Waymo Is Already Operating A Robotaxi Business Before Elon Musk

[@danlowe8684]

After the past 4 years of bad info, I now consider myself an expert at finding hidden facts (by omission). The key is to listen to what ISN'T being said. Cost of cars ($300K). 'Revenue' figures tossed about but nothing said about costs (billions going out and millions coming in). Crash data (sued California to keep this info private). Maintenance and repair costs, charging costs (power and infrastructure), vehicle depreciation expenses, support and overhead costs, taxes, insurance, parking. If a guy that buys a Crown Vic at auction for $3000 has a tough time making a living driving a taxi, how is a $300,000 driverless taxi going to turn a profit? Lose money on every car but make it up in volume?

[@Furtivo95]

I live in Santa Monica, California. The most eco-tech centric city in the world. I started seeing Waymo spring up last month. I respect that without hype, they just got it done. For reference, SM has the most registered EVs per capita in the US.

[@xh3598]

Waymo cars will run in circles outside the zone.

[@martincday007]

At least they have "zones" where they have a license to operate. Last Tesla earning call Musk thought it was good that other companies had pioneered the regulatory mine field to operate driverless vehicles - although he is deluded if because Waymo and Cruise have license to operate, Tesla can have one too. Keep in mind that the reason Mobileye dropped Tesla as a customer was over "disagreements about how the technology was deployed," with Mobileye's view that "it (Tesla) was pushing the envelope in terms of safety. With that reputation, are cities are going to be quick to hand out licenses to Tesla to operate driverless vehicles? However, when they do, Tesla will be allowed to operate within a zone, just not as many zones as Waymo or Cruise.

[@xh3598]

@@martincday007 By attacking Musk, you're undermining an American car company, paving the way for China to dominate. China already has a strong presence in Europe and Mexico, with new auto plants on the way. When Chinese cars flood the U.S. market, how will American manufacturers compete with their prices? Bashing Tesla because you dislike Musk only hurts majority of American workers, many of whom have their 401(k) investments tied to Tesla's success.

[@martincday007]

@@xh3598 Musk seems to have little interest and little time for Tesla, his "more than just a car company" is a total distraction. Love it or hate it most people would accept that CyberTruck is a niche product that will do little for Tesla's bottom line. Tesla Model S, 12 years old, Model X 9 years, Model 3, 7 years, Model Y 4 Years, the Roadster unveiled in 2017 still nowhere to be seen. The Tesla semi's delivery day was held in December 2022, still not available for general purchase. Tesla, resources are being used to supplement Musk's private companies. FSD is a very decent level 2 driver assist system, but not level 4 RoboTaxi, it can't even be used as a level 2 for the Las Vegas loop and doesn't do reverse. If there is ever going to be a Tesla RoboTaxi it is not going to be 2024, probably not even 2025. According to Musk, FSD been on the verge of being licensed to other manufactures for two years now. Tesla are not the market leaders in Robotaxi, nor Robotics, nor AI, nor GPU. At the World Robot Conference in Beijing that showed off all kinds of incredible robots the Tesla bot sat quietly in a glass display case, not moving. For a long time Tesla dominated the EV market, but the competition now makes retaining that domination challenging. EVs are losing out to hybrids, Tesla neither have a low cost model, nor a hybrid, it losing market share. If you are a Tesla shareholder, I would expect you to question if Musk has your back, or if he is too busy tweeting and developing XAi and Neuralink that have to benefit to Tesla shareholders. If you are concerned that China is dominating the EV market, haven't you got to question Tesla's Chinese manufacturing and that Musk dare not criticise China?

[@andyliang8599]

by the time waymo scales up to 100s of millions of dolllars in revenue, they will scale up to billions of dollars of losses too😂

[@_____case]

According to Alphabet's earnings reports, the Other Bets segment, under which Waymo falls, reduced its losses from $1.24B per year in 2022 to $863M in 2023 while increasing revenue from $226M to $657M per year. It looks like their revenue is growing significantly faster than their costs. It's important to note that this division also includes Google Fiber, Wing and other efforts, but it seems like the division as a whole is not in trouble and I expect the investment in Waymo to increase, given that they've successfully launched in multiple cities.

