Watch Before Visiting the Grand Canyon | Trip Planner

[@WereintheRockies]

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[@denisebergeron10]

I have been to the south rim 3 times. It is my favorite place I have ever been. Each time we went, we drove from Flagstaff. One time, we did stay in a lodge on the rim. That was awesome because we were able to watch the sunrise. Everyone should go to the South rim of the Grand Canyon at least once in their life!

[@WereintheRockies]

Thanks for sharing!

[@violeteli31]

I am planning to visit in August but was wondering wether to stay in Sedona or flagstaff. I will be there for 4 days and it will be my first time and my family. Advice

[@denisebergeron10]

@@violeteli31 Flagstaff is absolutely beautiful! The drive from flagstaff to the canyon rim is about an hour. Sedona is a good bit farther south than flagstaff. If you could stay at least one night in Sedona, do it. I’ve never been but it is on my list. We stayed at the Drury inn in Flagstaff the first time we went to the Grand Canyon. It was a great stay and accommodated my family of 7 in one room comfortably.

[@mariacoronado7002]

Have you been in January? How’s the weather around that time?

[@denisebergeron10]

@@mariacoronado7002 yes!! I went about a week after the New year and it was beautiful! It had snowed so the canyon looked magical. The temperature were great too. I think the highs were in the low 40s. The best thing-- hardly any people! It was a great trip!

[@lucasboullosa]

I just want to thank you for delivering such high-quality content. It's difficult to find that kind of information in one single video.

[@WereintheRockies]

Thanks so much!

[@susanswinny588]

First visit, we stayed at El Tovar Lodge for 3 days in December (the canyon was gorgeous with snow). We flew into Phoenix, rented a car, and drove to the lodge. I'm a runner from Houston. Each morning around 7am, I ran the fire roads around El Tovar for an hour. It was so quiet early morning in the snow you could hear a pin drop and beautiful, deer were everywhere. Being from Texas, running at 7000 foot elevation was a little harder but an amazing experience. Wore long tights, light jacket, gloves, cap. Definitely need a water bottle for any outdoor activity in any month because of low humidity. For me, December was so beautiful with snow in the canyon and so quiet and meditative. El Tovar is right on the rim with an outdoor sitting area overlook. We took the shuttle to many nearby lookout points on the south rim. El Tovar is an ideal place to spend a few days and December was fabulous. Our second trip was to the North Rim, driving once more from Phoenix in a car rental, this time in September. The drive was beautiful, long and zero traffic. We stayed at Kaibab Lodge, 5 miles outside the North Rim entrance to GC, for a week. It was cool weather and a little higher altitude than the South Rim (almost 9000 feet). I'd love to go back when it snows and go cross country skiing, just outside Kaibab Lodge. The food was great - we ate at the Kaibab Lodge restaurant for every meal. All waking hours were outdoors. We entered GC North Rim entrance each morning bringing our own food, and enjoyed the beautiful lookouts and the lush forest bathing. We hiked into Coconino National Forest and it was gorgeous. We also took a helicopter ride over the canyon that was wonderful. We then visited Sedona for 3 days. The running was amazing in Sedona in September and crowds were low. Those red rocks are beautiful and everywhere. GC is the most inspiring location. I feel so small when I see the view from the rim into the canyon at sunrise or sunset. Even at Coconino, we hiked to an overlook and although it wasn't the canyon, it was silent and peaceful in a way you can't find other places. When I ran up a mountain in Sedona each day, I was awestruck. Each place I've been to in Arizona was an incredible inspiration for my soul. I recommend running or hiking or driving in AZ to everyone. I'm not a fan of crowds and especially love the peace and quiet and solitude of GC or any place especially early in the day. The night sky is incredible...you can't get a dark night sky just anywhere. Stargazing is beyond fantastic!

[@WereintheRockies]

Thanks for sharing. Glad you had a great trip.

[@Stephanie-sn4ul]

We loved Sedona and flagstaff

[@davidmicheleporter1262]

We're heading over to the US from Australia in June. We've got a HUGE itinerary, as we're travelling for 3mths. Just watched your Grand Canyon KZbin videos on the GC as this will be a big part of our trip (we're staying in GC Junction). Some awesome tips and information without being overwhelming. EXCELLENT presentation guys. Thank you SO much! (also looking forward to Bearizona, hadn't heard of it so thank you - it will be great to see grizzly bears instead of koala bears for a change LOL)

[@WereintheRockies]

Sounds like a wonderful trip! Have a great time and welcome to the US.

