Washington State's Sex Offenders Are Sent To This Island (HBO)

Twenty minutes off the Puget Sound coast is an island that was the home to a state penitentiary until it closed in 2011. Now, it is used as a facility for the civil commitment of the state’s most violent sex offenders.
Residents wind up on McNeil when their prison terms have ended but a judge deems them still too dangerous for society. They’re placed indefinitely in what’s known as civil commitment - where in theory they’ll be treated until they no longer pose a threat. This could be a month or it could be forever.
It’s not an island paradise but it’s not a prison. VICE New Tonight sees what life is like for the residents.
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[@SamianHQuazi]

So this is all just a show for "treatment" - pure window-dressing - because these people are never going to be let go free?

[@ew4206]

"It not an island paradise"?

[@Mthammere2010]

the problem with so called rehabilitation is that, criminals, are given not only ample time to adapt to anti-crime methods but to also educate fellow conspirators and improve their tactics. in eastern Europe, rapists like these used sleeping gases to facilitate their crimes. and you want to make a dude of that caliber a social worker?

[@Imadethisaccount]

It's def a prison. Quit lying

[@kevsowell]

it was a federal prison then a state corrections center and now sexual offenders ummm.... "camp"

[@salmaadan3553]

What I love about people is no matter the colour, gender or background, we all equally hate child abusers and rapists. There’s hope for society

[@Onyxoko]

Now if we ALL could equally hate white supremacism........oh!

[@gainzhurt3-6-9]

Except our world leaders, they're in on it.

[@aetiusv]

SkidUnit There is no mental health treatment for a stone cold man or women who purposely raped or molested a child. For all care, they can stay in jail.

[@gainzhurt3-6-9]

@@aetiusv yeah there is It's called a noose, or a guillotine, or a firing squad.

[@lowverte3693]

That's why most do less time then drug dealers the government is full of pedos

[@ishaggedyournan1660]

Why do sex offenders always look like sex offenders?💀😂

[@apoet7738]

Hmm I wonder why

[@ccarter509]

They don’t though.

[@GoochiGoblin]

@Israël Âme or they look like black rappers. R KELLY lol

[@SongSingsSoprano]

Because they're sex offenders 😂

[@rsohlich1]

@Israël Âme shhheeeeeettt

[@ace1disciplez]

I just hope more people realize how prevalent sexual abuse is. For every person that is open about being abused, there are probably hundreds that will take it to their graves

[@StraightFelon]

I’ve been to prison. Before prison I thought to be a pedophile was like to be into having sex with dogs, incredibly rare. There are SO MANY pedophiles in prison it’s insane, and those are just the ones that got caught. It’s a very underreported crime

[@abolisher]

Wow

[@NowayYeswayMmmHmm]

When I’ve mentioned my own abuse publicly, there’s always been people who message me privately and thank me for sharing and how they wish they could. It’s very prevalent.

[@annona718]

I'm happy to be open about it :))

[@worldisfilledb]

That’s on them

[@knmplans]

“Lies we tell ourselves to justify our actions” never have truer words been spoken. I was abused, I did not turn around and abuse others. People who use abuse as an excuse shouldn’t be let out. Predators harm. Innocents who have been abused strive to keep others safe.

[@codacreator6162]

No, everyone reacts differently to trauma. Some blame themselves and become self-destructive, others blame society and become anti-social, etc. it’s impossible to compare yourself and your situation to anyone else and theirs. That’s what gets up us to the point of believing mental illness is not real, or is self-inflicted. Pure ignorance. Do I agree that there are incurable illnesses amongst these “patients”? Absolutely. But committing them to a for-profit facility for “treatment” against their will and following the completion of the court ordered sentence for their crimes? I have a fundamental objection to that. If you want laws to lock these people up for life, then create those laws. Or, why not just start executing everyone who doesn’t conform to the current society? We can start by instituting a program of eugenics. But ask yourself this: where do we draw the line? Are you perfect enough to survive such a culling of the human race?

[@slimeyolo]

@@codacreator6162 preach

[@JS-hg4vj]

Everyone is different, basing your experience for your view points shows how close-minded you are. These were children's who committed sexual offenses that they learn from their abusers. It is normal to mimic bad behavior especially in youth adults and childrens who have not fully mature their brains yet. You should actually do research before calling people Predators. I DO NOT BELIEVE that a kid doing a sexual offense on a other kid is a predator. Perhaps you could example how two teenagers who have consent sexual relationships or sexting or in this case a 13 year old and his sister-in-law are some how Predators?

[@oldkingcrow777]

Their brains are miswired. Yes, some folks simply continue an abuse cycle, but the vast majority of people suffer from a brain issue where the sex/love wires are crossed. I can sympathize in that irs not their fault they were born that way, but when you make a decision to act on an unnatural (guess you could argue the brain wiring was *technically* natural since they were born with it 🙄) deviant desire that negatively impacts someone else's life, potentially a child's *entire* life, well it makes me seriously ponder thr concept of eugenics

[@anacom4238]

For those of us who've lived with super abusive people, we know how convincing their good and kind act can be. They can even BE good and kind, at times. Don't be swayed...All serial predators need to stay locked up, forever.

[@charleskuhn382]

One hour of individual therapy per month? That's very little

[@mydaan1]

Reyon88 lets do that to you when u are wrongfully accused or maybe we shouldnt?

[@kjul.]

I feel like the US is just giving them a life sentence, but don't want to make it seem like it, so they hide it using the term "therapy". One hour a month is obviously not a therapy at all.

[@PoliticalPlayer]

Reyon88 Except it isn't because you need to show beyond a shadow of a doubt that the person you're trying to murder is truly guilty, ie. legal fees. You know what would be cheaper? Actually give these people proper medical treatment and have universal access to therapy to prevent this from happening.

[@SNNetwork]

lmao thats what i was thinking WTF also the way she worded it, it seems like they are doing what 10minutes at a time?

[@mydaan1]

Star Splitter you could also educate youre population that abuse of any kind is wrong to the bone cause most abusers are also the victim so u should break the cycle

[@hydrobasil5020]

Even the sewing machine looked uncomfortable with Justin's answer.

