WARNING Filming in National Parks is Banned for YouTubers 😬

[@JevenDovey]

UPDATE: I made a follow up Q&A video with a Lawyer to answer all your questions and give you more clarity on these permit rules: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnzJeX-FZrimaqs

[@JevenDovey]

MORE INFO & UPDATES: 1. Does this apply to BLM Land? Here's the BLM rules: www.blm.gov/programs/lands-and-realty/leases-and-permits/filming-on-public-lands/film-permits 2. Does this apply to National Forests? Here's the rules: www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r3/passes-permits/event-commercial/?cid=fsbdev3_022113 3. Does this apply to State Parks? Thats up to each state. Find the park website that you want to film at and look for the filming or photography permit page. 4. Does this really affect KZbinrs. On the NPS website it says "The primary focus of the NPS is on commercial filming that has the potential to impact park resources and visitors beyond what occurs from normal visitor use of park areas." Yes you need a permit if you make money from your videos, but including this sentence is odd because it sounds like they're allowing low impact filming while technically still being against the rules. www.nps.gov/aboutus/news/commercial-film-and-photo-permits.htm 5. Do Photographers need a permit? If you're a nature photographers, not disturbing guests and following rules of the park then you can make money from your landscape photos. Everything else will require a permit: www.nps.gov/aboutus/news/commercial-film-and-photo-permits.htm 6. More information about the original court case and what it means: nppa.org/news/price-v-barr-reversed-%E2%80%94-national-park-permit-scheme-commercial-filming-reinstated 7. The KZbin channel Kara and Nate was fined for filming in National Parks: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHnZeaFvndhkg7s WHAT CAN WE DO? 1. Send an email to your local representative. Do a google search for "who is my representative" or "Who is my congress person" Put in your Zip code. Find your rep and go to their website. They'll have a contact form where you can write them an email. If you're against this ruling then please do this ASAP.

[@theHotpointHoodlum]

This is exactly the kind of stuff that effects the drone filming community as well.

[@RohasTravels]

Keep us updated if they overturn this. I also saw the commercial thing and it seems like its going after bigger Hollywood style creators. But I don't like how it includes smaller than 5 people. They should do a blanket annual pass that's a different color for us content creators of 1-3 people. With minimal equipment.

[@hautehussey]

In that case then I would just take 24, 30, or 120 still photos per second!

[@tlewisAK]

--- " This rule applies to more than just National Parks. Its all federal Land. This means 28% of the country technically needs a permit to film in." --- This means not filming in Alaska as over 60% is federal land. This is the equivalent to No FILMING the entire states of Texas and Florida Combined, or No Filming in California & Montana Combined. Alaska is HUGE, more than 2x the size of Texas. I'm definitely gong to contact my Senators & Congressman.

[@hautehussey]

@@tlewisAK yep. We should all get together for a class action lawsuit for the infringing of free speech.

[@NicHilton]

I was wondering when this was going to happen. As a wedding photographer I shoot in Yosemite a lot, and have been getting multiple permits per year to shoot. Brides stand out like a sore thumb so there’s no way around it. I have to get permits for a lot of beaches and other city properties as well. I knew KZbinrs and influencers would soon get hit because their KZbin/Instagram is not personal use, and most of those people make more money off their KZbin and social media than I do with photography. The worst of it is permits will become impossible for people like me with actual clients to serve, and also beaches, cities etc are going to follow this path.

[@nathanwillger2158]

I agree with you, if you want to make money by using NPs you have to play by the rules. I respect the people who just do so, and don’t get bent out of shape thinking the government has to much power and it’s an infringement on their constitutional rights….

[@ddrusa]

Honestly I never knew about this as well plus we some times goto the beach in Santa Monica this means we can't even vlog there at all

[@GreyGhost-r4z]

Can you imagine the day when If you own a camera you will be required to register your Kamera with the Government. All of your shots will have to be looked at by a government approved sensor. Imagine being Red-Flagged by your neighbor and goons come to confiscate your DSLR.

[@ddrusa]

@@GreyGhost-r4z I'm sorry that's like taking away your right to freedom this is messed up over protected on everything now SERIOUSLY especially as a American

[@ddrusa]

And if this is what the government is doing now a dlsr canera consider as a commercial camera. Thats like saying gu ou can't go live on your freaking KZbin channel at all so smf government get a life let us do what we need to do UNREAL

[@somedayDefect]

My brother in law and his girlfriend was camping in and around Zion. It was dusk out and she wanted some photos of herself with her LED lit hula hoops. She likes that kind of stuff. My bro-in-law is a professional Hollywood industry photographer. This so called "photoshoot" was for fun and for personal use. They were being tourists. Park Ranger pulls up and say "No commercial photography in the park, can I see some ID". Bro-in-law says we are just taking some fun photos, it's not commercial and complies with the request. Ranger says in a nice manner; "well I better not Google your name and find that you are a professional photographer..." Bro-in-law says actually you will find that I am but can we please just have our fun for ourselves? They were left alone at this point to continue but he was a bit stunned that they are just being tourists and getting questioned about their intent and that because of his profession he has to walk a new line in doing so. Wasn't controversial but a "hmmmmm" moment for him.

[@networkedperson]

american law enforcement has issues.... The fact that Jim is a white professional probably helped out in his encounter with the park cop.

[@sdutango]

Why is his profession affect his personal life? That ranger is stupid, or whoever trained them to talk like that is stupid

[@joergmeyer4145]

Would have said: "Dear Park Ranger, it's my first Amendment right. You are dismissed".

[@RohasTravels]

I feel like I just got punched in the gut. This is sad and really gets under my skin. For a crew of less than 5 people, or even solo or couples that vlog, this sucks. Should start a petition. We pay our fees already to enter these parks and we promote it free of charge for others to go and venture. I hope they over turn this

[@RohasTravels]

@@ChadLubinski agree. I absolutely think we should and we should spread the news on this

[@JavierSN95]

if we dont speak out nothing will change, this is communism.

[@wesorr1293]

That’s a great point, if anything it’s free advertising sending people to the parks. 😂

[@RohasTravels]

@Wes Orr right. LOL. I just checked joshua tree and saw it was 350 for a permit and then a rent a ranger bs. Everyone needs to get together and do something.

[@ActivateTrueHealth]

Yes let's do a petition

[@kaptagn]

Wow, this killed 80% of the newer outdoor channels ambitions lol

[@ActivateTrueHealth]

Yes mine included

[@tavshedfjols]

national forests, state parks, other public land is still available!

[@TheFishAndTrips]

​@@tavshedfjolsnope, those also requires a permit. State Park here in Texas said $250 a day to film a KZbin video

[@Wklambert]

I am glad more and more channels are talking about this. Park Junkie and RV Miles brought this up a couple months ago, but there seems to be more traction gaining on creatives talking about it in an open forum, so more and more folks can be enlightened on what the park service is doing. Something important to note: some parks charge a permit application fee. (Some cases in the hundreds of dollars.) Your permit request can be denied, yet you do NOT get your permit application fee back. It is non-refundable. Something definitely needs to change here.

[@jeremys6631]

What's that old saying... Taxation without representation. These NPS people are getting big headed because overlanding and vanlife is current thing. ... I wonder how many people got denied...

[@Wklambert]

@@jeremys6631 Rec dot gov is putting serious challenges on the table for the parks. Not to mention, they are a private, for profit company. How they got a dot gov address is beyond my comprehension. But, it is definitely a huge issue.

