Was Thatcher a Liberal?

[@davidstarkeytalks]

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[@molloyrm]

Good on you, David, for coming out fighting and not curling up in a corner like almost everybody else who is attacked by the illiberal mob. You're an inspiration.

[@DrSpooglemon]

What are you even talking about? He didn't sound combative to me. He sounded like someone trying to explain something not like someone having a fight. I think the fight is just in your head.

[@zoobee]

I don't think I've ever felt affection for an academic / writer / public figure before like I have for David. Every video a delight. I know this channel is going to grow and be a huge success.

[@Cambrandreth]

I couldn't agree more.

[@importantjohn]

Are you sexually attracted to him?

[@allenomalley4014]

He is a great teacher and an interesting bloke

[@HistoryBro]

Dr Starkey is quite simply the best around.

[@willforest5302]

starkey on lotus eaters when?

[@HistoryBro]

@@willforest5302 I'd dearly, dearly love to have a conversation with him. Have contacted him a fair few times. Been ghosted. Pretty sure he isn't interested. :-(

[@willforest5302]

@@HistoryBro thats such a shame, the conversations would be legendary

[@craigjovanovich6450]

Lunch with the good Doctor? You Brits are so lucky!!!

[@andrewegan7011]

My favourite Margaret Thatcher comment was made when Mitterand (the French president) moved the EU summit to Paris to celebrate their revolution Margaret replied "it was not case for celebration and we had our own non violent revolution achieving the same 100 years earlier."

[@ireneheron9523]

I don't think that such an accomplished woman as Margaret Thatcher could have forgotten about the English civil wars...In my humble opinion, that was the equivalent of the French revolution(I assume it is the 1789 one - the french really delight in political unrest) and not the glorious revolution and William of Orange. Anyway, why be intellectually disingenuous just to have a jab at the expense of the french, however irritating they might be thinking they invented the modern state with their unending swaping of Bourbons and Bonapartes

[@raypurchase801]

@@ireneheron9523 Maggie referenced the "Glorious Revolution of 1688. She knew the French would celebrate their bicentennial. She arranged for tricentennial celebrations during the previous year and beat the French to it.

[@stephfoxwell4620]

She was referencing one of the biggest frauds in our history. The myth of the Glorious revolution. In reality we were invaded by the Dutch and victims of a Coup. A fleet of 550 ships and an army of 40,000 is by any measure an invasion.

[@DevonDandy]

I was on hiliday in France when they were 'celebrating' the anniversery of the Revolution. It did seem odd to me that they were so proud of the blood baths that their fore fathers presided over. Hardly the mark of a 'civilisation.

[@geraint8989]

Over the coming months, lots of people will be trying to sound intelligent at dinner parties by floating their 'original' idea that Thatcher was a liberal... they're stuffed if any of their fellow guests are also subscribed to Dr Starkey!

[@olwens1368]

I've been thinking that about a few of his talks- they're going to be recycled at dinner parties by people pretending they've just thought of things.

[@LeeGee]

The guy who asked the question is doubly stuffed.

[@drifty_grifty]

Lot of people thought this before the question was asked so not really relevant. Thatcher did basically nothing that was genuinely conservative, especially socially.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

The centre Right embraced Individualism Consumerism and Global Capitalism. They failed to conserve ANYTHING of traditional England and became the bulwark for Liberalism.

[@leefairfield7537]

This isn’t new, Hitchens has been saying it for years

[@MajesticDemonLord]

Before the lecture - I would have answered 'A Classical Liberal, that believes in the sovereignty and wisdom of the individual over the received wisdom from Whitehall' So, glad to know we agree.

[@bighands69]

There is no real term classical liberal. People started to use the term because socialists came along and started to call them self liberal. Today their favorite term is progressive.

[@leonardharris9930]

I first met and conversed with Margaret Thatcher in October 1969 whilst an under graduate student at the London School of Economics. Her commitment to individual liberty, democracy, free trade and the rule of law was evident from everything I heard her say that day, and on many other subsequent occassions. Her commitment to these libertarian values can also be seen in the way in which she campaigned as the Conservative candidate in the Dartford constituency in the 1950 General Election. Keith Joseph and others much later gave her the intellectual framework for the liberal concepts and values she already had from a young age.

