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[@joymartinez4552]

im scared to play mythic plus as a healer because people can be so mean and rude...

[@Demspookz]

Yeah I always feel like it usually isn’t the healers fault especially in the early keys. No one interrupts and healers are supposed to essentially fix their mistakes then they get mad when we wipe? Yeah I ain’t listening to any of that.

[@ShadyStranger]

Meh, can't even blame you. You need a thick skin. I know how bothersome that ONE guy barking at you after 5 relatively smooth runs can bring your whole mood down. But genuinely, once it happens, instantly ignore the person. Try and focus on what you are doing/might work on improving for next time and persevere. That is all you can do. You WILL have some of those smooth af runs with great people that make your day every now and then and it'll be worth it ;)

[@XXx-wy9kj]

Last coach I mailed a ret pally. Got over 2.7k rating and burned myself out before even hitting 3k. The mythical we have now are brutal from what I seen. Shit batol for example. I don’t blame you for being hesitant. This seasons mythical are a lot harder than last season and people in the low keys have always been kinda toxic. But hell even I’m hesitant to really try this season.

[@monsteratemehcookie]

I'm done with mythic+. No interrupt, let trash pwn your healer, and healer have to interrupt, DPS and heal. If wipe, it's healer not doing enough DPS, not doing enough interrupt, not heal enough. I don't mind doing all three, but you just can't blame all the shit on me. Also dispel is NOT an on-demand spell, it has CD!

[@joymartinez4552]

@@monsteratemehcookie RIGHT!! I remember once I was healing so much my team was just taking LOADS of damage constantly (they were undergeared and pulling too much trash) and then the dps complained how I wasn't doing enough damage.... Like how can I do damage and heal when you guys are constantly taking tons of damage???

[@GGG-zr7sw]

As a late 40s player, I always come back each expansion to relive a little of that nostalgic feeling of my mid 20s. Back then I could play 10+ hours a day, raid 40+ bwl etc, then BC and WOTLK with friends. Starting with CATA, the guild died and WOW became a solo experience for me. At this stage of my life, I am a filthy casual who enjoys the game at a much calmer pace, but that was not a priority for the devs back then, so I would find myself staring at the login screen more times than not, contemplating the benefits of solo playing. Each expansion from CATA on, I would play for a few months and quit. Once they introduced LFR and dungeon queues, it was a breath of fresh air for me. I could get my fix and not need to devote so much time in order to participate, but then the pug raids and mithics started to become a thing in the solo arena if you wanted better gear, and those experiences ruined me to even want to try. It wasn't even me the majority of those times, but I started to notice some or even multiple a-holes with chips on their shoulders throwing tantrums and berating someone in the group. That negativity ruined the experience many expansions ago for me. For that reason, I've completely removed myself from normal raids and mithic dungeons. So I'm very content with the level of solo experiences that the devs have introduced with TWW. Chances are I'll probably never see a normal or heroic raid and mithic dungeon, but that's OK. I can experience a fraction of the old ways through LFR and heroic / solo dungeons , not to mention delvs, but more importantly, I can now do it without having to bother anyone, which is a damn shame.

[@TheRonin69xd]

I've never done a single Mythic+ never liked this type of content it's insanely difficult and frustrating, id' rather do delves and get 616 ilvl items while chilling

[@John-df3lm]

If they removed the timers and brought back CC I would be willing to give them another chance.

[@Aurora_262]

I really hate Mythic+. Tanks that do them think every single run now is a mythic+ on a timer. No regard for healers or the fact the tank can never keep agro on all the mobs they pull and run off to the next room, then dps gets offed. Once the "uber bad a$$" tank is dead of course it's everyone else's fault, not their's.

[@GURKS35]

Im all for penalties for leaving m+ at this point. This has hands down been the worst season ive experienced for people leaving.

[@TheComebackKids]

Agreed

[@davidellett5065]

Best penalty? You lose points on your rating. Done. People need to learn.

[@immodsr9348]

@@davidellett5065 ..an even better one: put an extra stat beside rating: Number of dungeon not complete :)

[@nickv3085]

@@davidellett5065lmao that’s literally insane.

[@Rblx013]

Are you going to pay for my repairs? #next !

[@jmarshall3150]

M+ is full of sweaty toxic players and one reason I am super happy with delves. Screw M+

[@TheComebackKids]

That’s fair

[@SweaggerRexxar]

To be fair... low Keys are kinda fine but if I play a high key and someone is not sweating... I would call THAT toxic. xD

[@aiglemimi]

Players are not toxic... They're tired that after 20 years of Wow, people still don't do the proper job at reading their spells and talents, wich leads to 1-6 keys being HELL with dps's at 100k dps, healers that can't heal, and tanks that die instant because they don't use defensives. It's boring. Just because people are lazy.

[@termintot4645]

@@aiglemimi So you are one of those that ask from a new player 20 years of experience huh...

[@sarahhenderson8012]

As someone who has come back from hiatus. I can see both sides. My biggest issue is not feeling confident to pug but also not having people to really play with a lot of the time.

[@christographerx64]

timed dungeons was the worst thing in WoW. It just breeds toxicity as everyone wants to race to beat the timer. Not taking away from people who absolutely love them. Im just glad they introduced delves as an option. Ill never touch M+ again

[@jasonmorgan27]

Good. You probably never read a guide in your life either.

