Waves Curves Equator, Mysterious ABLETON NEWS!! New Elektron leak and more (WNN)

[@fritsvanzanten3573]

The catch with all this automatic stuff is programs are made with rules. These rules try to create what people like. However, our brains are wired to prefer mew and changing things, so once rules are made to make what we want we start wanting something else. Rememmer the 70s with 48 channels/tracks and months in the studio. Remember Rumours by Fleetwood Mac 's Rumours, The Eagles? What did we like the next year? 96 channels? No, three chord punk music. Then came synthpop. After analog synths with increasing polyphony came FM, completely different. Then came Big Hair Rockbands with their pointy guitars. Then came grunge. Then house, dance, trance etc etc. There's one certainlty: once you got the rules, they're outdated. Because they are rules. And we are people, humans. And never the twain they will meet. In music at least.

[@NOLNV1]

This is apt when it comes to music tech because with this shit there's a significant lean toward the tech side, and technology (often) develops linearly, so they don't really understand what art is, also, the craft itself is important to artists, bypassing the craft to reach some "efficiency" and thus the intentionality of using your skillset makes the art of creation so damn unappealing... or I'm speaking out of my ass here, it's how I feel

[@tortieville1984]

I'm never going back to Waves due to their Waves Update Plan. When I pay for VSTs, I don't want to be charged again when I buy a new VST from the same company. I don't regret it either. There are so many better companies out there now.

[@MultiSkillsTvCh]

1000000% Agree 🙌🏻..

[@tortieville1984]

@@MultiSkillsTvCh I bought a new computer early this year and there's no way I'm paying hundreds of dollars to use plugins that I owned for years due to their WUP (which I personally view as bait and switch tactics...think you are buying perpetual but not really). Plus, when I bought my Waves plugins their prices were way higher than now. 15 years ago Waves was the best VST manufacturer. I don't think that is the case now. I don't miss their VSTs at all. I think Softube, Arturia, Eventide, SSL and many other VST makers are setting a higher bar quality-wise. I missed VocalRider for a while, but that was out of laziness. Automation isn't that hard to do for vocal leveling.

[@pulsarstar]

Rock on bruuh!

[@infiniterift]

"We literally went from outside the club to the inside the club." bruh...💀

[@mixphantom0101]

Melda's MSpectralDynamics and TB Pro Audio's DSEQ3 have had a learn feature for years. Whenever a plugin company claims "unique" or "first" it's usually B.S.

[@nofood1]

but one plugin to do it all is always better, I’ll wait for the demo let’s see…

[@DaveChips]

I have gripe with Melda and Ozone regarding CPU. And Melda can sometimes be overwhelming... But if there is that one specific issue, I can count that one of Meldas will be able to do it. Unfortunately I still haven't tried SmartEQ and Waves... But if they are CPU efficient to run on every track for mixing that would be worth looking into, at least on my side...

[@markwincek6688]

Came here to mention DSEQ3. I would HIGHLY recommend! The depth and ease of use it offers is the perfect middle ground between Melda and soothe. However, I don't think I'm using the learn function right. The settings it suggests are never as aggressive as I aim for. Almost seems like it offers the inverse value that it wants (+8dB instead of -8dB). Anyone else notice the same? Also the waves plugin in the vid seems to be doing way more with it's learn function than DSEQ3. Can't comment on MSpectralDynamics learn feature because I can't really figure it out, lol.

[@mixphantom0101]

@@markwincek6688 I forgot about the "A.I" learn... basically useless! Waves Equator's "learn" is just capturing an average of the signal to use as a threshold - which is what SpectralDynamics, DSEQ and DSP Pro's DSM (and quite possibly the original spectral compressor) have. DSEQ3 calls it "custom threshold" (which is exactly what Waves just claims to have invented!) ;-)

[@Noxal99]

Smart EQ from Sonible is already doing this.... And it also communicates with other instance of smart eq. Nice try Waves tho.

[@cainamaturo]

thanks, was gonna mention it. it's also from a more likeable company than waves and the UI is great compared to waves stuff

[@DmitryPuffin]

Ableton MOVE trademark has classification of musical instrument. So its controller or standalone device of some sort.

