We Drive and Compare Subaru's and Toyota's Top-Selling Cars to Decide Which One is Best!

[@saliston]

you cant compare a newly redesigned car and one that been around a few years especially when the new one is top of the line and over 10k more. Thats not a fair comparison.

[@kevinstarski1598]

No, you can actually compare anything you like....

[@briandeiwert5911]

Aren't they both new for 2019? Or the Subie is new for 2018 and the Rav4 is new for 2019? Seems like a good apples to apples comparison to me.

[@ddub2195]

Brian Deiwert the Subaru redesign is in 2020. This is the 5th gen outback which came out in 2015. Just minor updates year over year.

[@briandeiwert5911]

@@ddub2195 oh wait you're right. I apologize. I only got 10 seconds into the video before I had to leave and didn't realize that was the Outback. I thought it was the Forester which is brand new. TFL is comparing what they have with what they can get from a manufacturer. A relatively fair test as long as they account for differences in trim packages.

[@TheKbreezy34]

The older guy on this show has always been biased against Subaru. Dont know why but it's always pretty obvious

[@jlcousineau]

Seeing the two next to each other, it just makes me appreciate the simple styling of the Subaru even more

[@97I30T]

Jeffrey C I agree. The Subaru might be boring, but it will still look good in 10 years. That RAV4 is going to look goofy and outdated in 10 years.

[@TheMarkNuz]

Just two things about this review. 1. Symmetrical AWD isn’t a “fancy way of saying it’s AWD all of the time.” It has to do with the balance of the entire system, front to back and side to side. The drive shafts from each axle are the same length side to side to hopefully eliminate torque steer. 2. My 2016 Legacy has active torque vectoring, which Subaru has used since 2015. This review made it seem like the RAV4 had it and the Outback didn’t. 👍🏻

[@robertherek4020]

Let's be honest, judging by your videos you really seem.to have something against Subaru. Which to each there own, least you could do is at least pretend to be trying to do honest comparison.

[@Giobemo]

"Subaru doesn't give us any cars to review." Gasp. You don't say?

[@porterbarczak2712]

@@Giobemo the reason subaru doesn't is because they tested a subaru outback offroad and it would not do their offroad test and it also got scratched so subaru stopped loaning them cars and also went to their houses and took the other two subarus away from them that they were testing without permission to enter their property so yeah subaru stopped giving them cars.

[@BruceHoult]

This is basically exactly my top two choices when I moved to the US in April. I was very interested in the 2019 RAV4 Hybrid XLE, but it was only just starting to become available and actually going for $2k over MSRP making it around $32.5k plus $1k destination plus all the taxes and on-road costs, making it around $37k all up. I had a 2017 RAV4 LE as a rental in January and it was a fuel pig and the adaptive cruise control only worked at over 25 mph. RAV4 hybrid's pre-2019 got very little better fuel economy. So I really wasn't interested in a used RAV4 as an option. 2019 or bust. I found a 2017 2.5 Outback Touring at a local dealer, certified pre-owned with 36736 miles, 7 year/100k mi powertrain warranty (so no head gasket or CVT worries). The interior is lovely, it's smooth and quiet in normal driving, gets 36 MPG at a steady 65 mph (32 at 70, 29 at 75). At 40 MPH in traffic or on suburban express routes it gets 40 to 50 MPG. The adaptive cruise control works down to well under walking speed. I put in an offer for $27389 ($30k exactly out the door) which they accepted. Compared to a 2019 model it's missing 1) Apple Carplay (but it's got nav, and a phone holder and BlueTooth audio works fine), 2) rear USB ports, 3) dynamic guide lines on the reversing camera. I can live without those. It does have blind spot warning, rear cross traffic alert and reverse automatic braking and rear parking sensors, dual zone climate air, rear seat vents, moonroof, fully automatic headlights, heated front and rear seats and steering wheel, paddles, x-mode. So pretty decent equipment level. Realistically, the RAV4 Hybrid might save $300/yr in fuel. It's not worth spending $7k more (20+ years of fuel savings) to get that. Plus I think the Outback Touring is just way nicer than the RAV4 XLE anyway. So I'm very happy with the Outback.

[@maahdshahzad6550]

You said you put in an offer for $27389. How much were they asking for?

[@BruceHoult]

Gosh! That's five years ago! I checked old emails and they were asking $28500 which after all the fees and taxes came to $31210.65. So I saved $1210. Maybe I could have negotiated harder .. idk .. first and only time I've bought a car in the USA. And then COVID came and I left the US unexpectedly after only 11 months and sold the car for $23000 with 55000 miles on it (18264 more). When I got home to NZ I bought a 2008 Outback 2.5XT with 265 HP turbo engine and 5 sp auto. And Eyesght! In a nine year older car. Very rare limited edition car with 2000 made. And paid a ridiculously low US$6300 for it, with the same 55k miles as the 2017 car had when I sold it. Still loving it four years later, zero problems. @@maahdshahzad6550

[@chebsas1]

I am going to get a Forester Sport with Android Auto and save $7,000!!! $39.000 for the Rav4 is crazy!!!