[@egverlander]

LSE -- A commie stronghold disguised as socialist by its Frankfurt School professors and Fabian School founders. One of the early progenitors of today's Critical Race Theory and other viruses plaguing the land.

[@70AD-user45]

Margaret Thatcher graduated in chemistry, which I find an odd choice to make before going into politics. I studied chemistry and it was good to have a science graduate as PM, and she played a major part in helping to solve the problem and seeing the connection between the hole in the ozone layer and CFC's. Just the PM we need in the Covid era.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Conservatives embraced Individualism Consumerism and Global Capitalism and have completely failed to conserve ANYTHING of traditional England.

[@leonardharris9930]

@@egverlander Nonetheless there were plenty of academic staff and students back then who opposed socialist ideas vigorously. I was just one of many. Most of the more moderate socialists would always defend academic freedom, which is rarely the case now. I graduated from the LSE with a good Upper Second Honours degree by filling my examination papers with the ideas of Milton Friedman and his ilk. I was a free trade libertarian before attending the LSE, and even more so afterwards.

[@egverlander]

@@leonardharris9930 Well done. Probably a reflection of the values instilled in you by very good parents, and your natural, native intelligence. Btw: no need to be so defensive.

[@DS9TREK]

My first thought before watching is she was a liberal in the Gladstonian sense, not the modern usage of the word.

[@bighands69]

When people use the terms sometimes they mean socialist rather than somebody who was in pursuit of liberty.

[@kenelmtonkin1]

@@bighands69 Not in Australia. Liberal in Australia means liberty, freedom.

[@robinlillian9471]

Very impressed. So many new videos so quickly, and substantantive, too. Most channels that put out a lot of videos are largely click bait.

[@rachelruthfrankle3905]

Hi love your work and I love history. I’m so happy that you have decided to start a KZbin channel and I have been enjoying them. I enjoyed your recent video on Catherine Howard. It was interesting. One of my favourite historical figures are Mary Queen of Scots and the The Romanovs more specifically the last Tzar and his family. Please can you do a video on either topic please as I would like to hear your thoughts on these topics. Keep up the wonderful work you are doing as you helped me to become interested in history

[@jakublulek3261]

My great-grandfather, who knew both Churchill and Thatcher (he fought in WWII and after that, he lived in UK and was politically active since 1950s until communism was overthrown in his motherland Poland, so he returned), said that he admired Winston Churchill personally but never got behind his policies, and he sometimes hated Margaret Thatcher as a person but stood firm behind almost every policy she had set down. He was ardent Thatcherite until his death, and a great hero of mine.

[@bighands69]

Churchill was against the national health service as a concept as he understood that such a government finance system would fail. That was really his downfall in that he was against it but actually caught up in it politically. Churchill was also prone to making mistakes politically. He was a great leader in crisis but during peace times struggled to get his ideas across to people.

[@icedidi]

A remarkable man discussing a remarkable woman. 👌

[@seanmoran6510]

If you call destroying manufacturing and apprenticeships and putting 3million plus on the dole remarkable while increasing the power of the state and corporate power while reducing choice. The navy was much reduced after the falklands The miners who didn’t strike were betrayed Industry was sold off to foreign investors Utilities sold off Any form of social conservatism trashed Refused to see what the common market was Yep that’s pretty remarkable 🤷‍♂️ But I guess it was bound to happen due to mismanaged National Decline

[@seanmoran6510]

Did you delete my comment about 3 million plus unemployed etc ? If so that’s really sad and very illiberal Lol

[@70AD-user45]

Margaret Thatcher's biggest mistake was the Poll Tax which led to her downfall and resignation. That only happened due to mass non compliance. Goes to show people power can bring about change. Something which is sadly lacking today.

[@BlutoandCo]

@@seanmoran6510 Labour destroyed the UK, she was the answer. She turned the country around from the sick country of the EU to a power house of the EU. High cost and high wage of coal was what killed it off, Poland was selling coal at 5% of the cost of British coal, even the miners agreed thats what killed off the mines (and Labour closed more mines than the tories)

[@jpcoll2011]

I really enjoyed this. And as I am not quite the educated type, I would not have made the distinction between one of the greatest Conservative leaders we ever had and her being a liberal. Many thanks for this Mr Starkey.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

When Conservatives embrace Individualism Consumerism and Global Capitalism they end up not conserving anything of Britain. They become the bulwark for Liberalism.

