Watch News - Citizen 0100 - A Grand Seiko 9F killer?!

[@paullynch4021]

I have had a Grand Seiko 9F for about a year and a half, and it is still perfectly accurate within a second. The finishing is amazing. Love it!

[@WatchGeek]

Which model?

[@paullynch4021]

SBGV027 A limited edition in burgundy. Stunning, though I do say so myself!

[@WatchGeek]

That IS very pretty

[@hadiffnazhan862]

what a beasy

[@philipjames3294]

A very impressive quartz movement, but its not all about the movement, the finishing on a Grand Seiko is amazing.

[@BruceNorris1990]

Citizen's high end watches have amazing finishing too. I have 2 HAQs, one GS (SBGV017) and one Citizen (CTQ57-093). I got the GS a couple of years before the Citizen, and I was thinking that the finishing would be hard to beat, but had to pick up the Citizen when I saw it in person. Amazing finish, and also better specced movement, with a +/-5 sec per year rating and a perpetual calendar on that model.

[@tomstever2597]

Been seriously into watches for two years now. Having owned a half dozen automatics, the novelty has worn off on me. A 9F has an essentially non-existent maintenance cost and keeps infinitely better time. Am I going nuts!?!?!

[@ecureed]

No! I’m with you 👍

[@chevy4x466]

Quartz is way better. I enjoy accuracy.

[@Wild_Danimal]

It took me ten years to see the light

[@deannascott3475]

My husbands Grand Seiko 25th Anniversary SBGV238 is accurate to 2 seconds per year (Checked with the WWV Atomic Clock.)...The new Citizen has a quartz crystal that vibrates 256 times faster than the Grand Seiko's 32,768 Hz. So the Grand Seiko is pretty astonishing considering its much lower quartz frequency. By the way, the Grand Seiko 9F checks the temperature every two and two thirds minutes, not 3 as is stated in the video.

[@aHigherPower]

I've owned and been a big fan of Citizen for many years. I hope we see this as their flag ship for many models.

[@WatchGeek]

I hope so too 😊 I'll be making a giveaway of a GShock watch when I reach 10.000 subs, which should be in about 2-3 weeks so make sure to subscribe and follow the videos to see how to participate 👍

[@Tom-vy3cb]

Prefer high end quartz over automatic now

[@dredgewalker]

Quartz are hassle free watches. I have many mechanicals and many of them give me headaches with maintenance amd accuracy. Each movement type has their pros and cons. I have 3 quartz watches that I have owned for many years and they are very reliable. I still prefer mechanicals as there's something fascinating about how they work

[@ewcm1878]

If it's high end I would have to go mechanical. It's EMP proof 😂. Actually I might give affordable mechanicals a try like the Islander 38.

[@ecureed]

I’m heading that way too, I am a little ocd about accuracy, hard to explain but I just am. Love the grab and go of a quartz too. My Casio Oceanus is my current EDC and I love it.

[@phillippugh2161]

I just purchased my first grand Seiko quartz an this thing is a winner in movement an build quality. Citizen watch will have there work cut out for them to unset the grand Seiko quartz. An let's not forget everything said here is all a rumor at this point enough said

[@sudoku47]

For my money, a watch is primarily a device for displaying the correct time, so the more accurate it is, the more I marvel at it. Accuracy reigns supreme! Citizen 0100 is the KING of accuracy!

[@bengchiatseah3908]

since they took a leaf of their conquest, the Boluva, with regards to a ultra high frequency quartz,... i pray that they make the second hand sweeps as well.

[@WatchGeek]

Although I would love if they did that too, I don't think it will happen as Citizen announced long time ago that the sweeping hand will be exclusive to Bulova

[@borbetomagus]

If i'm not mistaken, a Bulova Precisionist movement runs at 8 times (262.144 kHz) the frequency of the standard quartz movement (32.768 kHz). This sounds very impressive, but it's pales in comparison to the Citizen 0100 movement which runs at 256 times times (8,388.608 kHz) the frequency of a standard quartz movement. Considering it's possible to get a Precisionist watch for as little as $100 (if you're lucky), this probably won't be possible with the Citizen 0100 movement anytime soon, but I'd certainly buy one! They'll probably start at $2000 (or more). I just wonder where the accuracy of standard wristwatches would be had John Harrison been taken more seriously during his lifetime (and devoted more time to watch making) -- /watch?v=sQAY-zFkVyQ

[@gamewizard1760]

I don't think the battery life will be good enough if they tried giving it a smoothly sweeping second hand like the Precisionist, in addition to the incredibly high frequency that they are vibrating the crystal at. The second hand on the Precisionist moves 16 times in one second, almost too fast to see. The 0100 moves the second hand once per second. They already had to do a lot of re-engineering at great expense just to get the battery life up to where it is now. My feeling is that the jerky sweep of the second hand is a compromise that had to be made to conserve power.

