IWC Schaffhausen Ingenieur Automatic 40. The Gérald Genta icon is back! Better than ever!

[@WatchAdvisor]

The IWC caliber 32111 has absolutely nothing to do with an ETA caliber! It is not based on any ETA caliber because even the dimensions do not match. The IWC caliber 32111 has its origin in the Richemont group. Internally, a basic automatic caliber was developed for the different group brands according to their own specifications. The brands Baume & Mercier, Cartier, Panerai, Piaget, Roger Dubuis and Vacheron Constantin use it manufactured according to their own internal specifications. IWC also gives its own specifications and they are the toughest among the mentioned brands. The caliber 32111 is partly built at Val Fleurier and also assembled at IWC. IWC even plans to manufacture the movement in Schaffhausen in the future. As I mentioned, the 32111 is a bit bigger and thicker than the ETA 2892, it also has 120 hours of power reserve. The escapement is also different: it is a 20.2 escapement with 6.3 milligrams of inertia. The ETA has a 20.3 escapement with 8 milligrams of inertia. Whoever writes here that this calibre is "questionable" and/or it is an ETA caliber and/or it is based on an ETA caliber is deliberately spreading false information. The same applies to those who don't understand why this case drawn by Gérald Genta looks like it does. This is also everything but a copy of the Audemars Piguet Royal oak and Patel Philippe Nautilus. Sometimes it would just be better not to write anything!

[@Nom_AnorVSJedi]

Strange how so many watch KZbinrs just casually mention it’s not an in-house movement.

[@danielharyanto6713]

I personally believe that this movement cant be said as fully in house. As the movement is still shared to other brands. In house means that most part of of the movement is built inside the company, and not produced to be used by other company. Even the base plate.. so yes. I somehow agree that its not in house

[@Alucart111]

I Agree with you~Mr. White

[@WatchAdvisor]

@@danielharyanto6713 It is a platform calibre of a luxury group. The result of such a development, when costs are shared and various specialists from brands work together, is a very, very good calibre. I prefer to buy something like this, that might not be 100 % in-house, but instead is just technically better…

[@danielharyanto6713]

@@WatchAdvisor i agree Alex. Nowadays producing a fully in house movement demands a very high cost. Thats basically why many watch brands are gathering together under the same company like richemont or Swatch groups. Still a very amazing watch and looking to get one soon

[@ivanharlokin]

It looks really lovely, but where is the on-the-fly adjustment for the bracelet? How is it that my JLC Gran Sport from the 1990s manages to have micro adjustment on its butterfly clasp, while IWC still can't manage it thirty years later on a watch costing three times as much?

[@vintagedigital108]

no need to compare with other brands, just compare with their core polits and portugieser model. Price absolute bonkers eapecially when its asking bug pilots money for a bracelet that is inferior than the mark xx

[@_DioBrando_]

JLC is a top class watchmaker. IWC isn't at that level.

[@superfast30]

Finally, an Ingenieur model worth of the name. The last couple of generations were shadows of that the model truly represented.

[@Angelito_Noreaga]

This watch has really blown me away. It's got me reevaluating which watch will become the final one in my rotation. It's stunning in every aspect.

[@milanwester912]

This is by far biggest event in tje last decade. Genta Ingy looks better than ever. Thanks for great presentation Alexander

[@kostar500]

Why did IWC price the Ingenieur so high? On purpose? This iteration is great but 12k great?

[@stu632]

I have been on at IWC to release this for years, but with a display back and a competitive price point, say 8,000. 12,000 is ridiculous and an extra 3 for titanium!😞

[@MKGamingInvesting]

Absolutely! The Mark 20 is nearly the same and only costs 6000€

[@jkm1059]

It’s pretty competitive compared to its cousins designed by Genta

[@vintagedigital108]

Dont forget that the bracelet is more inferior than the mark xx

[@tompattinson5784]

Agreed I have the older model which came out 2013 and paid £3,500 for it! Mad the way watch prices have gone. 8k max this should have been priced at.

[@stu632]

@@jkm1059 Yes but it is not a member of the holy trinity and s twice the price of the last model. Just because Genta had a hand in a design doesn't mean you just pluck a price out the sky. And they are late to the game, should of done this 5 years ago.

[@JohannBauermeister]

Gorgeous. I'm sold. Too expensive? Rather buy something else- this is the beauty of the free market...

[@WatchAdvisor]

Love your comment! Thanks for sharing your passion with us! Keep us posted… 😜

[@stevens1041]

Incredible release from IWC. They have done well the last several years, with each release.