[@John-df3lm]

Absolutely agree. Challenging mechanics are fine, the ‘go fastbrrrrr’ toxicity is not.

[@yungskolking1470]

@@jasonmorgan27 You're probably the prototypical toxic M+ sweater.

[@actionfiguregaming3943]

Loving it - games a win!

[@christographerx64]

@@jasonmorgan27 thats such an ignorant comment. What does reading a guide have to do with the toxicity of a game system? You make no sense.

[@wvguy7238]

Blacksmith patron orders cost ALOT more than 10 to 15k gold. More like 40 to 69k gold, requiring the blacksmith to provide 8 to 19 sanctified alloy at 6k each.

[@Ermak]

I'm thinking of just dropping blacksmithing at this point. The investment is just too much

[@Christopher-z4w5v]

Most M+ is so toxic it zaps all the fun out of the game. I'm going to stick to solo for now.

[@Armageddoniton]

Mythic+ has its place, it can be horrible to break into if your new to it or still learning mechanics, even in my guild they rarely include players learning or with lesser ability. I miss the early days of wow before min maxing took steroids, I spent hours in black rock depths with my guild, it was a blast. Now its all about optimal routes, timing the keys, I spend way more time in prep than I do in dungeons, at least while learning them. That said competitive anything will bring the toxic out in people.

[@KingSwaeLi]

I'm one of those people that has nobody, playing WoW, so I will admit trying to do anything M+ or anything else has been a nightmare.

[@TheComebackKids]

Ouch

[@joebenzz]

Remember when dungeons were just dungeons? You just cruised with other people and killed stuff. Now they literally are mini raids.

[@hobosnake1]

@joebenzz if you want to cruise through dungeons m0 and heroic exist? I don't understand. You want the game to have nothing to it? You want everything handed to you? I'm sorry, but that would make more people quit than not having easy dungeons. But they do have easy dungeons if that's what you want. I don't see the fun in it, but it's there.

[@joebenzz]

@@hobosnake1 "Easy" dungeons have always been there since vanilla. I'm talking about the simplicity of the dungeons without dumbing it down. Having actual strat in normal dungeon bosses for example os when stepping on one single aoe is completely nonsensical all because of mythic plus plus plus plus crap. But each his own i guess.

[@ivanmarquez2218]

@@joebenzz That design will never return in retail, class design is simply superior all across the board the difficulty of encounters/overall dungeons NEED to keep up. The best thing you can get is a simple class (BeastMaster 2 button rotation) and do normal/hero dungeons since you don't have to worry about a lot of things. Except something like dawnbreaker that literally has a raid boss.

[@jiipo3]

​@@joebenzzI mean having easy dungeons with mechanics is an oxymoron. If it has mechanics you need a reason to do it, if it doesn't hurt when you fuck up, you would simply ignore it? Making it real easy again.

[@hobosnake1]

@joebenzz well then what is the problem? If the easy dungeons exist and the hard dungeons exist, then what is even your problem then? Seems like you should be happy. Are you mad that you can't get the best gear for doing nothing?

[@buckbardyt]

I started watching during SoD, I really love the detail in the videos. Thanks man

[@TheComebackKids]

Thanks for watching

[@Omglolwut]

Mythic+ has always been toxic. If we didn’t have delves in this expansion, I wouldn’t be playing.

[@hobosnake1]

M+ is great fun. I suggest joining a guild. Even if its some random one that invites everyone. There will be chill people to do keys with. And its not like you have to have a close relationship with everybody. But who knows? You might meet some cool people.

[@Hxpnoticghost]

@@hobosnake1mythic+ is overtuned and not worth it for the rewards

[@hobosnake1]

@@Hxpnoticghost mythic raiding ilvl gear isn't good enough for ya?

[@John-df3lm]

Absolutely, m+ dungeons need to go back away. I’m good with mythic raid sticking around. Even a new Heroic++ would be fine, keep the challenge or mechanics and drop the timing/attunement crap.

[@hobosnake1]

@John-df3lm attunement? What? Those haven't been a thing in ages. You realize a majority of the players of this game primarily do mythic plus? The game would die without it. Maybe you should just go play classic WoW? It sounds like you can't even do a +3 or something the way you talk about it. I'm not trying to be mean, but you're asking the entire game changes because you think it's too hard personally.

[@jakewilson2450]

As a Fury warrior main these nerfs really bother me because we rely on the big aoe burst for M+ and alot of raid fights especially as we move into mythic progression. They based these nerfs off of data collected from heroic dungeons and M0 dungeons . In higher difficulty content we lose alot of the benefit from our burst because adds stay up longer than our burst window. As fights drag on our dps drops and all other classes ramp up. The single target for fury is basically useless we just run arms for that which still isent spectacular and feels very clunky. It gonna become difficult to push high keys and be much of an impact in raid.

[@DavidLee-bw5dm]

Oh no you have a burst ape spec that makes you the top DPS on add fight and one of the top ST specs too!!! Oh no! Slightly leveled out boohoo...

[@crossfitnerd1085]

Beat Zekvir yesterday…finally. In a group it was a pain in the ass. So, I did it solo. Much easier.

[@Maulyhatchet]

what class and gear level? I'm beast hunter, and playing hell with it.

