The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim | Official Trailer

Peter Jackson presents a groundbreaking journey back to Middle-earth through the eyes of legendary director Kenji Kamiyama.
#LOTR The War of the Rohirrim - only in theaters Christmas.
New Line Cinema’s original anime feature “The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim” returns audiences to the epic world brought to life in “The Lord of the Rings” Trilogy, based on the revered books by J.R.R. Tolkien.
Under the direction of award-winning filmmaker Kenji Kamiyama (the “Blade Runner: Black Lotus” and “Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex” TV series), the talented voice cast is led by Brian Cox (“Succession”) as Helm Hammerhand, the mighty King of Rohan; Gaia Wise (“A Walk in the Woods”) as his daughter Héra; and Luke Pasqualino (“Snowpiercer”) as Wulf. Miranda Otto, who delivered an unforgettable, award-winning performance in “The Lord of the Rings” Trilogy, reprises her role as Éowyn, Shieldmaiden of Rohan, who serves as the tale’s narrator. The voice ensemble also includes Lorraine Ashbourne (Netflix’s “Bridgerton”), Yazdan Qafouri (“I Came By”), Benjamin Wainwright (“World on Fire”), Laurence Ubong Williams (“Gateway”), Shaun Dooley (“The Witcher”), Michael Wildman (“Fast and Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw”), Jude Akuwudike (“Beasts of No Nation”), Bilal Hasna (“Sparks”) and Janine Duvitski (“Benidorm”).
Set 183 years before the events chronicled in the original trilogy of films, “The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim” tells the fate of the House of Helm Hammerhand, the legendary King of Rohan. A sudden attack by Wulf, a clever and ruthless Dunlending lord seeking vengeance for the death of his father, forces Helm and his people to make a daring last stand in the ancient stronghold of the Hornburg- a mighty fortress that will later come to be known as Helm’s Deep. Finding herself in an increasingly desperate situation, Héra, the daughter of Helm, must summon the will to lead the resistance against a deadly enemy intent on their total destruction.
With Kamiyama at the helm, the original feature is being produced by Oscar winner Philippa Boyens, from the screenwriting team behind “The Lord of the Rings” and “The Hobbit” Trilogies, alongside Jason DeMarco and Joseph Chou, who, in addition to their many separate animation projects, collaborated on the “Blade Runner: Black Lotus” series. The executive producers are Fran Walsh, Peter Jackson, Sam Register, Carolyn Blackwood and Toby Emmerich. The screenplay is by Jeffrey Addiss & Will Matthews and Phoebe Gittins & Arty Papageorgiou, story by Addiss & Matthews and Boyens, based on characters created by J.R.R. Tolkien. The team of creative collaborators returning from “The Lord of the Rings” Trilogy also includes Oscar winners Alan Lee and Richard Taylor, along with esteemed Tolkien illustrator John Howe.
A New Line Cinema Presentation, a Warner Bros. Animation / Sola Entertainment Production, “The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim,” will be distributed theatrically worldwide by Warner Bros. Pictures, released in cinemas nationwide on December 13, 2024, and internationally beginning 11 December 2024.

[@korliyon2283]

"But 200 years before that, there was an older tale." Yup, that's how time works.

[@jvask33zie]

But 20 minutes ago, there was an older tale....hits just as hard

[@Transformers217]

In this universe, that’s nothing. At least for the Elves.

[@fricholas7608]

Just be happy we are getting some lotr content.

[@umainebearman]

Wow, edge lord.

[@Stoutfam2017]

I mean, there could have NOT been a tale

[@ArtiOpal]

The only thing I’m worried about is people trying to produce more and more middle earth spin off series and having it turn out like Star Wars

[@AnnaMarianne]

Yes. I'd rather have them leave Middle-earth alone.

[@davidekamp5542]

This Is a movie

[@voolproov]

Yeah looks like now it's just a "franchise" to produce "content" for. Since Christopher Tolkien's death, it seems the estate is just selling the rights off to the highest bidder

[@juanm.5381]

Oliphants, Eagles...they make no sense in Rohan. We are already in Star wars territory

[@doncoyote68]

@@mrsardonicus513 Don't be an idiot.

[@haky10era]

Oh and remember folks, for Elves it was like 20 days ago))

[@army128]

Are you alright? Can you hear me?

[@CMDRKaiross07]

I knew there was going to be at least one frieren reference. Frieren would absolutely have a great time in middle earth

[@haky10era]

@@CMDRKaiross07 Dude, those joke were mainstream before Frieren... No offence but "I was there three thousand years ago" (Agent Elrond Smith)

[@tilionthemoon4151]

Tp klo emang dibandingin ama Frieren emang lebih tua Galadriel ama keluarga dan kawan2nya sih, secara klo ngikutin ceritanya mereka udah hidup dari zaman 2 pohon yg artinya itu udah lebih dari 2-3 ribu tahun yg lalu

[@alysdexia]

Who’s a folk?

[@alextbo7138]

Thank God they made the original Lord of the rings movies in the early 2000s

[@Halfshanks]

ikr

[@entropy7705]

It's funny cause Peter Jackson's movies are very flawed in terms of adapations but they're probably the best we're gonna get.

[@chester_hobbs]

Animation looks like it's from the 70s.💩

[@dobronxoliveira262]

@@chester_hobbsshow me those animations from the 70s

[@erenyeagerist7681]

​@@chester_hobbsdon't project your 💩 70's western cartoons on anime

[@goyasolidar]

And here I stupidly thought this was going to focus on Helm Hammerhand.

[@silver9wolf6]

Same...

[@brettpid6416]

an old white man? where have you been the last 8 years 😅

[@madbigborz]

1: he's a man 2: he's white 3: see 1 and 2

[@bukelos2804]

​@@madbigborzu forgot to add that he's heterosexual :D

[@madbigborz]

@@bukelos2804 you're absolutely right

[@riderofthemark6661]

Respect the lore written by Tolkien, that's the only thing we ask.

[@ninjagamer1359]

There’s certainly better odds of that coming from this group than from those who did Rings of Power

[@adfad3634]

Well in Tolkien's lore Hera was nothing but the daughter of Helm Hammerhand. How did she suddenly become Mulan only god knows

[@lightninlarry8936]

They won’t. This is a fan fiction.

[@Simon.Lewis.but.in.queer_34]

😌👌

[@ninjagamer1359]

@@lightninlarry8936 It’s adapting lore from the appendices. It’s not invented whole-cloth.

[@marthvader14]

Don‘t start a fistfight with Helm HAMMERHAND

[@lulzalfest]

Wait isnt helm hammerhand one of the nazgul??

[@breezyimpressions]

Especially when your name is Guy Glassjaw.

[@khrowv]

@@lulzalfest In the Shadow of Mordor/War games, yes. In the original story, no I don't believe so. He fought some later battles but ultimately died. Some think he went mad later too

[@danielchilton5400]

@@lulzalfestno. He died by freezing to death in the snow still standing. He’s buried in the mound that flowers whitest with Simbelmynë

[@TimmyJay02]

200 years and still the same technology.

[@reedofwater]

"I'm the fastest rider you have!" So you want to be a messenger then?

[@fenrir-art4742]

One scene later...

[@F00kbluepill]

But daughter we have email !!

[@nileverdeen3797]

Just say you hate female characters

[@fenrir-art4742]

@@nileverdeen3797 I made better female characters than that trash from my stories: Annabelle Charise and Chakra Spellnite (The Star Gem), Veronica Venus, Captain VX Girl, Kelly Feline, Oranga, and Pinkfire (VX movies), Ranger Yuma (Ranger Rad), and Sursoni, Silver Empress, and Hesru from God Bow. As a maker, I find this story too weak.

[@fenrir-art4742]

My character Sursoni from God Bow was more caring and less annoying than Hera.

[@BirdsFlyinHigh]

It's always a good sign when they start their movie trailer with clips from another movie.

[@ceasarsaran8573]

HAHAHA!

[@missAlice1990]

Kinda like they started The Marvels trailer with clips from Endgame...

[@jgriffin9084]

Remember this thing you like? Like this new thing now

[@AaronConway-hh4fe]

@@MasquedMochadirectly related how? It’s 200 years before, just because it’s in the same place? Like saying the 1865 war is related to 9/11

[@katherinec2759]

@@AaronConway-hh4fe Funny thing about that... First of all, I think you mean the War of 1812, because that's closer to 200 years before 9/11. Second, there are a LOT of things that happened both during the War of 1812 and in the 1860s, including several wars there, that are directly relevant to how international politics played out over the next 200 years, including 9/11. Besides, the last clip specifically ties it in to the main trilogy, referencing Sauron searching for the One Ring. And that whole saga had been going on for 3,000 years, so yes, it is connected.

