, anyway… As I said, Wally is still a mystery and to be honest, we don’t even know what is end goal is. Until now, this all seems like some sort of joke to him. If he knows what’s gonna happen of course it’s a joke, I mean I’d laugh too if I knew people would do that exact thing, but after a while I’d maybe start altering events to make them do something different because I’d just be bored. This could be Wally’s endgame right? Changing events so that Reality doesn’t end the way it is supposed to end? Ahhh who knows, I surely don’t. For all we know Wally could be a fucking Kubrow who lost his toy and is looking for it across the ocean of Void or something. Anyway, I sincerely hope you didn't get brain damage after reading these theories I made while literally on the Toilet and I hope there is some actual value to the things I spent like 10 minutes thinking about. Also, if Mr. Siege reads this, I love your videos, keep making the world a better place man. Anyone who reads this gets 100 Platinum. I’m broke so no plat…

[@GlyphicEnigma]

Me when 100 plat: :D also me, when no plat: D:

[@DEvilgodspidER]

:))) I'll share my thoughts again, I'm very interested too see your thoughts

[@montypython5521]

As far as I know it still hasn't been explained how Orokin die. Assuming they didn't abandon the concept, in the conclave Teshin talks of Oro(kin?) and how only one that possess Oro can kill another with it which is why others can destroy warframes frames but not kill tenno. In Ordis's story he manages to kill the bodies of some Orokin but they don't die. If you can kill an Orokin and they don't die where do they go? In Ordis's story they still inhabited the destroyed bodies(for a while at least), but we know that they do eventually need new bodies and it's implied that they have to steal them from real people and can't factory make them -- otherwise there's no point in them kidnaping people to steal their body then changing how it looks when they could just make a better longer lasting one. In the glassmaker quest we don't kill Nihil we lock him in the thingy. This all comes to my main point that we don't know how to actually kill an Orokin, we don't know how kuva actually works or what it even is, and we don't know what happens if they stop taking kuva. When he says he won't take any more kuva the implication is that he will die with his body, but as we've seen it's not so easy to kill an Orokin. Mother is adamant that the real Albrecht is still alive and I'm inclined to think she's right.

[@TheMadvertiser]

The opening of the mission when we see that liquid surface reacting to the "voidtongue", reminds me a lot of when Mr. Shadow calls Zorg in the movie The Fifth Element. D:

[@TheDsIEGE]

Oh yeah, lol!!!! Good catch!

[@thegamertrio6827]

The term Loid uses to describe the void-scape that appeared in the lab "This great indifference" sounded familiar to me, I think it something Palladino describes the void as if I remember, also the 3 void words spoken when that void-scape appeared reminds me of Rell's 'Rap-Tap-Tap' line as it also goes from the right audio channel to the left channel to right behind you, altho the first 2 words you hear are the same leading me to believe it could be like some void reflection where the 'Rap' is after the 'Tap-Tap', also the loid we know, the construct has never been called a cephalon, if my memory serves Otak was a cephalon that was stored in Loid's body to save him from the infestation, the other Entrati family members (Mother most of all) refer to Loid as 'the Necraloid' I don't think its ever been explicitly said he was a cephalon which implied he was either more or something else which with the real Loid being alive would imply that to be true as i believe the process of being turned into a cephalon results in the death of the original body. I also think that Warframe 1999 will tie in Dark Sector more to Warframe, it certainly seems to imply that, its possibly that Arthur is a code name of sorts with his suit looking like Excalibur (makes sense thematically) and could be Dark Sectors protagonist Hayden Tenno, or at least some sort of multiversal/erternalism version of him and his universe that is being accessed via void travel

[@DEADTEAMXXIII]

Fun Fact the song from The 1999 Trailer is called "Into The Void" by nine inch nails released in the year 1999.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Yeah it feels so 90's too. Given that time was one of the best times of my life, that whole scene in the mall feels... familiar. And yes, I don't believe Arthur wearing and essentially wielding excalibur is no coincidence!