[@crossfitnerd1085]

@@Maulyhatchet fury warrior

[@crossfitnerd1085]

@@Maulyhatchet 606 ilevel

[@grandmothergoose]

The toxic players in lower level keys isn't a new thing, it's just moved to a new place. Back in Wrath days it was heroic dungeons. During Cata it was heroic dungeons and LFR. It comes about because there are some people that suffer the Dunning Kruger effect in regards to their ability to play the game. They think they're great players because they can do the harder content that the very casual player can't be bothered even getting into, but they're not good enough to do the really hard end-game stuff, but they want to be, and they think they can if only all the noobs would stop holding them back... never realising that the thing holding them back is themselves. They can't admit they're not as good as they think they are, so they blame everyone else. I'm not the slightest bit surprised that it has appeared in the lower mythic levels. These people will never get to the high end mythics, not only because they aren't as good at playing as they think they are, but also because at the top end there's no room for blaming and shaming, it's no place for being arrogant and hot-headed. Everyone has to cooperate, be nice, be patient, and if you're not, you'll never get to the top because the top players won't put up with that 💩

[@ScottySmith1957]

It’s dunning Kruger ramped to the 10th degree for sure. You can guarantee that the most toxic person in your pugs is the guy not pressing a single cc, defensive, or kicking the priority mob in a pack literally every time.

[@XXx-wy9kj]

I agree lol last season I was in a couple groups where 4 out of 5 people were talking about kicking that one guy because he was throwing a tantrum about a single mistake. One of which one caused by fricken lag of all things.

[@LegendKev9719]

Im a solo Warlock 614 ilvl 2100 rio and no its not getting better on higher keys even if you know mechs ppl die to simple things, ppl quitting, group search takes more than ours cause everyone only accept certein classes and stuff, level your own key is even worse since ppl deplete your key so as a player who plays his first expansion this might be my last cause its totally unfun and i dont accept the argument you have to play tank or certein classes etc thats just bullshit arguments. Peace out, love to see ppl hate me cause these are facts and most babys are playing with their guild and dont know the situation

[@piratfish8016]

Got my keystone hero yesterday, im a warlock too, i was just picking up people with good logs and some completed keys, you can even time +10 with 5-7 deaths with good dps. I think its way better if you have someone to play with but in my case i did all solo pug

[@Olisavage]

Same fam. Same. Tip is add players to friends who you enjoy playing with. Build that network.

[@hobosnake1]

Yeah this isnt my experience at all. I just vet people and talk to them before they get an invite. It is really simple if you're able to tactfully handle very light social interaction, lol. Sorry your experience was bad though.

[@LegendKev9719]

@@hobosnake1 Yeah good to hear some ppl dont have bad experience, i dunno what Blizzard could make better or sites like raider to not focus on score and ilvl since these thinks dont matter, i would more love too see avg dmg from players in dungeons, kicks that stuff, how often do they die these information could make it much easier to decide and help maybe to get invites otherwise these informations can maybe be faked so its a hard situation but the best and first solution would be more than 5 request for god damn sake, better filter for groups, more information for each player so ppl can better decide, etc etc many solution that can be made but many other ppl think the system is fine so for me these ppl are just delusional its like saying the earth is flat.

[@skurtslol]

my voker is 1600 at 600 ilvl and it’s my first season of m+ wym

[@ijustcant475]

Mythic+ definitely toxic, but more so than the start of any other expansion? Mythic+ has been toxic since before BFA. There is a larger and more complex issue at hand, and in my opinion, its because the mechanics are getting so complicated that people grinding up their key are losing it because someone else is unable to perform a required mechanic.

[@John-df3lm]

Drop the timers and lose the key/attunment crap and mythics could be fun. No one minds a wipe due to a challenge but when it’s a wipe with consequences you start looking to place blame.

[@dylanreidel5520]

The M+ drama and my retail mate being on vacation has made me completely not play any retail besides delves which is sad cause I really enjoy it right now, I'll be back in october when I have atleast a duo to run with.. not having mates sucks man

[@TheComebackKids]

Ouchhh

[@timbert4672]

I haven't done any mythics at all this expansion. Having solo delves, weekly world quests plus the crafting orders seems to eliminate the necessity which is a welcome addition for me since all my friends left the game. Get a nice crafting ordered weapon with a spark like 612 plus then do that solo stuff, you'll start getting really nice gear really quickly. As for that new race, I'm hoping there's a great story added with them at some point because they look like they could be a missing evolutionary link between Trolls and Elves. It's been long speculated that Night Elves Evolved from Trolls some time prior to the great sundering, a long drawn out story which explains this in depth with lots of cut scenes would be a true epic.

[@bradleyproud6096]

The war with in has been great. That being said I stopped doing mythic+. It has just been to toxic. I play as a healer and get blamed for people's mistakes. I'm playing for fun now and enjoying raiding and delves. Delves are a win I like that I can grab a few friends and push harder delves just wish chest keys were a little more abundant.

[@TheReaI0ne]

I was so looking forward to Halloween themed transmogs. Very disappointed with this month's selections

[@TheComebackKids]

Same

[@RickheadWashington]

Reducing AOE for warrior is stupid. That's what they do. It's not like their single target is amazing.... No utility... Let them have high damage.