[@MyFlyingEyes]

I've been studying natural law since the 2020 events and discover a bunch of frauds and lies by the government. Which became a private corporation since the 1930's. It is not public as it spouse to be. So they are treating the public land as if it is private property. For them everything belongs to them, not to the people. Actually they believe the people is also their property. if you sign your ID for them you agree to be owned. Yes a lot of things have to change but it is going to take a lot of time until everybody knows the fraud.

[@TheSmartWoodshop]

This is good news for the big production studios. They would need permits anyway so now they don't have to compete with YT yokels filming with GoPros and iPhones. The National Parks are owned by the people, well the people with power and money.😎

[@CornNation]

This is exactly the reason for this. Think about NFL football. They really don't give a damn if you can afford a ticket to a playoff game. They worry about the people who are buying suites and club seats going to the games. It's the same idea. We don't want Joe Crudbum out there making money. If there's money to be made, it's going to be by people who already have lots of it and can afford to jump through all these hoops.

[@vitaminb4869]

If you're a big production that has to compete with some small youtuber and his gopro, then your big production is nothing but a big sack of crap.

[@stevengeorges9046]

The parks, (and the FAA) got it wrong. There is a difference between editorial and commercial. Editorial, such as shooting for a newspaper, is protected by the first amendment. Commercials for Pepsi are not. Again, allowing the government to decide what editorial content can be published is a violation of the first amendment. The problem with the courts is that no one has made the proper argument for them to consider.

[@TheThinkersBible]

I agree with you on this cumbersome process being absurd -- sadly it's likely the most *cumbersome* rules are influenced by big production houses who know that most smaller creators can't afford the costs. The parks *should* have a more streamlined process - and much lower fees - for social media style filming. That said, KZbin / TikTok etc. actually are commercial endeavors. I know as a former landscape photographer the thoughtless damage many photographers so seeking 'the perfect shot' or trying something they shouldn't do. Also, parks are being overrun with visitors and that's damaging them and hurting wildlife. I'm certain that eager thoughtless KZbinrs or TikToks could do at least as much damage to parks as thoughtless photographers. So I agree with you that the principle of permits is appropriate and that the actual permit process is broken.

[@jessesaldana158]

Good. I’m tired of “influencers” & “KZbinrs” always in the way of actual visitors. Hogging up view points, restricting people from being in their shot, and other things I’ve run into. So I’m glad this is happening. A lot of you think the attention you bring to a park is good. Most of the time people go to these places and trash it making Rangers & other local officials shut it down because people can’t follow rules. Some of you influencers feel entitled to do whatever you want whenever you want so I’m glad rules are being placed for all professional photographer/cinematographer.

[@tavakessler]

This is so ungodly absurd. The National Parks will be quickly losing the #1 source of advertising Big big mistake.

[@oliverplougmand2275]

Uhh maybe it’s precisely BECAUSE they dont want the publicity, seeing as their parks are incredibly overcrowded as is?

[@RunNGunPhoto]

*There are two valid arguments and sides to this story:* It sucks that Average-Joe KZbin can't just film at the park and post it. The permit process is tedious in order to make people give up, like most laws/permits. But there's another side. The parks are currently over-crowded and under-funded. It requires people to staff these places, maintain them and even clean the litter & toilets. Thousands of people per day take their tolls on these lands and we have to make sure they still exist 50 or 100 years from now. ALSO there are idiots that do dumb things and end up ruining it for everyone. People deface and destroy nature for a click, and all KZbinrs get to pay for that now. Is this constitutional? I have no idea, but there has to be a middle ground here.

[@heinzhinrichs9409]

The citizens of the United States own the park and pay for it's up keep. We also own the courts and pay for them. Also what is difference between and national park and a public street or highway or beach or lake or etc.???

[@benjamin.kelley]

Right! No "one" actually "owns" the parks, so how can "one" say whether another can or can't shoot video there?! Look out travel lifestyle KZbinrs.

[@jonclark4328]

People forget this far too easily.

[@jonathanrayne]

The REAL question is "What don't they want you filming?"

[@AussieWalks]

Wow!!! Thanks for this - I had no idea. I just looked into the rules here in Australia and it is also true that in some states we need permits for commercial filming. The rules vary in each state and according to how many people are involved in the filming and how much equipment is going to be used. Online applications are required. I really appreciate you letting us know. Thankfully, at this point I have only filmed in Queensland National Parks & Queensland does not require any permit for crews fewer than 11 people - luckily my crew involves only 1 - me. But I'm certainly going to look into this much deeper to make sure I understand the rules of each state because I had many plans for filming in NPs.

[@MrBlackReviews]

queensland is so good for that! :D

[@AussieWalks]

@@MrBlackReviews Yes - thankfully so as it won't affect the videos I have already made. The weather is so hot here right now, I'm tempted to get out into the nearby subtropical rainforest NP to film and get some reprieve from the heat under the canopy and in the beautiful freshwater rock pools.

[@WanderingSwitchback]

Wow, thank you for making this! It's just so crazy that even smaller creators have to go through such a rigorous process. I will have to explore this more for sure. I had no idea! That's super frustrating as someone who does hiking and backpacking videos. I almost wonder if part of this is to keep all the damage from geotagging and other similar issues out of the backcountry, to reduce the traffic out there to those hidden spots.

[@HikingwithGus]

I have wondered the same thing about reducing the traffic in the back country since they implemented this the first time. I hike with my Cattledog, and since dogs are not allowed on 99% of NPS lands we just do not go there. There are plenty of USFS lands with fantastic trails to enjoy.

[@WanderingSwitchback]

@@HikingwithGus thankfully, yes, there are many other beautiful places to visit, and I do visit those, although I feel like now we need to research permit requirements in those spaces as well...

[@JevenDovey]

This rule applies to all federal land. So if you're going to National Forest or BLM land please check the website for each because technically this applies but I have found some that don't require permits. However, with that, on their website it does say "The primary focus of the NPS is on commercial filming that has the potential to impact park resources and visitors beyond what occurs from normal visitor use of park areas." So in a way they're saying they wont come after you if you're acting as a normal visitor when you film but I don't like this.

[@WanderingSwitchback]

@@JevenDovey Thanks for that, that makes sense. Ugh, that much more research now for every trip!!

[@djpWilson]

Remember, as a KZbin content creator, your videography isn't commercial until it is posted on KZbin. If you are a KZbinr and you just want to go to Death Valley and record your experience, do it. You don't need a permit. You just can't post it on KZbin. .....until they change the rule back again (which they will). If you are a channel that runs their budget so tight that you can't afford a trip to the park without posting content, then you have a personal and business decision to make. I also think that it's time for the KZbin creator community that is affected by this to get organized. There are literally dozens, perhaps hundreds of you who are impacted by these onerous rules. Get together and hire a lawyer and challenge this in court

[@WineWorldTV]

If you're not monetized. then these rules won't apply. After that happens is another story, but anything you did prior won't be in violation AFAIK.

[@justonbrazda3846]

Actually it's not even commercial if you post it on KZbin. Most people don't make money from KZbin. You can post it on KZbin. The problem comes if you get money from KZbin.

