Was OLD Hunting Horn BETTER than RISE HH? NEW HORN IN THE EYES OF LONG TIME HH MAIN

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Oh god it was really hard for me to record this xD but I decided it would be easier to talk this through on the video like this than write to every person the same things over and over... Plus I think it is time for me to reveal my face (again but properly this time) xD you have no idea how much it cost me to record this, I REALLY tried to be as natural as I can but talking to camera still spook me a lot so in advance I AM SORRY for being a little bit awkward XD (and touching my hair so many times, lol I didnt realise before I edited it that I am doing it SO MUCH)
Also English is not my first language so I apologize for any mistakes xD
I know I repeat myself (AGAIN oh god) but this video is really only my thoughts and experience and I don't want you guys to think I try to convert people to not like new horn or something, but yeah, I thought this is finally needed to be said.
And I apologize for my camera quality (and recording in vertical XD lol rookie mistakes xD) but I didn't really think this through as it's still very awkward for me to talk to camera so I just grabbed my phone with like "IM RECORDING THIS NOW OR NEVER" and the quality is pretty $hit XD (maybe that's better XD)
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[@onkellumos9139]

As someone coming to this discussion from the other side, I can understand the idea that it was dumbed down quite a bit. I buttonmashed my way through world when it came out with dualblades and shelved the game after Xeno'jiva. I picked up the HH in Rise and learned most of what it has to offer, I guess. It really helped me to get used to the whole buffing, minding your buffs and postition with it, while dealing dmg. After comleting Rise 2.0 I went back to world, picked up the HH there and after some adjusting, I'd say I'm pretty good with it now and having a blast. That said, I tried to go back to Rise in 3.0, but just did 2 hunts and went back to World, because it didn't feel right. A lot of the moves I love from world just aren't there, the song list is just 3 per horn and while it feels adjusted to rise's faster combat, it lost it's identity for me. TL:dr: Rise helped me to get into HH, but now it feels like a tutorial version of World's HH and I don't see myself playing HH in rise anytime soon and I'll prpably just stay in world

[@Heavy_Blues]

Wanda Maximoff With Glasses over here spitting straight facts

[@dummy6980]

I got turned off by the Rise HH because I feel like they removed the reason why I loved it in the first place. The slow hunt is relaxing for me. Just walking around with my bonk stick, smashing the head of mons time to time while lining the notes to play. Maybe it's just the feel of Rise in general and it's not for me. Or I might be biased because I mained HH since MHFU.

[@vanadiusc6067]

So, in short: new HH is easier to use, but has a lower skill ceiling. I'm a long-time player (started in Monster Hunter Freedom Unite, where HH's performance mode played the notes, not the basic attacks. Clunky as f---), and i've see how good the weapon has become in the years. MHWI's was the best version of it, with a good balance between high damage, song playability and skill ceiling. It packs a punch, has a good gameplay loop, attack-play song-occasional encore, and variety of playstiles, from the ill-hated corner dooter, to the support HH to the full-on damager. Yes, it's not that approachable as a weapon to new players, but many other weapons are similar or worse, namely CB, SA or even LS, which has come a long way since the old games (hell, i still can't get my head around mastering it). It just so happens that there aren't many musical instruments used as a weapon in the anime culture 🙄 What i wanted in a new and improved HH, after MHWI, was: -to decrease the clunkyness of the attacks a tad bit, make it more fluid to combo the different attacks, like having to transition from Superpound (triangle+O) to left or right swing (Triangle or O) which takes so long and looks horrible with the character awkwardly moving the horn from the ground to the neutral standing position before the swing. Like, LS or CB or IG don't have anything like that, every attacks transition into the other so smoothly, you don't even realize you're not smashing a single button repeatedly. -make it easier to play the songs, and see the timer before they expire. Yes, you're supposed to use the recitals to do damage, but sometimes the monster is going apeshit and you won't have an opening for a long time, or it just wouldn't be wise to do a long-winded attack (look at fatalis, who barely gives you any breathing room), so you just can't afford to commit to a 10 seconds attack animation just to buff yourself in the middle of a fight, or having to waste even more time to play the notes, play the songs, play the notes, play the song etc once so you can do it safely, because that would waste EVEN MORE time, which means a huge loss of dps compared to other weapons. That said, i still haven't played MHR (don't own a switch, waiting for the release on PC), but I loved what they did with MHR's horn, because they solved these lingering issues. At the same time, though, it felt like the weapon became less... less *BONK* *DOOT* and more *SWISHY SWOOSHY*, if you know what i mean 😅 I'll give a better opinion after i actually played it in Rise, hoping to be as open minded as possible. About the video: as someone else said, next time you want to make a discussion video, make sure to have all your argument organized in a series of keywords, like "What i love about HH, what i don't like about MHR, what i expected", and then you do the free-talking, as if you were in front of a school teacher. Don't worry about the hair touching, it just showed how nervous you were. It'll disapper as soon as you'd become more confident with showing your face on camera. I remember the first time i did it as well, i was thinking about 100 things while talking and i was stressed af! That said: funny memes, lovely girl, nice hairs and cool pendant, what is it?

