WATCH LIVE: Oxford School Shooting - MI v. Ethan Crumbley - Miller Hearing

[@mermaid2605]

This is an excellent judge…he really does his job well. Well spoken, polite, professional and leads the court room effectively.

[@GenX1968]

He really handles this court room with class.

[@bikerleathertv]

Yes, he seems like a very nice man, however, I wish he would stop saying "with that being said" before every sentence lol.

[@shelleystrong8673]

Articulate right?

[@tiffanyv2212]

A million times more aware than jennifers trial judge imo

[@tamitopper]

@@bikerleathertvagreed lol

[@Herdistractions]

His parents are disgusting and rightfully charged along side of him. They couldn’t take him to the doctor for a possible mental illness when he was screaming for help but they were quick to take him to the gun store then to a shooting range. They failed epically at life and parenting!

[@jennaw1332]

We just mindmelded. The Mom in me can’t help but have empathy for Ethan. I would be heartbroken if one of my children felt the way he does. This by no means his behavior isn’t absolutely horrific, it’s sad that he felt this is what he had to do. Even the VP said “it can’t be Ethan no” SHAME on his parents

[@AICEMarineScience]

His parents were so busy with their horses. They set him up for nothing but isolation, heartache and insecurity which fostered a hate for the world and anything good.

[@aftonrae4038]

Yes that doesn’t make any sense. They have time to go to the gun range but not the doctor. I’m wondering if they were kind of aware of their neglect and did the thing that a lot of divorced or absent parents do. The parent is either too busy or not around for a period of time and then pop up to take their kid to do something really fun or something that would make them look like the “cool” parent before disappearing again. His parents weren’t attentive in any way to him, his education, or his social life but thought that buying him a gun, something that most parents wouldn’t be “cool” enough to buy for their kid and taking him to the shooting range would make up for basically being absent for weeks at a time. Before my parents were divorced my dad was really involved in our daily lives and was a great dad but After my parents were divorced and he moved an hour away and quickly married one of the women that he was having an affair with, My dad used to do the same thing with myself and my younger brother.

[@gatolibero8329]

I would just like to point out that the state is charging Ethan as an adult of sound mind in this case, not a CHILD, but then charging the parents with involuntary manslaughter on the basis of child neglect. Do the math on that one. You make the statement "they couldn't take him to the doctor for a possible mental illness", but then happily go right along with the state's own assessment of the situation. So what will it be? Is Ethan a CHILD or an ADULT? Assuming he's an ADULT, then why/how should the parents remain culpable for his crimes or his mental healthcare? Assuming he's a CHILD, then why is he being charged as an adult? Do you see the irony there? You can't have it both ways.

[@Med247RN]

Currently on verdict watch for Jennifer Crumble. Praying the jury gets it right!! Guilty!

[@tarottimewithandie]

A girl ran from the girls bathroom heard the execution. Ran to my best friends English class. Whom then called it in to the principals office. Ethan was never bullied by the way. He allowed one girl to live because she let him borrow a pen. He pointed at her. Then recognized her. Then turned away from her. He chose who would die. Fully cognizant and in mental control. Clarity of thought. I say life in prison without parole.

[@jeanettemae6110]

😮

[@SkeletonDude_257]

Ok that’s not even true

[@Audacity0708]

I find it interesting how a few kids said he was bullied early on. It’s like they were silenced and that’s not spoken of now.

[@wattsandwaxfamilyofteams-s4586]

This judge is excellent. So professional and non- biased

[@judyclarke423]

What is going on with the picture quality looks like it was filmed on a video recorder from the late 80’s

[@fridaymorningdanceparty5687]

This judge is absolutely incredible, other judges should watch this hearing

[@barbara2002]

I wish he would have been on the case with Darrell Brooks!

[@Ashley__Rose]

He is 😍

[@luckewoman0348]

Sure is!!!

[@turtlewoman1]

the judge for chandler halderson has been my favorite judge in these kind of cases that are totally gruesome.

[@Ashley__Rose]

@@turtlewoman1 That prosecutor had the best opening statement I’ve ever heard to date

[@jovicrazed]

So much was kept out of his mothers trial. I believe that his parent truly were neglectful.

[@Laulie98]

He’s gross. Keep him on there. I don’t believe in rehabilitation for serial killers or mass murders.