[@jpcoll2011]

@@evolassunglasses4673 yep. A lot of Britain's industrial markets disappeared.

[@bighands69]

A liberal can still be a conservative. I think people are under the impression that a liberal is somebody who is liberal with ideas. Such as a person who is in favor of gay marriage may get labelled as a liberal when they may actually be in favor of a tyrannical government. The easiest way to understand in a loose and general way liberalism is to think of it in terms of Life, Liberty and Estate (not a perfect means).

[@jonathancarter1826]

Hypnotically brilliant as always

[@laurum1318]

Dr Starkey is here at his best. Period. He is himself and I love it more than the structured documentaries from the BBC.

[@paradox7358]

Our greatest post-war Prime Minister. Despite what some people think of her, she was clearly proud of her country. More than can be said for many politicians we've had since

[@thesmilinggun-knight9646]

As a Scot I can never like Thatcher for what did to my country but I can at least respect her as a leader who was both competent and had an iron will, which is more then anyone can say for her successors.

[@chrisreed5463]

Two great PMs of the 20th Century. Churchill and Thatcher. Which had the most positive long term impact is a finely balanced matter, I have no firm opinion either way. They were both great.

[@thesmilinggun-knight9646]

@@chrisreed5463 well Churchill did won the Second World War so I think we can say he had the longest positive impact.

[@wessexfox5197]

She destroyed our great industrial sector and made us a mediocre globalist nation dependent on garbage free trade deals. Thatcher herself is noted as saying her greatest achievement was and I quote “Tony Blair”! That’s right the shadow socialist who destroyed England and her ancient liberties and customs was enabled in his rise to power by Margaret Thatcher. She also wanted to get rid of the sacred right of people to rest, and if they chose pray, on a Sunday. Furthermore under her watch several key documents on elite pedophiles went “missing” despite the best efforts of decent people like Geoffrey Dickens (MP) to bring those people to light. She was only mildly socially conservative on some issues and even then wasted her later years on the whole section 28 stuff rather than reforming the declining morals of the heterosexual population. People liked her because credit cards took off like hot cakes and because she did the right to buy, probably one of the few good policies she had.

[@seanmoran6510]

@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 Read a book called the darkest days. It might help give you a different perspective about Churchill.

[@HotVoodooWitch]

We would call that thinking “classical liberalism” here. Thank you, Dr Starkey, for illustrating this.

[@bighands69]

Or what we should start doing is calling it liberalism and calling out socialists who pretend they are liberal.

[@sadwingsraging3044]

The best thing about the Iron Lady is how the little woke commies still look under their bed for her before cutting out the light.

[@lastunctives2095]

That's a hell of a smirk from Starkey in the thumb nail .

[@Maugirl2]

I am so grateful to you for doing these videos. I do feel that the fight back against modern wokery has begun and you are very much part of the fight for truth and freedom. thank you :)

[@clivebaxter6354]

Her right to buy policy did more to financially empower the working class than anything the opposition ever did.

[@The_New_IKB]

One Argentinian disliked this video!!!!

[@Horizon344]

She was the only Classical Liberal the Tories ever allowed in the Conservative Party to be P.M., & she only got there by pretending to be one of them until the mask came off in 1983.

[@seanmoran6510]

The Conservative party is a liberal stroke indifferent party 🤷‍♂️

[@DavidOatney]

I think it came off a little earlier than 1983...

[@evolassunglasses4673]

@@seanmoran6510 it's completely captured by international finance and the forces of open borders Globalisation.

[@bighands69]

A conservative can be a liberal. I think that people are confused as to what these things actually mean.

[@margyrowland]

You’re such an engaging story telling Mr Starkey.

[@BobbyC-be9vy]

What is the modern revisionist view of the closing of the mines, especially as those who supported the miners would today most likely be climate change warriors wanting coal to be banned?

