We Emissions Test the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel You Can't Buy Because its Under EPA Investigation

[@skyisdlimit6125]

About time Trump put some stop to this EPA liberal bullcrap

[@iTrinityPlays]

Sky Trooper Global Warming... *Cough* Ah let me guess? You don't believe in it?

[@skyisdlimit6125]

I don't believe on almost anything the MSM says. I rely on the internet for "not so fake" news.

[@mountainhobo]

NOx is not a global warming issue. It contributes to cardiac problems (and it is potentially carcinogenic) so it is a health issue. Trump is not going to curb such testing, not a chance.

[@KrisTheCodeManDude]

Josh Urmomma Nah youve been duped. it's common sense we are destroying the earth.

[@philtripe]

ok josh...if you take into consideration where the planet is in its orbit right now...ie the distance from earth to the sun...we should be in the middle of an ice age...there i said that in the simplest terms that you may understand nut im not holding my breath

[@guyproulx1660]

Now everyone should understand why Toyota won't bring their bulletproof reliable diesels to the U.S

[@guyproulx1660]

BeanerMan3k What makes you think it has anything to do with reliability?, just because i said their bulletproof diesels doesn't mean my comment was about reliability, i said they won't bring them here because of the EPA BS, learn how to read

[@guyproulx1660]

BeanerMan3k I didn't think i needed to mention it hence why i wrote "everyone should understand" in my comment but i realize now that not everyone will understand lol

[@MaddJakd]

Someone skipped grade school english................. -_-

[@greglazer12]

My father has a Hino box truck in the US probably one of the more fun manuals to drive with the I-6 Diesel engine

[@TramaineleDay5655]

Luv you guys! The honesty and non bias reviews, with some humor!

[@TFLtruck]

+Tramaine Leday thanks for the kind words. We very much appreciate it!

[@nathankoroush7918]

so the trucks that roll coal down the freeway are good, but this new clean burning truck not good, OK I get it now

[@AlarakTheHighLord]

nathan koroush obviously you dont know anything about diesel its way cleaner than gas and the "rolling coal" is just unused diesel

[@nathankoroush7918]

greg h , let me guess, you live in a apartment, drive a full size diesel truck, but have never towed a trailer, get bent, climb back under your bridge.

[@AlarakTheHighLord]

nathan koroush i own a 2016 dodge dart and when i owned a diesel i used it for hauling and towing. i never rolled coal with it cause doing so puts strain on your injection pump and that shit is expensive to fix. so be for you start assuming shit get your facts straight or else you look like the dumb ass...

[@noreason2701]

Technically it's illegal to do that, but pretty much no cop ever pulls anyone over for it. 9/10 of those people who do that have removed cats/blocked egr/dpf delete, so they're violating federal law.

[@aPadilla14]

Generic Name yeah, as a 2017 super duty owner, I can confirm it does it when towing heavy. Other than that, your truck should never have thick black clouds coming out.

[@BuntMeister66]

Nitrogen Oxide, Nitrous Oxide, one bad one not so much. Gotta use the right term.

[@TFLtruck]

+cerisecons thanks for the heads up

[@BuntMeister66]

Still like the video, you guys are very helpful. Just don't want people thinking they can get a little high "snorting coal" ;-)

[@kylevanwinkle2081]

cerisecons nitrous oxide is laughing gas. nitrous dioxide is what people think nitrous oxide is

[@BuntMeister66]

Kyle Vanwinkle, I am aware of the difference, my note was regarding their use of Nitrous oxide(laughing gas) several times where Nitrogen Oxide(s) (NOx), there are 2 produced, should have been said.

[@kylevanwinkle2081]

I know and I was then further elaborating on the common misconception of n2o vs n2o2. N2o in an engine would hurt performance because nitrogen is inert and would smother the oxygen, but n2o2 has enough oxygen to overcome that factor safely.

[@jamesjackalone6614]

Its funny how just a few days after Ford announced its F-150 will have a 3.0L diesel the only competition gets hit by the EPA...

[@noreason2701]

Poor VW. They got so much shit just because they were the first to get caught. Good job EPA, you're ruining the diesel engine. The most reliable ICE available in cars/trucks. Now everyone's going to have to throw out stupid gas cars after 125k miles on average, instead of diesels lasting 500k+ and getting WAY better efficiency.

[@jeffreyfurtado3681]

except if you drive a Toyota Camry like me.