[@zanzabar53]

I'm pretty sure they were sexual criminals too...

[@theworstactionhero9186]

That creepy fucking smile

[@rubygloom5794]

The way he smiled unsettled my soul.

[@Anonymous-zx3do]

Hahaha!!! Thanks I needed that.

[@effemm1399]

For real tho... what was that about lol and the grin

[@etk4423]

ADHD doesn't make you molest or hurt people. But antisocial disorder makes you feel like you can use people for your own gain or make people not "human" to you. Which gives them a sense of its ok to do what they do to others.

[@Illixmezgsvdudb]

We need this in all 50 states

[@ericdwhitmorec]

They didn't say that. They just said he had it

[@noneyabusiness9441]

As a victim of Pedophiles I have to say that I will never accept the excuse of I did it because it was done to me. B.S. that’s not an acceptable excuse.

[@2010RSHACKS]

It’s not even an excuse though it’s just an explanation. Until 25-26 years old the brain is still developing and can easily rationalize pretty much anything as being okay, especially when it was done to them.

[@dougtheviking6503]

@@2010RSHACKS whatever! . It was done to me . I knew it was wrong when it happened to me at 14 and at 54 any peado predator should be locked up or worse forever. You have no idea what damage it does . Stay strong Misty

[@IndigoBellyDance]

They choose to b victims and make excuses. They Chose to abuse children . Period End if story.

[@benjaminnewman7688]

Milo enjoyed it

[@Me97202]

There’s a big difference between an excuse and a reason or explanation. Sorry for what you experienced.

[@kanden27]

The interviewer’s face the entire time: ಠ_ಠ

[@brandonbrown6918]

Because this shid is BS, he probably thinking why these creeps get this special treatment. 😅

[@chedoodles]

lmao

[@Cjnw]

Kaomoji Normie

[@diabolivirtusen-tavares-ea4645]

😐

[@retr0robin177]

What other face he gonna do lol. He’s gonna accidentally laugh and then he looks psycho

[@aaustinhh3097]

Why they got the place decorated like an elementary school 🤦🏻‍♂️ Ganna keep the offenders thinking ab children

[@billieirish5451]

That's what I'm saying lmao

[@vladisergeiev7278]

@@billieirish5451 Nice to meet you, fellow Irishman.

[@ranger8155]

LMAO

[@byunhagui]

Lmaooo

[@brandonbrown6918]

Right !!

[@tamaralaber5010]

Being a victim of childhood sexual assault at ages 4 and 6, and again from 9-13, I think I'm crazy when a child molester says something I agree with and can respect them on a certain level. The first guy is nowhere close to being honest with himself yet. That second guy though, I respect his honesty and insight.

[@Leo-gq1yi]

Criminals guilty of horrible acts can seem so normal, it creeps me out, even though logically I know it makes sense.

[@bryanflake6858]

Yea I don't know about all that. But did you know most people who assault kids like this were actually assaulted them self at a young age. Just saying you are saying you are agreeing and respecting one of these monsters you should be care. Because it's not normal to agree with one of these people.

[@lauralishes1]

It's called marriage in Islam.

[@thetrainwreck1469]

you're just stupid if you think baby rapers can be fixed, or you're a pedophile too

[@Venti_the_bard]

@@lauralishes1 lmao

[@imawakening3387]

My grandma worked as a DOC Officer for over 32 years was a level 4 sex offender specialist and was in charge to decide how likely the inmates here were gonna reoffend when possibly looking at an eventual release date - basically she was the mental health and because she had so much experience sexual offense specialist that decided what they chances of being rehabilitated on release and how likely they are to reoffend ) her word on the court was the biggest argument for release or to keep them there longer she retired at 70 this year

[@crz-impact3677]

Ayyyy good for ya grandma on retirement

[@CT-1119]

I hope your grandma enjoys your retirement. You should visit her a lot in your free time!

[@imawakening3387]

@@CT-1119 I live with her ! She has raised everyone from mom and aunt to now my younger sisters I live with her even though moving out is available she deserves some time to herself to not worry about the little chores that having a house demand !

[@CT-1119]

@@imawakening3387 That sounds nice! Here's hoping your grandma makes it to 100, with a decent quality of life.

[@SylkaChan]

They're lucky they can have their own village, rather than returning home to continue persecution.

[@KingK9]

why do they make the classrooms look like an elementary school at an institution designed to stop child-sex abuse

[@rainbowgirlism]

I was wondering that.

[@brendaniebel1355]

Go figure, what do these people act like,. Children??????

[@Hwgt888]

@@brendaniebel1355 well I would assume most if not all are mentally stunted at the time of their abuse and really are fucked in the head.

[@worldbuilder3262]

Most jails and institutions look this way, mostly because it easy and cheap to build

[@malcolmcombs3639]

@@worldbuilder3262 I believe that when it was a bog standard penetentuary, there was onsite inferstructure for the familes of prison staff.

[@JasS19362]

It’s so troubling that the second guy is studying to be a social worker! He avoids playgrounds but is happy to be in an environment with vulnerable / potentially abused children and adults...?

[@coleengoodell7523]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@sammavacaist]

Perfect place to groom vulnerable victims. 😪

[@theftparrot5750]

I mean who better though he has been through the same thing and he wont be put with kids but he can help the adults get through their problems because he has those problems

[@JasS19362]

@@theftparrot5750 but surely child abuse is at its core preying on vulnerability and adults can be vulnerable too

[@mrgiggly21]

ig it’s like i’ve been thru it and ion want no one else to go thru it type of deal idk

[@SomeOne-zw6kh]

Wayne: I don't come to parks, because I know children are likely to be here, and I like to keep the risk factor down. Also Wayne: Studying to become a social worker.

[@Catlily5]

Not all social workers work with children but it still seems a bad idea.

[@Randomdude1979]

Not to mention there is also children behind him 7:45

[@peterwallis4288]

​@@Randomdude1979I'm assuming they suggested the interview location. Although goodness knows why.