[@141sharon270]

I'm a big fan of citizen eco drive. My old one was looking a bit worse for wear so i ought a new seiko. But after being use to my citizen, always correct time, i was disappointed with my new fancy expensive seiko. So i decided to get the old one out again. Quite a few months later i fished it out of the box which was at the back of the dresser and i saw the time on it was the same as the present time. What a coincidence i thought, what about day and date, OMG!!! It was correct, everything. I couldn't believe it. So i just purchased a beautiful new Citizen eco drive, paid a lot of money for it, but I wont ever have to buy another watch, and i dont want to keep on checking to see if its got correct time, if anyone asks me for the correct time, i look at my citizen wristwatch and confidently give it.

[@WatchGeek]

They are bulletproof, and my oldest working watch that I purchased is also a Citizen. I gave it to my uncle a few years back and he still wears it and always praises it. 😊 I'll be making a giveaway of a GShock watch when I reach 10.000 subs, which should be in about 2-3 weeks so make sure to subscribe and follow the videos to see how to participate 👍

[@schlooonginator1227]

Whatever happened to Timex? Growing up, they were THE common mans timepiece. They seemed to have the quartz market in its palm then they apparently lost everything.

[@hammalamiri12]

Your answer is the creative and deceptive marketing of fashion watch brands

[@gamewizard1760]

Quality is bad. I see hundreds of complaints everywhere about it, especially the Indiglo when it fails. They have to repair or replace it while it's under warranty, but once the warranty expires, you're on your own, and it costs more to repair it than it does to throw it away and buy another watch and the Indiglo fails on all of them eventually. Many people even complain that they can't get repair authorization from Timex at all on watches with Indiglo problems outside of warranty.

[@SuperScottie3000]

I’m not sure if it’s typical, but my Seiko 9F is on track to gain less than 1second for the year!

[@JimIBobIJones]

That's really unfair to Citizen. Citizen has always outcompeted Seiko on the high end/high accuracy quartz side. Their high end quartz, even before the 0100, left Seiko's dead in the dust. Citizen's thermocompensated quartz (the "A0" range) came at +/- 5 seconds a year as standard, whereas Grand Seiko only offered +/- 10, with only very limited, special edition models being rated for +/- 5.

[@jannilsson5872]

As a quartz lover and owner of both Grand Seikos and The Citizen I am super exited to see this in production watches. Now that Grand Seiko is being a brand of it own I feel they are going in the wrong direction making limited editions and moore expencive watches. If Citizen were to put this movement in a wider range of watches, they will force a new standard in to quartz movements, making the Swiss once again tremble or adapt, as in the ´70´s. Citizen being a brand known for good value watches, my hopes are that 50 (2019) years after Seiko started the quartz revolution 1969, the can do the same next year. QFTW

[@WatchGeek]

I also hope it will bring to a revolution in quartz watches like in the 70's when everyone was making high frequency quartz movements with crazy accuracy

[@TheTimLara]

Jan Nilsson Well said. This is what I'm hoping for too.

[@ewcm1878]

@jan citizen won't do that because it's not free.

[@oes2546]

Hope they release some relatively affordable and good looking solar HAQ watches, because the Chronomaster (which will get this movement no doubt) is a bit pricey…

[@canonyeo4286]

Wow, this one is even better than the chronomaster. Hope they come up with a nice case design and better-looking dials like the GS. Might get one if they do. Thanks for the info.

[@WatchGeek]

It would be a shame if they mess up the watches these will be in since they made such a nice movement

[@canonyeo4286]

Yes, hope they make good on this one. The Chronomaster is already more superior than the 9F, but, it's hard to find one that looks good, and the GS is looking better this year.

[@phillippugh2161]

Canon Yeo the chronometer is better then the grand Seiko quartz??....really I've seen both an just purchased my first grand Seiko quartz. An is not even close in which one id spend my $3k on . And I own a couple of citizens with one being the super thin Eco-Drive citizens quartz. No knock on citizen but let's wait to see if the watch lives up to the hype.

