The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim | Official Trailer

[@ArtiOpal]

The only thing I’m worried about is people trying to produce more and more middle earth spin off series and having it turn out like Star Wars

[@AnnaMarianne]

Yes. I'd rather have them leave Middle-earth alone.

[@davidekamp5542]

This Is a movie

[@voolproov]

Yeah looks like now it's just a "franchise" to produce "content" for. Since Christopher Tolkien's death, it seems the estate is just selling the rights off to the highest bidder

[@jimtilemanns]

Oliphants, Eagles...they make no sense in Rohan. We are already in Star wars territory

[@doncoyote68]

@@mrsardonicus513 Don't be an idiot.

[@alextbo7138]

Thank God they made the original Lord of the rings movies in the early 2000s

[@Halfshanks]

ikr

[@entropy7705]

It's funny cause Peter Jackson's movies are very flawed in terms of adapations but they're probably the best we're gonna get.

[@chester_hobbs]

Animation looks like it's from the 70s.💩

[@dobronxoliveira262]

@@chester_hobbsshow me those animations from the 70s

[@erenyeagerist7681]

​@@chester_hobbsdon't project your 💩 70's western cartoons on anime

[@korliyon2283]

"But 200 years before that, there was an older tale." Yup, that's how time works.

[@jvask33zie]

But 20 minutes ago, there was an older tale....hits just as hard

[@Transformers217]

In this universe, that’s nothing. At least for the Elves.

[@fricholas7608]

Just be happy we are getting some lotr content.

[@umainebearman]

Wow, edge lord.

[@Stoutfam2017]

I mean, there could have NOT been a tale

[@acidtripediting]

All I can say is, showing clips from the original instead of letting this new movie stand on its own is a bad omen.

[@real.revJosva]

I think they were trying to show it's connection, that they intend to build on what we love instead of create something new we won't like, like Amazon did.

[@TalesLord]

It makes sense given that Miranda Otto comes back as Eowyn to narrate the story.

[@chilir2780]

The original?

[@alejandrogorricho4791]

Not everyone is gonna know that this is also set in the sames world as the moviesbso it helps establish that to the average audience. And unfortunately to get financing and marketing the studio is gonna demand to bank on some nostalgia. But in this case It doesnt feel to bad, this is an anthology fil with no direct connection to the original plot or characters of the movies, and they're taking a massive risk by dropping a 2D animated movie in theaters with most animated movies nowadays being 3D or a mix of 3D with 2D.

[@DurinsBaneofExistence]

It's just to show Peter Jackson's involvement

[@haky10era]

Oh and remember folks, for Elves it was like 20 days ago))

[@army128]

Are you alright? Can you hear me?

[@CMDRKaiross07]

I knew there was going to be at least one frieren reference. Frieren would absolutely have a great time in middle earth

[@haky10era]

@@CMDRKaiross07 Dude, those joke were mainstream before Frieren... No offence but "I was there three thousand years ago" (Agent Elrond Smith)

[@tilionthemoon4151]

Tp klo emang dibandingin ama Frieren emang lebih tua Galadriel ama keluarga dan kawan2nya sih, secara klo ngikutin ceritanya mereka udah hidup dari zaman 2 pohon yg artinya itu udah lebih dari 2-3 ribu tahun yg lalu

[@alysdexia]

Who’s a folk?

[@mishkaroo]

There is definitely enough material in Tolkien's work for a movie based on Helm, but I struggle to understand why they should make his daughter (who was so insignificant, Tolkien didn't even name her) as the main character. The history of Middle-Earth has plenty of interesting female characters after all.

[@NordicJarl27]

From a review I heard it's to introduce new audiences to the story. She wasn't named in the books from what I hear so they using her as a stepping stone I guess for those who never even heard of the other characters.

[@williamowens]

Helm Hammer Hand should be the Main Character. Heck I'd watch a whole movie just about King Théoden

[@sirp7394]

New Audience actually means Modern Audience most likely lol

[@3149101044]

New audience means they want a “strong female lead with agency.” Because there aren’t enough movies or video games with “strong female leads with agency.”😂. I’m all for good characters, male, female , whatever . Typically modern female characters just aren’t interesting. They’re almost not human. There’s no struggle , no imperfection that makes them human.

[@TheWizardOnTheWeb]

could be simply rights and IP thing???

[@hopefullynotbutprobably6643]

Did you really need to have footage from the Jackson films to remind us, YES THIS IN THE LORD OF THE RINGS UNIVERSE

[@owlsayssouth]

no, but also yes? because lately, the pretender Rings of power has been, well, pretending to be LotR. this is done by WB who actually have the rights to LotR, expanding a story from it's apendices. in a right world, they wouldn't need to. but in this world, it kinda helps, as the amazon stuff cannot use that footage, even just for a trailer.

[@reek4062]

It's obvious, pathetic nostalgia-baiting.

[@madmanonyt9943]

It’s to show how it is directly connected to Peter Jackson’s trilogy, and not some trivial standalone effort, like The Rings of Power.

[@reek4062]

@@owlsayssouth Sigh. WB has the theatrical rights to LotR, while Amazon has the tv rights to LotR.

[@kennethsatria6607]

After Rings of Power, probably.

[@mayazmahmud1740]

LOTR fans : At last movie about helms hammerhand and his rage WB : ya cool but do you know about his unnamed daughter who ride very fast?

[@austinreed7343]

WB: we made her a redhead so you’d be happy with her.

[@justjeff386]

@@austinreed7343 They made her a red head because otherwise it would be more obviously just an Eowyn rip off.

[@austinreed7343]

@@justjeff386 And the reason she’s not black is because they wanted to placate us.

[@jonafave8167]

Why are they always ruining everything god damn it

[@austinreed7343]

@@jonafave8167 They’re trying to fix the superficial problems at least.

[@Naminski1a]

This is New Line Cinema's first animated movie since The Swan Princess (1994).

[@gryfon_gamez8184]

completely forgot about that movie

[@DestinyGarcia-t6l]

the 1st animated film for NLC in 30 years to be exact!

[@smachdos1593]

Interesting

[@Lilac-and-Gooseberries]

I loved The Swan Princess film!

[@Naminski1a]

@@Lilac-and-Gooseberries By the way, The Swan Princess is from Sony Pictures Home Entertainment and Nest Entertainment. On second thought, TriStar Pictures is my favorite Sony Pictures movie label.

[@marthvader14]

Don‘t start a fistfight with Helm HAMMERHAND

[@lulzalfest]

Wait isnt helm hammerhand one of the nazgul??

[@breezyimpressions]

Especially when your name is Guy Glassjaw.

[@khrowv]

@@lulzalfest In the Shadow of Mordor/War games, yes. In the original story, no I don't believe so. He fought some later battles but ultimately died. Some think he went mad later too

[@danielchilton5400]

@@lulzalfestno. He died by freezing to death in the snow still standing. He’s buried in the mound that flowers whitest with Simbelmynë

[@TimmyJay02]

200 years and still the same technology.

[@riderofthemark6661]

Respect the lore written by Tolkien, that's the only thing we ask.

[@ninjagamer1359]

There’s certainly better odds of that coming from this group than from those who did Rings of Power

[@adfad3634]

Well in Tolkien's lore Hera was nothing but the daughter of Helm Hammerhand. How did she suddenly become Mulan only god knows

[@lightninlarry8936]

They won’t. This is a fan fiction.

[@Simon.Lewis.but.in.queer_34]

😌👌

[@ninjagamer1359]

@@lightninlarry8936 It’s adapting lore from the appendices. It’s not invented whole-cloth.

[@philbofettiArchive]

'I'm the fastest rider you have.' That would entirely be dependent on the horse's ability.

[@Jonboi-jh3xc]

You must be fun to watch movies with. I bet you also roll your eyes when people take their helmets off in sci fi movies and loudly say how that’s unrealistic of them to do.