[@guyproulx1660]

Generic Name 500k is nothing, take a look at the gas powered Toyota Tundra on TFL with a million miles that didn't even need a single engine rebuild

[@papa13.lvraiders32]

guy proulx tundra is the best half ton truck hands down and yes I own a 05 Yukon with 5.3 a 06 1500 HD with the 6.0 97 f 150 with a 5.4 and just got rid of my 06 ram with the 5.7 but my tundra with 5.7 is king compaird to those I can't beat the the tundra @ all but to buy a half ton with a deasal engine doesn't make any sense especially @ the price they want u can buy a 2500 or a 3500 ram with the real 6.7 deasal engine Wich is my next unit.

[@noreason2701]

+guy proulx That's nowhere near the norm. Even for Toyota. I get it, you're going with the circlejerk that toyota engines are totally indestructible. But that's not normal. I'm talking about the average of all gas engines that are taken care of reasonably well. Diesels last way longer.

[@guyproulx1660]

Generic Name With all the EPA BS they have now diesels are nowhere near as reliable as they once were

[@1234567890ZETA]

Screw EPA. Let me ask you this, the Big Three Turbodiesels (Duramax, Cummins, Powerstroke) will be under investigation? Mind you there are truck owners there who love to roll coal out of these diesel engines.

[@Nippledozer]

Paulo Abesamis Those trucks are so big that they are EPA exempt.

[@twinx70]

Paulo Abesamis and they mod them to do that with tuners and exhaust modifications

[@1234567890ZETA]

Nippledozer I know because mine is a 3/4-ton RAM 2500, EPA exempt from MPG ratings BUT what I'm saying is why so much attention on emissions? TFL just tested the truck and it clearly has nothing coming out of it. Not trying to be political BUT I hope Trump administration will be friendlier to the automakers far as diesels are concerned.

[@roywynter9983]

It has to compete with the petrol engine which is already quite clean, and any new diesel engine that is now being built must follow strict emissions rules.

[@dragonbutt]

Is the manufacturer responsible when customers modify their vehicles to better roll coal?

[@deadfreightwest5956]

Way back when I had my '07 Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD, I took it in to have the emissions tested for the first tab renewal (Washington). They'd never seen one before. They used a "snap test" : rev the engine, then close throttle, hoping for a cloud of soot to bellow forth. They had to run it several times before they said, shaking their heads, that if I'd scored 49%, I could've passed. I got a 7. When I traded the Jeep in on my 2015 Ecodiesel with over 45K miles, the exhaust pipe was still soot-free. Try that with a Pious.

[@DBravo29er]

Really enjoyed seeing you guys talk in a low-key setting. Another great video with solid info!

[@CCandWally]

The guy working emissions for you is a story in itself. Wealth of knowledge.

[@Stuka87]

The issue isn't that is passes when tested, but not when driven. The issue is that when the engine gets too hot, the software will save the engine by disabling the emissions and richening up the mixture. The EPA DOES allow for turning off emissions to save the engine. Which is why FCA is saying there is no issue, because this is allowed.

[@chris7239]

I have never seen a Diesel Emission test before This Was enlightening!

[@Stylemaster911]

This and your sister channel TFLCar is an outstanding site! I can't believe you don't have more views!

[@mecheng1993]

Diesel engines are more efficient... Why are they being criticized so hard? The real question is, who stands to benefit from getting rid of diesels in the united states?

[@jesusisalive3227]

John The left! they don't want any vehicles that use fossil fuels. the diesels are easy to pick on because they see people rolling coal and all that black smoke gives them ammunition for their agenda.

[@skully720]

John they are more efficient but they're much more harmful to the environment... idgaf though because I'm from Texas, so fuck the EPA. Funny how I'm a Democrat but hate the EPA bullshit. By 2020 it'll cost $35,000 to buy a Ford Focus because of all the tech put into getting that crazy fuel economy

[@MegaElkHunter1]

Carlos Salinas diesels are actually much better for the environment. Reason being the black smoke that comes out of the exhaust is actually lots of unburnt carbon meaning when it settles on the ground (which it does because diesel smoke is a lot heavier than air. It only rises because it's hot when it comes out) it promotes plant growth and builds soil quality. The more you know

[@CliffWheeler]

I just purchased a 2016 ecodiesel less than a month ago... are they gonna recall it like the vw?

[@TFLtruck]

+Cliff Wheeler don't know. Currently the answer is no but that could change.

[@1guyin10]

It likely will get a re-flash to address the EPA concerns.

[@christopherwheeler5736]

Don't Eco Diesels have alot of engine issues?

