Waves LV1 Classic - Second look

[@donzpressplay]

$8K is hard to beat! Going to be hard for me to continue recommending the Avantis Solo when I’m consulting people in that price range

[@joevegna]

The price is very competitive. Avantis is still a more foolproof solution. It’s hard to mess things up. But for sound and power this is a nobrainer in my opinion.

[@johnmcvicker6728]

@@joevegna Thanks for this part-2 video. Quick question - can this unit or even any of the Waves servers - use any and all the Waves plugin catalog? Or any limits? Obviously it comes with Tune Real-Time which immediately adds some value for a typical Church or even pub-location user. Is it an X32 "killer" - well, still priced above that budget level. Is it an SQ7 killer? Hmm. Avantis killer? Maybe the solo. I just think though that the church crowd will have a little tough time making it "volunteer friendly".

[@joevegna]

All LV1 can use basically every Waves plugin with some exceptions. However some plugins have too much latency so the might not be suitable for live. Lv1 might not be "volunteer friendly" since it's possible to mess things up. So for that reason SQ and Avantis is a good option. For everyone else I would say this is a nobrainer.

[@TheThortoy]

They should ditch the long fader on the screen because it already has a physical one at the console. And show the detail like a Digico S series, Allen avantis, it should be very nice.

[@joevegna]

Not a bad idea. Something for the suggestion box.

[@ReneElizarraras]

brilliant, no need for the faders to be on the screen at all

[@russelmurton1561]

Give me more detailed meters instead, or an option to toggle per mixer, as sometimes its nice to have touch faders on screen seperate to your faders so you have more things accessible at once. At least let me make the faders disappear per mixer.

[@spick1923]

What if you want to have a separate mix on the screen like mixer 1 on the faders and mixer 2 on the screen? why would you want to loose that power? am i missing something here

[@joevegna]

@@spick1923You still have that option, just as if you were to have a FIT controller.

[@millionaire9122]

What’s your take on the Behringer Wing, their pre amps, plug-in emulations, stability, reliability and sound quality overall?

[@joevegna]

I haven't tried it so I can't say too much about it. I guess it's a nice box for the money. Nice with a surface with a lot of knobs and faders and stuff. I kinda miss some of that on the FIT/Classic.

[@ledgersolutionsuk]

You got any info on the new v15 update? Anything ground breaking that make it worth updating?

[@joevegna]

If you're not going for the immersive IEM stuff there isn't really any jaw dropping news. A bit underwhelming to be honest. There will be a video later this week.

[@johnmcvicker6728]

Some touring bands are now using the LV1 platform (maybe not this unit) for their FoH and I suppose their monitor mixing too. Just learned that popular mid-sized touring band Newsboys (Christian rock) moved from DiGiCo to LV1 a while ago.

[@joevegna]

I’m not surprised. It’s a great sounding system that is very flexible. I’ve been touring with this for almost 2 years and I couldn’t be happier.

[@CraigDouglasproducer]

Queensryche is on LV1 as well

[@joevegna]

@@CraigDouglasproducer Oh, cool.

[@aaronaudioguy]

Dirty Loops uses the LV1 system. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4bEnJamg7usaMk

[@jthunderbass1]

It’s number one on the rider for me.

[@DanBamberProductionServices]

I have the 64ch LV1 already and too many plugins to count!, can I buy this console and throw all my licenses in to it?

[@joevegna]

Absolutely. The console has Waves central installed so you can just transfer all your licenses to the console or simply have them on a usb stick and just plug in.

[@mashzmash]

Seems like the demo unit was probably running a pre-release of v15. Notice any notable big features aside from immersive iem?

[@joevegna]

Yes it was an early V15 version. Not really any changes compared to V14. So I expect a lot more features in the public release of V15.

[@djmxp]

I think I’m going stick with my current lv1 setup. I don’t see any significant changes that would interest me. My screen is adjustable and modular so there is no need to upgrade. I do love the overall weight of this console though 😊

[@joevegna]

Yes I’m thinking the same. For those who start with nothing this is a great solution though.

[@spick1923]

If a component breaks in (lets call it LV1 modular) I can simply replace that one part easily and probably have a back-up on me, the show carries on and no one knows the difference. If anything breaks on classic, I have to deal with customer service to get a new console. Plus there's the whole deal of running host from stage which makes cat redundancy a non issue as Joe proved by showing how you can pull the cable out and the show will keep running. I'm struggling to see gains only losses by switching to classic. This is really only suited for engineers who prefer turnkey consoles imho.

[@joevegna]

@@spick1923 You are absolutely right. The ”LV1 modular” has benefits no other console has. So I am in your corner on this one, it’s for those who want a turn key solution. Personally I’m not leaving my ”LV1 modular ” anytime soon.