[@philbofettiArchive]

@@Jonboi-jh3xc nah

[@le-chevalier-renaud]

Being lighter as rider does allow the horse to go faster and get less tired. So that does make sense.

[@philbofettiArchive]

@@le-chevalier-renaud that’s true

[@remidragon8458]

Yeah it’s all the horses speed so it’s old you are now the slowest rider. If you said your a skilled swordswoman than that make sense.

[@goyasolidar]

And here I stupidly thought this was going to focus on Helm Hammerhand.

[@silver9wolf6]

Same...

[@brettpid6416]

an old white man? where have you been the last 8 years 😅

[@madbigborz]

1: he's a man 2: he's white 3: see 1 and 2

[@bukelos2804]

​@@madbigborzu forgot to add that he's heterosexual :D

[@madbigborz]

@@bukelos2804 you're absolutely right

[@wenyaochang2953]

king: you know nothing about war. princess: I am the fastest rider you have. ....ok, then you can be a scout.

[@jamiewilson2832]

But then she gets to ride A FREAKIN' EAGLE. Rohirrim horses are amazing, but I will take the eagle any day.

[@clownofthetimes6727]

@@jamiewilson2832 And there goes all the immersion if she does. It is already stretching Tolkien`s writings beyond our imagination. If she rides an eagle then it proves that this is just another generic fantasy cash grab using the Tolkien name to sell it`s wares.

[@fantasywind3923]

@@clownofthetimes6727 yeah...why the Eagles other than recognizeable feature,..the Eagles are not involved in this story nor have they ever any special connection with the Rohirrim...on the other hand if they put in the Mearas....THAT would make sense...the Mearas as special 'magical' breed of horses...intelligent capable of understanding human speech...an ancestor of Shadowfax as the animal sidekick would make more sense...the Mearas are only ever ridden by the royalty of Rohan.

[@DavidSkinner-v2p]

​@@fantasywind3923 No, that would require them to have a deep knowledge of Arda's lore.

[@julietalazo7954]

@@fantasywind3923also, I remember reading somewhere in Tolkien’s books that the eagles are like masters of the sky, they’re precious to Manwe who created them. The eagles aren’t some beasts to be tamed, who come at others beck and call. The only time they showed up was after something hugely important and by the way no human brought them, usually it was through someone non human who had magic to call them. So I’m not sure what they’re trying to do with this 😢

[@jonathanyaloussa]

I don't know if it's just me, but to hear Helm say, "My pride, my joy. You could rule the world" isn't the kind of things heroes are supposed to say in Middle Earth. But I'll wait and see.

[@AnnaMarianne]

You and me. Sounds pretty Melkorian/Sauronian.

[@DMIwriter]

@@jonathanyaloussa You can't make true LotR content without understanding the fundamental worldview of Tolkien, especially his view on what makes people heroic. Tolkien's view of heroism are people who do the right thing because it's the right thing to do and resort to violence not for glory or power, but to defend good and beautiful things. And even when they do use violence, they do so without glee - somberly and with restraint. To quote Faramir: "I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend."

[@FlegiasRahl]

there are no heroes in Middle-Earth u can watch MCU for it.

[@gutic27]

In the middle Earth it is very clear evil is bad and good is good. Same as rings of power this is not lotr actually

[@Anti-demonXXI]

This show is just another DEI bs. They don't understand actual virtues, LOTR is not for evil people.

[@sondangthai4885]

This must be the Tolkien fans version of being rick rolled…

[@zach9962]

😂😂😂

[@rlindstrom3]

It seems that anything new related to Lord of the Rings requires that there must be at least one scene of a woman climbing the side of an icy mountain cliff

[@silver9wolf6]

I didn't even make that connection but that's pretty funny 😂

[@jakubosinski1083]

But the Wall finally always wins ;)

[@HobieBrown97]

​@@knighthawk882you are not well

[@Bane1Mirin]

You wasn’t meant to say that out loud 😂

[@Golfballtauchen]

Anime. Its normal there.

[@Pokemonashgreen2]

They got a good anime director involved. Most of you well known him for doing the Ghost in the Shell tv series, the Blade runner anime and a episode of Star Wars visions.

[@SG-us4gz]

If this is a "good" anime director, I'd hate to see what you consider "bad".

[@Pokemonashgreen2]

@@SG-us4gz I really can't think of a terrible anime director.

[@pithicusthen554]

​​@@SG-us4gzAre you for real? He's a genuinely good director. What has he done that's bad? Don't tell you you're one of those morons who heard the words "Star Wars visions" and had a visceral reaction like that of a child going "wa wa wa, modern Star wars wa wa wa."

[@BjornBS]

@@SG-us4gz I mean, the dude pretty much introduced anime to the western world with Akira. That's gotta count for something.

[@tonymata8070]

​@@Pokemonashgreen2 Same, I don't know any horrible anime directors.

[@Rekaert]

Are we really doing the, "Rohan princess wants to lead and fight but is looked down upon by the men so she has to prove herself" story, again? That was essentially Eowyn's arc through Lord of the Rings. I hope they tell it in an interesting way. There's only so many times I can watch the same story before it starts to feel thin, sort of stretched, like butter scraped over too much bread ...

[@TheWolfehound]

you need some tissue for those little girls tear's 😢😢😢

[@TheZamaron]

Honestly with how little women are allowed to fight in Middle Earth it's either that type of plot or she likely does barely much, so I don't mind. I'll give this a chance since Peter Jackson is involved, can't be worse then Rings Of Power.

[@davidm.corbin4643]

You do realize that the shield maidens of Rohan are considered great warriors? And that there's not that many of them. Most of the women in Rohan are just regular women. But of the noble line of men The daughters of the House of Edoras are expected to be skilled in battle.

[@Nalehw]

I don't think "no female characters get to be cool" would have been good, and I don't think "there's total equality in this era, shush, don't ask why it suddenly became unequal 200 years later" would have been good... ...but it's still not very exciting to get Literally Just Eowyn again. Surely there was another option.

[@_Jeremy]

They won't.

[@purifiedyou]

Appealing to the wrong audience always does great!

[@BlazinNSoul]

It doesn't even appeal to that auidence. This is typical lazy WB cel computer animation. A newer cheaper method to animate traditional animation but I don't like the results.

[@JLee-g6w]

@@BlazinNSoulYep. This movie will flop.

[@purifiedyou]

@@BlazinNSoul whats new!

[@austinreed7343]

@@purifiedyou This is technically the right audience but it’s too late for that.

[@AMVmushroom]

looks amazing. cant wait

[@Doomin-c2m]

LotR fans: "I want Helm Hammerhand." WB: "Best I can do is his unnamed daughter."

[@BlueHooloovoo]

@user-oo8oj1hl8k watch the damn movie then make a judgment. It's not that hard you clod!

[@lenajohnson6179]

idk that's what happened... I think most days, LotR fan's don't even remember Helm Hammerhand exists and he's just a loosely formed lore tidbit. it's more like... WB: "Hey guys, want a Helm Hammerhand movie?" LotR fans: "Oh... yeah that could be cool?" WB: "Here's his unnamed daughter."

[@fenrir-art4742]

@@Doomin-c2m unnamed daughter: I want a giant eagle, my own adventure, a dark tall handsome stud, and to steal credit

[@LancerEvo24]

😂😂😂😂

[@michellestr8998]

Who now has the Greek name of Hera.

[@maniak69881]

I was under the impression that this would be the tale of helm hammerhand, not his daughter. Seems much more centered around her.

[@meurumtrain4747]

Seems to be both

[@jedijones]

Girlboss gonna girlboss.

[@TheNorseAmerican]

She is obviously the focus, as was never even named in the novels

[@alejandrocovacevich6701]

I am afraid of another woke female empowered character and a product that portraits men as stupid and useless... Reminded me of Guyladriel from Rop :c

[@DMIwriter]

Honestly, them opening with extensive footage from the original trilogy worries me. It feels like they are trying too hard to attach themselves to the original beloved IP. But maybe I'm just cynical after Rings of Power and the Gollum game

[@John-b1z3x]

Can’t wait for the story of Helm Hammer Hand - oh wait.