[@jessejayphotography]

Which begs the question where is the slippery slope? What if I don't monetize but a clothing brand sponsors me? What if I am not monetized and I shoot video in a NP and then later I monetize (like most people would do). Suddenly I'm liable for the videos I made 2 years prior because I made $1.50 of them? How do they determine that? What if I shoot a vlog and screen in at a community hall and accept donations from kind patrons, is that commercial? Are they keeping strict records of when they issue a permit and changes to the law? This is a complete FUBAR.

[@ansleythestewart]

Sorta - because if y'all remember correctly, when this issue got brought up in the first place, the videos that the Gov went after were filmed and posted prior to that/those creator(s) being monetized. In other words, they grandfathered back in time to prior to it being commercial because regardless the intent at the time, once the channel became monetized, everything that was posted on the channel in totality was all of a sudden commercial. This reversal in ruling will get challenged, but it is really shortsighted on the side of the NPS. The revenue the NPS is bringing in, because of what equates out to free marketing from all of the creators, I'd wager it's a large number. They're cutting off their nose to spite the face. BUT, I'm guessing this is trying to take out loopholes in things like FAA rules regarding something like "as long as you don't take off and land a drone, you can fly it in/over" - this sorta reversal would wipe that out because IF a drone operator took that loophole, theoretically took off outside, flew over the park, and landed back outside, legally...well this reversal would now solve that issue because while you may not be violating FAA rules, you're in violation of the commercial filming rule of the NPS.

[@vitaminb4869]

You guys worry too much. There are literally thousands, if not millions of videos on youtube from national parks. Do you think they gonna go after all of them, trying to get their $100-$300?? You must be living in some fantasy world if you think that's gonna happen.

[@skrutzen]

I'm glad this is in place. Frankly, KZbin and social media have ruined these national treasures. So many people consider themselves "creators" but usually it's just garbage content.

[@johnycane]

Exactly...they wern't intended for us to go use them as a money making/social media click bait opportunity, they were intended to preserve this land and the ecosystems. Hoards of overexcited "filmmakers" are making these beautiful areas nothing more than traffic jams.

[@MyMiniDroneLife]

Thank you for the update Jeven, I am a one person KZbinr newbie just learning and cannot afford to be fined. I don't look for any compensation from Social Media and enjoying getting out so I just stay away from National Parks. You would think that National Parks would have an easier process across the board and would be inviting to have content creators create media for people to enjoy and help with planning on vacations to the parks. Maybe some day this will be different in the future, Hope springs eternal...

[@craigrobert7721]

The way I read the rule would be if you aren’t monetized or making money from the content you post, then you should still be ok. Sounds like you aren’t monetized so you might still be ok.

[@Atticus1354]

If you're not making money you're not filming commercially

[@mickeyrob7532]

It also hurts us viewers that can't afford to travel to these places. Some of us "travel" virtually. If people don't want to deal with the paperwork, fees and hassle, I don't really blame them.

[@greghowell9986]

This same week, we had a story from a Disney park where an influencer smuggled fireworks, *a pyrotechnic device*, past security in order to make a cutesy photo/video. It's gone past mere inconvenience and rudeness. It's also becoming a safety issue, and we would all be rightly pissed if someone stomped across an untouched, unmarred part of Yellowstone for the 'perfect' shot. I'm hoping that permits are meant to slow some of these people down, and allow the Park Service to ban them, without stopping legit channels from producing travelogues.

[@networkedperson]

National park administrations are effectively american law enforcement organizations. Your most pessimistic apprehensions about their intent and the extent of their corruption will likely fall short...

[@MyFlyingEyes]

I am sorry to tell you but accepting punishment for others incidents is not going to stop those incidents. Specially if the punisher gets a benefit from them. The punch in your face is always going to be presented as for your own safety or good.

[@r.m.8970]

I'm a non-monetized photographer and hiker who frequents national parks in the Rockies, and I think the permits are a good idea based on group size. If you bring a 20 person wedding party into the park to take over a trailhead for three hours in the middle of the day, yes you should have to pay for a permit. I think having the park ranger there is a good idea in those situations too, it would hopefully cut down on littering or potentially dangerous situations caused by inexperienced or ill-equipped patrons. As far as smaller content creators go I think they should be able to purchase an annual pass/permit that has less restrictions. Or maybe donate a portion of the income from your content to the parks system? If anything they should have a class about situational awareness and trail manners for anyone expecting to film or shooting in parks.

[@PatriciaDavidsonPhotography]

Wow, what a hassle. Best to avoid the NP for filming. Maybe it will change if enough people voice their concerns. Thanks for the info!

[@ElMundoDuro]

It would also help if people stop supporting groups that make millions to push for Monuments and Parks. Lands are better protected as National Forest and even BLM where the public can still use the land without the land becoming tourist destinations that require closing roads and shutting down access.

[@TripNWithRed]

I appreciate this info. I keep reading and hearing mixed info on what is acceptable. Your explanation makes it clear. It's unfortunate for those looking for great content of the parks though. So many KZbinrs are recording hiking, etc in the national parks who are likely unaware of this law.

[@thephotoroad]

Unfortunately I think too many drones and too much intrusive vlogging spoiled it for everyone, leading to this crackdown. Enjoy these treasures for the fresh air, do some photography and soak in the silence.

[@skatetoexplorevideos2477]

Yeah, but now if you bring a camera and tripod you'll feel like a criminal. Also, rangers might be asking you a lot of questions if they see you with camera gear. I never got money from my KZbin channel because I'm small. But, I do like nature photography. You just can't be submissive about this.

[@GalaxyFur]

@@skatetoexplorevideos2477 For personal use you can film and shoot all the videos and pictures you want. You don't break the law until you post it for profit. The profit part is what's considered commercial. As long as you don't make money you can show your friends and family all you want. Laws like this have been around for ages actually. It's just that these laws were created before the existence of KZbin and social media.

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

What a load of crap. I hiked 74 mountains last year and filmed them all many of which were in National Parks. It's a straight shot at the little guy, life is already hard enough. I'm planning another road trip for this year but I think my plans just changed to stay in Canada.

[@VisibilityFoggy]

Being in the news business by trade, I wonder how the "press" angle affects all of this. There are several local ordinances where I live that restrict drone usage without permits, but all have a carve-out for press and "news-gathering." A Texas anti-drone law was also pre-empted by the court over the fact that press freedom would be restricted. All news reporting/filming makes money somehow, but it's also constitutionally protected. Would be an interesting argument to make.

[@theoldtimefiddler]

the national forest in northern new england where i live states that covering "breaking news" in the forest does not require a permit....

[@tcvideosennistexas]

the texas parks and wildlife made a nice video about the huntsville state park,,,, well made by professionals with good 'drone' video to go along with the video,,,,,,I asked them how they can allow drone videos in a state park while restricting anyone else from doing so. I've gotten no reply.

[@PurposePlastics]

I was thinking the same thing. It’s called “reportage” The argument that Vlogging=news News agencies make money. News=protected speach

[@thewildthaigirl]

Oh goodness! I just bought a lot of new gears for backpacking, new equipments for filming and editing, a new drone,a brand new Mac for my brand new KZbin channel. What am I going to do with little time off to travel, and now, the permits!!! How!!! Thanks so much for info. My husband and I are watching a lot of your videos and we learned so much. Thank you.

[@mylt1z28]

Your drone is a no go in a NP to begin with. Drones have been banned in NP's since 2014.