[@mishkaroo]

There is definitely enough material in Tolkien's work for a movie based on Helm, but I struggle to understand why they should make his daughter (who was so insignificant, Tolkien didn't even name her) as the main character. The history of Middle-Earth has plenty of interesting female characters after all.

[@NordicJarl27]

From a review I heard it's to introduce new audiences to the story. She wasn't named in the books from what I hear so they using her as a stepping stone I guess for those who never even heard of the other characters.

[@williamowens]

Helm Hammer Hand should be the Main Character. Heck I'd watch a whole movie just about King Théoden

[@sirp7394]

New Audience actually means Modern Audience most likely lol

[@3149101044]

New audience means they want a “strong female lead with agency.” Because there aren’t enough movies or video games with “strong female leads with agency.”😂. I’m all for good characters, male, female , whatever . Typically modern female characters just aren’t interesting. They’re almost not human. There’s no struggle , no imperfection that makes them human.

[@TheWizardOnTheWeb]

could be simply rights and IP thing???

[@rlindstrom3]

It seems that anything new related to Lord of the Rings requires that there must be at least one scene of a woman climbing the side of an icy mountain cliff

[@silver9wolf6]

I didn't even make that connection but that's pretty funny 😂

[@jakubosinski1083]

But the Wall finally always wins ;)

[@HobieBrown97]

​@@knighthawk882you are not well

[@Bane1Mirin]

You wasn’t meant to say that out loud 😂

[@Golfballtauchen]

Anime. Its normal there.

[@philbofettiArchive]

'I'm the fastest rider you have.' That would entirely be dependent on the horse's ability.

[@Jonboi-jh3xc]

You must be fun to watch movies with. I bet you also roll your eyes when people take their helmets off in sci fi movies and loudly say how that’s unrealistic of them to do.

[@philbofettiArchive]

@@Jonboi-jh3xc nah

[@le-chevalier-renaud]

Being lighter as rider does allow the horse to go faster and get less tired. So that does make sense.

[@philbofettiArchive]

@@le-chevalier-renaud that’s true

[@remidragon8458]

Yeah it’s all the horses speed so it’s old you are now the slowest rider. If you said your a skilled swordswoman than that make sense.

[@marcusaurelius5149]

There it is! The old bait-n-switch we've grown accustomed to seeing. Helm Hammerhand is switched out with his nameless daughter.

[@Yoni123]

What do you mean?

[@KevinOnEarth_]

^ for the sake of DEI which is even worse I’m afraid.

[@jacobsampsonis7782]

​@@Yoni123they bait you with the story you want to hear (the one that isn't made up by a third party) and usurp the roles and focus of other characters into their own made up ones, to chase a trend that doesn't actually exist.. (like the witcher show turning yen into a bigger character than she already is, by taking things other characters did and giving them to her)

[@BabyJesus440]

Apparently the unnamed daughter is a skilled fighter stronger than a seasoned warrior and even Wulf.

[@Shadow66090]

Yup. Another show making Tolkien spin in his grave. At this point, hook a generator on his remnants and you have an infinte source of energy.

[@hopefullynotbutprobably6643]

Did you really need to have footage from the Jackson films to remind us, YES THIS IN THE LORD OF THE RINGS UNIVERSE

[@owlsayssouth]

no, but also yes? because lately, the pretender Rings of power has been, well, pretending to be LotR. this is done by WB who actually have the rights to LotR, expanding a story from it's apendices. in a right world, they wouldn't need to. but in this world, it kinda helps, as the amazon stuff cannot use that footage, even just for a trailer.

[@reek4062]

It's obvious, pathetic nostalgia-baiting.

[@madmanonyt9943]

It’s to show how it is directly connected to Peter Jackson’s trilogy, and not some trivial standalone effort, like The Rings of Power.

[@reek4062]

@@owlsayssouth Sigh. WB has the theatrical rights to LotR, while Amazon has the tv rights to LotR.

[@kennethsatria6607]

After Rings of Power, probably.

[@JonS]

"You could rule the world" is not a line Tolkien would have penned, unless it was one of Melkor's or Sauron's followers saying it to them.

[@waifuhoarder272]

Since this was the Dubbed version, the translators more than likely changed up the words for a Western Audience. It will be interesting to see what the Original Japanese language says.

[@ulmo-r4z]

maybe not.. but i could hear a father, a kingly father saying it to his daughter. Didn't feel off to me.

[@JonS]

@@ulmo-r4z the good characters in Tolkien's writings don't talk like that. The Rohirrim were gifted the land of Rohan after Eorl the Young came to Gondor's aid. The Rohirrim respresent an idealize model of an honorable culture. They would not have tried to seize land that didn't belong to them (especially land that is the right of the descendants of Numenor). As an aside, Peter Jackson screwed this up. He didn't understand Tolkien's vision for the Rohirrim. In the books, Theoden (once freed from Saruman's spell by Gandalf) never questions that he would ride to Gondor's aid. He is bound by ancient oaths to do so. Breaking oaths has very serious consequences in Tolkien's writings. The Dead that Aragorn rallies to his cause are testament to that. They are spirits who cannot depart the world until they fulfilled their oath. Theoden would never have asked why he should ride to Gondor's aid, when Gondor didn't ride to theirs, as he did in the movie.

[@missAlice1990]

@@waifuhoarder272 The original language is English. Unless all those British voice actors listed as the cast speak Japanese. But I doubt it.

[@yoghurtania1025]

@@JonS "Rohirrim wouldn't seize land that didn't belong to them" Despite litereally stealing land from Dundlanders lol who lived on it for centuries before numenorians did a bit of imperialism.

[@marsvin55]

It looks like she's in an isekai. She stands out like a sore thumb with the hair and the white clothes that doesn't look "medival"

[@dennythedavinchi3832]

The white clothes look she came from Star Wars series.

[@Alexus1138]

oh no, red hair

[@Sun.Shine-]

Right? It felt odd. What happened to medieval clothes?

[@Naminski1a]

This is New Line Cinema's first animated movie since The Swan Princess (1994).

[@gryfon_gamez8184]

completely forgot about that movie

[@DestinyGarcia-t6l]

the 1st animated film for NLC in 30 years to be exact!

[@smachdos1593]

Interesting

[@Lilac-and-Gooseberries]

I loved The Swan Princess film!

[@Naminski1a]

@@Lilac-and-Gooseberries By the way, The Swan Princess is from Sony Pictures Home Entertainment and Nest Entertainment. On second thought, TriStar Pictures is my favorite Sony Pictures movie label.

[@wenyaochang2953]

king: you know nothing about war. princess: I am the fastest rider you have. ....ok, then you can be a scout.

[@jamiewilson2832]

But then she gets to ride A FREAKIN' EAGLE. Rohirrim horses are amazing, but I will take the eagle any day.

[@clownofthetimes6727]

@@jamiewilson2832 And there goes all the immersion if she does. It is already stretching Tolkien`s writings beyond our imagination. If she rides an eagle then it proves that this is just another generic fantasy cash grab using the Tolkien name to sell it`s wares.

[@fantasywind3923]

@@clownofthetimes6727 yeah...why the Eagles other than recognizeable feature,..the Eagles are not involved in this story nor have they ever any special connection with the Rohirrim...on the other hand if they put in the Mearas....THAT would make sense...the Mearas as special 'magical' breed of horses...intelligent capable of understanding human speech...an ancestor of Shadowfax as the animal sidekick would make more sense...the Mearas are only ever ridden by the royalty of Rohan.

[@DavidSkinner-v2p]

​@@fantasywind3923 No, that would require them to have a deep knowledge of Arda's lore.

[@julietalazo7954]

@@fantasywind3923also, I remember reading somewhere in Tolkien’s books that the eagles are like masters of the sky, they’re precious to Manwe who created them. The eagles aren’t some beasts to be tamed, who come at others beck and call. The only time they showed up was after something hugely important and by the way no human brought them, usually it was through someone non human who had magic to call them. So I’m not sure what they’re trying to do with this 😢

[@BrotherIronBreaker]

Is anyone else a little concerned that Helm Hammerhand looks like a side character in this trailer?

[@LordDawnWreaver]

Apparently most people ain't thinking about that

[@shaikmohammedabdullah5219]

maybe they are deleting comments. they have made it female centric. not true to the books

[@ordinarysuperstar672]

I assumed that was the intention lmao

[@casualgaming2351]

@@shaikmohammedabdullah5219 mine was deleted where i ask why Fréaláf and Helm are not the focus..even so they are the focus of ths part of Rohan history

[@Redditor6079]

Misogynist.

[@purifiedyou]

Appealing to the wrong audience always does great!