[@SolaireOAstora]

Can we get some allied races that arent just reskins of current races? Earthen are cool and all but when am i going to get some sethrak or turtle races like cmon

[@TheComebackKids]

Sethrak is awesome

[@G82Jesse]

Character model rigging is a serious undertaking lol. A wholly new race model would require a TON of developer time to retroactively make hundreds of pieces of gear fit. That's a big developer commitment for something that probably

[@lucaschebance3135]

Yeah ! When will we could play murloc ?

[@joethestrat]

2 headed ogres 4 Horde and you can xmog 2 diff helmets

[@SolaireOAstora]

@G82Jesse it's not like they're poor wows at one of its all time highs in terms of player base rn

[@DonaldPierce]

I will not run mythic+ because of this issue. It is not fun. I think the reason people are leaving is more about the toxic response for an error. So they leave instead of herar the comments.

[@thcspectre3756]

concidering Zekvir needs a tier 10 delve completed (rec 623 ilvl) i would assume his t2 difficulty would require a similar ilvl. trying to do it at 603 is gunna be a tall order. i dont think many people are even 618 ilvl

[@TheComebackKids]

That’s fair

[@kieran1754]

You’d be surprised. 618 is not very hard to achieve rn. Past 619 is where it starts getting tough

[@jggard1372]

i just done (28/09) as 604 MM hunter on ?? difficulty. Was fun

[@John-df3lm]

@@kieran1754I’m sure there is a decent number out there that are pushing 620ish but most people are like, ‘cool, 600ilv, time to get my alt to 600 now too!’

[@Jim_Fries]

With an exception of the PVP items for engineering, I’ve been able to create every single work order that’s been submitted

[@dorian_greyy6981]

It’s easier to run high keys because the players are actually better and nicer. Totally agree

[@hobosnake1]

Yup. As a pug only player, i generally just expect to brick keys like mad when it comes to randoms in my keys early on. Once I luck out a few times and get my rating up, it feels very nice. The keys get smoother and smoother. Theres definitely a hump, and that will be worse for entirely new players. I cant imagine trying to experience the m+ loop as a new player. I'd be super discouraged and quit honestly. Even though its worth sticking it out. WoW needs to onboard new players waaaay better.

[@Muppet17]

Fortified + Tyran together is a massive issue they need to address. They need to make one weaker when both are active, basically impossible to pug tens. Especially having made 10s the standard for Mythic Vault slots compared to 18s being the standard.

[@TheComebackKids]

It’s tough

[@JUKENDUKE]

Pugging lower keys is completely RNG if you get a group that can interrupt or synergize in any way possible. Trying to crawl out of the 6-7 key range is a nightmare if you only pug.

[@CardDontShoot]

Been putting a lot of time into professions and the KP farm this time around. Happy to see patron orders are getting a tweak.

[@tenaciousg4340]

Biggest M+ fix would be bring the gilded crests and myth 1 tier vault loot to +7 (just like previous seasons). Don’t change how hard M+ is, but let us PUG weekly 7s which are (so much easier than 9s)

[@Nerd_Adam]

I have had very much the same experience tbh. Managed to get myself upto 2144 rating as a ret paladin but it’s been hell. Can literally spend 2 hours being declined from keys to then finally get an invite to a group where people rage quit after 1 mistake etc. super frustrating when I’m chasing keystone hero atm.

[@Aurora_262]

I saved all of my coins for Halloween trading post. I'm so ddisappointed. I'd love the smelly hippy trolfs as playable.

[@sardonicspartan9343]

Delves were marketed as solo...how is that working out for Zekky?

[@kevinj24535]

Very easy on the First Rank.

[@TheComebackKids]

He can be done solo

[@Drogo713]

So I would say your right on the M+ stuff, its a big issue due too most players being on the lower end of M+. Although 2k is ksm that just +7 keys on all dungeons(give or take a few points)and thats not all that hard to get. People in low M+ don't communicate and or expect other players to do things they see friends/guildies do. Also kicks, aoe stops, messing up mechs is all common but players are impatient and give up easily.

[@TheComebackKids]

Well

[@RoyalBurger_]

Thank god the m+ toxic problem gets better higher up. I was about to quit thinking it would get worse the more you progress.

[@daisyou812]

Ive noticed a reduction in orders that offer Artisan Acuity!? Just want to add that I have wanted this solo play and never knew it could be this amazing and cant wait to see where it goes….being able to gear alts without having to coordinate other’s schedules lol i can spend hours doing Delves if I want….LOVE IT!!!

[@jasondavison4428]

How I see M+ is similar to Arya and The Hound from Game of Thrones. Arya Stark : "Lots of people name their swords..."

[@julianahavart]

The issue with m+ is that people play for themselves, not for the team. They want to be high in dps to validate themselves as better than others, then flame them if anything goes wrong. It's a team game, not a solo. WoW players in general are plagued by this "pride", which is also why so many veteran PvErs are scared to do pvp - because they do not want to be directly compared to others. Due to said pride. They rather do it with third party sites and ratings and logs. Go back to old times or classic and you won't see that kind of toxicity. Why? Because manners mattered. Now you're unlikely to meet the same random twice, so people don't hesitate to bring out their worst and vent their frustration on anyone they might feel deserves it. Usually pugged KSH in a week or two, with immense pressure on pushing past the dreadful rating to get into the good keys. But now going slower at 2,1 but with a full premade and only 2-3 sessions weekly. I can see some of the things are hitting pretty hard. Remember, people. It is not a competition. Higher score does not make you better, and absolutely nobody will care about it moving forward. You're enough as you are, just give it your best. Add people, make friends, play with them. Satisfaction increases expontentially.

