We Build Popular Commanders, But Wrong | Commander Clash S15E3

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[@TinyLegs15243]

I love the whole crew, but Phil has really grown on me over the past year. What a great addition to the goldfish family. Phil's love of his buff dudes/6 pack tribal deck makes me laugh every time it gets played. Keep up all the great work guys!

[@BrewersKitchen]

🙏

[@ben_clifford]

Yes, love Phil. And I always feel bad when he gets teamed up against, because he never talks his way out of it. 😢

[@davidhansen5067]

Phil's dry, witty delivery is my favorite thing about Commander Clash whenever he's able to join. And "misery's back on the menu!" ought to be Crim's catchphrase. 😹

[@tubenewsintern6446]

I like how Korvold is so powerful that "building him wrong" is pairing him with the set mechanic the designers intended him to synergize with

[@Chris-yb8bg]

Wizards: okay, you can eat the food with korvold, very fair Players: okay. I play fetch, sac and draw Wizards: wait...what are you Players: I make treasures, sac and draw Wizards: ....stop...

[@MagicalHackerMTG]

Technically, it wasn't the "set designers". All four of those commanders (Korvold, Chulane, Alela, and the other one) were designed by guest "designers" with minimal to no modification by the professional designers.

[@camael4209]

​@@MagicalHackerMTGreally? Wizards should've known that cod make things quite imbalanced. 2.5 of those commanders are very broken. Chulane and korvold are busted af and aleila is extremely strong as well.

[@stfinalwrath]

​@@camael4209Alela stax is quite a potent combination. All you need to do is just keep playing stax pieces and she just passively builds you an army as a result. 😆

[@camael4209]

@@stfinalwrath true she is very strong, but not on the level of chulane and korvold who just go infinite so easily and reward you heavily, with card draw, for the most basic things in mtg

[@MonsterCC]

This has beena great game so far. Crimms dilemma makes me wonder if we wrath too often for "value" rather than actual control. Sometimes it might be better to keep the agressive player going to do your dirty work xD

[@iambensummers]

Spoiler: Crim's winning line: He had Maskwood Nexus and The World Tree out. Therefore, all of his creatures in his deck were Gods and could be fetched out for 10. He even had enough mana to do it.

[@TheAsianAvenger69]

I totally missed that and realized afterwards lol! To me world tree is just a chromatic lantern 🤣

[@zaclock-4228]

The moment he played the Nexus, I thought "this is game over next turn". And then I forgot about it until Niuttuc's note popped up, and then I thought, "Oh, right! Ertai could be tutored instant speed!"

[@jackl8025]

Does that win through the Spore Frog?

[@natejablonski]

​@@jackl8025he'd do it in response to Seth sacrificing Spore Frog. One of the creatures he tutors would be Ertai, which has an ETB trigger that can counter an activated ability.

[@Niuttuc]

Nobody expects the 11-mana Stifle out of the manabase

[@erikbraun473]

Crim: Theres not a lot of good cards so i don't understand why im the threat! Seth: Me either but that's where we're at. Best.line.ever.

[@Dragiceoriginal]

Fun fact - Seth *couldn’t* play Yavimaya or Urborg! The Fox requires all your permanents to have activated abilities, and those lands do not!

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Ha, good call!

[@wilholloway2924]

They give themselves activated abilities by becoming a basic land type

[@natejablonski]

​@wilholloway2924 I'm not good at explaining the rules interactions, but Judging For The Win made a video explaining this on his channel. He used Urza's Saga as his example, but Urborg and Yavimaya work (or rather, don't work) similarly in this example.

[@thesxex]

@@wilholloway2924 once they're on the battlefield yes

[@otternonymouz8127]

@@wilholloway2924they don’t become basic lands until on the battlefield, so they aren’t basic lands during deckbuilding which means they can’t be played. Somewhat similar to Grist, as they can be your commander because they are a creature during deckbuilding

[@DarkMajava]

Can't believe it has been 14+ seasons and this might be my favourite this far! Awesome!

[@MakeVarahHappen]

I call shenanigans! Tomer has been talking up his Korvold food deck for years. This isn't built wrong! Tomer's just jank.