[@BlazinNSoul]

It doesn't even appeal to that auidence. This is typical lazy WB cel computer animation. A newer cheaper method to animate traditional animation but I don't like the results.

[@JLee-g6w]

@@BlazinNSoulYep. This movie will flop.

[@purifiedyou]

@@BlazinNSoul whats new!

[@channelbelongtous]

Uh-h, climbing an ice wall with daggers, I get flashbacks

[@colcat1]

She is a bawsgarl that didn't want to get married, she appears in the books as ''unnamed daughter unknown'', she becomes a warrior and does a bunch of things that don't appear in the books, yep, checks out. This just a little step away from being a Rings of power Galadriel or a Tauriel stand alone movie, lmao.

[@phoenixrose1192]

@@colcat1 At least they’re not trying to rewrite a fully established character like they’re doing with Galadriel and many other elves apparently (I haven’t wasted my time on the series). I’m going to give this a chance though, it looks interesting and I have a soft spot for the Eorlingas. As long as they keep the rest of the characters as they should be, like Hammerhand, then it should be well made.

[@RiannaPeterson]

from what?

[@RiannaPeterson]

​You spelled that 4th word wrong, go back to shcool little man.

[@channelbelongtous]

@@RiannaPeterson RIngs of Power (*visible disguist)

[@Doomin-c2m]

LotR fans: "I want Helm Hammerhand." WB: "Best I can do is his unnamed daughter."

[@BlueHooloovoo]

@user-oo8oj1hl8k watch the damn movie then make a judgment. It's not that hard you clod!

[@lenajohnson6179]

idk that's what happened... I think most days, LotR fan's don't even remember Helm Hammerhand exists and he's just a loosely formed lore tidbit. it's more like... WB: "Hey guys, want a Helm Hammerhand movie?" LotR fans: "Oh... yeah that could be cool?" WB: "Here's his unnamed daughter."

[@fenrir-art4742]

@@Doomin-c2m unnamed daughter: I want a giant eagle, my own adventure, a dark tall handsome stud, and to steal credit

[@LancerEvo24]

😂😂😂😂

[@michellestr8998]

Who now has the Greek name of Hera.

[@arturleperoke3205]

Trailer: *unnecessarily and unaesthetically weaves scenes from LotR-Movies into it* Warner Bros: "Do you meember? I meeember!"

[@sclarin2]

jangle those keys baby

[@ODragao93]

It's as if there was some out of touch wokoid-NPC-bugman who said in a meeting, "How can we appeal to those insufferable (white men) millennial Tolkien fans? Let's crop some footage of the Jackson films in." They believe that putting that in will sway us and distract us from their consistent battering and agenda. We press on brothers.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

It's worse than that. The story isn't even about Helm Hammerhand. It's literally about his daughter finding a "secret tribe of all women warriors who were lost to history." The trailer is 100% a bait and switch.

[@AimForMyHead81]

They kinda have to do that. Rings of Power is completely separate from the Peter Jackson/Warner Brothers movies and isn't connected to them in any way. Amazon only has the rights to Rings of Power (a fanfiction based on the appendix sections at the end of RoK). Every other Tolkien adaptation belongs to Warner Brothers. It's to avoid confusion.

[@AimForMyHead81]

​@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat Helm Hammerhand is a fairly static character who sticks around Edoras and dies before the end of the conflict. Wouldn't really make sense to set the movie around him. The OC character is more peripheral and allows the viewer to witness the conflict firsthand.

[@stanisawm7063]

You promised us a story about Helm Hammerhand, not about his daughter whom Tolkien didn't even give a name. It is worth adding that Tolkien named even the smallest flowers and plants, so the fact that something or someone does not have a name means that it is not important in a given story.

[@L1623VP]

She may not be important but apparently feminism, female empowerment, patriarchal oppression, and multiculturalism ARE important to the film makers. No thanks. I'll pass.

[@dvdivine1962]

@@L1623VP buzzwords

[@austinreed7343]

@@L1623VP “But it’s anime and I thought you liked that!” “You only liked it as a joke?”

[@maniak69881]

I was under the impression that this would be the tale of helm hammerhand, not his daughter. Seems much more centered around her.

[@meurumtrain4747]

Seems to be both

[@jedijones]

Girlboss gonna girlboss.

[@TheNorseAmerican]

She is obviously the focus, as was never even named in the novels

[@alejandrocovacevich6701]

I am afraid of another woke female empowered character and a product that portraits men as stupid and useless... Reminded me of Guyladriel from Rop :c

[@DMIwriter]

Honestly, them opening with extensive footage from the original trilogy worries me. It feels like they are trying too hard to attach themselves to the original beloved IP. But maybe I'm just cynical after Rings of Power and the Gollum game

[@Pokemonashgreen2]

They got a good anime director involved. Most of you well known him for doing the Ghost in the Shell tv series, the Blade runner anime and a episode of Star Wars visions.

[@SG-us4gz]

If this is a "good" anime director, I'd hate to see what you consider "bad".

[@Pokemonashgreen2]

@@SG-us4gz I really can't think of a terrible anime director.

[@pithicusthen554]

​​@@SG-us4gzAre you for real? He's a genuinely good director. What has he done that's bad? Don't tell you you're one of those morons who heard the words "Star Wars visions" and had a visceral reaction like that of a child going "wa wa wa, modern Star wars wa wa wa."

[@BjornBS]

@@SG-us4gz I mean, the dude pretty much introduced anime to the western world with Akira. That's gotta count for something.

[@tonymata8070]

​@@Pokemonashgreen2 Same, I don't know any horrible anime directors.

[@John-b1z3x]

Can’t wait for the story of Helm Hammer Hand - oh wait.

[@ultimateshipper8997]

Indeed the movie's name is Helm Hammerha- oh wait!

[@UncleRuckus2134]

@@ultimateshipper8997 Yeah I mean guess we should've expected an unnamed girl boss to be forced into being the main character .

[@Morcorco]

@@ultimateshipper8997 The name is "War of -Rohirrim- Made-up Female Tribe Lead By Nameless Helm's Daughter"

[@SkintSNIPER262]

They made Helm a side character in HIS own story....

[@BlueHooloovoo]

How do you know? You haven't seen the film. This is a trailer.

[@SkintSNIPER262]

@@BlueHooloovoo They revealed the whole plot in the trailer lol. It's all about his unnamed daughter girl bossing around middle earth

[@BlueHooloovoo]

@@SkintSNIPER262 Who cares? People like you said the same thing about Princess Peach being a "girl boss". Then you actually saw the damn film and none of that really happened. You people get triggered over the stupidest things.

[@SkintSNIPER262]

@@BlueHooloovoo Anyone who isn't a woketard and respects the source material cares.

[@ceasarsaran8573]

@@BlueHooloovoo Princess Peach was not as much of a girlboss as people feared. And there was some basis for it in the film. This is a serious story, and the idea of a girl boss completely ruins it, because women fighting men without firearms is inherently silly. And we see her right there fighting men.

[@Jeff-cn9up]

Literally a lorebreaking girlboss. Hollywood does not learn.

[@YodatheHobbit]

Wow, you people sure love breaking down sexism into repeatable keywords, almost like a agenda you want to spread to influence culture, like a mob, not individual ACTUAL organic opinions. Imagine being so damn childish to think that a main character's gender matters. There are SO MANY MORE VALID COMPLAINTS TO HAVE! Like the same exact anime style as a million other works, boring dialogue, poor costuming ideas.

[@baloghcsaba88726]

That's one of the reasons The Hobbit movies sucked

[@johankvang7464]

How does she "break the Lore?"? Does this just mean creative freedom?

[@tukatl]

are shieldmaidens not a part of rohhiric culture now then? besides it’s called an adaptation for a reason so long as they do it well (unlike rings of power) it’s fine

[@f.b.l.9813]

@@johankvang7464 in the lore, she's an unimportant character, she's so unimportant Tolkien didn't give her a name, yet in this fanfiction anime movie, she's a warrior hero.

[@Rekaert]

Are we really doing the, "Rohan princess wants to lead and fight but is looked down upon by the men so she has to prove herself" story, again? That was essentially Eowyn's arc through Lord of the Rings. I hope they tell it in an interesting way. There's only so many times I can watch the same story before it starts to feel thin, sort of stretched, like butter scraped over too much bread ...

[@TheWolfehound]

you need some tissue for those little girls tear's 😢😢😢

[@TheZamaron]

Honestly with how little women are allowed to fight in Middle Earth it's either that type of plot or she likely does barely much, so I don't mind. I'll give this a chance since Peter Jackson is involved, can't be worse then Rings Of Power.

[@davidm.corbin4643]

You do realize that the shield maidens of Rohan are considered great warriors? And that there's not that many of them. Most of the women in Rohan are just regular women. But of the noble line of men The daughters of the House of Edoras are expected to be skilled in battle.