[@hobosnake1]

@julianahavart this season I gave up on getting my 10s done right away. That was possible before, but now I needed to have been in a guild and have heroic done for every lockout since release. I've just accepted that it'll be a slower journey to get that mythic piece from the weekly vault. I have to say that not taking it too seriously is making it actually more fun despite it being more restrictive. I have some really big gains in the future to get. Almost have 4 set. Eventually I'll get there. Just don't want to be beholden to a game for a timeslot of my life. Pug life baby. Pugging heroic is rough and I've only killed like 5 bosses, but I got some decent stuff. Not sweating it. In the past I'd be upset if I didn't have a perfect week getting the max reward I can.

[@TheComebackKids]

Good points all around

[@lucaschebance3135]

As a beginner tank in mythic, i played +0 and all my mates were cool : we wipe like 3-4 times on the last grim batol boss, and everybody was just : patient.

[@MrMagyar5]

The warrior changes aren't a problem. Warriors aren't angry about this as trash DPS doesn't matter anyways. No serious player looks at trash pull DPS and thinks.. OMG warrior OP. They are still amazing DPS on 2 cleave and single target raid and Mythic + where it matters. Mythic + is a mixed bag. The scaling is terrible for the rewards. Seriously, you have to get to an M7 to get 610 gear, and 616 from the Vault. This is absurd. Most players won't get past an M4 or 5 due to health and damage scaling. It's quite ridiculous that the rewards are so pathetic for the effort required. You will ALWAYS have the sweaty player who pushes to M10 for the gilded crests, but the Delves are balanced just about right. They have some tweaking left for delves with specs and Brann, but a decently geared player can run a Tier 8 delve solo without much effort. I ran a tier 8 bountiful delve with my 564 Warlock yesterday. Some classes, like warlocks, and hunters, and tanks have a MUCH easier time in delves than straight DPS. This needs a tune. Brann needs to have a tanking role added or needs to be better CC when healing. M+ needs some serious tuning, ESPECIALLY on Grim Batol and Slag Works. Both are very unpopular due to mob health, damage, and effects.

[@jerelp4926]

Warrior Changes Arent a Big Problem. Oh hell nah. You mean that forreal? KekW

[@SantiLucero098]

Grim Batol and Ara Kara

[@pompommania]

About keys, the mistake was to increase the difficulty so steeply. Not everybody wants hard content. It wouldn't have taken anything away from gamers wanting higher level key rewards and experience. In my experience, anybody has the opportunity to be a jerk in any type of content.

[@mikesmicroshop4385]

I don't raid at all anymore for the reasons you stated! I am just completely fed up with people being complete ASSES when someone (usually me) was not an expert on every little nuance of an instance!

[@cyborgtemplar1989]

M+ thos was going to happen when 2s became essentially 10 to 12s. Previously you could hop into a 2 and wouldn't need to know much. It started being punishing but not by alot. . . Once you over 7s (m0 or lower) is when larger skill gaps became apparent. As missing interrupts, pulling bad packs etc. Starting just wiping you of enough went wrong. It curved to where it is at low end now. But was far more forgiving to learn. Now you use a guide before going in. Even on m0 without a pre-made. We no longer have that buffer range.

[@TheComebackKids]

True

[@jamesbabkes1493]

Excellent material. Really appreciate the content

[@TheComebackKids]

Thanks so much for watching

[@seankennedy9662]

Had someone rage quit yesterday because we weren’t going as fast as he wanted in a +4. We still cleared with just 4 people because the dudes dps was lower than mine (I was a tank).

[@Shishakind86]

There are indeed a lot of degenerates running keys atm. So much so that for "normal" tanking I get sometimes praised for no reason. Did a double pull in Necrotic Wake at the start and some teammates took this as an invitation to pull the whole room on purpose, including the Gatekeeper mobs (or what they're called). We chainwiped a few times because everyone immediately released and after 1-2 minutes of pure chaos 3 people just left the group without a word. There are a lot of such funny stories to tell about the start of the season.

[@seankennedy9662]

@@Shishakind86 it’s been absolute chaos lol. We were having a blast wiping yesterday because it was just being silly what people were doing

[@timothycrawford2484]

As a BM hunter m+ hasn’t been an option outside of guild mates occasionally taking me. Trying to pug on a day off I got into 4 keys in a 12 hour time span. Delves and raid has been the only gear I’ve been able to get.

[@pickyou223]

brand new to the game ( was enhancement shaman but swapped to resto because my fingers hurt) I love M+ everyone says ggs at the end some even add me (2100 raider io level). I feel like iam pushing myself as a healer with everydungeon im doing at 6+ some people will insta leave if i miss something like lust timer / they die and i could do something. the only thing that upsets me is that as a healer everyone notices my mistakes. but only i notice when yall dps stand in swirlies >:(

[@TheComebackKids]

That’s fair

[@JasonLeMaire]

Warriors, Effect the class a little bit?? Lol, How many times do they need to nerf Fury, Soon it won't be worth it, just to walk them around.. Oh, that warrior is walking to fast Nerf it!!! oh, it looks like Fun, Nerf it!!