[@sarcasmfordays]

I really hope the other inmates end up treating him like a baby bird.

[@margaretlumley1648]

Yes! 😢

[@alyciaItalia]

He should never be let out of jail, but I also believe that he is a product of his “parents”

[@LadyGodiva7460]

You'd believe wrongly. Psychopaths are BORN absent of conscience nothing causes it-randomly, all socioeconomic classes, genders etc.

[@margaretlumley1648]

Yes!

[@kellijanssen1171]

The information of leaving a 7/8 year old home by himself should have been brought up in Jennifer’s trial.

[@armandfence4514]

I believed Jennifer was NG during trial. Felt bad that a G verdict was returned. Now that I am watching this hearing. I feel less bad. She was a s**t parent. What a lie about hyper vigilence.

[@barbaraclark2795]

i live not far from where this shooting happened and used to live in the county where this courtroom is. This kids parents ignored him they were more into themselves then being parents. They knew he had mental issues and did nothing. The mother was having affairs and was into her horses more then taking care of Ethan. The father bought the gun for this kid he should have known better then buy a gun for a kid with psciatric problems to begin with and his age another. i hope the USA gets with it and figures out good gun laws and wish the gun manufacters and gun lobbist could be sued .

[@kellijanssen1171]

I wish this judge was the judge in the mom’s trial. That judge just doesn’t hold the defense attorney accountable for her ridiculousness.

[@cperm1]

I was thinking the same thing. Jennifer Crumbley’s trial was a circus. A circus with absolutely no ring leader. Defense attorney was a clown with an attitude and the judge was a mouse barely audibly squeaking from the bench. I’ll be surprised if they find JC guilty. This whole incident is a shame. From the minute their “Oopsie Baby” was born, his parents put him at the very bottom of their priority list.

[@michellededmon6711]

This kid is way more f’ed up than I think anyone EVER imagined! I watched mom’s trial first and then came here. I had a very strong dislike for mom while watching her trial. I believed the parents’ negligence was completely to blame for what happened Nov 30, 2021. After only watching about the first 30 minutes of this trial, and hearing everything, this psycho kid wrote in his journal, I feel differently. This kid is evil personified. His parents’ negligence played a part responsibility for those lives that were taken that day. However, this kid is not right in the head. Maybe if his parents had listened to him and gotten him the mental health help he needed, the school shooting would not have happened. I still think he was determined enough to do this, that he would’ve gotten a gun some way even if dad had not bought one for him. I hope this very disturbed child never, ever sees the light of day.

[@KZ-gi7ey]

The mental health expert calling that a psychotic episode is nuts! He knew what he did, recognized the consequences in that moment and put on a performance for sympathy. These “experts” are part of the problem.

[@Goneinsane616]

Just started the video! And I’m already loving this judge!!!

[@Alina-ci3fb]

“I’m sorry mom and dad, but I’m ruining my life, not yours” HAHAHAHAHAHA

[@leighann5308]

Those poor baby birds what a sicko

[@KohalaLover]

Exactly. The mark of a serial killer/psychopath.

[@MochaPony]

So much respect for this intelligent and articulate Judge.

[@annbastuba3206]

This gives me chills. The computer guy who describes the video made me think of how brave the parents are to sit and hear and see how their children were hurt and killed.

[@cperm1]

Judge Rowe is one of the best judges I’ve ever watched. He exhibits excellent control over his courtroom, and he does it with respect, efficiency, and organization. I wish every judge would learn from him about how courtroom cases should be conducted.

[@ninamoceri7440]

please post the next one on friday!! i appreciate this so much.

[@rnangel69]

Sounds like Ethan was an annoyance to 2 self absorbed parents..that nobody in his life made him a priority. Several teachers voiced concerns but their concerns went nowhere in the hands of ineffective school counselors & administrators & self absorbed parents...

[@sarcasmfordays]

OMG, being a naive teenager who thinks he knows what he's talking about is such a joy. Complaining about money, college, a career, politics. He should be thankful some of us have gone through that hardship, so as taxpayers, he can lay around all day, get free meals, healthcare, education, electronics, housing. This little monster wanted to go to prison, which would be fine, but it needs to be hard labor with no electronics.

[@tiffanyv2212]

All of this should be presented at his mothers trial!!

