We Drove As Far North As You Can & It Only Took 30 Hours Of Charging - Northern Lightning Ep.5

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[@TFLtruck]

Our support truck is the "Unsung Hero" of this expedition: Full story is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIabqHScnNiEpcU

[@RichardJoashTan]

And I will buy a fully loaded F150 Lightning anyway.

[@hokieinidaho]

Your support truck would better be spent pulling that Lightning back home. Much more efficient and effect vs. trying to juice it back up. But I do appreciate the entertaining exercise in this trip!

[@metalted6128]

@@RichardJoashTan why? Just wanted to know? You must have more time to waste than, common sense. Wanting the head ache. Or you are just dreaming? Please share when you make your purchase. Cause I’ll bet you, your all talk!!!!

[@metalted6128]

@@RichardJoashTan you should have a job first to be able to buy, a brand new fully loaded anything. Your a dreamer, not a doer !!! Please let us know when you make your purchase!! I’ll help you with contacts to buy one, Monday Please. Your only talk!!! Not actually buying one.

[@erlcfilmer5889]

Only 30 hrs lol

[@javelinadad]

The Powerboost is an unsung star in this series. Not even a tiny hint of drama from the support vehicle.

[@scottlyons6977]

Agreed. I have one, it's an amazing truck!

[@Johnson13210]

I fully agree, the data doesn't lie. I still think that battery technology potential energy vs a raw liquid energy gas or diesel or a hybrid of both is still the way to go.

[@crforfreedom7407]

I didn't see anyone here towing a load. Most people who buy pickups that I know, buy them to pull trailers. Not all the time but on occasion, like I do. I hear they don't do well towing loads. THAT would have been more impressive to see. Perhaps IMPOSSIBLE to see...

[@billyunderwood7221]

Yes. I think at this point in time the Powerboost offers the perfect mix of capability and efficiency. That power train is truly impressive.

[@hydrothermalworm7778]

@@crforfreedom7407 Watch one of the bunches of videos TFL has done pulling max load on the Ike with the Ecoboost then?

[@Mr.Ramirez95]

David is such a chill guy, he's open to new ideas even though he's the old school kind of guy.

[@ryan_bitt]

You can tell they wouldn't be able to do this trip without him! He's their McGuyver!

[@dupre7416]

I was thinking the same thing. David is definitely the kind of guy you want on your team. We should all try to be more like David. We could use more people like him. 👍

[@dezmod1644]

Like being vaccinated

[@raymondluna3187]

@@dezmod1644 only dumb people take experimental drugs

[@dezmod1644]

@@raymondluna3187 or not, it wasn't experimental,

[@Shelbyj13]

That's awesome that someone saw you were coming to Alaska and wired his house so you could charge the truck on your way to Fairbanks. 👍👍⚡

[@LorenDavis]

Christoph, You're the man!

[@mcar6592]

The school bus guy was excellent and informative. He is really tracking the cost/benefit ratios that are so important. Good job! Love the laid back presentation.

[@bradnoyes7955]

I agree, its really interesting to see how expensive electricity is up there. For contrast, its $0.07/kWh here (or 1/6 the cost), that would be like if they had to pay $26.64/gal for diesel (currently $4.44/gal here *6)

[@fatamorganascalaska6870]

From an Alaskan Electrician who helped build Coldfoot Camp 47 years ago, Good Job!

[@wb5mgr]

What this entire series is done it’s basically sell me on wanting to buy that F150 hybrid. It’s really the best of both worlds and having that built-in inverter is a really great feature for a lot of reasons. I’m not sure I’m ready to replace my truck yet but if I did I would sure go for that over the EV.

[@americancapitalist9094]

I don’t know why they aren’t pushing Hybrids more. EV’s aren’t a viable solution outside cities yet.

[@3-MPH]

I have one. It's great. They should keep developing this powertrain and add a plug-in option.

[@davec.3198]

Think of all the money you could make recharging EV's with 0% power on the side of the road.

[@Matt-dx3wo]

Best for who? Definitely not for the climate

[@davec.3198]

@@Matt-dx3wo EVs aren't either. Fossil fuels powered as well.

[@CautiousDavid]

Loving the Alaskan spirit of the folks up there, I think that’s my favorite part of this series. Folks seem rugged, honest, and there’s a real sense of looking out for each other, it’s quite heartwarming.

[@CarriUSA]

Hard work ethics…they seem to bring their kids up right too.

[@wilmarbarrick3194]

Thanks for taking the time to demonstrate what a cluster ownership of the Lightning can be for tasks greater than driving to the office or supermarket.

[@derekk6906]

Hey, the F-150 Light is the perfect Truck for hauling bags of Mulch in the Suburbs.

[@wilmarbarrick3194]

@@derekk6906 hmm... I suspect it can but a couple yards of mulch might take a day and a half to get back home. Andre will need to do a MPG loop just to make sure.

[@ajsturtz]

Or for a contractor working a job site. Can’t wait for the Milwaukee edition with built in charging. No more noisy gen running all day.

[@javelinadad]

Yea, everyone puts a camper on their pickup truck and goes to Alaska on weekends. Lol It's an AMAZING piece of engineering. Not to be impressed is..... Well, I'll stop there. :)

[@wilmarbarrick3194]

@@javelinadad Oh, it's definitely a piece of work. No question about that. Worst application they could've made for an EV was consumer truck. It'll work fine as a car... which a lot of people do with their trucks but it does a quick faceplant when you actually need a truck.

[@DavidC166]

Now you should make a trip called Southern Thunder (because you can’t have thunder without lightning) and come down to the southernmost point of the continental US, Key West, Florida, during Aug/Sept. This trip would allow you to test the charging stations from the NW to the SE US, and see how the electric truck does in high temperatures. We’ve been averaging 97 degrees @ 90% relative humidity daily, plus all of the Thunderstorms.

[@MultiPurposeReviewer]

YES! I absolutely 100% want to see this!

[@MrCPPG]

Lol. That would just be an awesome vacation.

[@JuanGarcia-zq5tp]

Yeah but cars don't feel humidity. Phoenix has 100 days a year with 100+ degree temperatures and every year they hit over 115!! And lets not forget about Death Valley in California, which holds the world record at over 130!!

[@RustyShacklefordlivefreeordie]

I love David so glad he went on the trip!

[@dalejones4322]

Amazing series. You've informed us all how far EVs have come and how far they need to go. The kindness shown to you from your viewers up there is a testament of the community you have created. Thanks for doing this guys.