[@Nalehw]

I don't think "no female characters get to be cool" would have been good, and I don't think "there's total equality in this era, shush, don't ask why it suddenly became unequal 200 years later" would have been good... ...but it's still not very exciting to get Literally Just Eowyn again. Surely there was another option.

[@_Jeremy]

They won't.

[@hopLight2322]

Hera? The writers do know that Tolkien was a professor of Old English and also loved Norse mythology. Still waiting to see something truly inspired by Tolkiens works vs using his world as a vehicle for someone else’s message

[@zack3234]

It's Héra, not Hera. Héra is Anglo-Saxon

[@rufinlooks6956]

Ok I'm not that excited to see original spin off material for Arda neither when we have boatloads of material they could work off of still, but this is a TERRIBLE argument. This IS inspired by the same stuff Tolkien was inspired by, Hera is literally an Old English name and they're basing her character off of Æthelflæd of the Mercian kingdom. This is EXACTLY the sort of stuff Tolkien would have used too. Did you do any research before you came to write this comment?

[@hopLight2322]

@@rufinlooks6956 Right.. cuz the Rings of Power did such a great job with it. It’s one thing to have the same names of people and places, very different to capture the essence of a masterpiece.

[@rufinlooks6956]

@@hopLight2322 ...so no, you did not research and just wanted to leave a cynical comment. Just say "Rings of Power was bad so I expect this to be bad" instead of pretending you care about the influences next time lmao

[@marisaladson]

Weren't we promised a Helm hammerhand story?

[@armata_strigoi_0]

Yes, I distinctly remember that being how they initially promoted this. Guess it was a bait and switch.

[@brettpid6416]

your name and picture save you from being called an incel for your question

[@josefstalin9678]

​@@brettpid6416I mean, not entirely. I believe I've seen the term femcel thrown around before. Not saying it applies, just that it exists

[@seanmcfarlane9911]

if u watch the interview with phillipa it was obv going to be a girlboss story same as rings of power

[@jarogniewtheconqueror2804]

@@brettpid6416 There's nothing incel about that question though, what dumb logic are you using?

[@arthurspiriev544]

So the princess doesn't want to get married and wants to become the leader she knows she can be?!

[@LivresAudio]

The same plot of the failed snow white movie.

[@thor3901]

Same plot as Brave too

[@mansnothot1284]

so "fresh" never heard of that before amirite?

[@burnt-croissants]

here we go…you guys are so predictable it’s getting boring

[@JackChurchill101]

Are they wrong though?

[@DarkEnv2]

My only concern with this is they’re making it seem like they’re gonna be overshadowing Helm Hammerhand’s story with his daughter’s.

[@Theriac24]

They definitely are, cuz wahmen.

[@tarzan8575]

They are, She didn't even have a name in the original story and now she's the main character. They can't just tell someone's story anymore. They have to insert their own ideas in to it to make it "better".

[@DarkEnv2]

@@tarzan8575 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@liamwilson7549]

@@tarzan8575cry harder, this is actually a good approach because it’s FRESH. how many times do you want me to read the same thing man? Grow a pair (if you respond to this you need to go outside and realize not everyone thinks the same way you do) How many of you even read the books. I guarantee 90% of you here have only watched the movies. Guess what, the movies were not faithful either.

[@LovelessGentleman]

@@liamwilson7549so having an opinion is crying?

[@Absyss]

Another day Another spin-off Another (woke) Girl Boss Guyladriel -> Hannavincible

[@natanaelhermon]

This daughter of Helm doesn't even have a name in the chronicles. Here they portray her as a hero, to the detriment of her father. I would really like to see a work that pays homage to Helm Hammerhand.

[@Timasion]

Actually, it's to the detriment of Fréaláf Hildeson, Helm's nephew, who led the Rohirrim after Helm's death to defeat the Dunlendings. He personally took back Edoras and killed Wulf. He was then named King of Rohan. They could then draw the connection back LotR because Fréaláf is Theoden's ancestor.

[@tbone177177]

And so we are in the age of the "girlboss" and they are many.

[@ukrmod]

@@tbone177177 Gonna cry?

[@kennethsatria6607]

Doesn't seem like a detriment, it seems like unlike most princess warriors she and him actually have a loving relationship, pair that with Helm in the story would've lost his two other sons to this conflict, this isn't out of the ordinary for a king or a father.

[@KrisRoberts114]

​@@ukrmod I've not heard someone say that since primary school, we can atleast hope it was meant in a humorous way

[@jonathanyaloussa]

I don't know if it's just me, but to hear Helm say, "My pride, my joy. You could rule the world" isn't the kind of things heroes are supposed to say in Middle Earth. But I'll wait and see.

[@AnnaMarianne]

You and me. Sounds pretty Melkorian/Sauronian.

[@DMIwriter]

@@jonathanyaloussa You can't make true LotR content without understanding the fundamental worldview of Tolkien, especially his view on what makes people heroic. Tolkien's view of heroism are people who do the right thing because it's the right thing to do and resort to violence not for glory or power, but to defend good and beautiful things. And even when they do use violence, they do so without glee - somberly and with restraint. To quote Faramir: "I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend."

[@FlegiasRahl]

there are no heroes in Middle-Earth u can watch MCU for it.

[@gutic27]

In the middle Earth it is very clear evil is bad and good is good. Same as rings of power this is not lotr actually

[@Anti-demonXXI]

This show is just another DEI bs. They don't understand actual virtues, LOTR is not for evil people.

[@haydencarn8737]

Hey, Warner, Why is the daughter of our MC Helm Hammerhand the focus? Are you doing a Rings of power?

[@ElficGuy]

They're trying very hard not to ... But they will...

[@davidshapiro292]

They never learn.

[@haydencarn8737]

@@davidshapiro292 Or they are getting paid a lot for pushing this annoying stuff. Not by the customers, but rather by the people who want to manipulate said customers. I am starting to doub that this is just stupidity alone, especially when looking into blackrock and so on.

[@lukelampton3988]

Great, another girl-boss spinoff of Tolkien’s masterwork. Can’t wait to see how this one is made for MoDeRn AuDiEnCeS

[@JLee-g6w]

Truly. Lord of The Rings is one of the most beloved film franchises of all time and here they are destroying its legacy

[@tardarsauce1842]

Expectations: An epic tale about Helm Hammerhand Reality: Your typical "strong female protagonist" story about Helm's daughter

[@hugolowon11]

another strong independent femina so sad that they doing the same thing like amazon

[@patriotfury7303]

Which was never even given a name in the book. So unimportant that Tolkien didn't even bother.

[@hugolowon11]

the same fail that amazon make

[@rodmar1874]

Yas kween slay 🙄

[@sclarin2]

and when it underperforms guess who's fault it's going to be?

[@brianhowe1982]

Kinda worried they're going to make Helm a footnote in his own story.

[@johankvang7464]

He's a major reason the war starts in this trailer. How on earth would you fear he's going to be a footnote? Most likely he will not be the main POV-character. But that's not the same.

[@JohnSmith-og1xq]

They are going to give all of his feats to his daughter Honestly this movie is a predictable snooze fest She beats the bad guy without any effort There i saved you a watch

[@EatZeBugs]

@@JohnSmith-og1xq Yeah putting the Lore aside, this animation doesn't even look right to me. I am a big anime fan and the art doesn't look like what I expected it to be with Japanese animator doing this.

[@JohnSmith-og1xq]

@EatZeBugs I strongly agree it looks odd. I absolutely love anime

[@daerivoresilvein1420]

buddy its already too late for that You think he's gonna get anything but table scraps good luck.

[@shapesii]

Kid: "mom, can we have a Helm Hammerhand story?" Mom: "No, we have a Helm Hammerhand story at home!" Helm Hammerhand story at home:

[@Tamikawashere]

I feel this.

[@ajayvenkat6018]

Wtf is this? I thought its suppsoed to be a movie about the great Helm Hammerhand, not about his daughter and her love affair gone wrong

[@rburk854]

You see Helm literally performing his most famous feat in the trailer. What more do you want?

[@Ray03595]

@@rburk854 The movie to be about him...

[@normansmith9009]

It was never about him?

[@rabronin]

@@rburk854 Yay, 2 minute scene, wish granted... Idiot.

[@SuicV]

​@@normansmith9009 Than that's a big mistake

[@bewolf16]

1:56; "The Horn of Helm Hammerhand, shall sound in the deep, 1 last time..." RIP Bernard Hill. He probably would have liked it.

[@umainebearman]

Pretty sure it's something he wouldnt watch.

[@resto776]

@@bewolf16 based on his past comments, he would absolutely loathe this lol

[@Duzz1412]

​@@resto776 what did he said?