[@70AD-user45]

Uneconomic mines that were subsidised by taxpayers to remain open, had to be closed. A much bigger issue was when Margaret Thatcher went way over the top with the introduction of the Poll Tax which forced her to resign.

[@clonie9963]

Was a globalist policy that no nation is to be energy independent. The miners said if the destroy us everybody will be next. They were right look at Britain now. Taxed and exploited by global corporations. Thatcher was a disaster for most people in Britain globalist agent.

[@BungleZippie]

Thatcher also voted pro-abortion and for the decriminalization of homosexuality. She becomes slightly reactive in policy later on but not fundamentally.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

The Conservatives are the bulwark of Liberalism. Global Capitalism is Woke.

[@Ferdinand314]

Pretty much the best opening sequence on YT! Totally captures Starkey's essence in a single measure of Beethoven.

[@DevonDandy]

I find that Dr Starkey is 100 % correct here. I lived through the Wilson and Callaghan Government's, and then the Thatcher years during which I was also a Magistrate. Despite the Conserative Party being thought of as tougher on crime, the ongoing liberasation of criminal justice carried on during the Thatcher years, and has continued to the point where the area where I live, which had a busy court house with four court rooms, now, no longer has a court house, Most of the laws which we halped to enforce are now simply igonred so a court house is redundant. There is no political party that is likely to reverse this process, there is no longer a 'fear of the conseqences, we slide towards a new form of anarchy, as a friend of mone puts it, " it's like the wild west out there" as he is once again the victiim of crime ( re labled as 'anti social behaviour" For all the many benefits of the Thatcher years, on this issue she was a liberal

[@Vintagevanessa99]

wonderful speaker I'm hooked I would love to hear an analysis on the Giffard family of Staffordshire in the Tudor Reign it would be really interesting

[@johnprice841]

Fantastic ! You have responded to the woke arrogance by creating your own (and our) Hyde Park Corner. We like your lectures. And get into as much of UK politics as you like. You don’t have to stand for parliament but they need to be shaken up.

[@DavidOatney]

I suppose the question of whether or not Margaret Thatcher was a liberal really depends upon what is meant by the word "liberal," and perhaps whether they intended meeting of the use of the word is in the classical or modern sense... However, I think it can be said that Margaret Thatcher believed in a limited state, in economic freedom as much as possible, and that it should not be the state's job to do for people what they can do for themselves. She will always be a controversial figure, but she changed the world, very literally.

[@richey4287]

David, I'm so glad I found this channel.

[@ianduncan7189]

Dear David, great to hear your appraisal of Mrs T, yes i believe she was a liberal focused on freedom of thought and deed and choice based on the free market. I am of an age that remembers the winter of discontent where the state effectively failed to up hold its contract of service with the population. However frequently the free market often fails in this regard also. It is good to hear once again your clarity of thought and expression.....freedom of thought, word and expression are so critical to our fabric of life in the UK.....so many have fought and died to maintain it.....KBO my friend.....many are listening to you despite the main stream public paid broadcasters very foolishly shunning your input..........best regards.

[@APBabyByU]

Thatcher was a liberalist on many aspects of Govt, not on all aspects of life, she was radical progressive on most aspects of commerce.. quite frankly the best post war leader ever.. The Lords and Monarchy would have been gone by now if she was still in power and the Snivel Service would firmly in their place..

[@Valencetheshireman927]

She wasn’t a republican so why would the monarchy be gone by now if she was still in power?

[@APBabyByU]

@@Valencetheshireman927 - As. Radical progressive.. reducing the power of the state was her mantra.. she culled the snivel service..so the direction of travel is to replace Lords with elected house.. it would make sense to change from constitutional monarchy at that point.. by mere logical progression a republic would be formed.. of course if she saw an opportunity to be voted in as 1st President.. she might have been persuaded..

[@Valencetheshireman927]

@@APBabyByU “ Reducing the power of the state” Ok, you can replace the lords with an elected house but that wouldn’t make it necessary to remove the monarchy. She wanted to weaken the power of the state but not take it away entirely. The monarchy is more like a check on the power of the elected head of government so she would have supported the monarchy not only from that perspective but also because she was more of a traditional conservative than a radical socialist. So she supported key British institutions like the monarchy.

