Was That Ending Satisfying? (Umbrella Academy Season 4 Review)

[@Ollie4101-wg3wy]

They ruined five and Lila, Luther died having never found Sloane and he didn’t redeem himself as a leader since season one. Klaus completely regressed into his worst habits. Allison was never forgiven or took full accountability for her actions, lost two husbands, and had to give up her daughter. Viktor got in the way and caused another apocalypse by not killing Ben. And finally Diego died hating Five, resenting his wife, and also had to let his family go. Wtf were the writers thinking, every character got the worst ending they could have. Even Reginald looked stupid in the finale and was betrayed by his wife

[@xdoriandanger]

I loved seeing Five experience happiness outside of a mannequin even if it was with the wrong woman, but I agree with everything else.

[@lorenw6747]

Couldn’t agree more with EVERYTHING 😭😭 what a let down man

[@rap_again]

Well said

[@roshberosh]

Thats what happend when Netflix wants to finish a series fast. Lame.

[@TheLaneDW]

That is all valid points, I do think that was intentional with this season though. The ultimate reveal was they are forever doomed to repeat their mistakes and end the world because their existence shouldn’t have happened. Hence why every season has an apocalypse and why I think they had them almost revert to how they started, to sort of further show that cycle. When you become attached to these characters that does suck but they still ultimately did the right thing and I think that is the difference. Despite being unable to fully overcome their individual issues, they were able to come together as a family in the end and essentially save the world finally, albeit, at the cost of their lives.

[@mcmoose64]

What an uplifting message , " when all seems lost , when you think your loved ones would be better off without you , off yourself ". Nice.

[@broderickfoster2107]

Can anyone explain to me why Luther went back to being a gorilla when he got his powers back? In season 1 he became that way because of an injection which saved his life during a mission gone wrong, it wasn’t an inherent apart of his powers. His power was super strength, the hair and body thing came later. Did I miss something in S4 where they explained it?

[@rap_again]

That's what im confused about...

[@iamsh0t0]

Bad writing is the answer… it’s suppose to be someone job to makes sure a show keeps its continuity and guessing they didn’t have one

[@TheLaneDW]

Yea not a clue. My only head cannon is that was part of his power upgrade. The body looked way different imo, whilst still being a gorilla, so im just saying it was the marigold. But it does suck they broke that continuity as that should be such an easy thing to keep track of 😂

[@broderickfoster2107]

@@TheLaneDW I kinda just assume at this point that they thought audiences wouldn’t remember that his powers weren’t related to that (which fair enough it’s been years and Umbrella Academy isn’t a super well-known property) so they just went with the obvious look of powers being back. They also seemingly forgot Allison can rumor her way into getting info or out of trouble, but again it feels like that’s more of an audience thing that writing decided to change stuff for (happens more often than you’d think).

[@rawrstanley7060]

Each member got a "Power Up" when they got their powers back. Relative power-ups but thats my head cannon.

[@thedanespeaks]

The way they treated Klaus, a fan favourite, was awful. Viktor and Reginald's plot could work, but everything was way too rushed. I hated the five/lila romance. Jennifer was a nothing character. The ending could work, but it needed a perfect setup, like in Dark. This just seemed... Suicidal

[@TheLaneDW]

It was a heroic suicide. They did it to save the whole world. Which their original goal, was to revert the timeline to 2019 from season 1 and they succeeded in doing that. Although they dont survive it, they did finally save the world. I do also dislike how Klaus was handled though. He always had the most interesting sub plots but I really didn’t care for it here really, especially when its the final season. Having him imprisoned on his own the whole season just sucked.

[@eduardarodrigues9744]

Netflix has a "problem" with suicidal endings, meaning: they keep doing it. Look at the ending of Sabrina it had the same suicidal tone to it

[@thedanespeaks]

@@TheLaneDW oh, I think you misunderstood me. I know WHY they did it. But the setup, the motivations, the way that different characters SHOULD have reacted made it seem suicidal. Now, this is just my personal opinion, but that's what I'm getting at.Why not try Viktors power to remove marigold? Why not try the subway? You need to set up that kind of sacrifice, especially with flawed heroes who desperately want to live. You need to show them trying and trying and then going to this option. Yes, they have 3 end of the world behind them, but they survived. It has also been six years.+ It was never explained why they were the reason for the world ending. Was it the marigold? Other timelines, including the original has plenty of that. Was is five time traveling? Then only five should sacrifice himself. Five just said that that was the only way, knowing absolutely nothing about what would happen and they went with it. Makes zero sense in my book.

[@thedanespeaks]

@@eduardarodrigues9744 Never watched that. I definitely think TUA just copied Dark, but I didn't know it was this widespread

[@xanderx3788]

And BTW, Abigail was wearing the Gene disguise while wearing the Abigail disguise. I hope every single person involved in writing this script never gets to work in the industry for another minute.

[@TheLaneDW]

That was quite funny, could work 😂. Im pretty sure Gene would have a bigger skin. I don’t think it should go that far though. They are the same writers behind the first 2 seasons and I think this season suffered from more behind the scenes issues really.

[@rush5235]

I never thought Umbrella Academy would receive the Game of Thrones final season treatment. I was upset with Ray suddenly abandoning his family without addressing why. I didn't like that Viktor's rage against Reginald was never challenged. What he did to him was bad but, Vanda was killing innocent people as a child. Didn't like Five getting with Lila, don't see him betraying Diego like that

[@TheLaneDW]

There are many things like that, which to me, seems like a behind the scenes time or budget constraint or something. The first 2 season nailed everything in regards to storylines like these yet with the same writers 4 years later it’s lacking. Just doesn’t make sense to me otherwise, especially considering the show runner had apparently had the idea of where this story would end since the show first came out.

[@Lostt-King]

I think that 7 years with someone makes u very connected and at some point most people might get feeling I feel like they almost love each other and Diego is the father of their kids but she cares for him

[@gish649]

@@TheLaneDWActually, these seem to be different writers. After s1, all the writers left due to Showrunner, Steve Blackman. (A lot of not-so-good things have come out about him on the TUA set.) So, there was a new set of writers from s2. And the way Steve Blackman gets scenes written from other people who are not part of the writing team may have largely impacted - especially when we consider the writer and actor strikes - the trajectory of the show. I feel like there are many culprits behind why s4 was faulty, to say the least, but the way Steve Blackman had mistreated his team, actors and writers may arguably be the primary culprit for why s4 ended up like this.