[@christopherwheeler5736]

I had such high hopes for those engines :(

[@crazyhass84]

Cliff Wheeler dont worry its a paperwork trick by the epa before obama leaves office. vw got a warning in 2013! and ignored it!!! thats why the shit hit the fan in 2015 for vw. this is the 1st warning for fca...

[@leodalion333]

Hello. I am a big fan of TFL and TFL truck. I you guys brought a TDI to a dyno in a video and could actually see the computer recognizing that it was being tested (check engine lights flashed). Did you notice any electronic evidence of the ecodiesel trying to trick the computer similar to the TDI?

[@Ricky_R]

Great video guys! I enjoyed it very much. I like the informative stuff

[@lordnetsplits3192]

It's the current year and it is time to abolish the EPA!

[@MatthewMello]

You guys should have talked about the 8 AECD (Auxiliary Emissions Control Devices) that are under question and what they mean. Because this truck, from what I understand, will pass NOx testing.

[@pilotguy1141]

I love diesel trucks but the higher maintenance costs and fuel costs and with all the EPA regulations on diesel trucks makes them horrible. unless you're hauling and using your diesel truck everyday for work it doesn't pay to own one

[@Mekhanic1]

EXACTLY! Diesel were poplar 20 years ago because they made economic sense. Now it just about overall capacity to tow. You could get the optional Cummins diesel in 1994 for $1,500 and it would get 20mpg vs 14mpg for the v10 which was. $450 option. I'd rather have a V10. Cheap to own, maintain and very cheap to replace.

[@406Steven]

I'm tired of all the dbags with their bro dozers and every single time a new vehicle comes out people are whining about why there isn't a diesel option. So I pretty much have an irrational hatred of diesel engines just due to the community. But with all of the emissions stuff they're packing onto them these days they're not as reliable as they used to be, cost more, require more expensive maintenance, and don't run very well in colder climates. I love it when people use towing to justify buying a diesel and it turns out they pull an aluminum fishing boat to the lake twice a month 4 months out of the year.

[@djayt1215]

Aviator Guy you have to consider that while the scheduled maintenance costs more, the intervals are further apart. I can't speak for your area, but where I am diesel is only a few cents more than gas. really the only reason diesel ever costs more than gasoline is because of tax.

[@blacktie0426]

I love this truck! I'd love to see more about how it tows in normal conditions for us weekend warriors that will be towing campers (7 to 9,000 lbs) including the enormous wind resistance most of us will encounter at speed. Most highways are 65 to 70 mph, can it pull a 7,000 lbs camper at that speed, how does the wind resistance affect the mpg at 55 vs 70 mph? These are some of the questions I see on ecodiesel forums that people want answered. It's good to know that it will slog through an extreme grade when needed but how will it perform with max tow weight and payload at highway speeds while dealing with extreme wind resistance caused by campers?

[@shawnshorey9015]

here in Vermont its not requested or mandatory for emission testing

[@kevinwiltshire4445]

Video quality is great 👍 are you using a different camera?

[@notachannel7310]

My dealership won't sell the heavy duty Rams either. My lease is up and I needed to buy a 2500 ram with the cummins for my business and I was told there is a full stop sale on anything diesel. Why are they halting sale on the heavy duty line when the EPA is only going after the eco-diesel?

[@OffTheBeatenPath_]

This will change with Trump. He will neuter the EPA

[@OffTheBeatenPath_]

Jimmy John libtard triggered

[@packerfan685]

Jimmy John lol me either! Yeah fuck the EPA I want to die of lead poising from tap water.

[@OffTheBeatenPath_]

don't live beside a mine then dumbass

[@chancemalloy79]

That's terrifying.

[@CSXtrackworker]

If pushed, the Dealership can't void the warranty due to the fact that it is improving on engine performance and not shortening it's life by having the engine partially re-breathe in soot that is cooled down by overworked antifreeze to bring it's temp down to an ok level to be sucked back into the intake to be burned in the combustion process. What this does is cake the heads and valves with soot and shortens the life on the valve and head. The burn off process uses a certain cylinder or two where it squirts diesel into the cylinder to super heat the exhaust flame to help burn the particulate filter off. It kills pistons and piston rings and also shortens the life of the turbo. The urea being sprayed in only does so much to lessen polution's. Know five people who deleted it and had factory warranty repairs performed after pressing the issue.

[@billmalec]

could you guys do a video on how to set up a load distribution hitch on a truck with self- leveling air suspension? there seems to be little concensus on how to do it.