[@NooBeRGoD]

The multishot dmg increase is super weird. It doesnt do very much damage anyway, and its only used to keep Beast Cleave up

[@TheComebackKids]

I can agree

[@TheAegrith]

We bring a 5% dmg increase with battleshout but, i do agree. We, fury warrior specificly, always gets dumped on the first two seasons of a expansion. Finally we get to blast early and all that they are doing now if nerfing us down steady enough that by the time season 2 hits, we'll be mid at most.

[@Dirty_Bird_xx]

Welcome to the timeline of pretty much every other class lol

[@endofexistence2149]

You could be a rogue, almost zero attention in beta. No changes to hero talents, lack luster dps. And will still get nerfed by blizzard if even one person manages to top logs.

[@joeym3147]

​@@endofexistence2149 Sin is still good so

[@coconut-farmer2154]

I lost a lot to Zekvir ?? as a warlock before I realized that my teleport removes the poison. After realizing that, I took him out after a few more tries xD

[@nothanksnopenoname6403]

Since they gave the current allied race a choice to be either faction, like Drakes got, I don’t see the giving another allied race this expansion. It would probably be after all the story stuff is over and they need a way to keep people playing. Meaning give players a reason to stay on and grind rep or something for a new race.

[@nicolas.p1750]

the dracthyr glide nerf was a punch in my nuts tbh, i was excited about leveling up a priest or warlock but not anymore. For m+ people just don't accept me, i'm a survival hunter, so i bring nothing to the table, then my Raider IO score, people just don't accept me, so i've been pvping for like 3 days now, kinda sad

[@zomginmypocket]

I only do keys with guildies/ IRL friends i don't care for pugs because a lot of them just leave the second things don't go exactly their way and then the key is dead... only time we go with a pug is if its their key we use then we can be pretty sure the pug won't leave xD

[@selitoskuldakis2209]

I agree, Ill never be good enough to beat Zek, but you need stuff in the game like that

[@TheComebackKids]

Yes

[@UltimateGamerCC]

Zek'vir nerf is great, i strongly agree that his 2nd Fight should not be a cakewalk. from what i hear it takes around 610 ilvl with all the buffs and enchants to beat ?? Zek'vir, and it's not a quick fight, takes a bit to get him down.

[@almshmom93]

Rip fury warrior nerf every week 😢

[@Damnit1Lost]

Deserved.

[@danielnguyen1811]

Well needed

[@WhiteManKangJump]

why deserved ?

[@ryandilegge297]

They topping charts way too ez ​@WhiteManKangJump

[@Tultubn]

​@@ryandilegge297 No sense warrior is dead now is absurd

[@haubeck]

I agree with lower mythic being generally toxic. I’m a returning wow player and trying to learn to play prot pally due to the long que times. Had some really amazing patient groups that were happy to tell me mechanics, also had some really toxic ones drop after first boss, kick for being too slow on a M0 etc.

[@yeaspooky1917]

The biggest problem for me and M+ is sometimes waiting an hour up just to get into a +3 or +4 and this was when i was ilvl 604 so about when i should be there i had an io score of 1100 and sometimes it would just take so long to get in i would be angry by the time it was time to do the dungeon. It kinda gets annoying seeing declined or delisted after a while i know M+ has been like this for a while but it didnt feel this bad in dragonflight but maybe i have just been unlucky.

[@yeaspooky1917]

i am now ilvl 613 and 2015 score something like that and longer have issues getting into groups im a ret pally

[@TheComebackKids]

That’s fair

[@kkin4438]

Healer main here and yes, I have not been having fun in lower keys. I think part of the toxicity is coming from tuning for 1000th time. Blizzard has this idea that it's somehow fun to heal when it's a game of whack-a-mole. Sure it's fun for some people and some specs, but it's exhausting. Some of it is people just not doing kicks, mechanics, etc. and some of is just they have no idea how to scale difficulty imo.

[@TheComebackKids]

Yeah that’s fair

[@pamelamalcolm9999]

Hubby and I are a tank/heal combo, +5 down makes you want to quit it was so toxic. We do +7 up and its just a breeze, yes some pull what they shouldnt but its still "easier" than low keys.

[@TheComebackKids]

Agreed

[@ScottySmith1957]

Honestly the problem with mythic plus has been the rebalance of difficulty. Traditionally people just want to mindlessly blast keys and just vibe but that’s just not possible. Even in mythic 0 you’re GOING to wipe to misunderstood mechanics and I actually think that’s a problem. Previously there was a gradual incline of the demands of player skill and that made enjoying the game/being social much more manageable. Now even in +2’s you have people who know nothing about the dungeons who would just like to learn and casually play mixed with people who had 3k io in a previous season that feel like they’re entitled to a free +2 key and are just shocked when it’s not completely free to get their gear and crests. I wish they didn’t do the difficulty switch. It organized players and their expectations in a much more healthy way, and “agreeing to affixes” was a way of allowing players to opt in to difficulty in a better way. Now every single dungeon is lethal at every item level and it’s hard to distinguish a m0 from a m7 because everything kills you anyway.