[@Arseization]

I really like the watch but I think the list price will be the limiting factor. They are asking more than other Brands for more complicated watches that are completely (and honestly truly) in house.

[@EtherealSky]

Great design. However, 12900 EUR without any complications?? And the surface finishing is so mediocre. Omega did a better job with half of the price!

[@oscarthomasfifa4871]

This watch has the same movement as the baume anf mercier riviera which is 3k!!! To say this watch is overpriced is an understatement!!!

[@jkm1059]

Get your facts straight before you run your mouth. it shares the 35111 from the mark 18 not a sellita sw200

[@jeremydahm2124]

❤Wow. What a killer release. On my list. Can't wait to try one on. Well done IWC❤

[@stevenleearee9765]

I am very confused about IWC's pricing strategy for these - a watch with the same movement in the aquatimer range is $ 7,000 and this Ingenieur is 11,700. Am I just paying 4,700 just to have a Genta design??

[@MrOkC247]

Everyone talks about the price - what exactly are you looking for in a watch? Gerald Genta designed the AP Royal Oak, Patek Phillipe Nautilus and the IWC Ingenieur. When AP and Patek Phillipe charge minimum $30,000+ for the Royal Oak and $36,000+ for the Nautilus - if you can even get one - no one says a word. The movements of the AP Royal Oak and PP Nautilus are NOT anti-magnetic, the have a subpar 48h-52h power reserve (Ingenieur has 120-hours) and they are NOT 100m waterproof. This watch took over 6-years of research and development. It has alternating brush and polishing that is luscious and in person the dial, especially the Aqua, is absolutely incredible. So if still you believe the price is not justified for an iconic, historically significant timepiece designed from the legendary Gerald Genta that is significantly a much better watch in terms of movement compared to AP and Patek’s sport timepieces - then I don’t know what to tell you. All things considered $12,000 is a phenomenal price.

[@stevenleearee9765]

@@MrOkC247 I think you are missing the point that I am trying to make. Let me ask you, is the design itself worth $4700? Firstly, don't compare an IWC ingenieur to an AP royal oak or Patek Phillipe Nautilus they are both finished to a higher stanndard than IWC calibre 32111 and in a different league to IWC -hence the higher cost, mind you I can't even see the movement on the IWC . Secondly, the Nautilus is rated to 120m instead of your claimed "NOT 100m waterproof". Better movement is highly subjective, there are people that are happy to pay for a movement that is highly decorated but doesn't have the best specs. If I really wanted to buy a "historically significant timepiece designed from the legendary Gerald Genta that is significantly a much better watch" - I would save $5,000 and buy a Cartier Pasha for $7,000 . Maybe educate yourself first before defending your favourite brand and comparing them with a big three brand =)

[@waffle168]

The ingenieur is finally back!

[@WatchAdvisor]

Yesssss

[@justinlangley9522]

never been much fan of IWC , but this one really got me ! that greenish/blue dial is beautiful ... and the Anti reflective coating at least in this video is out of this world! it literally looks like i could set the hands with my fingers! 2:05

[@Tomkhong]

Very detail video, thank you Alexander! This is one watch i really want to own soon. Yes the price is high for an IWC 3 hands watch, this is one watch that is true to its origin.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Keep us posted please...

[@coffeeboyclips1973]

When i saw this watch in the metal i was blown away, i actually like the white dial the best. Hopefully i will own it one day.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing your passion with us! Please keep us posted…. We keep our fingers crossed 🤞🏼

[@이초코핫초코]

Old camera scene is so impressive. Hahahhaha. U r such a genius!!! And of course, the watch is so nice. Thank u so much. 👍👍👍

[@WatchAdvisor]

Love your comment, thanks for sharing!!!

[@laammansi]

Unbelievable gorgeous watch 😮love it ❤ tnx for the great pictures and detailed explanation

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing our passion!

[@user-wi9nn6dz8w]

6:59 That adjustable clasp is indeed the best in the industry! It is produced by Brogioli SA, Switzerland and is available on watches ranging from IWC, to A. Lange & Söhne, Glashütte Original and Atelier Wen. I wish Blancpain would decide to also use that Brogioli clasp on its Fifty Fathoms watches - it would add tremendously value.

[@WatchAdvisor]

This is/was known… Thanks for sharing your passion with us!

[@billcore6295]

Great watches and video

[@nicolasalonso3012]

Stunning watch, absolutely insane price.

[@cozmos21]

I love that he said that they didnt make a quick release bracelet to swap it because the bracelet is part of the product. true to Genta original design.