[@POHLHAMMER]

I get 25mpg average with my RAM ecodiesel crew cab vrs 15mpg average with my active fuel management GAS Sierra crew cab... You do the math .. More than 50% better fuel economy and FUEL SAVINGS.. Burn less fuel =better for environment and SAVE natural resources . REALITY : Oil companies lose cash when diesels exist (50% better fuel economy) , so oil lobbyists pay off Washington to pass bills that kill Diesels by making them impossible to pass new and unfair emission stds. These same lobbyists pay for , and produce anti-diesel propaganda , making them out to be dangerous , smelly , loud and harder to maintain... None true of modern diesels. FACT: Semi-trucks use diesel engines , so do farm tractors and heavy equipment... WHY ? MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO PRODUCE POWER is DIESEL ! NOT GAS ! Follow the money ,, find your answers....

[@saltymonke3682]

I think EPA is the actual big oil pocket. We spend more on thirsty gasoline than efficient diesel because of them.

[@stevehuber6499]

Nathan is all like: Dude WTF! Its too damn early! Go Away!! lol!!

[@THEPOINTLESWHY]

glad I bought one while I did! Its a great truck!

[@markryl-kuchar2373]

You should do the Ike gauntlet test anyway so that the engine can build some emissions up and then after the loaded mpg run have it emissions tested again to see if anything abnormal happens. On top of that if ram is allowed to sell the 2017 ecodiesel you know you want to know if it will be different from the 2016.

[@agskennedy]

You guys are in Gunbarrel, I used to live down the street from your office, my girlfriend worked in the same complex!

[@MrVicio94]

I live in Europe where the 50% of cars are diesel powered and here the government does not care about emissions at all. We still have laws from the '60s concerning the measurement of fuel consumption and our rules on diesel car pollution aren't as strict as the rules in USA, probably because car manufacturers have lot of interests about it. People from USA are lucky because here in Europe in some cities there's so much particulate in the air that the major has to forbid using cars for a day or two. Here almost nobody knows that diesel car are dangerous and they are very common due to the good fuel consumption as gas prices in some areas are more than two times higher than in USA. For example a gallon of diesel in USA is 2.20$ while in Europe it costs 5.5$ Here in Europe we have a better fuel consumption but..... we pay it with our health!!!!!!

[@indianasquatchunters]

Vincenzo More people need to read this comment before posting about how they would like to see the EPA gutted. I'm an environmentalist but a realistic one. I believe electric everything is the future be it BEV, PHEV, or plain hybrid. I also love fast cars, big trucks, V8's, and diesels. But electric is simply better. We all need to quit being politics into this type of argument. Right or left it doesn't matter. Whether you believe in climate change or not is up to you, but pollution is real and it can be seen there isn't denying that. NOx and particulates are very bad for your health.

[@Muddyspartan]

I don't understand people complaining about emissions testing, its for your health. It literally only benefits you that they test for these emissions. I don't want my family to get sick because some truck-bro wants to roll coal or because people think the EPA is the devil. Isn't it a good thing that they are doing their job? Protecting consumers from harmful pollutants?

[@MaddJakd]

..............You can't be serious......... They certainly aren't saints, nor always in the right with how they proceed with their nonsense. Other parts of the world are doing way better without as must nonsense as the EPA seems to be shoving down our throats, so yeah.

[@sergioferreira5771]

in NYC you smell gasoline in the air LoL

[@stackz2898]

Muddyspartan You're a fruitcake, you probably eat the leaves off your tree and recycle to drink ur piss water while you look at ur rainbow flag. Get the fuck outta here pansy.

[@sergioferreira5771]

Kevin i mean, what does that have to do with engines

[@Muddyspartan]

You show alot of bravery threatening people over the internet, very un-pansy like. I didn't mean to trigger you by making sense.

[@phil41055]

If you still have this or get another similar vehicle, and can bring it to KC, I have a Testo 350 that can test for NOx. I'd be happy to help out.

[@rreichar1]

There is no stop sale order for the 2016 Ram EcodDiesels so I believe you could test it as that. 2016's at dealers are being sold though there aren't many left. Interesting to see if the EPA stance on this changes under the new administration. I own a 2016 and could not be happier with it. I wonder how many vehicles would pass emissions under an EPA audit where they test in normal driving outside of test conditions? Not just diesels but also the many higher performance cars available today. They easily pass at the small throttle settings encountered in testing. Who knows when they're actually being run harder. My truck seems awfully clean with a complex and expensive emissions control system engineered to pass a specific test. It does. Now they are saying it must pass under any possible conditions. As far as I know only VW and FCA diesels have come under this sort of scrutiny. VW used a "defeat device" to detect the test and turn on emissions controls. FCA doesn't do that. Very different in my mind. Let's be fair and audit every vehicle and see how many pass driving in the real world.