[@TFLtruck]

Thank you for watching and your kind words.

[@BertGraef]

@@TFLtruck In May of 1989, I solo drove my VW diesel golf from Winnipeg, Canada, to Anchorage, Alaska in 3 days. 3000 miles. Burned 60 gallons of diesel fuel @ way under 1.00 gallon. Cheapest fuel was in Alberta Canada. About 50C/ gallon Slept in the car. No backup. No "plans". Stopped for fuel about 8 times. 5 minutes to fill and pay. Thought nothng about it being "epic" or "amazing. Just wanted to see Alaska. Going back was basically the same , but stopped to take in Valdez and Fairbanks and northern BC before tooling around the Canadian Rockies before heading back to my boring prairie town . This was the year of the Exxon Valdez disaster. Thousands of folks were cleaning up the shore around Prince William sound with detergents. Great, I thought, just add more chemicals to the problem. 6000 miles in under two weeks. Never had range anxiety. The diesel was remarkable in the mountains where I averaged 60MPG. The EPA destroyed the VW diesel, as it is intent on destroying all diesel engines . One of the most amazing engines ever built. Its incredible reliability and efficiency is ignored, while jokers like Musk are touted as the saviors of mankind and live off of goverment funds and largess. This world has gone bonkers.

[@GamingProject23]

And that was only after pretty much 100 years of ICE development and infrastructure building ;)

[@GRJannyDempsey]

In 2010, we spent 3 months pulling our 31’ Airstream to Homer, Alaska at the END of the road. Gas was over $6 per gallon. Bucket list of our lives! If you have the chance and an RV. You must go! The people you will meet along the way will change your life. Just smile and say Hello. So many wonderful experiences.

[@airborne1283]

David is the best addition to the TFL team ever.

[@mitchstein288]

Very cool. I'm glad you guys did it and not me, as that drive looks challenging. What cool people you met up there. The guy that owns the school bus company, what a smart guy holy smokes. And that 23 year old that owns the restaurant and is an aviation mechanic? That is very impressive. Also the Powerboost is like a Swiss army knife of trucks. Saved the day. Great work as always guys. Looking forward to the next one.

[@DesTheBusiness]

David busting out Spinning Wheel made me an even bigger fan of his. Great series. Keep up the great content.

[@derek6947]

Dave’s talents continue to amaze me!

[@skydouglas996]

EV trucks are a long way from being practical, especially for towing, but it’s getting better every year. I’ll give it a few more years before I make the change. Congratulations on being a “pioneer” and making EV truck history!

[@Elcostagus]

This perfect for farming. I can't wait to get one

[@reallyemptypockets6509]

The puppy 🐶 was definitely the highlight of the trip.

[@TFLtruck]

For sure!

[@sharonb.9128]

Great video. Amazing journey! One of the most interesting aspects are your fans. The guy that watches the show, realized you’d need more charging and set it up in his home was so heartwarming. Just a great example of the promise that “you’re not alone” and “together, anything is possible” during our darkest hours. Thanks for taking this trip.

[@larrysmith6797]

You do realize this video covers driving 496 miles from Fairbanks to Coldfoot with 30 hours of charging. Plus they drove way under the speed limit. They were averaging no more than 8 MPH for drive time + CHARGE TIME. The eco-boost could do it on LESS than one tank of gas IN 11:15.

[@sharonb.9128]

@@larrysmith6797 you do realize the EV charging system is in it’s INFANCY and it’s the charging infrastructure NOT the vehicle responsible for 90% of the delay. With the proper charger the 150 goes from 20 to 80 in 45 minutes. It’s more powerful than the ICE F-150, faster, quieter and more capable. You’re clearly not, but many people are more than ready to begin enjoying the benefits of EV’s. Nothing’s perfect, so we all pick our poison.

[@bradmagnuson6963]

@@larrysmith6797 they were doing more than 8mph. Also, you can't point the finger at the truck, you have to realize how remote the trip was, and the fact that charging stations weren't available beyond a certain point, and that there were other options available to them for charging. This video proved that this kind of trip is possible in an electric truck. What the video does NOT do, is show that electric vehicles aren't practical.

[@davidmahan4160]

What a great episode I loved it. Spectacular scenery and what lovely folk you met helping you charge your vehicle. The electric school bus was interesting and what a star your subscriber Christoff Webb was at his own expense upgrading his power outlet to help you charge the F150 lighting. Loved Happy Valley camp and restaurant, I would love to stay there, even if it was just to support Kyle Benson and meet Otis, what a great place. Looking forward to next video. 😊👍

[@kylebenson3556]

You are welcome anytime from early June till mid ish September

[@pineychristian]

When your drawing 38 amps on a 30 amp dryer plug on episode before we knew you would have problems. Thank God for the breaker working. I have seen defective breakers before. Glad to see you made it work ...

[@davidcolgan3268]

Very interesting data collected by that school bus operator. Have enjoyed everything about this series.

[@venom5809]

David is not only handy, he's hilarious.

[@DLTJR1959]

This is a great video. Very informative. Should be mandatory viewing for anyone pushing electric over ICE. It ain't all cookies and cream.

[@seanm3ify]

No one is saying it’s cookies and cream.

[@chrisg1234fly]

Electric is fine as long as you live in a country that can produce enough electric!!! Here in South Africa its dinosaur juice if you want gauranteed transport!!

[@derekk6906]

I believe Ford CEO Jim Farley and GM CEO Mary Barra, believe it will be an easy transition. Didn’t they announce plans to be all EV in less than a decade? That will be bad for many Americans.

[@wadeb.5509]

Especially the school bus. He's gathering data and learning a lot all while setting government (our) money on fire.

[@kdrapertrucker]

All the people pushing electric are on the east and west coast, the big cities. They never get out of those cities and know nothing about the rest of the country.

[@NickTarterOKC]

Very impressive work gentlemen. Personally I'd be going for a plug in hybrid over full electric, but it's really cool to see you get all the way to Deadhorse in the EV pickup nonetheless.

[@bradmagnuson6963]

Eventually, hybrids will be phased out

[@NickTarterOKC]

@@bradmagnuson6963 I doubt it will be any time soon. The current US administration blows a lot of smoke, but until the infrastructure matches their big dreams it won't happen. We are still far from being ready to be all electric. ICE still makes the most sense for most people and likely will for a while.