[@lailaalanna315]

You all keep sayjng Five betrayed Diego, but Lila started it. I thjnk that she was always intrigued by Five. She was flirting with him, even in the restaurant. They both hurt Diego, but it was to be expected. They were together alone for a long time.

[@melonpaj171]

also that the marigold gave luthor his gorilla body makes no sense at all tbh, his power is super strenght and high invulnerability the other part came when pogo and reginald had to save him after a mission gone wrong

[@Logannnnnnnnnnn]

I’m also mad about how they barley used their powers 😭 I wanted to see Klaus use his full power in a fight or something

[@YourFavEnglishHumann]

I have watched the five and Lila scenes over and over again and what really pisses me off was the fact that she was hitting on him, she leaned in first, she broke fives heart and everyone blames five even though he was genuinely in love with her and she was using him for “survival” (like the man has only ever loved one other person and that was a bloody manaquin) Lila just really pissed me off this season

[@TheLaneDW]

Yea she is a bad person in this for sure. Everything about their relationship worked for me and I understand why/how it happened but that doesnt make her a good guy.

[@Aurriliia]

@@TheLaneDW it doesn’t make five a good person either. Those two characters are the most morally gray and both have done very bad things. Sure she broke fives heart but five also brought up her broken marriage and tried to convince her to stay. Five has killed thousands. So has Lila. Both of them are bad people but want to be good and do care. Them being bad people however doesn’t make them bad characters but instead characters that feel more real. Plus Diego messed up the marriage too. Him sending five his resume and constantly complaining to Lila about his sad life when she’s already given all that up and was too trained to be an assassin / soldier just like him. He failed to see things from her side. He wanted to apply to the CIA despite having a wife and kids. No wonder Lila got tired of him. And when he realised his mistake it was too late. Both relationships were fun and good but never meant to last

[@YourFavEnglishHumann]

@@Aurriliia fr

[@sagathekawaiikilla]

Yo I was gunna re watch the whole thing but knowing it end like that I don’t even wanna…… maybe I’ll watch it all and stop at hotel oblivion

[@YourFavEnglishHumann]

@@sagathekawaiikilla 🤣

[@iscbl]

Saying that you hope a new show comes out that is just as "fun" as this one is exactly part of why I didn't like this season as much as the others. It felt like it was missing the sillyness factor that was inherent to previous seasons of the show.

[@TheLaneDW]

That is true to some extent. I do personally think this season had fun and many funny moments but nothing as memorable as the ones before it. That being said this season hasn’t diminished my love of the show and I still link all of those terms to it when I think of Umbrella Academy. It is sad though that it didn’t go out hitting all the right notes for everyone, much like yourself.

[@angelofthedead5589]

I was liking it up till the end of the 4th episode. It really went downhill from there. I really was hating Lila’s character from the start of this season, being pushy, constantly lying, clearly not happy, and pretty much blaming Diego for all of this despite him just wanting her to be happy. Sure, he is a bit childish and way too obsessed with the CIA idea but his character is always like this and it’s consistent… so how come it’s suddenly a problem to her. Then I really don’t buy that Five would betray his brother like that. I’ve always felt that despite Five being cold and mean that he cares for nothing more than his family’s happiness and well-being. I knew they were kinda leaning into it in the beginning but I thought it was just gonna be a little joke that they set up and I thought it was finished when Diego found out that ‘That little boy in the coffee shop with Lila’ was actually just Five. But then episode 5 happened annddd ya, I hated it. It just felt like it destroyed Five entire character. I think they severely under utilized Allison like usual and unfortunately Klaus too, which was a huge downfall. Especially when I’m supposed to care about Claire in the end and we barely get any time. We totally lost Luther and Sloane’s whole story, and that was super disappointing. I think Viktor was the only character I can’t really criticize all that much. I appreciate that they went back and gave us the answers to the whole ‘Jennifer Incident’ but I almost feel like that was the ONLY question answered. This whole season was just too rushed and left the story with more plot holes and questions than it answered.

[@shindolifegod-z5i]

Hey how would you feel if you had a wife/husband and they had almost no growth in 6 years.

[@angelofthedead5589]

@@shindolifegod-z5i Just my opinion, but then I think she should’ve called it quits. If she was seriously that unhappy, she should’ve stepped away before. Idk, anything! I just wish she would’ve done something other than cheat. At first she wasn’t, but she was still lying, but then she actually did and let alone with his brother Five. That’s pretty low

[@TheLaneDW]

Yea I agree with most of it. We should have had more of Allison and Klaus, especially after last season. Sloane just going is weird. I do think the 5 and Lila situation is a bit more understandable than most say IMO. Lila was unhappy with her current situation, 5 has always been wanting this “normal” life. The betrayal aspect is odd but its 6 years and they had 0 hope of returning at the point of getting together. Their relationship is also shown to only be serious 6 years in, meaning they did not rush that interaction. Thats at least my thoughts about it, but I do agree the Jennifer incident was essentially the only question answered which sucks when you are ending a show 😅

[@angelofthedead5589]

@@TheLaneDW Ya, I guess thinking about it in the prospective of 6 years, I could kinda understand. I just feel like 5’s whole character, for the first two season anyway, was cold sarcastic but would do anything to save/protect his family. It dwindled a bit in season three… so maybe the whole point is 5 simply gave up caring after so many apocalypses. Heh, as typing this I came to that conclusion. It’s all theory really

[@The_Marvelist]

This is almost giving me motive to start a whole media analysis channel just from how bad this season was handled Edit: And the show’s direction overall man, WTF!

[@TheLaneDW]

😂

[@SERPENTONORTHAM1992]

They ended the series with the worst season, worst character arcs and worst ending they could have possibly come out with.

[@TheLaneDW]

It probably currently is my least favourite season but I like the direction and ending they went for, I just think the execution was lacking.

[@slabamaz4131]

This was probably one of the worst ways they could’ve ended the show, hands down the worst season.

[@TheLaneDW]

I loved the sacrificial ending to break the cycle personally. What would you have preferred the end to be? Genuinely curious.

[@ChessSniper]

I thought all the ideas worked, but they lacked depth and that is where they failed. Every single aspect of the season could have been interesting if they had expanded why it had to happen that way.

