Watch Buying Mistakes? Breitling Navitimer or Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch? Rolex Under Loupe

Rolex gets the night off… for the most part! Watch buyers, watch sellers, and watch collectors agree; Watches Tonight with Tim Mosso is the place to “watch,” discuss, and laugh about the hobby of luxury watch collecting. We open with a discussion of hilarious attempts to counterfeit A Lange & Sohne and Jaeger LeCoultre timepieces. A viewer’s question about the Patek Philippe 5170R leads to a clarification of Tim’s stance on this 39.4mm chronograph; it’s a viable unisex watch option, not a “ladies’ watch.” We consider the relevance of the modern Breitling Navitimer and whether Tim would advise choosing it over the Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch Co-Axial Chronograph. One viewer’s question about loupes for viewing his watch collections precipitates a surprising response; you don’t need to spend $600 on the “Loupe System for Hodinkee” in order to get a clear and detailed view of your prized Rolex Daytona sodalite dial or your Audeamars Piguet Royal Oak 15202 with caliber 2121. A standard Bausch & Lomb plastic jeweler’s loupe and headband halo will do the job for under $50 U.S. When do you want to Tonight’s show includes an extensive discussion of how to buy watches when significant others. In fact, Tim arrives armed with advice for watch collectors; these are the common mistakes frequently made when buying watches… and how to avoid them. True, marriage diplomacy requires creative solutions to ensure that a watch arrives on good terms with the entire household. But Tim also offers unconventional wisdom; don’t settle for a Breitling Colt Skyracer or a Hamilton Intra-Matic 68 when what you really want is a Rolex Submariner or an Omega Speedmaster Professional Moonwatch. Moreover, ask critical and revealing questions when buying a watch whether it’s a $100 vintage Sicura or a $50,000 Grand Seiko 8 Day Spring Drive. Finally, Tim discusses why he cannot always answer every individual email about which Omega, Breitling, Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, and Rolex that watch buyers and watch collectors plan to purchase. All of this and watch collector wrist shots will be featured this evening on Watches Tonight!
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[@TheWatcher66]

Navitimer ftw. I bought this 2022 iteration. ❤❤❤❤

[@nec4608]

Excellent show today, should I say as always, the advice in regards the bracelet & straps was perfect for the new people that get the bug. Also you keep the fast pace with a lot of information and data, Thanks!!!

[@taohsieh1556]

Navitimer blacksteel 46

[@the1916company]

Thanks for your feedback Tao! - WatchBox Team

[@mattshafran1415]

About to get the 46mm steel black with white sub dials. Already have a speedy. Excited to get the navi

[@dees9502]

Good vid but the sunglasses thing HAS to go

[@Jack-is9sm]

Another classic episode. I have been having a catch up of older episodes I missed. Really enjoying watching these.

[@the1916company]

Thanks for watching, we are always happy to hear that our episodes are well received. Stay tuned for future episodes as we put one out weekly! - The WatchBox Team

[@gelmibson883]

Don't wanna wear a navi from breitling? Buy a Sinn 903!

[@rfgf72]

Great show as usual Tim. Took my Oris alarm and your colleagues helped me. Awesome studio tour and chat. Thank you guys. This is a great channel and staff is awesome, whether selling or YT-ing.

[@the1916company]

Thanks for your kind words Roberto! Glad you had a great experience with us both in-person and digitally! We appreciate your support! - WatchBox Team

[@bobbysmith3433]

Great show Tim.

[@juwk3619]

I own both. I have the Navitimer 01 43mm reverse panda and the Speedmaster 9300 blue chronograph in titanium and I wear my Navitimer a lot more!. The Navitimer 01 is a beast!

[@tabibnialawfirm]

I'm considering both; why do you prefer the Navitimer?

[@irongrid6442]

Love your stuff Tim! Keep it up.

[@justinasvd]

You are so right about the two guys. :-D For a Grand Seiko, I had to promise vacations in Japan. (It's not so extravagant as you would think anyway because ordering from Japan would cost a ton in VAT and customs tax - so you're essentially spending the money you would pay on tax for travel.)

[@djjorge87]

Call me all!!!

[@kjparlay]

Your breakdown of the "value proposition" idea was spot on. I did a lot of that early on in my collecting, buying almost haphazardly less expensive watches - I couldn't afford X so bought Y and was never satisfied. Realized I was going about it wrong. Pared my collection to a couple nice pieces and a couple less expensive watches, all get worn because I genuinely love them. Buy what you like. If it's too expensive now, start saving. You'll be so satisfied when you get it.

[@jayremi4384]

This is very true indeed. Probably the most important advice to give to people starting on this hobby.

[@ShashankD137]

What's the globe ? Ball ? Exploding star looking thing behind you ? Looks amazing

[@alectang1614]

Fantastic show as always! Thanks for another shout out Tim!