[@cristineconnell7803]

Huge red flag. But will they disclose this to anyone he works with or over? Such should not become social workers!

[@deedubs602]

That was one creepy smile when Justin said he has different ways of handling his rejections and issues. Straight up lying he will be back…

[@tankinator451]

Alright we probably shouldn’t be letting Justin out any time soon... or ever. He clearly hasn’t changed at all

[@higherkite]

yup Lock ye children

[@bobsagget823]

congratulations, you listened to him speak for 10 seconds. your judgement means nothing. he did his time, there's literally nothing these people could say or do to convince you otherwise which is sad. some of them really won't have the desire or the means to do it again, locking them up deprives them of their human rights. but hey its cool, nobody cares.

[@danielbras5123]

bobsagget823 he could have said he wasn’t attracted to kid. He was talking fine then well apart at the question and was clearly lying

[@celestebrusciano3637]

Hide yo wife hide yo kids!

[@audranicolio]

@@bobsagget823 ding dong, your opinion is wrong.

[@ACHANNELOFGREATNESS]

I see why Justin still creepy af, lady said they get an hour of treatment a month and yet it’s a treatment center lol.

[@SGTWinchester85]

To be fair prolly not lot of ppl jumping at chance to work there so If one case worker did it that’s 160 a month if that’s all they did . I think if they are gonna force them after there sentence they need to be able to set them up for success .

[@jesselowe5346]

@@SGTWinchester85 you'd be surprised, there's a large subsection of people interested in social work who have a desire to work with the worst of the worst. More likely this place is like every other treatment center where they rake in as much government money as they can without actually doing anything

[@lindamitchell-fox1926]

Because it’s 99% group therapy. Not that I think that will chance sexual predator.

[@fredsmith-kingofthelunatic7810]

Ok, that's not what she said at all. They get 1 hr Private therapy and the rest of the time is group therapy.

[@kelleysharpe8913]

What treatment do you think is effective and foolproof for sex offenders? Death is the only one known to man. So if you know one, do tell.

[@ryleecox8595]

This is the first mini doc that has shook me in a while. HES STUDYING TO BE A SOCIAL WORKER?? Please tell me that won’t be allowed. All of these men are so manipulative. I can’t believe our legal system falls for it.

[@ericdwhitmorec]

The same way it's possible for them to become President

[@firasjaballi2484]

7:45 The contrast of children in the background and him talking gave me chills...

[@ccarter509]

Justin is a liar. He would definitely reoffend the second he got a chance.

[@Dylanbolton69]

When he gave that little grin at 5:09 I knew I didn’t trust him

[@wallec4140]

Body language tells all!

[@SongSingsSoprano]

Exactly 💯

[@christinakaur8766]

I used to work at a residential centre for sex offenders and they are the most manipulative people I've ever worked with. I could easily see Justin was working the interviewer.

[@icey984]

It's all a song and dance. To get out

[@niftythelynx]

It's not a prison... But you can't leave

[@blackham7]

NiftyTheLynx That's how Legal Crooks and Corrupt people live with themselves they don't call it a prison so they can justify it in their head.

[@aptate1988]

NiftyTheLynx 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@WillyWillis1965]

Exactly. Seems like, and looks like a prison to me.

[@WillyWillis1965]

Lets get this straight....20 foot tall razor wire perimeter, they give them rooms that look like prison cells....you cant leave. They throw some couches in the day room and call it "civil confinement"......are you buyin' this? Cause Im not.

[@jcp1756]

Involuntary residential assistance

[@oooKsiu]

Justin is straight up lying, you can see he’s trying not to smile when asked whether he’s still got fantasies about children. What a monster.

[@Davest420]

That first guy was lying you could tell just by the way he was answering. I’ve been sober for four years and I don’t really ever get tempted to drink but I’m always cautious about the environment I put myself into and the fact that when you’re an alcoholic you’re always an alcoholic. I can say that chances are I won’t ever drink again. I’ve been through some of the toughest years of my life the past four years, but through it all I didn’t relapse and I didn’t even really think about drinking. But there is always the possibility.

[@kendigjl]

You seem like you're doing well. Have considered celebrating with a nice drink? That's what my brain would tell me whenever I would try to quit smoking. "Hey, you know what? If you're able to stop smoking for a month, then you're not really addicted. So go ahead! Have a cigarette!" Next thing you know, I'm smoking again.

[@Davest420]

@@kendigjl hahahaha ya for me there is no one drink. I would be in a hotel blacked out until I died I’m sure.

[@otterwoods8881]

"Group therapy" looks more like second grade class project.

[@ckwing8231]

I feel there is no rehabilitation for these people.

[@mattsupertramp6506]

Yep that's what group therapy looks like

[@otterwoods8881]

@@ckwing8231 maybe but we cant really know unless they actually try to rehabilitate them.

[@KindaSemiCompetent]

Layla Williams Research has shown that therapy reduces rates of reoffense.

[@anonUK]

@@KindaSemiCompetent As does sticking them on an island and leaving them there.

[@thecaramelcasanova2123]

His reaction is sickening. He knows damn well he'll offend again

[@tyrjohanson5658]

They all do and they all will given a chance

[@just82much72]

Right? It's a guarantee.

[@miguelva3771]

@@tyrjohanson5658 Body language doesn't lie!

[@headinthecloudsagain1735]

Thor Johanson not all sex offenders offend again the reason why you hear about all these sex offenders offending again is because there offending again think about it why would you hear about sex offenders not offending again ?

[@zebrasnot6819]

@@headinthecloudsagain1735 the ones you don't hear about never get caught again. They now know how not to

[@EM2theBee]

Everytime I hear a child abuser say they've had to learn to forgive themselves, it makes me angry. Only after you have the forgiveness of every one of the children you've abused, can you begin to forgive yourself.

