Watching the Ip Man Forms Films will RUIN Your Wing Chun!

[@paklee630]

Actually, when these videos were filmed, Ip man‘s greatest student Wong Shun Leung scolded the students who ask Ip man to demonstrate, because at that time Ip man was really really sick😢

[@jeremybennett2100]

To a degree you are correct on the Ip Man videos. My first Sifu's Sifu (Wang Kiu) was in the room while these were being filmed. Ip Man was well aware that this footage would get spread around the world and that the VAST majority of people wouldn't understand the meaning/mechanics of what he was doing. He even did a few things wrong intentionally. What we don't see because of the editing is Ip Man throwing his hands up in disgust after finishing.

[@infestchristopher1457]

I don't believe in your religion and I don't know alot about Wing Chun. But what I love about your videos is that you're the kind of person who is an independent thinker. You don't go along about what's popular and not get influenced by someone else's charisma. That's exactly why I've subscribed to your channel.

[@ronobvious1785]

The comment where you wondered if maybe Westerners weren't taught Wing Chun entirely correctly is something that I've thought about before. Not just for WC, not just for Chinese arts, but really, for any art coming out of the East. Chinese, Japanese, whatever. As for doing forms slowly, I don't think that it's necessarily bad. It could be, if that's the only way you ever trained. If you also train with speed and intent, then I don't see the harm in doing some slow drills too. There's things to be learned from both approaches.

[@mikeycrabtree123]

I am a RN. I have spent the majority of the past 5 years of my career working in geriatrics, caring for those who are either actively dying or relatively soon will be. From my perspective, the Ip Man videos are ridiculously impressive, but that's because I know the circumstances around them. Ip Man died relatively very close to the time these videos were recorded. I feel Sifu Izzo is completely correct in his assessment. Ip Man is unarguably a major figure in modern traditional Wing Chun and as such deserves every bit of the veneration and respect he receives, but these videos are of an actively dying man who is in the end stage process of being completely ravaged by disease. The fact that he was able to perform these forms at any level considering how ill he had to have been at the time of these recordings is beyond impressive and borders almost on miraculous, but as an RN who has spent more time with this type of patient than he has with his own family over the past 5 years, I can see the obvious fatigue and wasting that is caused by advanced cancer. That type of fatigue and general weakness is literally life draining. I strongly feel Sifu Izzo is absolutely correct. These videos should be watched and revered for the gift that they are, that Ip Man should absolutely be given his all due respect, but disease and the horrendous fatigue and weakness it causes has obviously degraded his ability to physically perform in line with all traditional teaching that I have ever encountered. To attempt to base one's own Art by exactly copying these videos is to prepare to fail catastrophically.

[@tyvinson2510]

Not sure anyone would base theirs on it tho? You must think you need to be a RN to know he is weak, fatigued, etc.? Don't really think a 20 something 30 something healthy person would take rest breaks to catch thier breath jsut because Ip Man does here? BTW, I'm an RN who works has worked on an ACE unit as well as geriatric hospice patients. Doesn't give authority nor you. I just used common sense.

[@elpeleadorr]

this video was shot not even 15 days before the death of GGM IP MAN, while his throat cancer had become widespread. His closed door and faithful students as well as his sons explained that he was in so much pain, that he had trouble raising his arms which is why some of his movements like the bong sao was not accurate. DAI SIFU BOZTEPE, closed door student of GM KERNSPECHT and GGM LEUNG TING EXPLAINED this in a video of one of his seminar shot in early 90's.

[@simonwyndham]

There’s a few things going on here (cool that you used the colour restoration I did using AI). Ip Man was dying, although you can cross reference with the book he did when he was in slightly better health. Apparently Leung Ting has other film that was taken years earlier when he was in much better health, and he did the pole and knife forms as well. There is a really shitty set of highly compressed images from the pole footage on the internet. The thing to understand here is that this footage creates fascination because it is some of the only available footage of a historic Wing Chun figure. There is footage of other legends such as Fung Chun and Sum Nung, both who have much more claim to be ‘original’ Wing Chun. The latter growing up during the cultural revolution, and being mixed race, really did have to defend himself on multiple occasions from Red Guard goons. I agree with you though. There’s a lot of unchallenged dogma in Wing Chun. Don’t get me started on the whole Ip Man timeline and Leung Bik nonsense! I used to have some pretty good email conversations with martial arts scholar Stanley Henning. His research had some pretty solid grounding for Wing Chun origins that really would get the veins on the side of Wing Chun cultists going! But, as you will probably agree, the origins of the fighting method you practice doesn’t mean much when your head is getting dragged along the sidewalk!