[@stevenyukabacera160]

Korvold as a commander is so powerful, it barely matters what theme you use. Food, lands, Horse tribal, whatever

[@kaemonbonet4931]

​@@stevenyukabacera160horse tribal outside of white leaves you with like 3 horses lol

[@michaelcollins4534]

​@@kaemonbonet4931and korvold will pick up all the slack still

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Korvold was actually designed to work with food. All the brawl commanders were designed for eldraine mechanics (Chulane and adventures, Gwyn and knights) but they decided to make them open-ended and overpowered for various reasons. So it ends up being that Korvold is so busted with good cards that building him as a Food deck is the "wrong" way!

[@kaemonbonet4931]

@@MTGGoldfishCommander I think it would have been fun to build him as a jund dragons deck. He's just too good to put in that slot for normal games I think. It's like putting esika as your commander for a shrines deck. Yeah she can help you ramp and tutor up enchantress pieces but anyone who sees that is gonna think, "I'm about to deal with some bs." That's kinda what I'm thinking when we say playing it wrong. I'm using the card but it's primary synergy is not my focus. That said, cards that popular are so popular because they're good. Kenrith is the same way, yeah he could be a commander for a zirda style activated abilities deck. But reanimation card draw and haste from the command zone is just flexible and good.

[@Cancer_Cam]

I don’t know if the cards are on MTGO yet but I would love to see an episode where everyone builds Aragorn, the Uniter but in a different way. Human tribal, Multicolored matters, Legends matter, maybe LOTR themed

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Ohh, that could be fun!

[@wchenful]

Aragorn ditches Arwen and pairs up with Eowyn instead 😂

[@terraqueo89]

Wow, Phil and Crim were really attuned at the end, they did the goodbye sign at the same time very naturally.

[@Cloudy573]

Ever since "Golos Scout Tribal" in a previous season this has always been one of my favorite themes.

[@Kroxti]

any talk to bring back the premiere? live chat is always fun.

[@thesxex]

Korvold was specifically designed to play well with food lmao

[@VivBrodock]

and yet building Korvald Food with no fetches is still building Korvald "wrong" (really it's the no fetches that's super wrong, they juice korvald like crazy)

[@Spaced92]

Yeah for Standard.

[@thesxex]

@@Spaced92 for Brawl

[@RedMage95]

This episode is just one giant proponent for graveyard removal.

[@_claymore]

"how am I the enemy all of a sudden?" - "I just watched you end a man, dude" .. :DD

[@imaginarymatter]

I know the Eldraine precon Commanders were pushed Legendaries in an already pushed set but I feel the card would have been so much more flavorful and fun to play with if it was limited to sacrificing food specifically and not just any permanent.

[@Blacklodge_Willy]

Mechanically speaking sure but flavor wise that would have been a huge fail.

[@tianruixiao9239]

Nice long clash, I wonder if there was a way to win with the Triskadekaphile but getting the Colossal Skyturtle was already a huge W.

[@btluetmqa7786]

Crim could have activated the world tree and get every creature out of his deck, because every creature he controlls has all the creature types thanks to maskwood nexus

[@hellmans_fury490]

Was that the game winning line of play the video referred to?

[@btluetmqa7786]

@@hellmans_fury490 i would think so. As we saw crim had some anwers to the frog Reanimation Combo/synergie in his deck, bis boardstate was quite unchangeable, with the worldtree he had the anwers faster

[@jjjjjjj238]

I was playing a mono green stompy deck against a fog based deck. The look on his face when he finally read the 3 paragraphs of Questing Beast to see his fog did nothing was priceless.

[@nCedric1]

Crim Bodied and Minded the table whilst playing Party and it even tooked him one turn less than needed. What a GAMER

[@shayneweyker]

The originality and humor of Seth's deck was amazing. And the week when infinite mana on the opponents side is particularly unlikely was just the right time to play it.

[@Quidization]

Wow, at this point I'd kill Crim just because of all the politics.

[@rylanchampion5972]

I can't wait for another sliver episode featuring the sliver gravemother!!