[@LadyMemenstein]

Hey thank you for comment and some words of encouragement 🙈🤗 definitely next time I'll make some script and plan it better! And pendant is an Arwen's Evening Star from LoTR:))

[@CloudWind0643]

I tried giving new HH a genuine try with 90 hunts but I had to drop it and I main IG now. It felt like I was forcing myself to play the weapon because I’ve mained it in every MH game I’ve played. Great video btw. (Edit) maybe it’s just me but I love the little dance you do while playing the songs, it made me feel like a battle bard.

[@LadyMemenstein]

hahah thank you!! And yeah same here I really tried to "like it" and get used to it but unfortunately more I played it, harder it was and more I was missing the old horn:(

[@DaniNyoMH]

I'll have to come back to it later, but already glad to hear some discussion about why old HH is better then the simplistic new one.

[@TolisBouk]

What i don't like in Rise is that HH is so repetitive..You just press A then ZR again and again. So i never use the ZR move unless the Monster is stunned.

[@ExtremeMetalLIVE]

Same feels here. 800 hunts in MHWI with HH, more than 400h. Now I have lost my main weapon for this melodic DB :(.

[@LadyMemenstein]

Uhh honestly I'm not even playing Rise anymore, both lack of good endgame and new HH unfortunately made me to leave for now. Maybe when dlc will come out I'll be back...

[@ragnatoa]

For me, the new horns main issue is the deliberateness. Before it was slow, aimed bonking. I put over 1000 hours into world borne with only the hh. I loved it, but I don't know if old horn could really survive in rise. Especially when the way rise is progressing, the ultimate expansion is gonna make everything faster. I do believe they needed to find some way to make it faster. Even the hardest fights in world like fatalis and alternative weren't as fast as the monster In rise.

[@Niall_Falco]

She Is the most adorable thing I've seen in a long time, and easy to listen to. Dont even play mh. So cute lol

[@LadyMemenstein]

🥺thank you so much:3

[@RuntCaustas]

A lot of the same thoughts. I learned HH in World and really came to like it. It wasn't my main, but it was easily in my top 5 weapons that I would pick up. With how long it took me to learn it, I appreciated the skilled HH players even more. Rise Horn just doesn't do it justice. It just feels like a hammer that plays music. The uniqueness of the Doot was lost when they simplified it.

[@ValidatorRisen]

Love the Evenstar necklace Eithene :o Doot Doot forever! NO ONE CAN STOP IT

[@SplendidSneb]

I hate new HH so much it's unreal. I pray any future releases revert it to how it was in Iceborn, where it was near perfect. After 4 games of only using HH I am now forced to use Hammer instead, the only thing close to giving me that same UNGA gameplay feel. I miss it terribly.

[@haloshock360]

Thank you for telling me this video exists from the other video lol. I'll give you a swan song story fro MHGU that was amazing that I'll never be able to do again. I was fighting Nargacuga solo and I was doing pretty decent at this time, still learning the ropes but in full doot doot mode. While fighting it, I go across the area to get a song off, well Nargacuga being the impatient kitty it is starts running over as I start to play. Right as the swing happens nail it over the head causing it to flinch, then I play my encore, he comes running right back again and I hit him in the head on the encore swing, this time knocking him out, probably the moment I realized it's my favorite I've ever used. I'll miss you old HH, here's to hoping for your grand return.