[@J-Bones87]

Izzo my stayle of karate that i've been doing going on 6 years has it's roots in white crane kung fu, and your wing chun videos helped me to improve my karate,

[@amk8411]

I've yet to get around to watching any of the *Ip Man* movies but I have seen *The Prodigal Son* with Yuen Biao many years ago.

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

He's referring the actual video tapes of ip man performing the forms not the Donnie yen movies lol

[@amk8411]

@@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812 Once I watched the entire video I worked out where I'd gone wrong by typing my comment early 🤣🙃

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

@@amk8411 oh okay I see lol. Was just checking

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

@@amk8411 but the movies are, really good movies tho Js

[@stevebeight4473]

Watch them! They are fantastic

[@Simon2k17]

The reason you do it softer and slower is practice to stretching open the joints and facia. Stretching open the arms, the back, and focusing on stretching the spine downwards. Eventually, once you get good, you try to get to the next stage and do full body breathing from your pores. This is the chi. The vibration from the strike is the by product of building these two skills reintroduced back and combined with your muscles. The next time you relax, throw your strike and tense into the impact, it's alot stronger.

[@IzzoWingChun]

fantasy foo

[@Simon2k17]

@@IzzoWingChun is that not how you train internal power? The first skill is sinking/rooting/basic structure, the second skill is cultivate energy. The way you suggest is practicing muscle contraction. My takeway from your video is that wing chun should be external. No disrespect to anything you say. I just wanted to add my two cents.

[@Taniwha123]

This guy has got no idea what the form is for​@@Simon2k17

[@Taniwha123]

​@@IzzoWingChunyour WC is a bigger fantasy...

[@Bagoth2]

Adam Chan's videos on internal power is veey enlightening on that subject. Also, his thoughts on internal power in wing chun is really interesting too

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

Ps had he been healthy he actually would have been moving much much much slower, he was just showing what the basic movement of the forms are not actually training them. They are intended to be carried out in the same manner as qi gong exercises are done, particularly siu nim tao but that is something that should be incorporated into every movement your body makes throughout daily life

[@1anep]

All facts! Thanks Izzo!

[@2gpowell]

By the way, what does William Chueng teach? I have observed several of Ip Mans original students teach as well as, Ip Ching, Ip Chung students and their wing chun is completely different why? I happen to be an instructor/student of one of Ip Ching's Sifu's/Grandmasters and I am baffled of the difference in style.

[@deanmarshall1650]

Its an older style taught to Ip Man be Leung Bik. Leung Bik was Ip Mans second teacher. Leung Bik was an outcast of the Wing Chun World in that time. The system does work effectively especially in the modern world where everyone wants to take you to the ground.

[@2gpowell]

@@deanmarshall1650 Interesting thank you.

[@deanmarshall1650]

Absolutely my friend.@@2gpowell

[@akadhsu]

There is nothing wrong with performing the forms like you are in a real fight, issuing real power from the hips. If all these old kung fu masters did sparring as part of their regular training like the boxers do regularly, it would have been a totally completely different story today.

[@QuentinKLEau]

Coming from Taiji Quan here. Saw that video more than 10 years ago and from a 79 years old guy with a throat cancer and smoking opium, I can guarantee you that there is power in the form. Of course it is relative to its physical ability. You can't criticize based on video if you don't know what they are working on. You have to remember yourself when you were noting that Wing Chun is mostly a set of concepts? Here, he is working on his core (check his spine) and connection, that's something I did not see before getting better with my taiji. I argue that the core power is part of what they call Qi power in Asian martial arts. Same goes with Chun Shong Tin

[@danielteixeira309]

You beard and hair look sick bro great style. I'm not a fan of wing Chun but I dig your style you seem like a good smart guy keep it up

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

Yes it can, but it can also greatly improve it IF you understand the reasoning of why ip man would practice the forms the way he did, which granted is not fully shown in those tapes, but if you are already training and practicing wing Chun then there is no need to go watch his tapes. So I'm about 50/50 on that statement.

[@808frontline]

Check out John Divirgilio’s Wing Chun from Hawai’i, one of the top students of Robert Yeung.