[@TheWizardOfEgo]

I don't understand why it hasn't been unless it is considered hearsay

[@theweedusama]

​@@TheWizardOfEgoit would be hearsay because Ethan wouldn't take the stand unless to plead the 5th so they just didn't call him.

[@INFJ2]

Death penalty EVERY TIME this happens. Let it be the lesson. Why should YOU live. And Parents...you leave your guns out for access ...100 percent prosecution as well. But in MI there is no death penalty so Society in MI going fwd gets a really raw deal

[@lbca81]

Before commenting on Jennifer's trial you need to watch this. There is NO way they didn't know he was dangerous.

[@TheCreativeDork5]

His parents underestimated him This was a very smart and insightful kid. He felt the way this world was going that nothing was worth it.

[@janicefarmer2387]

His parents were to busy to notice what was going on and/or to be bothered with something so important and inconvenient. It was easier to buy him something and take him to do a family gun time.

[@coriolisse]

I was surprised at his level of insight at times, too. (When he discussed attending college and being saddled with debt, for instance.) But, a lot of people have this level of insight and they don’t go chasing notoriety by killing people.

[@margaretlumley1648]

IMO, Ethan has the art of speaking word salad down pat

[@jezzayrose9289]

It’s a disgusting world we live in when these defense attorneys pull out the “Whoa is me” card to defend these school shooters. There are tons of children with worst and shittier lives right now who are not out there shooting up schools. So that goes to show you there is no cause for these actions besides the fact that these school shooters are just evil and deserve to pay the maximum consequences to there actions. These kids nowadays thinking that they are the only ones who have it tough and they think they have the right to take another life. Those kids parents should get the right to decide if this kid gets to live or die.

[@irenestrmnss4496]

They copy other schoolshooters. More of them day by day. Evil grows in their hearts. Guns in USA grows like weed by the roadside. America has to wake up. Remove guns and weapons from american homes.

[@lexyortiz5412]

It's 'woe is me'. Whoa is the wrong word and doesn't make any sense in the phrase you used it in. Also, this was a CHILD... one that was BEGGING his parents and teachers for help with his mental health, he was literally hallucinating and severely depressed. His parents are more at fault for his actions in this case. He is/was mentally ill and when he begged his parents for help EVERY way he could, they took him to buy a GUN and brought him to a shooting range INSTEAD of getting him to the shrink he told them (more than once) he needed. Yes he made the choice and acted on the evil in his mind all by himself. Seems to me it was the only way he could get real help. He'd tried everything else, every other way of being direct AND acting out to get attention and help for his psychosis. OF COURSE He deserves to be punished, likely for the rest of his life, but his parents deserve much worse. IMO.

[@shelleystrong8673]

Defense attorneys must bring their case in such a way that the defendant won’t claim that he wasn’t properly represented and win on appeal. It’s a judicial balance. Prosecutors case, evidence must overshadow the defenses predictable“ woe is me” card.

[@monicaboswell2806]

Praying for the judge to make the right decision. On the one hand the things Ethan wrote in his Journal and the things he did just seems like he could never be rehabilitated but at the same time he is only 16 and his upbringing was majorly dysfunctional. Honestly, I would feel bad but I would give him life without parole.😕

[@lady.liberal]

Karen Mcdonald is an EXCELLENT prosecutor. She's setting precedence by going after these low life parents. Who literally answered their sons cry for help with a 9mm Sig Sauer. NOW they want nothing to do with him and are dodging any and all accountability. Weird they were the ONLY parents to call the school saying their son may be the shooter. Shows 10000% forseeability

[@LisaSimpsonRules]

They don't feel any responsibiliy at all. It's one of those cases in which I wonder why people who don't want to have children they take the trouble of having children. Don't have children. If I could have spoken to them I would have told them: "You are an adult, you don't have to do every single expectation that society has on you. Don't want to trouble about a kid? Don't have a kid."

[@QueenofMarine]

Why in the world didn't they present this information about his parents at Jennifer's trial? They presented such trivial evidence that didn't really amount to much. What I'm hearing here is a totally different story. Listening to this evidence really changes my opinion on James and Jennifer Crumbley and I wish the jury at her trial would have had a more complete picture. All they showed at her trial was that she spent a lot of time on her hobby and she had an affair, neither of which equate to gross negligence, and that she failed to take him home after the math assignment, which was also, in part, the school's fault.