[@Natheena95]

I say this not to take away from how horrid child abuse is... The only person you can completely control is yourself. I say that to say you have no control over whether or not someone forgives you. I 100% believe you have people who have done horrendous things that have recognized their atrocities and repented. Those same individuals have no control on whether or not the people they hurt forgives them or not. Therefore they 100% can forgive themselves before their victims do. You don't need the forgiveness of others in order to begin your own personal transformation, repentance, and healing. I can understand feeling like a child abuser is just trying to receive empathy by saying "they've had to learn to forgive themselves" this is why I specify the above for only those who have genuine remorse for what they've done not those just saying it for show.

[@EM2theBee]

@@Natheena95 forgiveness isn't for the other person, forgiveness is so someone can let go and move forward. My personal definition of forgiveness is letting go of the idea that the past can be anything different than it was. When the abused can let go of the past and move forward, the abuser can then let go and move forward. That's my take.

[@LunarSkittles]

There is one of these facilities in my state. I agree with the public defender; if we want to lock people up beyond their sentence, then just change the laws so that sex offenders get longer sentences. Arbitrarily locking them up longer after they've served their time just seems strange. We don't retroactively keep people convicted of murder extra because we feel like it. How is this different?

[@bloodspartan300]

Hypocrisy is how

[@DarkMonster771]

Whats the difference it would cost the same amount of tax payers money no matter what so why change it?

[@LunarSkittles]

@@DarkMonster771 Because it isn't about money, it's about due process. If your employer hired you to do 8 hours of work for a set amount of pay, and then decided that they wanted you to stay a few more hours afterwards to do more work for the same pay, you'd cry bullshit. This is the same. If the punishment for a crime is 8 years, and 8 years are served without issue, then the debt to society is paid, full and clear. Keeping them locked up longer just because has no basis in justice.

[@MeatCatCheesyBlaster]

Love how they draw a shape of a kid on the wall to manage their feelings

[@G_xx_]

Yo that was weird as hell. Ironically, it kind of looked like one of those "where did he touch you dolls" too 🤣

[@kendraheart6709]

Yeah I was wondering why it looked like a grade school on the inside....

[@unexpectedvixen5685]

This place seems like a bunch of kindergarten teachers are running it

[@hectormendoza5660]

Hahahahahaha

[@sorryi6685]

They should be allowed to watch anime

[@coldsmoker9387]

That bald guy definitely gives of a bad vibe I wouldn't let him out

[@dopamine-bandit]

He is definitely bullshitting, those thoughts don't just go away

[@Tombradyjockstrap]

@@dopamine-bandit we all have crazy thoughts about things but it’s not our own doing unless we act on them

[@assonance9057]

@@dopamine-bandit yeah his body language showed immensely bullshit

[@brycedevlin5349]

@@Tombradyjockstrap idk I don’t think of kids below my age

[@implodingfruitz8093]

It did say he had ADHD and some sort of antisocial personality disorder. It's up to the professionals to determine if his desires are gone, your opinion is not one who knows him

[@learninglife38]

All sex offenders should automatically receive the death penalty!

[@lasarus7212]

No

[@andyhoms2001]

The guy in the suit gives me the creeps. My gut is telling me that he's going to do it again.

[@JC-uf1gv]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/epmvlWhqqbaDeKc - they are being released

[@QuiChiYang2]

Never close down that facility. That's one of those forever jobs.

[@bobsagget823]

forever waste of time and resources

[@sirsupersoaker7540]

false. sex offenders should only be job security for a hangman and gallows.

[@yaboy2288]

rather them in there indefinitely than a set sentence which they'd get in prison.

[@DemonMaldito1]

He's now a slave for a cult, he changed indeed but no cuz he wanted or by Holy Spirit but Reprogrammed by Satanists.

[@DBZluvz]

that's probably why they only get therapy for an hour per month! so by the time they've racked up enough therapy points (or whatever they use) or completed the course several decades would've passed so they're either too old to hurt a child or on deaths door. i hope they never close! and many more states need to follow suite and find or create their own offender island and completely drain our society of these monsters so we can focus on all the other social evil's we face each day.

[@TheDzavala85]

I can respect Wayne because he's straight up and is like I'm going to stay away. But Justin is just straight lying.

[@kiral9201]

I can see why he was released. He gave a straight up "there's always a risk, so I avoid the situation altogether" instead of Justin's beating around the bush manipulation

[@riseoverhere3054]

Those dark thoughts are hard to get rid off.

[@riseoverhere3054]

@Tom Jody well if they were young and intervened early then they would have got rid of those thoughts. Sadly once your older and didn’t get an intervention it gets harder to get rid of those thoughts.

[@sese6227]

@@riseoverhere3054 Are there studies to back that up? I'm curious as to how young someone would have to be, for intervention to work, given they're sexually attracted to children. The amount of child preds who reoffend is staggering & there has been very little evidence to point to rehabilitation working. Idk, I'm very skeptical because if it doesn't work & the professionals make the wrong call, then it's children who pay the ultimate price.

[@riseoverhere3054]

@@sese6227 I heard that people develop these sick fantasies in their teens like 14 to 16 so if they got intervention in those ages then they would be able to get treatment about how to manage those urges and not do anything illegal. Is there a cure for this sickness no but treatment will help so that they don’t offend.

[@theogrant528]

So all I'm hearing is life sentences for sex offenders

[@ericstolze8925]

“Up to an hour of individual therapy a month” seriously?

[@landontaylor4485]

I agree with the public defender. Just admit we want life sentences for these monsters

[@mithrandrilltharkun6486]

You realize the public defender was basically saying that society doesn't want life sentences for these people so these facilities are ludicrously illegal.

[@landontaylor4485]

@@mithrandrilltharkun6486 And? I won’t EVER she’s a tear for anyone who hurt children.... I believe we should lock them up forever! Their victims are serving life

[@ncmariofan3605]

Yet, non-violent pot smokers are getting life sentences 😒

[@jonathanyates5198]

@Darla Ward not everyone reoffends

[@gradymalachowski2936]

Politicians will never allow that because many of them are sex offenders.

[@worldsentertainment1713]

How tf are they gonna let him work as a social worker, getting close to kids.

[@edenfowkes7706]

They don’t always work with kids, it can be any ages?