[@Woolookologie]

my bets are on something like a super compact standalone push

[@farley333]

​@@Woolookologie I'd be pissed. ...I do love the big one. 😅

[@frankcoronabeats]

I Love Waves . But the fact that u have to keep buying Licenses for the plugs you already own is wild to me ☠️

[@AlexProgOfficial]

Agree

[@stiptreezy8481]

True but at the same time it’s not that big of a deal when all you lose is updates if your license runs out. The fact I can still use the plugin even if the license expires keeps it worth it for me. 🤘

[@stiptreezy8481]

I mean let’s be real, a lot of those updates are just GUI things anyway 😂

[@frankcoronabeats]

@@stiptreezy8481 bro they need to add lifetime access.

[@bontempo1271]

@@stiptreezy8481 It's not just plugin updates, what's more important is OS & DAW compatibility. This is a major problem on Mac

[@EchoKraft]

I stopped using waves years ago, but then when they lowered their prices, I ended up buying more of them. They make great stuff.

[@pulsarstar]

Wait for the licence updates knocking your door.

[@drrodopszin]

TDR Nova GE listens to your audio for dynamic suppression. It also learns audio. I've found it though to neuter sounds sometimes. But maybe the waves plugin will be great to pick up for 29$ dollars some time later.

[@ilandzmusic7848]

lol I knew u would say something about 12.1 it’s been soooo long

[@rebirth4119]

I think what devs are failing to notice is that while you want your full synths/instruments to generally resemble the frequency shape of pink noise(its balanced per octave), you still want certain resonances that make up the formants of sound. These give tonal qualities and transient information. Waves could have already made the plugin better by allowing for you to reintroduce certain dry(uncompressed) formants back via a spectral gate or option to isolate certain frequencies of the delta(in parallel ofc).

[@jayakamakshianandamayi7461]

but there is a dry/wet function at least so allowing parallel compression / eq / ..

[@stiptreezy8481]

If it works as well as soothe then soothe might be in trouble with the waves pricing 😂

[@Music-tg5is]

1:02 - The FL Studio creator Didier Dambrin (gol) has some competition in the forehead department.

[@nofood1]

Came for the waves, stayed for the Diddler

[@slayabouts]

I think the waves thing is a good idea. Yeah, those things already exist, but they’re in separate plugins and having them all in one makes it easier. That ad was straight cheese though

[@BernardShreveJr]

A new channel member here (and "Waves" shill ) to the channel- I got the Curve Equator plugin. I started learning to mix with Waves plugin sets a long time ago (the dark ages of a DAW), so now I can "selectively" pick my plugins now. I still had to do more than one click to EQ a mix by the way . However, I am going to spend more time to really dig in and find the most value (and purpose) of this plugin.

[@AirArtStudiosOfficial]

This sounds so good❤ and the price is good

[@amp4105]

One click, that's all we need.

[@Absolute585]

I can't wait untill I can master my mix and distribute it to all channels by looking at my project side-eyed.

[@larrytan73]

Should get some reporters doing live on the spot stories

[@fritsvanzanten3573]

After and like MELD and ROAR MOVE has four letters too.

[@Cosmonaut1999]

Ableton Move is just them convincing artists to relocate, or they’re moving HQ. Nothing to see here….other than probably motorised faders to link with Push?

[@227]

The new Waves plugin is meh, to be honest. The learning function was useless when I demoed it, and setting it to a fast attack did bad things to the transients. Felt like the plugin was always doing way too much or way too little and never finding the middle ground.

[@Weaverbeats]

gonna have to try it out, they made it sound good "on paper" it's waves though, i wouldn't be surprised if its an L

[@oldmenwithnewguns5997]

@@Weaverbeats I like it, at least definitely better than smooth operator.

[@eccentricballad9039]

YO beaver dropped another one !!!

[@dankeplace]

he left a skid mark on the floor

[@markwincek6688]

TB Pro Audio's DSEQ3 was mentioned in another comment. You should do a review if you haven't already. It's a crime that soothe is still considered the default.

[@GhostSamaritan]

I think we will reach a point where a DAW has natural language commands so you can tell it "remove boxiness from the lead vocals" or whatever and it gives you a few options.

[@whosrobertseed]

equator is for sure one of the plugins of all time

[@b00ts4ndc4ts]

I can't wait for the plugin that does everything for me and I don't have to have the idea it just does it. (Sarcasm)

[@Blofehlt]

Move might be motorized faders for ableton ? Or somethng like the push but for the arrangement window ?

[@Six2Nine]

Wavy!

[@yaveeya2992]

Sounds like THE BALANCE from Phil Speiser plugins!!