[@TheLaneDW]

100%, exactly how I feel. Everything here is good but it could have been Excellent. They just needed more time I think.

[@ButyoucancallmeKat]

You are the first i have seen who’s had anything positive to say about season four. Personally it broke my heart… 💔

[@xdoriandanger]

Same!!! I hear you. I also keep replaying that "Dead to the World" song, making it worse but I can't resist

[@TheLaneDW]

Yea, the reception of it has not been great but I still enjoyed it. Its good to know, much like yourself, there are people out there who liked it. The ending was definitely sad, they deserved better by far.

[@khushi2132]

So the whole show meant " "

[@TheLaneDW]

You can look at it that way, but they ultimately made the biggest sacrifice of all. They succeeded in saving the original timeline, it just cost them their lives. For the characters I believe they think what they did was not pointless

[@8440k]

I am surprised you are among the few who liked the infidelity part of the season. Many dislike it. Klaus says Lila is the best in the family, but she is the worst, which pretty much caused the fallout between Diego and the five. She is as guilty as five but worse. She does what is convenient for her; she was with five when it suited her, and as soon as she came back, she was ready to ditch five. I really disked this part, it was unnecessary.. Five Despite being mentally 60, he was acting like a 10-year-old and was fine with breaking Diego and separating Lila from her family. But I am confused about Ben's death; if we saw the original Ben's ghost in the first 2 seasons, why did Ben not remember anything about Jennifer and about being shot dead. This was poorly explained. Despite being amazing, Luther was underutilized, and even Elliot Page(despite the amazing performance) could not save the season for me. The first 2 seasons are still fun and far superior to the 2 later seasons.

[@xdoriandanger]

She already started pulling away from Diego, then was gone for years and unsure she would be able to ever get back. If people demanded I stay faithful for someone I am already emotionally pulling away from on year 6 of being trapped in an alternate dimension, guess I'm breaking some rules!

[@broderickfoster2107]

Yeah honestly of all the plot points that made the most sense to me. Five and Lila were going through different timelines and multiple stressful events never thinking they were going to make it home, only kinda natural for there to be some kind of connection after all that time. Five not informing her of the way home and continuing the relationship was a bigger problem, but Five doing stupid things for the first real person he’s been in a relationship with sounds about right for him, especially abandoning his family too, he really isn’t all that connected with them. As for why Ben didn’t know about being shot, that’s just the nature of writing a plot point later.

[@TheLaneDW]

Much like other comments, the Lila and 5 things. I think she was already wanting to leave Diego and 5 was always longing for a form of “normal life”. In this we see them stuck in the multiversal railway with 0 hope of return. They thought they were stuck, permanently. We then see them have a break after 5 years of this, which I am surprised they didn’t have sooner (just imagine 5 years straight of that). That is then what caused the relationship. It wasnt a choice made lightly or quickly. It was a sort of, as Lila put it, survival tactic. To 5 maybe not but he was always longing for this connection, and she knows everything about the commission and time travel, so who better a partner. For Lila, he is her only way out of this place if they ever get a way back. She may have truly loved him at the time but when they get a way back she says it wasn’t 100% truth and she almost goes back to Diego, or at least tries. I think it is a lot more layered than people think and that is just some of my thoughts on it 👍. Definitely an aspect of the show that is and will always be controversial. But I can personally see both sides of it and understand where you come from feeling that way.

[@Spidermanfan937]

I don’t like the whole “ oh we’re the reason ultimately that everything went wrong “ . You could see killing Jennifer and Ben being an issue that could cause multiple timelines splintering off . I just don’t get mulling it down to something so final that they couldn’t be happy with their families . I’m happy for the other characters being brought back in the end .

[@TheLaneDW]

See I am the opposite. They are not the inherent cause, if anything it is Reginald. Yet they are the people good enough to sacrifice themselves to stop it. Also the fact they always cause a world ending event wherever they go is why I like that being how it ends, that they are destined to bring that with them. The ending for the side characters was nice though to see despite it not all making perfect sense.

[@SERPENTONORTHAM1992]

Love how they explained that the marigold in them was the cause. The substance infected them when they were babies yet the writers wrote down they should die with it, to save the world. Bad writing. Bad ending. The nerve of the post credit scene showing flowers with marigold instead of the characters living happily ever after.

[@b.a.t.8076]

Fr like if Ben hadn’t spiked their drinks wouldn’t everything just be completely fine?? I thought his reasoning for doing it in the first place was pretty weak anyways lol

[@TrueAce2146]

No everything would have started over because ben had the marigold in him so they would have still found jennifer and then bennifer would have happened​. The teue way none of this would have happened is if abigail bever showed them the marigold in the first place but she wanted them to take it so that everything could be "cleansed"@@b.a.t.8076

[@LilyCapriglione]

The ending to this beloved series was horrible, I could have written it better. I thought a lot of the story lines were unnecessary such as Lila and Five and then after all the characters went through it had such a sad and terrible ending, these characters did NOT deserve this ending. C'mon you are all experienced writers what are you doing though!!!!!!

[@TheLaneDW]

I quite liked the ending. The execution was not there necesecarily but them having to all die to finally save the whole world and multiverse is so fitting. As the whole show has been them causing the end of the end of the world every time, ending the show with them breaking the cycle is brilliant imo

[@DeMonDog68]

Yeah i dunno...Nothing in this season had me invested at all sadly. I thought maybe I was just missing something and thats why I wasn't reacting like I normally do in finales. Like the Five and Lila romance, I mean sure it feels icky, but they were alone together for 6 years. They're bound to cling to each other. So to me it makes sense...but it was done so quickly in the show that I had to logic my way through it instead of really empathizing with the characters. The Ben and Jennifer plot, I don't know, it didn't hit for me. It was too much the show telling me what was going on instead of spending the time to show how they were developing or letting me see why they felt how they did. I honestly don't know why they even bothered giving them "powered up" abilities if they weren't really going to utilize them. Like Allison straight up mind controlled a dude in the second episode to shoot his allies, but she never does that again? As others have said, I was confused why Luther got hairy again. Definitely not related to his power so that was just bizarre. Some of the funny bits in the show felt really surface level and childish lol like Thunderbolt peeing on his headstone. I was so hoping, after having that scene with Klaus and Thunderbolt in the coffin, that Thunderbolt would kinda like hang around with Klaus lol I will say I really enjoyed Gene and Jean in the first few episodes lol I got a few good laughs out of their scenes and the baby shark bit actually did have me laughing every time lol The show had me interested in the first few episodes and excited to see what was happening and all that...but damn the last 2 episodes just felt so rushed. It felt so clunky with Viktor going to Ben (in what would be the final fight) alone and the others are just having a Christmas party? Its like the writers were like oh shit this is the big fight we need to have them all there, lets shoehorn in an excuse to get them all together at the last second. This season had good ideas, but just absolutely did not take the time to flesh them out for it to feel satisfying in ANY way. Left feeling very underwhelmed and disappointed sadly.