[@wingchun-sc]

Minor point, but the Ip Man footage is actually 8mm film which was later transferred to video... Some people will always look to a Name, and believe whatever that Name does is the only way to do something. Facts are outweighed by renown. And, as soon as you teach this awareness to someone, some new kid will come along and do the same thing all over again. Good stuff.

[@Pakua4581]

Just a random fact: These videos were taken by GM Leung Ting who was rich enough to afford a video camera at that point in time.There are recordings of all the three empty hand forms,the dummy as well as the weapon sets but only what we see publicly now has been released and the other footage is sometimes privately shown to long term students by GM Leung Ting.

[@SUF-py4ix]

Honestly I couldn’t care less. My Sifu has never told me to watch them. He’s shown me his forms by Yip man as passed down by grandmaster Yip Chun. You cannot get closer to the source than that. My other Sifu shows me the Yip Man forms as passed down from Wong Sheung Leung, again you can’t get closer to the source than that. Both are slightly different and I’m happy to be doing both. All Sifu before Yip Man would have ended up not being able to teach. What matters is while they could teach they did and passed on the gift from the creator. My Sifu’s won’t be able to teach one day. The only question that matters is did they pass on the gift as passed onto them? You did a video like this several years ago Izzo. Of course you were younger, thinner and better looking but have you passed on the gift as taught to you by your Sifu? If you’ve changed the forms you haven’t. The application can be changed and described as you see it but the forms shouldn’t be.

[@MichaelAshworth-wk1ql]

You know What , your the first , and I’m a fighter, a boxer Wing Chun practitioner let’s say, your the only one at present that’s giving me any faith in Wing Chun 💯👊

[@clubfootfitnessjourneys1135]

I think you raise some very valid points. Ip Man was on his deathbed doing this and that is impressive, but it should be taken as a respectful moment in his life and not a "fighting lesson". I take every video with a grain of salt. If KZbin is my sifu because I have no other options, then it's my responsibility to do some thinking and listening to do it correctly. I also recognize that there are different lineages that all teach something different and none of them are wrong, either. I look for the simplest feel of the movements and do them slowly. I learn a lot from a piece of wood because I listen to it.

[@YawYan_fighterAlex]

Every wing chun is different. if a real fight happens, The wrong wingchun will fail. The right wingchun will succeed. Please dude, respect ip man. He never said anything bad about you. PEACE ✌️

[@akadhsu]

well said.

[@huey7437]

Not looking to hear more internet drama but specifics on Where (in forms or technique) and Why you differ from William Cheung lineage?? (Other than the name which I realize can be divisive to the other lineages) It seems more catered toward combat with incorporating stepping/footwork in addition to shifting...but that's the extent of the differences I'm aware of Hopefully you could do some decently in-depth comparison/response videos. Look forward to your perspective.

[@chrisgermann6658]

At most we are encouraged in using the "core" stomach muscles... and utilizing hips along with the footwork when delivering attacks that might use a sinking motion or in fact to utilize maximum efficiency when delivering elbow strikes etc. The whole "energy" thing is why WC and many other kung fu systems get laughed at when placed in a test environment. Predominately against amateur MMA / ring fighters. Keep it real people and know your limitations.

[@billylo3560]

Please connect with the KFG and do a podcast together. Your both are great.

[@pizzulo8111]

Christ! Billy Lo!

[@mattbugg4568]

If you watch the ip man videos you will notice that it's almost like he is doing a different art from modern wing Chun. When you research the roots of wing Chun you eventually find that yes there is a sub art hidden in wing Chun. It's arahat hands. And the new creation is chi sau the original was just the pattern so the new creation of chi sau has changed the art the futher it has come. It's not that it was wrong or the new methods are wrong or right it's that it has changed from a person who did arahat hands with chi sau to people who do chi sau with arahat hands.

[@jackalofalltrades8705]

My guess is that Yip man had the art filmed for the art not to be forgotten or done right.

[@CaveMan72]

As a father with a three year old I often only get to train a few hours a week. If I had the kinda time they do at shaolin temples my iron palm would be phenomenal but right now its unrealistic

[@kahocheung935]

So are you telling me I shouldn't shadow box like Muhammad Ali when he suffered from Parkinson's syndrome?

[@IzzoWingChun]

I think you should do a lot of things

[@hoop6988]

If you shadow box like Parkinson’s afflicted Ali you’re going to look very weird.