[@bluecafe509]

That tech can be used for other projects too, maybe even a trucking company. There are numerous ways they can recoup the money they spent on research and development. Additionally, if they manage to make the tech mainstream and international, they'll easily make back their money. It will make driving a thing of the past.

[@dennisshulz3678]

Waymo cars cost hundreds of thousands to make, Elon Musk has figured out to achieve the same thing with $2K worth of added equipment to any car. And you're comparing the two? Really?

[@curtisalex456]

I wonder who owns this channel. Their reports are useless. They seem to be written by the marketing department of whoever they present. Also "robotaxies" have been on the road for a while in China. Mate Rimac is also working on "robotaxi".

[@kartheyansivalingam7927]

Has he achieved the same thing though? You can only claim that once Tesla actually achieves fully unsupervised driverless robotaxis. Which Elon has been predicting as "soon" or "next year" for a while now.

[@skyak4493]

Tesla FSD has killed more than a dozen customers, maybe more if tesla was more fortcoming with its data. While Elon touts robotaxi future imminently, tesla lawyers tell regulators the EXACT OPPOSITE!!!! Tesla lawyers say there are absolutely no tesla cars opperating beyond level 2. This is how tesla continues to sell cars and stock. The question to ask is how will Tesla ever deploy driverless cars when it depends on blaming the driver for accidents?

[@jakeroper1096]

@@kartheyansivalingam7927can waymo operate legally in any city in America? Seriously just asking

[@battula9]

@@jakeroper1096 Can tesla do as robotaxi? just asking too

[@ned4short]

What's the point of mentioning Elon Musk and Tesla in this video??

[@sammy45654565]

because they have a product called "full self driving." they were hardly doing him any service (if that's your issue) given that they only mentioned him in the context of his product not being ready for years minimum

[@uromvictor]

Click bait Without Elon they can't sell the stories...

[@xavierb9061]

@@uromvictor no bait elon just had announ ement

[@vaibhavmeena4816]

Elon says, Waymo is doing a “ fake it until you make it “

[@MrNiceGuy485]

The person who made this video is laughing all the way to the bank thinking "elon musk is the best bait ever"

[@Jack.Strait]

I'm excited about both Waymo and Tesla being in this industry. Hopefully it'll create some healthy competition

[@Call-me-James]

The active ingredient in any self-driving car is software. GM, Ford, and VW all underestimated the difficulty of creating FSD software, and eventually gave up. It seems like Tesla is making the same mistake, because they have been announcing - but not delivering - FSD for years. I don't think they will ever make their software work.

[@andrewmarthie5062]

That’s not elons dream … elons dream is to turn your car that you already have from like a year ago into a robotaxi that generates money for YOU

[@jessl1934]

If Elon Musk invented a money printer, he wouldn't be selling it to anyone. He *does* have a money printer and that is selling hypebeasts on pipedreams and empty promises.

[@masa4680]

But is it realistic? Without additional sensors, the answer is NO, regardless Musk denied LIDAR.

[@violety_indigo52]

He also said they would have million robotaxi in 2020 and Mars colony in 2024 and hyperloop. Guess he was just manipulating his meme stock.

[@communityband1]

No, it's not. That's the dream he told to customers to get them to buy. But he has known for years now that those vehicles will never be able to drive themselves. Do you recall hearing him say that hardware 4 vehicles would be several times as safe as hardware 3? Understand what that means. It means that a hardware 3 vehicle could have more accidents because of insufficient hardware. This means Tesla will _never_ enable those older vehicles for unsupervised driving, because doing so would place enormous liability on them when such accidents occur. Tesla owners have created videos showing the limitations of FSD's camera positions and resolution. Elon Musk is not an honest man. You can prove that to yourself from the example of him telling his marketing team to lie when creating an ad for their self-driving feature. You can also prove it to yourself by looking at the timelines he has proposed for feature completion. This goes beyond unrealistic optimism. Elon is a very smart guy. Very smart guys do not believe gigantic features which have not yet been started will be finished within a few months. To this day, there are many enormous features that have yet to even be started with FSD's development. Elon does not believe the things he says. But they make him money.

[@davidbeppler3032]

@@violety_indigo52 Hyperloop was Branson. Not Elon. Elon said Mars by 2029, he never said 2024. I can't find him saying robotaxi by 2020 either... Please cite your sources.