[@Aurriliia]

4:48 SAMMEE like I just like why did they do the montageee. I really liked them using each other to survive and keep their sanity intact. I just wish this season had more time I don’t think Lila and five were supposed to be endgame or Lila and Diego. Both relationships were destined to fail but so much fun I agree with u on a lot of this review

[@TheLaneDW]

Yea everything do with Lila and 5 just needed more time at its root, it is a shame it didn’t really.

[@eduardarodrigues9744]

the problem with this season for me was the fact that it felt rushed, but it also had a bunch of subplotes that didn't needed to be there. For the most part it felt like they were trying their best to waste the most time that they could with insignificant stuff to get quicker to the finale because they didn't have a good enough of a story to tell

[@TheLaneDW]

To be honest yea. The subplots were not that interesting, including Klaus as well which sucks as I normally love his random adventures. It did feel rushed despite me thinking the story they had was interesting. It does seem strange that it felt they were trying to fill up time despite them having so little compared to previous seasons.

[@zeckoid]

For the love of god, please explain to me how seeing the children exist in a universe where the parents never existed makes any sort of sense. i refuse to believe these were the same writers of S01&2. maybe they wrote this trash during the writers' strike

[@TheLaneDW]

I think its the mulriversal railway. In the visual we see of them all dissapearing, they all do except the middle one. There does not seem to actually be any higher power in the show that straight wipes you out if your parents no longer exist. I think the assumption is meant to be that they managed to find the original timeline luckily, and so it wasnt erased.

[@taquanmiller9405]

Honestly I feel like the actors did a good job unfortunately there was bad writing with less episodes which made the finale 2 episodes really bad.

[@TheLaneDW]

It did feel like they were meant to have more episodes, but yea, the cast was great as always.

[@justanotherjessica]

I saw a comment on Reddit saying that the season finale can be summed up as "child abuse victims kill themselves as adults because the world would be better off without them" which is essentially what happened and holy shit is it depressing. WTF were the writers thinking.

[@TheLaneDW]

I mean yes but it wasn’t a depressive suicide. I feel like that is a thing that is overlooked. The reasons behind why they MUST die are not well setup but the idea that their deaths will save the existence of everyone and correct the world to how it should be is awesome. Its sad for us to see the characters die but for me the fact they were able to all do that at the expense of their own lives is a thing we wouldnt have saw these characters do in season 1, and to me, felt like such a perfect end to this show.

[@toothgap5597]

Big Tip if you dont already post your stuff to tiktok. Can get your KZbin channel more traction

[@TheLaneDW]

I have considered this, but it does take a lot of time for me to make these videos as it is. Currently I also have no idea how I would convert this content into short form for TikTok, which would be quicker than making brand new content. Will be something I look at in the future, but I will be focusing mainly on KZbin for now.

[@naigocirrot2027]

Season finale was rushed with very minimal showcase of superpowers and pointless sidequests. Although, I definitely enjoyed the music, character dynamics, and Lila & Five’s tragic lovestory. I was a bit disappointed that they needed Five to betray Diego, just to give Five a lovestory. I would prefer if the showrunners introduced a new character to be Five’s love interest.

[@TheLaneDW]

The lack of superpowers was upsetting but I still liked what they did in the finale. The 5 and Lila thing, yea they could have done that. Was strange having all of them die and still have those 2 hating each other. Definitely a strange choice.

[@tardisglitch547]

I wish the final scene showed the umbrellas still being born but being normal because they could all play different ages more thab likely and you could cut fives hair make him look a bit younger making things more hopeful that they still get born but not when they originally were. And maybe five wouldve been called Max based on the delicatessen he was in

[@TheLaneDW]

That would have been really cool actually. Definitely more satisfying for us fans who love the characters.

[@rometherevenant8749]

Had a really good start. It had that same sense of mystery and intrigue that reminded me of season 1, but then it just goes away as it goes on. I feel like Steve Blackman and the writers wrote themselves into a corner and just like the umbrella family, they just threw in the towel. Everything and everyone was so out of character

[@TheLaneDW]

It definitely did have a good start. I don’t think they necessarily wrote themselves in a corner as I feel everything they set up could have worked. I just think they didn’t have enough time to make it work. Everything felt rushed but the ideas were solid for me.

[@rometherevenant8749]

@@TheLaneDW I agree. But it still makes you think. Why only 6 episodes of the potential to expand on everything was a huge opportunity

[@20catsRPG]

Looking forward to that timeline video, according to everyone else the plot and ending make no sense at all, you’re the only one who says the opposite - can’t wait to hear your take on it.

[@TheLaneDW]

Thats good to hear. I am in the process of writing it but it will be at least a week until it comes out as I have a camping trip planned this week. Some things definitely do not have in show explanations so those people saying that are not 100% wrong, but I shall try my best to give a way it works. Hopefully it lives up to your expectations 😂.