[@the1916company]

Thanks for watching! I feel like a person can't shoot a thing like this without humor mixed in, so I try to keep it buoyant. Best, Tim

[@totisanchez3607]

Great tips Tim! Totally enjoyed it

[@anUntouchable]

Can you review the Hamilton X-Wind?

[@McLaughter_]

Tim is the best in the bizz. No doubt.

[@the1916company]

One of the best yet! Thanks for watching! - WatchBox Team

[@lawrencelibby3607]

Here's the thing: I grew up in a NASA town. My mom worked for NASA, as did most of the parents of my friends. I was 14 when I watched the moon landing live on TV. So it's a Speedy for me, pure nostalgia.

[@billbarner5743]

“Colleges and lawyers with the best commercials are usually the ones you should avoid.” - Tim Mosso Tim, I am stealing that!

[@terryc6420]

Which model is considered “core” for Glashutte Original？

[@terryc6420]

WatchBox Reviews thank you for the insight, Tim. Glad I do own a Sixties (the green textured dial one from this year) - love that thing to bits. The Pano would be my next GO acquisition, probably the Lunar, or maybe the Inverse. Cheers.

[@TruckeeDoggo]

The Senator Sixties is their most core and iconic. It’s basically the same design as the Spezimatic made for decades by GUB, the state owned predecessor to Glashutte when East Germany (and thus the Glashutte region) was under communist rule. Funny thing, you can get a vintage Spezimatic from the those iron curtain days for a few hundred bucks from eBay, whereas the new one is a piece of high horology. Obviously new ones are made to much higher quality levels but I think vintage GUB will one day start surging in price

[@petershallis2294]

I love that Hamilton intra-matic 68. There, I said it.

[@jameslynch6657]

Incredible someone is complaining about not to replying to an email... you are replying to comments on here and posting the best watch content on KZbin...! Please keep going.

[@the1916company]

We do our best to keep all bases covered! Thanks for your kind words and support James! - WatchBox Team

[@garretthu2466]

Well the retail on an Omega Alligator and deployant will weigh in at close to $700. So you get $300 in value for $100 which is still a no brainer. Of course you can pick up a strap and deployant aftermarket for a lot less than going OEM but for the sake of comparison OEM to OEM. However for Omega I hate how the bracelet leaves 2 gouges on the back of lugs from the supporting tabs on the end links but that’s just my OCD. Other brands do bracelets without those tabs, why can’t Omega do that?

[@robertkjellstrom5610]

Great show!

[@the1916company]

Thanks for watching Robert! - WatchBox Team

[@darksidecarnival5385]

Brilliant! I love ur show. I'm new to watch collecting and am learning so much everytime I watch one of ur episodes. Thank you!

[@the1916company]

That's great to hear! It's always pleasant to learn that we're helping our viewers learn more new things about watches! Make sure you subscribe, but most of all thanks for your support! - WatchBox Team

[@Stafo85]

Tim I wholly agree with you on the value proposition nonsense.... having said that I really do like that Hamilton in general

[@the1916company]

The Hamilton is a slick piece. It's just the wrong watch for somebody who isn't looking... specifically for that watch. As long as the goal watch doesn't cost $99,000 or some crazy number, waiting a bit longer and saving for the desired prize always seems to be worth it. Best, Tim

[@jasonhsia2422]

funny thing, i have this exact question

[@itsalgud1459]

Excellent video, Tim, with a great deal of very useful information! When I’m getting closer to buying a used/vintage watch, I will definitely come back and take notes on your tips.👍 And, yes, I would definitely go with Navitimer. It’s my grail watch!😍

[@abdullahelhashimy7115]

please anybody can explain what are the differences between the different models of speedmaster ?? why they have that much names ?? and what are the most desirable models ?

[@Khanh.Nguyen369]

The best thing I learned and the best advice I can give is buy what you truly want. Never settle or talk yourself into a purchase. You’ll regret settling and in the end, you’ll end up spending more because you’ll eventually purchase it anyways and still be stuck with the watch that you settled for.

[@the1916company]

You said it best! Ultimately one has to stick to what makes them happy! To each their own, thanks for your thoughtful feedback! - WatchBox Team

[@aaron2709]

Closer to Hell.

[@michaeldgs]

They are both Icon’s in their own right! Find out which one you want first, but get both if you can!

[@the1916company]

As you said they're both icons! Thanks for watching Michael! - WatchBox Team

[@michaeldgs]

Thanks for a good show! Good point on the bracelet👍

[@thegorn]

Who needs thermally blued screws, when you have threadlock?

[@andyreiter6253]

tim in one answer, navitmer 43 or ilc master control chrono?