[@rogerlongfall]

Thank you for the great update Report. Thank you

[@TheComebackKids]

Thanks for watching

[@Tyranno-Bore-Us]

It would be nice if I could just choose to not use Ascended Form on my Shaman, something more subtle.

[@Skuggi88]

M+ should be a static group activity. Complete pugs are fine to fill in, but this type of content is best with a pool of players that know each other's styles. Delves>pugs

[@dnpnunes]

As someone who loves to tank, M+ always was very good. The problem is since someone had the stupid idea to create raiderio EVERYONE wants to be the best ONLY with the best. Most DPS only want to get carried by the tank and the healer while they hit all the buttons to be on top of damage meter. They dont care if the tank or the healer are having a hard time they just go for it. And last, when things start to go wrong who is the first one to start throwing blames? I dont even care anymore. Stopped doing M+ since SL and honestly i am not going back into it until all that crap raiderio and damage meters disappear from wow for good

[@rusfeedernoob5441]

I'm against penalties for m+. Otherwise, brace yourself for the posts of genuine players held hostage if they don't trade a sum of gold or griefers refusing to play until they get kicked to dodge the penalty. There won't ever be a perfect solution for everyone. If you want to push keys and a group indicates failure during the first one or two pulls because they're clearly not prepared, there's nothing wrong with cutting losses. The big problems arise when people try to skip a few levels of keystone instead of progressing one by one, only to find out they were close to their skill ceiling and can no longer carry their weight.

[@nahsti8869]

I love the difficulty squish for M+ but it has made pugging to KSH and beyond completely solo like I usually do much worse, the gap of key levels that separates the better players and the casuals is much smaller now and we're clashing in keys a lot as the key gaps are much closer. The amount of people that literally have zero idea what's going on in a 4-5 key because they skipped over any early work in Heroics to learn mechanics is actually crazy. I think in the lower keys people are just expecting the lower skilled players to know everything straight away and if they mess up a mechanic they just leave. I got my main to 2k io for 4 set and have jumped to my alts to catch them up as I'm in no rush I play keys all season and there is a much longer wait for a tank in 2/3s because no one wants to do them anymore the people that are left in there are not great and getting 616 gear in your vault for soloing a level 8 delve leaves very little reason for people to have patience for newer or lower skilled people.

[@christographerx64]

what mechanics in Heroic dungeons? People just run through them. The first time you see mechanics is M0 and by then it's too late

[@TheComebackKids]

That’s fair

[@driveltwaddle7286]

Seems like you’re being quite honest :) Thanks for the video!

[@TheComebackKids]

lol

[@NerdNavigator]

At 7:52 where you say Beast Mastery is getting some buffs... it doesn't seem you understand what the change to Basilisk Collar is supposed to do. Its a huge nerf to single target damage that they are only making up a bit for with the kill command damage increase.

[@lucaschebance3135]

Profession sucks they should rework it As beginner, profession are overhelming for me, and feel like it don't worst the cost to lvl them

[@Torrance92]

Just hit 2k for m+ to get the mount now I'll just do one 8 a week for gear and stick to delves

[@tonydamiani8029]

Would love to see a Jack Skeleton transmog

[@TheComebackKids]

Yesss

[@juanticimo]

To me the issue is, it goes from heroics being a total steam roll, to having to know mechanics or you wipe.. a mythic 0 should be just that, the place to learn the mechanics, where maybe the loot isnt as good, but its better than heroic, and you can work your way up... to me the difference between a mythic 5 and a mythic 0 is less of a change than it is from heroic to mythic 0... its just a big jump, and a lot of players are coming back from a long break. Also as others have said, the timers should be implemented 10+ and on.. its the reason people are toxic..because they lose loot if someone doesnt know the mechanics.

[@joemama2455]

******GIANT SIGH OF RELIEF***** frost DKs live for another day

[@TheComebackKids]

lol

[@jajantona]

Everyone only cries about m+ but all my runs so far have been friendly and fun. Blasting all runs first try after a 10 min guide video. Also I don’t invite the very first to apply. I check score, gear and definitely past seasons achievements. Yes, even for a +4

[@baysideinc]

Havent experienced toxic players in Mythic+, moreso the long q times for DPS. I think a lot of people need to sack up and play a tank/healer so they have more control over the groups they are a part of. Maybe add a buff where if 3/5 of the same people do another mythic they get an added bonus (valorstones, rep, etc) to incentivize plauers doing chain mythics

[@STARSHIPTROOP]

M+ issues mostly have been people just not knowing mechanics . Go watch Quazi's "Masterclass" series. Also is a problem when I have more kicks than the tank, people either don't know what their class kick/interrupt is or don't know/care have bad it is if casts are left to happen. And so many "One-shot" mechanics are out there now. BUG? I have noticed that some "dragon" mobs have be spinning 180 degrees to non tanks when they are not supposed to with "blast" mechanics.

[@BroJim07]

I really hope they bring Harronir in as an allied race as well. No offense to those who like the dwarfs but I feel we're overflowing with the various versions of them at this point.

[@MrAhuri]

All i expect is a big nerf on stonevault +10 as resto shaman, is to hard :)) great video thanks!