[@marguerilla]

They made a terribly weak case against the mother, I agree

[@63076topher]

Not the schools fault there WAS NO reason to suspend him.

[@traveltm]

Why this defense attorney allowed to basically testify by asking questions of CSI who obviously doesn’t know about Ethan’s mental health or Miller factors.

[@luckewoman0348]

Agreed. It just came across as silly because this is being done for the judge. There is no jury. .the judge knows what crime techs have knowledge of.

[@Ashley__Rose]

@@luckewoman0348it’s for the cameras

[@traceonthecase]

​@@luckewoman0348it's an evidentiary hearing, not a trial. Different rules.

[@margaretlumley1648]

Yes, it's like they had wandered into the wrong hearing

[@BjBeam]

​@@margaretlumley1648this was not a trial. It was a Miller hearing.

[@janicefarmer2387]

Omg, this kid and his family are sick. This kid really does think hes going to dominate prisoners? Has he taken a good look innthe mirror? I had to fast forward through the torture of the baby birds. I don't know who he was texting but they need to really check on them as well.

[@teabag666]

In January he bypassed security on a tablet to access a violent website on the dark web. 🙇‍♀️ He wont change. I hope his parents rot too. Prayers for the victims, their families, and everyone who can't send their kids to school comfortably anymore. Best thing you can do is not share articles about him because if he gets access to the internet, he will be lookking himself up first. 💙💛

[@LadyGodiva7460]

I'd never heard of him being on the dark web...all though I don't doubt it. Where's this information?

[@margaretlumley1648]

​@darkhorse7460 the information is from this trial!

[@florecilla3946]

This kid is a monster and don't deserve the life in jail I can't believe these parents couldn't tell how disturbed this kid was!

[@VeronicaReveles408]

The parents are disturbed too.

[@CatWalk2]

There is an epidemic in today’s society. It is called “Lack of Parenting”. This can take many forms but essentially, it all boils down to a lack of personal responsibility. I’ve worked in an Elementary School for 30 years and I have become increasingly more concerned about this epidemic. If we do not start acknowledging and addressing this issue, I fear we will be seeing many more school shootings.

[@MrGrumpyGills]

It's actually a pandemic, at least in the western world. Mindboggling, infuriating, scary and pathetic.

[@proonguice8386]

I hope the friend he’s texting is locked up someplace away from the normals

[@cakegirl1030]

That's exactly what I was just thinking!

[@EllaHayaTV]

These are the most disturbing acts of torture and violence I have ever heard in my life. He is a total coward to do this to baby animals, pure evil, dark soul. Oh and who is the friend he is telling all this crazy stuff too? What a evil weirdo! Planning to kidnap and “grape” a female students, he’s a weak coward! Michigan DOC prisons will not be easy for him… he deserves LWOP easily! He is dangerous and doesn’t deserve to be out. This big ogre doesn’t deserve parole!!!

[@brendaford5542]

He needed a lot of mental help and cried for it. It’s horrific for everyone, except his worthless parents.

[@brie9960]

I reallly hope they’ve gotten in touch with that kid and their family and are watching them too. It’s another sick event waiting to happen imo.

[@methheadtrucker4124]

The fact that he stated he wanted to live to see the damage done and probably enjoy the pain he caused should automatically warrant the death Penalty

[@Tamilyn70]

Why was the defence attorney going so hard on the teacher?? She’s a victim in the case! Sad. It was borderline bullying.

[@margaretlumley1648]

IMO, it was over the border. There's something wrong with this atty, IMO

[@dominicnickel8724]

Judge Rowe did a great job! I don't get why the defense attorney was harassing Molly the way she did. Ethan should get life imprisonment without the possibility of parole!

[@piva1358]

Four times consecutive

[@Ashley__Rose]

How do these defense attorneys sleep at night. They have to be sociopathic.

[@Slimjimwilson]

I understand that defence attorneys are just doing their jobs but this was way past that it was unnecessary and felt like harassment and just purposely upsetting her!!

[@dominicnickel8724]

@@Slimjimwilson I agree!

[@melb2258]

This is as ridiculous as allowing students to have their cell Phones on in class… allowing inmates to have access to a tablet in jail/prison, is absurd! On taxpayers money at that !