[@eyesopen5469]

Great Job Guys! I'm a a Bellman/Concierge at a Hotel in Tusayan. I've been a resident here in Northern Arizona for 20 yrs. You two nailed it! Very comprehensive! I knew i was going to like this video when you showed the zone map of the 247 mile long Canyon. We need more content like this. 👍

[@WereintheRockies]

Thank you sooo much!

[@eyesopen5469]

@@WereintheRockies No...Thank You! It makes my job easier if visitors did more research, I might have to refer guests to this video! 👍

[@shakirullah5484]

Although I have seen some other videos KZbin videos on Grand Canyon but you guys video is very classic ,have organised details and it could help for new tourist to make a note before visiting .Thanks guys ,you are the best .

[@WereintheRockies]

Thank you!

[@lrmb2011]

Were driving it right now. Thank for the great tips

[@travismolly4654]

I love you two 💯👌, the national parks should hire you just for your channel. You guys are truly honest people. God bless an happy holidays.

[@WereintheRockies]

You are very kind. Thank you!

[@dannyvacacbanmy553]

Yes Ma'am please make that video about hiking and rescue. Thanks

[@maggiecu3657]

Thank you for your wonderful overview. We are definitely using your suggestions and it never occurred to me to bike but that sounds great, especially for someone prone to altitude sickness for whom hiking is tough.

[@melissaflores3776]

The train is so fun with the actors on board. They are so fun and great! Been there three and going again next month! Never enough time.

[@kath4417]

Hello! We're from Europe and we are planning a trip over Grand Canyon - Antelope Canyon - Monument Valley and we've watch all your videos for some tips and advised. It helps alot especially for us. Keep making videos about USA nature trips. Your country have alot of stunning landscapes😉😍 keep uploding great informative videos 😍

[@WereintheRockies]

Glad we could help! Expect a lot more from us. ❤️

[@6alun1]

Watching in 2023 march.Thank you for such an amazing informative video!!!

[@WereintheRockies]

You are so welcome!

[@Xdemon_fan-666]

Thank you! This has been really helpful coming from the San Fernando Valley, CA!

[@WereintheRockies]

Yay! Have fun.

[@lauram8694]

I hiked down NK and up BA over a 4 day trip staying at all 3 corridor campgrounds. Definitely bucket trip of a lifetime at 60 yrs old. It was hardest best vaca ever! Everyone needs to see this treasure. It is addictive!

[@WereintheRockies]

Wow! Awesome.

[@Ok74112]

It was covered with fog , and rained and snowed ! It was almost first on my bucket list and last due to my death there!,

[@miamivicefanatic9736]

I remember going to a regularly scheduled evening ranger talk entitled "Death at the Grand Canyon". This was at the North Rim maybe five years ago. I don't know if they still give it, but it was very popular and informative.

[@melissaflores3776]

We stayed at the KOA in Williams on the 64 near the 40 freeway. Great location, small cabins affordable camp spots or rv ! Our grandkids loved it! There is also another one a little east of 64.

[@metelskiy]

Great Sandia view

[@Cre8tvMG]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge and passion with us. It will make my family's trip much better! ❤

[@WereintheRockies]

Our pleasure! Have a great time.

[@Stephanie-sn4ul]

We loved desert view and the grand point view

[@carolwells8388]

I love your videos. Since I can't go , your videos opens up a whole new world. You're so lucky---I'm happy for you.

[@WereintheRockies]

Thank you and you're welcome! We're glad we can help you see the world.

[@amylivsanders]

Thank you so much. Your videos and guides are helping me to feel confident about our spring trip out west!

[@WereintheRockies]

You are so welcome!

[@waronluke]

Appreciate you guys a ton, thank you!!

[@WereintheRockies]

You're welcome!

[@tinygingervitus]

This video was beyond helpful. I recently decided to do a trip to Grand Canyon and Yellowstone, not knowing a single thing about either park. One watch of this video left me feeling 100x more informed!

[@WereintheRockies]

Glad it was helpful!