[@austinzizzi1142]

Probably the best watch iwc has released in the past decade or more

[@jadomi2076]

I think that IWC have almost perfected the design of this handsome watch. Case, dial & bracelet are superb, I cant wait to see whats next for the Ingenuier. New movements, display case backs, precious metals, dial colours and finishes and so on.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing your passion with us! A full functional GMT/UTC “Ingenieur” with a blue dial would be mega cool…

[@dmytriypanchenko953]

Green dial is perfect!

[@time-out372]

Hey Alexander mit dieser Ingenieur ist IWC wieder auf dem richtigen Weg Chapeau geile Uhr....

[@WatchAdvisor]

Und wie!!! 👍🏼

[@markgads8017]

D.O.A. at that price. Otherwise may have been a huge success. Of course I may eat my words, but that’s how I see it based on comparable offerings and the state of the current market.

[@tangoESPECIAL]

Especially with the 2023 Rolex Explorer 40mm priced just under $8k and even with BS aftermarket markups won’t go above $10k

[@neoLover23]

Great job once again Alex

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing our passion!

[@Porchia87]

Thx for showing us. Especially I appreciate that you SHOW the watch and not like many others just talking abozt the watch and showing all the Time themselves ... Well the one in teal is my grail watch and expensive I will look how I can handle it ... 😅 It is absolute fantastic...gorgeous. I would like to know that if I decide the teal one, if maybe you could help me getting ohne? The Iwc Boutique in Frankfurt has closed for many Months Thank you Alto again!

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback!

[@remoschmid6525]

i had the opportunity to see this watch in person yesterday and it‘s absolutely stunning!😍 it‘s really perfect the way it is, a different clasp would destroy the look of the bracelet. i‘m 100% hooked, that‘s for sure.. 😅

[@WatchAdvisor]

I'm not surprised that you like the "Ingenieur". It is de facto a really, really cool watch. Much of the unjustified criticism will soon fade away once people start putting this IWC on their wrist.

[@remoschmid6525]

@@WatchAdvisor i couldn‘t agree more 👍🏼

[@austinzizzi1142]

I’m so proud of iwc for getting that dial right

[@hoosiercoinreview6428]

Best wrist shots, period 🥂 Gorgeous watch. Love the bevels and even beveled PCLs

[@ManoloVintage]

This would be beautiful in gold

[@pauledbrown]

Fantastic interview. The watch is beautiful and I’m going to try at the boutique when they are available. Price is definitely a downer. This should be less than 10k US. Also for a engineers watch this is NOT forward thinking. Soft iron cage? No silicon or similar tech. I think this watch could have showcased IWC innovation in movement tech and materials. Maybe they will come out with a version in all ceramic or ceratanium.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing! IWC has no access to silicon hairsprings... so you need a soft iron inner case...

[@KeepingWatchUK]

Love these. Though the markers on the white one in these videos are way off. Check them at 12 and 6 at 12:30 and compare with the 2 others…

[@gamusstalla1690]

Vielen Dank für den super Bericht, klasse Fragen und tolle Aufnahmen. Wie immer einfach Klasse. Mit grosser Freude warte ich auf weitere Videos in der Zukunft.👏👏👏👏👏

[@WatchAdvisor]

Danke für das nette Feedback! In den nächsten Tagen gehen weitere Videos online…

[@matty89ng]

I've never had an IWC but this watch is beautiful

[@mattdevenish83]

Thumbs for the intro 👍🏼

[@2mnyshp]

I was able to wear all of them at Watches and Wonder 23. I was wearing my Moser Streamliner and one thing I noticed it that the butter fly clasp on the Ingenieur and the Moser was the exact same. Not just a tiny bit similar, the clasp mechanism on both watches are the exact same! I found that really interesting!

[@WatchAdvisor]

There aren’t to many suppliers doing them…

[@etamarshamoil2739]

Yeah IWC outsources that. They also use the same manufacture for the clasp on their pilots chronograph as that of the Lange Odysseus.

[@WatchAdvisor]

@@etamarshamoil2739 Yep! A. Lange & Söhne, IWC and Glashütte Original use the same clasp coming from one manufacturer…

[@2mnyshp]

@@etamarshamoil2739 This makes sense. I the manufacturer known?

[@expatAussietez]

So cool with love the dial and bracelet

[@WatchAdvisor]

Probably the watch of 2023!

[@expatAussietez]

@@WatchAdvisor you may be right just wish it was a little bit larger for my 7.5” wrist

[@WatchAdvisor]

Try it! It fits perfectly…

[@user-wi9nn6dz8w]

11:31 @IWC I appreciate the honesty and transparency: “It’s calibre we have co-developed.”