[@HittheroadMax]

Absolutely crazy situation! I use to come in USA NP as tourist but also small youtube creator! There's absolutely no way that I will apply for a permit to film inside NPs That makes absolutely no sense, I always see USA as a country of freedom and where everything is possible, I'm not sure I still believe it that anymore Thanks for this sad but so important video Fabrice from France

[@vitaminb4869]

They absolutely have no jurisdiction over you there in France.

[@Sherri_Lynn]

That is an exceptionally HARSH ruling - especially considering the US federal government owns about 640 million acres (2.6 million km2) of land in the United States. And, that is approximately 28% of US total land area (2.27 billion acres or 9.2 million km2). Many Thanks for the timely WARNING, Jeven. Sounds like too many bureaucrats with too much time on their hands. Hopefully, this 'administrative ruling' will be overturned! @JevenDovey P.S. Your channel was my Second subscription on KZbin. Sincere Thanks for the exemplary content, Jeven!

[@markfreiberg9906]

But the information in this video applies only to National Parks, not "all federal land." Right?

[@JevenDovey]

@@markfreiberg9906 All federal land

[@J2XJ]

Great video, but CLARIFICATION needed. The federal govt does not own the land, WE THE PEOPLE own the land! And we need to make that clear to them, we are the OWNERS and they work for us.

[@escdefender]

@@J2XJ MAGA much? 😂🤣

[@alansach8437]

Exactly! Do you seriously think anyone is going to enforce this? They are talking about large film crews and productions. They are talking about content creators who want to go where the public isn't normally allowed, and need supervision. They aren't going to be stopping folks along the side of the road asking for permits! Chill.

[@GoldWingnut]

Great info, crappy policies of the NPS. Bureaucrats wonder why people don't trust the government, here's just another great example. Thanks for providing this great and useful information.

[@AMAETV]

This is nuts! Especially for vloggers just making content about their experience visiting the park. Before heading to Zion this year I watched a bunch of vlogs offering tips on what kids can handle doing there, and it was very helpful. I imagine the hype of visiting National Parks would die down eventually if they really don't let KZbinrs share their travels and tips with future visitors. It's a shame the lines are so blurry on what is 'commercial' because the NPS is killing their own free publicity by imagining we are all going in there to make feature films. Hopefully they change it again.. thanks for sharing the details!

[@RubiHammer]

Thank you Jeven, for this info. This is sad. This is madness. The kind of content I create involves shooting POV videos with an action camera while ultralight hiking and trail running. In 2021 I did within a single week a single day R2R2R in the grand canyon, and later a day hike climbing mount Whitney. All was filmed with a chest mounted GoPro and an iPhone. So now, to do the same became virtually impossible. Even if I would pay for an application and get a filming permit, there is no chance for a National Park ranger to complete such long hikes keeping up with my pace. This law puts the end for this kind of content. There is no logic whatsoever in such legislation.

[@jessejayphotography]

It is madness.

[@7CElements]

You need to backdate your media, from before it was illegal, or permit required. Technically, it should be legal. Otherwise, we would have to ban all the National Geographic archives.

[@lavapix]

@@7CElements Especially easy if the terrain never changes from year to year.

[@CoastalBoating]

We deal with this issue a lot. The place we had issues with defines "commercial use" as anything posted on the internet regardless if it is making money or not. In fact we were harrassed when we only had 200 subscribers. We figured out the prosses thankfully its not quite as bad as where were filming is a county park. But basically the want to know where and what your filming and they require liability insurance. Thankfully we can pull a permit within 3-4days but they wont issue us a blanket permit i.e we pretty much only film on the weekends. I know of another channel in the same space as us that films every weekend in the same spot they constantly get harrased by park rangers... They know the prosses and have a permit. its just more government over reach.

[@CoastalBoating]

@@RickMcGovern Palm Beach County Flordia. Another popular filming place in Miami has shut down too many creators because they went through a lottery permitting process and are charging $500 for the year. Thankfully the permits are free for now. In the space we're in, technically, every creator making boating videos is supposed to pull a permit for everything they do... involving filming on a boat. Oh man, they will want you to carry a pretty big liability policy. At this point, as far as I know, they aren't enforcing that, but they could.

[@ClarityOffGrid]

Thanks for the update. We looked into this a couple of years ago and figured as just a couple hiking and filming in the NP, the law didn't affect us. Glad we watched the latest development. We love the national parks but tend to stay away from them due to how crowded they have become and the understandable restrictions on dogs. Now there's one more reason. We find there are spectacular places to film and visit outside of the parks where there are fewer restrictions. Still, it's too bad.

[@mattcolver1]

Yeah, I avoid the parks. Too much infrastructure. I like BLM land. I was one of those people glad that Trump reduced the size of Bears Ears because there's so much more freedom on BLM land. Now Biden put it all back into National Monument status. Before you could just drive all over the place, set up camp whenever wherever you wanted, hike off trail etc. It was great. One of the most beautiful places I've ever seen was because I opened a cattle gate drove through, closed it again and drove till I came to a shear 1000 ft drop-off overlooking the San Juan River. Just a breathtakingly beautiful canyon. Not a person for miles, nothing but the sound of the wind and birds. BLM land lets miners earn a living, cattlemen earn a living, and tourists to go wherever they want to go. Win/win for everyone.

[@falconquest2068]

@@mattcolver1 There is a National Park near my home. Down a gravel trail there was an old abandoned canning factory that was quite small. Around it was a beach with small foot paths over the dunes for access. It seemed very quaint and remote. The National Park came in, paved the road, painted the building a bright color, put in a huge (I mean real[y huge) handicap access ramp for wheel chairs, paved the parking lot, put in restrooms and completely destroyed the quaint and remote nature of the area. It made it completely commercial. I have nothing against handicap access for people but this ramp is a monstrosity. So what do they think people in wheel chairs are going to do when they reach the bottom of the ramp and hit the beach sand?

[@mattcolver1]

@@falconquest2068 I know. When the land doesn't have park status you usually have to drive washboard and rocky dirt roads until you can't drive anymore, then get out and walk a while to get to a viewpoint. Now they pave the road right up along the viewpoint so people can see the view from their RV window, without having to leave their air conditioned comfort.

[@Quark.Lepton]

What are the Parks supposed to do these days when every doof with a video camera-millions-are trying to monetize themselves shooting everywhere in every public space they can get away with.

[@mattcolver1]

@@Quark.Lepton I take it you haven't been to a national park recently. Believe me there aren't "millions" of youtubers creating content in the national parks. However there are way too many RVs blocking traffic and any view you may want to look at in the park. Maybe the parks should ban RVs, not cameras.

[@TommyJonesProductions]

Putting up barriers to prevent small business from competing with big business is a time-honored American tradition.

[@NickYack]

Everyday there are more and more artificially created paywalls to operate every kind of business. $100 a permit for a big production is nothing. For an independent filmmaker, that adds up quick.

[@JasonLorette]

That's bloody insane honestly. For major productions, like you said, I get it it makes perfect sense. One KZbinr and his camera, that's ludicrous. Do they not like free marketing/advertising? How many people have actually gone to a NP 'because' of watching a great and informative YT video? Mindboggling.

[@vitaminb4869]

I totally agree with you. They're shooting themselves in the foot by making it hard for small creators film in parks. This is free marketing for them, and companies actually pay big money to creators to have their products/services mentioned.

[@RandumbTech]

They don’t want any more visitors. As it is, they are getting destroyed because of overcrowding.