[@canonyeo4286]

Phillip, the Citizen Chronomaster is better from the aspect that it's a perpetual calendar and the hour hand can be adjusted independently. But in term of aesthetics, it's way off from the GS. I have never seen a Chronomaster that appeals to me. Also, both my 9F is plus to 2 to 3 sec/year. So, I can go without the plus 1 sec thing, unless it looks good like the GS too. I have two Seiko Dolce 8Jxx that is specified as +/-10s/year. I have both at plus 2 to 3 s/year like the GS, and it cost less than 400 dollars. I believe this caliber is similar to the 8Jxx used in the Ladies GS. In my view, these Dolce also looks better than the Chronomaster.

[@phillippugh2161]

Canon Yeo my thoughts exactly

[@fkurcik]

I'm interested in how big the water resistance is going to be on this watch. The Longines VHP has only 50m, which was a big disappointment. Casio Edifice has 200m WR and max. accuracy, since it is regulated by radio signal. It is also way cheaper than Seiko or Citizen.

[@WatchGeek]

It all depends on the models Citizen puts these in, but I guess it will be 100

[@komadeus793]

Seiko 9f movement is easy to use just change bettery and nothing once a 3year. You can give to your son and grandson. It is very durable. And it is easier for seiko to find service center.

[@TheTimLara]

Thanks for the video! Here's hoping that Citizen wins in another important aspect: Price! It would be so incredible if this trickles down into their traditionally very affordable Eco-Drive lineup. I love the tech of Grand Seiko, but their luxury brand pricing is way too far out of reach. If Citizen can put equally impressive tech into some affordable pieces, that would truly be an amazing achievement.

[@WatchGeek]

I don't think these will be under $1500-2000 as those are prices of the current Chronomasters by Citizen that have an accuracy of +-5 seconds a year

[@TheTimLara]

$1500-ish street price would not be bad, and still be far below the cost of high end Swiss quartz offerings, so that would be cool to see. To me, high end quartz is more for people who appreciate the "tool watch" aspect over the "jewelry" aspect, so I'm just hoping to see this tech marketed more on the affordable/practical end of the spectrum. With Seiko raising prices lately, I think there is a good market opportunity for Citizen to reach enthusiasts who prefer to stay in the sub-$1000 range.

[@HeartofTexasArmory]

Such an awesome movement!

[@WatchGeek]

I agree

[@aaronwalderslade]

I have a £6.99 Casio alarm clock in my house in France. Every year I go down to the house and the clock is still within a second of the correct time.

[@thegougy]

And you got a cellphone that is even more accurate :))

[@gmt3019]

Also luck of the draw. Sometimes you get a good one. Also, if it's in a relatively stable temperature environment, it will also perform more consistently.

[@ElCajondePepillo]

Citizen is very underrated, but I have this sensation that Citizen gives better products for less money than Seiko.

[@MrTeopantli]

Just watch a citizen come up with some gigantic monstrosity to put these in. Give me a beautiful watch 38 or 40 mm and I'd be saying take my money!!!! More than likely it'll be some gigantic 43 to 45 mm.

[@oes2546]

What you described you want is the Chronomaster then. Actually the only model we can be certain they'll put this in.

[@takdudung]

Good for you my man, it's in 38mm.

[@Emilmarch]

No need to compare, both Seiko and Citizen have amazing products.

[@sergejschuurman2633]

Beautiful haq technology. But the 9f has a twinpulse motor (stronger) and is completely sealed (less service). Also the second hand is better controled. And the day change is in a blink of the eye. So both movements a super. But a complete winner above the 9f? Don’t think so. They are Unique in their own leagues.

[@riccccccardo]

I have a Casio edifice tough solar eqw m710db 1a1er owned it maybe 3 years the auto time is such a headache to set I can’t do it took it to the Casio shop while in central London (now closed down I think near lion king theatre) and it went out of sync time wise year or so later. out of Greenwich mean time and worse the watch died! Guessing battery? I’ve sent it to watch shop and they said theyed send it to Casio I just hope Casio/watchshop not gonna charge me a small fortune considering the battery supposed to last years! FYI yes I always kept it in sun light exposed it’s my fave watch. My citizen eco watch still going strong for 3-4 years no issues other then its not auto time and headache to change time for day light savings.