[@WatchAdvisor]

The IWC caliber 32111 has absolutely nothing to do with an ETA caliber! It is not based on any ETA caliber because even the dimensions do not match. The IWC caliber 32111 has its origin in the Richemont group. Internally, a basic automatic caliber was developed for the different group brands according to their own specifications. The brands Baume & Mercier, Cartier, Panerai, Piaget, Roger Dubuis and Vacheron Constantin use it manufactured according to their own internal specifications. IWC also gives its own specifications and they are the toughest among the mentioned brands. The caliber 32111 is partly built at Val Fleurier and also assembled at IWC. IWC even plans to manufacture the movement in Schaffhausen in the future. As I mentioned, the 32111 is a bit bigger and thicker than the ETA 2892, it also has 120 hours of power reserve. The escapement is also different: it is a 20.2 escapement with 6.3 milligrams of inertia. The ETA has a 20.3 escapement with 8 milligrams of inertia. Whoever writes here that this calibre is "questionable" and/or it is an ETA caliber and/or it is based on an ETA caliber is deliberately spreading false information. The same applies to those who don't understand why this case drawn by Gérald Genta looks like it does. This is also everything but a copy of the Audemars Piguet Royal oak and Patel Philippe Nautilus. Sometimes it would just be better not to write anything!

[@user-wi9nn6dz8w]

@@WatchAdvisorHi Alexander, it's all good here. You and I are completely on the same page :) I am also fed up with people still spreading old news about IWC of 20 years ago. Likewise, I am also not a fan of people who say that IWC is now jumping on the integrated steel sports watch band wagon because that is simply wrong. I very well know that the original was designed by Genta himself. That's also the reason why - design-wise - I personally hold the Ingenieur in higher regard than the Vacheron Constantin Overseas that I own. As regards the caliber in question, I have the new Mark XX with the very same caliber and neither did I say nor did I wish to imply that this is an ETA caliber. I very well know that it isn't. It is a caliber that was co-developed with Richemont's movement company ValFleurier and is also used in some Panerai and Baume & Mercier watches. Absolutely nothing wrong with sharing resources in a wider group :)

[@user-wi9nn6dz8w]

@@WatchAdvisor That's all good and well. However, I suspect they only put one mainspring barrel into that caliber. It runs incredibly accurately when it is fully or near fully wound. Unfortunately, when I leave it in my drawer for a few days and it is in the second half and more towards the end of the 5-day power reserve the movement runs incredibly fast - way too fast. This happened just today when I picked up the watch after not having worn it for a few days and the watch was two/three minutes ahead of the actual time. It's definitely not a good look that IWC is using its customers yet again as beta testers for new movements. The exact same happened with the 5000 series movement some ~20 years ago - only one mainspring barrel with huge power reserve and then running super fast towards the second half of the power reserve. IWC has since fixed that by adding a second mainspring barrel but it certainly left a bad taste at the time. Sad to see the same thing repeat again with this movement now. Please don't view this post as unfriendly criticism or trying to put down IWC as a company. I am into my fifth IWC watch now and I am looking to add the new Portugieser 40 with the salmon dial for which I already put an order in with my authorized retailer.

[@seanp7871]

Beautiful watch .Open case back would of been nice , but all in all absolute stunner

[@WatchAdvisor]

The Ingenieur has a soft iron inner case for magnetic protection…

[@danr6175]

Great job Alexander! In 2023 IWC calls a soft iron cage engineering. Man such a beautiful watch, but with small tweaks they could have done so much better. One thing that has definitely been overengineered with this watch is its price.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Not really, its will sell like hell... The production 2023 is sold out already...

[@donaleeesio]

@@WatchAdvisor In a world full of idiots what better can you expect🤭

[@exalbino]

@@WatchAdvisorou mean sold out to AD’s? Price is very high, they are basically charging a premium for been a Genta design. Let’s see how the market reacts.

[@sn00ze88]

@@exalbino ADs and Boutiques already pre sold these products 2-3 weeks prior to W&W

[@sn00ze88]

​@@donaleeesio sure, you are the smartest person in the world. Others who disagrees are just "idiots"

[@Nottledim]

I just got the call that my Aqua is about to be shipped - can't wait!

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing! Please share some more thoughts with us once you have it… which clasp did you choose?