[@jimharris8786]

@@RandumbTech makes sense, worry about a few hundred because it is easier than worrying about the few hundred thousand. KZbin creators are not overcrowding the NPs. 🙄

[@TomInGulfBreeze]

@@jimharris8786 Randum Tech wasn't saying that they were worried about overcrowding by KZbin creators. He was explaining why they don't care about losing the free advertising that KZbin creators provide. The parks are packed, so they don't need the advertising.

[@theoldtimefiddler]

@@jimharris8786 youtube creators are increasing exponentially. every one of them wants the original view or viewpoint to get the views. in the short term for the most scenic places and long term most outdoor areas of any interest they will become a plague of locusts. they will traipse over everything just to get the youtube bucks. up in alaska, they ought to rename the Dalton highway to the Arctic Coast the KZbin Highway!

[@mattlewandowski73]

They have already had to implement parking passes to offset rising costs and lack of revenue. When influencers specifically start discouraging people from going to the parks, it will only get worse.

[@LivinglandNZ]

I am amazed these rules are in place. Here in NZ national parks are public property and filming would be encouraged, without damaging the environment / wildlife etc.

[@MrDecessus]

Problem is that humans love damaging things. Let’s get a reality check of how people really are.

[@luxurytravel759]

@@MrDecessus care to explain how people damage environment by filming it?

[@theoldtimefiddler]

new zealand is tiny and the remote location ensures that the locust plague of "social media adventure seekers" and commercial video industry will not descend on your scenic lands and destroy them like would be the case in the USA.

[@LivinglandNZ]

@@luxurytravel759 isn't that what this video is about ?

[@luxurytravel759]

@@LivinglandNZ No, video is about to inform us that there will be strict regulations for filming in National Parks. My response was to the other user who commented that humans live damaging things (apparently by filming it) so my question is how does filming damage the environment? I don’t understand.

[@AndysJourneys]

Someone needs to challenge this again. I could see for crews of 5 or more but One person with minimal gear is not bothering anyone. Not to mention that a lot of parks charge for entry. I hope this goes to court soon

[@technicaldisasters]

I have mixed emotions. I very recently had a very nasty encounter with people filming content for their social media. They were not respectful to the location or the other guests in the park. Enforcing the new rules would have ensured these people couldn’t monopolize public locations for their self-absorbed antics. I think a small production permit is fine, so long as it is easy to get and administer. Something like a GMRS permit. It’s $35 and you only have to agree to the rules. One rule being - you have to share the bandwidth with everyone, so don’t abuse it. Small film crews need to remember that.

[@VisibilityFoggy]

That seems like the most reasonable solution. A short form, a small fee and you print out or save to the cloud a permit for the day. That weeds out the clowns and ensures everyone knows some basic rules, which are mostly matters of common sense anyway. When they overcomplicate and overregulate, they damage their own cause because the reality is that people will simply ignore rules that are too difficult to follow and do whatever the feel like doing.

[@vitaminb4869]

It should be free. No fees.

[@TommyJonesProductions]

The problem isn't that they were "filming". The problem is that they were being assholes. Prosecute people for being assholes and leave the rest of us alone.

[@UTubeHandlesSuck]

@@vitaminb4869 Your overwhelming sense of entitlement is showing.

[@alansach8437]

I have also been blocked out from taking a picture of a beautiful sunset by "content creators" monopolizing an overlook. Taking a picture is one thing, standing there monopolizing the spot while you film the whole thing is another.

[@lavapix]

Thankfully every large permitted production I've been involved with at Hawaii Volcanoes Nat Park we weren't required to have a ranger as a chaperone. I was considered the safety guide. As for now targeting individual social media filmers in HVNP, good luck identifying them from the 1000s of others filming the eruptions. As far as I know, it's not being enforced for individuals not using props. They simply do not have the manpower to do so. The current head of media at the park uses my website during safety meetings for production crews to show where you can't go 🙃 It was a different time back during my busiest years of adventures. Good times most likely gone forever.

[@TroutWest]

It's actually pretty simple, just demonetize the video in the park. You can still film everything you want to film and post it

[@JevenDovey]

Maybe but if your channel is monetized then you could still get in trouble because it is part of a channel that is overall monetized and the intent is to make money.

[@TroutWest]

@@JevenDovey I would think if you demonetize the videos that are taking place in the park, they can't hold you accountable for your channel as a whole. Because you're not attaching the income with the park itself directly... It's no different than if you're a professional bike rider and you make money on that. And they notice you're in the park riding a bike... They can't hold you accountable for that. I'm willing to bet the farm if you demonetize the video. You can shoot anything you want in the park.

[@justonbrazda3846]

@@JevenDovey I think that would be tough for a prosecutor to pursue. If you can show that that specific video has made 0 dollars over its life, I don't see how they could prosecute you.

[@davidfirth1]

Not tough at all, I expect. If the channel itself is monetized, just the clicks for the influx of eyeballs can be used to justify beneficial traffic to the channel. I'm not happy with the rule, and my videography is personal or non-profit organization. But, I have seen a lot of inconsiderate creators over the years. The do crazy things for clicks folks. The over-entitled big names who make the experience of others in the space a bad one. But, an exception for the small creator is needed and I expect will eventually win the day in court.

[@2Bluzin]

@@TroutWest I dont think it works that way. At the end of the day, if someone is making a profit from their KZbin channel, the specifics of which video are irrelevant. The content is still a tool that helps the KZbin channel flourish even if the content itself is not specifically monetized.

[@marcusvaldes]

Their "rules" don't override the United States Consitution. Filming is legal in ANY publicly accesible area.

[@LukeAndersson1]

Bummer, I retire at the end of the year and planned on full time RVing, and filming where I go and I was going to put it on KZbin. I'm not a production company, I'm an old guy with a Gopro. This is a bad blanket rule. I can understand that if you have a big crew with all kinds of equipment and you are inconveniencing other people because you are doing some kind of a film shoot that you should have to get a permit. But for a supper small one person point and shoot tourist type set up, it seems like they are just trying to make a boat load of money off people. I hope enough people complain and they change this decision.

[@vitaminb4869]

I wouldn't worry about you filming of where you go. Read the comments here, how many people seem to be affected by this. Do you think NPS has the time and money to go after all them? This is never going to be enforced.

[@oliverplougmand2275]

It’s probably because the parks are overcrowded as is, meaning they dont want the advertising. The regulation they have made here is probably the best way of handling the issue, seeing as it affects a very small amount of people. The alternative would be to force people to get reservations for park entry. This legislation seems very logical in my opinion

[@artventurespro]

This is too much of a technicality which is abused. I understand why permit is needed when filming commercially where there is a bigger crew and lots of equipments involved which can POTENTIALLY destroy the park or cause disruption to other visitors in the park . But prohibiting an individual or couple or family of say 4 just enjoying the park like any other visitor but recording their stay and putting it on social media is totally absurd and ridiculous. Too much bureaucracy!

[@castironbackroads1447]

I hope this gets overturned. Several years ago I traveled to Yellowstone, Glacier, and the badlands in South Dakota. I would love to go back and do some filming but this puts a hitch in those plans. I may still do it, not film inside the park(s), and then do a commentary after returning to the campsite each evening. "Had a great time and saw a lot of cool stuff. I didn't hold up traffic and kept to myself. The wildlife was . . .wild and here is the dish I am going to make for you tonight. Oh yeah, vote out the people in congress. Thank you."