[@bewolf16]

@@resto776 What did he comment? Never heard anything of him disliking Theoden. Just tried searching.

[@resto776]

@@bewolf16 regarding ROP: “It’s a money-making venture and I’m not interested in watching that or being in it,” Hill said. “Good luck to them and all that stuff but it’s not like the real thing.”

[@jake_gon_jinn]

“Arise, arise, riders of Rohan! Fell deeds awake, fire and slaughter! Spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered! A sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!"

[@KinglyRed]

DEAAAAAATH!!!

[@julianherrera3130]

DEATH!!!!

[@thatoneguy7765]

DEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATH!!!

[@Rachel-ht3rf]

@@thatoneguy7765 Forth Eorlingas!

[@SirNeto21]

DEAAAAAATH!!!!

[@reienna5616]

If you cut out the first 20 seconds of this trailer, we can talk. If you need nostalgia from the Jackson movies, to market this, you have already lost. Cut that out.

[@NobuhikuObayashi]

Every second of original trilogy footage in this is hilarious, as if the words “Lord of the Rings” don’t spell it out literally enough

[@CALAMITY0FHYRULE]

Prolly trying to distance himself from that god awful rings of power

[@neutronalchemist3241]

The authors had bee adamant in having specifically been inspired by Peter Jackson's version of LOTR. His aesthetic, settings, etc. It's a way to say "this is not like Rings of Power".

[@juanantoniolopez8292]

The message is "this is Peter Jackson's LOTR, not that thing called Rings of Power"

[@БогданКаушан-к4н]

@@CALAMITY0FHYRULE “Peter Jackson’s thing” that completely breaks HIS timeline. The last shot of “Mordor looking for rings” in this very time just breaks PJ’s timeline. It might be in Tolkien’s world, but not in the version that was included in Hobbit with Nazghul’s death in Arnor. There is no such thing as Mordor in this very time in PJ’s timeline. There are no Nazghul and no Sauron during this period. There might be some orcish tribes, but they are on their own Even ROP fits Jackson’s timeline much better

[@БогданКаушан-к4н]

@@CALAMITY0FHYRULEThey can just remove The Hobbit from PJ’s Middle-Earth, but that would be the worst decision ever, because they will never have an opportunity to remake it with the same original actors

[@themerryprankster44]

Who needs Helm Hammerhand when you can have a little girl instead?

[@SupposeKennethed]

This statement sounds very very... Hollywood.. in a terrifying way.

[@L1623VP]

A little girl who fights with the courage of a whole army and the strength of ten men...as if we haven't seen all the girl-bossing in 1,000 other films before. No thanks. I'll pass.

[@fenrir-art4742]

@@themerryprankster44 should have been about the whole team not a one woman show

[@Wolta]

@@L1623VP Ah, like the Jedi girl who had the power of all the Jedis prior. Whilst never having even finished her training, but somehow is the most broken Jedi in history. As long as they justify it somehow and it doesn't turn into a forced trilogy, I'm cool with it.

[@leonkennedy7638]

@@L1623VP Oh god. You are batshit insane. You need lobotomy.

[@magua9563]

I thought this series was supposed to focus on Helm being that it's an adaptation of his story? I don't think his daughter even had a name in the book if I remember correctly, she was more of a moral center for him if anything.

[@michellestr8998]

Now she is a strong girlboss.

[@jo2362]

​@@michellestr8998So?

[@davidhogg657]

Tedious girl boss guff. Must be shoehorned in.

[@gormhatre]

Well we are in the 21st century and women must be the warrior main character .

[@MHAAAAANZ]

@@gormhatreyepp, can’t wait to see a girl defeating men in a sword fight 🙄

[@acidtripediting]

All I can say is, showing clips from the original instead of letting this new movie stand on its own is a bad omen.

[@Meme_Lord]

I thought it was gonna be focused on Helm Hammerhand?

[@aminuabubakar8605]

That was my expectations

[@charalamboscharalambous165]

We all did sadly

[@thatoneguy7765]

This is the end of Helm Hammerhand's reign actually. There actually isn't a whole lot written about it beyond it being a time when The Rohirrim were at war with the Dunlander's and Easterlings over the right to rule the realm. Helm Hammerhand eventually dies in the defense of Rohan and his daughter leads his people to victory after his death. So it's all kosher canon wise.

[@jordanmince7613]

@@thatoneguy7765 i don't think the daughter plays that big of a role in it

[@FramDragonslayer]

Bait and switch my friend

[@theREALmistafu]

Sooo we're not getting a story about Helm Hammerhand?? Alrighty gotcha

[@hopefulpellinore5490]

No, that would be too cool.

[@OfficialDJTasawennateken]

Actually helm is part of the anime movie If you did your research you would find out that they're part of the plot twist of the story

[@OfficialDJTasawennateken]

You don't believe me you can go to the fan wiki page for this movie and you'll find out the whole script I don't recommend it cuz you'll get a lot of spoilers but helm is in this

[@rogelioalonzo2911]

Yeah sadly it's not Tolkien, no they made a movie about his Unnamed daughter those chose to make up.

[@javierlopez9789]

No, he is a dude after all.

[@danielliu22]

Hmmm, I have just one question: wtf is the protagonist his daughter? Barely in the story. Color me unimpressed.

[@peter-josephlamusitele6296]

Yeah true I haven't read book but I know bits of the story and it doesn't say much about hammerhand's daughter

[@fork-man]

​@@peter-josephlamusitele6296 quite literally the only thing related to her is I want you're daughter hand in marriage that's it she cease to exist after that

[@HarpyDxr]

It's a bait and switch

[@ewanmurie5121]

She's not in the story at all

[@arishokqunari1290]

Well the movie's name is "War of the Rohirrim", not "Helm Hammerhand"

[@CoryLunaDrums]

Looks like im just gonna have to keep watching the original lotr masterpieces from early 2000s not even complaining just stating

[@shapesii]

This trailer is like bait and switch inception. They created a bait and switch trailer for a bait and switch story.

[@HoloBoss]

thats exactly what i was thinking. first half hipes you up, second half reveals the true woke agenda. Definatly not watching this dogshit.

[@Natsocenis]

​@@HoloBossthey know that if you don't go woke, you go broke, they're catering to the majority

[@LordofDarknessX]

what you don't like the female as the Lead?

[@sinnahkrome7146]

Woke Agenda = Woman protagonist. Despite the fact that a woman swinging a sword and fighting was present in the now 69 year old book this movie is a prequel to.

[@Natsocenis]

@@sinnahkrome7146 this is idiocy, protagonist can be what ever gender it race aslong as they're well written and acted

[@Alexander-es4mx]

A Lord of the Rings anime is something i wasn't expecting but this looks pretty interesting

[@alexcarracino]

It was announced like 3 years ago

[@SG-us4gz]

@@alexcarracinoRight? The number of people who can't read is staggering.

[@kadenthehuman]

@@SG-us4gzI saw someone who said they’d been following the news forever and was super excited but didn’t expect it to be animated and I was like, really?

[@RinjarinCODM]

It looks awesome!!!

[@MollymaukT]

I want one of the Silmarilion, pretty sure is impossible to recreate the fuckery of the First Age in live-action (Feanor fighting off a score of Balrogs comes to mind)

[@blampfno]

The central character in this never even had a name or a role in the book, and is mentioned once in passing in a sentence. The writers were 'fascinated' by her.

[@CardCaptor32584]

I liked Legolas' addition. Hopefully they do a good job with her.

[@Scipionyxsam]

*puts on purple blue 'coding socks'* Yep, I think it's girlboss time. *(100 ESG points have been transferred to my account)*

[@matthewmouras2275]

Fascinated with the freedom to flesh out a new character in Middle Earth. I'm cool with that if it's well done.

[@davidbaker2856]

@@matthewmouras2275 except it almost never is.

[@Scipionyxsam]

@@matthewmouras2275 How about, if you want to tell your own story you just write it, instead of piggy backing on someone's back who was more talented and established than you? There's a plethora of female characters in Tolkien's works that have stories worthy of a movie. But they had to corrupt Helm Hammerhand's story and steal his limelight by rewriting the story into a girlboss story. What a lazy, creatively bancrupt take. The shadow that bred them and so on and so forth.

[@TheOneAndOnly-x3w]

Sauron can't fool us with this one

[@ingamingpc1634]

I sense the rings influence in this one

[@MollymaukT]

*me watching the trailers* "omfg why do they have to put mumakil in this instead of having just the Dunland man against the Rohirrim?! Lemme see how this went down in canon" *opens Appendix A: Annals of the Kings and Rulers, II: The House of Eorl* "Led by Wulf, the Dunlendings allied with the Easterlings, the Haradrim and the Corsairs of Umbar" "oh welp TIL"

[@sirdragon6860]

I really hope they actually mention that alliance in the movie as well and not just use that addendum to do their thing

[@ThomasHJ15]

It's a whole movie based on about two pages of text. They have plenty of scope to flesh out the story here - I wouldn't worry about details being skipped over.