[@Nottledim]

No micro adjust - I should receive in a couple of days@@WatchAdvisor

[@WatchAdvisor]

@@Nottledim Cool! Congratulations, please share some thoughts with us once you have it…

[@vincentschneuwly9783]

To me already among the best releases of 2023, proportions and finishes seem just right and stylewise it's stunning. Cannot wait to get my hands on one, to me it has that "daily usability" you dont get with a Nautilus, Overseas or ROAK, a great watch for "the real world"

[@alexanderbender3082]

The retro setup blew my mind.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Us too! What about the Ingenieur? You like it?

[@alexanderbender3082]

​@@WatchAdvisor I like the design, and it's actually antimagnetic so they didn't screw that up, but it's literally three times the price of a modern Seamaster. So, that's going to have to be a no go. Cut the price to 5k.

[@_DioBrando_]

I love the dials, definitely thinking about getting this.

[@Ossory88]

Klasse Video und tolle Uhren, Alexander! Herzliche Grüße

[@WatchAdvisor]

Ja, echt geil!

[@davec3651]

Thanks for the in-depth look. Just a revival... they could have improved upon the previous version but made choices specifically not to add any features people would have liked, such as clasp adjustment, open case back, easy change straps.

[@cos-9113]

Excellent discussion and watch, thanks

[@Cerim112]

Great looking watch too expensive.

[@Kcseales]

No it isn't. Not for a Gerald Genta watch.

[@Cerim112]

@@Kcseales He is dead, my friend

[@Kcseales]

@@Cerim112 That's what demands the price. LoL. People pay more for dead designers.

[@_DioBrando_]

​@@Kcseales Genta didn't design this reference. The one he designed didn't have crown guards for example.

[@Kcseales]

@@_DioBrando_ Genta didn't design the Royal Oak to be this thin. Genta didn't design the way the Nautilus looks now. None of that has any relevance to why people want the Genta designs. They want it to be a part of history.

[@hmputra89]

6 years just for design? Doesn't it a little overdramatic?

[@AcmeRocket]

Not the most complicated or elegant release, (not it's intention) but for me, in it's class, the best release at W&W 2023.

[@NPrez-cv4jn]

I like it! Should have had a display caseback though. Showcasing a beautiful movement that matches the great design of the watch.

[@keltecdan]

They stayed true to the original with the soft iron inner case.

[@NPrez-cv4jn]

@@keltecdan I know but still, this would have been a welcomed update. Anti- magnetism today can be achieved otherwise (if that was the intent) just ask Omega.

[@keltecdan]

@@NPrez-cv4jn You’re right however I think IWC wanted to stick with how the original came with a soft iron case back. I think if they would’ve gone the silicon hairspring route it would’ve added more to the already high price of the watch. I wish they would’ve stuck with the previous 40mm pricing.

[@TheTown1864]

This is the best new release from WW, stunning! £10,500 for a IWC Genta designed sports watch, what’s not to love.

[@WatchAdvisor]

I couldn’t agree more!

[@fawazalshammari4580]

As a diehard IWC fan, I couldn’t move my eyes away from how beautiful this is. My preference goes to the black dial one but keen to know what’s your preference?

[@WatchAdvisor]

Wait until the second of December... then you will see my favorite color....

[@selespeed3]

i like it,. the dial is unique and original. only the blue green one is attractive.

[@analoguestills]

A brilliant piece! What a beauty. But I wished it was priced better..

[@marek8902]

Beautiful watch! One of the first IWC I would really consider buying. But not at that price. 8k max would be ok.

[@WatchAdvisor]

The price is not an issue... the production 2023 is sold out already...

[@yifanzhou4401]

Interesting to see there was so much discussion about the price. I think the price strategy is actually easy to understand here. As most people compared it to MK XX, +3.5k for the Genta design and better finishing etc. +2.5k for the "limited" "boutiques only" thing, so a bit less production (You can also compare the price difference between IW389404 and IW389401). Thats it. :-). Maybe most of people don't buy the second part, then this watch is not for you. And if you believe the price will drop later in grey market, just wait then.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Very interesting remarks, thanks for sharing! Do also see it this way: IWC already included the possible and most likely premium the parallel market would have charged and earns that money instead of letting these notorious greedy people earn it… IMHO that’s smart!

[@deewoo82]

so, if we don’t compare with MarkXX what should compare? They use same movements

[@tangoESPECIAL]

Over $10k but no micro adjustments and stated accuracy band ? Imho the new Rolex Explorer 40mm is a better deal than this Ingenieur. For $7-8k this watch would have been great …. But not for $10K+

[@j.m.4444]

And for an modified ETA movement!