[@marc-oliviercabot3380]

When i bought my Prius Prime, i wanted a car that i could go to work with, charge it at my workplace on our employees EV plugs and then come back home without using gas. I also wanted NOT to be at the mercy of recharge stations when i went on longer trips. It works just fine but next time (in 10 or 11 years), technology will just be better so it will probably be an EV.

[@GoldenHart1970]

I think you guys need to keep this type of series going. Maybe now do an "Across America in a Lighting" and drive the truck to each state.

[@Dankcatvacs]

time foran east coast trip

[@TruckerMike089]

Let's not it'll take forever thanks to how long charging takes

[@chrisburling9046]

David is the most wholesome trickster of all time. Thanks for your videos, guys!

[@ta3000]

Great job on this series. Congratulations on executing a great idea. Cole's videography skills are getting awesome too.

[@ovidiucarstea2649]

15:43 WOW!! A big thumbs up for Christoph which installed a special plug for you guys, just after seeing the first video!! Many thanks!

[@daviddill5227]

Yet another video beautifully demonstrating that EV's are not ready for long distance travel. 14 hours to charging when it has been such a long trip is nothing I would ever want to do.

[@bluceree7312]

That is until they connect fast chargers. It's a matter of when, not if. In Norway where it is as cold, it is a lot easier to go to the arctic circle because fast charges are ubiquitous, and I'm not even mentioning ultra-rapid charging.

[@JackRussell021]

In the lower 48, there are DCFC in various spots, and you would never need to spend anywhere near that long. For passenger cars, roughly 20 minutes is all you need. Alaska is a challenge mainly because there are no DCFC up north of Fairbanks.

[@daviddill5227]

@@bluceree7312 - when? Its going to be a long time if you are a realist. A lot of places get fast charging predicated on need and population density. The only reason why Norway has EV's everywhere is because the government sells as much petroleum on the open market because it makes the country mone money than if they sold it to Norwegians. Norway has also a tiny population and their country is many many times smaller (and they don't drive nearly as much) as we do in the USA. COMPARING THE TWO COUNTRIES IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS ON A HOST OF LEVELS. To cover adequately the country with charging stations fast charging or insanely fast types charging is simple. You have fewer people than many states throughout the country, the don't drive as much, the country is tiny. So that shows you only need a tiny fraction of chargers in a country like Norway (problem solved)

[@daviddill5227]

@@JackRussell021 - under normal circumstances perhaps 14 hours is a little on the long side but when you are in a cold environment (anything from November-April above the Mason Dixon line and it is prohibitively more to use an electric school bus with battery charge loss on an hour by hour basis, it is a no brainet for cities and towns that EV's have a REALLY long way to go before they are worth a damn.

[@bradmagnuson6963]

David. You obviously didn't pay attention to the video

[@dsmith1934]

Not sure if someone beat me to it. But HUGE shoutout to Stretch (awesome name) and Cristof Webb for helping on your journey. Love that data from Stretch, that’s my kind of guy.

[@worshipingIAM]

What a great journey! the people and the places are amazing! I'd love to stay at a cabin in happy valley and enjoy a warm meal! I think the truck performed admirably considering the circumstances, taken it to the one of most remote places in the US with some of the least infrastructure and still managed to get it in and out, so yeah, it was a very long journey, but it DID make it.

[@kylebenson3556]

You are welcome in happy any time.

[@kylebenson3556]

You are welcome in happy any time.

[@wb3550]

@@kylebenson3556 that is a good looking pup.

[@beautepley8352]

I'm 30. When I'm 50, this road trip will be even more practical. We have a long way to go but the future is looking bright!

[@AgentSmith911]

Very cool video, and I found that school bus segment especially interesting 👍🏻

[@JohnJones-ty6fj]

It was eye opening.

[@christophercattie]

I'd watch a whole special on that guy and his bus

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Buy elrc schol bus

[@jakebus5039]

Loving this series! Like the guy with the school bus, giving electric a go, but as you see in real-world conditions it doesn't always work out.

[@bradmagnuson6963]

You also missed the part where he said they had high electric rates, making his electric bus not as practical as it should be. THAT was the problem there, not the electric bus itself. I swear, some of you people don't seem to pay attention and comprehend things

[@robgm6926]

The only reason he has the electric bus is the government grant. He couldn't afford to buy one. There's a video on KZbin where a guy compares driving a new electric International truck, close to the same weight class as the bus, and the same truck with a diesel. International provided the new trucks and a factory rep to explain everything. The price of the electric was over twice that of the diesel. The electric was heavier then the diesel with a full tank of fuel. Thus reducing the actual load you can haul.

[@bradmagnuson6963]

@@robgm6926 the weight has nothing to do with the cost difference, electric rates versus the cost per gallon of diesel is where the cost difference is

[@fiehlsport]

The lack of having a versatile EVSE on this trip really killed some of the charging opportunities. A Tesla mobile connector with every adapter (and an aftermarket TT-30 adapter for campsites), and a Tesla to J1772 adapter would’ve helped you guys so much.

[@davec.3198]

Opportunities?

[@metalted6128]

But this video wasn’t about a car? It was a pickup truck with a camper on it. You want to compare apples with oranges. Why?

[@fiehlsport]

@@metalted6128 who mentioned a car or comparing anything? I’m talking about a charger and adapters that would have helped them charge the truck faster.

[@sorenmelchior]

Glad you guys are doing this. As it shows not only the limited infrastructure we have here, but also some of the challenges we Alaskan's face such as our high cost of living to pay for such staples as DEET (mosquito repellent) . As well as our other costs... fuel, housing, food, beer... etc..

[@vancity_coaster]

I like watching y’all and your appreciation for the places you get to go while testing vehicles. Glad to see you came thru BC and got to appreciate it.

[@Noisy_Cricket]

David grinding that outlet down is exactly what my dad would do lol. He'd go "DADGUMMIT" at a certain point and start cutting that thing just like David did 🤣

[@TheJoshuaborden]

Good series. I’ll be doing this drive from Ontario soon. I’m glad I that I WONT be driving an electric vehicle.