[@Kolsch221]

I called my local Ram dealer 11.13.19 wanting a Eco Diesel they said come on down so I did on 11.15 and picked out a 19 Laramie on the test drive the salesman got a call saying that the truck couldn’t be sold, EPA re instated the stop sale. I just don’t understand how it got lifted then got put back on or was it even lifted? Anyway guess I see what happens. I live in Washington State BTW.

[@bighuch7998]

Nathan looked high. welcome to Colorado lol

[@SimplexSM]

Big Huch High on Diesel fumes!

[@1guyin10]

I think you should test it, including the Ike Gauntlet test (even though you will have to use a lighter trailer). I think people will be interested in how it performs, especially with Ford rolling out its small diesel in the F150 next year.

[@SuzukiKid400]

NOx (oxides of nitrogen) and N2O (nitrous oxide) are entirely different. You used the terms interchangeably throughout this video which is incorrect.

[@djtrentsteele216]

I would love to see a follow up on this after the EPA rules! Keep up the good work!!

[@TFLtruck]

+DJ Trent Steele will do

[@Brian-sn9lc]

Will this effect the wrangler diesel? I'm assuming it will have the same engine

[@JDsHouseofHobbies]

Does the Ram EcoDiesel use DEF or the other system? I drive a semi and we have some truck that use DEF and some that use a method of heating a filter that is supposed to burn off particulate matter.

[@jameshenry3530]

Ford is supposed to sell a F-150 light-duty diesel for 2018. I wonder if they will have the same problems with the EPA?

[@tomgoodman3476]

so if it's zeros across the board it means that it's either putting out zero pollutants or the equipment cannot detect levels low enough to show a result. so.. with that in mind what more does the epa want in order to certify yhe 2017?

[@thestigmach1984]

I wish you guys would've posted this 3 days ago, I'd buy it hands down don't even care about the epa they don't do testing in my state for anything. I just bought the hem version because I couldn't the ecodeisel supposedly until July or later. I need a truck now. oh well I love my new truck none the less just wish I could get a little better mpg even the new hemi is pretty thirsty.

[@bronzechicken4437]

Main problem is who it's made by.

[@pnw3608]

Here in Washington there are no emissions testing for diesels and in most counties no emissions testing for any vehicles

[@grahamrothphotography]

In Alberta Canada we don't have emissions testing, heard you don't even need a cat on the exhaust, as in if you cut it off to straight pipe it, you're fine!

[@MichaelSmith-kr9qw]

I honestly think the Eco Diesel is 100 % emissions compliant. From what I have read on this subject it is a fine line between who is right and who is wrong and the EPA like any government entity is going to say that they are right. And it is not like VW problem where they blatantly installed software that detected when being tested for emissions, whereas FCA installed software to help save the engine during the regen cycle. I honestly think the EPA and the CARB and other countries are trying to get rid of the diesel engine completely for light duty vehicles period. California is on the EV bandwagon and the head of CARB has blatantly said she wants light duty diesels gone from the state. I am curious does Colorado have any shops with a emissions test machine that reads NOx and or CO2 and HydroCarbons I know we used to have one in the shop I used to work at in California we used it to test our work after doing tune ups and getting cars ready to pass the Emission Tests.

[@kevin9c1]

So was NOx measured or just particulate?

[@Luscious3174]

Does it have CARB EO? I'm thinking that would trump EPA requirements.

[@normanbanks8902]

So why no Ike Gauntlet test?? I thought the payload and towing were BETTER that the Hemi??? What did u miss?

[@voltage232]

So you have to get your diesel checked every year after it's 4 years old? Who checks this if you are non compliant? What is the cost if you dont get the inspection done. I dont own a diesel so I am not educated on the laws. Thanks

[@bubbanc01]

there is plenty to do with it like burn outs, donuts, hard core offroading, ect. It may not give you any new info but it would be fun.

[@rickysafer2895]

Why cant the ECO Diesel tow what the other half ton trucks are towing up the Ike Gauntlet ,I have seen it tow on other episodes, Thanks.

[@danhellerjr]

Reading some comments I see so much worry about "rolling coal"... People know that "rolling coal" is just wasting fuel, right? Guys who never tow anything tuning their trucks to blow fuel out the tailpipe do so just for the "look at me" thing. No different than idiots who weld coffee cans to their tailpipes or glue wings to their trunk lids.