[@hoosiercoinreview6428]

@@j.m.4444 Those have way less issues than Rolex 32xx though

[@yaakovhassoun8965]

i'm a bit disapointed that the price went up 7000 CHF, it made what was attainable totally out of reach... it would have been nice if they kept their more affordable models too

[@stevens1041]

Yes, everyone needs to mention this. Its almost double the price as the previous one. Outrageous. Did they think we wouldn't notice?

[@chucknorth8804]

I own the baume and mercier riviera baumatic, which houses the same 120hr movement, a stuning watch, and about 10k cheaper. the five srews on the bezel of the ingenieur reminds me of the eterna trademark.

[@WatchAdvisor]

The B&M is powered by the “same” calibre yes… but its specifications are less good than the one IWC uses… in other words it is a cheaper execution of that base calibre … the brands themselves define the quality level…

[@albertocasoni6691]

Thanks Alexander, great review (as usual!). Since you got the opportunity to wear this IWC, what are your feeling vs a GP Laureato? Same wearability? More comfortable? In my opinion IWC is trying to cover market request from who is waiting for an AP or PP sporty watch, providing a nice product with Genta’ design heritage.

[@WatchAdvisor]

The IWC is the much cooler watch!

[@EdwardViaTomato]

10.8mm is a good thickness for it. I think they probably should've priced it right below 10k, just to say as much. But realistically, it's priced as it is because it's still the most affordable Genta integrated sport watch of today, I get it. Glad it has a solid case back and the soft iron core... but I would've also liked excess. With Omega going up to 15,000 gauss resistance now, for less than half the price, I'd have liked similar over engineering for the Ingenieur.

[@bbrebozo6417]

Very nice. Biggest decision is aqua dial in steel or titanium. Are bracelet adjustments with the steel or titanium like the pilot 43 bracelet (spring loaded)?

[@BenMwatches]

What is the dial aperture for the Ingenieur?

[@WatchAdvisor]

~30 mm…

[@pollu_73]

Magnifico, semplicemente magnifico.

[@WatchAdvisor]

L'orologio dell'anno per me

[@nenadcubric2663]

In Marine ein Traum❤

[@WatchAdvisor]

Gefällt mir persönlich gar nicht… Aber Geschmäcker sind verschieden…

[@cozmos21]

truly great job. the design improvement from last generation, thickness, bracelet integration, the dial and even the choice of aqua green are a complete success imo. only curious about the polished center links in the bracelet. polished on aqua and brushed on white and black? what an iconic watch house IWC is with so many great collections. Pilots, Mark, Portuguese and Ingenieur

[@WatchAdvisor]

All the best, I keep my fingers crossed!

[@j.m.4444]

J. M. vor 0 Sekunden Ein Val Fleurier Werk welches auf dem ETA 2836 aufbaut, eine 2$ Alibaba 08/15-Faltschließe und eine Ziffernblatt im Raufasertapetenlook. Da hat man die Cost Cutting Vorgaben von Richemont perfekt umgesetzt. Die Preise sind passend zum kommenden 1. April. Unabhänging davon ein sehr informatives und erfrischendes Video.

[@WatchAdvisor]

The IWC caliber 32111 has absolutely nothing to do with an ETA caliber! It is not based on any ETA caliber because even the dimensions do not match. The IWC caliber 32111 has its origin in the Richemont group. Internally, a basic automatic caliber was developed for the different group brands according to their own specifications. The brands Baume & Mercier, Cartier, Panerai, Piaget, Roger Dubuis and Vacheron Constantin use it manufactured according to their own internal specifications. IWC also gives its own specifications and they are the toughest among the mentioned brands. The caliber 32111 is partly built at Val Fleurier and also assembled at IWC. IWC even plans to manufacture the movement in Schaffhausen in the future. As I mentioned, the 32111 is a bit bigger and thicker than the ETA 2892, it also has 120 hours of power reserve. The escapement is also different: it is a 20.2 escapement with 6.3 milligrams of inertia. The ETA has a 20.3 escapement with 8 milligrams of inertia. Whoever writes here that this calibre is "questionable" and/or it is an ETA caliber and/or it is based on an ETA caliber is deliberately spreading false information. The same applies to those who don't understand why this case drawn by Gérald Genta looks like it does. This is also everything but a copy of the Audemars Piguet Royal oak and Patel Philippe Nautilus. Sometimes it would just be better not to write anything!

[@jeremydahm2124]

Cannot wait to see these in precious metals!

[@AcmeRocket]

You will be waiting

[@ThatBoyMGee]

Beautiful. The price is just 5 k too high. Unfortunately.