[@H2Oravens]

Wow, that is crazy. I always understood the no drones rule, not that drones can't be flown responsibly but as a 103 pilot the lack of professionalism in that side of the industry is kinda insane. But if you are doing a small production that is not infringing on anyone seams extreme.

[@04m6gto]

It sucks, but I understand it, also. With how many people film stuff for social media these days, they don't want the national parks to be overrun with a bunch of obnoxious TikTok'ers.

[@HikingwithGus]

Washington State has adopted this as well, and they are also including stills as well. They are charging 200.00 for stills permit and 300.00 for video. And, and, they may require Parks staff, and not to be overlooked, various "Environmental impact" staff as well.

[@adiamsanchezphotography]

They make it so hard on creators. It's nuts how public parks force us to pay more money besides our taxes to shoot in public areas.

[@soundgod3336]

Just plain greed.

[@escdefender]

Welcome to the real world.

[@gordon3988]

And notably website says it is about filming; not taking photos (unless for commercial purposes). Sadly, I think it reflects on so many users of the parks making bad choices. Having talked to a park ranger who had pure horror stories of herds of people all trying to film in often inappropriate areas (like sensitive grasslands or animal habitats). My suggestion was to simply add a law to penalize those folks found filming in these with very high fines (a minimum of $10k to start for example) I think they found this general approach easier, but would suggest the high penalty approach better. Another result of perhaps of too many people doing bad things.

[@zachofalltrades7328]

its impossible to enforce nuanced rules so you have to blanket ban it.

[@wa1den]

This is insanity, it's insidious and completely repugnant! This should not only be challenged in the Supreme Court, but they should also include a very large punitive fine as punishment for their pernicious intent, to discourage them from pulling this kind of crap in the future!

[@ShowMeAnAdventure]

New River Gorge requires a $50 application fee, even if you’re applying for the $0/day permit for 1-2 people. I’m going there with my mom and wanted to vlog our trip, as she’s finishing her last of the lower 48 states she has left to visit during this trip. I told NRG NP that my channel doesn’t produce enough income to justify a $50 fee for one video, therefore I’ll film the trip the way I planned and post it on my YT channel without the monetization turned on, which removes the “intent to create income” part of the rule. They had nothing to reply about that. It’s a ridiculous rule for the 1-2 person, single camera crew for sure. Thanks for making a video on this!

[@dronebuzz]

Whatever happened to "we the people" paying for and owning the National Parks? Excellent take on this topic Jeven! We've been watching this ebb and flow over the years. Hopefully, a better compromise can be reached to relax some of these recently mandated restrictions and requisites. Keep up the great work you do. You're a hell of an essential influencer for so many world over! Much respect and gratitude, T ;-) PS. Sure. People can tear into pristine hillside coastal cliffs to build an exotic mansion with an ocean view, but walk though the forest with a camera in tow and you've gone too far. (So much hypocrisy, too little time!) ;-) PSS. There's far more beauty out there where great stories can still be told. We've already modified our plans and strategies. I know you have, too!

[@JavierSN95]

if we dont speak out they will run over us..

[@cargoon-cargoconversionbui2880]

Thanks for updating us. This is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!!!

[@taste4travelorg]

That's so ridiculous! Thanks for the update--I thought it was bad enough not being able to use drones in the NPs and now this. Terrible!

[@taste4travelorg]

@@JohnDoukasPhotography Totally agree!🐻📷

[@HippieP629]

@@JohnDoukasPhotography I have ZERO sympathy for the idiots that do that. As a licensed drone pilot, I want to share stills and videos with others. Getting handcuffed bc of dumbdumbs is infuriating

[@harrisongould9460]

I did not read any of the other comments so I am sorry if this was suggested elsewhere. What if you filmed content that was not monetized? What if you filmed content that shows off the absurdity of it all and just don't monetize it? I bet you'll get more followers and increased subscribers that net you more money. This example came to mind...Casey Neistat's exposure of Apple's iPod battery issue in the 90's. Scene One: Camera point to dirt. Actor says, "This is dirt I need a permit to video for you all...no wildlife was disturbed during this filming." I know, pretty absurd. Keep up the GREAT work.

[@Mmmyess]

How will they enforce the rule? How with the park staff find out or prove that what you shot in their park on that day was used for commercial content and not just a person filming for their own memories of the park? What is the penalty for breaking the rule? What if you shot the footage before the rule change? And how could they prove that the content on a specific YT/TT video wasn't shot before the new rule went into effect? My guess is that they won't enforce their rule.

[@vitaminb4869]

That's the thing, they never will, because it's too complicated and will cost too much time and money, which they don't have. I can almost guarantee you that they don't even care if small creators come and film there. What they care is big production film companies, that have to bring in a ton of equipment, crew, set up whole sets, etc. They even mention that on their site. I don't know why so many people are freaking out all of a sudden.

[@VintageInsightPhotography]

They only need to crack down on a couple of prominent creators. The result will be a chilling effect on the entire vlogging community.

[@D.E.X]

So, you CAN film moving pictures if it is not for commercial use? And, if you capture stills in the parks for commercial use, that IS okay? Photographing a still of a nesting eagle CAN be used on KZbin? And drone footage not for commercial use? What if the drone is taking stills? Ever get the feeling that the people making rules for our National Parks might be drinking on the job?

[@KevinAugelloNewEarthFilms]

Although Jeven this probably applies to the US. The rest of the world will follow suit. I can see a point where a KZbinr might be visiting another country to create content and this will then require a work visa or face deportation and even criminal prosecution!

[@spencerhughes2255]

0:47 - 1:08 Who enforced this? KZbin? The National parks? A lot of channels run ads on videos and aren't monetized. How did this go down?

[@LaineyBug2020]

Ya, with how badly a lot of 'influencers' treat their immediate environments, I don't really have a problem with this. It's going to cut down on the vapid people who don't care about the parks and trample over guidelines chasing clicks and clout and leave the parks trashed when they roll out.

[@JaYoeNation]

yea... this is crazy... "be respectful" that should be the focus... not this. this is why i enjoy filming in asia.. much more friendly to people interested in sharing the beauty of the world. I make random vlogs... i dont know where i will be one day to the next... it would be impossible to plan a month in advance.

[@victoriamahon3765]

It would be a shame if private individuals who film footage for personal use and thereby ow the rights to that footage at some point in the future decided they wanted to sell that footage and legally are allowed to do so because they own the footage 😑 if they want to make stupid rules people can find stupid loopholes. Somebody really needs to take them to court with a heavy hitting lawyer because this is ridiculous and I think in front of the right judge with the right lawyer would be completely thrown out.

[@GratefulOverlander]

100%. Especially considering every park belongs to us, the people

[@KristenMcNamara]

Just volunteered for NPS, I brought my cameras and vlogged I am hopeful they can give me more info and inside scoop on this. I will report back!

[@BurlapandLight]

I’m guessing this is to include stills as well for clients. Man White Sands is gonna be issuing a lot fines now. Glad it shot my content there before the rules changes……again! Thanks for the update on this. I saw the video Nate and Kara did about the fine they got. This sucks.

[@WineWorldTV]

Not necessarily. If you pause the video when he first goes over the process for Death Valley, then they have a section for still photography. If you're using a model or a prop as a central focus, then yes. But if you're just taking landscape photos, then you don't need a permit from how I read that section.