[@stigmatoxin1310]

one thing we must keep in mind is that what they showed is just a demo of what's to come. meaning what you see is subject to change. so there's still a chance that the albrecht we see at the end might end up being the real albrecht when 1999 comes out. it also means that DE might elect to use a slightly different excalibur skin because the one they used in the demo is literally the default skin, with all the symbols and orokin writing saying "hayden tenno." the writing is indicative of the existence of tenno, which wouldnt exist in 1999. of course, this is only assuming that the 1999 excalibur is the first warframe. and it depends on DE's intention with that update, we dont know if that takes place in the past of the core timeline, an alternate timeline, or in a completely different universe spider-verse style. right now, my money is on the idea that albrecht modified an existing excalibur warframe so that arthur could wear and use it. this would explain why arthur, a normal human, has such a hard time using its abilities. this hearkens back to what we learned in The Silver Grove quest. Archimedian Silvana couldnt physically tolerate transference for long periods of time. also, did you notice that the lady in the intercom used a Mag ability? so Arthur isnt the only one with a frame. maybe we'll get a volt-user as well

[@devakadex9588]

I just hate having to wait another year, hopefully itll be well worth it this time. I mean duviri was cool but i finished it and got bored within abt 4 or 5 hours of it so idk. But this update looks cool too i love the metro part wouldn't it be sick if we could free roam around a small part of this new city area

[@heyguysiguessthatsit4610]

Great video as always, cant wait for the next few updates

[@emperorblastoff7841]

I’m really excited for this update can’t wait to be a space wizard

[@TheDsIEGE]

You're a Wizard, @emperorblastoff7841, and a thumpin good one I'd wager!

[@ghostlyroosta2709]

This one oughta be juicy. Tennocon's mysteries are about to be under siege--- D siege 😏

[@TheDsIEGE]

I may have to use this line at some point, just saying, lol. I'll give you full credit tho!

[@ghostlyroosta2709]

Hell yeah Lol @@TheDsIEGE maybe use it next time u talk about the 'man in the wall' Walls are always under siege 😅👍

[@GlyphicEnigma]

*james bond theme plays in the background*

[@michaelcoleman9044]

D!! I been missing your videos brother! Good to see you again!

[@johnmivule-novabow8143]

Ayy Glad to have you back, and I agree this years tennocon has rejunivated my excitement for Warframe. Can't wait to see how Whispers in the Wall /WF1999 play out as well. I have so many questions, some answered and others still pending. But yeah, this is going to be an interesting arc for Warframe. Also during the WF1999 gameplay, if Arthur was a reference to the First Excal from Dark Sector, maybe the voice that was helping him (AOI) could be Mag (Proto Mag). At least that's what Im thinking, anyway, happy hunting Tenno.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Definitely possible! I didn't think of that but someone else said that this might show us why the three starter frames are the starter frames. That is a story I want to hear!!

[@johnmivule-novabow8143]

Ayy most definitely, I can't wait to see how they play this out. Hella excited right now@@TheDsIEGE

[@movieatrssmaker]

hype for the new content is real but its nice to feel validated about how iv been feeling something was up with loid since day 1

[@CaptainVien]

Been awhile seige nice to see your vids in my feed again!

[@technobabb4233]

My interpretation is a bit... Simplistic, but ever since I saw the "great indifference", I took it to represent "The Wall" that The Man In The Wall is trapped within. Literally stepping into the walls.

[@SoyshiroFR]

I can't wait !