[@WatchGeek]

It must have had an issue with the watch as all my Casio and Citizen watches perform flawlessly

[@riccccccardo]

Watch Geek if so I must be super *unlucky* as I treated the watch with super care. How much do you think Casio/watchshop will charge me for a repair, or dead battery etc??? Watch shop said theyed send me a quote what r reasonable prices to fix or replace battery in these watches?

[@WatchGeek]

I really have no idea of the prices

[@josealfonsosuarez1543]

Hace casi medio siglo, el Oysterquartz de Rolex tenia una precisión de 1 segundo al mes y era el mas preciso del mundo. En 1978 Rolex cambió el corte de los cuarzos, los certificó por COCS, cambió la inscripcion a las 6 de Oysterqyartz a las de "Cronometro Superlativo" y la precision aumentó a +6 -4 segundos anuales, algo que no fué superado hasta este siglo. Tengo el calibre 5035 desde hace mas de 30 años, lo uso a diario y no lo cambio por ningún reloj de este siglo.

[@ArnulfVonMetz1]

Citizen is better but underrated in comparison to Grand Seiko

[@MrShiggitty]

There's an interesting tangent of wealth that Asia has spawned. They care more about high tech than materials (some, not all, still a niche atm). For example, this watch, the highest tech in the world in stainless steel would be worth more than a less technologically advanced watch in platinum to certain individuals in Hong Kong, certain individuals with insane amounts of disposable cash. "Old money" (typically Swiss) is clashing with "new money" (super high end tech, typically China) as it were.

[@hyojoonus]

Grand Seiko should really go solar on their quartz. Service costs in money and down time is significant especially for the high end watches.

[@chevy4x466]

I prefer quartz. I enjoy knowing what time it is. Miniaturization technology was amazing. However, I find high end quartz a greater achievement

[@whatsonthewrist]

Good for Citizen, incredible accuracy! I think Citizen will have a market for their quartz feature.👍🤑

[@WatchGeek]

There is definitely a market there, they just need to make the actual watch on the same level as the movement

[@phillippugh2161]

Watch Geek that's the kicker cause so far there not close to the level of my grand Seiko quartz . Which by the way is the only quartzwatch at this time I'd even consider paying over $1k for actually mine was $2.5 k

[@SohanMeegahage]

Any idea if this citizen movement will have a sweeping seconds hand? i'm pretty sure the seiko 9f ticks, but the addition of ecodrive would mean that the movement wouldn't have much of a battery problem if htey were to go sweeping like bulova

[@WatchGeek]

This one ticks and doesn't have a sweeping hand, and I don't think it ever will as Citizen said the sweeping hand like the Bulova Precisionist (that is owned by Citizen) will remain exclusive to Bulova

[@SohanMeegahage]

Watch Geek true nicely said

[@pioleq]

V. H. P by Longines. More accuracy than 9f and the second hand matches the index od the dial perfectly.

[@armandojuan64]

I prefer solars and eco drives over automatic watches .

[@Lenmorey]

armando cardenas it’s not atomic

[@NathanChisholm041]

Same! I'm about to buy a titanium Citizen eco drive chrono..

[@oscargustavoarcosruiz8793]

If every watch collection must have a Seiko, it must also have a Citizen. Their technological innovations in the field of solar watches are unbeatable.

[@WatchGeek]

True 😊👍

[@ewcm1878]

@oscar unbeatable? Lol CASIO beat Seiko's and Citizen's digital multifunction watches for years.

[@Alexander-xv5lf]

@@ewcm1878 on solar system just...

[@karlstaengle8612]

I guess solar powered quartz movements are the coming thing, also with the idea of sustainability getting more and momentum. For reasons I don't understand it is more or less a Japanese game up to now.

[@christosswc]

My 100 euro Edifice watches lose a second a month, 2 secs at worst, even though they are rated at +/-20 secs by Casio. That's all the accuracy I will ever need. In fact my Seiko 5 that set me back 77 euros is a mechanical movement with still more accuracy than I will ever need, mine is accurate to a couple of secs a day. While I'm a sucker for accuracy, you will never get me to spend on a premium quartz that is off by a sec a year vs a sec a month, I know where to stop.

[@wolfschindler8921]

My G-Shock steel (not atomic) runs perfectly accurate if I wear it 24/7. Does not even gain or lose 1/10sec per month. INCREDIBLE!!! Runs perfectly in sync with WWVH! STUNNING!!!

[@coldshadow3480]

Good job with these news updates. Keep it up!

[@WatchGeek]

Thanks 😊

[@soilomasbello1156]

I admit that 1 second a year is really a great technical achievement but come on 5 or 10 seconds a year is more than enough.