[@scottwhitaker414]

You wouldn't exist without Ip Man and Mr Lee, get some respect

[@IzzoWingChun]

Which part of my acknowledgement, respecting the film only, bothers you so much

[@sardalamit]

@@IzzoWingChun when the ads started i scrolled down and read some messages. I thought that this video was going to be very insulting towards Yip Man. When i finally saw the video I understand your point and see that you have shown him reverence where it's due. But for some reason everyone here, including the gentleman above, think that you are insulting him! Don't understand it..

[@chrisgermann6658]

You did not watch all the video did you.

[@hkng8141]

My English is not good enough to listen the whole meaning of your's, but I knew those videos years ago, Ip Man was then sick badly, the reason of he doing those videos is for a record, for the next generations to learn or to know what Wing Chun really like at that time (originally). Becoz he was ill badly, we shouldn't imagine that how powerful he would perform...

[@philippelafortune-leroux1620]

Totally agree. Anyone not imprisoned in dogma should see that and understand that by themselves. Unfortunately it is not the case. Lots of sect like behaviour in the Martial Arts community, especially in the Chinese martial arts community.

[@WholeCosmos]

When you are a beginner slow and relaxed but as you memorize the movements you need to used power in intention. he was showing the form when sick and slowly due to his health and teaching. I was taught to do it slow and progress to doing it faster and faster as I mastered position and form. It's kinda like riding a bike..... too slow you fall over.... to fast you lose control. diving a car is the same, you have to time when you use internal power and expansion energy and contraction energy and slow down when appropriate. this is true of all martial art forms. performing them slow again after mastery once you have progressed is meditative and helps develop internal power and muscle memory. it's like a recovery day after working out hard you go through the motions without load. You're getting fat and out of shape rather than Yip Man skinny...both old. Yip Man smoked opium you eat too much.

[@benjaminpujols1914]

Well I imagine he knew his time was almost up and he wanted to be sure that people saw his art and him doing it and his son I believe thought it was very important to have this on tape so that he could also see it when his dad has passed away not all of us have the honor or the ability to do such things to have our parents do something that they love that is really cool and part of your family and have it recorded So that you can share it with the world

[@realherbalism1017]

I guess my question is, "have you chi saoed with anyone from the Chu Shong Tin lineage?"

[@goldendogger]

I like watching your videos and I also listen to what you have to say and appreciate you putting them out. I get what your saying. However, I come from Ip Man Wing Chun lineage. I have trained with my Sifu extensively and GM Samuel Kwok and even Ip Ching once as well. They both have the utmost respect of Ip Man. GM Kwok does value those videos as they are the only ones available seeing Ip Man doing the forms. For sure they are not at his best. He was dying. But there are things that can be learned from them. I think the best one he did was the first form. But if you want to get an idea of what Ip Man probably would have looked like in his healthy days then watch both Ip Ching and GM Kwok do the forms. Particularly the Wooden Dummy form. There you will see it all come together with structure, position, technique and most importantly the proper energy/power. They represent the “Wing Chun taught the original way” in its best form IMO. Best Regards brother.

[@808frontline]

Very true! And your statement isn’t even a questions it’s facts! The Chinese were treated as slaves when the railroads were being built, and in that era treated very poorly by westerners and I know for a fact that the Chinese held back a lot of information from the westerners and the Okinawans.

[@808frontline]

I study Hop Ga under Sifu Dennis Apeles, he inherited the Hop Gar /White crane school of Cheuk Tse, one of the most respected men in San Francisco in the past 100 years. I also studied under Bucksam Kong’s Siu lum pai Kung fu association in the 90s and we’d hear a lot of stories of Gung Fu instructors capitalizing on Americas fascination with wing chun and teaching them bullshit fighting applications.

[@SchooleyGT]

Whatever that dude did in the video wasn't Siu Nim Tao 🤣 that bong and tan placement were strange to say the least

[@johnwidener1536]

I think you're right! One, did the the Yip family teach Wing Chun correctly to westerners?!?! I'll never forget Sifu Heimberger always telling us SiGung Ip Ching changed something, or showed him a different way. It was never ending. It almost felt like we were being lead done a long, never ending road of changes. There's more I can say that Sifu Heimberger had stated that were very concerning, but I'll leave this here.