[@mindysoccerfan]

Not even half of social work jobs are related to working with kids and he would be disqualified based on a simple background check. He could work with parolees, in jails , with homeless men , with sex offenders, with addicts etc etc

[@fernandocrustacean]

Yeah I don’t get it either. He shouldn’t get past any criminal record checks with jobs.

[@citizenkiwi5548]

yeah it's not a very good idea those evil fuckeris should go get brutally tortured

[@bradybailey2711]

@George Blabbermouth not necessarily. People can change, and it seems most have forgot that.

[@dhambone825919]

It's easy to take responsibility while incarcerated. You may truly believe you've changed. Until you get out and you're not being watched over it becomes easy to fall back into old habits

[@DarkMonster771]

Yup it's like drug addicts and alcoholics in rehab. These people are absolutely no different!

[@galaxymist7396]

Justin is 28 but looks 38

[@jjunit207]

no way is he 28!

[@fluffysnatch4689]

I was going to say he looks like mid-40's, at least.

[@MarttyB]

How would he know he wouldn't have urges when there are no kids there? When your addiction is in front of you the weakness begins.

[@BasicTruth1109]

Galaxy Mist that guy cannot be 28 years old!! Also the second man, the older guy is going to reoffend to. For him to say that he thought that what he was doing out of love, shows that he has the same mentality that he had prior to prison

[@lillymai2428]

Did the crime at 13, 5 years in prison, and 10 years there makes 28. Unless they didn't explain it properly hm and he was arrested later on.

[@alexhalbleib2398]

The inside of the place almost seems like its supposed to be day care lol

[@Benjiha]

Its not supposed to be like a prison but rather a place to help them.

[@alexhalbleib2398]

I know but the billboard with the stars with feelings and the tree ect.. literally out of a kindergarten classroom

[@jamesmorris911]

Something is definitely off about this place...

[@parkerjeans5777]

It's like they want them to be in a kid environment thinking about kids

[@jamesm9528]

Because it is these people have slow Developmental and social skills.

[@BluePhoenix2013]

I have adhd & autism but I've NEVER thought about harming a child so plz don't use that as an excuse!!

[@LAPDDetFrost]

I live in Washington, and what messes with my mind is that in our school we have the same chargers hanging from the ceiling as they do in the carpentry room at McNeil island.

[@holly4239]

Justin's smile after that sentence at 5:06 is particually terrifying... Like dude... What are the different ways? lmao

[@latenight6750]

seem like he had to search for the answer in his head hence why he was just staring not talking..

[@Aquablue62]

@Amir Babs he does not care about what he’s done. They said he has ASPD so he has no empathy for other people. I think he’s just trying to manipulate the interview into believing that he’s a good guy when in reality he isnt

[@N7Gambler]

@Amir Babs he's counting on you believing that so he can take advantage of you. They know ur gonna pity em and let em get close.

[@alexcisneros2980]

Jesus that scared TF out of me. He was diagnosed with aspd so one can assume he really was smiling but remembered he shouldn't be. Fking creep

[@yurilopes420]

psychopath

[@FinickyGreek]

Justin has learned to play the game and tell them what they want to hear. I don't believe a word he says.

[@tysonprior2587]

The look on his face when asked if he still had feelings about children was chilling!!🤢🤮

[@shaheedharun445]

He was certainly much more convincing than the 2nd guy

[@TheColosiss]

In my perfect world, those deemed this violent would be thrown in an electric chair...

[@MenelikTheFirst]

0:14 Vagrant Holiday giggling.

[@cicada300]

None of the guys they interviewed seemed like they actually internalize or care about the harm they committed against their victims. Rather, it just sounded like they were parroting things that they think their parole officers would want to hear. Ex: Justin gets emotional when recounting HIS abuse, but as soon as he begins to talk about his crime, he stops and begins to focus on himself (how he has "changed"and how he forgives "himself"). In addition, the language both Justin and the man at the end use when the interviewer addresses their crimes is dismissive. They avoid being explicit or direct.

[@nonyobussiness3440]

cicada300 he has anti personality disorder so it will always be about him

[@bornfree8073]

@@nonyobussiness3440 keep his ass locked up then

[@callum9999]

You make no sense whatsoever... If they were "parroting things that they think their parole officers would want to hear" then they would be doing exactly what you're whinging they aren't doing...

[@LuisReyes92]

And then goes as far as saying he needs to leave a legacy as if he was some sort of hero that's fighting for the betterment of humanity and is more concerned with his VICTIMS having a good image about him because right now they have one of a backstabbing piece of shit family member who took advantage of the trust he held as an adult sibling to younger family members and would of actually been the best candidate for taking care of his siblings and protecting them from abuse of this kind given the fact that he had already gone through it and would of had a clear understanding of just how much an experience of that sort could harm a someone let alone a child and if it makes a grown man so many years later choke up seconds into the matter how couldn't you just have a heart a soul a bit of compassion and not rob an innocent child of their innocence?

[@christopherrogers6194]

Ok Dr. Phil. Way to diagnose someone never having met them fucktard.

[@abigale3629]

Just imagine what the victims are feeling everyday. They constantly have these monsters in their minds knowing that they were being used and abused at one point in their lives. I pray for the victims.

[@bobsagget823]

some of them think its hot

[@abigale3629]

bobsagget823 I don’t think any CHILD thought that it was hot for them to be molested or raped. You’re absolutely disgusting for even thinking that.

[@Drewshawn9]

It sticks with us but doesn’t really affect how most people think

[@hangman9280]

bobsagget823 bruh

[@lorrainehilgendorf4673]

I don't call selfish a victim I am a Survivor ... Please read my comment ....

[@smashandburn1]

One hour of individually therapy a month seems like..... Not enough.

[@Catlily5]

Plus group therapy.

[@luccaoliva351]

McNeil island was one of the 3 first federal prisons in us together with Leavenworth and Atlanta , it became a state facility in the 80s , some famous names Robert Strauss AKA “ the birdman of Alcatraz “ , Mickey Cohen , Alvin Creepy Crampus and Charles Manson

[@stewpidasso3910]

5:20 he definitely still has those urges he ain't fooling anyone. And I'm not even a professional

[@Pontoondude]

looked like he just orgasmed when he as asked if he had those feelings

[@jean-luceyesofyoureyes5502]

Scary dude

[@Sekkzc]

im not a weeb proven by who?