[@ultimateshipper8997]

Indeed the movie's name is Helm Hammerha- oh wait!

[@AerysIIFirstofhisname]

@@ultimateshipper8997 Yeah I mean guess we should've expected an unnamed girl boss to be forced into being the main character .

[@Morcorco]

@@ultimateshipper8997 The name is "War of -Rohirrim- Made-up Female Tribe Lead By Nameless Helm's Daughter"

[@Xnvasxve]

Sooo yall only complaint is woman bad...?? I get waning to focus on a character that's already well established and loved in the lore.. but I mean seriously.

[@Morcorco]

Nah. If it was an unnamed son that did nothing in the books it would be the same problem. The thing is writers wouldn't choose a son. They picked a daughter as protagonist only because she's a woman, then they wrote the story revolving around that fact.

[@colorforce5530]

I enjoyed my first tour of Warner Bros. Studios! Thank you for promoting it for me and lots of others. And I'm glad you all loved two of my shells.

[@JonS]

"You could rule the world" is not a line Tolkien would have penned, unless it was one of Melkor's or Sauron's followers saying it to them.

[@waifuhoarder272]

Since this was the Dubbed version, the translators more than likely changed up the words for a Western Audience. It will be interesting to see what the Original Japanese language says.

[@ulmo-r4z]

maybe not.. but i could hear a father, a kingly father saying it to his daughter. Didn't feel off to me.

[@JonS]

@@ulmo-r4z the good characters in Tolkien's writings don't talk like that. The Rohirrim were gifted the land of Rohan after Eorl the Young came to Gondor's aid. The Rohirrim respresent an idealize model of an honorable culture. They would not have tried to seize land that didn't belong to them (especially land that is the right of the descendants of Numenor). As an aside, Peter Jackson screwed this up. He didn't understand Tolkien's vision for the Rohirrim. In the books, Theoden (once freed from Saruman's spell by Gandalf) never questions that he would ride to Gondor's aid. He is bound by ancient oaths to do so. Breaking oaths has very serious consequences in Tolkien's writings. The Dead that Aragorn rallies to his cause are testament to that. They are spirits who cannot depart the world until they fulfilled their oath. Theoden would never have asked why he should ride to Gondor's aid, when Gondor didn't ride to theirs, as he did in the movie.

[@missAlice1990]

@@waifuhoarder272 The original language is English. Unless all those British voice actors listed as the cast speak Japanese. But I doubt it.

[@yoghurtania1025]

@@JonS "Rohirrim wouldn't seize land that didn't belong to them" Despite litereally stealing land from Dundlanders lol who lived on it for centuries before numenorians did a bit of imperialism.

[@channelbelongtous]

Uh-h, climbing an ice wall with daggers, I get flashbacks

[@colcat1]

She is a bawsgarl that didn't want to get married, she appears in the books as ''unnamed daughter unknown'', she becomes a warrior and does a bunch of things that don't appear in the books, yep, checks out. This just a little step away from being a Rings of power Galadriel or a Tauriel stand alone movie, lmao.

[@phoenixrose1192]

@@colcat1 At least they’re not trying to rewrite a fully established character like they’re doing with Galadriel and many other elves apparently (I haven’t wasted my time on the series). I’m going to give this a chance though, it looks interesting and I have a soft spot for the Eorlingas. As long as they keep the rest of the characters as they should be, like Hammerhand, then it should be well made.

[@RiannaPeterson]

from what?

[@RiannaPeterson]

​You spelled that 4th word wrong, go back to shcool little man.

[@channelbelongtous]

@@RiannaPeterson RIngs of Power (*visible disguist)

[@BirdsFlyinHigh]

It's always a good sign when they start their movie trailer with clips from another movie.

[@ceasarsaran8573]

HAHAHA!

[@missAlice1990]

Kinda like they started The Marvels trailer with clips from Endgame...

[@jgriffin9084]

Remember this thing you like? Like this new thing now

[@AaronConway-hh4fe]

@@MasquedMochadirectly related how? It’s 200 years before, just because it’s in the same place? Like saying the 1865 war is related to 9/11

[@katherinec2759]

@@AaronConway-hh4fe Funny thing about that... First of all, I think you mean the War of 1812, because that's closer to 200 years before 9/11. Second, there are a LOT of things that happened both during the War of 1812 and in the 1860s, including several wars there, that are directly relevant to how international politics played out over the next 200 years, including 9/11. Besides, the last clip specifically ties it in to the main trilogy, referencing Sauron searching for the One Ring. And that whole saga had been going on for 3,000 years, so yes, it is connected.

[@hououinkyouma3864]

Yeah, why make the story about one of the most famous and most badass character in the story, let's make the unnamed daughter the star!!

[@marcusaurelius5149]

There it is! The old bait-n-switch we've grown accustomed to seeing. Helm Hammerhand is switched out with his nameless daughter.

[@Yoni123]

What do you mean?

[@KevinOnEarth_]

^ for the sake of DEI which is even worse I’m afraid.

[@jacobsampsonis7782]

​@@Yoni123they bait you with the story you want to hear (the one that isn't made up by a third party) and usurp the roles and focus of other characters into their own made up ones, to chase a trend that doesn't actually exist.. (like the witcher show turning yen into a bigger character than she already is, by taking things other characters did and giving them to her)

[@BabyJesus440]

Apparently the unnamed daughter is a skilled fighter stronger than a seasoned warrior and even Wulf.

[@Shadow66090]

Yup. Another show making Tolkien spin in his grave. At this point, hook a generator on his remnants and you have an infinte source of energy.

[@arturleperoke3205]

Trailer: *unnecessarily and unaesthetically weaves scenes from LotR-Movies into it* Warner Bros: "Do you meember? I meeember!"

[@sclarin2]

jangle those keys baby

[@ODragao93]

It's as if there was some out of touch wokoid-NPC-bugman who said in a meeting, "How can we appeal to those insufferable (white men) millennial Tolkien fans? Let's crop some footage of the Jackson films in." They believe that putting that in will sway us and distract us from their consistent battering and agenda. We press on brothers.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

It's worse than that. The story isn't even about Helm Hammerhand. It's literally about his daughter finding a "secret tribe of all women warriors who were lost to history." The trailer is 100% a bait and switch.

[@AimForMyHead81]

They kinda have to do that. Rings of Power is completely separate from the Peter Jackson/Warner Brothers movies and isn't connected to them in any way. Amazon only has the rights to Rings of Power (a fanfiction based on the appendix sections at the end of RoK). Every other Tolkien adaptation belongs to Warner Brothers. It's to avoid confusion.

[@AimForMyHead81]

​@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat Helm Hammerhand is a fairly static character who sticks around Edoras and dies before the end of the conflict. Wouldn't really make sense to set the movie around him. The OC character is more peripheral and allows the viewer to witness the conflict firsthand.

[@jake_gon_jinn]

“Arise, arise, riders of Rohan! Fell deeds awake, fire and slaughter! Spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered! A sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!"

[@KinglyRed]

DEAAAAAATH!!!

[@julianherrera3130]

DEATH!!!!

[@thatoneguy7765]

DEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATH!!!

[@Rachel-ht3rf]

@@thatoneguy7765 Forth Eorlingas!

[@SirNeto21]

DEAAAAAATH!!!!

[@Nopeasaurus]

"You could rule the world" is a modern and exaggerated term of endearment that has no place in a world that is in danger of actual world conquest by a supernatural force of evil. Why the writers thought this was a fitting or even touching line of dialogue is mind boggling. I'm hoping its just a line uttered in the trailer and not in the final product.

[@LynetteMcGrath]

I, for one, am sick of the girl boss characters who are better, stronger and faster than all the male warriors. Not how biology works...

[@marisaladson]

Weren't we promised a Helm hammerhand story?