[@DS9TREK]

Thatcher had too much respect for the concept of monarchy to abolish it. The House of Lords she probably wouldn't even gone as far as Blair's reforms. I mean, she took a peerage and seat in the Lord's. She obviously supported it to some degree.

[@APBabyByU]

@@DS9TREK - We are discussing what she would she would have done when in power… When power is gone.. it’s a different story.

[@jonnaylor3154]

If only we could vote the old Dragon back!!!!! I really do wonder what she would make of the crazy times that we now live in food for thought eh!!!

[@Maugirl2]

I doubt it would have got this bad if she had still been in charge :)

[@BobbyC-be9vy]

Can you imagine how the social media of today would react to a Margaret Thatcher and how the mainstream media would report it?

[@70AD-user45]

@@BobbyC-be9vy It would have been exactly the same way social media reported Trump. They would have gone hysterical/insane.

[@Happyheretic2308]

@@BobbyC-be9vy and they would have no weight at all, much like now. Why give credence to the outpourings of the insane?

[@ericadams3428]

A politician who was actually honest and meant what they said. There's not many of them about anywhere now

[@johnbull9195]

Was not Enoch Powell one of the people that influenced her towards free-market economics?

[@brendanbrown3100]

He was. Powell didn’t think she fully understood them.

[@ashn9172]

I love the intro to your videos!

[@ruthcollins2841]

I remember very well the awfulness of the Callaghan time. It seemed to me that whenever Labour got into parliament the country wilted, shrank and became one of high unemployment & debt. That is until the last 2 years under Conservatives with Johnson as leader. For me this country will be further in debt, and a totally changed one with the immigration & green ideologies that he seems to have adopted! I am ashamed I voted him in.

[@henridarocha606]

Dr Starkey, would you please give us your general comment on Enoch Powell? At least... Thank you very much.

[@jayturner3397]

Excellent article 👏 👍 👌

[@terryallen2374]

I David I am a big fan of your and would love the opportunity to meet you and just wondered if you are speaking at any events coming up I may attend.

[@lumpyfishgravy]

Love these videos, thank-you! Only one small flaw - your audio is well enough recorded but getting mangled somewhere before upload: there are audible artefacts. And since you are making a lasting speech-based record, I thought you should know.

[@paultaylor7059]

It has become perceived wisdom that victory in the Falklands conflict won Thatcher the '83 general election but she was aided by a much more useful asset - she was up against Michael Foot. Foot was, in appearance, the Corbyn of his day. Far, far more intelligent than Corbyn for sure but he usually looked scruffy, dishevelled and so hardly what one would like to elect to represent our country. He was also a bit bumbling in debate and was perceived by the public as someone more like an eccentric professor of English and not as a potential world leader with access to a nuclear arsenal. Perhaps the Falklands victory landed Thatcher a bigger majority and stronger mandate to push ahead with her opening up of the economy - big bang - but she was also fortunate in who opposed her, as she would also be in '87 when up against the angry windbag Neil Kinnock

[@seanfaherty]

I would say not. Being a little left of Attila the Hun does not make one a Liberal.

[@robinlillian9471]

Everything is evaluated in comparison to something else. Low only has meaning compared to high. So, yes, compared to an extremist authoritarian, she could be considered a liberal.

[@martygahan]

I was always a fan of Mrs Thatcher.

[@Happyheretic2308]

I still am. How much we need her now.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

She was a Globalist not a Nationalist. The centre Right embraced Individualism Consumerism and Global Capitalism and completely failed to conserve ANYTHING of traditional England.

[@bruh949]

What I find so interesting is that if the National Liberal Party never merged into the Conservative Party that both Margaret Thatcher and John Major would have likely ended up in that party instead. In fact I wish that were still a part today it was very large and good alternative to the tories especially back then where there was no DUP and the unionists were inside of the Conservative Party - but that we could use today Still Reform UK is the way to go and I will be voting them.

[@Vincent-dc6ku]

Love that intro, The Doctor has attitude😉

[@maolsheachlannoceallaigh4772]

I love these videos but I am too poor/miserly to join the Club!

[@henryviii6341]

YES Mrs T was a Libertarian. Same as Sir Winston Churchill and Benjamin Disraeli.