[@chucknorris5141]

I couldn't agree more. I like the look of the Sport. The CVT is the only thing keeping me from it right now. Just not sure how it's gonna do in the snow of Buffalo, NY.

[@chebsas1]

I have right now a 2013 Crosstrek and I live in Utah, we get a lot of snow and the Subaru does great in the snow. This is coming from a guy that drove an FJ Cruiser before!@@chucknorris5141

[@kartboarder22g17]

@@chucknorris5141 Yea you'll be fine with the snow. Just the stock tires suck, I'll be purchasing the best all season I can get next Fall. Minnesota winter person here, and current stock tires on my Forester weren't the best this year with about 35% tread left.

[@nomadmav7040]

I'm grabbing up the Crosstrek manual trans premium. Way better deal than the Rav and way cheaper

[@moparmaga]

Just know that when the CVT goes out, your car just became disposable.

[@Ashesandrust1]

Subaru haters are back with another Subaru bashing video! Here we go!

[@chadfoust6942]

Yes! More mashup reviews. I love comparison testing. It would really be cool to see a budget mashup. You can do several 20K, 15K, and 10K comparisons

[@alsw1632]

Put these two on the awd test

[@carliton7221]

For 40k I would buy a used 2017 Lexus GX 460.

[@79thump8]

And then keep it for 25 years.

[@batuaerial213]

GX470 owner here. Yup, I agree lol

[@tinhinnh]

good option if you don’t drive a lot

[@dsugioaga]

Yeah, you know, it's a funny thing but used cars generally are cheaper than new ones...

[@oliverk4897]

Only problem with the GX is the high gasoline consumption. The RAV4 can get you twice the mileage depending on the trim.

[@TheOutdoorBeerReview]

did he say 40k for a RAV4? lol that's as much as a brand new 4Runner costs which will go places that little crossover can only dream of

[@carbonunit]

I agree. 4runner

[@aussie2uGA]

$40k for a RAV4? I'll take the new Tesla Model Y for similar money, much faster, better AWD, over the air updates, etc.

[@afcgeo882]

Actually, the $40k is for the most expensive trim, with all the options and all dealer accessories. You can get an AWD Rav4 for $26,900 MSRP. They just chose not to mention that because they have a very clear agenda to win over Subaru. You see, the Jeep Grand Cherokee costs $102,555 MSRP if I want to equip it that way, but saying that’s how much it costs is a lie by omission, because you could also get one for $31,945 (MSRP) or anywhere in between.

[@whiterockrunner]

THE ADVENTURE IS 32,000 NOT 39,000

[@americansniper1641]

Max G 40k for a brand new 4Runner he said 😂 😂 😂

[@borisstaudt9158]

I love the Subaru, and then the difference. $10.000. My choise is Subaru Outback.

[@moeanthony9308]

Hahah along with all the recalls. Look it up. Ascent and Suburu are rubbish.

[@Rockin_Ross]

Moe Anthony: Recalls aside, if the dealer fixes them, what’s the problem? I call that taking accountability for any issues that arise (and ALL car makers have issues. All.) Suby has the dope spot on AWD and always will.

[@moeanthony9308]

@@Rockin_Ross I agree Ross but that still doesn't makes excuses for poorly built vehicle. Look up the mechanical issues besides the recalls sir.

[@Rockin_Ross]

Moe Anthony: I have (as I own one) and I haven’t had any issues. Those who have had issues had dealer support and all is well. If they were like some other manufacturers who ignored or denied the issues, I wouldn’t have bought it. So what’s the issue again?

[@moeanthony9308]

@@Rockin_Ross comes down to whose is transparent. If you are good researcher you jolly well k ow who is dishonest or not. Any way I was never a subbie fan anyway. Left a reputation of bad seals and engine gasket issues.

[@lucastherexcat]

One car has a CVT, One car does not. CVT is unacceptable.

[@EricCKeys]

A 2018 older gen Subaru vs a 2019 redesigned Rav4? C'mon..would have been much more fair to put it against a 2019 Forester with the new platform.

[@Rickmakes]

I owned an (2004) Outback, then a (2012) Forester and now an (2016) Outback again. I prefered the longer wheelbase and more comfortable seats of the Outback. The Forester felt zippier and was fun to drive around. People hate on the Subaru CVT but I love the gas mileage. I've topped out at 35mpg. It has also dipped to 25mpg. The wind really effects it. I like the Rav4 but if I switch to Toyota, I'll go with a Highlander to 4Runner.

[@Michael-ur5qb]

RickMakes they had the CVT yet the best selling one in the class (CRv) has it.

[@JJ-cg3rn]

I test drove a 2019 Forester and thought it was great! The CVT is fine and responds well. They’ve come a long way with CVT’s in their ability to mimic a traditional automatic. The Forester handles really well and is fun to drive.

[@WillieD7]

@@normt5463 I don't mean to single you out but I don't get it when people say "my car has

[@joebuck4496]

Lol you have had Forester and Outback, but if you get a Toyota you’d get a 4Runner??

[@Rickmakes]

@@joebuck4496 Highlander OR 4Runner. I also have a Land Cruiser. If I keep the Land Cruiser, I would go with Highlander. If I were to sell the Land Cruiser, I would consider the body on frame 4Runner which is between an Outback and Land Cruiser. These days I am probably more interested in the Lexus GX which has a V8 and is full time 4wd like my Land Cruiser.