[@PRchris13]

I think the guy we saw at the start of WitW demo was Albrecht The real one, he used the coffin to maybe lock in Wally , since you explained from the recordings He was questioning who escaped And the Albrecht we saw at the end of 1999 isn’t him but Wally Further proof (beside the smile) is the skin color Look at Albrecht at the start of WitW demo … he is not pale While Albrecht at the end of 1999 is pale skin… he is Wally , the one Albrecht feared escaped

[@robertomuniz5721]

My theory is that voidtongue is like the language of reality itself or something like that. The requiems are at minimun a part of the voidtongue and it seems we can use them to kill inmortal beings such as the liches, sisters of Parvos and probably the Orokin too with the right convination of Requiem. I think those combinations work as a “true name” which once you know it you have control over the being, letting you control it or even destroying them. This is something that appears on some mythologies so i guess DE made it into warframe or something

[@Ithirahad]

Conversely, it could be the language of UNreality. Nobody, noTHING lives forever. Laboratories don't collapse into blocky hellscapes of shifting stone. Trains don't show up out of nowhere, at least without some extreme contrivance of quantum tunnelling merging subatomic particles together just so. But somehow it happens anyway, right before our eyes, and those symbols are involved every time.

[@ThePopeOfAwesomeness]

All seemed fun. I just wish there was a new MIGHTY SEER

[@TheDsIEGE]

AGREED!!!!

[@honestmistake8167]

I think the Indifference is another reality, constructed with materials from both the Void and the Frame (what I will be referring to the reality Warframe takes place in) to act as a sort of laboratory. Not for Albrecht, but for the Man in the Wall. The Indifference seems to be a place almost impossible for a human to traverse normally, but a reality bending entity like Wallter would be able to pass around it easily. Maybe the Murmur is just that, a murmur of the Man in the Wall's first experiments with life. Maybe that's why he's so interested in the Frame, because it's the first reality he's encountered that's not only created real, sentient life (not talking about the Sentients lol), but also interacted with the Void, and also being able to break a little bit of the "Wall" of the Void, between the Frame and other realities. That's just my thoughts though, and the lore is subject to change these thoughts.

[@tyaheld1471]

I'm the only one that thought that the train in the lab, sounded awfully similar a people screaming? that plus Loid dialogue of Albrecht collecting people...

[@TheDsIEGE]

Yeah, I was wondering if that meant us or... clones too but... that was something i wanted to include in my video next week!!!! I gotta a few juicy ones for that too.

[@johnmivule-novabow8143]

Maybe Albrecht trapped them in a void loop on that train

[@quantumblauthor7300]

I think Loid just meant Albrecht stored his husband down there

[@johnmivule-novabow8143]

lol@@quantumblauthor7300

[@teo2216]

Nothing to start the day like a video from Seige

[@InsomniacDoggo]

I still definitely believe the two void presences Quinn mentions is the Drifter and Operator. Which one of the two is more real? the one that was supposed, trapped in the Zariman, or the one that escaped with Wally's intervention?

[@TheDsIEGE]

Definitely could be... Hopefully we'll find out soon!

[@Yeetbot1234]

Also the giant orikon kinda seems simular to the one you see when you enter the undercroft

[@TheDsIEGE]

There are so many parallels between duviri and the origin system that really makes them seem like mirror dimensions in a lot of ways.

[@jameskirkland3187]

@@TheDsIEGE May be due to Conceptual Embodiment. Following that line of thought made me think the areas in dark children's stories of lost toys and forgotten ideas. I wonder if there is an area in the void for such a place.

[@raugmar-red]

I was waiting for your thoughts on the tennocon. Thank you for the video! I think the ordis is really gone and wont have a body like loid. Also the entrati actually being the freak was a big shock to me! I was watching the tennocon live. I saw the smile. I was like NO WAY! I was soo shocked! Never even ecpected to see him for real. And that damn smile itself was maddening.

[@betabesta3514]

the severed finger represents the zarimans reliquary drive, using the man in the walls index finger

[@azalrou1305]

I would love that kavat he has. This new quests look very interesting.