[@clairefeuer4468]

Hi there! Thank you for this video! My mom and I are going to the South Rim and are excited but were initially overwhelmed, but this video has made us super excited.

[@WereintheRockies]

Glad it was helpful!

[@SteveAudra]

Thanks so much for sharing all this info. We are vanlifers so we typically just watch travel videos from other vanlifers but we love how in depth you get and hiw knowledgeable you are about the area. We're planning to visit in the fall, hopefully north and south rims. I have never been and can't wait!!!!

[@WereintheRockies]

How fun! Enjoy the Grand Canyon. Thanks for watching.

[@sabringh]

Very useful information!! Thank you guys!! I planned my trip according to your videos. Heading there June 4th. Thank you again!!

[@WereintheRockies]

Wonderful! Have a great time.

[@HecMundo]

Loved your video! Thanks so much. My wife and I just rented a Jeep with a roof tent and we're ready to road trip from Phoenix ♡

[@WereintheRockies]

That sounds so fun! Enjoy.

[@HecMundo]

@@WereintheRockies And it was unbelievable! The south rim has so many places to enjoy de view, the stars and the forest. Indie Campers was our choice for the Jeep rental, in case anybody wants to have the experience

[@marcelah505]

Tusayan is the town with the shuttle in case someone didn't know how to spell it

[@Stephanie-sn4ul]

We drove from camp verde and spent 4 to 6 hrs at the GC and drove back . But it was a spur of the moment trip for us.

[@stevemartin6594]

We visited the South Park about 5 years ago in Nov. and really loved it. We took the 3 night train excursion out of Willliams that included a night at their hotel there a morning train ride into the park. We were there from Noon until 3 the next afternoon when we again travelled by train back to Williams where we again spent the night. Our park entrance fee was included. we did an upgrade and stayed at the El Tavar. Our tour included a lunch a dinner at El Tavorand a bus tour along the rim. We took an extra sunset tour. It was a really great way to see th3 park. Very relaxing. Nov.was a great time to view the canyon better than the summer we were told because the shadowing gives a better 3G effect.

[@WereintheRockies]

This is fantastic! I think we will try this next year

[@prakashprabhu8707]

very informative video. visiting GC soon

[@WereintheRockies]

We're glad it helped you. Have fun when you visit.

[@sendingyoualoha]

Really appreciate your videos and look forward to the guides, both written and audio!

[@WereintheRockies]

You're welcome and thank you!

[@michaelgiordano1004]

Was at horseshoe bend last week. No shuttles needed however you do need to pay to park. It's then about a 15/20 minute walk/hike down to see the bend. Be aware there are minimal railings at the bend to stop you from tumbling down the 1000' cliff to the Colorado river and certain death. Also if heading to the "East" Lower Antelope is a MUST and Lee's ferry is one of the few spots you can soak yourself in the Colorado River.

[@WereintheRockies]

Thanks for sharing and for watching.

[@raviprakashrajagopal2623]

Bear country in SD is another drive through Bear zoo.. It was a few years ago we visited but it was great..

[@lindadowling1017]

Wow! Wonderful video..I visited in 1959 with seven 18 year old Girl Scout friends on a western road trip..unforgettable..thank you for helping me reminisce

[@WereintheRockies]

Thank you so much and you're welcome!

[@johngordon2929]

Great tips thank you both

[@WereintheRockies]

Our pleasure!

[@joanseason2740]

I’m glad I found you guys will definitely take notes

[@nancy5831]

Super informative, been enjoying your videos! I am interested in the canyon vista mule ride 2 hour. A-little confuse as where we check in?

[@WereintheRockies]

I would call the company directly to get more information. Thanks for watching.

[@zahidpakistan123]

Thank you so much for all the detailed information we are going in march 2023 . This video helps alot

[@WereintheRockies]

You are welcome!

[@richardocain8299]

Train is AWESOME. breakfast is great and snacks going back.

[@WereintheRockies]

We are hoping to do this next year!

[@ehadder]

I work for the train and have ridden it dozens of times. I recommend trying to catch it when the steam engine is running, typically the first Saturday of the month.

[@ml11545]

Great video! Ty for taking time to make!

[@WereintheRockies]

My pleasure!