[@regolith1350]

This video is a joke. Ross Gerber, who you quote, is a well-known Tesla trashtalker. Tesla could invent warp drive tomorrow and Ross Gerber would still poo poo it. Waymo's technology is a dead end. By its very nature, it CANNOT scale. It's not a question of execution but of fundamental architecture. It relies on extremely high fidelity maps of tightly geo-fenced urban areas. These aren't just a slightly better version of Google Maps, but centimeter-precision maps of buildings, curbs, corners, streetlights, etc. Essentially these HD maps function as invisible railroad tracks for the Waymo vehicle. This is why Waymos act so brain dead anytime it encounters an unusual traffic situation or road conditions are different from what it expects to see based on its maps. It does not react well at all to the chaos of real life. It's gonna have a brain hemorrhage every time it confronts road construction, for example. The more it tries to scale up its geo-fence area and its HD maps, the more it's gonna hemorrhage. This system does not scale, period. Tesla's solution, on the other hand, is a GENERALIZED solution designed to operate ANYWHERE. Vision in, driving controls out. No HD maps, no geo-fencing, no invisible rails.

[@_____case]

Wouldn't Waymo become profitable even if they only launch in 10 U.S. cities?

[@rboettger]

Who is a little Musk fanboi?? Hands up

[@Rollexm]

Waymo’s CEO Tekedra is just brilliant. All the tech bros went full steam ahead with no plan like they always do. She played the game right. Safety first!

[@tribalypredisposed]

She hired the "experts," who were declared to be that for their expertise in using LiDAR, and assumed they were right that vision only could not be done at all or in 2050 at the earliest. Off Waymo went chasing the easier local maximum of using LiDAR that never gets you to real level five autonomous that is cost competitive and scalable. Now Waymo lacks the real world driving data it needs to compete at all with Tesla and, ironically for a tech company, they are way way behind the neural net programming Tesla can do because Tesla has the data required, so Waymo has to keep their humans feverishly trying to code away against a massive supercomputer. The Laserdisk technology Waymo is working away on, it does not matter how good they make it. Tekedra was foolish and gullible, backed the wrong strategy, and to date has refused to recognize the obvious mistake and correct it.

[@rickysampson8759]

@@tribalypredisposedok then where is elons self driving Tesla and why are so they keep killing people. Tesla drive me to work. Drives you straight into a lake

[@Andres_Acosta]

@@tribalypredisposedstupidest take in this comment section lol tesla has NOTHING but keep inhaling elons farts tesla fan boy while waymo continues to expand unchallenged.

[@Elon-g9r]

🤡🤡🤡🤡 One thing is sure, don't read Forbes if you want to be informed

[@hdtravel1]

I love riding in Waymo cars - I sold my stinking car - only use Waymo

[@gemin0i]

i hope waymo is in every city

[@gordong.5154]

Ok.. and your point is?

[@stevenhenderson9005]

I would like to see them replace the need for personal automobile ownership.

[@alexandersmidt1316]

Waymo's heavy reliance on costly and complex lidar technology could hinder its scalability and affordability in the long-term robo-taxi market. Tesla, on the other hand, focuses on vision-based systems using cameras and neural networks, which are cheaper and benefit from the vast amount of real-world driving data collected from its extensive fleet. This cost advantage and rapid data-driven improvement make Tesla more likely to dominate the robo-taxi game.

[@jonpetter8921]

As far as i know Waymo uses both lidar an video. Functionality before cost.

[@martincday007]

There is no "Tesla, on the other hand", Tesla do not have a RoboTaxi system and do not compete with Waymo. If in August Tesla does announce a RoboTaxi service, chances are it will be more vapourware probably accompanied with repurposed two year old CGI ride apps visuals. Skipping over the "every Tesla bought today can be a RoboTaxi" promise that has now been amended, it only takes someone with half a brain five minutes thought to come to the conclusion as to how non-feasible it will be for Tesla owners to be able to add their vehicles to the fleet of Tesla Robotaxis. Cheaper is not safer, also if " LiDAR is a “crutch” ", it might be useful to know what Tesla are doing with $2.1 million worth of Luminar lidar system they recently purchased. Lidar Cost per unit In 2018 $75,000 - $85,000 in 2020 $10,000 - $20,000 In 2022 $1,000 - $5,000 In 2024 $100 - $500 "Tesla more likely to dominate the robo-taxi game" - utter nonsense - in terms of technology, licenses and experience, Tesla are at least two years behind Waymo. Tesla fans want to think that Waymo are still developing their system as they did in 2019, they have adapted just like everyone else and use AI as much as anyone else - there is no Tesla advantage. The reason that Tesla can get away with a vision only system is because their FSD-Supervised is a Level 2 driver assist system. Waymo is a proven RoboTaxi.