[@TheEvolver311]

The new intro screams "hello fellow kids"

[@notjake2089]

I mean... we all love Crim and all, but it feels like its getting to be more and more every game.

[@WikiED]

I think intro music was too loud compared to voices of others, instead of creating an ambience it was taking priority. Thankfully it's a tiny, unimportant bit of the great video.

[@Qdrew78]

I also call shenanigans…. Crim had too many lands in his starting hand…. Rigged!

[@mandielyn0416]

Crim is inviting the dragon to the party who’s flavor text is literally about him eating everyone at a party.

[@SmartAlec1]

I'm impressed that they managed to build Kenrith wrong.

[@daisyb4by]

I think my husband has spotted the obscure winning line: Sack the World Tree and put all the creatures from his deck onto the battlefield. Maskwood Nexus means all his creatures are Gods.

[@Cheerwine091]

I don’t think maskwood nexus applies to creatures in the library. You “control” permanents on the battlefield and spells on the stack, but not cards in the library.

[@zacharyenglish2904]

@@Cheerwine091nexus explicitly applies to creature cards you own that aren’t on the battlefield

[@CDekar]

That's what I saw too -- with Ertai he would've been able to Stifle the Spore Frog.

[@gfhgfhfhgfhfhgf]

Man, I'm just so tired of Crim dominating the conversation

[@aronb.1273]

Crim’s politicing is so unfriendly. He’s clearly the biggest threat but begs to not be touched and then spite plays when they don’t want him to be so absolutely in the lead.

[@SmashCentralOfficial]

It's extremely annoying lol. Dude has as many permanents as 2 players combined and is still trying to deflect.

[@phoenixantis6994]

It's almost unwatchable. The rest of the table has clearly made up their minds, yet he continues on spewing nonsense and begging not to be touched when he's the clear biggest threat.

[@Sinistra359]

It's part of the fun. Lol yall need to chill, it's really not that serious.

[@jeffe2267]

It's one thing to deflect or politic, but man, he actually whines.

[@kylegonewild]

@@Sinistra359 Pretty sure their entire point is it ISN'T fun for them. What kind of rebuttal is this? lol

[@travisbrandt8663]

KENRITH GAINS YOU LIFE *FACE PALM*

[@Caineghest]

Crim told me at Commandfest to watch the episode this week, Body and Mind continues to be an S-Tier sword.

[@hanschristopherson8056]

Somehow phil has snuck his way into two episodes already, lets go. Also because tomer built his deck it wont be too busted a d he might actually be able to win lol

[@zotha]

This episode could have done without the 20+ minutes of Crim whining about being the archenemy when he was clearly the archenemy.

[@RunekingLordofThunder]

Everyone in this comment section complaining about crim does not understand CC is a show for entertainment and he's just hamming it up. You guys seem like you would be insufferable to play with in person.

[@zotha]

@@RunekingLordofThunder well he failed miserably because I stopped watching because it was not only not entertaining but was actively unpleasant to watch

[@gfhgfhfhgfhfhgf]

We're insufferable? Because we'd like to have a game w/o constant politicking and overtalk? You're that guy ain't cha?

[@Sinistra359]

​@zotha good riddance lol and yet you're still here commenting? Grow up bro it's really not that serious.

[@Sinistra359]

​@@gfhgfhfhgfhfhgf and yet yall are in their comment section whinning about it lmao. Crim keep it up man.

[@brendanpulsford]

Crim yelling over everyone to claim no one should interact with his board is the most annoying thing about these episodes

[@SP-ik6cc]

I take his passion for these games all day every day

[@Sinistra359]

It's a casual game relax. We trash talk all the time in our pod. It's part of the fun.

[@brningpyre]

As someone who has played against multiple different "fair Golos" brews, I completely agree with their conclusion at the end.

[@whaleofdarkness]

Why didn't Richard counter the taste of death? Seems strange to me.

[@MrFereshteyeh]

YES! I double-checked the text on the zero mana counter to see if I was missing something!

[@McArRuIzO]

Crim deserved that wrath as payback for playing Moat on no-stax week.