[@andrewmason8691]

I agree with most of the things you are saying in this video. The main difference of opinion is the practicing slowly and softly. The Wing Chun people I know who have been practicing that way for a long time AND practicing applications dynamically have some crazy power. Whether they can stand up to the pressure of a real fight depends on the individual. But I would say that about any self defence style. And you are right that it takes a number of years to learn to generate serious power using internal energy and minimal muscular force.

[@dr.dylansgame5583]

FR people don't understand that when trained like an esoteric art like at least 70 plus percent of Wing Chun schools of course it would be useless. But when trained like Boxing or Kickboxing it becomes a formidable defensive weapon. And if the practitioner is constantly building multiple defenses it's nearly impossible to beat if someone is trying to push in and engage you. It's not the best on straight forward offense however. But add stuff like Hooks, Uppercuts, and other techniques and it becomes formidable there too. Though it's a pretty straight on striking style overall like Bare Knuckle Boxing from the old days. Not the best when pushing for offense but when you need to defend yourself or someone else with someone pushing in on you. If doing it right you have over 100 defensive options many of which you can layer and stack at the same time. And these are bound to make your opponent make an opening or mistake.

[@ericrood4100]

That part at the 1:55 mark had me in tears.😂. "Hhoorrryuken!"

[@s1ked_416]

have you done an analysis on the channel "Mindful Wingchun"? The deceased master (I think he was 80 years old) taught the hidden internal power to his students, current teacher of this channel Nima King breaks down everything down to the smallest details that the teacher was doing with evidence of said power and also calls out the fake internal power "masters" that other ppl impersonate as. This deceased master lived with Ip Man himself and he was taught of this power by Ip man and passed down to his best student Nima King.

[@IzzoWingChun]

Anyone who uses "hidden" in their teachings is a fruad.

[@s1ked_416]

@@IzzoWingChun oh in that case, if I'm not mistaken, they don't use the word hidden. That's just me saying it. But you also have the ability to see for yourself instead of just telling me that...

[@davidkelly414]

Yes , indeed. 😊

[@GBlues1]

Why did all of these martial arts seem to work 50 years ago, and now today they are considered shit? Karate is bullshit, aikido is bullshit, wing-Chun is bullshit….etc, etc. Yet in the 50’s, 60’s, and 70’s, just about anyone that new even just a little bit of any of these styles was by far better prepared than most of the people that they would encounter. What changed? Don’t tell me it was MMA, because that’s b.s., too. People been mixing and matching different styles for centuries. So why now in the last 20 years are all these traditional arts considered useless, and ineffective?

[@eatgoodrealfood6273]

It's mma, and Bruce Lee.... Bruce was like a modern day confucious or Buddha, getting to the raw facts of martial arts and philosophy... The style is < than the being ... So any one style is ineffective against the techniques that are most effective from 5 or 6 styles

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

I can surely help you with that question. Are ya still looking for an answer?

[@GBlues1]

@@jestfullgremblim8002 sure. What’s your opinion on it?