[@relicojustice2623]

I’m one of the few who didn’t hate that Lila & Five got together because it made sense for them being stuck together for so long. I do however hate the writers for even creating the scenario in the first place. Infact it was the writing as a whole I couldn’t stand, even down to stupid details like Diego complaining about his belly then having the CIA fight where he’s shredded like a Greek God. The worst offence though was Jennifer being in a squid… WHY WAS SHE IN A SQUID!? Because she gets with squid boy later? F off

[@TheLaneDW]

The Diego thing was weird AF. I believed everything about him putting on weight and then 2 eps later he is shredded and the scene surrounding it literally puts your focus on it 😂. The squid thing was wild too. Thought it was going to be related to the fact Ben had tentacles but it was supposedly unrelated. That was dumb for sure 😅

[@ssjaang9284]

Luther and Klaus were responsible for almost every plot hole this season. I guess the main question is what happened to the umbrella academy. Is the afterlife that Klaus goes into with Luther in season 3 less powerful than time, does erasing the timeline mean that they never showed up there, and what about the "God" that was there whenever Klaus would show up, I feel like that is such a loose end that we desperately needed tied up but it wasn't, same with who tf made the subway. And Luther got such a short end of the stick this season. Number 1) He never found Sloan. 2) All of his character development was gone 3) This one upsets me most, he finally got his natural body back, something he wanted for so long and clearly enjoyed having, yet marigold somehow brought his ape body back which makes absolutely no sense at all. He had his powers his entire life before he was injected with ape DNA, why does this body come back when he takes marigold, this makes the marigold concept so confusing, like what is it. And what about all the original children who had marigold in them, the ones we never saw in the show, how come they didn't have to be sacrificed to the Almighty cleanse. If they did then why was there only 8 marigold flowers at the end, and another thing about those stinking flowers, are they not marigold? Wouldn't the timeline still be split. This is literally the most plot hole filled season of all time. They even introduce new plot holes, like Viktor being able to suck out people's marigold, why didn't he just do that and then sacrifice himself, he has been the cause of almost every apocalypse, that to me would've been the most fitting ending

[@thenomadsign8997]

In what kind of ending you let your characters be consumed by a flood blob..

[@TheLaneDW]

It visually should have looked different and been explained better but what it represents and why they let it happen fits the show perfectly. Also the show has always been weird and wacky, nothing new to me 😂

[@carriesfeather]

What a twist!!! I cried like a baby at the end. I felt the loss. (WOW it’s a tv show pull yourself together! ) I still question the existence of the children . If a parent is removed without a trace and it is absolute not even a faint memory, how can the child exist? All timelines destroyed ( or become united with some editing) how is it possible to place them on the train and come out at the end of any timeline to exist without one half of their DNA ? I get they were taken out of the hot zone ( the city Ben and Jenifer became enthralled, fused together. Great googly moogly what a sight) but how can the children still exist without the addition of two sets of DNA ? Immaculate conception on a grand scale? What’s the deal? I think they ran out of time and needed a fluffy moment because everyone else is eradicated . Or is it a window to a sequel. I’m so confused.

[@TheLaneDW]

Yea I loved the ending and was definitely shocking. The families of Lila and Allison surviving was odd but the only explanation I have is that they found the train if the original timeline. As we see people from across the multiverse can exist in multiple universes, it allows them to go there freely. Not the best explanation but just the fact 5 can go in other timelines without consequence means I dont hate it here but it did feel forced in there at the end when it didnt need to be really.

[@jamesfirth3216]

Final season honestly left a bad taste in my mouth would’ve preferred if they left it at season 2 ending without the sparrow shit.

[@TheLaneDW]

Not many shows are flawless and with its success at the time, it was always getting more than 2 seasons. Its a shame people feel the quality dipped but this ending to me, is still more satisfying than if season 2 was the final one.

[@entropy22]

10:00 They went after Jennifer because five found the powers bottle. So they knew something bigger was behind. Thats why they left their children and jobs.

[@TheLaneDW]

Yea that is the explanation they gave but when I was watching it, it seemed like it was just another item leaking into this reality. Sure its important to our characters but they think Sy is a normal guy at this point and so I don’t understand that suspicion fully.

[@GrimAhren]

The reason why Diego and Lilah were so gung-ho about going on a mission and leaving their family is because they were both unhappy living a regular, family oriented life. They both just wanted to go back to the old life of action. That's why they fell in love with each other in the first place. They're both psychotic. None of the protagonists in this show are well-adjusted individuals. The story is about tragedy, not happiness. These characters have, for the most part, negative character arcs with occasional positive bumps. I was satisfied overall with the season and the ending. I would have liked it if the season had at least eight episodes, though, so the storyline could have had a little bit more room to breathe.

[@TheLaneDW]

I fully understand that, but, they have 3 young children. I believe the reason you state, is why they went, but when they have the children, barely considering that is crazy imo. I do agree though that more episodes would have been better but this season was still enjoyable

[@clarkkent5115]

Season 4 was terrible. What happened to Sloan? Why did they make Luther a dumb idiot. In season 1 he was the loyal leader of the group and ended up the dumb character of the show. Klaus was non existent. Diego was getting dumb for this season too. Five and Lila hooking up was the worst decision ever made. They made this season all about Victor saving the day or at least trying too. He/She is so annoying, all about daddy issues and always playing the victim. It’s a shame because I loved the first season, wa still into it in the season season and third. Biggest letdown since game of thrones.

[@TheLaneDW]

I dont think it is that big a let down for me. I like all the ideas they had, I just wish they had more time to develop them. The ending was, concept was, probably the only way the show would end. With them breaking the cycle at the cost of their lives. It just needed more breathing room I think.

[@spacegirlcourts]

I liked the series as a whole, liked all of the characters and Vic's arc after speaking to his dad and them both learning to talk things out I also really liked. But for me, I'd have liked one more, just one more episode. The finale was okay, and it felt like the right ending, but I didn't really feel the gravity of "we tried everything" when Five visited the subway diner. I'd have liked to have just settled for maybe an episode, or half of one, where we actually SEE Five trying different ways to fix the timelines, rather than just seeing multiple versions of himself and immediately thinking "we should all just not exist, that'll work." The place the academy ended up feeling about each other with so many unresolved issues also didn't sit right with me, half of an episode dedicated to Five trying to fix things and failing, and another half an episode dealing with the family dynamic of how Diego felt about Lila and Five, how Luther and Sloan didn't happen or Alison and Ray, and I'd have loved a small montage scene where each of the characters saw peace, maybe Klaus getting sober again right before the end (I can completely see how and why he relapsed) and giving everyone time to see and spend time with the ghosts of their past and everyone having proper closure would have been really fitting right before the Cleanse wrapped up. All in all, compared to the other seasons, it was okay, but just one more episode would have been great. Also I'm completely open to the idea of a spin off show where we just follow Five and Lila through the 7 years they spent together, them having a relationship felt rushed in the main show, but after that amount of time with someone it's completely understandable, would be nice to see all the universes they went too and just HOW they got as close as they did emotionally.