[@27kemira]

I really prefer the Subaru

[@tubemember21]

Comparing cars that have 4 years difference in age is like comparing breakfast cereals that are 4 years different in age. Shit like this is probably why Subaru won't give you a car.

[@robertherek4020]

From what they've said the damaged Subaru they were loaned to test and review. I agree I can no longer see any integrity in any reviews they compare using a Subaru.

[@JunLee0413]

tubemember21 oof

[@razvanmihalache5680]

Well if Subaru doesn't update their cars then what do they expect. When the RAV4 came out the old Subaru outback was still on sale so people would crosshop these vehicles no doubt . No need to get angry because they're doing exactly what a typical buyer would be doing. The new 2020 outback just barely came out so now buyers will be looking into the new outback versus the RAV4. It's how the free market works

[@alexyakuba2805]

I feel like if you are compering cars like Subaru and RAV4, you should show some off-road comportment, like diagonal test, or snow performance.

[@brodiwheeler7583]

Norm T The RAV4 Adventure’s AWD System smokes the Outback’s and The Forester’s! You might want to study a bit more.

[@alexyakuba2805]

@@brodiwheeler7583 You are right on that, would be cool to see it in a video.

[@brodiwheeler7583]

Norm T So your original comment was in reference to the Hybrid AWD System? What was strange about the handling characteristics in the Spanish video?

[@alexyakuba2805]

@@brodiwheeler7583 In the Spanish video they had a FWD version, not the AWD. Here is another good video I found: kzbin.info/www/bejne/joKtlGWwiMh4hMk

[@brodiwheeler7583]

Alex Yakuba That video makes me cringe for no undercarriage skid plate protection, hopefully they bolted some protection under there... AWD System seems to work very well though! Can’t wait to do some testing myself here in Colorado this Summer! 🤙🏼

[@digitalkov]

You started out by saying ".... these cars don't directly compete..." then why do the video?

[@valdius85]

Because then he stated "Subaru doesn`t give us cars anymore so we had to buy Outback to do videos"

[@pedrothevenard]

Because people do compare them in the real world, they don't compete only in theory but in reality they absolutely compete, regular people don't go to test a car and say that's the category i want I just want cars on that category, they'll say I have this much budget how much car can I get for the money, and those 2 cars are about the same price base, you get a newer design and a bit more bells and whistles on the rav 4, and a bigger car, android auto and better value on the subaru, but they both do the exact same things, moderate of road (more like dirt road or snow) , space for 5 people and a lot of junk in the trunk, reasonably comfortable, reasonably silent, reasonably fuel efficient, the only difference is the car Category, which let's face it makes no sense.

[@valdius85]

@@pedrothevenard Completely agree. I compare RAV4, Forester, new Outback and even new Mitsubishi Delica D:5 (I live in Japan) to each other. That's three different categories. I do not care. It is my wallet and I want to know the options.

[@pierrec.5516]

I dont’t Disagree that they compete in real world shopping. Where I have an issue with this video is the price difference, no one is shopping a $30k car against a $40k car. If they would have gotten a $30k RAV4 it would have given a more realistic comparison.

[@pedrothevenard]

@@pierrec.5516 It's not like they can pull whatever car in whatever spec whenever they want, those cars are comparably priced and you can add a bunch of bells and whistles to it but the car is still the same, you add leather seats to a car it gets 2k more expensive but it is the same car, you add ventilated seats another 2k but still the same, same with navigation, etc... the 30k rav4 is the exact same as the 40k one minus minor minor things that makes no difference during a comparison.

[@gringolatino97]

Who says they don't compete? I own an Outback (bought in 2017) and my girlfriend just bought the Rav4 adventure, I have to say the biggest difference is the seating position and interiors. I really like the Adventure looks over the bland styling Outback.

[@samjohnson9894]

A $40k Rav-4 You guys are hilarious!

[@chimanbangali4735]

Put trd crap on it and collect 10k extra

[@travisrodriguez4080]

@@chimanbangali4735 Rav4 TRD Off Roads are on their way. 2020 I believe.

[@travisrodriguez4080]

Can buy a 4Runner TRD off road premium for 41k

[@chimanbangali4735]

@@travisrodriguez4080 premium 4runner is outdated ... no tech packs or safty stuff .. even interior is also outdated ... regardless of how rugged a suv is mainly it will be driven on the road.. so must compare other cars with 41k price tag

[@travisrodriguez4080]

@@chimanbangali4735 so get a highlander. They're geared towards different markets, a lot of hunters and overlanders buy 4runners. It can't be long till Toyota puts TSS into the 4runner.

[@psewgobind]

Here in Canada, base AWD Rav4 vs Outback is $1k difference. Real test would be to put them in a Gladiator arena and see which one smashes the other to death.

[@kmeekins4168]

Now you're talking.

[@jedironin380]

@Dale They noted the actual driving and feel is about the same between the two, with the Subaru being smoother.

[@marclrcq]

a valide statement, however, Subaru has one of the best iterations of a CVT on the market.@Dale

[@psewgobind]

@Dale If so, would the new CX5 be the hot wife?