[@Anon.User.602]

Another great episode.

[@the1916company]

Glad you enjoy it, thanks for watching Kubilay! - WatchBox Team

[@nealweeks6632]

2017 Omega Seamaster, black dial at $895 less than the new "Great White" Seamaster?

[@sixandathirdinchessixteenc7720]

Fun show and great advice, never buy a watch you don't want/need/lust after/exalt/worship/pathologically obsess over/...

[@andyreiter6253]

hahahaha pathologically ...

[@alaaissa3494]

CAN You tell us the different between Breitling | Navitimer 01 GMT46 VS 48

[@jkl6868]

I will buy my next watch from you!

[@the1916company]

We'll be here when you are ready!

[@nickkendall3764]

As a seiko nut a high end seiko give away like this is crazy cool. Grate show tim as always i lookforward tohe next one.

[@the1916company]

Thanks! Best of luck in the Seiko contest! --Team WatchBox

[@felixhezw]

Love the shows, but the prices online are getting ridiculous..."Watchbox Premiums" can be noticed on almost every model. Wasn't like this before...

[@bubbab7792]

Nicely done Mosso, production, and presentation as usual. You could teach some people some good things on that stage. Though I talk to the crew more than you, but you do on occasion reply. You're a busy man, keep up the good work. Love the commentary and variety of horology. Nice recommendation on the loop. Planes, pilots, colleges, and attorneys. 😂👍 Watch 101? 👍👍👍👍Let us know if you make it out west. Another great show Mosso. 👍

[@jonhettrick7969]

I am a watch fanatic. I can't afford most of the watches you show. But I like your Channel. God bless

[@betsyavallone4314]

I have been into watches since I was a kid. My husband could care less about watches.

[@the1916company]

Always a plus to hear a story from a supporter on their love of watches! May you and yours always make time for what matters! Thanks for watching Betsy! - WatchBox Team

[@wt460]

Betsy, your hubby had better watch out, or another watch lover will steal your heart away from your “couldn’t care less” hubby!!! I’m kidding, of course. Or am I...

[@jefflenney9460]

@Chalky Scriber Where are you from?

[@jefflenney9460]

@Chalky Scriber English eh? Do you speak German?

[@jefflenney9460]

@Chalky Scriber Then You're Welcome,

[@jameswillis8969]

Thanks for the great videos Your a real pro 👍

[@the1916company]

Thanks for your support! Make sure you subscribe as we have more content on the way! - WatchBox Team

[@amintaslneto]

Thanks for showcasing my dear IWC Portuguese Tim. It was one of my first pieces acquired from Govberg a few years ago. Still in mint condition as you can see 😂 Now regarding today's show.. One of the most diverse shows from a content perspective. Just loved it! The discussion about watches vs partners is definitively a fascinating one. From my experience, it's always key to be transparent about your timepieces' value (not only price) with your significant one. That means help your partner to understand that a luxury timepiece might retain or gain value at a certain extent, can be passed along to your kids in the future and be even sold if needed. Once you get to this level of understanding it gets much easier to justify an acquisition. A quick hint that worked for me: take your significant one to an auction. The moment my wife saw so many people paying serious money for timepieces things clicked for her! 👍 Best, Amintas

[@the1916company]

Thanks again for forwarding a great wrist shot -- and for following my videos forever! Your advice is sound; you could be a relationship counselor to some of my other viewers ;-) Best, Tim

[@amintaslneto]

Thanks Tim. Always happy to share some of my learning's along the watch collecting journey! Best, Amintas

[@HoosierRooster]

No contest Speedmaster is the one

[@the1916company]

The Speedmaster is a solid choice! Thanks for watching! - WatchBox Team

[@cliveb15]

I say the same every week, fantastic episode as always, you speak so well and are so knowledgable, can’t wait for next week, congratulations Tim you are the Oracle

[@the1916company]

We always look forward to your kind words Clive! Thank you so much for your support! - WatchBox Team

[@drpeterolsson]

Lol - I’ve bought watches because they were there! Great advice PIA to sell!

[@thegorn]

Clyve Watchwrangler has defected phrom ArchieLuxury and now hangs out on WatchBox

[@Hi_how_you_doing]

My wife love watches as much as I do.

[@VadersRage]

Sorry. A little tardy to the party here. At 26:17 ......? That is full-blown HELL! (but luckily my wife understands that). Love this vid and this channel. The info shared is top-notch!

[@Illinination53]

Georges kern is really changing breitling around, doing back to the roots of what made them great in the 60s and 70s . Love the new navi.

[@catchacoolbreeze]

Tim! Is there a video on why you sold your collection and what you have now? How did I miss this? What do you still have?