[@bradmagnuson6963]

Cry harder

[@TwoWheelsThreeSheets]

Just posted our encounter together in Coldfoot on my channel! Great meeting you guys and congrats on the journey!! 🍻

[@hardrockminer-50]

I'm enjoying this journey a lot. You cheated us though by taking the ferry... Thanks for the insights. You make great comments about the Lightening being the 21st century's Model T. That got me to thinking about the road trip my grandma took one summer in 1929. She and her sister took 4 or 5 kids in their Dodge. They went from Dawson New Mexico to Yellowstone, Redwoods and back. Camping all the way. There couldn't have been many gas stations. Even earlier in the development of the automobile, gasoline had to be bought from a pharmacist. As I watched the progression of adaptors being strung together, I wondered why you didn't resort to a Redneck solution: strip wires on male and female and wire the truck in to the bottom of the breaker. OK, you did even better by adapting the adaptor👍 "Or, you can charge for free..." Can't believe you said that! Power in Coldfoot isn't cheap and it is from a diesel or coal fired generator. At best, power cost $0.20 per kWh if it's on the grid. If it's generated there in Coldfoot, closer to $1 per kWh. If you charge there for free, it's a gift from some good soul in Coldfoot. Alaskans are like that. They help each other and those in need.

[@Anubis78250]

The difference is the hybrid cost you fuel, the electric cost you fuel plus 250 a night lodging to access said fuel. You've got to factor your lodging in with the electric pricing because you can't just set up in the woods and charge it from a tree. You can take a traditional truck all the way and not spend a dime on lodging.

[@dmfick18]

Actually you can’t. It is a private road and you are required to stay at Coldfoot and Prudhoe Bay on the outbound and rebound. You cannot camp and you cannot go straight through.

[@Anubis78250]

@@dmfick18 Plenty of camp sites, even no rent camping in Coldfoot. Fairbanks to Prudhoe Bay is only 500 miles. I've never heard that they require you to stay anywhere. For how long? I've been told you can do Fairbanks to Prudhoe in one day in good conditions, you're telling me they make you stop? How far are you allowed to go before that? Did all the camp grounds get closed?

[@dmfick18]

@@Anubis78250 I've done it twice by motorcycle. "Only 500 miles" is very different on the haul road than elsewhere. It isn't a toll road and there is no one making you do anything but there are no campgrounds and you would be crazy to try camping. No one hangs outside for ten seconds. The mosquitos up there swarm like piranha - everywhere, and they get inside the toughest clothing. Dinner is served in both Coldfoot and Prudhoe Bay on a schedule - you sign up with your room reservation and everyone eats at once. No one tries to go straight through, not even the toughest truckers, which is why they have the huge trailer park hotel there. Too many road works and other delays - it's a dirt/gravel road with tons of maintenance all the time - and it is kept wet intentionally with road-spraying trucks to keep down dust, which makes it slick and gummy - you cannot go fast. On my return trip in 2018 there was a 6-hour closure about 50 miles north of Coldfoot due to a pipeline project, noon to 6 PM. Because the road is company-owned, they have no obligation to private users, allow them as a favor, but are very cavalier about accidents, deaths, injuries, have little or no support - very much a use-at-you-own risk situation. As to campgrounds, I think you are thinking of the Alaska Highway and other emote roads in Alaska, which are far more civilized. Still very few campgrounds, but they do exist.

[@SledorFish]

There is definitely a spirit to the people and Alaska itself. I spent a summer up there in 1999 and loved it. Waving a saying hi to everyone you see. Then I came home and out of habit waved at the first car across from me at a 4 way stop and got a dirty look, lol. Back to the land of the oblivious and grumpy people.

[@RetroRod-im6tl]

Yeah I'd like to also see a "cross country family vacation" scenario. In a time limit of two weeks. Showing all the costs and time involved vs a comparable ice vehicle. Great videos btw.

[@juggernaut316]

once you've got wife and kids waiting for hours upon hours for charging, it's a whole nother ball game

[@JackRussell021]

It has been done many times by many people. It is routine enough that people don't bother to make youtube videos about it any more.

[@bradmagnuson6963]

@@juggernaut316 showing you know nothing about charging an EV

[@trcass1]

Congratulations guys. You persevered and got the job done. It was good to highlight the good things, along with the bad. Hope you have/had a good trip back.

[@AntaresReborn]

Great on making it up that far. This trip showed how much further ev tech really needs to come along still.

[@m10rober2011]

I don't think the tech needs to go that much further, I think its a case of just needing more charging stations using the current tech. If there were DC fast chargers along the route from Fairbanks to Deadhorse that drive could have been done in only slightly longer than it would take in a gas car

[@cmdrdarwin3682]

@@m10rober2011 - I want whatever you’re smoking!😝

[@andrewadams8601]

@@cmdrdarwin3682 What are you talking about. If you watched the episode, all of their issues stemmed from not having access to fast chargers, or in some cases, any charger at all. Like Michael said, if there were fast charging stations along the road, then it just would have been a slightly longer trip than an ICE vehicle, but there wouldn't have been any real difficulties.

[@cmdrdarwin3682]

@@andrewadams8601 - There are not fast charging stations in most of the USA, with the exception of densely populated areas, thereby making your point null.

[@andrewadams8601]

@@cmdrdarwin3682 that was the point that Michael was making… the OP said that this series shows how far the tech needs to go, and the response was that it’s not so much that the tech needs to advance further; expansion of the current tech would have resolved all of the issues that they faced related to using an EV truck vs an ICE truck. So the points not null, just lost on you

[@MrCPPG]

The adventure was a success. Proving electric is up to the task was a failure and that is what I like about you guys, you are not afraid to show a fail. You guys were first to try it, congrats.

[@opensourcedev22]

6:45 isn't really true though. Charging isn't free. In fact the prices keep going up

[@jdlutz1965]

Only way to avoid any price increases is to produce your own fuel with renewable source.

[@haendel2004]

It is subsidized electricity, produced by coal/gas/diesel powered plants..lol

[@jdlutz1965]

@@haendel2004 many utilities are adding big solar to assist their other generation plants during high demand days like these hot summers. Renewable is obviously intermittent but it is viable and cheapest energy to produce.

[@haendel2004]

@@jdlutz1965 "intermittent" and "to assist" are the key characteristics of solar and wind generation. Hydroelectric plants are great, but still not for every state.

[@jdlutz1965]

@@haendel2004 oh, I'm fully aware of aspects of renewables but know that if we have a much bigger supply there will be many ways to utilize the energy via storage (pumped hydro, gravity, heat, chemical, etc.) and a grid that can dispatch excess to locations that are in short supply. I don't see a future continuing down the fossil fuel road.

[@grisa12345]

Great video representing the challenges with the current state of EVs outside of civilization. Sorry, can’t do David. Where’s Andre?!

[@jimfarmer7811]

People need to realize that basic chemistry means that battery density will never match fossil fuel density. Not even close. That means that any application that requires continuous high power, such as diesal farm tractors, can never be replaced with batteries.