[@jesusisalive3227]

Daniel Heller Yes it is different because some wait until they pull up to a car with their Windows down and roll coal right into their Windows. it's horrible!

[@RBLK89]

Nathan was so lit at the end

[@Robearwgl]

must be why I cant find this truck on the Ram Truck website?

[@browns294]

I kind of wonder what the result would be if, during the dyno pull, someone sat behind the wheel and did some steering inputs. As I understand it, that is how the VW engineers fooled the EPA, i.e. no steering inputs=test conditions-change parameters-pass test.

[@camaro_kyle6851]

can you review a 2017 silverado with the hood scoop next?

[@jaureguixp]

hmm so Volkswagen and Fiat (Ram) get a recall for their Diesel engine but not GM with his Diesel Cruze??? So weird...

[@jaureguixp]

even the duramax colorado also owned by GM hmm..

[@rolandcostainjr]

doesn't mean they shouldn't be investigated although the investigations in the first place are kinda wishy washy.... as far as i'm concerned somebody(s) are jealous they can't make an effiecient and powerful engine.

[@Desertfox92308]

At least the smog guy was honest about customers who chip their rigs. Take them out for the test and then back in after! As long as it passes...$80 for a test? What a rip off. My friend just did his rig in Arizona for $17.00!

[@OpenAirAdventure]

Hey fellows , just wondering when testing on the ike gauntlet will resume? There are some new Riggs on the market that should keep you busy. Especially in the diesel market with duramax and the 6.2 gas f 250 with 10 speed transmission. Videos like those put you guys on the map with us viewer's and we're not seeing to many lately.

[@TFLtruck]

+Shackles we started running truck up Ike this week. Check out today's Big Green video.

[@OpenAirAdventure]

The Fast Lane Truck I watched big green and it was entertaining thank you. I'm more interested in the 2017 f250 gas compared with Mr trucks f250 to see if ford has improved. With the price increase and different transmission and 300 lb weight loss ford claims it's the best super duty to date. It's up to you guys to prove it.

[@MikeUtoober]

I hope Chrysler gives you no vehicles to review anymore after this. you are taking advantage of a press car or rather truck in this case to make them look bad. also diesels are better for the environment than gassers because they get so much better fuel mileage. so we are allowed to burn more fuel but we cant have slightly dirtier emissions

[@MikeUtoober]

Walter what about the pollution made refining fuel? the pollution made producing the def fluid if there is any? the pollution then made from the vehicles exhaust with all the emission stuff on it making you burn 1/3 more fuel? so in the end of the line it appears better but as a whole it makes it worse

[@MikeUtoober]

Walter diesel takes less to refine than gas by far. and if you make me burn 1/3 more fuel means you need to refine 1/3 more fuel for me to burn. you have to refine that oil and mine it out of the ground. and you have to transport it too. what about those people that drive around a chevy suburban getting 10 mpg for one person when they could drive a compact car getting over 40 mpg either way you have voided your whole argument by starting out with name calling. if you would have kept your argument civil you might have had a chance

[@MikeUtoober]

Walter once again back to the insults voiding your argument even more. i am not trolling and im not stupid either. its called looking at the bigger picture of the whole process instead of a tiny piece of it

[@MikeUtoober]

Walter i will troll if you want though. where are you so i can come and roll coal all over you?

[@406Steven]

They clearly show the truck passing the test in the video with flying colors, zeros across the board. I don't think this is bad press but rather showing how the EPA is freaking out due to the VW scandal and is now putting every diesel under the microscope. If there genuinely is "cheat device" software in the computer then they broke the law and deserve bad press but if they can test this truck on the road with sensors reading emissions while it isn't in cheat mode and they pass that's going to really strengthen Dodge's position. "Hey, we did this without breaking the laws and passed with flying colors, look at how awesome our trucks are!"

[@RankinPerformMachine]

Is it true that when the truck is strapped on the rollers, front wheels stationary, that it triggers the truck to go into a "test mode," that is cleaner burning. I wasn't able to watch the entire vid, admittedly, but I thought that the ecu would watch for such parameters and outside the epa tests like stationary front wheels, constant throttle for x-amount of minutes, etc, and then sinking into the "dirty tune", which wouldn't show on this test. Any insight? Thanks!

[@RankinPerformMachine]

Read further in the comments and some others are on the same thought process as me, that without all the wheels turning, the "cheat" wouldn't likely show up.

[@vengencereicher6576]

guys I wany my TFL headquarter tour...ASAP!!!