[@petah-peoplefortheendlesst4668]

It doesn't matter whether she was classical liberal, neo-liberal or conservative. The important thing is that she stood up to the trade union thugs that were trying to take the British government hostage and actually did something about the IRA terrorists. Her and Elizabeth I were living proof that some women actually can run the country well.

[@RussiaIsARiddle778]

What was the snide comment about Reagan’s mind? Was that during his presidency that you intended that remark? Of course he had dementia, early onset, but I don’t consider that a laughing matter so I thought I should ask.

[@jcfgh]

Thank you

[@simonhawker9277]

lets say i was lucky enough to take you out to lunch David, what do you like to eat ? where would we go and what would you have given we would likely talk about travel and history. mostly, very engaging and eloquent, thank you sir

[@hamentpatel7339]

I in part agree with you Dr David Starkey about Thatchers approach to liberalism and the vital point about forms of liberalism. I would however challange you to recognise the two faces of liberalism: economic and social where one does not automatically lead or follow the other which in the case of Thatcher overall must concede this is the case. Also with regards to HIV and AIDS her critiques would argue while there was a guarded recognised tolerance of such persons rather than social acceptance. Hemsn

[@homahak]

The unwarranted and snide snipe at Ronald Reagan made me sit up. Trying to repair some of the damage Dr Starkey?

[@dnstone1127]

The old patrician Tories don't exist anymore, WWI and mass democracy saw their demise, the Tories have been free market liberals ever since

[@stephenbelcher1935]

lol just lol, shakes head in disbelief and leaves

[@Alex_Plante]

The word "Liberal" has different meanings in different countries, and on the European continent has meaning opposite to what is meant by the word in the U.S.A. In the U.S.A., Liberals, especially economic Liberals, are similar to what moderate Social-Democrats are in Europe. Americans have had to invent a new word, "Libertarian", to describe what the word "Liberal" meant in the 19th Century, and what it still means in continental Europe and Latin America today.

[@bruh949]

Well the USA seems to think “liberal” is left wing even though it’s a centrist - centre right value but can also be just complete right wing. Overall liberalism is centrist like Whiggism and base centrism but certain types of liberalism are more right wing like Maggie and arguably his other Thatcherite successor (apart from the Europe issue although did defend the pound and anti-EU superstate) John Major.

[@sadwingsraging3044]

You do what you want with the word boot and bonnet. We will do what we want with the word liberal and truck.

[@kimberlyperrotis8962]

This is too modern for me, plus I’m American and don’t know much about her premiership, or current or recent party politics in the UK. Meanwhile, I’m enjoying your book, The Monarchy of England, Volume 1, The Beginnings. I was lucky and found a hardcover version, through Amazon.

[@lastunctives2095]

Does she pass the General De Gaulle test ? No she was too ordinary but neither does Marine Le Pen . It was Peter Hitchins who has recently become a De Gaulle fan boy - regretting the lack of a National figure .

[@bsport131]

If she was my kind of liberal

[@1526andrews]

She's a blend of Burkean Conservative and Gladstonian/classical Liberal.

[@gillespaling7039]

That’s a contradiction.

[@1526andrews]

@@gillespaling7039 I've always thought she definitely lent more towards classical liberalism, but she was an ardent monarchist and somewhat moralistic for example. Just a thought, I'm willing to be disproved

[@seanmoran6510]

She did nothing Burkean at all 🤦‍♂️

[@1526andrews]

@@seanmoran6510 I wasn't suggesting her policies were overtly Burkean, more so in her sensibilities. At the time adhering strictly to a Burkean mentality of "conserve" would have resulted in the continuation of failed policies that had characterised the preceding 30 years. However, I'm very willing to concede there may not be an iota of Burke if you'd care to elaborate.

[@CanadianMonarchist]

@@1526andrewsInterestingly that’s a good description of my own political convictions, and I love Thatcher.

[@raypurchase801]

Trouble is: "Liberal" can mean all things to all people.

[@willforest5302]

thatcher is a very interesting figure, its unfortunate so many of my peers hate her, i dont agree with everything she did but her legacy is one of healing what was considered the sick man of europe and for increasing personal freedom from government intervention

[@thesmilinggun-knight9646]

You peers wouldn’t happen to be scots and socialists or both by chance.