[@thathawaiiancaptainguy1494]

a casual horn

[@BranDon-kx9ig]

Omg. You are so funny 😂

[@d.b.hemlock]

THANK YOU! as a World Hunting Horn main I DESPISE Rise/Sunbreak.

[@kurosan0079]

I don't like the direction of Rise in general, and the way it did Hunting Horn is one of the BIGGEST reasons of why I don't like it. Like bro, seeing a Hunting Horn player *not* jam to their music (or even play music at all) just doesn't feel right.

[@Spectre2332]

A 500% quality content. IMO i prefer the mhworld hh. And actually im enjoying the video :) Very good job like always ♥

[@VerbalusKlumpus]

Heya! I know I'm 2 years late to the Vid and probably Noone will read this but whatever right? xD I'm a HH Main since Iceborne, I even went back to GU and started playing Valor Horn wich is awesome by the way ^^ When I got my Hands on Rises Horn I went on a Rampage for a good bit of Hunts (until you fight Magnamalo for the first time in Village Quests) and grew tired of it... The Main Aspect of the Weapon: "The Songs" got stabbed and gutted to the bare minimum... They basically made HH into a second coming of the Tonfas from Frontier minus the flying bit. While I do feel like I would come to terms with the new Moveset if I really force me to, pls Capcom.. PLS give me my Songs back because this current Version of them is straight up dumb. Also that Infernal Melodie? It's Icebornes Echospin but you need to build it up for some reason and how do you build it up efficiently? By spamming Performance into B Note into Performance into B Note and so forth... Or do the same but with Y Note instead of B Note. It's just boring. I wish for a Hunting Horn that plays like a good Middleground between Icebornes (my fav) and GUs Horn for MH6. Why GUs Horn and not Rises Horn? Because GUs Horn is the (imo) superior Beta Version of Rises Horn in many ways. Wouldn't be mad about Frontiers Extreme Style HH mixed into too tho, that one was really sick too xD

[@LadyMemenstein]

Honestly Iceborne HH is my all time fav by far, but I have to agree, that GU and other older titles had great HHs as well! Rise's one just got stripped into being the dumb dual blades gameplay, you dont even need to do anything now:( maybe we should dumb down charge blade and let it do everything for itself too? Lol, lets just press one button and thats it, why not xD because thats how Rise horn felt for me. Just spamming two attacks...

[@VerbalusKlumpus]

One Button pressed, every Weaponpart is charged instantly and morphing happens after 2 hits automatically lol I can already hear CB Mains crying about it, probably the same people who told Old HH Mains to just accept the changes and stop complaining xD Jokes aside tho, I hope they won't do this drasticly of a change from one game to the next ever again for any weapon. "Where lies the Soul of a Weapon and how do we keep it?" That's the Question Devs should always ask themselves before doing anything. If they wanted a fast musical Weapon they could've just made a new Weapon entirely and left the HH as is. Well maybe not as is, as even I have to accept that Rise is too fast for that. However, I feel like they could have fixed that Speedissue by making the HH Attack animations have a quicker recovery or have the Attacks merge into each other more... For example: Overhead Smash always starts with an upswipe from right to left, but if they would change it in way, so that if you do a Right Swing and then do the Overhead Smash, instead of it starting from the right, it would start on the left because your Weapon is flying to left during Right Swing anyway... That would reduce downtime quite a bit. Or maybe just speed up the Attacks themselves... I'm sure there would've been even more solutions but they went with what we know now ^^'

[@jack76thegamer30]

Yes

[@jhongamer-gc4ee]