[@linseyvanochten2926]

Again, great video! Funny to hear you say you live near Zion, when we visit the park in September we will wave in your direction ;) hard to imagine it is 4,5 hours from Vegas to either side of the rim, and at the same time it's 4 hours driving from north to south. We're from the Netherlands and you can drive across the whole country in 4 hours. This blows my mind!

[@WereintheRockies]

Yep, it's large and spacious places out here. Enjoy your trip in September.

[@cryptohook9395]

Great info!,

[@WereintheRockies]

Glad you think so!

[@j3digal]

Thank you….just purchased your Ultimate guide….can’t wait to go in May!!!!

[@WereintheRockies]

Thank you so much! I’m excited for you to visit!

[@Stephanie-sn4ul]

We traveled from camp verde through Sedona to the canyon. It was beautiful ride. My husband works in phoenix n I go to visit when I can. Last visit we went to Grand Canyon. It was amazing. I loved Sedona the most. I understand what u meant by driving through Texas n New Mexico because we live in Ocean Springs Ms which is on the gulf coast. Long drive but was totally worth it. I’m going back to Arizona in June and me and hubby are trying to decide if we wanna go back to GC or Yellowstone. I’m thinking Yellowstone . I really enjoy all y’all’s videos. Ty so much

[@WereintheRockies]

Either one is great but if you haven't been to Yellowstone, go there!

[@WereintheRockies]

no, you do not.

[@Vincent-fo7xp]

Thank you so much for this, I'm in the West too but I'm in Southern California I found this video informative because I'm gonna go there in a month..

[@mtkk22]

Thank you for showing all the sections of the grand canyon on the map, before explaining the south section.

[@WereintheRockies]

Glad it was helpful!

[@James-dk8kx]

Guys thank you for the Valuable info .we are leaving Thursday morning heading to grand canyon. Of course spending the night somewhere along the way ...coming in from Texas sounds like Saturday&Sunday be our days to visit the canyon then we plan on coming back home on route 66 Thank yall again

[@WereintheRockies]

Our pleasure! Have fun.

[@jasonwulff1227]

Great video, lots of very helpful info. I will use this and your website as a reference when I plan on visiting. Thanks again!

[@WereintheRockies]

Thanks Jason

[@raylander6329]

You guys have the BEST channel on the internet; you give info on exactly what people need to follow onto your steps; THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!

[@WereintheRockies]

Thanks so much for the kind words. We're glad we can help.

[@NRImomslifestyle]

So glad I came across your channel ! perfect timing too, as my family and I are visiting the Grand Canyon next month , super excited ! We will be staying in Williams .You have great information, very helpful, tips thanks for sharing . You have a great channel. I wish I had all this info the first time when I visited which was many years ago.

[@WereintheRockies]

We are so glad our information helped you! We love helping people plan their trips. Continue to watch our videos and check our blog for more info: wereintherockies.com/ Have a great trip to the Grand Canyon!

[@BlueStratRedStrat]

Thank for sharing. If you’re interested in The Grand Canyon, perhaps you’d enjoy this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5uqf56EiduVq5I

[@hexise]

REALLY REALLY Helpful! The only video I need for Grand Canyon! Thank you!

[@WereintheRockies]

Glad it was helpful!

[@kyleh698]

Love the view!

[@delmaluquin6435]

Thank you so much! Your video is so informative.

[@robhamilton8993]

Canyon you still go to the Meteor Crater to see it?

[@WereintheRockies]

I'm not sure, we've never seen it. I believe it's a couple hours away from the Grand Canyon.

[@east5871]

Fantastic video! What a great couple. Ordered your bundle. I think you’ve saved me hours of time.

[@WereintheRockies]

Awesome! We're glad we could help and thank you so much.

[@tee8248]

West Rim was worth the money!

[@tsehmacharayah3613]

Very detailed tips . Thank you

[@WereintheRockies]

My pleasure 😊

[@twobusyliving6641]

Just came across your video and it is going to be a big help for our trip next year. Really enjoyed it.

[@WereintheRockies]

Glad it was helpful!