[@cindis.100]

Except with all these school shootings I would want my kid to have their cell phone on them. Not to be on it during class, of course- but to be available to them.

[@potheadzndrama267]

I’ve actually heard the prisoners have to pay to use those tablets. Even pay to send & receive emails

[@brie9960]

⁠@@potheadzndrama267they do. It’s part of commissary. They’re not cheap and they’re strictly monitored. You can’t make a call or video call or anything like that from those tablets. You can watch movies and videos and that’s really about it. You do have to pay to send emails, pics ect but not to receive them.

[@WIHeadhunter]

My son’s school wanted to implement a no phone policy/keep phones in lockers but there was too much parent pushback with wanting their kids to have their phones in case of a shooting. They settled on having phone cubbies in each class that wasn’t near the door so kids could have access to their phones in case of emergency. What a horrible thing to deal with & plan for.

[@lisalaursen3684]

Most likely the inmates (especially teens like Ethan who like to brag) are purposefully given the tablets so they will incriminate themselves even further. That’s exactly what Ethan did and it was used against him. And when the detective was asked about why he had a tablet he suddenly started pausing and stumbling around with his explanation.

[@breanna2001]

Both assistant prosecutor Marc Keast and prosecutor Karen McDonald and the judge are amazing.

[@janedixon8491]

If you watch enough trials you just know there are evil people out there and they should never be free! I hope parents are watching these trials and gaining knowledge.

[@traveltm]

Enough!! She (defense) is not helping!! She just comes across as an nasty, angry AH!!

[@brendaford5542]

I don’t agree. To me, she is representing and giving Ethan a voice… a voice that was never heard by parents, teachers and that counselor. I’m not defending him. My opinion is she’s doing her job and seems compassionate for her client.

[@traveltm]

@@brendaford5542 I think compassion is great. I’m talking about the heavier one. May be just her delivery, but she just comes across wrong to me. I see what you are saying, This is just my opinion.

[@caitlinfletcher5511]

Everyone has the right to counsel

[@soniajones1519]

Oh my word, clearly that lawyer has no idea what crime scene investigator is. All those ridiculous questions.

[@Blu17175]

This is obviously not a DP but this is a sick individual that should never be released. Not sure of his age but he is a serial killer that should never get out of jail

[@juanacastillo7154]

The Judicial System must Start Giving All these Mass Evil killers the Death Penalty.

[@tru3293]

Even with the Death Penalty they're more likely to die of old age. Or the state decides they no longer support the death penalty. It's a crazy system

[@KohalaLover]

Can’t use the DP for minors. I think Ethan was fifteen when he terrorized the school.

[@salomewilson9032]

Can you record the trial at a higher volume tomorrow. Can't hear on two different phones.

[@godschild917]

He should not be able to hold his head down 🙄

[@BarbieDoll-ib7ws]

I agree. He should be forced to watch what he did.

[@karenhill5925]

A lame attempt by him to present himself as remorseful ,I bet he wanted to watch and revel in his actions but his defence prob told him it would benefit him to bend his head to give the appearance he regrets!

[@BarbieDoll-ib7ws]

@@karenhill5925 I think so too.

[@catherinehargrave9539]

He’s loving every minute of reliving his evil and the suffering of first responders victims and families

[@memejones17]

Lets start holding parents accountable.Might cut down on school shooters.

[@brandybarnett9953]

The parents should have to see this

[@Allergictocatstoo]

They cannot, they are also being charged. They will either go on trial next year or they will plead guilty when it’s time to do so.

[@Em-wr9ze]

Was this filmed with a potato?

[@JustHackingAround]

Why did Law & Crime only have access to the CCTV Zoom feed? I saw plenty of other videos with HD quality footage from the trial, why not this?....

[@DuckOfRubber]

Its crazy that his parents hired expensive lawyers for themselves and dumped Ethan to fend for himself with the public defender, but of the 3 he got by far the most competent legal defense. More expensive isn’t always better.

[@sunshinerain8668]

People pay for Shannon? She was horrible.

[@KohalaLover]

Love this professional and competent judge.

[@DAVEandGiGi]

Love ❤️ this judge!