[@TheLaneDW]

Yea I agree. The biggest issue for me is the time. More time to explore everything you said would have been better. The ideas are all great IMO just not fully fleshed out. That spin off idea is very cool, and I have a video planned for talking about spin-offs and that is definitely one I did not think of.

[@carriesfeather]

You have to understand sobriety to one who has never had it . Klaus was indeed himself . Self medication is pivotal to one’s demeanor . It was a look into the soul of person who felt the need to sooth himself or if you prefer protect himself.

[@TheLaneDW]

Yea 100%, I just didnt like the storyline he had tbh 😂

[@leighmercer9393]

Worst ENDING since GOT.

[@TheLaneDW]

I haven’t seen GOT but I don’t think this season was that bad.

[@xdoriandanger]

I noticed people tend to hyper-focus on "Five wouldn't do that to Diego! Poor Diego!" What about Five? Did everyone forget he spent decades alone with a mannequin? Forget that he basically carries the family, carries reality on his shoulders? Let the guy have a romance, Jesus. I don't even like Lila, but I was so relieved that he could experience what he did with her. I am heartbroken yet relieved for his character.

[@Aurriliia]

RIGHTT

[@TheLaneDW]

100%, thats how I took it as well. Did not feel out of character to me at all. If anything, it should have had more time to let the audience adjust but I still understood it.

[@sagathekawaiikilla]

Five was hooking up with her adoptive mom and kinda knew/had a hand- in the killing her real family thing……. It’s extremely weird. I don’t think it’s apart his character and I’ve seen people irl wait 5-7 years for a sick lover in hospital and not cheat, even if they was both lonely …… I never think five would react like that it’s out of character…….. & based on the ending doesn’t even seem like it was worth it- five fought so hard for his family and to have 1 of them hate his guts….. they coulda at least made it feel like he thought twice or feesl guilt begging his brother for forgiveness but no…

[@xdoriandanger]

@@sagathekawaiikilla Good point about how he should have been shown taking pause in regard to Diego, that would have been a nice touch to add. And I see what you mean I just feel for her trying to start the process of drifting away from Diego before they left, she was already losing the desire to be with him. Man I wish things would have ended differently! I think at at the end of the world for them, it slightly became a "you're the last man, I'm the last woman, soooo might as well get together" a little bit and things just naturally happen.

[@sagathekawaiikilla]

@@xdoriandanger lol I feel u- I still don’t like what they did but ima end this by saying I liked lila and Diego relationship more than i expected, and wish they coulda grew stronger together

[@carriesfeather]

Five wanted the ‘marigold’. Simply he needed answers . Where, how and why did this box come to exist. He wasn’t really thinking about his promise at the time he took the box. He needed time and the boxes contents to find his own answers. You all must have known there was an attraction between Five and Lila . She was bored and tired of being overlooked. She loves Diego and her kids but she is such a capable person to be treated like a piece of fine china by Diego or should I say a lessor adult became too much for her. What I found strange was her kinship with Allison but then Lila had fooled by her witchy power crazed mother her whole life had come to a realization she had to learn forgive and trust to survive with any type of quality in her life.

[@TheLaneDW]

Yea I agree and I 100% get that. For me the stuff with the Marigold at least. It just seemed too quick for them to drop all of their lives given the 6 year time gap, even when the keepers exist and know that there does not have to be a correlation with the items and people owning them. I

[@chenzexuan5752]

Is….. he actually defending Season 4’s writing?

[@TheLaneDW]

Yes….. He is 😂

[@chenzexuan5752]

@@TheLaneDW I think the performances were still of high quality, but the writing is completely indefensible. They just took elements of Attack on Titan, Rick and Morty, your typical love triangle, and mushed them together. It’s not to say there was nothing to like about Season 4, Episode 2 is a strong standalone episode, largely due to actor performances. The concept of the ending was reasonable, but extremely poorly executed. Looking in a vacuum, Season 4 is just a poor series of television, regardless of what franchise it came from. The cast did the best they could with the writing, but it was ultimately all directionless and unfulfilling.

[@outsidethebox3185]

Hi from North Carolina. I REALLY enjoyed your review. I enjoyed the season too and like that. I'm not the only one. 😊 It is sad they sacrificed themselves that is a rare way to end a show however I always respect even in fiction when ones sacrifice themselves for others. I hope to see any other post you make on this show.

[@TheLaneDW]

Thank you, glad you liked the video and the season. It sucks being let down so its good to know some people werent 😂. I too like the sacrificial ending with them finally bringing an end to the cycle of them destroying the world with these apocalypse’s. Its so fitting and the only end I could imagine for these characters and this show and is definitely something unique which I love.

[@carriesfeather]

If anyone needed medication I would say Allison did. Her power that would corrupt any of us had to controlled and measured out constantly. She wanted to be with her daughter. That was her underlying ultimate goal through the series. Funny what happens to someone when they carry a child for months there is often a pull more powerful than the strongest magnetic attraction. Everything must align . With here sterile upbringing I felt she needed to be there for her daughter.

[@calvarydominique]

I gotta say that while I enjoyed the first few episodes, the story as a whole was a rushed mess, Five and Lila were a terrible decision and horribly disrespectful to Diego, a lot of the siblings felt out of character, there are way too many unanswered questions and unresolved plot lines, and I strongly disliked the ending because it didn't feel earned at all. But I really respect that you're willing to give a positive perspective on this season in a sea of widespread intense hate (with fans comparing this season to GOT S8, saying they are heartbroken, saying that it ruined the whole show, saying that they feel the ending sends a horrible, nihilistic message, etc). There are lots of shows/films with polarized/mixed reactions, but here things seem to be heavily lopsided. I really wanted to love this season, as I love the characters, and the show deserved an excellent ending. Initially I thought I WAS vibing with the season, and I was confused by the reviews, but when I got to the final two episodes, I understood. So I'm glad someone was able to enjoy it at least. You may genuinely be one of two fans who liked the Lila/Five ship haha.

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

I don't understand why people thought the ending was nihilistic. They did everything for their families. Overcame their selfish abusive behaviours, Made the ultimate sacrifice, endured pain, and in the end forgave each other.