[@afcgeo882]

jedironin380 they purposefully ignored the actual performance differences to justify their Subaru purchase. The Rav4 is MUCH faster.

[@thatgray24v24]

Now days Toyota and Subaru are nearly the same family so not surprised

[@EasyTechTrading]

whoever bought a rav4 that cost 40k congratulations, you just played yourself!

[@dygardion9130]

ieon what about those who paid the same for the outback?

[@dakotamorgan6594]

dygardion 91 well they would have a loaded 6 cylinder vehicle that feels like it is worth 38k.

[@ProfessorPoundage]

ok you royal ass hat

[@koukimonzta]

ieon for rich people you dont need to use a brain to throw cash.

[@moonsapling]

What you dont pay when buying, you will pay for maintenance in the future. The Rav4 is cheaper and easier to maintain and will break harder. I know a few people with lifted 2014 Rav4 AWD rigs and these things are pretty capable. The on-demand awd works great. People underestimate the Rav4 but so be it.

[@aminyaghtinmirshekar9442]

The only thing that worries me about the Suburu is the CVT transmision.

[@richardsefecka6552]

The new 2019 Outback is so much more refined. Better ride, lower interior sound, better Eyesight system etc..... Compare same model years to be fair..

[@LT-jc4qb]

They cant because they trashed a Subaru media review car while it was still being reviewed and pissed Subaru off. Subaru doesnt trust sending them with anything now. I guess Subaru felt that what they did, didnt reflect that of a professional review company...and with super biased review comparisons like this, can you really blame Subaru?

[@razvanmihalache5680]

@@LT-jc4qb They said the CVT makes it an unworthy offroader because it cuts power completely and allows 0 slippage which is true. If you don't have slip when you're offroading just go home you'll get nowhere. Plus this is a free country where they can say what they want about a vehicle plus they were being honest. Just because Subaru doesn't want to update their designs doesn't mean their customers shouldn't know the drawbacks to owning a subaru.

[@LT-jc4qb]

@@razvanmihalache5680 Ummm...that's a nice rant about CVT and freedom of speech...but what does that have anything to do with why Subaru wont send them any vehicles to review anymore? They damaged a car that was still being reviewed and they even said it.

[@ff11dream]

Winner winner RAV4 dinner

[@rbuenafe100]

Subaru Outback all the way. You should have compared them off road! Even though the Subie has less power then the Rav4, it will still dominate the dirt. My friend had a Rav4. He got rid of it within six months. Just look at all the Subaru's in New England alone, not even counting in states where snow is abundant! I currently own my second Subaru and an avid fisherman. I drive my Subie on the sand all the time where you see a lot of 4X4's get stuck because they are too heavy. I never had any issues.

[@jedironin380]

My buddy bought a used '16 RAV4 Hybrid. He loves the extra power, extra mileage and AWD. Very happy with it. He did test-drive a non-hybrid RAV4, and the Hybrid had noticeably better power.

[@adamjonathan1421]

If you're in Canada and you want to spend less than $30k. Get the base model LE RAV4 2019, it's the safest vehicle in its segment compared to any other competitors. Safety Sense 2.0 package plus you get also blind spot monitoring, rear Cross traffic alert. Other brand you have to pay more for their higher trim to get blind spot monitoring.

[@diegoeleazar9154]

Are you talking about the FWD? If Im buying a SUV and live in Canada I would prefer AWD.

[@adamjonathan1421]

Don king.. then get the LE AWD. So much value in it.

[@lucastherexcat]

The Subaru has a CVT. Do not drink the Koolaid. Subaru (and every other car maker) has CVT issues. Any vehicle with a CVT is unacceptable.

[@needleontherecord]

After a engine replacement, several recalls to replace electronics, and expensive servicing from my local Subaru dealer I traded it in for a RAV4

[@chazlyle41]

Life is simple :) 4WD = Toyota AWD = Subaru 2WD = Honda 1WD = Yamaha Choose the tool that best suits the job you require of it, buy used, and drive it until it dies.

[@EngiNetion]

FWD = My homemade kart ForceWheelDrive

[@kabloosh699]

The adventure does start around 35k. That one just is fully optioned out.

[@perryquinn709]

I purchased a 2024 Outback Touring XT a couple months ago. It has a 2.5-liter turbo and has plenty of horsepower and torque. I am surprised how much I like this vehicle. The MSRP was $45,222 and I got it for $42,222 at Carlsen Subaru in Redwood City, California. Great car!

[@catdu2232]

I live in colorado and travel 8hrs from fort collins to utah on snowy days, never once subaru leave me at the side of the road. I put 160k in 3 years of owning it and it still run like a champ!

[@ashas7730]

So toyota tried making an outback Its a toyota.. it'll sell

[@michelt4390]

Funny thing, if we go back in time... they came up with the "Outback" concept before Subaru... Remember the 80's 4x4 Tercel Wagon?

[@TheStwat]

Dear god, are all car designers now just sat in a big room sharing design ideas with each other?