[@christinemartinez-uv3rj]

But parents had money for horses (very expensive), alcohol, marijuana, cigarettes and Xanax...how sad

[@proonguice8386]

How nervous were those defense attorneys. I’d be concerned he’d go full Hannibal Lector and bite off a chunk of my face after hearing his journal

[@madreep]

As an educator myself this is so hard to watch. These people are amazing. I'd like to think that I'd be so selfless in the same situation, but I don't know. I've had to lock down with a classroom of kids, both in a drill and real life and it's a traumatic experience. It was for me. I'm not sure about the kids. I don't like to talk to them about it because it's bad enough that they have to grow up like this, I don't want to make it worse. I try to treat it like any other drill that kids have to do in school. But when it's real life it's sooooo scary. Especially when you have no clue what's happening. You just know that you need to protect your kids. One of my nephews was at Marysville high school when the shooting happened there. He knew all the kids that were killed and knew the shooter very well. They all grew up and lived on the Tualip reservation and it's a close knit area. He has had a very difficult time coping. He keeps quiet about his feelings regarding the incident.

[@pbate08pvz31]

I’m in uk, could not imagine how terrifying this is. It seems this happens far too often in the USA. Any idea why???? We have all the same problems with children/ adults suffering with mental health issues but I cannot think of any incidents this horrific. The only thing I can think of that is so different is our gun laws.

[@CatWalk2]

@madreep I’m so sorry you had to go through that. I’m also sorry for what your nephew has had to endure. I work in an Elementary school and I don’t know how/if I could ever recover from a school shooting 😢😢😢

[@floatahhh]

@@pbate08pvz31mate we have are own problems here in England. Knife crime and drugs. Also our country doesn’t have a second amendment, so it’s not comparable.

[@annieliebert]

The torturing of the baby bird is just too much. I realize it's not his worst crime, but I can't bear to listen to it. But it indicates so much about the shooter's f*cked up mind. And the parents: Gross. What a disgusting family.

[@MrJohnDoe-Jr]

Is this video from 70s?

[@antimaga856]

Agree! I found a Fox Houston live stream which has much better quality audio and video, but although they claim "raw and unfiltered", as soon a curse word is muttered, they mute the audio and blur the screen 🙄.

[@traveltm]

They sent him bank to class?! Did they check his backpack? Did his parents mention he had a 9mm gun? WTF?! Torturing baby birds!!

[@marilynglazier9794]

Yes they sent him back to class when his parents refused to take him home, even though he was being suspended and the school ordered that they get him psychological help. No one checked his backpack. The parents have been incarcerated since the murders. I can't wait till their trial starts. The prosecutor is out for their blood, rightfully so.

[@traveltm]

@@marilynglazier9794 I guess I don’t understand why they had right to refuse. I will watch their trial for sure. Yes Ethan had bad parents but don’t think can fix him IDK

[@marilynglazier9794]

@@traveltm The parents can't fix him but they sure are to blame for their lack of care of him. In my opinion the school is also culpable in not insisting that they take him or calling CPS, they also never checked his backpack, this is after finding his drawings that day and him being reported by teachers for googling guns while in class. Ethan has to answer for his crimes but so do the parents and school for not doing all they could to prevent this tragedy.

[@RYMAN1321]

@@marilynglazier9794Exactly The school never should’ve sent him back to class And absolutely should’ve checked his backpack.

[@traveltm]

@@marilynglazier9794 no I meant in general, in prison, be fixed so give possible parole. I completely agree parents need to be held accountable and EC. Kill people because your not happy and because want to be remembered. Not mitigating. It’s sad had school shootings so put in place what to look for but they dropped they ball. His rant he made video night before pathetic. I think he just did it to try and make himself look good. As if doing it to wake up society. Such BS. Not logical he wanted to be “remembered”

[@karenhill5925]

Nothing to discuss it’s like having a 16 yrs old Charles Manson and questioning if he should be given a lighter sentence incase he can change! Not in this Lifetime 😈 evil does not change apart from becoming more so imo! Life NO PAROLE is the minimum this monster deserves!

[@chefsusansavage2784]

At an 1:57:00 that cop is having a hard time. I don't blame him. I can't imagine how difficult that would be to have to walk past a dying child and not be able to render aid until the shooter is in custody. I would also like to know, this friend he was texting, is he in trouble for encouraging this behaviour? Or was he just, playing the cool guy and not meaning or thinking anything would come of it. If the latter, I wonder what his reaction to this was and if he got some help. And I'd like to know what the parents charges are. They were just as responsible for this happening.