[@alexandersmidt1316]

@martincday007 Thank you for your detailed response. While I appreciate your perspective, there are several compelling reasons why Tesla’s AI gives it a significant edge over Waymo in the robo-taxi market: Expansion Pace: While Waymo's technology is advanced, their pace of expansion has been notably slow. Scaling the service to more cities and regions presents significant challenges. Tesla, on the other hand, is leveraging its existing global fleet to rapidly deploy and test its Full Self-Driving (FSD) capabilities in diverse environments, accelerating its expansion pace. Cost: Developing and deploying high-level autonomous technology is undoubtedly expensive. Waymo's reliance on costly lidar technology adds to these expenses, potentially limiting scalability. Tesla’s approach, which focuses on a vision-based system using cameras and neural networks, is significantly more cost-effective. This cost advantage allows Tesla to scale its robo-taxi service more efficiently and economically. AI Superiority: Tesla’s AI is fundamentally more advanced due to several factors: Data Volume and Diversity: Tesla's fleet of over a million vehicles collects real-world driving data from diverse environments worldwide. This extensive dataset allows Tesla's AI to learn from a wide range of scenarios, making it more adaptable and robust compared to Waymo. Continuous Learning and Improvement: Tesla’s AI benefits from real-time data feedback from its extensive fleet. This continuous learning loop enables Tesla to rapidly iterate and improve its FSD capabilities. Waymo, while using advanced AI, lacks the same scale of real-world data input, limiting the speed of its improvements. End-to-End Neural Networks: Tesla employs end-to-end neural networks that learn to drive by understanding the entire process from sensor input to driving actions. This holistic approach enables the AI to make more intuitive and accurate decisions, closely resembling human driving. While Waymo has made significant strides with its autonomous technology, Tesla's advanced AI, rapid data-driven improvement, and cost-effective vision-based system position it as a formidable contender poised to dominate the robo-taxi market.

[@alexandersmidt1316]

As of 2024, Waymo's fleet consists of around 700 autonomous vehicles.

[@martincday007]

@@alexandersmidt1316 I could respond to each of your points that are well made, but are full of flaws. Take the driver away from FSD-Supervised and you have not got a RoboTaxi. The closest FSD-Surpervised has got to driverless mode is the Tesla Smart summons and the latest version of that on the few videos I have seen resembles a drunk driver, as it painfully and nervously covers the 200m. The self-parking, now it is available is quite good, but only as good as the competition. Only in Musk's head is Tesla the market leaders in AI. Musk himself doesn't know whether to shout from the roof tops about the dangers of AI, or claim that he represents cutting edge. Microsoft and Meta both dwarf Tesla's AI investment, and Google spends three times the amount Tesla does. Take any time to listen Waymo's Co-CEO Tekedra Mawakana and she comes across as someone who puts safety first, doesn't over promise, doesn't belittle the challenges driverless vehicles brings, knows the business objectives and who doesn't see Tesla as a competitor.

[@matthew.m.stevick]

I drive gasoline manual transmission: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon LJ 4.0 & Audi TT Quattro Roadster. I absolutely love them so much.

[@davidbeppler3032]

How much have they cost you in gas?

[@markt4297]

I thought it was funny the mentioned Austin. I lived there for 23 years. When Uber tried to get a business licensee the city council voted it down (the taxi companies payed then off).

[@Clyde-2055]

Waymo is just a puffed-up version of the Skylink people mover at DFW airport. It’s an advanced automated transportation system. Musk is pursuing a true autonomous system. Will it ever work? Damn if I know, but if it does, Waymo’s current design will be left in the dust.

[@Kamala-4-President]

It's so obvious that someone at Waymo paid Forbes for this.

[@uvwxyzero]

Why are you tesla guys so pressed

[@violety_indigo52]

​@@uvwxyzero they're cult.. that's why.

[@sarojdevkota9209]

There are already so many robo taxis in Chinese cities. They’re testing trucks and lorises and they are all going well and improving.