[@saardean4481]

Elektron could put even less keys on Tonverk and add more Octave Up/Down buttons. Maybe 1 piano key is enough and then 20 transpose buttons. Makes it more desirable

[@croay]

1:21 I don't think Gullfoss is at any capacity related to the second one (traditional equaliser) lol.

[@LipazMusic]

Ableton Move: “Computer hardware for music and sound production; digital controllers for musical instruments in the form of audio interfaces; Musical instrument digital interface (MIDI) controllers; equipment for creating and editing music and sound, namely music sequencers; music and sound samplers; bags for computers. Musical instruments, in particular electronic musical instruments; sound effect devices as musical instruments.”

[@Powhart]

Roli is going to reveal something huge on October 8th as well

[@Pintosonic]

The fact that even Costco are making public statements to not be dragged into Diddy’s story is hilarious. Who cares where he bought all those baby oil bottles. It’s not as if these were controlled substances that required the seller to keep track of who are the buyers and how much they buy.

[@organsmoothie6186]

isn't the waves plugin almost exactly what NASKO's spec comp is?

[@Fl4ppers]

Elektron Tongue Verk? Like pressing a 9v battery to your tongue.

[@shaunhirsch7668]

Umm i use tdr ge nova got it cheap, pretty sure it has all these features.

[@MrAw3sum]

Its not a resonance supressor like soothe or smooth operator. It is a dynamic eq

[@5t3w]

Ableton ddr pad?

[@Michael-xr5yx]

my guess - "move" is some kind of wearable mpe controller

[@Weaverbeats]

that's a good guess but also a batshit insane product to make

[@Michael-xr5yx]

@@Weaverbeats true. definitely a niche product, but I feel like no one has done it well yet and it will be done well eventually. Would be cool.

[@bontempo1271]

How do we get Waves to majorly reduce their WUP prices ?

[@tebogoipotseng2485]

where is your reaction video for the "all temu studio"?

[@Weaverbeats]

posting it for members only probably today

[@apoplexiamusic]

The FBI also needs to pin Kanye West for what he allegedly did with Diddy.

[@sylvoen]

i think "tonverk" is supposed to be german actually. the real word would be "tonwerk" which translates to something along the lines of "soundworks"

[@christianvoithenleitner5923]

Yes that is 100% German based, greetings from Germany

[@duncan.o-vic]

Except this v in place of w is a weird choice. They could have just named it Tonferk, like what your grandad would call a big f*ck in front of kids.

[@Sonmz]

I guess Ableton is going to release a "gesture controller".

[@Music-tg5is]

I believe that 'TBProAudio DSEQ' has had an AI learning de-harshness feature for several years now.

[@zonashi8645]

Spectral compressor free. Learning the eq spectrum is pretty intuitive tho. I’m not giving them boys 40 for that tho. I got a brain that learns lol.

[@mxnace254]

sounds like izotope to me

[@benjoe999]

Not everyone is using EQ for mixing only.

[@ritchxmusic]

Yeah their subscription model to get updates and what not made me lose trust in the company forever. Waves will never win me back

[@drucartier2164]

Soothe married Smart EQ

[@synthstuff9250]

Elektron is a Swedish company so it's likely a Swedish word. Pretty easy to figure that one out.

[@inwex8350]

I'd probably get more Waves plugins if they did less videos.

[@------YeahOK------]

Ableton Move sounds like Android or IOS version?

[@Weaverbeats]

not sure, they have ableton note already for ios, so idk why they would change the name for android

[@towerrunner4675]

Yep, since FL Studio Mobile exists, they can't use "mobile" anymore. 😄

[@scole402]

Tonverk means "tonal works" in Swedish

[@eren3390]

turkish word tho

[@scole402]

@@eren3390 yes! tonwerk is turkish, germans barrowed it. in swedish it became tonverk. linguistic history is crazy

[@MoveTrueRecords_]

They stole this from RESO actually

[@therearenoruleshere]

They are so king of selling you the same shit they sold you replicas of other brands' plugins as ONE plugin 💀

[@neilmcnasty]

Learning needs to trained! IOW: You actually need to know what you are doing before it is able to replicate your pattern and do it automatically by a single click! If not: you are simply clicking and activating a template/preset.

[@jonathanscarletmusic]

So it's a rip off of smart eq from sonible?