[@tru3293]

Why does this look like it was filmed on a VHS tape from the 80s

[@StellaFl]

Ηehehe, when I first clicked on the video, for a second I thought I'd made a mistake and was watching a trial from the 80's!

[@potheadzndrama267]

When I first heard he was 15 I thought maybe he could change when he got older but, after hearing all these details & the poor birds, nah…he’s a serial killer for life so give him LWOP! I feel so bad for that man who had to watch the videos… He’s sick & demented!!! I don’t think I’d have a problem with him getting the DP tbh

[@traceonthecase]

Me too

[@buttertoast1146]

What do you mean change? He killed 4 kids bud.

[@traceonthecase]

@@buttertoast1146 I don't know I was sort of thinking the same thing because the first thing all we heard was how horrible the parents were and they were horrible and at the parents trial that was all we heard we didn't hear how truly truly sick this kid is turn it that bird stuff was unbelievable

[@potheadzndrama267]

@@buttertoast1146 yeah but I figured since he was telling the parents he needed help & they ignored him then maybe he had some sort of hope. But not after hearing about the torture of those baby birds. They say most serial killers start off torturing animals

[@buttertoast1146]

@potheadzndrama215 he could've also told the school counselor he needed help those 2 years but didn't. He could've found help in other places but he didn't so that's on him

[@catherinepenkala5492]

Very impressed with this judge.

[@brbrknndy]

EC was so dark it is hard to believe that his parents didn't pick up some kind of clue.

[@traveltm]

A lot of guards. Are they worried parents might try to kill him.

[@daniellereid6539]

Yes

[@carlaredman2693]

It’s always like that just this courtroom is smaller than the other ones so it seems like is a lot of police 😉

[@TheWizardOfEgo]

I took drink every time the judge said 'That being said' and I passed out in the first 30 minutes

[@pattipowers8235]

Why can’t we see the videos and evidence?

[@IRLLondonGirl]

Because it's vile and disrespectful to the family, friends and community

[@lashondamadise1880]

No it's not .. all trials in this century shows the evidence

[@Carolinec222]

He has not missed any meals!!

[@bigbootyhunta]

I think his weight gain may be due to the high sugar and high carbohydrate content of the food available to people who are in jail.

[@mewznpurrz]

He's also wearing bullet proof vest underneath his shirt.

[@VeronicaReveles408]

Lots of starchy food in jail.

[@VeronicaReveles408]

​@mewznpurrz they should have a bullet proof helmet on him! If they have those. But then again they shouldn't have anything to protect him.

[@brie9960]

Considering jail food isn’t the healthiest and his parents literally didn’t have food in the house for him regularly, yea he’s gonna gain some weight. He’s also 16, he’s about to hit at least 1 major growth spurt, 2 if he hasn’t had one yet. Boys tend to have 2 major growth spurts, at 14-17 and then again around 18-21 for the last time

[@georgia1033]

Anyone know the time stamp of the part where the next day the judge was upset with the defense lawyers questioning of a victim??

[@vhodgdon]

What friend is he texting this kid needs help too

[@Shazvana]

It would be so much better if we could see the evidence they are talking about. I understand they will not show sensitive stuff but other stuff would be nice.

[@Rtc6444]

This judge is great, amazing

[@Ashley__Rose]

720p? Really? Is this a video camera from the court? Quality is awful, looks like CCTV quality.

[@cindyhaas3781]

I can’t stand this defense female lawyer! How dare her treat this poor lady the way she did like it was that lady’s fault. Really? That judge shoulda stood up to her. WTH?

[@vmlane]

He did, but he can’t give them reason for appeal so he has to do it in a way that seems measured and unbiased. I wholeheartedly agree that the defense team were out of pocket and way beyond the bounds of appropriate questioning for that staff member. Completely unprofessional! The judge handled it as well as he could, as soon as the prosecution objected he started redirecting the questioning and he sustained multiple objections.

[@Alina-ci3fb]

She is vile

[@JanetSmith900]

This witness wasn't even involved with him, so to attack her with questions about reporting as if she was involved with him and did something wrong seems far fetched. They are going to go down this road with all the witnesses to garner sympathy for him.