[@zachanderson963]

This. Anyone holding their breath for batteries to ever match fossil fuel density will suffocate. Heck..Ford just announced they are using lithium iron phosphate in some future models..those have lower power density then lithium ion. We are going backwards.

[@carl8790]

The chemistry in batteries can always improve. We don't know what's going to be available in the next 5 to 10 years. Besides, battery capacity doesn't have to be 1:1 to fossil fuels' energy density, because BPEV efficiency is around ~70% from grid power to kinetic energy.

[@gregprince2523]

Keep pushing the boundaries guys!! The unsung no drama Hero was the fall back truck!! No drama, zip, zero, nada zilch......great job!!!

[@scottyellis3442]

Great video, absolutely my favorite channel. You make if feel as if I'm right there in the back seat on this adventure with you & David, can't wait until next week's episode. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@wjlambert]

25:39 - Happy Valley Airstrip is all that I could find, AK-11, Anchorage, AK 99519. StreetView's most recent photo is from 2011. Hope Kyle can get some more photos up

[@Chris-yh2xf]

I have no problems with EV’s but we must continue to improve them while also supporting our fleet of gas and diesel vehicles. They should not be a war on fossil fuels but rather a gentle slow progress away from them instead of screwing the public with high prices from canceling oil leases.

[@YZBot]

US oil production is at near record levels, only being surpassed immediately prior to COVID. US oil production has been steadily increasing since that time and will easily pass that record in the near future. The largest driver of oil prices in 2022 has been from the conflict in Ukraine. There was an immediate spike in price when it started, and has just now fallen back to the pre war price level. Prices at the pumps are also beginning to track down as well. It's looking to steadily keep falling as well.

[@AkioWasRight]

@@YZBot The price of oil was already going up before the Ukraine conflict. In January of 2022, it was already up about 60% from the year earlier. Also, the price of fuel is going down because people are parking their cars and demandis slowing, not because things are getting better.

[@jackmason7823]

@@AkioWasRight yes because the demand was increasing as we came out of lockdowns globally. January 2021 was mid pandemic, so the prices were artificially lower than normal. The war in Ukraine, combined with the world coming out of the pandemic, sent prices sky rocketing across the globe. We pay over $10/gallon here in the UK. Just trying to demonstrate that your gov and president isn't at fault for the high fuel prices, the global situation is and now retailers are keeping prices high even after the price of oil has fallen.

[@sharonbraselton3135]

@@YZBot master chef chief know gas irces went q0 or galon getbg hybred ekrrc hydrrg fkeet ready fir war

[@nwharbes]

I said it before and I say it again I don't care what anyone says electric cars need a lot of improvement if you going outside the city limits

[@towjamb57]

Which is why they should focus on commuter cars for now. A Maverick EV with under 200 miles range and priced equivalent to the gas model would sell itself.

[@m10rober2011]

I think the cars don’t need much improvement. That already have ranges similar to many gas car ranges. What needs work is the charging infrastructure. If there were level 3 chargers at every gas station even trips like this wouldn’t be a problem

[@bradmagnuson6963]

The cars aren't the issue, it's the lack of charging stations

[@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw]

@@m10rober2011 it's both I think, the current EV get about 300 miles of range on a charge to 100%. If you fast charge it takes 15 minutes to get to 80% (that's only 240 miles of range on a "quick full up"). My current car gets 350 miles per tank minimum all city driving. It will do over 500 all highway. I get that full range back in 5 minutes. EV needs an energy density breakthrough in battery tech.

[@MrPomo2]

The low fuel light came on in my car, 1/4 mile up the road ...there is a gas station.

[@bryanclark3739]

Congrats for being on the “Bleeding Edge of Technology” and taking us on this journey. It’s obvious that EV’s are not for everyone. I found it interesting that the EV school bus was more expensive to operate than a diesel school bus, but that may not be the case in the lower 48. Thanks again for the journey and keep up the good work.

[@xeridea]

Yeah, due to expensive electricity, and extreme temperatures. Design of system on bus likely far from optimal for conditions, with no insulation. They paid 42 cents per KWH, breakeven generally around 30 cents. National average is 11 cents, so if charging at home (which most people do), operating costs are much less. Fast chargers generally about 25-30 cents, so about break even.

[@stianthomassen6693]

Lower 48? States south of Alaska? I’m Norwegian so I am just asking.

[@capt_ramius]

The electric rate they showed is like 5x the average rate… so yeah it would be more expensive.

[@xeridea]

@@stianthomassen6693 Lower 48, or "continental US" is the 50 states, minus Alaska and Hawaii.

[@xeridea]

@@stianthomassen6693 Oops, I mean "contiguous US", "continental" includes Alaska, so is 49 states.

[@Lizzbird_]

Now it’s time to drive all the way to Panama 🇵🇦

[@larrysmith6797]

Why, they took a freakin' boat to Alaska.

[@jasonpitts8395]

I really enjoy these series. Honest reviews. AK looks beautiful

[@gungadinn]

That is a question better off not asked, as the answer doesn't bode well for ev vehicles. Try driving the ev in the winter when a functional heater is required. The range will be dismal.

[@crforfreedom7407]

...or trying to tow heavy loads. It has the body of a truck, but no other attributes of a truck.

[@tommccomb6794]

I enjoyed watching the Alaskan Pipeline running along the Dalton Highway, supplying oil to the world while you were creeping along in an electric truck.

[@sombrero53]

Can't wait to see the same trip in the middle of the winter... just to get the real knowledge about this truck in the north...

[@Johnthedagger]

Heard your comment about "people will say this vehicle sucks"....not exactly. The idea of a an EV truck is aspirational and getting closer to reality and your video was done objectively so we appreciate your time spent to do it. Am an engineer, question everything, and a lot of my questions were answered by watching so thanks much. I doubt I'll be in the market for another truck never mind an EV truck for around 5 years as just got a 21 Chevy LT Trail Boss last year but am glad the technology will be refined, the infrastructure (which is lacking density for even areas where EV density is robust) will mature, and that the battery disposal issues will be overcome. If EV technology means that trucks will lose capacity and capabilities then many truck owners will keep rejecting the alternative until that happens but if they keep improving on what looks like near term success then ppl will start considering it. No one wants to wait 14 hours for a vehicle to charge though (just a fact) and the charger technology has to improve and infrastructure has to be in place before ppl speak with their wallets. As usual, you guys were honest about your experience and we appreciate it

[@commanderroddi7742]

I do have to say, though, having lived in Alaska (Fairbanks) for 3 years, people there are just awesome.