[@filanfyretracker]

I only just realized that PC has. 2x 3.5", 1 slot load CDROM and 1 5.25. along with a removable HDD. Right below the twin 3.5" that is clearly a callback to the key locked removable drive caddys of the era that PC reflects. 5:54 Above the hand with the floating severed finger is a representation of navigation in a 3D space. specifically coordinates of a an object. in the film Stargate a similar thing was drawn with a gate address being the first six are the location of the target gate in the galaxy and the seventh is your point of origin. Void jumps would likely work similar.

[@TheDsIEGE]

NICE, thank you for clarifying that for me, I'll be including it in a future video and will give you credit for the find!

[@filanfyretracker]

@@TheDsIEGE if youtube didnt nuke links I would post link to the exact thing I mean. But a google image search on "Stargate Navigation Diagram" will hit the spot for visual aids.

[@BLAZING900]

The room with the orokin statue reminds me of a movie from the 90s the haunting.

[@STUVash]

6:10 This part has to be the equivalent of "Rap. Tap. Tap." It has 3 one syllable words, most likely 1 word and then twice the same (that part is hard to tell), timing is similar, and it plays in the same way: first in your right ear, then left ear, then both ears. When you take it as a knocking sound, it's both ominous yet familiar but maybe it's also actual words with meaning, maybe voidtongue words ? 😵‍💫 Also. There is a funny experience you can make, watch the Murmur tileset with the display settings flipped upside down. Looks like buildings, and cities. The various energy flows are going outwards so I wouldn't say they feed on something more like it is being produced and extracted out of their mouths and rocky buildings; going into the "sky". Again this weird situation : is it the tileset being wacky upside down or is it the player ?

[@0oAngel0fDeatho0]

I am so glad to hear you will stick around to this game. Your theories and ideas are invaluable. Again, you have noticed so much more then me. But you didn't mentioned the sound over the comm, when Aol is speaking with Artur. When she say "They found me, Artur go find dr Entrati and follow him to hell if needs be" Just before the comms go down, you can hear same sound as Mag is making with her ability (I think 3). Or you think it is not that? And since we already heard what eternalism is... We know that any reality from any time can be accessed from the void. So I think we will see a lot of those reality/time changes, as we have Albreht/man in the wall roaming through all possibilities of all time periods, and pulling out what he wishes, removing things he do not like. (Just like in New war quiz: Linthanna's parents are both dead and alive in same time. Both realities exist, and Wally can choose which one is real, no matter what Linthanna choose.)

[@TheDsIEGE]

Thank you so much for both the kind words and tuning back in!! I did not notice that, but... some have speculated this quest will show the origins of the three starter frames, and you'd have two of them right there!!!!

[@kevinpaap2890]

During the Art panel for 2023 Tennocon I believe one of the panelists who is one of the people responsible for storyboards and narrative said that (paraphrasing) Man in the Wall “identity” isn’t going to have a reveal, and that they’re trying to build an avalanche for his questline arch. We’re definitely not gonna get a “where did Wally come from?” answer I don’t think, cause that defeats the Eldtrich being story (you’re suppose to fear the unknown, knowing the unknown makes it known) But I believe this is meant to misdirect for a bit, where we’ll eventually find the real Albrecht in Duviri and need his help to stop Wally in some capacity. But in truth, I think Wally will never truly go away or be “defeated”, otherwise the universe would implode given all the paradoxes he’s created to make the storyline the way it is

[@hamzasamar8823]

at 5:45 the cacuatin yu mentined are also present at 1:36 , and also one of the drawing looks prety simular to the janus key .