[@WilliamAshleyOnline]

uh, how does it know what sounds good with the song? Like isn't making sounds sort of what music makers do? Like how does it know what I want it to sound like? Do I need to get chipped for this to work right? Is this that AI chip being like oh is making the same old stuff again I know just what he wants.

[@MitchMichelleOfficial]

Equator is the best of the resonance plugs. And to say that all waves plugs suck is something you might wanna reconsider. Yes a lot of their plugs are dated. But my god, they’re still damn useful. And i am definitely NOT a fan boy. Facts are facts

[@N8oRMusic]

Make your music sound flat. Fuck yeah!!! Waves ftw

[@Pheekofc]

Saying you don’t need an EQ again is sort of silly. First off, there are enough EQ on the market so we already don’t need a new one. Second, I love EQing so why get rid of it?

[@Nathanxxyyxx]

Why you deleted the video where you were saying that this plugin is a scam?

[@yungmaple]

overprocessing? u mean just a lil bit more processing till its fixed

[@Weaverbeats]

yes

[@goobstersroom]

The waves equator is super underwhelming. It sucks and the UI is atrocious

[@Beatsbasteln]

I feel like everything about this is just ragebait. you are ragebaiting by saying 'waves made a good plugin??' like the quality of their plugins was why people don't like waves. but the dude in the video is also ragebaiting with his 'i don't need EQ anymore' stuff, like that's such a blatant lie, there isn't even a doubt about it. EQing is to making music what multiplying is to math. Resonance surpressors are just the latest cherry on top of the cake of innovation that has grown over decades of plugin development, alongside a lot of other innovations that are equally fascinating in audio, like AI, spectral effects, max4life mudpie generators, modular systems etc. innovation will never stop in this field, because it's just fun and people want to work like that. Hype aside: It's just a new plugin, it's surpressing resonances like Soothe. Idk how good it does that, but it's cheaper, because it's from Waves. And it also lacks support after a year or something, because it's from Waves.

[@Weaverbeats]

Well to be fair almost all of their plugins are completely unnecessary. The only ones i personally use are vocal rider and clarity at this point. But yeah there are other reasons not to use Waves.

[@Beatsbasteln]

@@Weaverbeats i once had waves tune. that was pretty cool as well. even if you used melodyne more for vocal correction, waves tune can export the vocals to MIDI, including pitchbend information, which can be super interesting feeding into a synth. and it's kinda annoying that i can't do that anymore as it's actually such a fun workflow, but i couldn't convince celemony to add it to melodyne. they even told me that they tried that before and didn't like it! i told them maybe just make it a tickbox for the midi export window, but it didn't happen yet

[@MrAw3sum]

Whats the point of half their plugins, only one i actually use anymore is oneknob filter maxxbass and rcompressor. C1 i guess can do Deessing and L1 sounds ok. But i really dont need a new EQ since the stock one in DAW has linear phase mode and dynamic mode and l/r or m/s mode.

[@dffgffffffdddddddddd]

​@@Weaverbeatsidk why you make videos on this anymore, plugins are just 99% UI and marketing now at least for the basic utility stuff

[@mygoogle1525]

​@@dffgffffffdddddddddd Mayve coz he enjoys making videos?

[@mysteriousstranger9496]

Weavy got some major egg on his face. He should have known better than to ever take Waves at face value.

[@farley333]

DSEQ blows all Soothes and Soothalikes out of the water, just saying. 🙃

[@WilsonTheArchitect]

the "new" learn feature is all but new, sonible (smartEQ) had that for years WITH resonance supression WITH frequency de-masking (it communicates between instances of the plugin), it's really nothing special

[@homebrewinstrumentals7700]

My bet is Move will be Abletons 'FL Mobile'.

[@Weaverbeats]

they already have that its called "note" its for ios only though

[@homebrewinstrumentals7700]

@@Weaverbeats ah cheers man

[@le-berry]

There is nothing to 'learn'

[@sergioflores5565]

Tonwerk would mean Tone Factory in German ;) There are more languages in this world than English, as incredible as it seems.

[@eren3390]

its in turkish, not german tho

[@sergioflores5565]

@@eren3390 if you say so.....🤷🏽‍♂️

[@rottendowntime]

WNN = W

[@SheikRonMC]

It's kind of funny I was just looking for something to watch

[@OpenUp.]

bro, you are on youtube😂😂😂😂😂😂there is always something to watch

[@SheikRonMC]

@@OpenUp. I literally just opened the app and this video popped up is what I meant

[@dankeplace]

If you have OnlyFans, I'll watch you.