[@I_see_provy]

Phil is really not playing his commander wrong.....well the commander himself is op

[@esrohm6460]

when i see kenrith and seth face so close next to eachother they kinda look alike, just that seth doesn't look like he looks down on you

[@McArRuIzO]

Tomer failed the assignment. Korvold "eating food", which is an already sac-able synergistic mechanic is too in-line with what Korvold wants to do.

[@Olivia-ev9hk]

Imagine that...the guy that always pre-metas against the theme tried to do it again...

[@MakeVarahHappen]

I can confirm: I play Linvala in my fliers deck and at this point, I so don't expect to get a full party that I don't have a warrior in my deck. I didn't remember what her party ability is until Crim said it.

[@alexandrelima2766]

Tsk tsk tsk tomer tomer, recycling his deck from a previous season where you guys had a similar theme

[@Thecalebpoe]

Not really liking Crims attitude in this episode. Very salty and spiteful.

[@josephmanion3192]

I've missed seth wish Tom had been able to stay

[@ipsyop]

everytime I see crim play, at some point the man is scrambling to just keep his board state so hard XD

[@michaelbond2523]

Spoilers . . . . . Seth could have won with the staff of domination tapping down Crim's creatures and attacked

[@WikiED]

2:07:10 Seth had a win there with Staff + Zirda active and passive. Staff to tap the flying token if Crim responds by sacrificing linvala Zirda active can still target the token to guarantee the manticore hit for 15, if no sacrifice to protect the flying token Zirda can target linvala instead. Staff to tap the Dragon on Crim's turn to prevent the card draw. Seth wins next turn with manticore + staff/wishmonger or setup for riskier 13 cards in hand win.

[@erikshimshock9315]

Actually, at that spot ( 2:07:10 i.e. once he'd drawn Wishmonger ) I think Seth has exactly enough mana for a direct line to win that turn through combat. Quick summary: use Wishmonger (cheated in cheaper via Arcane Artisan), giving 2 colors of protection to get through the two fliers, and then pumping the Flailing Manticore with remaining mana. Details: At that point, Seth had access to 11 mana (8 untapped lands, 1 from The Celestus, 2 from Mana Cache). 1. Activate Arcane Artisan for U (reduced from 2U by Zirda) to draw an arbitrary card and exile Wishmonger from hand, putting a token copy of it onto the battlefield [10 mana available] Crim has 2 flyers available for blocking: Linvala (white and blue) and Faerie Rogue token (black) 2. Activate Wishmonger twice, for a total of 2 mana (1 each, since reduced by Zirda), giving Flailing Manticore protection from Black (for Faerie) and from Blue (for Linvala) [could also do white, but would need to make sure that pro-white resolved last to avoid giving the Manticore protection from Wishmonger's ability] Crim is at 22, Manticore is currently a 15/15 (originally a 3/3, but pumped +12/+12 by Coat of Arms since Crim's 12 creatures are all types due to Maskwood Nexus) [8 mana remaining] 3. Activate the pump on the Manticore 7 times, making it 22/22 (with flying, pro black and pro blue), and attack for lethal [1 mana remaining] IF Crim decides to sac Linvala, to reduce Manticore down to 21/21 (i.e. Coat of Arms only pumping +11/+11), Seth can use the remaining 1 mana to pump Manticore back up to 22/22.

[@Pidgeonsofwar]

@@erikshimshock9315 Crim had Teferi's Protection and could have used that to avoid all combat damage

[@lamiaprincess6371]

One minor complaint and I don't know if this is a modo thing or an editing thing, but not being able to see how much mana was left in the Mana Cache because Phil was covering it made it a little difficult to judge the board state at the end. Like when Seth draw Cyclonic Rift I had no way of knowing if Seth had the mana to actually play it or not because I couldn't see how many counters were still on the cache. My guess is that it didn't matter but its just kind of a visibility thing? What a crazy end to a game of commander though. Seth did it he broke mongers.

[@Frostgiantbutsmall]

Great job on the intro and effects!!