[@IRLLondonGirl]

Awful case. So glad his parents are being prosecuted, this was totally preventable and he literally was crying out for help. Sadder still that he carried out his murderous intent on those birds and at the school. He deserves LWOP but so do his parents - blood is on their hands too.

[@sarcasmfordays]

I can't stand the defense attorney. She's speeding through these questions like the energizer bunny and the witness can't keep up.

[@traveltm]

Strange quality to this video

[@tru3293]

It's unnerving watching these boys become men behind bars.

[@mawmawshomesteadpreparedness]

I thought his trial was over. He has definitely gained weight in jail/prison.

[@traveltm]

He plead. This is sentencing

[@Becky4036]

He plead guilty. This is to decide if he's allowed to be sentence to life without the possibility of parole - because he was under 18 when he committed the crime.

[@mawmawshomesteadpreparedness]

@@Becky4036 Thank you. I knew he pleaded guilty, I thought he was sentenced to life without parole, or life. I probably got him mixed up with the Florida shooter. Again, thank you.

[@traceonthecase]

At first wasn't he starving himself and they were worried about his weight?

[@margaretlumley1648]

I so love this beautiful judge ❤

[@sherrydmyterko-tramp8654]

The last whiteness. Broke my heart. How horrible of the defense to continue to torture a victim. Shame on her. 😅

[@warrenbut1455]

You would hope the parents get the full punishment also and other parents if you can call them that who act like there kids don’t exist and think it’s really good to buy there children guns and even teach them how to use them disgraceful

[@brie9960]

I don’t disagree with teaching a teenager how to shoot🤷🏼‍♀️ it’s the circumstances around them taking him that I take issue with. They knew he was psycho (literally) and still decided to take him shooting AND buying him gun. The shooting range doesn’t do much if there’s no access to guns outside of there. The mother thought it was a joke “just don’t get caught lol” text from his mother after getting called to pick up her kid from school (and refusing!) because he was looking up bullets and guns in class.

[@traveltm]

Thus is wrong. Call your own witnesses. She is using every witness to try and bring up his home life over and over.

[@leighlazarus7974]

Could you turn up the volume?

[@barnabascollins4625]

Wow the defendant looks like he’s been eating a lot of oatmeal pie’s

[@traveltm]

I know doing job and I am sure it’s difficult but seem to lack ability to not come across as nasty. I guess this this if hearing different but this attorney just tries to testify with every witness. It’s out of bounds. Yeah good on the state stop this BS!!!

[@fridaymorningdanceparty5687]

The defense attorney isn’t even taking notes during the prosecution questioning. Is this her first big trial? I’m not being that guy, I’m honestly wondering.

[@antimaga856]

This isn't a trial; Ethan pled guilty. This is a sentencing hearing.

[@ragepilled]

@@antimaga856Not a sentencing hearing actually, it’s a miller hearing. They’re determining whether or not he should be *eligible* for life in prison.

[@Alina-ci3fb]

They’re public defenders. They’d care more if EC was paying for their services.

[@antimaga856]

@feralsen Thanks for the correction. The defense council @14:28 did say, "we must move away from the trial mentality and into a sentencing phase," which spurned me to make that statement. ✌️

[@reneejohnson4361]

This Evil Monster has the Nerve to be thinking of himself, his life after what he's done in Destroying these Peoples Lives?

[@florenceglenn4627]

MANDATED REPORTER….not mandatory ugh dense defense

[@lovesomeone7285]

Evil pure evil what he did to the bird 🐦 and school children.

[@Bigboo218]

Why did I have to buy a tablet for him to use?

[@shai4ever]

Everybody in majority of US jails have a tablet...it's not something new.

[@tiffanyv2212]

I really like ethans attorney. So much more than jennifers attorney.

[@lovespink221]

Wow there's a lot of cops in there!!!!

[@annmoore8696]

Just a question ⁉️ Why is he in Orange ❓ 🤔 ⚖️

[@Megan-rz4fc]

Because he’s incarcerated. There’s no jury and he’s pled guilty to the crimes he’s charged with, no reason to dress him in street clothes.

[@annmoore8696]

@@Megan-rz4fc Thank you!