[@moskva-kassiopeya]

As much as I would like to purchase the new Waves plugin I don't like to pay for it a year later. So no, thank you.

[@AudioReplica2023]

So waves stopped making the same tools Dif name already? 😂

[@suffist]

I'm going to upgrade from Live Lite to 12 standard on the 6th, so I might hold on a bit now. I have Cubase 12 Pro and Bitwig 5 Studio but I prefer Ableton, plus Bitwig goes all funny after a couple of hours. It starts with the kick and the low end, it goes all staticky. It gets worse and worse until I have to switch it off. It even affects the other DAWS until I switch Bitwig off.

[@karolis.burzinskas]

Soothe and all of the similar plugins mostly harm signal, because 99% of producers tend to overdo it. So the lazy ones that doesn't give a shit about mixing engineering make better overall good-sounding music if using only a transparent limiter on the master track and using some kind of a meter to measure LUFS, that's all.

[@Emily_M81]

someone else will make the Waves plugin better and I won't have to give Waves money

[@Weaverbeats]

Some people have some alternatives in the comments. Dseq3, reso, and smart eq are some off the top of my head

[@debeshyouveheard1987]

Move I bet is just a chord progression device like they recently introduced in FL for lazy people.

[@dankeplace]

Is this live? how do we chat, Is Dame still hiding?

[@Weaverbeats]

nah im gonna go live in a few hours or less though

[@dankeplace]

@@Weaverbeats yeah schweet, look forwards to it. What I was trying to let you in on was a well known YTber, Espen Kraft with 90 Subs was saying Hardware synths are a scam, you may want to look into it.

[@Weaverbeats]

i reacted to it near the end of the last stream. i feel like a lot of the synths he listed were def overpriced or just a vst inside a keyboard

[@dankeplace]

@@Weaverbeats oh bummer I missed it. You know he got most of the prices wrong? The worst thing is he just sold off a bunch of vintage gear at highly inflated market value.

[@spamytv]

Can’t wait to pirate this :p

[@Penthox]

1:15 Its those 3 combined... therefore new thing

[@stevievictory9164]

good lord the elder millennial forced apathy and condescension is insufferable.

[@DesoloZantas]

I wonder if they'll come out with a "Smart Compressor" next, lol. In my opinion, they’re doing what Apple does-acting like they're first to invent something when other companies, like Samsung, have been doing it for years. Apple tends to take existing ideas, tweak them, and make them feel special or unique. I think we're going to see more of this with a whole series of similar products.

[@Xstatic1975]

Reso also has a learn function

[@billyolsson3340]

that waves plugin is pretty ass not gonna lie ;/ looked good in trailer but kinda sucks irl, imho

[@kevinochoa6429]

That learn functionality also isn’t new, Sonible Smart EQ has had it for ages

[@Weaverbeats]

smart eq isnt a dynamic resonance supressor, but it does what their 2nd plugin does

[@KozmykJ]

Sonible ...

[@doubleaceprod]

They mixed Phil Speiser - The Smoother with Soothe and called it "new". That's wild...

[@edwardmartin7090]

it's not unique, didn't sonible smart eq do this first?

[@Weaverbeats]

smart eq isnt a dynamic resonance supressor, but it does what their 2nd plugin does

[@madbaron228]

Waves is in Israel?

[@Weaverbeats]

yeah we aint opening that political bag of chips today though lmao

[@Arcessitor]

As cool as Equator seems, isn't it just Soothe/Dove + Ozone/Sonible Learning algorithm? What's new here except they put all of it in one plugin? Wouldn't them appropriating all that tech mean that EQing has evolved over the last 30 years?

[@pauldolman7487]

I wouldn't buy anything Waves no matter how good the plugin is, their licensing model sucks just like Adobe.

[@Riktenstein]

It’s not just waves, but their eco system drove me away. I just down want to open that door of disappointment again.

[@adiiancu891]

Waves beta tester here - its actually fucking nice and its kinda idiot proof even if youre not sure what youre doing.

[@adiiancu891]

it prevents you from overproccessing in a way that even if you 11 those knobs - youre not ruining the singal as much as you would have

[@VPROXE-HELLRAISER]

🤢🤮 waves

[@danceswith7wolves]

We don't need no false controls

[@shabbadahutt358]

EQ Shai-ster