[@willforest5302]

@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 young northerner

[@thesmilinggun-knight9646]

@@willforest5302 ah r*tarded children you mean I see.

[@willforest5302]

@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 pretty much, most people I know my age I've talked about her with, know nothing that went on when she was PM, they just hear other people hate her and go along with it

[@egverlander]

To risk a cliche: You cannot make an omlette without breaking some eggs.

[@richardkeane895]

Yes she was.

[@kayedal-haddad]

She was a Neoliberal with Social Conservative values!

[@sirwinston2659]

Thatcher has many Conservative instincts, but was ultimately too ideological and as a result failed to defeat the new socialism within this country. Her apologists and her critics always get her wrong.

[@seanmoran6510]

So not much Conserving then ?

[@evolassunglasses4673]

The Conservatives are the bulwark for Liberalism. Never ever conserve ANYTHING.

[@andrewashdown3541]

Beethoven was a liberal - not Herr Thatchler

[@eliwhaley4804]

Of course she was

[@oldgreybeard2507]

Living in the far north of England (that's the part of England that england thinks is in Scotland) I watched the destruction of heavy industry, Engineering, Mining etc). I saw from the inside the 'spivs' (all be it in big cars and flash suits and southern accents) wheeling and dealing in the misery and remnants of a proud heritage. Thatcher will never be anything else but a (best not say here!). Of course whilst the small mining villages and working class areas exploded and imploded Thatcher had the foresight to replace those jobs with 21st century ones. Flexible working (i.e. pay them nowt on a zero hours contract so the CEO gets a million pound bonus). Financial Services jobs (i.e. to big to fail having marketed worthless derivatives so fill their pockets with taxpayers money). Déjà-vu the pandemic. Of course she was perfectly correct to remake the British economy. Just look at the mess Germany is in having retained its industrial base. And of course she gets a State Funeral (ah sorry not quite State)

[@CanadianMonarchist]

I would have said union leaders who went on strike at the drop of a hat did more to destroy British manufacturing than anything Thatcher did.

[@ceriannalflorencina8297]

No

[@jimm7181]

The falkans should never of happened .

[@chrisreed5463]

Yes The Argentinean's were wrong to invade.

[@1526andrews]

Why?

[@sumguy835]

Your right, with a homogeneous British society well established on the island the Argentinean's should have left well alone...

[@jimm7181]

The government should have not removed the permanent patrol , it saved money then cost lives

[@1526andrews]

@@jimm7181 ah of course, you're right.

[@balthazar4289]

He needs to take a Rennies before recording these videos

[@bieituns]

Haha I always thought you would be a cheap date. I will take you out to dinner, I hope you like Big Mac and fries.

[@Muonium1]

❤️⭐🗝️

[@JS-nj3vw]

We're reaching levels of boomerism that shouldn't be possible.

[@daisyroots8926]

I still don’t understand why she closed the coal mines though!!!!

[@70AD-user45]

They were uneconomic pits that were being subsidised by taxpayers to remain open. They had to close.

[@BlutoandCo]

They cost too much, the wages made the price of coal so high that when coal from Poland was 5% of the cost, it made sense to buy from them. Also dont forget, Labour closed more mines and turned more into private ownership so when they shut down they couldnt be blamed for it.

[@andym9571]

If you had lived through that time you would know that they were rarely working anyway...always on strike.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

@@70AD-user45 we then subsidised the North with tax payers money as they moved on to welfare.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

She was a Globalist not a Nationalist.

[@stephfoxwell4620]

Yes. A neo- liberal stooge.

[@lastunctives2095]

Does she pass the Oliver Cromwell test ? No - the last time we had a proper government of red line ideological National unity .

[@docm27]

Just toss aside section 28 as a distraction. I disagree with your flipancy.

[@Cotictimmy]

If you're paying £9000 per year for some idiot woke ideologue - you'd be far better off listening to this guy for free. Maybe read some of this books? (You could buy quite a lot of books for 9 Grand!)

[@Thurnmourer]

No, she was a Witch, duh.