[@armata_strigoi_0]

Yes, I distinctly remember that being how they initially promoted this. Guess it was a bait and switch.

[@brettpid6416]

your name and picture save you from being called an incel for your question

[@josefstalin9678]

​@@brettpid6416I mean, not entirely. I believe I've seen the term femcel thrown around before. Not saying it applies, just that it exists

[@seanmcfarlane9911]

if u watch the interview with phillipa it was obv going to be a girlboss story same as rings of power

[@jarogniewtheconqueror2804]

@@brettpid6416 There's nothing incel about that question though, what dumb logic are you using?

[@DarkEnv2]

My only concern with this is they’re making it seem like they’re gonna be overshadowing Helm Hammerhand’s story with his daughter’s.

[@Theriac24]

They definitely are, cuz wahmen.

[@tarzan8575]

They are, She didn't even have a name in the original story and now she's the main character. They can't just tell someone's story anymore. They have to insert their own ideas in to it to make it "better".

[@DarkEnv2]

@@tarzan8575 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@liamwilson7549]

@@tarzan8575cry harder, this is actually a good approach because it’s FRESH. how many times do you want me to read the same thing man? Grow a pair (if you respond to this you need to go outside and realize not everyone thinks the same way you do) How many of you even read the books. I guarantee 90% of you here have only watched the movies. Guess what, the movies were not faithful either.

[@LovelessGentleman]

@@liamwilson7549so having an opinion is crying?

[@magua9563]

I thought this series was supposed to focus on Helm being that it's an adaptation of his story? I don't think his daughter even had a name in the book if I remember correctly, she was more of a moral center for him if anything.

[@michellestr8998]

Now she is a strong girlboss.

[@jo2362]

​@@michellestr8998So?

[@davidhogg657]

Tedious girl boss guff. Must be shoehorned in.

[@gormhatre]

Well we are in the 21st century and women must be the warrior main character .

[@MHAAAAANZ]

@@gormhatreyepp, can’t wait to see a girl defeating men in a sword fight 🙄

[@hanisaadi]

I came here through an article that said this movie will take a que from Rings of Power... the lovers-to-enemies garbage thing they did with Galadrial and Sauron. The article also said they will take a route not based on canon - just like RoP (another bad sign) Also mentioned they will have a take consistent with "modern" audiences of having a heroine (not even mentioned/created in Tolkien's material) and giving her all this stuff Some of the dialogue and storytelling I've seen here tell me it'll be closer to RoP than the original Trilogy I feel very sad now....

[@natanaelhermon]

This daughter of Helm doesn't even have a name in the chronicles. Here they portray her as a hero, to the detriment of her father. I would really like to see a work that pays homage to Helm Hammerhand.

[@Timasion]

Actually, it's to the detriment of Fréaláf Hildeson, Helm's nephew, who led the Rohirrim after Helm's death to defeat the Dunlendings. He personally took back Edoras and killed Wulf. He was then named King of Rohan. They could then draw the connection back LotR because Fréaláf is Theoden's ancestor.

[@tbone177177]

And so we are in the age of the "girlboss" and they are many.

[@ukrmod]

@@tbone177177 Gonna cry?

[@kennethsatria6607]

Doesn't seem like a detriment, it seems like unlike most princess warriors she and him actually have a loving relationship, pair that with Helm in the story would've lost his two other sons to this conflict, this isn't out of the ordinary for a king or a father.

[@KrisRoberts114]

​@@ukrmod I've not heard someone say that since primary school, we can atleast hope it was meant in a humorous way

[@brianhowe1982]

Kinda worried they're going to make Helm a footnote in his own story.

[@johankvang7464]

He's a major reason the war starts in this trailer. How on earth would you fear he's going to be a footnote? Most likely he will not be the main POV-character. But that's not the same.

[@JohnSmith-og1xq]

They are going to give all of his feats to his daughter Honestly this movie is a predictable snooze fest She beats the bad guy without any effort There i saved you a watch

[@EatZeBugs]

@@JohnSmith-og1xq Yeah putting the Lore aside, this animation doesn't even look right to me. I am a big anime fan and the art doesn't look like what I expected it to be with Japanese animator doing this.

[@JohnSmith-og1xq]

@EatZeBugs I strongly agree it looks odd. I absolutely love anime

[@daerivoresilvein1420]

buddy its already too late for that You think he's gonna get anything but table scraps good luck.

[@lovetrolling4720]

Theoden wouldn’t even let Eowyn fight. Is this girl really going to be the main character?!

[@swellerferret2506]

Helm isn’t letting Hera fight either. But that’s not going to stop her from being another girlboss.

[@MollymaukT]

*me watching the trailers* "omfg why do they have to put mumakil in this instead of having just the Dunland man against the Rohirrim?! Lemme see how this went down in canon" *opens Appendix A: Annals of the Kings and Rulers, II: The House of Eorl* "Led by Wulf, the Dunlendings allied with the Easterlings, the Haradrim and the Corsairs of Umbar" "oh welp TIL"

[@sirdragon6860]

I really hope they actually mention that alliance in the movie as well and not just use that addendum to do their thing

[@ThomasHJ15]

It's a whole movie based on about two pages of text. They have plenty of scope to flesh out the story here - I wouldn't worry about details being skipped over.

[@tempestofflame]

@@MollymaukT Yeah and the Haradrim got there by ships. You think they carried a Mumakil on a ship? They're several times larger than elephants

[@rexxtank8165]

I have a (little) hope that Beren, the steward of Gondor, who was the greatest hero of that time, will appear and that he will marry Hera at the end of the film so that Tolkien's message about the friendship of Gondor and Rohan is maintained.

[@Lothiril]

​​@@tempestofflame The size of the Mûmakil is never given. They could be very well close enough to an elephant in size that they could be transported via ship.

[@bewolf16]

1:56; "The Horn of Helm Hammerhand, shall sound in the deep, 1 last time..." RIP Bernard Hill. He probably would have liked it.

[@umainebearman]

Pretty sure it's something he wouldnt watch.

[@resto776]

@@bewolf16 based on his past comments, he would absolutely loathe this lol

[@Duzz1412]

​@@resto776 what did he said?

[@bewolf16]

@@resto776 What did he comment? Never heard anything of him disliking Theoden. Just tried searching.

[@resto776]

@@bewolf16 regarding ROP: “It’s a money-making venture and I’m not interested in watching that or being in it,” Hill said. “Good luck to them and all that stuff but it’s not like the real thing.”

[@NobuhikuObayashi]

Every second of original trilogy footage in this is hilarious, as if the words “Lord of the Rings” don’t spell it out literally enough

[@CALAMITY0FHYRULE]

Prolly trying to distance himself from that god awful rings of power

[@neutronalchemist3241]

The authors had bee adamant in having specifically been inspired by Peter Jackson's version of LOTR. His aesthetic, settings, etc. It's a way to say "this is not like Rings of Power".

[@juanantoniolopez8292]

The message is "this is Peter Jackson's LOTR, not that thing called Rings of Power"

[@БогданКаушан-к4н]

@@CALAMITY0FHYRULE “Peter Jackson’s thing” that completely breaks HIS timeline. The last shot of “Mordor looking for rings” in this very time just breaks PJ’s timeline. It might be in Tolkien’s world, but not in the version that was included in Hobbit with Nazghul’s death in Arnor. There is no such thing as Mordor in this very time in PJ’s timeline. There are no Nazghul and no Sauron during this period. There might be some orcish tribes, but they are on their own Even ROP fits Jackson’s timeline much better

[@БогданКаушан-к4н]

@@CALAMITY0FHYRULEThey can just remove The Hobbit from PJ’s Middle-Earth, but that would be the worst decision ever, because they will never have an opportunity to remake it with the same original actors

[@manos2729]

Its a miracle that the lotr trilogy was made in the 2000s. A miracle that we are coming to understand day by day...

[@arthurspiriev544]

So the princess doesn't want to get married and wants to become the leader she knows she can be?!