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

@@GBlues1 alright then, i will start saying that i have practiced and studied all four of the arts you mentioned (Karate, Wing Chun, Aikido and MMA) along with others; but that is irrelevant as what i have done should really give me credibility, things should make sense by themselves, right? I just answered this before somebody asked me "how do you know x thing?" Anyways here we go! The first thing is that many of the traditional arts are actually NOT taught traditionally! Take for example Karate, basically no modern style of Karate uses the training methods of the Okinawan people, plus, "American Karate" was usually taught as just punching and kicking, not like the Japanese Karate which is often practiced today in America. So if training methods and techniques can change, many other things can change as well. For example, the explanation of the moves! Many moves in Karate, Wing Chun, Aikido amd other arts are explained in weird ways that make no sense: "Yes so in Karate we pull the opposite hand back when punching to create a flow of power that allows us to not be pushed" or "Yes, in Wing Chun we do Chi Sao to serve us as sparring and Chi Sao is a representation of how we fight" etc Today, we misinterpret moves, Izzo himself has mentioned how people do not understand Tan Sao, Fuk Sao or Bong Sao, which are literally the three main techniques of Wing Chun 😭 So how do you expect people to actually use the art? People do not understand what is supposed to be a concept/training tool and what is a literal move/technique: take for example the Shaolin Horse Stance and all of the flips and acrobatics they practice. Those are not supposed to be used in a fight, they know it, we know it; but if you blindly teach that to people and people keep relaying it for hundreds of years, they might misunderstand it. So yeah, we usually fail to understand the context of many martial arts. For example, Aikido (along with a Chinese martial art called Baguazhang) were originally taught to people that already were accomplished martial artists! So you already had to know how to fight and control your body in order to be accepted, so of course this people could use these arts, but if Aikido is your first art, you will fail greatly because you do not understand how a fight actually goes and Aikido lacks the tools to teach that to you (sparring!) Talking about context, both Karate and Wing Chun were originally weapon martial arts that also included empty hand techniques, did you know that?? And further more, these empty hand techniques were mostly grappling!!! If you were an Okinawan Karate practitioner, then you were a weapon user that was also an accomplished grappler and knew *some* striking (yeah, Karate wasn't so much about striking) and as we know today, grappling is very, very dominant! So of course that the old Okinawan masters were some monsters when fighting! Wing Chun people too, as many of them were skilled grapplers while their main concern was weapon work. So yeah, that Wing Chun stance that you see all the time was originally supposed to be used either with the Long Staff (called Luk dim bun gwan) or with the Butterfly swords (usually known as baat jaam do). We you see it like that, EVERY Wing Chun concept makes sense, and i mean all of them, you can investigate further about that, or you can ask me whatever you want to know about it. Furthermore, propaganda. Many used propaganda to make their styles look better. For example, Aikido people have never been really known for making their art work, only some of the very first students have (and like i told you, they already were skilled martial artists), and btw, Aikido is ALSO a weapon martial art 🤣🤣🤣 yeah, it's funny how almost every Martial art that "doesn't work", usually is a martial art made for something but that people want to use for something else, usually for grappling/weapons into striking. That list would include martial arts like Silat, Tajiquan (Taichi), Xing Yi Quan, Bajiquan, the Animal Kung Fu Styles, etc. All of those are either a weapon or grappling (or both) martial art that included some striking, because you have to remember that those arts were not made for sport. What i mean by this is that you can refrain from teaching kicks in Boxing because kicks are not allowed in Boxing matches. But if you make a martial arts that is made for war or just defending yourself/general fighting; then you cannot let anything unchecked, you have to teach punching, kicking, grappling, joint locks, weapon stuff, etc. You have to do that even if your expertise is something else! (Similar to how many Taichi masters started teaching striking even tho their strenght was grappling and weapons) so yeah i think that i really made this too long, i apologize. Ask me anything else, i have studied a LOT about martial arts, i love talking about them. I can also answer about other topics, i'll be here for ya

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

@@GBlues1 i really went overboard with my answer, didn't it? 😭😭

[@maduroholdings]

So what about those who choose to do the form with intent but super slow I really wish you could sit with one of those guys it's a most underrated misunderstood approach to the style

[@IzzoWingChun]

I wish you could comprehend that this has nothing to do with pace or intent, but mimicking him.

[@2gpowell]

The main problem is that it raises our expectations of martial arts training. I believe 50/50 offense defense. I Also, believe in pressure give / receive with lots of sparring. Thats why Kickboxers /Boxers are so damn tough compared to traditional martial arts. Learning traditional arts are fun but when it's time to get hit ya better learn to suck it up buttercup!

[@twooharmony2000]

11:38 coment, Internal power, I. Energy is about delivering. His being very moveabld because of low mass... I E, is not lump-sum,, having it doesn't mean you can do everything I E doable,, internal energy should be how he can hurt you landing hits on you-Ernie Moore Jr.

[@52blocksinfo]

SALUTE 🫡 TALK ABOUT IT

[@twooharmony2000]

5:15 Comment observational.-Ernie Moore Jr.

[@steffeno.7381]

You see if someone copies the footage if they lift the trousers leg before the kick.)

[@SchooleyGT]

I made the mistake of asking my Sifu a few weeks back why we do our form differently to Ip Man. And he said, along the same lines as you: "Do you really think there's any value in that? He didn't want to be filmed & he was about to die of cancer. How we do the form is all I'm interested in and all you should be interested in. Don't come to me with that because I don't care for how anyone else does it."

[@IzzoWingChun]

There are a lot of schools who change the sequences or even the movements a bit differently. But as long as the concepts are there, it matters.