[@royalfishness1]

Party deck is really cool. Being the obvious threat and spending wayyyyyy too long trying to convince everyone to leave you alone while you kill them is annoying as hell. Just accept you are in teh dominate position and move on

[@Sinistra359]

Relax man, it's all fun and games. Don't act like yall don't do this too when yall are the archenemy. It's a fricken casual game chill the f*ck out. Lol crybaby

[@SP-ik6cc]

One Fog to rule them all, One Frog to find them, One Revel to bring(er) them all, and in the darkness bind them.

[@Halinn]

Seth had the 'wrongest built' deck, so he wins.

[@vbkllr]

Grudge-skips his turn and then pulls it through 🤣

[@Curt-ze6hl]

I don't even really like commander but this was great. Listening to Crim try to talk his way out of a wrath was hilarious.

[@kaszael]

So just looking at the intros and, come on Richard, don't tell my my Narset Monk deck is wrong!

[@matthugenberg8869]

Oh fun, another game ended with tef pro. So entertaining. (please note more sarcasm then there are atoms in the known universe)

[@nheimi99]

The new format for these videos is such an upgrade. Nice work, gentlemen.

[@nicholashale2815]

Loved the episode! Music maybe a little loud in the audio mix in the intro tho

[@josephpayton7522]

Turns out tribal tribal is pretty good, crim.

[@louissimonlefebvre8254]

I'm super confused at why Seth never used his vanquish the horder. Crim didn't have enough mana to replay the ur-dragon and Seth could have just recast Kenrith and swing in for lots.

[@SeleenShadowpaw]

Linvala can be sacked to make all your stuff indestructible. It's really good wrath insurance.

[@louissimonlefebvre8254]

Oh thats a great point. thanks!

[@JoshRudis]

On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" It's PUNT CITY! Will Phil find a way to "fix" Korvold or will Crim just bring back his "Dragon" deck to steal the win? Tune-in to find out!

[@-homerow-]

25:40 Form of the Phelddagrif GWU Enchantment - Aura Enchanted Creature becomes a Phelddagriph with {G} Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and Trample. Target opponent creates a 1/1 Hippo creature token. {W} Enchanted creature gains flying and protection from black and red until end of turn. Target opponent gains 2 life. {U} Enchanted creature phases out. Target opponent may draw a card.

[@BuckysKnifeFlip]

I did this with my Gyrus deck. Turned it into Jund Control while reanimating creatures that either return my spells to hand, shuffle my graveyard back into the deck, or help search for spells. The build around for the deck is Seasons Past.

[@MartianKyo]

Phill did a great job of....philling in.

[@georgelacatus1495]

Does...does Seth not like fluids with his hot soup??

[@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS]

get a foil spore frog from prophecy for only 35.99

[@Crazymachin3gun]

U know youtube considers commander clash a podcast lol

[@chrismarlow9585]

I'm surprised Crim discarded the clever concealment at the end. He might have been able to use it as a backup if teferi's protection got countered. If he phased out his coat of arms Seth may have not had lethal (I didnt count it up to check).

[@Suppaichu]

2:00:15 Seth could've bounced ur dragon and made crim discard afterwards so he wouldn't draw cards

[@EvolutionSTUD10S]

Imagine if Richard hard spot removal... who knew?

[@Sinistra359]

Well he did say that he was running it. Just didn't have it in hand lol

[@Tangart88]

miss the old intro

[@Chpow01]

I kinda hate Richard, Seth, I know this is a few months old, but you need to learn to stop enabling Richard, or is he simply hanging that he is the boss over your head. He skates by in every single game by offering bad half arguments, it's tiresome.

[@erichluepke855]

The obscure winning line I see: use worldtree, every creature is a God so every creature ETBs, one of the creatures yet to be played is Puppeteer which steals Seth's frog from the graveyard and then exiles it.

[@JonReid01]

I respect the new decision to play on camera, but this game wouldn't have been nearly as fun in paper on camera just becauase this had so much more great banter and team play. Great episode tons of fun!

[@JohnSmith-hs9ez]

2:12:04: is it world tree + maskwood nexus? It would get the earti into play and he would counter the ability? When he toodecked the maskwood nexus I was screaming at my screen and he just never activated the world tree

[@kristeenlivesay2664]

Can’t crim crack world tree to play every creature in his deck? There has to be game somehow?