[@bdawg333]

Great help, thanks! ❤ First view of the Canyon was breathtaking, literally! Took your advice to stay 2 nights and SO HAPPY we did. 🎉 One thing I was not expecting was how bad the quality of the highways are in Arizona. Driving from Las Vegas was pothole city. Also, food in Tusayan is a struggle unless you like fast food and eat at 5pm. We arrived at 8pm and ended up eating from the gas station - McDonalds drive thru was the only thing open and had 30 cars in the lineup - and all the hotel restaurants require reservations (for deep fried everything or steak). If you eat healthy, be prepared to get creative and pay through your teeth!

[@WereintheRockies]

You're welcome, we're so glad you enjoyed Grand Canyon! Thanks for the tips, I'm sure your comment will help others plan accordingly.

[@linseyvanochten2926]

Thanks for the tip! I eat plant based so I will keep in mind to come prepared....

[@WereintheRockies]

Linsey, we also have an article about eating there. wereintherockies.com/food-grand-canyon/

[@kevincarter1616]

Very very informative! Looking forward to our upcoming visit.

[@WereintheRockies]

Glad it was helpful!

[@adventureineverydirection3210]

You guys are awesome. So easy to follow and relate to your personalities.

[@WereintheRockies]

Thanks!

[@nclare7]

Fantastic information. Going there this week. Thank you so much!

[@WereintheRockies]

Have fun, glad it was helpful.

[@lupitamorales8799]

Thank you guys for doing this. I love planning ahead of time so I feel like I know what I’m doing now lol.

[@WereintheRockies]

Thanks for watching!

[@NYtoNC]

Planning our 20th wedding anny - so excited - thank you for this assistance!

[@WereintheRockies]

You’re welcome!

[@CapricornGirl9]

I’ve been to the GC twice, both times staying in the park. When my niece, she’s 9, asked me to take her, I started planning. Your page/channel are my go to’s for planning, I will be buying the guide as well. I want her trip to be something she remembers for the rest of her life. We’ll be doing GC two days, Page, Lee’s Ferry, etc. Thanks for all the work you do to help us mere mortals out.

[@WereintheRockies]

That is awesome! Have fun!

[@wendymtzc]

This is going to be very helpful for our trip, we are planning on going this fall…. So exciting!

[@WereintheRockies]

You will love it! If you need additional information for planning, we have many blog articles and travel guides on our website: wereintherockies.com/

[@zorianachak878]

Thanks a lot for great tips. You saved me a lit of time on searching all this important information 💛

[@WereintheRockies]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jennyc5100]

Thank you.

[@amberjay5361]

This video is amazing! Thank you! If we were to fly there from Tennessee, where should we fly to?

[@WereintheRockies]

Most people fly into the Las Vegas McCarran Airport (LAS), which is 4 hours away from the South Rim. Another closer option is the Flagstaff Pulliam Airport (FLG), a small international airport about an hour away.

[@PatsyMellen]

Thank you so much for such great information about the Grand Canyon.

[@WereintheRockies]

You’re welcome

[@christinefee5134]

So glad to have stumbled upon your channel! Retired couple planning our first RV trip out west, Grand Canyon. Hung on your every word. My problem is that I'm unable to make a reservation at Trailer Village Park inside the park for April 2025. I must be doing something wrong. Any tips and tricks?

[@WereintheRockies]

Most campsites begin accepting reservations 13 months in advance. I imagine they'll be opening up April 2025 soon.

[@Orangeshebert]

I didn’t realize you have a website offering guides. Sounds like just what I need.

[@WereintheRockies]

Yes! We put a lot of detail and effort into them.

[@leshaylynn5057]

Super informative!

[@OkiDingo]

Maswik Lodge rooms all have A/C, the food court they have was excellent last time I went there. I suggest staying a Maswik and see the sunrise is you can afford it. Agreed, stay two nights…..last time we spent only one night and it felt a bit rushed cause the drive back to Vegas.

[@WereintheRockies]

Thanks for the information.

[@biargeamauri]

wow! A super informative video, I realy appreciated it Thank you two! I'm planning to visit Grand Canyon region in September.

[@WereintheRockies]

You're welcome and have fun!

[@amccoy1356]

So helpful - thank you!

[@WereintheRockies]

So glad!

[@ManuelSanchez-ur3hc]

Excellent. Thank you!!