[@jonaslismont370]

The only thing this video demontrates, is that Forbes' a joke!

[@zoemayne]

lol they quote Gerber and exclude his hatred for Tesla/Elon

[@Davierraven]

I just want to know when we'll see them in nyc

[@island97]

You wont see them anytime soon. They don't operate in densely populated cities.

[@onlinepersonalitydisorder1051]

@@island97 bro Los Angeles is US's third city by population density right after NYC and Miami

[@uromvictor]

THEY CAN'T SCALE.

[@Davierraven]

@@uromvictor why you yelling brother we're in a library

[@island97]

@@onlinepersonalitydisorder1051 they are operating in small areas, not the entire city .

[@OneManOnFire]

I've been in a waymo it drives really good. Now transdev the contact company that hired test drivers is a questionable company.

[@kaii231]

In before a robotaxi glitches out and runs over 50 people on a sidewalk and a everyone changes their minds about driverless cars.

[@aaronkim3762]

Good luck Waymo...Tesla is coming.

[@rogerfroud300]

Being first to deploy Robotaxis is not a good indicator of how good they are or what the future position will be. Waymo doesn't have a very intelligent solution that's scaleable. It's plagued with issues that are largely glossed over. If it was Tesla with these issues, they're be getting slammed.

[@dmitrybrooklyn]

Google maps worked on it for decades

[@brianhaber2605]

700 cars?? Thats it. How many teslas out there?

[@davidbeppler3032]

6 million, of that only 3 million can use FSD. Out of those Tesla only expects about 50% to turn it on for Tesla Cab. That said, Tesla has never sold thousands of lease cars. They are waiting. On day one they can be turned loose in cities around America. Imagine your car making you $500/month when you are not using it.

[@brianhaber2605]

@@davidbeppler3032 Tesla usually behind on deadlines but when it does happen, I feel that Tesla's will be flying off the shelf until supply of robotaxis outweigh demand. Is this year the best time to buy a Tesla? Will it pay for itself?

[@Letipe992]

Forbes Forbes, so many untruth comments in this piece, sad to see so many biases told as truth and so many others masked. Not a realizable source of info

[@MrNiceGuy485]

Waymo cars are monitored and driven by remote drivers to get them unstuck. Waymo cars are not fully autonomous, as they can only move within a zone that has been mapped and simulated and has good LTE coverage. The waymo cars cost around 200k to build and deploy. So, as far as I'm concerned this is a fun little project for google and not looking like a real profitable business.

[@cuyler78]

It's very rare that a car needs intervention, but it happens with fleets of tens of thousands of cars, I guarantee you Teslas would need far more intervention, also I don't think you are understanding the economics of robotaxis, only 200k per car + not having to pay drivers = a license to print money.

[@steve2007]

Tesla is using vision based tech for a good reason. They are building a general vision framework that can be implemented into all AI products that are required to navigate around the real world, such as humanoid robots. One system that will ultimately allow AI (and not just cars) to see.

[@treat4Yu]

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[@LiBingBong]

To all the fan boys of cult leader QElon ........... Your boy said Robotaxis would be ready by 2020. GTFO!

[@jessl1934]

One year, five years, thirty years... it doesn't matter how long it takes. It's not a race.

[@tribalypredisposed]

Name a CEO of a company developing FSD that was not way off in their predictions about when they would have it done? Trick question, there are none.

[@mackenzieclarkson8322]

Shouldn't we have colonized this Galaxy by now

[@violety_indigo52]

​@@tribalypredisposedhe doesn't said only that. He went as far as to say that they would have 1 Million robotaxi by 2020. He should have long been charged for stocks manipulation.

[@rogerfroud300]

Elon is always over optimistic on timelines. However, by adopting an idealistic but difficult solution to this problem, Tesla will eclipse Waymo and make it's ancient technology look lame. It's just a matter of time.

[@philloucks9784]

Waymo’s self driving approval is limited to a just a few locations and does not allow for freeway access. Tesla’s FSD technology is far superior, sorry Charlie.

[@chiefalien]

😂😂 waymo? Or way less? Common Forbes do your homework. This is ridiculous 😂😂

[@mrpmj00]

Waymo is way way way safer with LIDAR whereas tesla doesn't have it.