[@sportster883able]

I receive upwards of 120 meaningful emails a day (setting aside the usual non-critical stuff) in connection with active files I have on at any one time. I fully understand the inability to keep up and at times the overwhelming influx is paralysing both in terms of brain power required to formulate cogent responses (and also remain aloof from the sometimes irresistible desire to descend into the inane and questionably (in)appropriate sarcasm, humour and pathos) and allocation of time to actually achieve concrete progress on a daily and/or weekly basis. I feel your pain and, whilst recognising the frustration that can be engendered by a lack of response to an email that the sender may consider 'priority', there comes a time when you have to pull up the drawbridge, step back and focus on the 'why' and the 'how' rather than simply the 'who' or the 'what'. The content of these videos is demonstration and corroboration (if required and, in my opinion, its not) of your work ethic and application of knowledge of the subject and it seems to me that this focus is preferable (and paramount) to the benefit of the wider audience. Just my humble opinion of course.

[@the1916company]

Thank you for understanding! I try to stay engaged with the watch community even though I can't be an individual pen pal with each viewer these days. Best, Tim

[@floridaliving9853]

Watch box store online is way.......... over priced , why would I pay for a used watch full retail . Example Mayor store has submariner Rolex base price $8,500 to order while watch box has the same watch starting at $11,000 and up and it’s used. Really ?! I wish I could insert screen shots. And than the offer on a watch is a joke. Again !,,, Authentic watch store sells new watches for less . Watch box buys your Rolex for $between 2000 and $5000 sells it for $11000 or $15000 .lol what a joke lol

[@the1916company]

Hi - If you are able to procure a Rolex steel model at retail price, we suggest you do so. Many watches are trading above their retail price on the secondary market and we have to pay more than retail to acquire them. Our pricing is fairly consistent with market pricing, because the market for Rolex is very competitive. Thanks for you feedback!

[@throwingdartsandbreakinghearts]

I don't think you understand the preowned watch business.

[@8187262493]

As a friend unless you just got off a jet ski take those f#@king sunglasses off your head. Great job great information well done.

[@jumboJetPilot]

What’s the viewer wrist shot e-mail address again? I received an invalid e-mail address message...

[@jumboJetPilot]

WatchBox Reviews Awesome! And fantastic show yet again; enjoying from Seoul...

[@e11even_05]

A wealth of information and sound advice. Thank you Tim 🙏

[@the1916company]

We do our best to keep it concise and informative! Glad you enjoy it, thanks Beel! - WatchBox Team

[@hamisam7651]

WATCH BOX GIVES YOU 10% OF YOUR WATCH PRICE AND ASK FOR THEIR 70-80% ON THE SAME WATCH ???

[@Lord-Snowflake]

it sounds like your trying to cram to much into your video, a bit like Jim Cramer on "Mad Money". Best wishes

[@uweodin1492]

i buy both 😍🤗🤗🤗

[@the1916company]

As the late great J Dilla once said. "One won't do, two is not enough for me no!" Thanks for watching! - WatchBox Team

[@leanderian]

Jejere??!

[@brianclark4873]

cant watch this with you wearing sunglasses on you head !!

[@SevenDeMagnus]

Cool. Breitling coz' it's not ETA movement and it looks cooler. God bless, Proverbs 31

[@the1916company]

Cool and different indeed! 😎 Thanks for watching! - WatchBox Team

[@TruckeeDoggo]

The Moonwatch isn’t an ETA movement, either. It’s based on a legendary series of chrono movements by Lemania and is manufactured today by Omega.

[@SevenDeMagnus]

Hi. They say Omega is trying be a Rolex and it's not really a luxury brand coz' it's not that exclusive? What's your take? Can this Omega be an heirloom and is it ok to engrave it w/ the name and event why it was bought (a celebration of something)? What kind of font and what size would be ok if it's engraved? Thank you.

[@alaaissa3494]

Navitimer GMT: timezone ace A trustworthy companion of airborne adventurers, the Navitimer has always viewed the world as its playground. The new Navitimer GMT confirms this vocation. Breitling decided to think big in creating this chronograph with a traveller's soul. User friendliness is guaranteed by the ingenious Manufacture Breitling Caliber B04, clearly visible through the transparent caseback and equipped with a dual timezone system boasting peerless functionality: simply pulling out the crown and turning it forwards or backwards in one-hour increments enables instant setting of the travel timezone date and hour -- while maintaining a home-time display in 24-hour mode and without losing any precision in terms of the minutes. The large-format steel case with its imposing 48 mm diameter frames a perfectly readable instrument panel. The new Navitimer GMT comes with two faces -- a classic dial in black with silver counters or an all silver version -- and may be fitted with a steel bracelet or a leather or crocodile strap. It is also available in a 200-piece red gold limited edition with a black dial.

[@ashutosh3]

Dear Tim you’ve lost so much weight