[@tempestofflame]

@@MollymaukT Yeah and the Haradrim got there by ships. You think they carried a Mumakil on a ship? They're several times larger than elephants

[@rexxtank8165]

I have a (little) hope that Beren, the steward of Gondor, who was the greatest hero of that time, will appear and that he will marry Hera at the end of the film so that Tolkien's message about the friendship of Gondor and Rohan is maintained.

[@Lothiril]

​​@@tempestofflame The size of the Mûmakil is never given. They could be very well close enough to an elephant in size that they could be transported via ship.

[@johannsilo6164]

As Tolkien said, “evil creates nothing, it only corrupts”

[@lukew6725]

I've never actually found that quote from Tolkien. The sentiment is certainly there, but I don't believe that he ever said those exact words.

[@campomambo]

@@lukew6725 considering it is a Catholic understanding of evil, he probably said something to that effect even if it was never recorded.

[@lord69z]

@@lukew6725 It's in the canon, Morgoth tortures the elves into Orcs, evil cannot create only corrupt. It's not a 1:1 quote it in all his lore.

[@ahmeteminerdogan9266]

@@lukew6725 It is lore reference to Melkor corrupting and defiling created things to convey his envy and hate.

[@ViktoriyaZolotovolosyy]

well as long isnt obese black dwarvers, its fine

[@matias5817]

It looks a lot like the rings of power but animated...

[@animezilla4486]

Your mistake was comparing this to rings of power

[@Bruce_wayne69_edits]

Nah nothing can be bad like ring of power this is not made by amazon is reason for hope

[@RacingSnails64]

Looks way more authentic than Rings of Power, but I could be wrong

[@chaucerianfraud6767]

@@RacingSnails64 You are wrong and will be proved so.

[@missAlice1990]

To me it looks much better than Rings of Power, which doesn't mean it looks good.

[@monshiroyamamushi7125]

Tolkien always said that evil does not have the capacity to create something new, it only perverts and destroys good. That is why these people always take already created and acclaimed works to pervert and destroy them with their personal disorders.

[@farahahmed8201]

Damn, why is Hera the main focus? We wanted Helm Hammerhand, not his daughter who doesn't even have a name inthe books.

[@PriXz123]

Agree

[@vindikaktus]

"Books"? This story of Hera and Hammerhand is based on like two pages of writing from the appendices.

[@kernal1127]

​@@vindikaktus So, it's in a book?

[@kenmcwilliams4691]

DEI

[@vindikaktus]

@@kernal1127 Now we're down to a singular book, getting closer!

[@overdan]

Opening your trailer with shots from another movie gives me SW Episode IX flashbacks. This is a huuuge red flag they weave right in your face.

[@John-mp7si]

Yeah that was a problem for me. Jarring transition of story telling.

[@overdan]

@@John-mp7si imo the promblem is that the marketing team knows full well this movie can't generate any hype on it's own, hence the nostalgia bait

[@neutronalchemist3241]

After Rings of Power, it's completely understandable for them to underline "this is PETER JACKSON'S version of LOTR's world".

[@lxdead5585]

@@neutronalchemist3241 Jacksons work doesn't need any kind of "underlining". This movie reeks being woke, just as ROP. It's gonna be plain girlboss angry cuz forced to marry and need no men movie lol

[@AaAa-je5eo]

They're gonna weave that flag in our faces? Sounds painful

[@benwasserman8223]

Given how Lord of the Rings was first adapted in animated form, this is just Tolkien's story coming full circle.

[@user-gz4ve8mw9l]

Yet so many people claim anime is for losers and children evidently.

[@mathiaslienafa789]

YEAH this is a very good point

[@HaydrogenBomb]

Just like with season one of Star Wars Visions

[@A21-EDITS21]

Yeah but it should've been in that style not anime

[@rpgadventurer32]

No, this is fan fiction at best. "Hera" doesn't exist, what you see in this trailer is not what is written in the source material.

[@SymonOnua]

"Fastest rider you have" With weaponry? Armor? Because you kind of need those to fight, unless you wanna be Paula Rivere.

[@michellestr8998]

She dont need those, she can girlboss without them.

[@communistcomputergod6449]

Who tf is Paula Rivere? Sounds like she’s from a Tale just as old as

[@johnleonard9102]

My favorite part was when the redhead smiled at the edge lord guy and said "Let's see Paul Allen's War of the Rohirm."

[@Ghaztoir]

It'd probably be better!

[@SeanTanktop]

Proud to be your 100th like

[@j6216]

Thought this was meant to be about Helm Hammerhand?😅

[@username9159]

No this is 2024 it's obviously about a girl boss that doesn't want to get married.

[@curnath]

You don't know the tragic story of Helm Hammerhand, do you?

[@quinsey9211]

​@@username9159if this is woke than lord of the rings was super woke.

[@templetonbob]

Why would they give the lead role to a man? Thats not how you make content anymore.

[@internetgoat4831]

​@@username9159 another one of those comments huh

[@RUSG89]

Gandalf said it best: "It's as I feared".

[@MirkwoodPrince21]

Whats your fear about this ?

[@king-fisher]

@@MirkwoodPrince21 Can't speak for anyone else, but there's a strong suggestion fo "Girl Power/the Force is Female" cringe. (Btw. I'd LOVE to be proven wrong.)

[@4040tee]

@@king-fisher its inevitable as it looks like tolkiens descendants are either (a) looking to milk as much out of the franchise or (b) on board with perverting the philosophy behind tolkiens novels. We are so far gone from tolkiens catholic traditionalism / monarchism, that its impossible for a new production to respect the ideas. 24 years ago we were still a ways away from that thinking, but close enough for it to be left alone by the cultural elites.

[@MaxxMcGeePrivate]

@@king-fisher Well, looking at anime it's quite normal to have young female leads. Really depends how they are written. Since it's modern Hollywood, we'll see...

[@marissashantez6051]

@@MaxxMcGeePrivate No. Not even slightly. The most popular anime all have male leads like Naruto, or One Piece. I dont even know where you got that idea, and this isnt anime. And when you try to make girls boss characters, it cant be done well, especially when adapting older work, which doesn't work with such ideas.

[@amaze2173]

Bait and switch He-Man style

[@pabloalonsolasagabaster658]

Feels more like a modern movie rather than lore accurate. Discount Eowin teaching the Rohirim how to ride

[@noxluxe8674]

Was hooked until "I'm the fastest rider you have!"

[@samwisegamgee8318]

more Mary Sue girlbossing! yay!

[@neutronalchemist3241]

"Daughter, at your age you should have learnt that is't the horse, not the rider".

[@RhysHennessey]

Looks like she’ll be flying an eagle too! 💀

[@pauloazuela8488]

That means she can just travel faster

[@curtis5799]

Peter jackson: "We didnt want to put our baggage into it" War of the Rohhirim: 😅

[@Positiva360]

He still didn't want to... 😜

[@michellestr8998]

Remember how th Hobbit movies were all ruined by one obnoxious character?

[@joshhudson7413]

@@michellestr8998 Phillipa Boyens and Fran Walsh handled most of Tauriels character. I sense this is another one of those situations

[@phousefilms]

@@michellestr8998 ....Who? Was it Alfrid? I'm almost positive(the extended cut at least had him killed off. Everyone wanted something similar for Jar Jar, lol.)

[@notloomecy6619]

We don't hate female characters. We hate when we are promised an already established character that we already like and his story is completely eradicated, put on the back burner, or completely morphed into something unrecognisable. This is Helm Hammerhand's story, that's what we wanted and most importantly, expected to see but instead we have that ripped out of our hands and it's replaced by something subpar.

[@michellestr8998]

Im female, and Im starting to hate them. OMG! Just ONE fantasy film with no girlboss lead is too much to ask for? They even had to turn the Witcher into two girlboss show.

[@stephanieveloso5326]

I agree. I fear they are gonna make this another "Mary Sue" character with no character flaws to overcome; she's just perfect, and everyone else is the problem. It's sad to say, but I am very skeptical of any movies with female leads now because of this Hollywood trend.

[@laheja]

And there is a canonical girlboss they could make a show about, Haleth of Haladins from first era. But it does not seem to be just about girlbosses but writers/producers wishing to write their own fanficion to original I.P, which can also be fine (Though just creating original universe alongside it would be preferable), if marketed and presented as such, e.g: "This is our what IF instead of Helm Hammerhand being main character in that era it was instead his unnamed daughter who saved the Rohirrim and this story takes part in an alternative Middle-earth etc."