[@KinxBreadsworth]

I think the orokin, led astray by the man in the wall as a doppelganger of albrecht used these vessels, to go into a different dimension to use the people there to mass produce warframes, like it says about the normal versions of warframes are

[@oscarbennett6265]

using eternalism i think that the dr entrati in the warframe 1999 cutscene appered at the same time as the man in the wall appeared to us in at the end of the new war quest because they both smile the both say the requiems and wally also appears in both. this also works because if athur is the first excaliber hes technacly the fist tenno

[@MrRatedbob]

Something that stood out to me in the echos demo, that I later shared with some friends is just how old the labs appears to be. Obviously it's beened closed off for so long and is the lab of the original void scientist but I noticed alot more than just that. How I put it was "we didn't remake the horse and buggie when we tried to make jet engines or electric cars." The labs we saw in the demo are styled off of how past technological generations of humans saw the future. We have arching tesla coils of void energy, intricate alchemy tables, the mechs guarding the area have their power cores exposed and use simple skeletons with little to any plating or covering. That's not how us modern humans style our tech even when working with experimental new forms of power. The models used are outdated by modern 2023 standards. But they'd be ahead of their time if being designed and made by someone of a mucholder age. The end result of this thinking was the theory that the orokin empire may not have been a future sci-fi civilization but maybe a pre modern one. That or somehow technological progress and records were lost/separated at some point. Causing the origin to experience a technological progress with void as we did with electricity.

[@agingerbeard]

Can't wait to use the Grimoire as Wisp!

[@heldbytheTrue1]

Maybe this is an eternalism issue at play?? " we end as we began" perhaps in that opening scene with loid seeming to bash entratis coffin. Maybe by taking his life under very specific circumstances hed be able to begin all over. But perhaps the void allows him to choose or predetermine somehow "where or when" he ends up in his re-beginning. Sorry if i butchered that lol. Trying my best to explain a point that i cant grasp

[@coranturner4602]

That's why he says hey kiddo our voice n his voice stacked he was working on transference it went wrong like dream walking stepped out his body sometime else stepped in were constantly doing it so he step in with us if we know him that's y he's been called us kiddo we knew Albert the man in the wall didn't need us until he realizes we have somewhat of a connection like Albert n goes to wallie or Albert saying he needs us ive been saying for about a year now has the figure popping up hurt us I remember him taking the blame for our choices I've seen him try to offer help but that's just this Tenno's thought on this beautiful web of there they are still spinning n. Get us caught in✌🏾

[@gr_egg]

There it is boys

[@TheJergonDragon]

Something I haven't seen anyone mention in their tennocon breakdown was that they clearly do the "Whispers in the Walls" announcement right after the forced transference, but then they break into a music driven choreography with the automaton leading into a 2024 update "Warframe 1999"... What strikes me as odd here is that the lead up of the quest is entering the void clock chamber. Why would this update end so soon after?... It seems more like smoke and mirrors with the 1999 reveal. And that transference into the automaton will likely lead into something else entirely! There seems to be something else lurking that they held off on teasing after the first title drop. And that eventually through other means will lead to the time leap later on. Also, looking back, the ringtone on Albrecht's device, is a tone that we hear quite often in the Zariman in full or part. This kinda leads me to another thought... Loid mentions that the void tongue was thought to be meaningless but feared to not be. Often when I hear the void tongue I think of Gregorian throat chanting, or music... Could the myriad of void rune symbols be more like notes and music, sung rather than spoken? Leading back towards some ideas they posed in Octavia's anthem quest and also the cyberscape showdown with Hunhow

[@ShivaServer2009]

I've missed your videos. A book type weapon...The very stance and manner of using it is so FFXIV. I know Rebeccah plays FFXIV.

[@iamhugry]

Ordis(ordan karris) was transformed into an cephalon after drinking kuva from ballas in the orokin tower after ordan assassinated many orokin yet the orokin saw it as amusement and gave ordan the curse of eternal life now forced to be an cephalon (thats wjy he sometimes is out of context and the codex explains this

[@lagartopunkarra]

I swear, when I saw the 90s technology in the first moments of the trailer I was really suspicious of that. Then Warframe 1999 happened.

[@darkshotgun209]

It might be possible this is how the Excalibur warframe was made if we look at his codex entry it says that Excalibur was the first is this what it ment and Excalibur was in a sort of storage then during the old war they try to make new/copies of Excalibur aka Excalibur Prime and Umbra with 1 being closer to the base then the other in different ways .