[@LivresAudio]

The same plot of the failed snow white movie.

[@thor3901]

Same plot as Brave too

[@mansnothot1284]

so "fresh" never heard of that before amirite?

[@burnt-croissants]

here we go…you guys are so predictable it’s getting boring

[@JackChurchill101]

Are they wrong though?

[@ajayvenkat6018]

Wtf is this? I thought its suppsoed to be a movie about the great Helm Hammerhand, not about his daughter and her love affair gone wrong

[@rburk854]

You see Helm literally performing his most famous feat in the trailer. What more do you want?

[@Ray03595]

@@rburk854 The movie to be about him...

[@normansmith9009]

It was never about him?

[@rabronin]

@@rburk854 Yay, 2 minute scene, wish granted... Idiot.

[@SuicV]

​@@normansmith9009 Than that's a big mistake

[@CoryLunaDrums]

Looks like im just gonna have to keep watching the original lotr masterpieces from early 2000s not even complaining just stating

[@BrotherIronBreaker]

Is anyone else a little concerned that Helm Hammerhand looks like a side character in this trailer?

[@LordDawnWreaver]

Apparently most people ain't thinking about that

[@shaikmohammedabdullah5219]

maybe they are deleting comments. they have made it female centric. not true to the books

[@ordinarysuperstar672]

I assumed that was the intention lmao

[@casualgaming2351]

@@shaikmohammedabdullah5219 mine was deleted where i ask why Fréaláf and Helm are not the focus..even so they are the focus of ths part of Rohan history

[@Redditor6079]

Misogynist.

[@Meme_Lord]

I thought it was gonna be focused on Helm Hammerhand?

[@aminuabubakar8605]

That was my expectations

[@charalamboscharalambous165]

We all did sadly

[@thatoneguy7765]

This is the end of Helm Hammerhand's reign actually. There actually isn't a whole lot written about it beyond it being a time when The Rohirrim were at war with the Dunlander's and Easterlings over the right to rule the realm. Helm Hammerhand eventually dies in the defense of Rohan and his daughter leads his people to victory after his death. So it's all kosher canon wise.

[@jordanmince7613]

@@thatoneguy7765 i don't think the daughter plays that big of a role in it

[@FramDragonslayer]

Bait and switch my friend

[@pabloalonsolasagabaster658]

Feels more like a modern movie rather than lore accurate. Discount Eowin teaching the Rohirim how to ride

[@Jeff-cn9up]

Literally a lorebreaking girlboss. Hollywood does not learn.

[@YodatheHobbit]

Wow, you people sure love breaking down sexism into repeatable keywords, almost like a agenda you want to spread to influence culture, like a mob, not individual ACTUAL organic opinions. Imagine being so damn childish to think that a main character's gender matters. There are SO MANY MORE VALID COMPLAINTS TO HAVE! Like the same exact anime style as a million other works, boring dialogue, poor costuming ideas.

[@baloghcsaba88726]

That's one of the reasons The Hobbit movies sucked

[@johankvang7464]

How does she "break the Lore?"? Does this just mean creative freedom?

[@tukatl]

are shieldmaidens not a part of rohhiric culture now then? besides it’s called an adaptation for a reason so long as they do it well (unlike rings of power) it’s fine

[@f.b.l.9813]

@@johankvang7464 in the lore, she's an unimportant character, she's so unimportant Tolkien didn't give her a name, yet in this fanfiction anime movie, she's a warrior hero.

[@wortdyonisos0867]

Helm Hammerhand: "and where was Gondor ..."

[@pentagram4745]

They're at a war too.

[@druidverjin3731]

in Gondor 😆

[@cypherofsmeg9020]

He obviously didn't light the beacons 🤷‍♂

[@reedofwater]

"I'm the fastest rider you have!" So you want to be a messenger then?

[@fenrir-art4742]

One scene later...

[@F00kbluepill]

But daughter we have email !!

[@nileverdeen3797]

Just say you hate female characters

[@fenrir-art4742]

@@nileverdeen3797 I made better female characters than that trash from my stories: Annabelle Charise and Chakra Spellnite (The Star Gem), Veronica Venus, Captain VX Girl, Kelly Feline, Oranga, and Pinkfire (VX movies), Ranger Yuma (Ranger Rad), and Sursoni, Silver Empress, and Hesru from God Bow. As a maker, I find this story too weak.

[@fenrir-art4742]

My character Sursoni from God Bow was more caring and less annoying than Hera.

[@shapesii]

Kid: "mom, can we have a Helm Hammerhand story?" Mom: "No, we have a Helm Hammerhand story at home!" Helm Hammerhand story at home:

[@Tamikawashere]

I feel this.

[@blampfno]

The central character in this never even had a name or a role in the book, and is mentioned once in passing in a sentence. The writers were 'fascinated' by her.

[@CardCaptor32584]

I liked Legolas' addition. Hopefully they do a good job with her.

[@Scipionyxsam]

*puts on purple blue 'coding socks'* Yep, I think it's girlboss time. *(100 ESG points have been transferred to my account)*

[@matthewmouras2275]

Fascinated with the freedom to flesh out a new character in Middle Earth. I'm cool with that if it's well done.

[@davidbaker2856]

@@matthewmouras2275 except it almost never is.

[@Scipionyxsam]

@@matthewmouras2275 How about, if you want to tell your own story you just write it, instead of piggy backing on someone's back who was more talented and established than you? There's a plethora of female characters in Tolkien's works that have stories worthy of a movie. But they had to corrupt Helm Hammerhand's story and steal his limelight by rewriting the story into a girlboss story. What a lazy, creatively bancrupt take. The shadow that bred them and so on and so forth.

[@johnleonard9102]

My favorite part was when the redhead smiled at the edge lord guy and said "Let's see Paul Allen's War of the Rohirm."

[@Ghaztoir]

It'd probably be better!

[@SeanTanktop]

Proud to be your 100th like

[@theREALmistafu]

Sooo we're not getting a story about Helm Hammerhand?? Alrighty gotcha

[@hopefulpellinore5490]

No, that would be too cool.

[@OfficialDJTasawennateken]

Actually helm is part of the anime movie If you did your research you would find out that they're part of the plot twist of the story

[@OfficialDJTasawennateken]

You don't believe me you can go to the fan wiki page for this movie and you'll find out the whole script I don't recommend it cuz you'll get a lot of spoilers but helm is in this

[@rogelioalonzo2911]

Yeah sadly it's not Tolkien, no they made a movie about his Unnamed daughter those chose to make up.

[@javierlopez9789]

No, he is a dude after all.

[@heathercurry898]

I love the art! Reminds me of Berserk a bit. Looks gritty, hopefully the animation holds up for all the action sequences.

[@haky10era]

As Tolkien fan and one of those who read LOTR, The Hobbit, Silmarilion and other things of his writing about The Middle-Earth, I felt somewhat unease with this. It almost like "idea is good, but there is something about it like'a "Ring of Power" vibe"... I will watch it with low expectations for not to be disappointed, and recommending others to have no high hopes on it

[@Shakor77]

Something about it? It is clearly yet another woke, female-empowered girl boss garbage.

[@amdi8966]

You’re all a bunch of twats. Seriously, you guys are more pathetic than a Star Trek fans 😂

[@loveylace4541]

Tolkien fan here as well. My collection of books stands just next to me. This director is the same of Ghost in the Shell, Kenji Kamiyama. He's used to writing female characters who don't have men coming to their rescues. So, yes, it'll be good. And it's not even me who's overexcited, it's my best friend who's overjoyed because Ghost is one of his favourite animes.

[@WarrioroftheWest7]

That’s how I feel. The Rings of P(uke) didn’t even try to stay true to the source material, or Tolkien’s vision. I hope this does.

[@haky10era]

@@loveylace4541 Friend, I am just saying that anything possible, and especially after few burns in recent releases (and I am not telling about the RoP) it is safe to not overhyping. And that's all

[@jogleby]

There is a reason they call him Helm Hammerhand.