[@toocoolforu]

wow, quartz watches are awesome! What next, computers in your pocket ?

[@xuantuhoang]

The Citizen with A060 calibre has already a GS 9F killer.

[@True-os6tg]

Citizen should come up with a dif brand for their high end watches ,

[@juliusviente6069]

I wish citizen would combine eco drive with bulova Accutron so you can have a sweeping hand powered through solar tech...

[@WatchGeek]

I want that too, but Citizen said long time ago that the sweeping hand will be Bulova exclusive

[@StellarBlue1]

I admit (like it was a crime) that I purchased a Citizen Eco-Drive. Nothing fancy, just a day-date model. It has kept phenomenal time. Still, it does not come close to my mechanical and autowind automatic watches. Yes, it is more accurate. However, it does not satisfy me in the way an automatic watch does. Quartz/Electronic watches leave me cold and uninterested. I do go to my Casio watches at certain times too. But I will never give up my collection of automatics. After all, they have a soul, unlike those robotic quartz jobs..

[@AsianCheeseToaster]

To rival Grand Seiko, they also need to put the movement in cases that are as good or better than Grand Seiko. The movement obviously seems technically superior, but will Citizen be able to trump Grand Seiko in terms of case design and finishing? Great video nonetheless!

[@WatchGeek]

That's my thoughts exactly

[@kevinc1001]

A yr later and Citizen has launched their 0100 movements the only problem is they start around $7,000+

[@WatchGeek]

Because they are in precious metal, I am sure they will issue regular versions as well with more acceptable prices

[@kevinc1001]

Watch Geek I believe there is a standard Stainless Steel model as well.

[@Andi0012345]

"The caliber 0100 is 33.3mm x 2.92mm; the prototype, in a sapphire case, is not, alas, for sale." from Hodinkee web site

[@WatchGeek]

Yes I say in the video it is a concept movement and that production versions are coming in 2019.

[@Andi0012345]

Watch Geek u did. But i was looking at the pocket watch which encasing the movement and thought , is that for sale? ?.... Nope. Not even that :(

[@swabby429]

I can barely wait to try one of these.

[@WatchGeek]

We'll have to wait 2019. for that

[@kernowzx2]

It is a very impressive movement, but not really news... Seiko HAQ from the 70's, Twin Quartz etc spring to mind.

[@WatchGeek]

Well it is news if none of those you mention are no longer produced. There are 3MHz Citizen movements that had +-3 seconds a year in the '70-is, but since they weren't in production for more than 40 years now, even if Citizen simply reintroduced that, it would be news 😄

[@tomcognilio1816]

It might just be me but I don’t like how Citizen has one name... think about Seiko-Grand Seiko-Credor or Toyota-Lexus or Honda-Acura... citizen needs to change the name for they’re grail premium watch line

[@stoundingresults]

Citizen is all premium.

[@als1440]

Wondering if its grand seiko priced?

[@WatchGeek]

We won't know until next year

[@superfast30]

I dont think it will outlast a 9F!

[@markoivkovic8371]

E koja je razlika iznedju casia ae 1100,1200,1300 ja nista nisam nasao pozz

[@WatchGeek]

1100 i 1200 su isti samo je izgled različit a 1300 je napravljen za sudce tako da ima 9 timera sa predodabranim vremenima ovisno o sportu i štoperica ima prikaz ukupnog vremena igre kao i zaustavljanja kod faula

[@markoivkovic8371]

Watch Geek ok koliko dindzi dodje casio 1200 valjda oko 5 soma nego koju narukvicu da uzmem onaj sa gumicom nikako koji bi ti uzeo

[@markoivkovic8371]

Watch Geek a ako uzmem metalni braca romi ce hteti da ga uzmu poz legendo

[@WatchGeek]

Ja bi sa gumom a cijenom su kod nas oko 600kn

[@markoivkovic8371]

Watch Geek e da o narukvicama koje su udobne:gumene,metalne,kozne ili one sinteticke NATO ako se ne varam

[@siddhantsaxena368]

when is it launching?

[@WatchGeek]

2019

[@monsterous289]

I still want to manually wind it though.

[@tejasvaze5659]

To put it into perspective, this is about 730 times more accurate than the "luxury" "Swiss" "COSC certified" marketing bullshit

[@arifrasheed5765]

Maybe next year casio lauch watch with accuracy of +/- 1 second per millennium

[@dillonkoch72]

Im done with citizen. Iv owned a citizen grand signature touring with the 9000 series movement. $1,200 when i could get it from a micro brand for $300 pissed me off so i returned it. If it was exclusive to citizen I would have kept it.