[@TheDsIEGE]

It's tough to say for certain but it does lend itself to that idea, that maybe whatever happens to arthur here becomes the inspiration for warframes, with ballas and such refining the method later with the primes.

[@takezokimura2571]

I know that DE did the proto skins as homage to Dark Sector, but now they fit so well with the idea of them being the original versions of the warframes: Excalibur proto-armor skin: "Discovering the precise nature of this recently uncovered armored prototype has proved elusive. Initial attempts at dating point to ancient origins, *perhaps even predating Orokin Empire* ." Glaive proto skin: "A mysterious relic, predating even the Orokin Empire."

[@darkshotgun209]

@@takezokimura2571 not exactly with the train of thought I was going with but ok I guess

[@canceroushit5933]

I’m sure Excalibur the warframe was designed after the legend of Arthur. The Orokin seem to like making warframes into “art” designing them after stories, legends, and even deities.

[@mrfancyshmancy]

It looked so weird to see those 90s pc in wf and albrecht wearing modern clothing

[@cocoxcocoa]

I just hope that now that its been 10 years of warframe and we have a new creative director, that we finally start to get definitive answers and the lore starts to become a little more concrete.

[@ofc1325]

​ @TheDsIEGE Hey dude, I don't know if this is anything new but I was turning in some plumes to Yonta and she mentioned having a dream about Albercht Entrati She says: "I had a dream about Albrecht Entrati, I ask him where he went and he says "Everywhere" then he tears himself in half" the "everywhere" is in quotation marks in game, thought this might be interesting in some way

[@sadsworth4605]

:D you did it

[@fluffdafire157]

Ironically my favourite part was the grimoire weapon

[@nathanielsearle9822]

The thing that really confused me about 1999 is how could there be people with a sort of proto-Excalibur and proto-mag suit if the infested haven’t been cultivated by the orokin yet? There should be no helminth or anything like it. Which makes me wonder if it’s possibly another reality via eternalism. Then that got me thinking, how would we even interact with another reality? Especially one not connected to us as seemingly the main reason for the drifter meeting us was strange void happenstance. Well what if that’s what the “Vessels” are for? Considering Albrecht’s history with him, they’re seemingly almost definitely modeled after Wally imo. Well Wally definitely has some ability to affect other realities through the void, considering what he did to us after we struck the deal with him. So what if that’s what the Vessels are for? Meant to replicate Wally and his eternalism powers. A vessel for us to cross the void and reach other realities

[@kadikos641]

i like theory that wf1999 is memories of entrati that was corupted by Wally and we will fight to repair them in order to wake up entrati. I really don't like implication that void was discovered before 2000, bc that means mother from deimos is aslo from that era and she don't seem to know a lot. I hope there gona be not only 1999 part of this story, but we go bit by bit through time to see the rise and fall of orokin empire.

[@clem7814]

My theory is that maybe albrecht entrati sort of melded with the man In the wall as everything has to sides the warftames and the operators and the operator and drifter all because of the orokin belief of dualism (I can’t remember the name)

[@FulfillMyWill]

6:03 Sounds more like "Rap-tap-tap", than "a type of code to unlock the doorway".

[@TheDsIEGE]

It is!

[@itsascendingfr]

W video as always

[@TheDsIEGE]

Thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoyed it!!!