[@connecticutaggie]

So, how is "with the intent of generating income" interpreted? When I film something, what if I film something and later decide to turn it into a KZbin video. He do they prove that is what I "intended" to do. Also, what about if I film something before my channel is monetized? What if I film something then someone offers to buy it? The "intent" clause seems hard to prove - unless it is a planned out shoot.

[@Iamjasonallen]

It seems like national parks would welcome all of these millions of small creators, with hundreds of millions of followers and subscribers, promoting the parks. Basically free worldwide advertising for the parks. The up to five crew members rule makes sense to me.

[@jeffbettenga]

The main theory of the parks organization anymore is to eliminate people from nature if they can. They certainly don't want to draw more.

[@vitaminb4869]

@@jeffbettenga If that was true, they wouldn't spend money marketing national parks.

[@dannypgrizzle]

I despise this ruling. Wonder how it impacts me posting the footage I shot in Yellowstone last year that was obtained legally? How long will it be until it is illegal to point a camera at the Manhattan skyline without paying a fee? Or that architects may want money for images containing their work? Or layers of fees, if the current building owners want a cut? How about the residents if their window appears in footage? Imagine the day when a hammer purchased in a hardware store comes with a licensing agreement that stipulates it be used only by a single user at a single location. This is all becoming suffocating.

[@chrisbrockhurst]

The permit has to be MAILED, cheque or cash only. How hard do they want to make it 😂

[@Pshady]

Deliberate

[@pauljs75]

Return the favor and figure out who is in charge and tie up their phone lines in the process.

[@WanderingMonkHikes]

Very helpful. Thanks for this video. I’m wondering about several content creators going together under a common permit.

[@imallierambles]

This is so disheartening. I just started my KZbin channel as a nomad where my odds of going to, filming and then publishing my experience is rather high. I don’t have a crew, it’s just me. I understand why the national parks do this but I wish there were different levels for smaller crews, budgets, length of film etc. Honestly, I may still chance it and hope I stay off the radar. 🤷‍♀️ Thank you so much for this info. I hope they reconsider but I doubt it.

[@justonbrazda3846]

You should be fine especially if you just started. If you just started you aren't getting paid, and unfortunately the chances that you will are slim. So shoot and post away. If you get big enough to get paid, you'll have to change at that point.

[@imallierambles]

@@justonbrazda3846 That’s what I’m hoping. But YT makes money from my videos and thats the part the worries me a bit. If only YT would help this situation, that would be cool.

[@dlsigler]

@@imallierambles Those who have lobbyists rule the world.

[@vitaminb4869]

You worry too much. No one is gonna go after you. Do you really think it costs them absolutely nothing to go after someone? When you think about what goes into "going after someone", how much money and time is needed, then you realize this is completely unrealistic. Worst case is they'll go after youtube, and it'll be upto youtube to police that. Going after individuals is never realistic when there are millions of them. And going after youtube would require a big budget, as it's in youtube's best interest for creators to post as much content as possible. Last time I heard funding in parks is minimal.

[@davidtorke92]

@@vitaminb4869 The NPS didn't know about the videos in the one case - 'till they were tipped off and received a complaint. The enforcement action is complaint driven.

[@longwildernesswalks]

Nope. IDGAF if they pass a rule or not. If I decide to record anything while within the park boundaries that is within public view (public view), and I post that, good luck coming after me or anyone else. There are so many legal challenges to any action they would try and take. Hell, I'd wager an 80/20 split on winning by just challenging them legally, on the first pass. This is nothing more than a paper tiger, and good luck enforcing it. So many legal options my mind is spinning. Constitutional law itself would trump any challenge the park made. I just don't see how. But, if you want to just say 'these are the rules' then use scare tactics to motivate people, that sounds about right. I'm telling you, this won't go far at all.

[@daveinportland]

Good information. It's kind of sad that this is where we are at as a society. I understand permits for large conglomerations but the solo or small KZbin/SM channel shouldn't need a permit. In theory we've already paid taxes (& fees) to get into the park(s). Keep up the good work. Thanks.

[@vitaminb4869]

They're trying to milk national parks any possible way they can. Parks should be there for everyone's enjoyment, without the government trying to monetize them in most ridiculous ways.

[@UTubeHandlesSuck]

@@vitaminb4869 Parks should be there for everyone's enjoyment, without hordes of KZbinrs and Content Creators trying to monetize them in most ridiculous ways and ruining some people's enjoyment of them.

[@robertrockwell7581]

this also includes all the the walking trails such as the Appalachian trail Pacific crest trail and Continental divide trail as well as bureau of land management property and all the National monuments in Washington DC.

[@cramias1]

If I'm reading this right, if your channel isn't monetized (which mine isn't), and you're essentially filming videos for personal use/memories, you should be ok. For small channels where the crew is essentially the creator and maybe a girlfriend/boyfriend, I have no idea how they're going to police this. It seems designed to encourage scofflaws, at least for small channels.

[@BlankChaz]

I wouldn't be so sure that some brownshirt will see a non- monetized YT channel as "personal use." Ansel Adams and Galen Rowell are spinning in their graves.

[@ElMundoDuro]

As long as you never hope to be monetized then you might be fine. However if you ever hope to get monetized then they will say the intent is to make money.

[@GalaxyFur]

You should be fine as long as you don't monetize your channel and don't sell merchandise or set up a go fund me. Also, the national parks are mostly going after larger creators. Smaller creators will likely squeak by. (Unless your video goes viral and gets a boatload of clicks.)

[@EXPLOREMOREFILMS]

@@GalaxyFur I wouldn't be so sure that you can squeak by... I was contacted by a NPS Ranger about one of my films. I am not monetized. I ended up needing get a lawyer to help handle. It was a pain but in the end, they dropped it.

[@GalaxyFur]

@@EXPLOREMOREFILMS They dropped it probably because they had no case. If your not making money then your not breaking the law.

[@iamthesenate6827]

Hey Jeven. Great video. Wanted to let you know that Congress is working on a solution to this issue. America’s Outdoor Recreation Act contains a section known as the FILM Act. The FILM Act would completely do away with the commercial/non-commercial paradigm under current law. In short, KZbinrs and content creators would generally be able to film on public lands without any permits or fees required. You might spotlight this bill in a future video!

[@JevenDovey]

Yes I've heard about this bill. Looking into more before I do any more videos on this topic. Want to make sure I understand where its at and what my audience can do to help it.

[@merlinawakend]

So basically they are banning all filming in parks from drones to regular cameras. I am pretty sure that if someone challenged this again it would still come up as unconstitutional!

[@vitaminb4869]

For "personal use" it's ok. So if in an unlikely event that they ask you if it's for personal use, then just say yes. Why do you have to lay out the truth to them. You're not a slave.

[@vitaminb4869]

@@Eric_from_Kansas Free men don't follow dumb and unreasonable rules. Simple.

[@EduarFilms]

Then go ahead and challenge it ☝️

[@merlinawakend]

I don't have the lawyers to do that! But I would consider starting a go fundme to hire lawyers to challenge it if there was enough interest in the idea!