[@creigmacc]

I test drove the Ram ED and the XD diesel, have to say I liked the ED better, it reminded me of a soft 1/2 ton in regards to its payload however. If Ram can't get this EPA thing settled Ford is going to reap the reward in a year. If Ford is thinking ahead they will program the diesel for the best MPGs and lowest emissions they can. The guys who want to tow heavy will buy the 3.5 and 5.0 anyway.

[@Sn0Pro7]

damn colorado is actually pretty tough when it comes to diesels

[@tmanthekid4396]

You should come and see California

[@Sn0Pro7]

Tmanthekid I've heard. Come to New Hampshire.

[@brettbillups8339]

California is county by county. I live in a county where you don't have to test unless you are buying or selling. It's not statewide.

[@dhomevideos]

move to Texas and your good 👍

[@brianost2703]

The US agreed to be the only country in the world to run Tier 5 diesel emissions equipment as part of the Paris Climate Agreement. The technology isn't fully ready for Tier 5 levels of Oxides of Nitrogen, so, yes this Ram and even the Volkswagens are almost putting out pure water, they still, in some instances have higher oxides of nitrogen than tier 5 allows. The other problem is all the exhaust equipment is ridiculously expensive to fix, but people in Washington don't care. In the trucking industry, a lot of small businesses are ordering "Glider" kits, so they can use the older, proven diesels that are cheaper to keep running. Our government is making promises, the working class people can't keep.

[@brianost2703]

Wait until you have to get your Air conditioning recharged with R-1234yf. R-1234yf is explosive, because of the propane and reactive(turns to hydroflouric acid in the presence of moisture) because of the flourine. The AC machines cost around $7000.00 for a shop to buy. But, it's good for the environment?! Like MTBE was good for the environment in the gas(lots of mechanics got cancer from that stuff).

[@MattSchmader]

Please do the towing mpg loop!

[@mohammedkhan11]

what about ford f-150 diesel coming in 2018 will it pass diesel emissions

[@MegaElkHunter1]

diesels are actually much better for the environment. Reason being the black smoke that comes out of the exhaust is actually lots of unburnt carbon meaning when it settles on the ground (which it does because diesel smoke is a lot heavier than air. It only rises because it's hot when it comes out) it promotes plant growth and builds soil quality. The more you know

[@ZachLive]

So glad Florida has no inspection

[@rocketj7449]

strikes me as odd that the eco-diesel can't tow as much as the other half tons. You didn't explain that....

[@mohammedkhan11]

55 ford escape caught fire in south Africa

[@emekaossai5485]

This was a cool video guys, thanks for the info! Nathan you need to cheer up a bit bro ;)

[@brotherheed00]

Man I really need one of them nitrous oxide making rigs. Just need to figure out how to capture all that nos to resell. You guys are auto motive journalist should know what your saying man.

[@Mekhanic1]

I know right! Hey watch our channel for (bad) info LOL

[@williamhugelmeyer2702]

Is the tow rating that much lower than the other 1500 trucks and why would it be lower?

[@fastedz09]

William Hugelmeyer it would be the difference between the weight of the engines I would assume

[@williamhugelmeyer2702]

That's assuming the v6 diesel is heavier than a hemi. I would bet the weight difference is less than 100lbs give or take as the hemi still is a grey iron block.

[@UltraSS-nj8kd]

mpg for sure if not more test theres still the 2014-16 and i doubt theyll drop the diesel even if. but the whole epa deal is a joke its like they pick on random vehicles that get good mpg ratings.

[@johnlavezzorio8011]

The EPA complaint is solved. There is no comparison with gasoline. Gas trucks will disappear!

[@Don-ul6rx]

That is not what was going on! VW had hidden hardware Ram did not had any hidden hardware, Ram just did not report all of the items it was turning off during certain times. Huge difference between what VW was doing.

[@corycoulter5140]

Is this the same for Canada.

[@MrAngel2U]

you werent able to get a hold of an ecodiesel before it was not available? thats odd.

[@GearheadGarden]

You have heard of VW right? So there's no mystery here and you said it right in the beginning of the video. That your truck passed is irrelevant if there's hyjinx going on when it's being tested. Just like VW, during testing it's possible that connection of the testing station's equipment to the OBD2 connector could trigger a software change to let the vehicle pass. The answer about not testing for NOx is BS. There's plenty of CO. vehicles that fail emissions precisely because they can't get through the NOx test with all else at passing levels. If they can do it on a gas vehicle they can do it on a diesel. BTW it's "Nitrides of Oxygen" not laughing gas. totally different.

[@YamahaR12015]

so how long has this been going on and what did the automakers do to piss off the EPA that's causing them to just catch this stuff? Did VW just put the EPA under the scope?