[@allendavid4139]

The sunroof is an option on the adventuer trim of the RAV4 but is standard on lesser trims I was also confused when Tommy says he’d like more tech on the RAV4 as this model has all the safety tech blind spot monitoring,road sign recognition,late departure warning ,wireless charging and Apple car play

[@brodiwheeler7583]

allen david Agreed! Plus RemoteConnect gives it Remote Start, remotely locking doors, checking fuel level, locating the vehicle, and valet monitoring of the vehicle through a smartphone app. Apple CarPlay too with rewindable satellite radio functionality and an optional JBL 11-Speaker 900watt audio... Pretty rich on tech to me!

[@john-danielmartin8753]

Subaru outback XT is coming just wait 😎

[@AudioHead809]

John-Daniel Martin I really hope so. Preferably with a manual or a true automatic.

[@john-danielmartin8753]

@@AudioHead809 just get it out of your head from now the manual won't be coming back it just gonna get a revised CVT like in the legacy

[@AwesomesMan]

Really?

[@john-danielmartin8753]

@@AwesomesManSubaru outback usually follows the legacy's drivetrain

[@lenfert4]

The 2020 Outback Touring is likely going to have the 2.4 turbo option. Pretty much an XT and same engine that is in the Ascent.

[@dj9151]

Just bought our 1st Subaru Outback. 2019 3.6 Limited. $32,999. The wife left a Jeep Grand Cherokee and so far so good.

[@CTOInformation]

how is the cabin noise ?

[@dj9151]

I drive a truck regularly but when I drive the Subaru it’s very quiet. I drove it on a 700 mile road trip and I enjoyed the cabin, ride, performance etc.

[@NinjaNikki74]

I test drove a Rav 4 before I bought a Subaru Crosstrek, the Rav 4's interior was nicer but I liked the Crosstrek better. 2 years later I traded in the Crosstrek for the Outback to get a bigger engine. I didn't get a base model Outback so it did cost me almost 40K, but I love all the technology in it.

[@scaldon2]

New rav4 coming to a uber, Lyft , or yellow cab near you .

[@SnowbirdSteeze]

I was cross shopping these cars with the Forester and CRV. Ended up with a 2019 Outback 3.6R for $33k out the door 😐

[@bowie2004]

was it manual?

[@tonychau1983]

@@bowie2004 dont come in manual anymore

[@SnowbirdSteeze]

Bowie CVT but imo, it’s fine. It’s like a touring sedan - excellent and very linear power delivery above 40mph. Passes better than a WRX, actually even though it isn’t nearly as quick. But it all depends on what you’re looking for. I needed AWD and was partial to Japanese brands (for reliability, call me old school)

[@tonychau1983]

😴

[@accordionlover8874]

I got 2015 3.6r. Put 45k on it and still enjoing. I got it for 33k too.

[@YourLocalUkrainianGerman]

Toyota looks like off-roader, but has no sensors and bad suspension,, also no AWD in series and not high enough...

[@moonsapling]

Most Rav4 owners dont take thei cars offroad but I am telling you a Non-Hybrid Rav4 AWD can take on a pretty hard stuff. There are a few people I know that lifted their 2014 Ravs and actually, they look good when are covered with mud. The On-demand AWD system works perfectly fine!

[@generalcaeser9176]

Keep in mind that although they have made major improvements to the Rav4 AWD system, it still isn't as good as the Subaru in deep snow, mud or ice in most situations.

[@sportshot2789]

It would have been informative if you tested them off road to see if the adventurer was as good as the Outback

[@guskovki]

Subaru can't go off road. I own one, you hit a bump in the road or a small curb and you have to do alignment right away. Lost alot of money on replacing tires cuz of that.

[@unonedva8407]

@@guskovki Could you please clarify? Is there any link? Thanks!

[@guskovki]

@@unonedva8407 no links, just my personal experience. In the 7 yrs I've owned my car i have had to replace my tires almost every year. Reason why i ended up going through so many tires is becuase of alignment. I used to drive over 5000 miles a year and it would eat away at the tires like crazy. When i took my car in for maintence i asked them what's going on, they said they recommend alingment every 6 months, max once a year. They said you hit a curb just a little, pot hole, or off road, you need to do alignment right away. Joked and said how come they advertise it as an off road vehicle, they laughed and said, it's not. There's a 10 mile stretch where i used to drive that was gravel. You couldn't drive faster then 20 miles an hr, cuz it slides all over the place and it doesn't have very good control. If another car is coming, i had to stop to let them pass, that's how unstable it is on gravel. Only thing the 4 wheel drive is good for is snow, if one wheel slides the others pick it up and push on through. But not for off roading.

[@edwu8253]

That RAV4 would be great if the price was $33k

[@whiterockrunner]

it is. the video is wrong

[@Ratchetanium]

I still don’t understand why people don’t think hybrids can perform better than their gasoline counterparts. Did everyone forget that the McLaren P1 is a hybrid?

[@Emilthehun]

Last snow storm we had I couldn't count the number of Toyota stuck on the roads. Yet didn't see a single Subaru. What's that tell you?

[@shahedhasnat]

Thank you guys for mentioning that engine noise. I test drove one and was surprised by the annoying engine noise.

[@claytonl433]

I would say Subaru, but that transmission won't last forever.