[@ewcm1878]

You don't call this "movement". With electronics it's called module. Also CASIO is the biggest name when it comes to Solar.

[@TopSecretVid]

What is the price going to be??

[@WatchGeek]

Nobody knows

[@TopSecretVid]

Watch Geek Looks nice though

[@WatchGeek]

Very nice

[@aHigherPower]

Man I've seen nothing in months from Citizen about this new exciting movement.

[@mrhrd7560]

Love this news, Man I Love Quartz movement, since almost my collection dominated by quartz watches

[@sbsb4995]

Mr Hrd congrats. Quartz is the way to go. Reliability and precision.

[@mrhrd7560]

ikr, mechanical is cool, artsy, and fancy spinning gears comes alive to tell the time... but in my case i love precision, gps & atomic timekeeping, solar and kinetic technology.. my astron never disappoint me during trip and switching between cities

[@WatchGeek]

I love and enjoy both for what they are 😊

[@svfutbol20]

I don't own a single quartz, they just don't feel special in the same way as a mechanical.

[@mrhrd7560]

svfutbol20 well we have different taste then 😁

[@FT4Freedom]

The AT crystal is long established tech. The solar and thermal is also not exclusive to Citizen. The only thing proprietary is the chip. These tech can easily be combined by Seiko and others. The crystal is high e consumption thus the benefit of solar. I think this level of accuracy should be provided as a standard in all qz watches. It's not magic.

[@theguardian3431]

Shots fired!

[@phillippugh2161]

The Guardian seiko....says bring it hahaha

[@Patrick-rd5vh]

I have a Citizen Eco-Drive watch and sadly the watch died after 11 years

[@mattfinish2196]

Amazing Video!

[@WatchGeek]

Thanks

[@eddiejones.redvees]

My Christmas present this year was bulover

[@peterrussell8409]

I'll wait for the Casio version.....

[@rhodes1591]

At USD 16‘800.- and sold out !!! 😱 … let’s browse for another one …

[@abd02400]

9F is about 2200e and 0100 is about 7000e...no comparison possible

[@genkifd]

lol looks better than high end mechanical movements

[@WatchGeek]

Haha true

[@Perfa-Pik]

Folks seem to have forgotten the Citizen 4 Mega quartz watch from the 1970's, which was accurate to approx +/- 5 SPY, which was an incredible feat of technology over 40 years ago.

[@Kip78956]

just know that the 9F is, as said in the video, 25 years old. if this is what citizen has now, i can bet any amount of money that seiko will out-do everyone again soon ;)

[@WatchGeek]

Actually, google citizen Chronomaster and you will see that citizen has had, for years now, a regular quartz (not eco drive) that has a yearly accuracy of +-5 seconds, so they have been on top for quite some time, when it comes to accuracy, but that model is sadly almost completely unknown outside Japan. And it also features independently set table hangout hand so you don't mess the perfect time when changing DST or time zones 😊 But I do think this might make Seiko answer, and I can't wait to see what they come up with 👍

[@gamewizard1760]

It's hard to beat +1/-1 second per year for accuracy. The cost of creating something totally new that keeps even better time may not be justifiable.

Eh? I thought Grand Seiko don't use Batteries?

[@WatchGeek]

There are 3 types of Grand Seiko movements: 1. Mechanical 2. Spring Drive 3. Quartz Only the third one uses battery

Watch Geek oh I just checked that on their website. Fascinating technology!

[@WatchGeek]

As the spring unwinds and the little "balance wheel" if we can call it that spins, it spins in between 2 coils with magnets creating a small amount of electricity that then powers the quartz crystal and the IC circuit that then uses those same coils and magnets to magnetically brake the spinning "balance wheel"

[@iXus78]

No need compare The Citizen Caliber 0100, just compare The Citizen Caliber A060 is enough and better than the GS 9F.

[@mantykarhu]

Solar = not opening the case as much. 👍🏼

[@WatchGeek]

Exactly 😊

[@weerobot]

Cool.

[@nightknight9415]

Seiko > Citizen

[@shyamsundhar2901]

What is BPH of this?