[@abcun17]

I think we're getting Hemma Hammerdinga instead...

[@Shakor77]

He will barely be in the movie. This is yet another female-empowered woke bastardization.

[@KiloSoraSilva-rl1kq]

​@@abcun17 but at least we get to see Helm Hammerhand in hand-to-hand combat... I'll take what I can get...

[@KiloSoraSilva-rl1kq]

​@@abcun17actually is their a LoTR review channel... Just so I can know whether or not this series is what I hope it isn't...

[@BajanShinobi]

@@KiloSoraSilva-rl1kq What do you hope it isn't?

[@j6216]

Thought this was meant to be about Helm Hammerhand?😅

[@username9159]

No this is 2024 it's obviously about a girl boss that doesn't want to get married.

[@curnath]

You don't know the tragic story of Helm Hammerhand, do you?

[@quinsey9211]

​@@username9159if this is woke than lord of the rings was super woke.

[@templetonbob]

Why would they give the lead role to a man? Thats not how you make content anymore.

[@internetgoat4831]

​@@username9159 another one of those comments huh

[@TheSilentShane]

"He's dead!" Well yeah. Maybe don't start a fist fight with a guy called "Hammerhand."

[@haydencarn8737]

Hey, Warner, Why is the daughter of our MC Helm Hammerhand the focus? Are you doing a Rings of power?

[@ElficGuy]

They're trying very hard not to ... But they will...

[@davidshapiro292]

They never learn.

[@haydencarn8737]

@@davidshapiro292 Or they are getting paid a lot for pushing this annoying stuff. Not by the customers, but rather by the people who want to manipulate said customers. I am starting to doub that this is just stupidity alone, especially when looking into blackrock and so on.

[@shapesii]

This trailer is like bait and switch inception. They created a bait and switch trailer for a bait and switch story.

[@HoloBoss]

thats exactly what i was thinking. first half hipes you up, second half reveals the true woke agenda. Definatly not watching this dogshit.

[@Natsocenis]

​@@HoloBossthey know that if you don't go woke, you go broke, they're catering to the majority

[@LordofDarknessX]

what you don't like the female as the Lead?

[@sinnahkrome7146]

Woke Agenda = Woman protagonist. Despite the fact that a woman swinging a sword and fighting was present in the now 69 year old book this movie is a prequel to.

[@Natsocenis]

@@sinnahkrome7146 this is idiocy, protagonist can be what ever gender it race aslong as they're well written and acted

[@tardarsauce1842]

Expectations: An epic tale about Helm Hammerhand Reality: Your typical "strong female protagonist" story about Helm's daughter

[@hugolowon11]

another strong independent femina so sad that they doing the same thing like amazon

[@patriotfury7303]

Which was never even given a name in the book. So unimportant that Tolkien didn't even bother.

[@hugolowon11]

the same fail that amazon make

[@rodmar1874]

Yas kween slay 🙄

[@sclarin2]

and when it underperforms guess who's fault it's going to be?

[@theswedishcommentor]

Just me or did they show half the show in the trailer?

[@danielliu22]

Hmmm, I have just one question: wtf is the protagonist his daughter? Barely in the story. Color me unimpressed.

[@peter-josephlamusitele6296]

Yeah true I haven't read book but I know bits of the story and it doesn't say much about hammerhand's daughter

[@fork-man]

​@@peter-josephlamusitele6296 quite literally the only thing related to her is I want you're daughter hand in marriage that's it she cease to exist after that

[@HarpyDxr]

It's a bait and switch

[@ewanmurie5121]

She's not in the story at all

[@arishokqunari1290]

Well the movie's name is "War of the Rohirrim", not "Helm Hammerhand"

[@benwasserman8223]

Given how Lord of the Rings was first adapted in animated form, this is just Tolkien's story coming full circle.

[@user-gz4ve8mw9l]

Yet so many people claim anime is for losers and children evidently.

[@mathiaslienafa789]

YEAH this is a very good point

[@HaydrogenBomb]

Just like with season one of Star Wars Visions

[@A21-EDITS21]

Yeah but it should've been in that style not anime

[@rpgadventurer32]

No, this is fan fiction at best. "Hera" doesn't exist, what you see in this trailer is not what is written in the source material.

[@overdan]

Opening your trailer with shots from another movie gives me SW Episode IX flashbacks. This is a huuuge red flag they weave right in your face.

[@John-mp7si]

Yeah that was a problem for me. Jarring transition of story telling.

[@overdan]

@@John-mp7si imo the promblem is that the marketing team knows full well this movie can't generate any hype on it's own, hence the nostalgia bait

[@neutronalchemist3241]

After Rings of Power, it's completely understandable for them to underline "this is PETER JACKSON'S version of LOTR's world".

[@lxdead5585]

@@neutronalchemist3241 Jacksons work doesn't need any kind of "underlining". This movie reeks being woke, just as ROP. It's gonna be plain girlboss angry cuz forced to marry and need no men movie lol

[@AaAa-je5eo]

They're gonna weave that flag in our faces? Sounds painful

[@colorforce5530]

It was even effective for the Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts films and I enjoyed them all with A Cinderella Story: Christmas Wish and The Polar Express.

[@farahahmed8201]

Damn, why is Hera the main focus? We wanted Helm Hammerhand, not his daughter who doesn't even have a name inthe books.

[@PriXz123]

Agree

[@vindikaktus]

"Books"? This story of Hera and Hammerhand is based on like two pages of writing from the appendices.

[@kernal1127]

​@@vindikaktus So, it's in a book?

[@kenmcwilliams4691]

DEI

[@vindikaktus]

@@kernal1127 Now we're down to a singular book, getting closer!

[@SakumaComenta]

another empowered woman, who will defeat an army. congratulations warner.

[@jksouthern]

I won't pay a penny to watch this in a theater. Whats next.....Gollums hobbit sister seeks revenge on Mordor.

[@hardworkingslacker7233]

​@@jksouthern Or a story about the grave oppression of orcs by men and how Sauron is actually their liberator.

[@kennethsatria6607]

@@hardworkingslacker7233 Im pretty sure its made very clear everywhere you look that the orcs view Sauron as a lesser, devil they know sort of leader rather than a liberator. But they absolutely do not expect kindness or mercy from Men because of what they were bred to do as soldiers, its actually the huge tragedy of orcs that Tolkein aknowledged, they were never given a chance to be anything more than the product of the Dark Lords.

[@hardworkingslacker7233]

@@kennethsatria6607 True, but I was cynically talking from the perspective of a modern holliwood writer, trying to paint unequivocally evil beings as actually good and just moral agents. Orcs may be tragic victims of their circumstances, given that they were elves once, but that doesn't mean that they are any less evil.

[@slothomatic]

Remember the war elephants? Remember? Remember the watcher in the water? Remember? Remember the eagles? Remember? Remember the horn of gondor? Remember?

[@hardbrocklife]

I member! Member Frealaf who defeats Wulf in the books? Member? Normies don't...

[@izhiri]

Member Chewbacca?

[@hardworkingslacker7233]

Member Eowyn?

[@MrBulbasaurlover]

I clapped when I remembered

[@Tamikawashere]

@@MrBulbasaurlover I didnt need a reminder, and I dont like those things used to cynically tie this story to the LOTR.

[@bostonscharwarth7408]

Finally some animated adult-fantasy! More of this please!

[@cheerful_crop_circle]

Hhehehhehehe

[@jedijones]

From the Wiki about Tolkien's Helm Hammerhand story: The scene about the arranged marriage appears to be accurate to the book. The Wiki then says this incident started a war between the tribes, initiated by the "evil" tribe seeking revenge against Helm's tribe for the death of their leader. One thing that's not in the story is any mention of Helm's daughter outside of her being part of the attempted arranged marriage. Helm, his two sons and his nephew fight in the war, but not her. She isn't even given a name in the book, although the other characters are. So, everything in this trailer involving Helm's daughter, after the marriage incident, is apparently an invention of the movie's writers.