[@WatchAdvisor]

You must be kidding…

[@robertposteschild2353]

@@WatchAdvisor The movement is a modified eta clone lol. IWC is a ripoff brand that charges way too much for their watches

[@ThatBoyMGee]

@@WatchAdvisor not at all. The watch is beautiful. But what justifies this price tag? Explain it to me besides the great design. A similar watch from IWC is priced at at least 5 k less...

[@robertposteschild2353]

@@MrOkC247 This is a re-issue of a genta-designed watch from long ago. You're acting like genta himself designed this watch. And please don't bring in AP and patek's pieces either. I'm not saying they are worth 50k. This is what happens when you are too emotionally invested in an inanimate piece of jewellry. What likely happened is that IWC saw how much people are willing to pay for other stainless steel watches and decided to cash in on the hype. That's it.

[@combolife]

Great questions. The main one which you asked was, why did it take so long? Thank you.

[@WatchAdvisor]

You are welcome!

[@shipmate3577]

I'll buy one used and save 50% off retail price

[@WatchAdvisor]

Good luck finding one for that price… 😉

[@ygw6979]

almost there

[@Just-gw3dy]

Maybe Ingenier isn't a watch that anyone can put on their wrist. That is what the IWC is aiming for and the inevitable principle of the luxury market.

[@kamakf00t]

Very cool. Love the 90s versions. I will avoid falling in love because I don’t know that the price is quite right 🤔

[@pierre-andreliagre1762]

Excellent, many thanks, this watch is incredible, IWC boutique is just near my office, hope they will have one soon !

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing our passion! Please keep us posted and share some more thoughts with us once you tried them on your wrist.

[@darrenjones2070]

Beautiful watches!

[@WatchAdvisor]

Agreed! IMHO the watch of 2023

[@ericwip]

A great watch. Patiently wait for confirmation that Black dial one can also come with mirror polish centre link bracelet. Guess it will be much better if IWC forgets about both soft iron case and crown guards, comes with sapphire glass case back with 82100 calibre (same as one used in IWC Big pilot 43mm). If the insignia of 82100 also changes to Ingenieur flash arrow logo, will be perfect.

[@WatchAdvisor]

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[@yaaxarr8977]

Such an amazing IWC will all the things that I like most but very pretty EXPENSIVE!! My bank account will suffer a massive hit. Thank for the great content my fav speaking host.. Alexander !!

[@SonnyVisual]

Royal Oak Case and Dial with a Nautilus Bracelet basically

[@WatchAdvisor]

A Gérald Genta design…

[@SonnyVisual]

@WatchAdvisor ya we know that. im just saying its a cool combo of both.

[@bdegrds]

GP Laureato, Piaget Polo, Chopard Alpine eagle are about 4k CAD more for a very similar watch.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Have you seen the “Ingenieur” in real yet? Have you tried it on your wrist? Please share some thoughts with us…

[@user-wi9nn6dz8w]

They‘re all superior to this Ingenieur in terms of case, bracelet and movement finishing which is fine.

[@Sebastian85]

I dont`t understand why this watch does not have micro adjustments.

[@WatchAdvisor]

There is one!

[@user-wi9nn6dz8w]

I have the same caliber in the Mark XX that I bought. It runs incredibly accurately when it is fully or near fully wound. Unfortunately, when I leave it in my drawer for a few days and it is in the second half and more towards the end of the 5-day power reserve the movement runs incredibly fast - way too fast. This happened just today when I picked up the watch after not having worn it for a few days and the watch was two/three minutes ahead of the actual time. It's definitely not a good look that IWC is using its customers yet again as beta testers for new movements. The exact same happened with the 5000 series movement some ~20 years ago - only one mainspring barrel with huge power reserve and then running super fast towards the second half of the power reserve. IWC has since fixed that by adding a second mainspring barrel but it certainly left a bad taste at the time. Sad to see the same thing repeat again with this movement now. Please don't view this post as unfriendly criticism or trying to put down IWC as a company. I am into my fifth IWC watch now and I am looking to add the new Portugieser 40 with the salmon dial for which I already put an order in with my authorized retailer.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing! With all respect Sir your comparison is void since the two calibres have nothing in common… There are many possibilities why your Mark XX behaves as it does… To get the answer I recommend you to contact your local IWC dealership and let them take care of your watch… Once done share some thoughts with us please…

[@user-wi9nn6dz8w]

@@WatchAdvisor What I wrote about the calibre being the same is factually correct. Even IWC‘s web site shows that both the Mark XX and this Ingenieur have the exact same movement. 32111 Calibre Automatic, self-winding 120 hours Power Reserve Frequency 28'800 VPH (4 Hz) 164 Components 21 Jewels

[@aureliussch.2185]

Hi Alexander, great review as always! Do you think these will be hard to get in terms of rolex style waiting lists?