[@zan_len]

​@@michellestr8998same, it's literally empowering to no one and I'm honestly starting to find it offensive, it's like the evolution of mysoginy lmao

[@SakumaComenta]

another empowered woman, who will defeat an army. congratulations warner.

[@jksouthern]

I won't pay a penny to watch this in a theater. Whats next.....Gollums hobbit sister seeks revenge on Mordor.

[@hardworkingslacker7233]

​@@jksouthern Or a story about the grave oppression of orcs by men and how Sauron is actually their liberator.

[@kennethsatria6607]

@@hardworkingslacker7233 Im pretty sure its made very clear everywhere you look that the orcs view Sauron as a lesser, devil they know sort of leader rather than a liberator. But they absolutely do not expect kindness or mercy from Men because of what they were bred to do as soldiers, its actually the huge tragedy of orcs that Tolkein aknowledged, they were never given a chance to be anything more than the product of the Dark Lords.

[@hardworkingslacker7233]

@@kennethsatria6607 True, but I was cynically talking from the perspective of a modern holliwood writer, trying to paint unequivocally evil beings as actually good and just moral agents. Orcs may be tragic victims of their circumstances, given that they were elves once, but that doesn't mean that they are any less evil.

[@jedijones]

From the Wiki about Tolkien's Helm Hammerhand story: The scene about the arranged marriage appears to be accurate to the book. The Wiki then says this incident started a war between the tribes, initiated by the "evil" tribe seeking revenge against Helm's tribe for the death of their leader. One thing that's not in the story is any mention of Helm's daughter outside of her being part of the attempted arranged marriage. Helm, his two sons and his nephew fight in the war, but not her. She isn't even given a name in the book, although the other characters are. So, everything in this trailer involving Helm's daughter, after the marriage incident, is apparently an invention of the movie's writers.

[@Tamikawashere]

I wonder why they made her the most important character? And why she is blowing the horn instead of Helm?

[@jedijones]

@@Tamikawashere Looks like they wanted to make a movie about a "strong woman," and rewrote Tolkien's story to squeeze it in.

[@lockekappa500]

I mean technically anything but those two pages is also an invention of the movie's writers. Right? So how is this any different?

[@andyv3578]

​@@lockekappa500because one might be a creative adaptation of the works and the other is the virtue signalling girlboss trope

[@bacholis]

This should be top comment

[@Hendulki]

So you make a anime with THE HELM HAMMERHAND and sideline him for his daughter that wasnt even named in the books? AND YOU COULDNT EVEN GIVE HER A ROHIRRIM NAME? fantastic

[@ultimateshipper8997]

Her name is NOT Greek Hera but Old English _Héra._ welcome to the world where different languages get similar sounding words!

[@libertyprime1614]

@@ultimateshipper8997 Her name Mary from the house of Sue.

[@tydyman2003]

@@ultimateshipper8997 right

[@ultimateshipper8997]

@@libertyprime1614 did you come up with that all by yourself? Impressive! SNL should hire you.

[@libertyprime1614]

@@ultimateshipper8997 That will be too good for modern SNL, and you know it.

[@joelschmierer3544]

i finally got the point of the lord of the rings. the 20 rings are one for each finger and toe

[@TheNorseAmerican]

Why did Eowyn have to disguise herself as a man if the Rhohirrim had a 200 year history of female warriors?

[@huntertaylor4424]

The main reason why is not because the Rohirrim did not believe women could fight, but because Theoden did not want Eowyn to do so. Theoden prohibits Eowyn from fighting because he entrusts her with leading Rohan should he and Eromer fall in battle. Eowyn, like Merry, have to hide their identity because Theoden explicitly told them they could not come. And chances are someone would tell Theoden if they noticed Eowyn was riding openly

[@platypipope328]

Because they want to do eowyns arc but ignore the fact that it's not portrayed as a positive thing

[@casualgaming2351]

The Rohirrim always had a history of fighting woman. This came why there geographical location. Still there where mostly keeped away from the frontline..because every king of Rohan knew how importasnt they where for the survival of the Rohirrim as a whole.

[@GallowglassVT]

Eowyn says in both the books and the films that Rohirrim women have learned how to fight. They just rarely went into battle.

[@anon-yw4wd]

@huntertaylor4424 20 minutes ago The main reason why is not because the Rohirrim did not believe women could fight, but because Theoden did not want Eowyn to do so. Theoden prohibits Eowyn from fighting because he entrusts her with leading Rohan should he and Eromer fall in battle. Eowyn, like Merry, have to hide their identity because Theoden explicitly told them they could not come. And chances are someone would tell Theoden if they noticed Eowyn was riding openly This is literally wrong and a total fabrication.

[@wortdyonisos0867]

Helm Hammerhand: "and where was Gondor ..."

[@pentagram4745]

They're at a war too.

[@druidverjin3731]

in Gondor 😆

[@cypherofsmeg9020]

He obviously didn't light the beacons 🤷‍♂

[@tezz2698]

Idk man, kinda feel like making a film about a warrior princess from Rohan is kind of stepping on Eowyn's toes.

[@PettyCrow-n9c]

Eowyn wasn't a warrior princess though, and she barely even won the fight she did have. This is different.

[@Breaker2005]

The red head chick wasn't even a named character in the books. In the books, Helm Hammerhead's sister's son took the throne after Helm died.

[@roluevasreisa5730]

​@@Breaker2005 And of course this is going to be woke girl boss nonsense

[@rubytuesday2682]

That's 100 % what i fear

[@roluevasreisa5730]

​@PettyCrow-n9c She defeated one of the greatest evils in middle earth and you call that a barely won fight? She defeated someone even Gandalf couldn't beat And with Gandalf he just stood there Menacingly!!! For Eown he busted out the gigantic flail and Eowyn still survived

[@iknowwhy2629]

I like that this time around, it's a fresh and new tale. something we just don't see much of these days. a tale of a girl being told that she has to marry someone she does not want to, that she can't do some things. but she eventually overcomes those prejudices and proves everyone that she is as strong if not stronger than anyone else.

[@adrianreichelt7057]

Hey, sarcasm, I get it!

[@MonstaTrapz]

So brave

[@NBmad]

"you had me the first half not gonna lie"

[@zmonty07]

Obvious Bad Guy: *punches Obvious Good King in the face* Obvious Good King: *punches Obvious Bad Guy back* Obvious Bad Guy's Son: I can't believe you've done this!

[@lettergam6282]

I mean,this is based on Tolkien after all

[@smithynoir9980]

Right! That guy picked a fight and lost, the son making threats over the consequences of his father's own actions is just pathetic.

[@prosimian]

In the LOTR universe, white beard = good guy. Saruman is the exception I guess

[@shivamarya5225]

It's lord of the rings man. The main bad guy was called dark lord most times and his kingdom is called Mordor like murder

[@comicmoniker]

​@@prosimian ah but you see, that's why Gandalf didn't suspect him! Saruman was using the beard to masquerade as a good guy!

[@justinparker7712]

They girl bossed it. This is THE story of Helm Hammerhand and 90% of the trailer is some girl nobody cares about?

[@arishokqunari1290]

Well the movie's name is "War of the Rohirrim", not "Helm Hammerhand"

[@andrewsnow3973]

​@@arishokqunari1290yea, that's like writing star wars a new hope without Vader and luke. Lol.

[@smaugballer7337]

​@@arishokqunari1290wow. Thank you very much. I never knew her name was "War of the Rohirrim".

[@romusa10]

​@@arishokqunari1290because helm hammerhand objectively the most influential, the main protagonist and the driving force of the war of the rohirim's story arc Its like adapting a beloved story like lion king but instead of focusing on Simba's heroes journey, they change it to revolves around his nameless cousin

[@teachergeorge7571]

My bigger issue is the animation. It honestly looks terrible. It looks like one of those cheap Chinese CGI cartoons for kids or a cutscene from a PS2 game. I was hoping for something similar to Akira, Ghost In The Shell or Paprika.

[@TunMyintAUNG-e2h]

I'm not here for the trailer, I'm here for the comments.

[@ceasarsaran8573]

I hear you

[@milton2137]

Another movie about strong, independent woman? TOLKIEN DIDN'T EVEN REALLY BOTHER WRITING ANYTHING ABOUT HER LOL

[@L1623VP]

Tolkien didn't create Tauriel either, but that didn't stop Hollywood from "re-imagining" his universe with plenty of womanly empowerment, feminism, and patriarchal oppression that needed to be conquered by unlikeable, man-ish women with no vulnerability. Here we go again!