[@Tamikawashere]

I wonder why they made her the most important character? And why she is blowing the horn instead of Helm?

[@jedijones]

@@Tamikawashere Looks like they wanted to make a movie about a "strong woman," and rewrote Tolkien's story to squeeze it in.

[@lockekappa500]

I mean technically anything but those two pages is also an invention of the movie's writers. Right? So how is this any different?

[@andyv3578]

​@@lockekappa500because one might be a creative adaptation of the works and the other is the virtue signalling girlboss trope

[@bacholis]

This should be top comment

[@curtis5799]

Peter jackson: "We didnt want to put our baggage into it" War of the Rohhirim: 😅

[@Positiva360]

He still didn't want to... 😜

[@michellestr8998]

Remember how th Hobbit movies were all ruined by one obnoxious character?

[@joshhudson7413]

@@michellestr8998 Phillipa Boyens and Fran Walsh handled most of Tauriels character. I sense this is another one of those situations

[@phousefilms]

@@michellestr8998 ....Who? Was it Alfrid? I'm almost positive(the extended cut at least had him killed off. Everyone wanted something similar for Jar Jar, lol.)

[@Alexander-es4mx]

A Lord of the Rings anime is something i wasn't expecting but this looks pretty interesting

[@alexcarracino]

It was announced like 3 years ago

[@SG-us4gz]

@@alexcarracinoRight? The number of people who can't read is staggering.

[@kadenthehuman]

@@SG-us4gzI saw someone who said they’d been following the news forever and was super excited but didn’t expect it to be animated and I was like, really?

[@RinjarinCODM]

It looks awesome!!!

[@MollymaukT]

I want one of the Silmarilion, pretty sure is impossible to recreate the fuckery of the First Age in live-action (Feanor fighting off a score of Balrogs comes to mind)

[@Thefantastic_mrJ]

To say I’m pumped for this would be a massive understatement. Not only does it looks stunning but it just feels right

[@PoorMarvoloSawyer]

Positive: - Miranda Otto's narration sounds perfect - Beautiful scenery such as Helm's Deep, Edoras, the high mountains, and forests. Each location feels distinct and cohesive in its aesthetic - The horses are very well-drawn - The men of the Rohirrim are dressed excellently, and outfits are varied according to whether they are at leisure, riding to war, etc., but still with a cohesion that conveys a well-fleshed out culture - Helm's daughter's dresses in the beginning shots are beautiful, reminiscent of Miranda Otto as Eowyn without being identical - Inclusion of a range of more fantastical Middle Earth features (e.g. Orcs, Great Eagles, Mumakil, a creature similar to the Watcher of the Deep) - Great line delivery by a number of characters (e.g. Brian Cox: "My pride, my joy") - Multiple perspectives (e.g. Helm's daughter on her journey vs the Rohirrim defending Rohan) and subplots (e.g. the person collecting rings) - hopefully these will be well-balanced and interwoven Negative: - Multiple LOTR clips for the first 15-20 seconds feels a little heavy handed (though this is a minor point, as the transition with "through the eyes of legendary director Kenji Kamiyama" was good) - Dunlending outfits look a tad generic (with the exception of Wulf and his father) - Brian Cox's delivery of his speech to his men might be accused of drawing too heavily from Bernard Hill - Miranda Otto's voice randomly cuts out at 0:28 - Lip syncing to line delivery is not always good - Not a lot of Helm Hammerhand - Helm's daughter's riding outfit seems very out of place with the rest of the outfits in the film

[@AerysIIFirstofhisname]

For me the Brian Cox speech is a positive

[@sarahsax1054]

Her riding outfit confused me so much at first. She literally looked undressed in some scenes.

[@adammasterx5854]

I gotta make a point about the lip syncing, anime generally does not have the best lip syncing, because i imagine its quite time consuming to animate accurately. In a lot of anime, most scenes will generally have one closed and one open mouth position and then they will just cycle between those two positions.

[@johannsilo6164]

As Tolkien said, “evil creates nothing, it only corrupts”

[@lukew6725]

I've never actually found that quote from Tolkien. The sentiment is certainly there, but I don't believe that he ever said those exact words.

[@campomambo]

@@lukew6725 considering it is a Catholic understanding of evil, he probably said something to that effect even if it was never recorded.

[@lord69z]

@@lukew6725 It's in the canon, Morgoth tortures the elves into Orcs, evil cannot create only corrupt. It's not a 1:1 quote it in all his lore.

[@ahmeteminerdogan9266]

@@lukew6725 It is lore reference to Melkor corrupting and defiling created things to convey his envy and hate.

[@ViktoriyaZolotovolosyy]

well as long isnt obese black dwarvers, its fine

[@thisswanwearssocks]

Theodin: "No army has ever breached the deeping wall" Legendary director Kenji Kamiyama: "...."

[@Nick-zp3ub]

Theoden might have meant that the wall was never breached during his lifetime or his father’s. No rohirrim living at the end of the third age would have been old enough to remember what happened 200 years ago

[@agonsfitness7308]

That was Edoras' wall.

[@digi1153]

Has the wall had any improvements from the anime to the movies? Didn’t pay much attention to that. Just some check out though.

[@Ellwinna]

IT was Edoras walls, not Helms Deep.

[@deadzeppelin9565]

​@@Nick-zp3ubyou think they dont teach their children their own histories??

[@chinoy9698]

WE’RE REVIVING THE LOTR FANDOM WITH THIS ONE🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@kidpeligro7878]

I'm confused, I don't remember in the appendices that there was a great female warrior among the Rohirrim around the period Helm Hammerhand was around. Who is this woman that appears to be the central figure of the film?

[@Lazarus573]

I guess you´ll find out by watching the movie.

[@jesuschrist7499]

​@@Lazarus573 yeah keep watch this lgbt products 😂

[@AJ-yl5lt]

Dad: Girl you know nothing about war. Girl: You have not seen what I have seen!

[@stuntman083]

"I'll throw a temper tandrum like you've never seen"

[@charleslaine]

She's entitiled to be the big boss because some little brat Rohirrim boys threw rocks at and sank her magic paper boat when she was a wee lass.

[@EllieBergeron92]

THERE'S A TEMPEST IN ME!!!

[@zmonty07]

Obvious Bad Guy: *punches Obvious Good King in the face* Obvious Good King: *punches Obvious Bad Guy back* Obvious Bad Guy's Son: I can't believe you've done this!

[@lettergam6282]

I mean,this is based on Tolkien after all

[@smithynoir9980]

Right! That guy picked a fight and lost, the son making threats over the consequences of his father's own actions is just pathetic.

[@prosimian]

In the LOTR universe, white beard = good guy. Saruman is the exception I guess

[@shivamarya5225]

It's lord of the rings man. The main bad guy was called dark lord most times and his kingdom is called Mordor like murder

[@comicmoniker]

​@@prosimian ah but you see, that's why Gandalf didn't suspect him! Saruman was using the beard to masquerade as a good guy!

[@colorforce5530]

I like Legolas. He's my favorite. His actor, Orlando Bloom, also played Will Turner from Pirates of the Caribbean. I will hire him to voice Donald Worthington.

[@redtexan7053]

I love this idea of Sauron and the Nazgul just sitting around in their evil boardroom and deciding to go collect every plain gold ring in Middle Earth. There can only be so many, *surely* Sauron's has got to be one of them.

[@Galaxia_EX]

Sauron proceeds to spend the next 200 years trying on rings

[@replynotificationsdisabled]

@@Galaxia_EX may be worth writing about.

[@michaelotoole1807]

that idea is stupid. the nine can sniff out the true one ring. the writers now nothing of tolkiens writings.

[@MikeRiley84]

Sauron did make an effort to gather all the magic rings. A lot more lesser rings were forged than the ones in the poem.