[@peiguy1982]

We are an oil exporting country in Canada and our gasoline prices were close to that for a while. Been a 200 dollar fill up for 4 months now.

[@theupscriber65]

Gotta love capitalism. The big 3 oil companies have recorded record profits of 24 billion so far this year. Twice last year's profits. And they can continue to charge whatever they want because we have enough extra money that none of us are willing to change a thing about our lives in response to high prices. All we do is complain, we don't carpool or trade in our trucks for more efficient vehicles. So high fuel prices don't really matter.

[@shanebrown2963]

Boy we didn’t have this problem a while ago. I wonder why………

[@bradmagnuson6963]

@@shanebrown2963 you're not too bright, are you?

[@DJ_Underwood]

Honestly, even though there have been some complications with the electric truck, really I personally am a fan, journey or not, there is something special about this truck and what we will see in the future...

[@jameseroh6544]

Nice trip. Even with infrastructure to support electrics. The charging time is a no go. The extended range hybrids are the best option for the next few years. Where I work they offer free EV charging. And some people that live close by own EV's. But if a person lives in housing that does not have a garage or assigned parking. Parking on a street is one of the situations that an EV is not viable.

[@M8Stealth]

There's no such thing as free

[@AutumnWind92]

@@M8Stealth here you can change EV for free on every supermarket parking and at most office buildings . Ofc it's just so more people buy EVs then the "free" part from the charging will be removed. (Im in Europe btw)

[@JeepCherokeeful]

My old landlord didn’t allow slow charging even though there are outlets right in front of the parking spots. Makes sense though, there’s no provision determine how much to charge me.

[@bradmagnuson6963]

That's not really true. You can use a regular wall outlet, and a heavy duty extension cord

[@bradmagnuson6963]

@@AutumnWind92 not true. There's a grocery store near me, that has two free charging stations

[@HaroldCombs]

This was just delightful. Definitely “more the journey than the destination.” The window into the electric bus world (2-3 kWh PER MILE?!) was a treat too.

[@lkj0822g]

My main takeaway was when the guy said it costs more to run the electric school bus than it does to run the diesel school busses - and the only reason they bought the EV bus was because of an EPA grant. The same government that is forcing low cost coal and gas electric generation out of existence is also trying to force you into electric vehicles. Think about that one for a while.

[@bradmagnuson6963]

He also said it was because that area has high electric rates

[@scottw5315]

We are being led by people engaging in what I call dorm room politics. We have idiots who have done nothing but matriculate from Universities to government where money grows on trees in their minds. I bet that electric bus was 200k or more. I was in California a few months ago. The government was asking citizens to reduce electric consumption form 4-9pm to avoid blackouts. They can't support millions of these things on their grid. No way no how and they won't allow new legacy powerplants. A government sponsored train wreck is on the way.

[@AkioWasRight]

At peak hours, it's $0.52/kWh for "clean" energy here in California. It cost less to run diesel here, and diesel is $6.00/gallon, yet they want everyone to go EV. Imagine what happens when everyone does.

[@bradmagnuson6963]

@@scottw5315 nuclear is cost prohibitive and takes to long to build

[@scottw5315]

@@bradmagnuson6963 Nuclear hell, I bet you couldn't get a natural gas fired plant built in California today. Let them figure it out for themselves. I was in California in 2020 and experienced two blackouts. Wandering around South Lake Tahoe in the dark was pretty interesting in a post-modern sort of way.

[@FrankLSD38]

Freedom Factory hat!!! Cleetus has fans everywhere!!

[@hollatmynutz8375]

Dave is awesome

[@jamescharles8663]

I’m 23 minutes in and this is the BEST TFL video ever! Who knew David can sing. He needs to be on the voice or something. Really enjoyed seeing an electric school bus. Extra 750 dollars to operate is high, don’t think it’s worth it as a business owner.

[@scottw5315]

And the taxpayers bought it. How much was that? Yeah, I know EPA grant but still taxpayers bought it. If that thing breaks hard and needs many thousands in repair that little town has to pay for it. It may become lawn ornament at that point.

[@patrickbethel855]

@@scottw5315 And they are still paying extra by 750.00 a year over a diesel bus.

[@jessebrook1688]

Electricity at $0.42/kW will do that. It doesn't seem like Thomas put as much engineering into this bus as Tesla put into it's cars or Ford put into the Lightning and Mach E. There's little battery insulation, for example, and few signs that they did much but stick an electric drivetrain in a bus.

[@scottw5315]

@@jessebrook1688 And idiot bureaucrats will buy all that are produced, cuz environment...this young man applied for a grant and is to be applauded for his efforts. It's the idiots in Congress who are wasting our money. The Soviets went bankrupt for a reason. We seem intent on figuring that out for ourselves.

[@trendel13]

I Normally am a big EV guy but the infrastructure really needs more build out/more range before anyone can really do this sort of journey in a realistic and safe manner.

[@ajsturtz]

You can do this journey in the lower 48 without much challenge.

[@jessetherrien7851]

Maybe where you are but travel to the more rural areas and good luck finding chargers. The infrastructure is not there yet.

[@RichardJoashTan]

And I am glad that I will buy a fully loaded F150 Lightning Platinum anyway.

[@JeepCherokeeful]

Apparently you can’t even make the trip without another F150!

[@bradmagnuson6963]

@@ConsoleCombat not really, I use a quick charger, only takes me barely 20 minutes

[@MarkPdot]

I live in Palmer, AK and I have a dryer outlet you're welcome to use. It's only 30 amp but if you need it, just hit me up. Take as long as you need. No charge!

[@misawajason]

As much as I want to love this content, you've forced my hand. Taking ferries and having interns make a lot of the trip for you. You guys really missed out on what could've been an amazing piece. Even the "Gears and Gasoline" youtubers made it on their own finally.

[@TFLtruck]

Must have been super hard charging up the STI in a place with no charging infer structure….oh never mind🤦‍♂️

[@misawajason]

@@TFLtruck Just saying, if you're going to title your video "We Drove As Far North As You Can", then maybe you should drive it and not ferry/ghost drive it

[@metal80772]

Everytime David comes on camera, I see and hear a young Bruce Dern. It's uncanny

[@photomasterstudios9495]

Awesome Video, really gives a good demonstration with the biggest hurdle to tackle still with EV technology (range and infrastructure) while giving an awesome journey to prove the Lightning's capabilities going across the spine of North America and it is awesome to see the F150 Hybrid being able to support the Lightning when it wasn't feasible to use a campsite hookup to charge the EV.