[@kidpeligro7878]

I'm confused, I don't remember in the appendices that there was a great female warrior among the Rohirrim around the period Helm Hammerhand was around. Who is this woman that appears to be the central figure of the film?

[@Lazarus573]

I guess you´ll find out by watching the movie.

[@jesuschrist7499]

​@@Lazarus573 yeah keep watch this lgbt products 😂

[@benprice9375]

Why do you have to change the storyline? Tolkien's storylines are masterpieces... why do you do this?!

[@brunosichieriprimiano2513]

it'll be another bait and switch: Helm is a secondary character who gives space to his girl-boss daughter fights the patriarchy

[@michellestr8998]

You can already see it's going to be about a Gen Z girlboss. And she is already fighting patriarchy. How dare someone suggest that she marry!

[@marissashantez6051]

You can easily tell the main character is the red haired woman fighting the patriarchy.

[@johnkelly7940]

Definiutely fduck off and stay away if you can't handle a story about a woman. Maybe you can borrow JD Vance's couch when he's done.

[@Stefantius]

it just sucks that we're bigots and sexists for noticing, shame on us

[@etainapgwynnedd827]

Oh, little precious has already seen this months before it's release? Got a special showing did you? No? My advice, shut the f* up because no one cares about the opinions of a bratty little boy until they've actually seen what they are trashing.

[@marcomcl]

It's amazing how they just keep on missing the mark...its actually impressive, not on Star Wars level ruined but still impressive

[@brandonfreeman4375]

True, also it's extremely disappointing to see that even PJ got fooled by Sauron's false promises of power and gold!

[@HolographicThoughts]

I know Kenji Kamiyama isn't a household name, but damn he's one of the best in the anime industry. The only way this would be bad is if hollywood producers told him to pander to modern audiences. Otherwise, this could be incredible.

[@haky10era]

As Tolkien fan and one of those who read LOTR, The Hobbit, Silmarilion and other things of his writing about The Middle-Earth, I felt somewhat unease with this. It almost like "idea is good, but there is something about it like'a "Ring of Power" vibe"... I will watch it with low expectations for not to be disappointed, and recommending others to have no high hopes on it

[@Shakor77]

Something about it? It is clearly yet another woke, female-empowered girl boss garbage.

[@amdi8966]

You’re all a bunch of twats. Seriously, you guys are more pathetic than a Star Trek fans 😂

[@loveylace4541]

Tolkien fan here as well. My collection of books stands just next to me. This director is the same of Ghost in the Shell, Kenji Kamiyama. He's used to writing female characters who don't have men coming to their rescues. So, yes, it'll be good. And it's not even me who's overexcited, it's my best friend who's overjoyed because Ghost is one of his favourite animes.

[@WarrioroftheWest7]

That’s how I feel. The Rings of P(uke) didn’t even try to stay true to the source material, or Tolkien’s vision. I hope this does.

[@haky10era]

@@loveylace4541 Friend, I am just saying that anything possible, and especially after few burns in recent releases (and I am not telling about the RoP) it is safe to not overhyping. And that's all

[@theautumnfox9890]

less than 20 words mention the girl in a discussion and in the trailer she appears climbing a frozen mountain with peaks and acting as a protagonist It smells to me like it ended up being similar to the power rings

[@BlueHooloovoo]

Would you rather she be a completely invented character like Tauriel in 'The Hobbit' films? This movie is based on the LOTR films. If you were okay with the changes made in those adaptations of the books then why aren't you okay with this? Seems like a double-standard.

[@michellestr8998]

@@BlueHooloovoo It makes absolutely no difference, because she is invented. None of this is any different that Tauriel. This is not what Tolkien wrote.

[@BlueHooloovoo]

@@michellestr8998 She isn't invented, she exists in the book. They are just expanding upon the character. Helm Hammerhand did have a daughter. As I said before, if you are okay with Tom Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire being completely omitted from the movies than you should have no problem with this. Quit complaining about superficial things. It's childish and makes you look like a killjoy who is incapable of having any fun.

[@marissashantez6051]

@@BlueHooloovoo No, they are not expanding on the character, they are inventing stuff she never did, and Tolkien would never have written. Taking things out is completely different then adding things that do not belong, and completely change the feel of the story. You need to understand that the addition of girl bosses overused trope kills the joy for 90% of any fandom at this point. So, they simply need to learn the lesson; No Gorlbosses at all in established and beloved IPs. There is simply no way these characters can ever be made tolerable.

[@DuxAKADuke]

​@@BlueHooloovoo you'll just invent anything in your little head to look smart

[@jogleby]

There is a reason they call him Helm Hammerhand.

[@abcun17]

I think we're getting Hemma Hammerdinga instead...

[@Shakor77]

He will barely be in the movie. This is yet another female-empowered woke bastardization.

[@KiloSoraSilva-rl1kq]

​@@abcun17 but at least we get to see Helm Hammerhand in hand-to-hand combat... I'll take what I can get...

[@KiloSoraSilva-rl1kq]

​@@abcun17actually is their a LoTR review channel... Just so I can know whether or not this series is what I hope it isn't...

[@BajanShinobi]

@@KiloSoraSilva-rl1kq What do you hope it isn't?

[@AJ-yl5lt]

Dad: Girl you know nothing about war. Girl: You have not seen what I have seen!

[@stuntman083]

"I'll throw a temper tandrum like you've never seen"

[@charleslaine]

She's entitiled to be the big boss because some little brat Rohirrim boys threw rocks at and sank her magic paper boat when she was a wee lass.

[@EllieBergeron92]

THERE'S A TEMPEST IN ME!!!

[@isaacnikolic5895]

This isn't Tolkien. This is a generic fantasy.

[@Nopeasaurus]

"You could rule the world" is a modern and exaggerated term of endearment that has no place in a world that is in danger of actual world conquest by a supernatural force of evil. Why the writers thought this was a fitting or even touching line of dialogue is mind boggling. I'm hoping its just a line uttered in the trailer and not in the final product.

[@elliotmorrison8069]

Started of great, then I realised it was about the daughter 😢

[@hardbrocklife]

And it's supposed to be Frealeafs story, nephew of Helm Hammerhand. We got a gender swapped bait and switch.

[@funkydiscogod]

​@@hardbrocklife In the lore, apparently his daughter is unnamed. I can already tell what happened: activists read that and thought: "everyone around her is just taking credit for her work."

[@RacingSnails64]

And that's a bad thing? She looks like she'll have a very similar arc to Eowyn, who was in the original LOTR. There's been tons of female fighters in stories before, like Ripley from Alien who is universally beloved?

[@austin_madore9417]

@@RacingSnails64you don’t understand bro

[@scorelessbow128]

There's nothing wrong with the female character. What's wrong is that there is plenty of material to use which includes actual material and female characters, but you can tell the writers chose the same trope, instead of actually using good material.

[@VRmission38]

This kind of stuff is affecting EVERY story universe. It’s quite inescapable at this point. Years from now I wonder what they will call this era of storytelling?

[@aputin654]

the era of canine excrement

[@Nopeasaurus]

The girlboss era. Strong female characters whose strength lies not in their intelligence, wisdom, or compassion but how well they can swing a sword and how they can do it better than men.

[@sarahsax1054]

Outdated, I hope.

[@OptimusGPrime]

Project Equality: All the Colors of the Rainbow, No Gender Identity Not Represented, and Everyone is included and Guaranteed! (Warning: white males not guaranteed)

[@snellavision]

Since it will be the children and grandchildren of the crapheads who made these turds they'll no doubt call it something ridiculously positive and a blatant lie

[@aramfitzgerald7450]

if they make the protagonist into another indestructible girl boss with no flaws it'll be just as big of a flop as rings of power.

[@hardbrocklife]

Its already gender swapped. This story was Frealeafs in the books, Helms nephew.

[@RacingSnails64]

Agreed, but it looks more like Eowyn's arc where she's trying to prove herself and navigating medieval society as a woman, not some preachy "woe is me" route that female-led stories usually take these days. Could be proven wrong, but it's looking decent so far.

[@nikolaiBigideas]

@@RacingSnails64 it stinks dude , theres literally a line " I am the bestest ever" ... yeah right ... f off with this garbage

[@aramfitzgerald7450]

@@RacingSnails64 I sincerely hope you're right. I love a good female protagonist ( like Eowyn, Elastigirl, or Ripley). I've just been hurt so many times lately by movies and shows that wear the face of something I love only to deliver a massively disappointing violation of the source material. It's made me a bit skeptical of new things that look like fun.

[@chubbyninja89]

Yeah, exactly. I just hate the fact that because of such idiots that we can't just get hyped for a project anymore. We almost *always* have to worry about what sort of BS some idiots might try to shove into it now.