[@Eaglefield_]

War within's "the "what took you so long" vs the "you are late" in the upcoming 1999. I wonder if there is a connection

[@coranturner4602]

I figured it out Albert has been using trying to get us to get his mind back from wallie

[@ysmns9472]

The reveal of warframe '99 just made me feel immensely vindicated as I had been trying to find connections between darksector and warframe for years, as probably the singular fan of that game. Finally all that lore-digging might have merit lol

[@miketemple876]

So the song was from 1999. if they continue that trend... I Want it that way, All star and Livin da vida Loca are all possible soundtrack options

[@jazzerokami2443]

Maybe is just me, but I don't see anytone talking about how the demo we see of Warframe 1999 happens exactly on the Y2K. Maybe DE will explore the Warframe universe version of it

[@maxamillion3437]

It may not be the focus of this video, but im pretty sure cross save will bring so many back to the game after so long

[@TheDsIEGE]

Oh I'm sure it will, and I'm really glad cause I think the game is in the best shape it's been in for a long time, and with other similar type games in the genre floundering, it's the perfect time to play.

[@MarshallGTV]

Watch, the requiems are a “hodor “ type thing

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

I feel like there must be some time travel shenanigans going on here because Orokin didn't have immortal bodies. They had the ability to transfer themselves from one body to another. Well, either time travel or something weirder, but it's definitely not something as simple as Warframe being set in an alternate history where this is what happened in 1999 of that original timeline. Like, more importantly than my previous point, it would retcon practically everything we know about the history of the world. The Warframe suits are another thing that doesn't match the original timeline at all. Warframes were Orokin subjects infested with the Helminth strain in order to create living weapons to fight the Sentient during the Old War. Basically nothing about 1999 makes sense in context of the existing lore, so I don't think we can integrate it into our understanding until more information comes out. I'm pretty sure that was intentional on DE's part to get us more hyped through sheer confusion.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Well, time manipulation is already in the game so them using it doesn't seem like much of a stretch, and then there's eternalism, which really throws everything on it's head...

[@xXFullMetalGXx]

Prime book !

[@TheDsIEGE]

Can't wait for War and Peace Prime, lol!

[@xXFullMetalGXx]

I guess it could be grimoire prime or prime grimoire lol

[@capoeira1357911]

have been wqaiting on crosssave for 4 years. FInally can play again!!!!

[@RetroAmateur1989]

My man Albrecht was building eva units to fight walle

[@gunziro169]

Its a intresting look in the void a bit more. i wonder how much the orokin knew about the void how many orokin heard the man in the wall

[@TheDsIEGE]

If Entrati is actually the man in the wall, maybe all their technology were essentially gifts from the void.

[@gunziro169]

That's a scary thought

[@montypython5521]

according to Albrecht no body else ever saw or heard him, but given the new things we don't know how reliable of a narrator he is

[@snackimedes]

6:13 sounds like he says Rap Tap Tap in void tounge ngl

[@kenkaneki3873]

Holy shit he's alive! And so am I lol

[@TheDsIEGE]

Hey!!!! Good to see you!

[@starry-vi2kv]

I don't think the enemy in WF99 is any related to the Infested in our current storyline. The Infested only grew to infect inorganic units due to Alad V's manipulation (Suspicious Shipments alerts + Operation Breeding Grounds). While it had happened a long time ago, the date is still too far in the future comparing to WF99 timeline.

[@higueraft571]

If i remember right, it WAS able to spread into machinery, but it was never able to *control* it. More often than not just *destroying* it in the Spread?

[@starry-vi2kv]

@@higueraft571 I suppose that was how the infested tissues breached containment in the 2 tactical alerts. I should have said "The Infested only grew to *control* machinery units (...)".

[@kylian8779]

what if the painting with a hand and one finger being cuting off is actually what happenned to the finger in the railjack ? Well i just saw your video about tenno's power and yes we saw the man in the wall with a finger missing so yea its the finger that we see in the railljak (blew my mind)

[@iamhugry]

I speculate that arthur actually became Excalibur umbra as Excalibur umbra is before Excalibur prime

[@_WetSand]

I don't know why but when I was watching it, a lot of things reminded me of the game "Scorn". Maybe the aspect or atmosphere, idk.

[@TheDsIEGE]

The asthetic is the same in certain spots, without question.

[@brotatochips1079]

I won't lie, I just find it funny that Albreitch/Wally are using a literally damn DOS and Pager.