[@WatchGeek]

It beats once a second as its quartz but if you count in the vibration of it's crystal it would be equivalent to approximately 59.997.600.000 bph 😄

[@arnoldtm31]

Citizen already killed the 9F movements with the chronomaster line/ The Citizen JDM only (+/_5sec/year) several years ago. I have a chronomaster Ti from 2016. The normal Seiko 9F models only have a +/- 10sec per year accuracy, only some limited edition models are accurate to 5 sec.

[@gmt3019]

But... many report less the 5 seconds per year with the standard 9F. There are also special editions of the 9F that are rated to 5 SPY. I have a friend who hasn't touched his SBGX117 for just over 3 years and it's only +4 seconds. The 9F has one fundamental oversight, in that it lacks quickset hour hand. So you can't jump the hour hand forward or back without hacking the watch, which means crossing timezones will lose your accuracy tracking. The new quartz GMTs from Seiko do have quickset hour hand however. Citizen also has perpetual calendar, something with Seiko doesn't have.

[@myquickjab2098]

All my watches are citizens except one a luninox oh and a swess Wenger

[@sarahconner9433]

The rolex fanboyz have left the chat....

[@taunteratwill1787]

Very Slavic accent!

[@WatchGeek]

Very good 👍. I'm from Croatia

[@sarmadislamictv8433]

9f is beautiful , citizen o100 is not pretty

[@alexmood6407]

Citizen A660 is 9F killer.

[@anggahertoh8888]

Wow.. no money to get one.. sad Lul

[@harvardford8752]

Or, a grand seiko clone Depends on the fan base ahaha Get ready for alł the haters coming to rush in 🤢

[@harvardford8752]

I take it back No dislikes yet Dear god this is really happeniiinngggg I need this movement on a diver omg

[@phillippugh2161]

Harvard Ford no hate needed I just purchased my first grand Seiko quartz. Have you actually seen a grand Seiko in the flesh . Seeing is believing

[@harvardford8752]

Phillip Pugh I think you misunderstood my comment There are quite a few citizen haters/grand seiko purists out there that bash whatever they think is silly Not saying all GS purists are like that, only some but... they do exist...

[@phillippugh2161]

Harvard Ford while I get your point. The fact is as good as citizen watches are they will never be considered no more then tool watches very good ones but the level of passion that Seiko has especially the Grand Seiko level of fandom . Is something that's always be there between the two companies. There's plenty of watch makes that make accurate quartz watches Bulova being one of them with it's precisionist brand. Fact is nobody would dare pay over $500 for an quartz watch but grand Seiko. It more because of the level of build quality then if it gains are loses a second over a year

[@JayzBeerz]

First!

[@WatchGeek]

Hehe 👍

[@gamewizard1760]

It's not a Seiko killer. They released a limited edition version for $7400, but the movement is a stopwatch calibre, so it's massive on your wrist like a marriage watch. The second hand is also not smooth like the spring drive. It ticks once per second, so it's jerky, but it does land solidly on the second markers every time, to Citizen's credit. It's annoying to see the second hand on any watch miss the second markers and is a sign of poor workmanship or poor engineering. They will have to shrink it to a smaller size and try to get the price down if they want to mass produce them. For $7400, there are a lot of more prestigious watches that you can buy. You can buy a Rolex Oyster Perpetual without complications for $6000 or less, and people will be more impressed by it.

[@1701spacecadet]

One word: Bulova. They've been doing 256mhz quartz units for decades. Sorry, Citizen, apart from the solar aspect, you're not breaking new ground on this.

[@WatchGeek]

A few corrections, Bulova is doing 262 kHz, not Mhz. So their frequency is 262.000 Hz, while this one is approximately 8.400.000 Hz which is quite a lot more. Secondly, Bulova is owned by Citizen and they introduced their UHF quartz when Citizen took over which makes me think it was Citizen who designed their movements

[@quattro4468]

Battery. Disgusting.

[@gmt3019]

Auto's are antiquated. High end quartz is making a comeback. It's all jewellery anyway!

[@sbsb4995]

Citizen is always a better brand than Seiko. Seiko always cuts corners.

[@philipjames3294]

Can't see any corners cut on the Grand Seiko I own, the quality of it looks better than my Omega and Tudor mechanical watches.

[@trieunguyen5897]

Seiko cut corner on lower models, but when you get to presage and grand seiko models. Their quality is very good even better than most Swiss companies that come with higher prices tag

[@philipjames3294]

Grand Seiko is now a separate brand to Seiko, so the quality of a Seiko watch isn't really relevant to this video. I agree they are a lot better than a lot of the well known Swiss brands.