[@shmoodgang2887]

lmao i bet you do to

[@nevergiveupnevergivein7655]

Sounds like you have personal experience then.

[@aj9530]

One google search and I found all of Justin’s info. He’s still at McNeil Island... *Thank God*

[@DetroitFettyghost]

Indeed.

[@brett8460]

they don't have a release date so why wouldn't he still be there?

[@f3v060]

@@brett8460 Yea ig

[@f3v060]

@@DetroitFettyghost My dumb self read that as “indeeded”.

[@lisannanicorobin8783]

@@brett8460 he said he would be out later that year

[@nickjones6747]

There are some things that are unforgivable and this is one of them. There is so much open land in Montana that a place like this but on a huge scale could be built 100’s of miles away from normal citizens. They do their time in an actual prison like these guys. Once they are done they have a choice to stay in prison or go here. This would go for any felony crime against children. You build it like a normal city they can earn money have apartments and can have visitors. I would say they can marry each other if they want but they NEVER GET OUT!!!!

[@SuperMissblueeyes]

I totally agree with you.

[@Blanksmithy123]

Terrible idea… what do you do about possible children? Forced sterilization?

[@MysonEggAndHisbrotherCheese]

@@Blanksmithy123 Yeap, great idea.

[@Blanksmithy123]

@@MysonEggAndHisbrotherCheese unconstitutional 🤷‍♂️

[@MysonEggAndHisbrotherCheese]

@@Blanksmithy123 Nobody cares

[@caseymajor4803]

For a second he looked like he was waiting for Chris Hanson to walk out

[@codyshepard5288]

No urges towards children until he has a child in a vulnerable situation

[@nicksomebody2300]

@Eye Yam Sofa King Stew Paid 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 im dead

[@rachelrxoxoxo1263]

Cody Shepard it’s true and scary

[@rachelrxoxoxo1263]

The thing is it’s not worth letting them out to risk it ....

[@bonnie3232]

Exactly

[@elidiaguzman8765]

The long exhale and his eyes leaving his body made me 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@ROCdevelopments]

"You could go out by dying" well... That kind of is the case in all places of confinement.

[@Alejandro-te2nt]

this body is a confinement. death is the only escape.

[@madscientistshusta]

צאַר האָלי shalom brother

[@TrollHiddenCave]

Not if the Ghostbusters catch you then your Forever trapped if you think about it the Ghostbusters are fucking evil they're trapping Souls indefinitely

[@Callie_Castle]

“I’ve been in hell long enough to know that there is no such thing as redemption. There are only promises and bargains and tricks we play on ourselves to make us believe that we’re good people.” Watching clips like this makes me believe this more and more.

[@rreptile9252]

“Now I have different ways of dealing with them 😊 - 😐” hahaha

[@Karma0777]

They all monsters. No forgivness for touching a child.

[@helenaquinn7480]

They could've been wrongfully accused...

[@rsohlich1]

*They are all

[@helenaquinn7480]

@@rsohlich1 Karen!

[@hopebachman6356]

@@rsohlich1 did u not read anything? im a survivor yet i can still understand the human pysche

[@88osprey]

Helena Quinn right... you know that’s actually pretty uncommon. The only reason you believe it’s common is because the few that are truly innocent have been sensationalized in the media. Far far more guilty walk free than innocent convicted.

[@singahsung712]

None of them should ever be released.

[@MoonlightGrahamCracker]

Every state should have civil commitment “facilities” like this.

[@jonathanbeck7329]

Why does their therapy room look like a kindergarden class??

[@vladisergeiev7278]

You know why...

[@carstenpfundt]

Because It comes back to the basic values of human psychology

[@gregfalco4528]

Holy Sh*t....I've told people about my idea for Pedo Island for years. Didn't know it was a real place.

[@agnesmarucio4846]

THIS HOLY S--- WORD IS BLASPHEMY ONLY GOD IS HOLY HOW CAN YOU USE THESE TWO WORD TOGETHER!!

[@bobby2pistolz854]

@@agnesmarucio4846 Holy shit. GOD DAMN! God doesn't exist. If he does, he is sick in the head for allowing thousands of children to be raped every year. If a god created us, surely he would protect those who cant defend themselves? The only answer you people have for that question is "life is a test." God allows millions to die of malnutrition, and murder every year. Even those who follow him dearly when they have nothing in life.

[@nightrider1984]

Greg Falco why protect them from the real convicts

[@gregfalco4528]

@@nightrider1984 They already get protection, it's called protective custody. And we're talking about what happens when they get out. Would you want them living in the same town as your kids?

[@gladiator8325]

All prisoners should be on an island

[@uruzchubun8081]

2:00 his personal preference slipped out there😂😂

[@mallorybarnosky7628]

Wayne studying to become a social worker is very unsettling

[@USERKINGING]

Justin is anti social (personality disorder), he’s very dangerous and should never getting out. You see how he clammed up when asked about children

[@sidjtd]

Rumi Q I’m not defending the guy and certainly not his behavior. I am not morally offended at the option of him being locked up for life. While that scene was incredibly uncomfortable, it’s still open to interpretation and it’s possible he simply just doesn’t have a good answer that he can self-manage his urges. Maybe he can’t. Maybe he can. But the video footage is not enough to conclude. Maybe all the human attention isn’t enough to conclude.

[@jamestown8398]

Normally I'd say that child molesters should be executed, but Justin was just a child and an abuse victim himself. That doesn't excuse him, not at all, but it's something to consider.

[@callum9999]

@Dokkasan Complete and utter rubbish like this demonstrates perfectly why you are not a psychologist and how you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about. Morons like you are precisely why countries like the US have enormous problems in the criminal justice system with absurdly high levels of cruel incarceration. Not only do you pipe up masquerading your (ridiculously basic - did you learn that in a Simpsons episode?) knee-jerk assumptions as fact, you feel like you're able to make a judgement on how long someone should be in jail based on watching a minute of video footage.