[@hamerplayer1229]

Talking to the Subaru service technician and she said many Subaru CVTs blow at 100k miles. Just pulled the trigger on a new Santa Fe 2.0 Ultimate because it had everything and no CVT. I waited and waited for Subaru to come out with something to replace my 2007 Outback XT and they have lost their way. Very safe cars but nothing in their lineup is worth buying as long as it has that CVT

[@claytonl433]

@@hamerplayer1229 Subaru's manual transmission's are rock solid though

[@TheHoth1]

Not sure if Subaru has addressed the blown head gasket issue.....so hard pass for me

[@Spike-13]

I would go Subaru all day!

[@lifeofmike556]

What's more reliable?

[@mikeperez5567]

@@lifeofmike556 Toyota

[@mikeperez5567]

Why?

[@diz2317]

RAV4s for the soccer mom and Subarus for the ex hippie

[@spicysnowman8886]

They can be interchangeable

[@callumlaroi2072]

It's not a good idea to compare a top-trim car for the Rav 4 and a base model for a Subaru.

[@AudioHead809]

Symmetrical awd isn’t a fancy way of saying awd all the time. The drivetrain is physically symmetrical. Axles are all the same length. Transmission is symmetrical, so on and so forth. So it actually has purpose behind it’s name.

[@gene978]

Comparing the interiors of a fully optioned NEW Rav 4 to a older BASE level Outback. And Subaru is doing a complete overhaul for 2020.

[@wesleymajure5132]

I just priced a RAV4 Adventure and it was $32,000.

[@Roaming50]

I test drove the Rav4 Adventure and for only a few k more I bought the 4Runner Limited instead. On road the Rav4 is nicer and it does have a nicer interior. On rough/dirt roads the 4Runner is superior and I love the room and size of it. But, its gas mileage does suck; I'm averaging 19.5 highway, about 16.5 around town. Oh well, can't have everything.... Luckily, I don't need to commute in it. If I did, It would probably be a different vehicle...

[@gabem.5691]

Colorado Biking isn't the limited rear wheel?

[@Roaming50]

Gabe M. The normal ones are RWD. The Limited is permanent AWD with (I think) rear bias.

[@vigor3d]

Now compare them off road together to see which gets you the furthest before getting stuck.

[@CliffWarren]

Really glad my daughter went with a Honda CR-V, AWD, non-CVT and non-1.5L turbo for about $25K. That car will last.

[@afcgeo882]

Cliff Warren non-CVT? Try again! Honda hasn’t made a non-CVT CR-V in many years!

[@stevennuckols2092]

Today I went with check in hand to the Subaru dealer to pickup my 2019 Forester only to find out all the Foresters are under recall for an issue with the electronic power steering. This was the first I was told about this, the dealership took my deposit and said nothing last week. The part to be replaced is due in this week accord to the dealership. Side note: The Forester is on the cover of The April addition of Consumer Reports and scored a recommend.

[@gregchiropolos9885]

You know the Consumer Reports is basically the national Inquirer of reviews!

[@brodiwheeler7583]

Steven Nuckols Oil leak on my WRX at 49,000 miles and going back and forth 4-times to the Subaru Service drive just to get it handled under Powertrain Warranty! Then they tell me I might want to do the spark plugs in 5,000 miles... I asked them to recommend any additional work while the motor was out that would save time/money/inconvenience... then they tell me I might want to do plugs after the engine is all put back together in the car again & I’m there to pick it up? No way never again will I buy Subarus. They make a couple cool cars but their service & reliability is unacceptable to me. I have a friend in another state who has the same issues with his Subaru Service Dept. I don’t know what’s going on with them but Subaru is a Lease under warranty only vehicle in my book. Good luck with yours sir.

[@wendywalter3705]

Don't feel bad all car company's have recalls . I just tried to test drive the new Rav4 TRD (not able) it was being held because of a new safety recall.

[@wg5768]

For the price of that Rav 4 adventure,I'd buy the new Honda Passport in a minute!

[@matthewjohnson1211]

1000% agree with you! ya gotta be nuts to pay over 30,000 for a rav 4 of ANY ttrim level...

[@futbol1972]

Iam debating between the xle rav4 hybrid or the forester sport? I don't go off roading but I wanna start taking my family camping so iam assuming I will need AWD... I live in california so don't really need awd but I guess it will be good to have it just in case. I will be adding mud tires to the car I buy and also an ikamper and hitch for bike rack:) Just don't know which one to buy hybrid rav 4 or forester sport...

[@tomaszj.9608]

Neither one of you mentioned anything about the safety features (especially Eyesight), which is a primary reason for many buyers to choose a Subaru. Also, for 10 grand more, you could get a touring version of the Outback with a 3.6 6-cylinder engine. IMO, not a very good review....

[@sa1126]

Not to mention the previous generation RAV4 has poor IIHS ratings where the outback is a top pick.

[@ndk4]

I need some advice here, if anyone have the same problem. Does your outback, when you close any door, the car shakes?

[@llamawizard]

I have a 3.6R outback. I love the car I don't think I could tolerate the 4 banger.

[@somestuffithoughtyoumightl6985]

Trim levels matter immensely. I lamented over my purchase of the “limited” model, but each day am thankful for my decision.