[@danielteixeira309]

Ip man was short and he punches high not at chest level also his blocks and deflection also weren't at chest level he does not seem robotic he's fluent. I'm pretty sure application of anny martial art form won't be Exacly like the forms so WY be so picky a punch is a punch a kick is kick

[@marlonlo9661]

But specifically what aspects of his form will ruin your wing chun? His stance? His strikes? His positioning? Saying that he was weak and dying doesn't tell me anything.

[@IzzoWingChun]

did you watch the video?

[@user-qf3dd5pr10]

Ithink what izzo means is that ip man is weaker in that state because of his disease and he can't do a faster with slower pace of wing chun in stance, strikes, and positioning. What he means is don't do wing Chun in slower just like ip man do in this video. because it never works in real life, the only reason why ip man do that slower pace is for people to practice it's stance positioning and strikes defense. But also if you observer ip man is extremely weak in that point that he's trying hard to do the form without enough energy left to his movements.

[@user-qf3dd5pr10]

​@@IzzoWingChuncorrect me if I'm wrong

[@diablorojo3887]

This is the same problem the aikido community have, they take the videos here the old grand master is fighting for his life to stay standing and take it as the gospel of the form, this is disrespectful to the legacy, show a men in his low point.

[@Ben-ku9ss]

How can you ruin bulls**t? It's already ruined.

[@ruiseartalcorn]

Well said!

[@dennissnyder4104]

I can do a one fingure push up im no monk

[@huansitoaguilar9405]

I agree , if he had to fight as hard core at that moment of the film as he had fought when he was younger no way he'd survive ; mentioning his medical condition brought it home for me . Also Bruce Lee said " as soon as it becomes gospel truth " you limit yourself in a situation that's bound to get you in trouble . Not to mention it makes the martial art look bad when someone insisting " this is the way " { indirectly saying they're masters } gets their ass handed to them .

[@vingtsun1952]

He died either the next day or the following day.. he wanted a historical copy for the future...

[@trumplostlol3007]

Ip Man did not learn everything in Wing Chun. Search for Tang Yik. He actually learned the FULL 6.5 pole techniques. Tang Yik learned his Wing Chun pole techniques from his father. In China, you have to spend enough time in a martial art school for you to learn most of the stuff. And even if you spend a lot of time, you will not learn everything. Most sifus will reserve the best for his own family members. Tang Yik's father is KNOWN as the king of pole in Fu Shan. And the title was passed onto him when he went to Hong Kong. Tang Yik also had some footwork that Ip Man didn't use. Particularly, Tang Yik can move sideway, not just forward all the time. Perhaps it is time to restudy this lost art called Wing Chun. Tang Yik at the age of over 70 had very good footwork and body structure.

[@brokeheartwolf3733]

🙏🙏🙏🦉🦉🦉

[@davefletch3063]

Movies have tainted martial arts of all stripes, particularly in western minds. A good example is how monkey kung fu always shows some scrawny and weak practitioner imitating an actual monkey. Not long ago I watched real monkey kung fu training and it was a serious martial art. Made me rethink a lot of my assumptions

[@adhyjc8]

Where did you see it? What did they do? And what was it like?

[@Taniwha123]

Bro you have no idea about the Forms and what they are used for...thats why your WC looks so mediocre at best ... you never learned properly that much is apparent..and who the hell are you to judge ip man's forms .

[@kevnev007]

Siu Lim Tao is meant to be performed slowly. Anyone that performs it quickly is doing it wrong.

[@IzzoWingChun]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA

[@derek3136]

You should try it at all different speeds and tensions..."fixed" stance, rising and falling stance...etc. You paid your money, you learned it, explore it because its now yours

[@IzzoWingChun]

@@derek3136 1,000,000%!

[@normanwalford9426]

Only one section is to be performed slow. When you get to the biu jee you will be able to understand. Ask sifu Izzo.

[@chrisgermann6658]

Not to my understanding.... 1st section is building up energy, 2nd section is releasing it!, 3rd section is a mix of the two...........so it's not all supposed to be completely slow. To my understanding this is about training muscle memory to deliver power and speed when it's needed. SLT is a tool for a purpose and like any tool it needs to be understood to gain any benefit.

[@robertjohnson3140]

These were the last videos ip man did as he was dying of cancer of the throat.

[@iggymcgeek730]

Some would call it a lackluster example.

[@tysondurr50]

Embarrassing for the old man. There's no way this is how he'd want his legacy remembered. This was supposed to be private footage for a close student. It was never intended to be released publicly. Not even kind of good wing chun.