[@kylebenson3556]

It was nice having you guys in camp. I’ll be adding charging stations in the future. However they will have to be powered by a diesel generator.

[@dansanger5340]

I love this series! But, it's weird how people are drawing spurious conclusions. Just because the guys in this video are having trouble finding adequate power outlets on the most remote gravel road in the country doesn't mean that EVs are impractical for normal people. How often do normal people go on road trips that involve traveling hundreds of miles on a gravel road in the middle of nowhere? Pretty much never.

[@bradmagnuson6963]

Yes! These people just don't get the point behind this video, that it is possible to do this kind of trip in an electric truck, despite the lack of actual charging stations, and that there are other charging options.

[@larrysmith6797]

Normal people? Alaskans routinely drive hundreds of miles on gravel roads in the middle of nowhere. You are a liberal bigot.

[@lesstevens2370]

Oh but I can't drive 3400 miles with no breaks 😢 😕 lol I hate those comments but that's people's mind set because free time these days is far and in-between most people have to work two jobs just to live not like the old boomer days... one person can support their family on 8hr days own a house and have money to purchase a car or truck now you need two people working two jobs just to afford food

[@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw]

I get where your coming from since most people have a short commute to work and could make due with under 300 miles of range. But our current vehicle can go much further (that powerboost will do like 700 miles to a tank). My Accord does 350 all city miles, 450 if I mix in some highway and almost 600 all highway and fills up in under 5 minutes. I think the argument always goes towards needs vs wants. An EV might easily meet people's needs (95% use cases) but not the wants (100% of use cases) like an ice vehicle can. Why pay more for an EV that can't do both needs and wants like an ice can?

[@bradmagnuson6963]

@@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw such a bullshit argument. EV's are just as capable of longer distance travel as ICE cars are. EV's also save money, since we don't buy gas. On a full charge from where I am, I can get to just over the Delaware state line, before I need to charge up again, and then i can go roughly another 100 miles before charging again. I drive an older model EV, that's why. I get anywhere between 90 and 115 miles of range, it depends on how much I drove before I plugged in. The car estimates how far you can go, before you need to completely recharge

[@briankissel7661]

So you took the truck on a trek it was never meant to go on (even the dashboard complained while you were driving). Sweet!

[@Adiscretefirm]

Good job TFL, you made some history.

[@TFLtruck]

Thank you for watching.

[@larrysmith6797]

@@TFLtruck 30 hours charging to drive 496 miles from Fairbanks to Coldfoot starting with a full charge. Google Earth says 11:15 drive time + 30 hours charging = 41:15 or 12 MPH average but you drove under the speed limit. You FAILED to report you drove 496 miles at something like 8MPH average.

[@bradmagnuson6963]

@@larrysmith6797 showing you didn't comprehend the point of the video

[@vegandiver]

Chad freakin Horton! Probably the last place I’d have expected to find him make an appearance. Ha good to see you man!

[@johnd5805]

Love to see a 12 hour docu series on TLC on this trip. We need this story now.

[@TFLtruck]

Or you can just watch it here. 😁

[@johnd5805]

@@TFLtruck agree. We are. trying to get you guys yuge, famous and totally out there and compensated.

[@neilbpence]

I met you on the way back at the Yukon camp. I didn't recognize or know it was The Fast Lane crew at that moment. I just thought you were an adventurous guy doing something first. It's great that you guys were the 1st!

[@kandoo1316]

Let's see a video of how well it does at -40 Celcius and in snow.

[@CarriUSA]

Well, I know at 30 degrees F it loses 40% range. Had to laugh at the guy who they had on the news who bought a Leaf. It took him 15 hours to drive 250 miles🤣 Where I am it gets to -35 degrees F and I wouldn’t even chance it. Besides needing 4 wheel drive or All wheel drive the cost all the way around for a EV is outrageous and unaffordable ….not counting doubling your car insurance and and a super charger installed.

[@BassPlayerUnderGrace]

Congrats on being the first to make it to Prudhoe Bay in an electric truck!!! And you made it harder than necessary with all the gear.

[@lwleedy]

Just curious what was the mileage on the PowerBoost?

[@maxmars]

Kills me that Roman seems so disappointed by the fact they could only charge at 30amps with the onboard power on the hybrid f-150. The fact its even possible is amazing to me. This trip wouldnt have been possible without that hybrid f-150. If anything this trip is way more about how cool that hybid is.

[@MrFordguy73]

Yes, you are so true, and I still feel like people overlook it, I've heard people say that it's a gimmick, I bought mine back in March and it is definitely a game changer, you can do things with it that you just normally don't have in your mindset, it's another tool with which you can do whatever you want, it changes the way you can't, the way you tailgate, the way you work, idling for hours on end without burning hardly any gas is next level, especially when it's 106 outside.

[@CJP3626]

Excellent series! A great, fair assessment of current EV tech. Entertaining and informative. All things considered, to make it a viable option, there needs to be a network of quick chargers every 80 to 100 miles everywhere.

[@TFLtruck]

Thanks for the thoughtful comment!

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Lot more etrc nkar wayledsragenthrev cars

[@claytonlehman4628]

This is hands down my favorite series of videos y’all have ever made. Great job!

[@eddiegardner8232]

What this trip has shown is that the TRUCK is totally capable of driving to Deadhorse. What is missing is a handful of standard charging stations on the route, not even a large number of them at each stop since there is not a lot of traffic on this route, just one or two in the right locations. Ford or GM or Chrysler or Flo or Electrify America should sponsor such a network for advertising cred.

[@bradmagnuson6963]

Electrify America has a hard time keeping a lot of their charging stations up and running. The CHAdeMO charger near me, is down more than it's ever been operational. They take forever to fix anything. The last time this charger was down, it was down for 3 or 4 months. It doesn't do any good to complain to EA, because they never respond in a timely manner, and their customer service is a joke. They need to improve their system

[@TruckerMike089]

Did you read that before you posted that. The truck is absolutely not capable of making it unless you have kindness from strangers or have a support vehicle.

[@bradmagnuson6963]

@@TruckerMike089 did you comprehend the whole point behind this video? I don't think you did

[@eddiegardner8232]

They didn’t have any trouble at all with the truck, only the lack of standard charging stations along the route. Not sure why this is hard to understand for some people. The “kindness of strangers” was only needed because of the lack of reasonably spaced charging stations along the route in the northernmost part of the haul road.