[@juniorsilvabroadcast]

It's running Windows?

[@joevegna]

Yes, a stripped down version of Window. Similar to what Digico uses.

[@willmcelroy6376]

How loud is the fan? For studio use?

[@joevegna]

Hard to say on a fair trade show. My best guess it’s like 2 Ionic boxes worth of fan noise. Noticeable but not problematic.

[@tyronethomas6536]

The license thing is a little crazy. But I love the hardware.

[@joevegna]

Agree. Not the end of the world but yeah ... It's a super nice unit. A very solid build.

[@tyronethomas6536]

@@joevegna I think for now I’m going to stay put with my current LV1 set up. But this may be a better idea for maybe a dedicated touring rig when it comes to people like us that already have LV1. Thank you for all of your videos, bro.

[@joevegna]

Probably same for me. My rig is very close to this. And my screen folds :) But for anyone starting out with LV1 this should be very interesting.

[@roncook767]

Will there be a new standalone fit controller? I would buy that in a heartbeat if it's as fast and responsive like you showed.

[@joevegna]

⁠Short answer:No. But “there might be a future where the console faders are offered as a standalone product”. Probably not a near future. I would absolutely pay premium for this upgrade, the FIT is … well, you know.

[@MrWillihelmdueck]

Weird. The processor has 12 cores. 4 performance cores and 8 efficiency cores. The stats show 8 in use. So it runs only on e cores?!

[@joevegna]

This is above my pay grade 😅

[@BartKrap]

Either on 8 e cores or 4 performance cores with hyperthreading on. Something that waves does not recommend. Now that I think of it, could also be 4 p and 4 e cores

[@drewbee8895357]

​@@BartKrapmy thoughts is 4 performance and 4 efficiency and the other 4 efficiency are there for overhead maybe.

[@adon-nk8fr]

can you install dante in this?

[@joevegna]

Not right now. But I hear people talk about a solution for that next year. Right now i think the Hear bridge is the best solution.

[@adon-nk8fr]

@@joevegna Thanks for the reply, if they can do dante as well, would be awesome!

[@joevegna]

Agree. And I think it’s coming. Ideally soon.

[@ttakotube]

How could one build a larger system with this? Buying 4 of this could work together as it would be a larger console? Or you just buy one, and add extra control surfaces and Touchscreens, IOs and Servers? How could a larger system be configured for easy use? Any data about system latency? Possible future expansion for more AUX/MON outputs for larger scale IEM Monitor mixing? Thanks :-)

[@joevegna]

For expansion you would have to add screens and possibly FIT controllers. You can add a bunch of io and servers just as with the old system. Latency is same as always: 0,8ms No info yet on a bigger console. But that would be a logical step. They have not released any info about bigger channel/buss counts. But as the system and user base grows I would imagine they add more of this in the future. Who knows.

[@jeroddunn]

The price seems nice until you show that it’s an i5 on the server. Of course, it should be pretty simple to swap that out. I can’t wait to see inside. It’s just a big box with commodity parts for the most part. The comparisons to other mixers are what waves is counting on. But they’re being lazy here. Other systems have horrible cost structures with more expensive and often proprietary components.

[@joevegna]

Well the upside is that if you don’t like the specs you can still build your own system. Or ad on to this one. Even with the i5 server I think the price is right.

[@jthunderbass1]

Metering on the surface?!!! “Shut up and take my money”.

[@vilddyr]

They are uselessly small 😅

[@joevegna]

Yes it’s something at least. I would prefer bigger but it’s a step up from the FIT controller.

[@jthunderbass1]

@@vilddyrmy workflow will be where I set gains with the onscreen meters and use the fader board meters to tell me that the channels are working. I’ll no longer be a slave to the mixer windows!!!

[@joevegna]

Agree!

[@vilddyr]

@@jthunderbass1yeah, and still to small for that.

[@joevegna]

First: Yes you can use (almost) every Waves plugin. HOWEVER!!! Watch out for latency. Some plugins can be used but add way too much latency. This is a great alternative to SQ, Avantis and in some cases Dlive. I would prefer this over Dlive in most cases. But exactly as you point out, it’s perhaps not the best console for absolute beginners. You can mess things up with using the wrong or too many plugins. With A&H it’s hard to break the system. With Waves: Yes, you can break it 😀😎

[@revengernovember]

what are some of the popular plugins that would cause high latency?

[@joevegna]

@@revengernovember The Greg Wells stuff. Anything linear phase. Some of the Abbey Road stuff. A lot of the plugins have a "live" version though, with low latency. But have a look on Waves website, the latency is listed on each plugin page.