[@WereintheRockies]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@marthaceciliahaque-garnica3864]

Thanks so much for sharing the experience at the Great Canyon…we visited two weeks ago and our experience was amazing…I wish I had know. Or your video before going there! This video makes me want to go back to see some of the numerous places we have layer to see.

[@WereintheRockies]

We're glad you loved it! Now you have more reasons to go back. 😉

[@cathyweigand8063]

Do you discuss taking the train from Williams any thoughts on that or the polar express experience?

[@WereintheRockies]

We rode it this year and shared our thoughts in this video. Grand Canyon Trip Report 2024 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqPFqHWeobKbiK8

[@jaynette2011]

Great video!

[@a7salem]

It is my dream trip

[@pabrod]

great info thank you!

[@WereintheRockies]

You’re welcome!!

[@IAmThePrepper]

Camped in south Grand Canyon in June for 3 nights 4 days. We loved except no shower access due to covid. We’ll go gain and bring our shower system next time. Love the Grand Canyon, especially the sun raise.

[@jackiet8654]

You do not need to shuttle to Horseshoe bend. Parking is 10$ and about 3/4 mile walk to the overlook. There IS however a tour of Secret Canyon and Horseshoe Bend where the tour will bypass that 3/4 mile walk but be warned that tour is a 200$ tour but avoids the crowd at Horseshoe Bend Overlook.

[@WereintheRockies]

Thanks for sharing.

[@amyhook8605]

What is ada accessible for the disabled with a scooter??😊❤

[@WereintheRockies]

see here: www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/accessibility.htm

[@jackiehinz5884]

Thank you for the video!! Which viewpoint would be the most accessible for someone with a cane and cannot do steps?

[@WereintheRockies]

You are welcome. In our opinion, Mather would be the best one because you can use the handicap parking and the viewpoint is right there. The other viewpoints would require you using a shuttle, which has stairs. They're all beautiful views though.

[@babetravelling]

Very helpful. I can’t wait to visit. Is there rental car somewhere?

[@WereintheRockies]

If you're flying to Arizona, there would be car rentals available at the airport.

[@urmrsmith]

Thank you so much for this detailed video :-) What are the conditions in the south rim now? Can any hiking be done, including the short 1-2 mile hikes? Thanks in advance!

[@WereintheRockies]

Check the Grand Canyon's official webpage for current information: www.nps.gov/grca/index.htm

[@rollingwithtay]

Your video was very informative

[@joanpellillo2981]

I have been there 2 times, would love to make it 3 ---

[@lal2235]

Aparecciate the effort, but you only talk about south, is too long away from las vegas where Im going, go to west or chance the subject, 😊 cheers

[@Gola2844]

Make the video about death in GC please!

[@chelseametzinger6476]

Is the Rim Trail you talk about the same as the Trail of Time?

[@WereintheRockies]

Yes. The Trail of Time is one section of the much longer Rim Trail

[@manmohansingh7638]

Thank you guys for making such a informative video. I watched it 2 days before our trip to GC and I’m so glad I did.

[@WereintheRockies]

You’re welcome!

[@donnag7434]

Thank you so much for sharing this very informative video- we are heading out there next week for a 3 day stay in the south rim over spring break- I was worried the kids would get bored and my exact statement was “omg what will do with them after we look at the hole” Lol- you have made me much more excited about our trip! The bearizona looks amazing too- on their website it says they can accommodate a motorhome- do you know if there are length restrictions? I will definitely purchase your trip planner!

[@WereintheRockies]

Thanks Donna! You’ll have a great time. I’m not aware of restrictions on the motorhomes but maybe give them a call. My memory is the loops are wide turns that ant RV could handle but I could be wrong. If you remember, send us an email and let us know how it went!

[@tonykolehmainen1497]

Hi there! Planning a visit to grand canyon next summer..coming from Las Vegas..and all the way from Europe...where to go to get the best views of magnificent grand canyon?

[@WereintheRockies]

Mather Point is a great location at the South Rim. Read our article 16 AWESOME things to do at the Grand Canyon: wereintherockies.com/15-awesome-things-to-do-at-the-grand-canyon/ or this one for ideas on the North Rim: wereintherockies.com/grand-canyons-peaceful-north-rim-everything-you-need-to-know-before-you-go/

[@MrNightpwner]

Plot twist: They are the investors that got the train running again. The dedication is unparalleled with these 2.