[@Bread-nx9fo]

@@michaelotoole1807 boohoo

[@matias5817]

It looks a lot like the rings of power but animated...

[@animezilla4486]

Your mistake was comparing this to rings of power

[@Bruce_wayne69_edits]

Nah nothing can be bad like ring of power this is not made by amazon is reason for hope

[@RacingSnails64]

Looks way more authentic than Rings of Power, but I could be wrong

[@chaucerianfraud6767]

@@RacingSnails64 You are wrong and will be proved so.

[@missAlice1990]

To me it looks much better than Rings of Power, which doesn't mean it looks good.

[@noxluxe8674]

Was hooked until "I'm the fastest rider you have!"

[@samwisegamgee8318]

more Mary Sue girlbossing! yay!

[@neutronalchemist3241]

"Daughter, at your age you should have learnt that is't the horse, not the rider".

[@RhysHennessey]

Looks like she’ll be flying an eagle too! 💀

[@pauloazuela8488]

That means she can just travel faster

[@sweetkiwicakes]

Looks great! Beautiful art and animation. Looking forward to December

[@RUSG89]

Gandalf said it best: "It's as I feared".

[@MirkwoodPrince21]

Whats your fear about this ?

[@king-fisher]

@@MirkwoodPrince21 Can't speak for anyone else, but there's a strong suggestion fo "Girl Power/the Force is Female" cringe. (Btw. I'd LOVE to be proven wrong.)

[@4040tee]

@@king-fisher its inevitable as it looks like tolkiens descendants are either (a) looking to milk as much out of the franchise or (b) on board with perverting the philosophy behind tolkiens novels. We are so far gone from tolkiens catholic traditionalism / monarchism, that its impossible for a new production to respect the ideas. 24 years ago we were still a ways away from that thinking, but close enough for it to be left alone by the cultural elites.

[@MaxxMcGeePrivate]

@@king-fisher Well, looking at anime it's quite normal to have young female leads. Really depends how they are written. Since it's modern Hollywood, we'll see...

[@marissashantez6051]

@@MaxxMcGeePrivate No. Not even slightly. The most popular anime all have male leads like Naruto, or One Piece. I dont even know where you got that idea, and this isnt anime. And when you try to make girls boss characters, it cant be done well, especially when adapting older work, which doesn't work with such ideas.

[@darklucario7214]

I actually want an anime of Middle Earth stories like the War of the Last Alliance, places that took place during the War of the Ring like Erebor and Dale vs the Easternlings, and the exilement of Melkor and his change into Morgoth

[@drsch]

I'd rather have something of quality rather than anime.

[@christophershoemaker7189]

Are you saying like an anthology series? With the little different stories? Ungoliant try to eat all the light would be cool

[@viciouslyeatingaburger]

@@drsch you missing out their are some good anime stories

[@silver9wolf6]

I'd love to see some of the great beasts in the 1st and 2nd age too, like that huge dragon the size of a mountain!

[@neddubh4529]

Maybe this is a first step in that direction. Here's hoping there's some amazing stories in the histories

[@bj0urne]

So excited for another Fran Walsh/Peter Jackson LotR adventure!

[@tezz2698]

Idk man, kinda feel like making a film about a warrior princess from Rohan is kind of stepping on Eowyn's toes.

[@PettyCrow-n9c]

Eowyn wasn't a warrior princess though, and she barely even won the fight she did have. This is different.

[@Breaker2005]

The red head chick wasn't even a named character in the books. In the books, Helm Hammerhead's sister's son took the throne after Helm died.

[@roluevasreisa5730]

​@@Breaker2005 And of course this is going to be woke girl boss nonsense

[@rubytuesday2682]

That's 100 % what i fear

[@roluevasreisa5730]

​@PettyCrow-n9c She defeated one of the greatest evils in middle earth and you call that a barely won fight? She defeated someone even Gandalf couldn't beat And with Gandalf he just stood there Menacingly!!! For Eown he busted out the gigantic flail and Eowyn still survived

[@simonf9160]

My guy was cooked the second he started a FIST FIGHT with THE Helm Hammerhand

[@marissashantez6051]

You mean with the little girl with the red hair?

[@vukodrakkanien8466]

Actually, he go that nickname AFTER the fistfight. Though it wasn't even a fistfight, for only one blow was delivered, one that killed Freca (Wolf's father).

[@bitty_beastly47]

Please don't say cooked or any of the brain rot lingo on a LotR video. It's really lgbt of you

[@6pathuser344]

​@@bitty_beastly47 Tolkein himself said in 1959 - "Let my ni**a Franco cook the commies"

[@BlueHooloovoo]

​@@bitty_beastly47 You mean stupid lingo like girl boss and woke?

[@Hendulki]

So you make a anime with THE HELM HAMMERHAND and sideline him for his daughter that wasnt even named in the books? AND YOU COULDNT EVEN GIVE HER A ROHIRRIM NAME? fantastic

[@ultimateshipper8997]

Her name is NOT Greek Hera but Old English _Héra._ welcome to the world where different languages get similar sounding words!

[@libertyprime1614]

@@ultimateshipper8997 Her name Mary from the house of Sue.

[@tydyman2003]

@@ultimateshipper8997 right

[@ultimateshipper8997]

@@libertyprime1614 did you come up with that all by yourself? Impressive! SNL should hire you.

[@libertyprime1614]

@@ultimateshipper8997 That will be too good for modern SNL, and you know it.

[@antdowd918]

Thats some NETFLIX miniseries quality animation there

[@neutronalchemist3241]

"So, how do we call this unnamed Tolkien's character that we are going to turn into the hero of our story?" "Maybe someone wouldn't understand she's the real hero. What about Hera?" "Genius!"

[@Levyafan]

The spirit of Tolkien truly lives on...

[@travisblackmore8695]

A brave strong soul and a leader born to rule

[@ravenwraith1017]

hmm...of all the issues I can't imagine someone having with this, I just don't know if Hera is a culturally correct name in Rohan. Tolkien took from Germanic/Scandinavian/Anglo-Saxon culture in developing Rohan, right? Hera is definitely not the kind of name I can imagine him using for a Rohirrim.

[@zero5559]

@@ravenwraith1017 hard to say since he never gave her a name, im sure the tolkien estate was fine with it.

[@ultimateshipper8997]

​@@ravenwraith1017 maybe cause her name is actually Héra, an Old English name? You people...

[@marcomcl]

It's amazing how they just keep on missing the mark...its actually impressive, not on Star Wars level ruined but still impressive

[@brandonfreeman4375]

True, also it's extremely disappointing to see that even PJ got fooled by Sauron's false promises of power and gold!

[@HolographicThoughts]

I know Kenji Kamiyama isn't a household name, but damn he's one of the best in the anime industry. The only way this would be bad is if hollywood producers told him to pander to modern audiences. Otherwise, this could be incredible.

[@ThousandSunAnger]

People speak about not anticipating a LotR anime as if Rankin Bass didn't work with Topcraft (a precursor to Studio Ghibli) to create an animated film of The Hobbit.

[@theolaa]

Those people have never even heard of anything other than the books and the PJ films

[@sireuchre]

Let's not forget the animated version of The Lord of the Rings itself in 1978. There's a lot of precedent for Middle Earth stories being told in animated form, and long before anything live action/CGI.

[@michaell8000]

The rings of power are a heavy weight upon expectations.

[@veganconservative1109]

That came out less than a year after I read The Hobbit (and then LOTR in its entirety over a school weekend.) Used to have an oversized hardbound book made of the stills for that. Sadly, lost during a move. It was an enjoyable adaptation.

[@wa-bu3ke]

@@theolaathe books are older than the cartoon bro…

[@aarachne]

0:32 bro i see the SOVA 😍😍

[@misscheese1]

What's SOVA?

[@aarachne]

@misscheese1 0:32 see that guy with blonde long hair look like valorant agent (sova)

[@misscheese1]

@aarachne ah ok got it. That is supposed to be Helm's eldest son, Hama i think.