[@calvarydominique]

@@genmaicha.lapsang They didn’t do any of that though? The ending wasn’t earned. They were still just as selfish and abusive at the end, and they didn’t even forgive each other (five and diego were still at odds, for example). They also had no time to come to the decision to make that sacrifice. It was all so rushed. Here’s a Reddit post someone made that puts it better than I can: Season 4 to Abused Kids: Self Delete Please This show was about 7 kids raised by an abusive, neglectful parent, and if they can heal from their trauma and find a way to relate to each other without their shared abuser forcing a connection. It had three main plot elements. 1. Can these abused kids heal from their trauma? 2. Can they relate to each other and become a family without their shared abuser forcing a connection? 3. Can they use their special gifts in a meaningful way, like saving lives or the world? Or will their gifts damage the world? And in the end, instead of healing or finding how to use their gifts, the show says "You're the problem. Not the abusive parent, not enemies who want to attack you. Your special gifts are nothing but a terrible issue. You're causing the problems, kill yourself and the world will be better off!" And in the end, once the abused kids commit mass suicide, the world is now shiny and beautiful and perfect. Even better, all the psychotic murderers and villains from past seasons are leading peaceful happy lives in this blissful paradise where the abused kids are now erased from existence. Not only did the abused kids never win any battles against evil, but the villains were only evil because the abused kids were messing up the world by existing!

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

@@calvarydominique But the issue is that they were the problem. Yes abuse is bad but the point is that that is NEVER an excuse to then turn around and be abusive yourself. When an abused person does that then yes, they are the problem and it is up to the abused person to fix themselves. They need to fix it, not the world fixes their abuse for them. Life doesn't work that way

[@calvarydominique]

@@genmaicha.lapsang oh wow, well that’s just a fundamentally right-wing worldview that I disagree with from a philosophical perspective. Obviously being abused is not an “excuse” to abuse others, but it is an explanation. And that doesn’t mean formerly abused children should just die.

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

@@calvarydominique You can call it what you want, but it's the truth. These characters in the end saved the world. And most importantly Lyla secured her own families safety before saying good by. There was no forced sacrifices, no sacrificing of other people. That's probably why a lot of fans dislike the ending. For such a woke show (which I like) to go out on such a based note is probably going to upset people.

[@cutekittycat521]

What was up with season 3 ending the other Ben on the train like what was that for ??

[@happycatyoutube]

Great review! Do I spot a bristolian accent by any chance? 🤔

[@TheLaneDW]

Thank you, and…. maybe? 😅

[@happycatyoutube]

@TheLaneDW alright me babber! Fellow bristolian here! Cheers drive for the video 😂😂 sorry! Couldn't help it 😂😂

[@TheLaneDW]

@@happycatyoutube Getting them all out😂

[@happycatyoutube]

@@TheLaneDW absolutely 😂😂 I feel better now 😇☺️

[@SteffiD5]

Hello from Episode 3's Channel 9 news' Bailey Stone!! 🦑🦑🦑

[@TheLaneDW]

Oh damn, sorry I am slow. Never normally get many comments, especially not from actors in shows I love. That is very cool though. Cool to see you are interested in seeing responses to the work you are in.

[@connorjaggers1388]

The plot holes is weird lol I might be wrong but didn’t Abigail did not want the marigold to be spreaded but she also gave marigold to the umbrella academy😭 also wouldn’t there be a kugelblitz cause Lila and allison family in the main timeline or there can’t be cause is the main timeline?!?!?

[@TheLaneDW]

For the timeline one, I think they found the original timeline in the multiversal railway (somehow). The rest, not a clue. There are quite a few plot holes, which is why I wish the show got more time this season.

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

I liked the ending. Yes, it is rushed and yes Netflix cut the budget which harms the show's production. BUT I think it's a perfect ending. It's sad, it's a bit bleak but that's also life and family. It's bitter but there is still love. Yes, Mr and Ms Hargreaves are hypocritical awful people, they always were and always will be, they deserve each other and there is no redemption for them.

[@TheLaneDW]

I agree with you fully. Something poetic about these characters having to sacrifice their existence to save the world and multiverse, after being the sole reason for it always ending. It is sad, it is bleak like you say but I cannot imagine a more fitting end for this show.

[@KangaRooTube]

I guess the ending everything resets and nothing ever happened kind of does fit this show. Just wish it had a more upbeat funny ending.

[@TheLaneDW]

Yea a nice happy ending is always a safe and good way to end but I like this more risky and different take.

[@madteam3parents773]

I don’t understand. Wasn’t Grace, Reginald’s wife?

[@dwarfchron801]

Overall I enjoyed the season and the ending of the show. But it did feel a bit rushed, and like Netflix was nice enough to not cancel the show, but they told the show runners they were only getting 6 episodes and X amount of money to finish it all up. I think that's why theres stuff that was never fully explained or wrapped up, not enough time. And why it didnt show way more cool stuff (Like all the different universes Five and Lila traveled to. Too expensive.) And although im not a fan of the Lila, Five & Diego love triangle, (It felt kinda forced and out of no where to me.) it didnt totally ruin the season or characters for me like ive seen soooo many other people say it did for them. I can understand why Lila and Five would eventually have a thing if they were alone together for that long. Maybe if the season was longer and it was more fleshed out I wouldve liked it more. But overall I enjoyed it and im happy I got an ending to the show and it didnt just get cancelled. I know theres a lot of people that would disagree and wouldve rather got nothing at all, but I personally think thats a bit dramatic. Great video!

[@mtan1293]

The railway scene is where should sloane should reappear

[@tlanca]

An alright season. I liked it better than the last, but the pacing of this one had me bored in places. Each character had their high points and low points, but only a few stayed consistent throughout. As one of the other comments, it would been nice to see Luther re-become the leader like they show in all the flash backs and in season 1. I did like how everything finished with them taking the ultimate sacrifice. I wish there was a whole episode on the Five's in the deli. At the very end, sure the Umbrella Academy was erased, but Reginald Hargraves was still alive, maybe/maybe not spinoffable; His character could be interesting in his own show if written correctly. Maybe as like a Men In Black style with less aliens meets Dirk Gently Holistic Detective. Your takes are interesting and different than mine, but does show we find different things charming with the show and what we came to it for. A great and engaging first season. A mostly great or good second season. An okayish and real confusing/convoluted third season. A goodish fourth season with a few to many eh spots.