[@EduarFilms]

@@merlinawakend that would be good idea, maybe Jeven could do that since he has a big audience

[@danasuechilds]

My only question would be if these parks/websites are quoting the law properly/completely or are just taking advantage of the role reversal to write those descriptions on their websites just vague/incomplete enough ("blanket rule") to cover their butts by being vague. Those fees are excessive, there should be different levels and if it's non-refundable, there needs to be stipulations on how to not get denied. This news is SO disturbing. Please share and we need to get the word out to reverse this ruling again, take it to the next level and/or add additional clauses that make it easier for the "small-time" creator (under 5 people, minimal equipment, etc.)

[@S2KV]

I like the new ban, been to several parks and these "creators" block the trail with all their gears.

[@stefpix]

As typical in the USA, from my European immigrant perspective. So many laws and restrictions because a few abused the system or got hurt and sued instead of taking responsibility. These regulations and laws involve steep fines and/or punishment. After an initial thorough enforcement, the application of these rules will fade, and occasionally a few unlucky ones will get caught and will pay the price. I saw some recent Casey Neistat with some quick drone sequences of NYC! Manhattan is off limits and he had some problems with flying drones years ago. In the USA it is tough to access wilderness, as there is so much private lane, fenced off, with no trespassing signs. Public parks are so regulated. In New York State they allow you to swim in lakes only in kiddie pool shallow areas that are supervised. Anyway it is frustrating and tiresome, that even public areas like a national park have all these restrictions. How will they enforce this?

[@AnAussieinAmerica]

This is INSANE.... It needs to be brought to the attention of the general public. I totally understand BIG production companies, but hitting the solo vlogger, who makes a couple of bucks from youtube or tiktok is so stupid. I don't even make $100 a year from social media just to cover the application fee. Lets boycot ALL National Parks, until this ridiculous rule has been removed.

[@vitaminb4869]

Just ignore unreasonable rules. If no one follows it, they'll just drop it, or at least never enforce it.

[@bxjourneys5909]

Wow, this is sad! Just when I was going to expand to NP content.,Guess I will be sticking to my cruise and travel content until this rule is overturned somehow!! Thank you so much for the info.

[@SmokyMountainBlessed]

most KZbinrs make pennies or a few dollars off the videos not enough to pay for permits, it's about sharing the location not about how much we make, all KZbinrs who go to the national parks needs to band together to make our case for freedom to vlog because we do no harm and we share these beautiful places with those who cannot come often or at all

[@danfox2575]

Yeah... no. We U.S. taxpayers pay for this land. It's actually unconstitutional for the Federal government to own ANY land apart from D.C. - not that we're gonna roll that back. But this is a great example of when citizens should not comply. Force the courts to overrule because they haven't followed the required public comment process. Mount Rainier National Park decided this winter that they were only going to let people in on the weekend, because "staffing." Waiting to see them get sue for that. The Federal government doesn't have the right to block access and use of public land - it's just a matter of whether we're going to let them get away with it.

[@korodski]

No no, NPS, it was filmed on a green screen 😀

[@Ulrich.Bierwisch]

This isn't a real picture, I just asked the AI-picture generator to create a picture with me in the death valley. Prove me wrong.

[@jessejayphotography]

This would actually make a great protest video idea. There is enough stock older footage to make this happen and totally legal and to troll the hell out of the NPS for being idiots.

[@RubiHammer]

It was filmed earlier at 2022.

[@calebcollinshomes]

Thank you for bringing awareness to this important subject! Free the parks!

[@theoldtimefiddler]

restrictions are needed. if they "freed the parks" they would become a trash filled joke with a never ending flood of "youtube adventure seekers" and commercial crews. the parks would be destroyed. but as usual the government bureaucracy does not know the meaning of reasonable.

[@bobbyburtonphotography]

Free the parks. 🤦🏻‍♂️ There is a reason these permits are difficult. The parks aren’t there to help generate income for countless businesses. We don’t need to commercialize the parks any more than most are already.

[@blindsquirrelRockChucker]

If a law is unjust a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so. - Thomas Jefferson

[@WillGoodlet]

Observing these developments from S. Africa with fear. It's actually already illegal to photograph, write, film, make maps (anything commercial - stock photography and footage too) in SA Parks and conservancies but thankfully, no one bothers to enforce it. I'm saddened to see the same idiotic ideas applied to solo film makers in the US where you have the manpower/court time to waste on prosecutions. But worse is the idea that views over landscapes or of animals that YOU witness are now somehow owned by others. It's a such a direct affront to the small amount of freedom we have left.

[@Zoomdak]

This is such a bummer because National Parks are set aside as places of beauty. And for those of us who love to explore and film beautiful places, this ruling is very restrictive.

[@GavinSeim]

Standing up for ourselves goes a long way! National park admins are idiots. Permits for individual filming on ANY public space are always unconstitutional and no matter how they spin it, people must resist by ignoring. Making vlog is not commercial filming. It's a video for you and if you later generate income that is none of their business.

[@wesorr1293]

Sounds to me as if they don’t want the general public to see the inside of the parks. They want you to pay money to come in and see it yourself. They know that no creator in their right mind will go through that permit process. It’s just their way of restricting it without “restricting” it. The purpose of the national parks are to protect the land, and I don’t see how a guy with a camera violates that (unless their motive was the one I gave above). These are the kind of laws that need changing. So disappointing.

[@tlewisAK]

WOW! I live in interior Alaksa and I do running videos on the trails in the area that I share on KZbin. I am not monetized by any stretch of the imagination (I am not a paid creator). The way I am understanding this is that if I pop down to Denali for a day trip, or up North to the Gates of the Arctic, or a weekend trip down to Kenai Fjords or Wrangell St. Elias I would need to get a permit? Man, this sucks. Big Brother is out of control. Most of Alaska falls under NPS juridiction This ruling will make filming in Alaska next to impossible for all but the big creators. Thanks for the heads up.

[@theotherHOLLYWOOD]

2022 Changes to Commercial Filming Permits on Park Lands Effective immediately, consistent with the direction provided in the October 28, 2022, Memorandum titled “Rescission of Interim Filming Guidance”, the Interim Guidance following the Price v Barr decision is rescinded and Section III: 36 CFR § 1.5 SC 24 and SC 25 of the compendium are no longer in effect. This decision reinstates the permit and fee requirements for commercial filming found in 54 U.S.C. § 100905, 43 C.F.R. Part 5 and 36 C.F.R. § 5.5.

[@srlewis29]

This is how big companies corner of the market. The government makes it illegal to do unless you have deep pockets. Government makes more rules for consumers to fly drones even, but big corporations get away with doing more. If the National Parks belong to the people than why do they make it so difficult to enjoy it.

[@waymor2460]

For those in the US if you’re unhappy with the current regulations you need to contact your Senator and member of congress and respectfully explain why these rules are prohibitive. A kindly worded email explaining the problems with the regulations and laying out thoughtful solutions will have much more influence than an angry message about government overreach. It would also help for the social media influencers with large followings to work together to urge those followers to contact their federal representatives.

[@072570ppft]

The NPS complains constantly about being underfunded and understaffed. In fact wintertime weekday access to Mt. Rainier National Park is now closed just for this reason. I do not believe the parks have the staff to process these permits. It will turn into a bureaucratic nightmare.

[@paulroyle-grimes8279]

The rule was initially made because of large film crews with large army style tents, large camera dollies, Russian arms, gables, sets etc. the modern small film creator has a gimbal that never hits the ground and a camera that weighs a couple pounds, and no crew. The rule was supposed to be to prevent damage to the park. To not use up the resources. Explain how capturing photons uses up the resource,