[@skywalker2852]

Doesn't 40% opacity mean that 60% of light passes through? (especially since your test results showed 0% opacity)

[@zachvaniwaarden4822]

This is why I love me 2000 Ford F-350 7.3 the rolls coal like a SOB

[@bkay5047]

You need to do a rolling emissions test with all 4 wheels moving.

[@volvo09]

b kay yeah that emissions inspector was not correct when he said they test at different speeds to eliminate any cheat software variables... that truck knows 2 wheels are not moving, the exact way vw did it. now this is the first time I've heard of this story so I don't know if this truck really does have cheat software, but if it did that's the exact scenario that would activate it.

[@blugods2655]

volvo09 damn so no burnouts with full power.

[@cloc5476]

volvo09 When did he say that? All I saw was a brief explanation of how the test is initiated. Pretty sure that dude knows his job, as inspectors are certified, and licensed by the state.

[@belanger9]

It's not that the inspectors don't know their job, it's that the test is flawed. It's the same test everywhere, hence why software can pick it up. Everyone who has seen, or talked to someone who has seen the test knows what's going to happen, so the computer can pick up that a test happens, then detune the engine to be able to pass the test.

[@Lawdagreat]

So the exhaust air is cleaner then the air going into the intake? hmmm....

[@arthurhall9602]

I think you should have still done the towing testing.

[@1guyin10]

The FCA issue appears to be largely a difference of opinion in the interpretation of the standard as well as possibly some incomplete disclosure by FCA regarding exactly how its system works. A large portion of the EPAs issue with FCA boils down to arguments over what qualifies as necessary to protect the engine from damage in certain operating conditions, as well as how far outside the parameters of the EPAs test standards the system must maintain emissions levels. Is it legitimate for the EPA to demand that emissions work the same at -10 deg F as it does at 70 degrees F? The EPA thinks so. FCA does not. It is much more an issue of splitting hairs than the outright fraud committed by VW. FCA believes that they met the requirment of the standard and has worked hard to try to come to some sort of agreement with the EPA. The folks at EPA and CARB, who are very antagonistic toward industry to begin with, decided they needed to slay one more dragon before the Obama administration left office. It will be interesting to see how fast this gets worked out under the new administration.

[@rockycadieux4642]

Michigan, no regulations. Let's keep it that way.

[@leadnsteel1428]

I just bought a Chevrolet Colorado 2.8 duramax diesel. Gm is still selling them hope they will not be affected. F you epa for being so harsh on diesels.

[@buzzfeedright4154]

They sell them in Canada

[@RhinoXpress]

im not against the epa since they are there as a protective measure to our environment, but over the past two decades they have overstepped their boundaries esp when it comes to vehicles having to meet more and more mpg standards.

[@markgutekunstdc2516]

I for one wish all states did an emissions test on diesels. "Rolling Coal", IMHO, is disrespectful to people around you and the environment. If you ever really look at diesel particulates, the are large and can be observed with the eye. Just look at when someone "rolls coal". That cloud lingers in the air for quite awhile and settles to the ground. THe particulates are very heavy/dense. Now, when someone "rolls coal" the other drivers happen to pass through that cloud or a pedestrian is nearby because the idiot is trying to prove some childish point, those particulates are inhaled and will settle into the lungs. As a physician and someone with common sense, that is worse that a smokers cloud (secondary smoke) being inhaled. Now, I am certainly not condoning smoking, it is a disgusting damaging habit, but the particulates as well as all the chemicals in diesel exhaust is extremely damaging and is extremely difficult for the body to rid once inhaled inside the lungs. So, I think the EPA should have all diesels tested and visually inspected. As for those that chip their vehicles, a professional automotive diagnostic scan tool can find if a chip has been used. How do I know, I spoke with the area rep for FORD several years ago at my local FORD stealership when I had an 2006 F350 6.0 and was having the infamous EGR problems. He said that even if you remove the tuner a code will be left in the computer that can be found with their scan tool. It is not a code that will trip the engine light but id left in the history. Anyway, all that being said, stop the "rolling coal". It is childish and certainly not cool. It is also inefficient proof of making power. It is excess unburned fuel or the truck running to rich.

[@sickjohnson]

I get the feeling you are going to get some hate for this beloved truck. Kinda surprised you didn't call this one Diesel Gate Roman...what is up with that?

[@UltimaRSfan]

i didn't know about the ram too. only knew about vw. wow, is like a repeat all over again. i wonder when it will be ford's or gm's turn next.