[@29wanya]

It's the fact it was rushed the ending did not feel deserved, they ruin all the character, storylines were just wtf. How Lila and 5 just cucking Diego and NEVER ending it before they die not even saying sorry to him or even trying to make good. Just death.

[@sagathekawaiikilla]

Gene and Jene couldve been amazing villains - not enough chaotic fighting. They destroyed five character and why did the main plot become the viktor show ???????! And I like the person who plays the character but - wtf happened with the story??????! It was all over the place and this time not in a good way.

[@TheLaneDW]

I thought the story was good and the ideas were great just some of the execution was off. Gene and Jean 100% should have been amazing and im sad I didnt care for them that much. They were the thing I was excited for the most with this season

[@RubyTuesday-p4z]

I'm disappointed, wouldn't all of Hargreaves children have to sacrifice themselves? Why only the Umbrella academy and Lila? It seemed super rushed... Also...I wish it had ended with the music they always danced to in the beginning

[@willowkaiser4036]

Personally, I thought the ending was good. Not enough episodes, explaining everythand exploring all the side stories. They had left that they left open. But I prefer to a different ending. Yes, sure.i would have but it would have been hard to continue doing that

[@TheLaneDW]

Yea 100%, the lack of episodes could be felt and it would have helped everything having that.

[@IDontLikePhysics]

1 : Didn't explain everything clearly, if we see this as final season 2 : Didn't make Sloane come back, Then why they even added her in previous season 3 : What about post credit scene, Another Ben reading Book? 4 : Gave worst story arcs to the main characters like Five, Kalus and Luther 5 : Acting of some actors looked mediocre 6 : Unsatisfied Ending 7 : Forced and Weird relationships 8 : Overall lazy and worst writing !!!!

[@TheLaneDW]

That is a list of valid points. Some I would not agree with personally but the lack of episodes/time in this season, is almost directly responsible for many of those.

[@tnd682]

So are you gonna delete this and up a video recognising it sucks or just silently give up on this career path because of your opinions? I mean who in their right umbrella academy fan mind would like this?

[@TheLaneDW]

Why so negative😂. I simply enjoyed it. It is my least favourite season but I had fun. The first 3 episodes were brilliant in my eyes and the ideas in the season are all great. The execution is not so great but I feel like that is an issue because of Netflix and not the writers and so although it is not perfect I can see what they were going for. Opinions are a thing that exist and just because you do not like it, does not mean everyone shares that thought. I know I am not the only one who does like it as well. For me, I love this world and these character and that continued in this season to enough of an extent I enjoyed it. I am sorry you did not enjoy it though, I personally hate when I stop loving a show I used to.

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

I said this in reply post but I think that it should be said here, For such a, "woke" show to end on such a "based" note is probably going to upset most of the fans. In essence the ending message is that it is up to you as an individual to be a better person, to break the cycle of abuse, to stop blaming your own bad choices on pervious abuse. And that ultimately it's not up to the world to change for you. Even in the execution of the ending, Lyla ensures the safety of her nuclear and extended family BEFORE committing to anything no matter what is happening in the world. No one is sacrificed unwillingly. Again such a thing is very "right wing." If you want to call it that.

[@mle1ravens1]

Mehhh, maybe...only to someone really trying to look for it like that

[@AnnJoeyMendez]

It was very disappointing! We need a redo!

[@TheLaneDW]

I would not go that far. The ideas are great just needed more time to explore them.

[@himayamata]

I was disappointed with the season 3 finale. I just skipped to watch the season 4 finale. Yeah. Another series ruined.

[@pepito2847]

So this is what I think of S4 as a whole. Tbh, I thought MOST of the season was fun and enjoyable Luther evolved into a lovable comedic character, Viktor did great standing up to his father, I didn’t hate Allison this season like I did in S3 and even though Five and Lila making love was scummy, it was still an interesting direction for me Believe it or not, my biggest problem with this season actually wasn’t our favorite superpowered family being erased(while I didn’t necessarily think it was the best direction from a writing standpoint, the team had an emotional and touching farewell) But its the fact that POS Sir Reginald Hargreeves ONCE AGAIN got off Scott Free and actually got a happy ending despite being the one that cause all this BS in the first place. Its like the showrunners have some obsession with making him win over pur protagonists at every turn, even though Reginald hasn’t been that interesting or complex and every time it seems his character may improve, he goes back to his old thoughtless ways.

[@TheLaneDW]

That all sounds similar to how I feel to be honest. I would argue that Reginald didn't exactly get a "Happy Ending" but he definitely got off easy after all he did. Reverting the timeline means he is technically still out there somewhere he just never made the children.

[@entropy22]

Horrible ending

[@TheLaneDW]

I like the ending, I just wish there was more time to explain it and how it got there. Was too quick and out of no where.

[@HqbsbJananz-qy8bg]

I subbed

[@TheLaneDW]

Thank You👍, you liked the video.

[@marklutker9720]

Ughh, awful. Period.

[@TheLaneDW]

I do not agree with it being that bad, there are many good elements here.

[@marklutker9720]

@@TheLaneDW I would ask you to compare to previous seasons, plots etc. The story outlines. None of that was here. If you liked it, I respect that. I liked the Lila/5 romance... I can see why others don't because of his brother.. and 5 killed her parents... but if you overlook that and the many many other weird elements.. it just was not a good watching for me.

[@Tactical_Response_Team]

I love the show, but the ending sucked bad.

[@TheLaneDW]

I liked the concept of them breaking the cycle of apocalypse’s but it would have been nice to see them survive.

[@Tactical_Response_Team]

@@TheLaneDW Def! 5 is my favorite character! And I feel bad what happen with Lila, Diego, and ,5 but Diego didn't give the girl attention and we know what happens when a woman doesn't get attention you lose her. Not 5s fault! He's my favorite character!!!! I also like Allison "I hear a rumor" move is badass too! And 5 manipulating time is just pure badass!!

[@papagiorgio10120]

Garbage. Luckily soon AI will probably just let us reedit all of these abysmal finales and late seasons and fix them. For now, this show has ended on season 2 for me.

[@TheLaneDW]

Thats a shame. Sucks the show ended in a place where fans like yourself feel that way.

[@boomercoco1]

Lets be honest its more like Ellen Pagie personal life on how she felt looking in a mirror b4 the sex change

[@TheLaneDW]

What? 😂