[@WatchAdvisor]

Due to the capacity for manufacturing the different watches at IWC the “Ingenieur” will be “limited” … there will also be no real advertising for it…

[@pendaranroberts4350]

It’s beautiful! Great job IWC. I’m going to wait though for the patents to expire so you can develop an anti magnetic movement and provide a see through case back. On my list though.

[@WatchAdvisor]

The one left patent should expire this year, but smart lawyers seem to have found a way how the patents might be extended… Check out this video and do also read the comments kzbin.info/www/bejne/omSbi2WJgappq9E

[@pendaranroberts4350]

@@WatchAdvisor I'm a big IWC fan. So, I really hope they can get access to anti-magnetic tech. I'll watch the video.

[@WatchAdvisor]

@@pendaranroberts4350 Won’t be that easy as Richemont wanted though …

[@pendaranroberts4350]

@@WatchAdvisor So the way this works is that they won't be able to use even the old silicon hairspring technology?

[@pennfootball71]

I hope they offer it so i can get extra links on my 8" wrist

[@Ppf9000]

Been waiting for this to be reissued, but as many have noted the price is way too high. I also feel the clasp should be flush inset like an octo Finissimo. Actually, the pricing here makes an OF a deal!

[@WatchAdvisor]

The price in fact is not an issue… the production 2023 is sold out already…

[@watchfan3378]

I like the watch, but for what you are getting it should have been priced at about $8000.

[@donaleeesio]

Hey Mr. Linz, Question out of the blue! Is this Ingenieur also a HEAVY METAR just like the other German contender brand which I don't want to name! Is the Ingenieur value for the money as well?

[@Nefville]

I am loathe to say it but these are too pricey. I'm not sure IWC is going to find a lot of traction establishing this sub brand if the base model is nearly $12k USD. Its Genta inspired/ designed sure but I don't think that's worth $3k on its own. Great size, great design, I like everything but the price. On a side note I'd love to see IWC revive some of its 1970s ads, they are absolutely hilarious and would get the brand cancelled in a second.

[@WatchAdvisor]

The price is absolute no issue... the production 20223 is sold out already...

[@derekbrettell8121]

I agree, I think it's priced too highly for what it is but it is a fantastic watch. My pick would be the green

[@trdaniel37]

@Nef Honest,funny & true.

[@BlagoP]

Could you do a comparison test between this IWC Ingeniur and the Zenith Defy Skyline?

[@WatchAdvisor]

I think so… later this year… good idea! Thanks for sharing!

[@DWilliam1]

Sharp looking watch. Like to see a GMT version…

[@alycks6056]

A chest board dial, beautiful

[@stephenrose3753]

Why not have the date window at 6 o’clock ? Much better for symmetry. Would compliment the engineered aesthetic and centre the bezel.

[@WatchAdvisor]

I don't like date windows at "6 o'clock" ... Tastes are different!

[@roybatty6368]

Butterfly clasp is awful. Cost cutting!

[@j.m.4444]

Totally agree.

[@roybatty6368]

@@j.m.4444 It's truly terrible

[@WatchAdvisor]

There is another clasp also available check our video...

[@atmavictu2995]

Price is nuts for these average time pieces

[@WatchAdvisor]

Have seen/touched them in real? Most likely not... don't write such nonsense please...

[@atmavictu2995]

@@WatchAdvisor They are still average for the price. You don't like my comments, fine I 'll just avoid watching your propaganda

[@WatchAdvisor]

@@atmavictu2995 Good bye! No need for such superficial comments here…

[@etamarshamoil2739]

In all fairness I don’t think the AP RO is worth what the are charging at retail either. Nor do I agree or like their secondary price. With that being said, yes the Ingy is expensive for the same movement watch they sell for less. But, I haven’t held it in person but from the imagery I’ve seen the last week it does look like a pretty well finished watch. Plus I’m sure they had to pay a little Genta tax to have his wife fly out to promote the watch. All in all I agree the price is up there for IWCs standards. However, I wouldn’t discredit the timepiece on the inflated retail price alone I think it’s a killer watch.

[@WatchAdvisor]

@@etamarshamoil2739 Respect 🫡 ! You do really understand a lot about watchmaking and branding! Thanks for sharing!