[@YourAssAintSafe]

@@callum9999 and u r one tell us what u see professor

[@ashutoshpatil2515]

That is because there is no right answer to that question. Can you honestly answer that question yourself? Everyone has perverted thoughts but very few act on them.

[@winstonsmith3696]

Justin likes to decorate because it attracts children.

[@janetteesther]

He will do it again

[@ibrahimabdullah129]

Needs to be locked up, he bloody has those urges alright

[@brando36922]

Plus the dressing in a suit is another front just like the decorations..

[@winstonsmith3696]

And asking kids if they want to see his sack

[@FaithandNova]

That's correct

[@certaintraveler8284]

First lines: "and this is the only way on and off the island?" "yup" vagrant holiday and a fucking kayak: lol

[@andrewperez3849]

“But now I have different ways of dealing with them (creepy smile)” dude wtf don’t release that guy

[@FlipNasty1]

"But now I have different ways of dealing with them" * insert fake creepy smile*

[@westsidetinywinos644]

Shane Daniel he’s lying hella bad he’s a chomo for life

[@Paul-ou1rx]

Or a naturally creepy smile wrapped in platitudes.

[@draege626]

Yeah that fake smile is so more telling as is the long pause.

[@dusttodust1522]

Yea, you saw that to huh? Kind of a Freudian slip.

[@Flip495]

Yea he'll forever be a creep

[@nickakers7985]

I honestly believe the second guy more than the first one simply because he admits that there’s always a chance that he may be tempted, but he take steps to avoid that temptation.

[@joemurphy9549]

Yes, I thought so too

[@rhondamcbath6279]

Only because of the lock & key method is why!! No hope for sick minds such as these, perverts. Imagine if you can, that these are only the ones who've been caught, thousands upon thousands that roam our streets every single day that are severely damaging our innocent children..."GAWD" HELP KEEP THESE IMMORAL SICKO'S AWAY FROM OUR INNOCENT CHILDREN 😭😭😭

[@JosedeJezeus]

Removal of their testicles must be mandatory.

[@renatayuuki5705]

Like a rehabed drug addict staying away from alcohol/drugs

[@thetrainwreck1469]

They are just repeating the words you want to hear.

[@rico879]

This show could've benefit from some Sound post, to hear the dialogue better. As always, great journalism by Vice news!

[@sharonrigs7999]

That island should suddenly be turned into an artillery range

[@nashthomas5271]

Justin's trigger word of the day "children"

[@stijnvandeven9770]

"Up to an hour of individual therapy a month" Shouldn't be a surprise it doesn't work by giving them the bare minimum

[@joegreen8248]

That's why they stay for life . Get it now

[@ctxx24]

@@joegreen8248 If they’ve never even tried real rehabilitation in this country (which they don’t do) then how the hell would you know if it works or not lmao

[@shawntrellstark8853]

lmao he was thinking bout children during that long pause

[@MH-nc5jd]

"up to a hour of one on one treatment a month"... 😂..

[@DevDabs420Official]

So "Justin " did whats called dupers delight, where the duper believes themselves so much they crack a quick smile and then immediately goes back to normal.

[@PanicGiraffe]

I saw that too.

[@joemurphy9549]

Well observed. I agree.

[@gswdeclan]

6:50 studying to be a social worker? Good lord, hopefully his background precludes him from actually being a social worker.

[@MrJimheeren]

Probably social work in prisons or something like that

[@TheMartyandy]

That depends on what kind of social work he goes in to. Obviously if he's going to work with families, he won't be allowed to. However if he's going in to social work to help drug addicts, work at prisons, or even work with sex offenders, there's no reason to not let him.

[@TheMartyandy]

@A Cool Million I fear you don't fully comprehend what a sex offender is.

[@kelseyhorton8514]

He will never gain a license, but can study and gain a degree, if he can find a practicum placement (he probably won't). He could work an unlicensed position, I'm just not sure who would hire him, huge liability and ethical concern.

[@Ikajo]

@A Cool Million The most common sex offenders are the ones never seeing a day in prison. Majority of all sex crimes are committed indoors by a person the victim knows and is in the same age bracket as.

[@CuongNguyen-xf4gi]

Justin doesn’t think about until he sees little children again

[@bambilackner]

How can a sex offender be a social worker?

[@charile]

An hour a month for a treatment program? And they're confined here? Crazy

[@okay7321]

5:18 Reporter: So does that mean you still have desires about children?? Inmate: Well no... No. (Pauses. Starts to have some desires about children.)

[@mikejackson7881]

🤢🤮

[@nastyrex4302]

I saw that and thought "That right there is a man that still desires children"

[@waynemcdaniel6550]

@kaykay69 Trump still beats Obama.

[@Anonymous-zx3do]

Yeah, he did! Just the mention of the words children and desire sent him to a bad bad place.

[@Anonymous-zx3do]

@@waynemcdaniel6550 find another place to play politics, please!

[@ianreynolds4150]

The 2nd guy seems like he’s more honest whereas the first guy gives me chills. If the data reveals that people like this can be reformed in future then I’d say reintegration programs are good.

[@greatninja2590]

Pretty sure data in European countries were the prison is all about reform has the data but for some reason America like it if they reoffend cause there’s money in building prison and managing them. Just reforming those related too drugs will really help reduce crime rate but nah.

[@ianreynolds4150]

@@greatninja2590 yeah I know that as a general study but a specified study of sex offenders show that violent ones continue to offend even in places with the best criminal reform. That being said there is very little study to begin with so there’s room for other tests.

[@ianreynolds4150]

@Paul Master G well if that’s the case then rehabilitating the non violent offenders seems like a good start. Preferably rehabilitative justice would be the best route.

[@rojamillerover]

Reintegration far away from people yessss

[@loumorningstar7709]

Question. Can you turn a gay person straight?