[@BlindingSun_]

That’s because it’s really a +20

[@TheKozdgaf]

They should take a page from delves for m+ dont make it hard because of timers make it hard because of lives left....if they left current m+ in with timers to enjoy but mirrored with an alternate version of it with lives instead for people that dont want to treat it as a race would be awesome

[@kyleb4151]

nearly all Preservation Evokers were using Chronowarden - this won't affect them.

[@wariseast]

Warrior is dead in m+ with these changes. No reason to bring one over a dk/ret/rogue/enh/Dh… honestly pretty difficult to see what blizzard were thinking and shows they really have no idea how to balance classes. Warriors will be gimps for season 1 until they eventually acknowledge these awful balance changes and I anticipate single target and sustained damage increases. Tbh fury/arms probably needs a strong look at and a rework… mountain thane is boring and clunky to play, warrior dps (fury rotation etc) is highly error prone, and the reward is no longer there. Feels really bad as a casual who doesn’t just wanna reroll

[@shianova]

I'm considering to stop playing until the BM rework cause I compete with tank damage. Blizzard likes to nerf fun and leave it in the gutter until you're not having fun anymore, they nerf your class and take 4 months to balance it back to being playable

[@SantiLucero098]

you were topping charts easily, wtf

[@Normarry]

Its a bit hard to say honestly, I've had a pretty pleasant experience with M+ when its between 4-8, my first 9 the tank just ended up leaving after the first pull. I host all my keys though so its different as appose to joining a party with leader whos toxic

[@shianova]

The problem with WoW is that as long as details is going to exist the game will remain toxic because everybody is competing to be top dps and forgetting to do mechanics or play for the team. The nerf to tanks is harsh as well cause it has never taken me this long to find tanks for keys

[@BorgWolf359]

Dracthyr need to get the Druid class because Preservation talents get their power from the Emerald Dream! We also need Shamans because we are connected to the Elements!

[@michia9525]

Nice one. Greetingz from germany o/

[@TheComebackKids]

Greetings friend 🙏

[@ShugGmail]

I would have loved if Delves were on par with M+, sadly Delves stop at 8, while this virtually makes m+ start at 7.

[@Inthefield5674]

Big mythic plus guy here . Low keys are atrocious and not fun because people simply don’t do the research . They don’t know their class they don’t know mechanics which makes the key frustrating. The whole talk about penalties is toxic simply because the better players who are climbing the ladder through pugging is going to be hit the hardest. Most of us don’t have a team to push with and usually find good players in the higher end pugs.

[@TheComebackKids]

But leaving a low key because maybe one of the players isn’t good now screws over 4 other people

[@ascendence1121]

i just want to state as a warrior player that i believe we should continue to buff fury warriors so we may feel god amongst men please and thank you blizzard for this consideration :)

[@sids711]

So now updates for feral druids, I think they should remove them completely to save people from heartburn.

[@deanfromhungary]

Toxis or not, on +6 you should know the mechanics. If you are new, go play some 0s and get confy. You have no place on a 7 or even a 4 without actually having an idea whats going on. Respect other ppl time. The amount ppl I see not using any def cds, any interrupts/ccs is crazy.

[@piotrjeske4599]

Yeah but no one wants waste their time and Keys doing 0s and getting less stuff for same or more time invested in to A run.

[@deanfromhungary]

@@piotrjeske4599 I get your point, but then those ppl should not complain and call others toxic. If you go in a 5-6-7, and you have no clue, and someone calls you out, then take responsibility.

[@Absurd000]

both new shaman ascendance forms looks SICK i dunno why people were hating on the first one so much. they are both cool as fuck

[@AM-bx8rt]

I just got back into retail specifically to do M+. I’ve had multiple people leave after just a single death (not even a wipe) wasting keys. They should absolutely be punished for this.

[@kevinj24535]

I have no problem in Mythic +, mostly the people who shout toxic are themselves the toxic part of the group and don't want to team play and learn. You are not forced to play mythic + in wow and if you want to you can play with friends or guild members.

[@TheComebackKids]

That’s fair

[@shawnjohnson7451]

I was trying to run my key that I upgraded to a 6. 2 different teams I made and the healer rage quit before we even killed the first boss in City of Threads. I eventually got a good team and we cleared my 4. They need to have penalties for people that leave keys.

[@TheComebackKids]

Ouch

[@joethestrat]

Second comment but you're right, guy-on-screen-talking-to-me. Higher m+ levels are better because those players take the game more seriously. Heres a good example: We all know that running leveling/heroic dungeons are different, for sure, but part of what makes them different is the average leveling/heroic/casual dungeoner doesnt need to be as skilled or knowledgeable about the game to get a reward, so they wont improve. Why bother? They're getting rewarded, and there is nothing wrong with that. However, that less serious mindset is displayed through performance... theres a difference. A big one. Like leveling/heroics, the higher up in m+ you get, you need to be better than casual/leveling/heroics to get the reward. The players are just more skilled, which is around your level of competency guy-in-video, which is why you have a better time in higher keys. This has been the case forever, im not a genius and didnt originate this theory but it still holds true to anyone with eyes.

[@Maba111]

The current nerf for glide removes any current class mobility like trailblazer. I'm all for it not adding to what you have but taking away what the other races can use is not what I want.

[@sp0ny573]

If it has a quest it should be completable. Hard is acceptable impossible is not.