[@captain6939]

Trieu Nguyen as much as I love seiko! I have to disagree with you man.. on the presage line they in fact cut corners!! One is the leather strap (which is tough and not as good compare to the similar price point watches and the other being the plastic movement holder, which really sucks...

[@davidg1830]

I understand Seiko move to separate Grand Seiko from "normal" Seiko watches, but really I don't like that move: it is like if Seiko was embarrassed about "normal" Seiko, and what I liked about Grand Seiko was that it WAS SEIKO. I liked Seiko in top big and bright letters, and Grand Seiko in low position and smaller letters as a line inside Seiko. I was proud a GS was a first and always a Seiko, and I liked people saw it is SEIKO. If most people don't know this GS line, it wasn't a problem for me, as I bought that watch for me and only other people with enough knowledge can know how good it is. Of course, I understand move from Seiko separating brands, they want to create a more renowned name in top market. But I don't like GS brand: I like SEIKO brand. I think it is now less possible I bought a GS watch. In case I would prefer to wait for a anniversary edition with SEIKO brand in top and big letters and "Grand Seiko" in low position as always it was. You can call me conservative about Seiko heritage :)

[@deanagoes2791]

I dont like quartz movement...

[@debendragurung3033]

U are getting the whole freakin thing wrong. Wrong at so many levels. Grand Seiko is mechanical watch with only the escapement arm controlled by quartz oscillator. It has limited to none silicon chip. The primary drive is still the coil spring not the battery. The capacitor(in MicroFarads range) it charges releases as little as few microAmperes of current just enough to oscillate quartz. Power reserve in newer movement is upto 8 days all on the Spring... The Citizen here is pure battery powered movement with a battery(not a capacitor) , and currents in 100 times more in milliamps range to drive the motor, escapement and everything that moves. Its rather comparable ti the SeikoAstron GPSsolar watches- that houses battery powered by Light, and also syncs with GPS. These watches for Seiko are lot more easier than the GS spring drive, thus the price difference....

[@WatchGeek]

I'm sorry but you are wrong, you are talking about Spring Drive (9R) which is one of 3 types of movement by Grand Seiko, with the other two being mechanical (9S) and a regular battery operated quartz movement (9F) go to Grand Seiko web page and see for yourself

[@8AP1]

debendra gurung - You couldn't be more wrong. As said already, the 9FXX series are thermocompensated quartz used in the Grand Seiko line. They have been out for some time now. There are even some special editions that are actually rated to +/- 5 SPY. Seiko even make their own quartz crystals.

[@debendragurung3033]

Perksie81 Ok . Yet , the Battery powered Quartz isn't the charm of Grand Seiko. The Spring Drive is the real deal. I see it as the marriage of traditional watch with the modern concept. Since I've heard that quartz due to its piezoelectricity oscillates at frequency 2^15 Hz(32768) , which were indeed used to master clock frequencies of Microcontroller . Behold the age of Silicon revolution and Quartz as it's time keeper - And Seikos Incorporated that very concept to control time keeping was geekiest moment of the time. Of course indeed making a higher frequency oscillators is no big deal as today the CPU frequencies is at GHZ level, But what matters is the concept. Even better was the Spring Drive mechanical movement with escapement arm controlled by Quartz. It was the true marriage of traditional with modern era. It incorporates essence that revolutized the past and the present.

[@8AP1]

debendra gurung I don't understand the relevance. This video is comparing two HAQ quartz models between the new citizen and Seiko calibres. Spring drive is awesome, but nothing to do with this video

[@debendragurung3033]

Perksie81 This Video clearly mentioned the average loss in seconds per year in the quartz time keeping to be a threatening factor for GS. Which directly correlates with the oscillator frequency of piezoelectric crystals. After quartzs phenomenon were discovered we had number of crystals with higher frequency, and better yet we have developed non quartz based RLC circuit to resonate at higher frequencies now at GHZ level used to control time keeping for microprocessor. The Citizens more precise time accuracy isn't a defining trait to make it more superior over Grand Seiko. Your mobile or even a standalone Casio G shcok can beat it by large margin. But what's beautiful about GS is the Spring Drive, and minimal scale current to quartz oscillation. Also what's more fascinating about quartz 2^15 frequency is it rhymes with the binary digit code. 2,16,32,64,128,256,1024 ..... 32768, which are Geometric power series of 2. Which scales up exactly like your generational RAM memory increases.