[@nmagwood]

Sent to an island lol exile island. I don't know why you asking me all of this I can tell you're a therapist! -baldbeaverhunter

[@mystysenchantedeats]

Remember A Clockwork Orange? The treatment he went through to “cure” his evil?

[@rootfish2671]

The Ludovico Technique

[@mystysenchantedeats]

@@rootfish2671 YES! That’s it

[@onedropmtg6038]

The fact that a sex offender is even allowed to think about becoming a social worker disgusts me on so many levels.

[@zjones9876]

The fact that some people believe you can never change and go on to live a positive life even after doing something terrible disgusts me on so many levels.

[@koyote2362]

@@zjones9876 boy no zex offender should be a social worker ..you dam goof ball

[@brittanyritenour4695]

When I see people fighting so hard for victims and then threatening the sex offenders. I think to yourself your a hypocrite. Some of these offenders were once victims of sexual abuse themselves such as the person I know personally. Was once a victim themselves and never got treatment for it but growing up never allowed to talk about it. People hush sexually problems. Eventually this victim started seeking the same attention as he did as a child because that was the only kind of love he knew. Working with this person he has learned to understand his patterns to understand his patterns was to seek love through the way he was abused and has become a better person and understands. Making their life better to deal and heal with the abuse they faced as a child. Now this person is a monster but was the victim that never got any help. This monster was once the victim your fighting for but why did he never get help for it? No one fought for his innocence. When I look at his child picture. That voice was never heard. Abuse affects people mentally. Being forced to hush because no one wants to deal with it. Some of these monsters we are talking about were once child victims and the person I know was. Barely 18. I care about this person and I know in this persons eyes you can see the abuse still lingering on. The pain of all the years suffering with a death sentence as a child and now getting another death sentence as an adult from the chance of being understood, heal hidden wounds, creating a happy chance at life, and getting a chance to be truly loved. Has been stripped from this person by those who are hardly believing that they are protecting victims. He was a victim. They aren’t trying to prevent. They aren’t studying it and people who work with sex offenders don’t see the same things the public is seeing. These aren’t all monsters. Many of them make a mistake and aren’t even sex offenders by nature at all and others have struggles that need help. They can’t find anyway to seek help. His voice of the victim he was , was never heard. Now he is the monster you want to destroy and the victim you want to fight for. Where is the justice for this victim. There is none, a child’s voice that was never heard. We forgot about him. His abuse was never heard and his story will never be told. Yet it lives one. In loving arms, one person loves him. Someone cherishes this person and that’s all the justice I need.

[@brittanyritenour4695]

@@zjones9876your so wrong. I have someone in my life he has changed, and I love this person. I’ll never throw this person away like the way society has. A son, a grandson, a husband, a father, a brother and a loved person who is special to me. Is just nothing but a trashed stranger to you.

[@zjones9876]

@@brittanyritenour4695 umm I think you are actually agreeing with me but thank you!

[@tompeled6193]

8:08 "Even if serial child molesters can change, it will take a lot to convince the public that they are anything but monsters." The comments section proves it.

[@brandonchapman4922]

They're still people. No matter what they did.

[@canyounot313]

Brandon Chapman Hmm well let’s not oversimplify complex matters that you clearly don’t understand or won’t understand...these people are monsters whether you like it or not.

[@Georgenexton]

@@danielpreseley2921 absolutely fucking yes!

[@Demicleas]

@@canyounot313 we should commit genciodie no criminal deserves prison they can never be redeemed just put them in death camps so everyone can watch them slowly starve to death under hard manual labor maby they can be useful to us only then. As slave labor.

[@ivanvenne]

@@Demicleas Well depends on what crime they did. Some criminals can change. A thief can change, an assaulter (not sexual assaulters) can change, domestic abusers can probably change too, etc. But yeah, people like this do not change, they always reoffend. Like you ever see those people on TCAP? They always say that they will never do it again, but then later if they weren't charged (somehow), they always either go on to abuse an actual child or fall for another decoy in the show. Everytime they say they've changed they're just lying to get off easy

[@jasonchristiansen9063]

Yea. But society feels better about having them locked up on an island.

[@MU-go1fq]

We need to put more sexual offenders into therapy. Many sexual offenders have been sexually abused as children. It is a heinous crime but they are mentally ill, therapy is definitely required.

[@Britt-Kay]

Justin, why you always lyingggg ?! 😂

[@joanolgakeine6971]

I know 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@joanolgakeine6971]

Dude was lying 🤥

[@kirkjohnson2924]

WHY EMOJISSS

[@kirkjohnson2924]

@Cachu HOW WOULD YOU KNOW UNLESS U R ONE!

[@christinewatson1989]

I've lived in Seattle my whole life and never knew this existed.

[@Wizardnil]

Me too

[@mikaylawoolley140]

It’s near steilacoom!

[@ktothec24]

It’s closer to Tacoma . Going out on my dads boat we’d pass it all the time. Kinda surreal from a distance , the old timey prison on top of the hill

[@flesforpower]

Hows chaz?

[@mikaylawoolley140]

@@flesforpower The media is making it look worse/more violent than it actually is. People are largely peaceful and are just camping out, sorta like a weird modern dystopia.

[@samzollo2553]

So vices reporters will be there soon?

[@larryhorne3736]

One of my best friends is a guard here, and it’s real as it gets! He’s got to take a ferry to work every day. Very few people get out and stay out!

[@IncredibleDrone]

He still has desires about children keep him locked up.

[@armouredcat2369]

this island is basically my uncles house

[@jordannadilan2337]

are you ok?

[@ReconMan8654]

That is hilarious!

[@paulsaul2487]

Blurry memories

[@prettybarbie9273]

That's sad

[@vyceros7062]

This could be a cry for help and we wouldn't know..

[@jmcsquared18]

6:23 Mandatory life for any and all offenders is a horrid idea. That is completely nuanceless, as these crimes range in severity. An 19yr old teen who has sex with a 16yr old in high school does not compare to a predator of prepubescet children.

[@MrHAPPYHAWAIIAN]

The island of misfit toys😂 Merry Christmas🎉🎄