[@danirodenas7831]

Crim whining all the time is not funny at all, just annoying

[@colecarmichael5724]

You’re annoying

[@Sinistra359]

And you're here whinning in their comment section 😂💁‍♀️

[@colecarmichael5724]

@@Sinistra359 GET HIM

[@kylegonewild]

@@Sinistra359 He's an audience member, not the performer. This weird simping under every comment is cringe as fuck.

[@Sinistra359]

@@kylegonewild and yet you're here simping under all my comments 🤣😘

[@SantaCatcher9000]

I love how Crim built his deck, I think he won the deck building aspect. Just a shame that it was Teferis pro that saved him, that card is boring.

[@ad5198]

I love you guys but the new intro music and how short it is feels very manufactured. I miss how your personalities shined through in the old intros

[@revenantbacon3937]

Seth had the win the turn he drew wishmonger. He had 11 mana available, 8 on lands, 1 on Celestus, and 2 on Mana Cache. Crim has 22 life, and only 2 flying blockers (Linvala and a faerie token), and no mana available. Activate Arcane Artisan for U thanks to Zirda cost reduction to draw and exile the monger, making a clone. Down to 10 mana. Activate monger token twice, once for pro blue, and once for pro black, targeting the 15/15 manticore, that has flying, so it can bypass the only blockers. Down to 8 mana. Swing with manticore. Pump it for +1/+1 8 times, bringing it to a total of 23/23. Crim dies. Alternatively, pump for +6/+6, leave crim at 1, let him die to Bitterblossom trigger on upkeep. On a completely unrelated note, Teferi's Protection should have never been printed. 3 Mana win the game spell seems a bit OP.

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

but its not 3 mana win the game. its 3 mana save your winning board state. if they didn't lock counter spells behind blue though we wouldn't have a lot of these kind of over tuned interaction cards in colors that aren't allowed to counter spell.

[@shaveheart7609]

Ok but hear me out. I sing along with the old chorus. That shit brings me life on my morning drive

[@happybrain2674]

seth why didnt wanted to get alot of life and instead gets back your creatures to hand and recast them for alot of mana?

[@Beefman.0]

what. a. game.

[@Medicinalmagic911]

Good game. Party 🎉 and sword BAM body and mind. Hawt 35:09

[@dizzlebloom120]

Crim is right tho, hes always the target despite Richard always swooping in for the win lol.

[@av110386]

Richard wants to get the lights from "Cash Cab" and for them to go off when they say clash on

[@gabrielphelan2756]

The turn Seth drew wishmonger I think he missed lethal by not discarding it to arcane artisan. He counted he had 11 mana and could spend U on the artisan to draw and discard the wishmonger. Then he spends 2 mana to give the manticore pro-ub and 7 mana to raise its power to 22 giving the swing for lethal.

[@JoshRudis]

FYI, I *love* mana cache. I used it back and the day and it was pretty funny because people just couldn't use the mana. Nowadays, it's more abuseable and less fun.

[@skykur]

How tf did Richard not cast See Double when Seth played chromatic orrery? Could have copied it and made his own, while having counterspell back up

[@petrseghman4283]

I am just so happy about the S15 lineup.

[@solarmanatee4667]

crim can world tree and due to maskwood nexus, go find pupeteer clique which steals the spore frog and gives him the win. He can also put all the other creatures in his deck into play too.

[@tylermurdock8252]

My favorite played wrong Commander was done by my friend who played kenrith The returned King with clash and traps, with a end game plan of monument to perfection

[@RedCometNurse]

I am required by law to support Richard's Narset deck. Also, I am pretty sure it is damn near impossible to play Korvold wrong.

[@hapalops3905]

Seth under utilized the tiny text at the bottom of zirda. So many moments where "-one blocker" would have solved the equation.

[@oORoOFLOo]

I dont like these thumbnails it makes me cringe to click on them. I wouldnt share a video with such thumbnail to my friends they would think im infantile

[@DonovanPresents]

Good content, but I really dislike the thumbnails tbh 😢