[@daydreamer8373]

Lidar does not make Waymo safer, It simply makes it more expensive and complicated.

[@didierpuzenat7280]

Tesla's FSD hardware costs a tiny fraction of Waymo's one. In fact all Teslas in production already are FSD ready.

[@jso19801980]

microsoft did smart phones before apple

[@DANIELJRAINEY]

Operating geofenced is limited. Where’s your video on TESLA FSD? You mention a negative comment but don’t review the differences in data. Tesla can operate without intervention for much longer with each iteration. This was the last time I watch OR read a Forbes article.

[@Bbenkosky]

Lol not at all the same. Telsas learn. Waymos do not.

[@gemin0i]

waymo the goat

[@Wildman-zh8lg]

But elon's car will be safer

[@Hfgh564]

Cool! Uber drivers won't be happy. Maybe it'll be time for them to find a real job. If there will be any left...

[@Clyde-2055]

Uber drivers have nothing to fear in the near future.

[@Zripas]

You being able to send this silly message is a result of heavy automation. Uber drivers can always find another job, but this will not be an issue for some time, so they can happily start slowly thinking about alternatives.

[@Hfgh564]

@@Zripas What is automation?

[@Zripas]

@@Hfgh564 The use or introduction of automatic equipment in a manufacturing or other process or facility Straight from the google. It's not a complicated concept. Do you remember times when if you wanted to talk with someone you had to talk with real person operator who was manually linking 2 connections? Yea, its gone now, its automated now, I don't think you would actually complain that those jobs have been taken away, would you? Now imagine bunch of operators manually linking every single internet connection your computer (which is huge automated machine on itself) tries to make when you click on each link? Same thing applies for all physical objects you own, majority of them have been made by using heavy automation, including your phone/computer you are using to write this message. Without automation you can't have technological progress, and people will adapt to the changes, like they did before for countless of times. We have like lowest unemployment rates in entire human history while having most automation at same time, so clearly automation isn't that bad.

[@BatsiraiMusuka]

Good. No to monopolies

[@tribalypredisposed]

LOL. I hate to break it to you, but there is just one company actually pursuing the robo taxi market, and that is Tesla, and they will have a monopoly. No one else is remotely able to make millions of robo taxis who is trying to get full self driving software and hardware perfected. Vision only costs way less to put a robo taxi on the road, and the Waymo self driving tech uses 40% of the electricity in their cars, while the Tesla uses up to 200 watts, so the per mile is higher even if we do not add in higher tax construction costs and so on. It will be eight years, minimum, after Tesla launches their robo taxis before anyone else could possibly try to enter the market, and by then Tesla will be so dominant that it will be insane to try.

[@BatsiraiMusuka]

@@tribalypredisposed too long… all l know is there is an alternative. That’s all that matters

[@violety_indigo52]

​@@tribalypredisposedTesla would have bazillion robotaxi next year. Pinky promise I swear😢 Musk said that😂

[@timothystacks7284]

But waymo is not in parts of mesa Arizona so I can't use them.

[@ariantasariedimunthe4734]

Different Robotaxi. Elon dreams not like that.

[@jslugger960]

It is the same wym all Waymo gotta do is sell they software to car companies so they can also sell driver less cars Tesla would be obsolete that’s why Elon trynna get they pay package out of Tesla byd is killing the ev market hybrids are slaughtering Evs and gas powered Tesla is done Elon finna focus on spaceX he is far ahead of any competitor in that field if spaceX goes public expect Tesla to go down to under 60

[@greyfox3931]

It’s AI over humans and Elon is to praise smh.

[@lovenature9000]

No we need in East cost.wow.

[@lightyagami6362]

Elon maybe underestimating them

[@Treebronx]

Cool

[@Fireblot8826]

How many dead and injured will it take before we abandon these ignorant ideas?

[@jessl1934]

If you hate cars then try relying on a bicycle for your transport needs 😂

[@breyrey7612]

Unless your not paying attention, there's atleast 6 20% of human drivers don't pay attention while driving. 60% of fatal car accidents are due to that. The ignorant ones will accept these things and not attempt to find a solution

[@javier4694]

No es rentable.

[@davidho1258]

@2:48 another car hit a woman and then the Cruise car dragged the woman.

[@SevenDeMagnus]

God bless Elon Musk and tech advancers.