[@Shahabbi]

I love it, bring back the old classic segments like this!! Keep up the great work guys!

[@gregherman4691]

I purchased a new Outback in 2017, had RAB and many electrical problems from the start. After only a couple of months I had the car in the deanship for repairs. The dealer only deleted the PC history, did nothing to fix the problem, and does not supply the needed paperwork to prove I was there. Problems got MUCH worse. In for repair 10 + times, towed in 4 times. After contacting Subaru customers support, they said because the dealer refused to supply paperwork for your visits, they refused to refund my money for the Lemon the sold me. Car was traded in, because it would not work, still under warranty, still not fixed because they didn't know how to fix it. Lost well over $14,000 because Subaru does not stand behind their cars, or the customer.

[@adamjonathan1421]

Refutation of reliability and durability, that's why Toyota RAV4 the top selling in its segment.

[@moparmaga]

CVT = disposable car. When the CVT goes out you can pay $5000+++ for a new one or take your Outback to the scrapyard and buy a new car. Don't take my word on it, feel free to google how much a replacement CVT costs. I am surprised all the "environmentally conscious" people that it seems these types of car attract do not weigh the disposability factor. Rav4 all the way. Even if you are only keeping the car a few years or get a new car after 80,000 miles or whatever, resale value is affected, as second hand buyers know, when the CVT goes out, you tow the carcass to the crusher.

[@tonychau1983]

But I get to save that 1mpg.

[@WolfKingJS54]

What are the best tires in your opinion?

[@travisrodriguez4080]

Should have tested with an LE Rav4 would have been a better comparison.

[@godwinc215]

For the next car I wanted to get to replace my aging Mazda, these 2 were at the top of my list as well as the Forester. The big plus of Subarus is that they tend to top lists during safety tests..their assisted braking is known to be very consistent. They also seem more dog friendly, and I have a 95lb big boy. (The sloped back to the Rav4 suggests my dog might not have adequate space in the trunk area if the back seats are up.) But TFL talk of recalls under 5,000 miles for the Outback and the very bad rep concerning the longevity of CVT transmissions that aren't in Toyota or Honda's makes me want to stay away from Subaru models. The Rav4 conventional automatic transmission and more progressive look definitely add to its appeal. (Though Subaru have approved in look, they still seem a bit boring and too conventional.) So I guess I am mainly torn between Safety vs. Longevity. Hmmmm...

[@warhmonger]

Did you know that Toyota and Subaru are ranked the best when it comes to safety tech..

[@jancromie2151]

I see the Forester, especially in the top-end Touring trim, is like the 5 passenger mini-Highlander I wish Toyota would make. With comfortable legroom for four adults, and in a pinch, 5 adults is great. The heated front and back seats, along with 2nd row climate controls, Android and Apple Carplay, plus all the safety features and even a Driver recognition for distracted drivers which is also linked to the memory seats and mirrors is really nice. My main problems were with my wife's freeway commute, the 4 cyl engine had very slow 0 To 60 times and we didn't like the shuttering auto stop/start system. If these concerns don't bother you, the car is worth checking out and the Forester gets great gas mileage and has unmatched crash scores. I'd love to have both Longevity and Safety. Consumer Reports for 2018 Reliability: Toyota #1 vs Subaru #6 and for Safety, check out the IIhs.org crash ratings; both are top safety picks, but while the Forester is totally Good throughout, the Rav-4 rates Poor in the Passenger overlap test- it's worth a look. The Rav-4 is just a little too small for us, the Forester is the perfect size and had better legroom-but needs a quicker engine; so most likely we will wait and get a new a 2020 Highlander.

[@llucq1]

comparing apples to oranges regarding features, high end Rav to low end Subaru. Rav SUVs are currently on hold due to recalls.

[@anilmahabirsingh422]

Do you all know that Toyota owns a part of Subaru now

[@rodneydecormier1504]

Actually it's a working limited partnership

[@Michael-ur5qb]

I just hope they don't ruin Subaru. Subaru is boring enough they don't need to make it worse.

[@afcgeo882]

Rodney Decormier actually, Toyota is the largest shareholder of Subaru stock at 17%.

[@DragonDragon-ym4gs]

Subaru is the first brand to use all wheel drive

[@Jo5ue1]

Subaru Forester Sport better option than that RAV4

[@sparklander]

The RAV4 is the newest design platform and the Outback is 5 years into it's model design. Compare the RAV4 to the new 2020 Outback and it will be a much closer test with the new Turbo in the Outback.

[@Pc-rev]

Just bought a 2018 Outback 3.6R Premium (I think you call it touring in the US). This version is much closer to the price of the reviewed RAV4. The interior is very luxurious and the 3.6l is way quieter than the RAV 4's 2.5l engine and leaves the Toyota in my rear view mirror.

[@Pc-rev]

@@radsr2109 Touring as in the vehicle trim, not the actual act of touring the US...

[@thebomb1393]

I have the 2016/7 Outback. Diesel. Black with Cream leather interior. Looks much more premium than the Outback shown here. It’s been the best car I’ve owned.

[@JasonShipley1979]

I’m going with Subaru, Subaru all the way!