[@bradmagnuson6963]

@@eddiegardner8232 some people are just assholes, looking for any ridiculous excuse to say that electric vehicles aren't practical. They missed the entire point behind doing this video.

[@TassieEV]

What an amazing challenge you did. Thing is things can only improve, as more fast chargers get installed along the route and with your trip you also informed the locals as well never mind the rest of the world. Eventually who knows it could be as easy as Bjorn driving to North Cape from a charging perspective at least.

[@andrewjackson5127]

So you needed an electrician, a support vehicle, the kindness of strangers, unicorn farts, fairy dust, and who knows what else just to make this work. Shows the weaknesses of EV tech, especially the bus driver interview. Still it was a lot of fun watching and I love the scenery. Please never ever let David sing again ever, for the love of God, please. Keep in mind that electricity that you used is generated only 3% by renewable energy so you were generating probably more CO2 than you would have been with that hybrid truck. So it's too early for high fives.

[@SuzukiKid400]

Your observations are all fair but short sighted. All new tech has limitations that must be overcome with ingenuity and further development. That is what you should have taken from watching this video. You should be thankful that there are others out there willing to push the boundaries of what’s possible to show the areas that need improvement, because you seem like the type that would do things the easy way and not push yourself to try something new just because there is a little risk involved.

[@danielbass09]

@@SuzukiKid400 amen

[@danielbass09]

Your comparing new tech to infrastructure that has been around for decades and decades. If anything this shows how it is possible for EVs to replace fossil fuel cars. And with better improved engineering the bus won’t loose heat in the winter. He even said it’s the same diesel bus just with batteries. Once a company makes a proper 100% electric bus and doesn’t retrofit some batteries to it. It will smash any diesel bus. From watching this there should be hi 5s all round celebrate how good this tech will become in the coming years.

[@RetroRod-im6tl]

What everyone should take from this series is the global cabal craming this down our throat is they keep putting the cart before the horse.i love electric.its badass. But the energy density issue has not been resolved. Don't build 100k electric trucks before you solve this problem. It's ridiculous. You want to cram this down the world's throat? Fine. Solve the energy density issue in electric storage. I'll be more than happy to look at a electric truck at that point. Don't ruin my life by sending fuel cost into the stratosphere just to push your future utopian dreams through. Bottom line- if everyone drove electric today and all ice vehicles were to disappear, would you have more freedom or less? 99% of Americans cant go buy a 100k truck or car.and have a month to go on vacation somewhere,with a crew following them in case of a issue. Most can however buy a cheap car or truck and drive anywhere on vacation or for business. If everyone were driving these we would have less freedom of movement. And less money to use. It's that simple. Everything else is just fluff. Electric vehicles = less freedom,less money.

[@kubeanie18]

Yes but if my wife wanted to take my kid to school in town she could not charge a truck but once a week. It all depends on who's using it and for what

[@boomerbits2297]

Did the Dalton Highway in 2000 in a 10 passenger Econoljne van. No way would I take my personal vehicle up that road! It was fun watching you go places we have been and it hasnt seemed to change in 22 years. We were in Deadhorse on the 4th of July 2000

[@jollygreen4662]

This is why we still need hybrids. I would love to see a Chevy truck with a voltech system… or a f150 with a generator

[@bradmagnuson6963]

Hybrid vehicles will eventually be phased out

[@MrFordguy73]

Well, if you're watching this series you can see a F-150 with a generator, because the Powerboost has one.

[@jollygreen4662]

@@MrFordguy73 he is driving a lighting. It doesn't have a generator. If he was driving a lighting and his staff drove a f150hybrid. Sure, they can do that.. but they didn't. Because he only drove a lighting so the generator idea still a suggestion

[@bradmagnuson6963]

@@jollygreen4662 and a dumb suggestion, because a generator would defeat the purpose of driving an electric truck

[@jamesredman1263]

@@jollygreen4662 - Did you actually watch and listen to this? Most of the camera time was about the EV Lightning, but they absolutely were traveling with the F150 hybrid support truck that has a generator on its gas engine and they DID USE IT TO CHARGE THE LIGHTNING at least at one point when other charging options were seriously challenged. They showed all of that. For example, 9:40 to 10:00 or so.

[@ddnmd]

Thank God TFL does these test so we don't have to! If this dosen't prove EV is not ready I don't know what does. Maybe for large cities, but not for long trips or residential use. Not knocking them, but we are not ready.

[@MatrixDiscovery]

The real hero is the Hybrid F150.

[@colestreit1500]

With the freedom factory hat! Hell yeah brother

[@cmh2111]

So you basically brought a generator with you, namely a F150 Hybrid. Why not bring a Honda 30 amp generator with you instead. When all is said and done using the Honda to charge the F150 Lightning, would still be cheaper on fuel then running a ICE or Diesel F150 for the same trip.

[@MrFordguy73]

Actually, there have been a few owners say it's more efficient than a generator that runs constantly, this one only runs occasionally. And a generator that runs 7200 w is way less efficient, you're probably thinking of a 2500 Watt Honda generator, the only idles down it doesn't shut off. Several of the owners have used their PB for 4 days running their RV, they're very efficient.

[@cmh2111]

@@MrFordguy73 I think they mentioned that the F150 Hybrid had to run all night to get them to an 80% charge. The Honda's I was referring to are either the EU3200 or the EU3000iS, both capable of a 26 amp output, and costs $3k, sips fuel and weights 60 pounds. A better solution then a $80K F150 Hybrid.

[@MrFordguy73]

I'd have to see a comparison between the two. They said a ¼ tank , that's 7.65 gallons. I have guys in my group that run for 4 days their RV and only use about about the same because it cycles. I've ran mine for several hours just on the AC and it only idles for 32 seconds every 10-12 minutes. I'd bet it's still better on gas than a generator running all night. I'll have to test it myself I suppose.

[@MrFordguy73]

Actually, the 30 amp 3200w still isn't comparable to the PB with 30 amp 7200w. I'd say charging the EV your adding another 13 hours with the Honda generator vs the 7200 watt PB. As well as the Powerboost is most likely quieter, don't have to worry about theft, upkeep, extra gas tanks to refill. I bought my PB, it was about 3k more than a regular Ecoboost, but the trim level was higher, so about 1700 more than a regular F-150, then add the city mpg avg 27, I've gotten 29 several times, idle all night long with AC on. So, yeah, it's not just a generator added on. There's many other features that come with it that other trucks can't even dream of accomplishing.