[@P2Feener305]

😂🤣 so what windows was bigger before apple….back then…now apple is…at least apple doesn’t get your pc shut down because of a hack on some server half way around the world.😂🤣 first doesn’t necessarily mean best.

[@charlesmathis3704]

It's too early for Google to take a victory 🎉 lap.

[@mattexelby8818]

Do your homework

[@ariantasariedimunthe4734]

Nokia Vs Apple Nokia making Phone first but beat by Apple and bangkrupt. Are you know about that Forbes ?

[@mastrkool]

yeah, but they use Lidar, which is much more expensive to build on each car compared to what Tesla is doing with just video data feed, my money is on Tesla

[@chrisacevedo8456]

Just wait when all the of the millions of Tesla owners participate in the robotaxi program

[@mahlayinaye4580]

Good luck help me 🤞💯

[@leethaiann3362]

Tesla = $2 !!!!!!!

[@Otake321]

Lol. Y'all are funny

[@rtnjo6936]

each of this car cost 50x of tesla, they're just pushing this and praying full FSD won't be achieve until they come up with smth

[@DreamAgainNetwork]

🫡💎📈

[@wbwarren57]

Sad fact: Robotaxis built by ANY company do not remove a single car off the road. Since [eople riding in a robotaxi are as unlikely to car pool as today's drivers. Robotaxis WILL NOT decrease the number of cars on the road at all and may actually increase that number. The big problem with cars today is that our roads are congested - too many cars on the roads. If robotaxis keep the number of cars on our roads the same or actually increase that number, what do you think will happen? Why MORE ROADS WILL BE BUILT and PAID FOR by taxpayers! Yeah! Robotaxis!!! Sure, people won't have to drive and maybe fewer people will die, but congestion is NOT GOING DOWN.

[@bluecafe509]

They do, though, because when one robotaxi user isn't using it, somebody else is.

[@wbwarren57]

@@bluecafe509 I do not think your math works. Suppose there are 100 Robo taxis and 100 people who want to go somewhere immediately. There will then be 100 cars on the road just as if everyone of the hundred people had their own car. They’re only 50 Robux then , there will be 50 people on the road and 50 people waiting. Unfortunately, if this happens often, then the people who would otherwise take Robo Axis Consulting so, I’m not sure that taxis are going to relieve congestion on the roads as much as you might think. Definitely, they were relieve, congestion, and parking. Garages are not on the roads. Unless you make people wait in which case they’ll buy new cars for themselves.

[@bluecafe509]

@@wbwarren57 I see what you're saying, but this continuous usage can potentially reduce the number of individually owned cars on the road, as more people may opt for a shared autonomous vehicle instead of owning their own car.

[@wbwarren57]

@@bluecafe509 I would like full self driving to work, but I’m very skeptical of it. My vision has declined to the point where I no longer drive so I would certainly be a customer. However, the fact that le is going to be testing for self driving in China me pause. CCP China is a place where officials take bribes and there is instant censorship of “bad” news. Any “data” coming out of China run by the CCP is highly suspect and I’m sorry that Tesla has cut a deal to do their testing a full self driving there, because I don’t think that’s gonna be a good test that anyone is really going to believe or should believe.

[@RayJames-mk3yq]

@@wbwarren57 In the short term robotaxis wont solve any problem except safety (which is a big problem to be fair). In the long term as human driving is phased out they can start to scale the infrastructure for the robotaxi. You can shrink them down to the size of a golf cart when people dont care about being in a giant 7,000 pound truck. One person self driving vehicles could be even smaller within the scale of a bike. Congestion could be reduced 50% or more just by reducing the physical size of the vehicles. The roads being less congested and less dangerous will encourage more walking walking and biking, further reducing congestion. This is VERY long term but the obvious end game of self driving cars.

[@RoseGoldGunner09]

Waymo is a glorified Trolly. Is not scalable. Nice Tesla hit piece

[@Andres_Acosta]

All you tesla fanboys looking like this constantly 🤡, don’t y’all get tired?

[@RoseGoldGunner09]

@@Andres_Acosta I’ve made millions researching that company. losers who can’t fight the urge to not reply to a 2 month old comment are clearly the tired ones. Life must be rough 🤡

[@Radi0_]

Waymo is not even competition for Tesla. They are burning cash without an end in sight, they will never make a profit - the technology is just too complicated. Tesla's cost will be so much lower that they can just outprice them once we get there. The SIMPLEST technology to solving a problem ALWAYS wins. This Waymo project will turn out to be a waste of effort and money from Alphabet.