MagTrio is a bad move, does comparatively little damage for high sharpness cost and a high animation commitment. I personally rarely use this attack. I like to "load" MagTrio up before going in to fight the monster then "fire" it off whenever I have a good opening for an infernal melody. Instead for medium to big openings I use something along the lines of crush->superpound->recital, sometimes cutting the superpound for slightly smaller openings or sharpness efficiency. Generally in the same time I can do a magtrio, I can do a performance->crush->performance and do the same damage for only 3 units of sharpness (shockwaves don't use sharpness) and I can break out of that combo sooner than magtrio. I agree with you about the echo spin attack, that was really cool and the echo wave songs were very satisfying to land. The new song system is interesting and sad at the same time, personally I like the idea of auto play songs, but I would prefer the more complex note sequences of the old horn. I guess capcom decided to streamline this to make the weapon easier to pick up for new players. I personally enjoy new and old HH. While admittedly the tactical gameplay presented by HH in the old games has been diminished I believe playing the weapon effectively still requires some effort. Even though chord/performance->crush loop is generally our go to move sequence now, there are many openings on monsters such as Teostra and Valstrax that cannot fit the entire combo and attempting to do so will get you punished. This is where good ol' backslam :D and righswing shine the most, on these small openings. I'm a little disappointed that the "combo moves" (the moves you can't use from neutral) are rather terrible, why do multi-crush and doubleswing do no damage and eat up your sharpness? (kick-up is okay for queuing red notes quickly at least). Have you ever woken up a monster with a well timed second hit of earthshaker? I'm curious, do you have any runs on Allmother Narwa or Valstrax with HH?

[@LadyMemenstein]

Yeah Magnificent Trio is not the best move, I dont like it really... and no I didn't do any runs in 3.0 update yet as I didn't play it, hopefully soon I will!

[@d.b.hemlock]

OK I'm gonna add to my original comment with another more in depth comment... Capcom took what was a niche and loved weapon and turned it into a joke. It's a button mashing over simplified pile of garbage. They removed our Echo Waves, they removed our skill and positioning. They took what we loved and butchered it to make it simple for simple minded idiots that actually think Rise is a good game. We needed buffs yeah, but buffs to our recital speeds. Buffs to encore speeds. Buff to damage timing from recitals and encore. We were niche, but goddammit WE WERE LOVED! Us HH mains were so rare and respected. We showed up on a hunt and people rejoiced. We showed people how not to be a corner horner, how we could dish some major damage too. When a HH main walked into a hunt they ruled it. We controlled our songs, picked our horns for song lists, we tailored builds for particular horns and hunts. While everyone else was driving an automatic, we were still driving a manual transmission. We controlled our weapon perfectly. Capcom decided to dumb everything down so the smooth brains could have some fun. Now sadly they'll take the so called popularity of the new HH and treat it as a good thing and make the changes permanent and that terrifies me. Go play World/Iceborne. Show them what game we choose. Show them we aren't interested in this new garbage, we'll go back to the old games and play them instead. Because if they don't get the memo they'll keep it this way for good. And that's fucking unacceptable.

[@LadyMemenstein]

Couldn't agree more

[@weinilykgaming5116]

I felt the same when i saw the trailer. But it felt so wrong when i tryed the demoversion. Im a new huntinghorn player. I startet around november 2020. The heriocs seeded bazelgeuse run is my first hunted monster with huntinghorn. And i was falling in love with this weapon. Normaly i was a longswordmain hunter. But what the horn can do is so much more. And by the way: the dmg is the same we can do like the Dualblades or lingsword hunters. I saw it now often enough. At safi siege i always get the agro at first. ALWAYS!!!!! So what should i tell more. The best thing of the new horn (sarcasm). All the youtubers who didnt use the horn because its a bad weapon at world are now using it in rise as the new holy weapon and they think they are pro!!!! I think thats not the way how this weapon should bee played. Im not a pro yet but im not bad at playing the horn. Its still a half of a year. And i have a lot more too learn to handle this great weapon. Ups 😅😅😅 there is a lot of writing in this comment 😅😅😅😅

[@AlexaRobin21]

Ichinose is a hunting horn main and he wanted to make it more popular. On another note, maybe try to script next time? This video is twice longer than it needs to be thanks to the stuttering and repetition.

[@LadyMemenstein]

yes I am aware that Ichinose is HH main! understandable that he wanted to draw more people to this weapon And yes, definitely will! Hahah sorry for repeating myself so much, that was my first video like this, next one will be defo better:D

[@bsk9737]

Ur so damn cute!

[@LadyMemenstein]

:3 thank you:D

[@bsk9737]

@@LadyMemenstein ur welcome ☺️ hope u have a lovely day/week

[@LadyMemenstein]

@@bsk9737 thanks, you too!

[@bsk9737]

@@LadyMemenstein hehe cute and nice, win win!