[@carholic-sz3qv]

You know that toyota owns about 15% of Subaru that's also the reason of the ae86/brz

[@JasonShipley1979]

Le Chat Botté yep I already knew that

[@dannybel]

Subaru would be nice if they didnt get rodknocks left and right

[@JasonShipley1979]

Danny Bel Subaru’s are nice regardless. I have one and haven’t had any problems or anything with it

[@JasonShipley1979]

End OfTime to be honest I love Subaru and have no complaints about mine no problems with it, at least not yet as it’s still new with 700 some miles on it is all

[@moe_2412]

Wow - Rip the Subaru throughout the review and then pick it over the Rav 4! That must have hurt to say.

[@Giobemo]

"Id get the Toyota... I think it's just a little newer... It feels a lot more updated." Yeeeaaah, that's because the RAV4 was updated in 2018 and the Outback wasn't updated until 2020. It also might feel 'newer, nicer and more updated' because you're comparing a premium model to a base model. All rather silly.

[@stephenspain9167]

The RAV4 looks nice but is just too expensive. A coworker let me drive her 2019 rav4, then she told me what she paid for it. Essentially she paid the same as I paid for my 2017 xle highlander and there is no way I'd trade a highlander for a rav4.

[@bextar6365]

Re-sale red shoes on Roman..

[@brendanomara339]

Not sure how you can compare cars with that much disparity in cost, but Oh Well? I don't think anyone's 4-wheel drive can match up to Subaru's, even at $10,000 more! I'll put my Outback 3.6, which now we are talking about the same price any day of the week!

[@aarons8168]

For a $10k difference, more room, great resale....outback all day long

[@randykrus9562]

That Rav 4 looks huge next to the Outback in the opening!

[@videopyc]

Please Tflcar stop asking 4 cylinder japanese Suvs to sound like genuine sportcar. It is unfair. We will end up listening to a fake motor sound thru the speakers. Let me remind you that owners buy those vehicules for one reason: reliability/re-sale value. The japanese Suvs that you reviewed are mostly used as commuter vehicules or mall crawlers. They will provide a safe AWD driving experience on any road conditions. But again you always try to compare those 4 cylinders AWD commuter Suvs to the Body-on-frame legit 4WD Suvs/trucks or rock crawling Jeep alike vehicules. There is a large market for Toyota and Subarus AWD 4 cylinders vehicules. But it clearly does not make you guys, the TflCar reviewers, excited at all.

[@_EmeDos]

Please find a way to compare the Subaru Forester Sport with the Toyota RAV4 Adventure!

[@smokeu600]

Subaru Outback for the win

[@smokeu600]

Norm T I was sitting at a red light, and got rear ended. The other driver was going about 45 miles an hour, it totaled my Subaru out but I walked away. Because of that we got another 2018 Subaru outback. I’m 6’3 250 pounds and I love the Outback. With my wife and 2 kids it Haul’s up without any issues.

[@john-okc450]

OR for $43K, you could get a Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk V6, with real transfer case, ELSD locking rear diff, Air Suspension.

[@v8_sami]

Jeeps are the least reliable vehicle you can buy. People who shop between these two are people that want reliability from the vehicle.

[@afcgeo882]

The average Rav4 sells for around $29k, bit ignore facts and listen to those two idiots.

[@john-okc450]

@@afcgeo882 Where in that video was the AVERAGE Rav4??

[@afcgeo882]

JOHN-OKC no one said it was in the video, but it’s important to mention that even the Adventure trim can be built to $34k, not $40k and can be actually had for less. Furthermore, why didn’t they compare it to an average Rav4? Because they couldn’t get one. The press car was an Adventure. Did they mention that tidbit? No. So if you want to compare the highest trimmed and optioned Rav4 to the Grand Cherokee, lets compare it to the highest trimmed Grand Cherokee. The GC Trackhawk is $80k, or twice the price of the Rav4. By the way, for the Adventure trim to hit $40K, it needs to be optioned with all the options AND all the dealer accessories as well. Then it hits $40k without any discounts. However, the Grand Cherokee Trailhawk starts at $42,540 and goes north from there. No safety features like adaptive cruise control, brake assist, collision warning, or lane departure warning that you get on the Toyota. No HID or LED lighting, no cargo area cover, no sunroof. The fact that you’re comparing the two means you don’t actually get it, or cars in general. You wouldn’t buy a compact CUV to begin with. This video... it isn’t for you. You still play Tonka trucks.

[@john-okc450]

@@afcgeo882 I paid 43K for a trailhawk with all of those features 4 months ago. I traded in a subaru forester. Who's not getting it?

[@academiaengineering5136]

I will prefer the rav4 over the subaru and any other suv and crossover because of the way how it looks like in the interior and exterior

[@LocoDirewolf]

$40,000 for the Toyota, with a 4 cylinder engine? No thanks. We just picked up a 2019 Outback 3.6R Limited, fully loaded, for well under $40,000

[@Guy2ardenis]

I'll go with the Subaru

[@altrock86]

Tommy wants to see more technology in the Toyota? It already has more than I would want or use . What else would you want?

[@danielnormandeau2393]

I have a 2018 Limited Outback I drove both before purchase the Outback Limited is a very premium vehicle.