[@jessl1934]

Tesla is a company that isn't burning cash and relying on taxpayer money from the government to keep it afloat

[@andyhughes1776]

But who owns those Waymo robotaxis? Not private citizens. That is the difference between Waymo and Tesla Robotaxi. Tesla car owners can earn money while their car is out doing robotaxi for them. Where does the income from Wayno robotaxi go to? Wayno corporation!

[@_____case]

That's a good point and it's a good reason for a lot of people to give a lot of money to the Tesla Corporation!

[@andyhughes1776]

@@_____case At least owners of Tesla cars get a cut. Who gets a cut of Waymo profits? NO ONE!!!!!

[@_____case]

@@andyhughes1776 What happens to Tesla owners whose cars are damaged by riders or other circumstances?

[@felixbonneau1834]

Tesla robo taxi doesn't exist tho

[@violety_indigo52]

​@@felixbonneau1834won't exist for the next 3 years too atleast

[@LegendaryInfortainment]

Forbes there is already a Ludacris. You're late, again.

[@IamHumble83]

They got waymo sense than musk

[@Fous1978]

Waymo has 0 shots of succeeding

[@uaesaqer]

Chinese will surprise all, they will do it cheaper,, technology and business model...

[@Zripas]

Yes, because they like to "borrow" existing technology and build it cheaper.

[@wendyshoowaiching4161]

I do not support auto taxi. It will destroy people's livelihood (poor people). New technologies must not interfere with human's livelihood. Government should put a stop to it

[@Капитан-я8п]

Это невозможно остановить прогресс. Люди в будущем будут получать безусловный доход.

[@thewatcher5822]

You can't stop progress. How many people lost their job when computers took over.

[@kevincowan2639]

Is Elon Musk as smart as we all give credit for? I mean he hasn’t even been to space 😅 what a Loser and he can’t even make a an autonomous taxi when the technology is already up and working. I mean waymo aren’t the only ones who is doing this because I was in a TXAI 100% free taxi in Abu Dhabi a few months ago. WE NEED TO STOP GIVING CREDIT or at least as much as we do

[@Zripas]

Going to space makes you smart? Seriously? I guess you never been to space either... And no, there is no autonomous technology which uses vision only, you haven't paid attention here?

[@jaymarkkabo2626]

Waymo can't scale. Their methodology and equipment cost won't let them. Plus waymo isn't really level 5, Elon's dream is level 5, so... There's a guy on a joystick somewhere controlling the car once every couple of miles when car is struggling.

[@jessl1934]

Prototypes aren't designed to scale in their initial design phases

[@Zripas]

@@jessl1934 So when are those cars will no longer gonna be prototypes? And at the end of the day, Lidar systems in its nature have bunch of extra parts, aka more failure points, aka higher maintenance and initial costs, aka worse scalability. If Tesla solves autonomy with upcoming robotaxi, then that's that for Waymo. Tesla will be able to make like 5-10 cars for the cost of one Waymo, try to guess which one would win in that case.

[@jessl1934]

@@Zripas If you can't be bothered to proofread your own comments you shouldn't expect other people to read them.

[@Zripas]

@@jessl1934 Och sooooooory if my English isn't perfect for your taste. Just FYI it's not my native language, so try to give some slack and don't just reject entire post just because you can't read.

[@mikegagnon1]

It's gonna cost you waymo to get around if you use anything other than the incoming Tesla robotaxi

[@march69-333]

Liar you

[@wongkokpey1283]

Driverless taxi in America are destinate to failure because of awful AI and 5G environment. Because America's cities cannot provide full 5G coverage in every corner or every streets, without this precondition the passengers in a driverless taxi are at high risk. Nowadays American can't even use Amazon paid in everywhere spots in the city. Driverless taxi is too advance for current America.

[@Zripas]

you might be missing something here, Robo taxis are not dependent (usually) on there being high speed internet or any internet in general, like Tesla FSD can work without internet as its entire logic is being processed inside car itself and no date being required from the cloud for it to drive you around. No idea what is this fixation on 5g...