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[@V1N_574]

is this something you charge back to the client or you just absorb the R&D cost?

[@warrenwerks]

Title says “we lost $5,000 doing this” so it sounds to me like Black Forest ate the cost. It would be a really poor business move too imo to back charge the customer, I can’t imagine Black Forrest doing that

[@V1N_574]

@@warrenwerks unless you quote originally 1 to 2 test aside from actual cost.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

We absorb all of this cost! We often do things like this as it allows us to develop new skills and techniques.

[@kentboys5017]

Great way to display a photo or memento. Excellent idea. Great job. Thanks for sharing and keep them coming.👍🏻You guys out there in Calgary are the gold standard in this type of work. Awesome!!! Take care.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks so much Kent!!

[@jamesbarisitz4794]

Not to be a know it all, but a test on a 5x7 inch photo with the same paper and lamination would have been a prudent approach I would suggest! Something to keep on file which may save costly future experimental tests. Same materials and approach, just models of the full size project. Hi Charlie, wherever you are! 👍 😃

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

We did try on 5x7 photos, bigger photos are a completely different ball game unfortunately!

[@cpzzle1447]

I could think of other options that would cost significantly less. I personally would never do that but y’all did do a great job on the product.

[@stuartround]

You could have got the photos heat sealed onto a flat white board first, rather than laminating them which has left a visible border around the edges of the photos. That has the added benefit of being waterproof, and presumably resin proof at the same time.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Maybe we'll try that out next time!

[@johnlord8337]

there ! You have a high-density rubber ink roller. Same option for rolling on epoxy/resin/PE onto the surface of burl wood tables - w/o paint brush fiber traces.

[@dougk5456]

Really looks good. Admire your never give up attitude!!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Doug!

[@kathybirkett7986]

Very cool! I tried doing something similar a few years ago but couldn't get past failed testing. You have given me the keys, I think, to making mine work. Thanks! Those look stunning!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Glad we could help! Let us know how it goes!

[@kathybirkett7986]

@@BlackForestWoodCo Will do!

[@maccthelab5165]

You started with stunning black and white photos and created memorable art. Very honest video, much appreciated.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you so much!

[@TheBarak5000]

Charlie, Another fun video, it's nice to see the process of you trying new things.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks so much, glad you enjoyed!

[@davidzip873]

Very nice work Brad. Exacting work is in your DNA!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Oh yes!!

[@astronuub9334]

Really interesting idea. Love the way you showed the messed up parts, shows not everything is perfect first time around, even for you guys.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you! We're not perfect haha!

[@rogerfar]

Norway or Belgium, whatever is across the pond right! Just something I hear on a weekly basis as a European in Calgary. 😂

[@Goalsplus]

Some country in North America

[@dutchman8129]

They could have had this one in ‘some European country’ as well I guess? way cheaper, too?

[@ravenus88]

Not to undermining your work, because it turned out looking very cool, but the idea itself must be the ultimate, most ridiculous waste of material and man-hours ever.

[@Titantitan001]

I agree lol

[@dinachristine]

i think this project turned out beautifully! $5000 is peanuts compared to the knowledge learned. 🥰✌🏼❤️❣️🇨🇦

[@DrivingWithJake]

Very interesting and awesome as always. I enjoy seeing some failures it really is nice to see not everything works perfectly first try!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Jake, agreed! It's nice to see the mistakes sometimes!

[@gandalfthemead3121]

I have only attempted one project of pouring a 1 inch layer on top of a log as a side table. I had all kinds of issues from, learning how to keep the goo from oozing out to, how do I fill a split. I was almost done and the split ripped open and slit the 1 inch pour on top. Now I have to deep pour the split, sand it all and then try to do a waterfall over the whole stump. This is really hard to do, man making mead is so much easier! I will attempt to finish it this summer and then I would like to try and do a picture of a map of Middle Earth.

[@houghtonred]

I've been thinking of doing this on a much smaller scale. Love how they've turned out.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you!!

[@danwalker5291]

This is great! My sister recently asked me about casting pictures and invitations from her wedding. Now I know some of the tricks to getting a good result!

[@beanieweenie9543]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Good luck! Hope you can get it on the first try, unlike us 🤣

[@labohemienneuse161]

SUPREME QUALITY! 💎👌🏾

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you!

[@jeffreycollins7297]

Amazing experience. You really helped create some fantastic pieces. My only question which was not answered in the video is... HOW are these going to be hung? I would think you could route out a channel in the back and place it on the wall that way, but you put the photo all the way in the back of the pour. And obviously you don't want to show the channel in all that wonderful clear resin. Cheers on another great project and video!

[@Titantitan001]

I love breaking out the castings when I pour self leveler.

[@buckodonnghaile4309]

Next time add a can of spar varnish, some Epsom salt, a Vidalia onion, and some deck screws. Should do the trick, lickety split.

[@latencycc]

Very cool, end result... Those pics are awesome

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks so much!

[@steveluepke9654]

Cool project. Sometimes things dont turn out but after a few failures you learn how to do it the best way. Would like this in my place. I have a 36" saw blade with Union Pacifac 4014 Big Boy steam engine on it. Wish I could send you a photo of it but do t know how. Thanks for listening

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Steve!! Yes, the best way to learn is by doing! If you have Instagram you can dm us the picture there @blackforestwoodco

[@metropcs7560]

Amazing and beautiful, I hope many more will be requested.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

We'll see!

[@scotth5503]

wonder if spray adhesive would work better than that brush on cement. I use 3M 77 for a variety stuff and the bond is quite strong but the work time is near zero - once you stick it, it's pretty much impossible to rearrange.

[@bobcarter7501]

It's amazing the detail you can get with modern photography.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Absolutely!

[@jacobchilds9358]

This is awsome shows you how a small business works through all its failures to create a thriving business

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Jacob! We're glad we can show our process!

[@Thefineartofdistraction]

Very cool idea & WOW that’s a lot of wasted resin, that is such a thick casting, so I’m curious did the customer pay for the practice runs or did your company take that hit as a loss & learning experience

[@bill48m]

praxtize practice makes prefect perfect great job

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Exactly! Thanks Bill!

[@andybinhho]

Not sure if it was mentioned in the video, but would maybe suggest doing smaller scale product(s) first to R&D the correct usage of adhesive, techniques, materials, etc. so initial mistakes are not as costly when doing them full scale. Love the videos, much love from Texas

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

We did, but it turned out to be a very different process between the small and the large photos. Thanks for watching Andy!

[@rumpple4skin976]

that's an awesome idea and ya I would try this at home thanks for the inspiration you guys rock

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks so much Tim!

[@rumpple4skin976]

@@BlackForestWoodCo Thank you

[@johncotton866]

Thanks for another GREAT video!!! Enjoyed seeing the success and the failures. When you put the pictures in plastic, did you use a hot lamination or cold lamination process? How are you able to eliminate the bubbles in the final piece, but had bubbles in one of the earlier pieces? Thanks for letting us see the process leading up to your final success! Outstanding work as always!!!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks John! We always want our resin to be more on the cool side otherwise it will flash cure and cause bubbles. Lamination was the biggest thing in achieving perfect photos, but in general our Black Forest Deep Resin is a big reason why we get minimal bubbles!

[@johncotton866]

@@BlackForestWoodCo Cold or hot lamination refers to the process of adhering the plastic laminating material to the photo or paper. As a teacher, I often laminate materials so they will last longer. If the laminating machine has to be heated first, that is hot lamination. Cold lamination, which to me is better, is more appropriate for large objects. Also, the machine does not have to be heated. Does your shop have a laminating machine or did you take the photos somewhere else to be laminated?

[@jordangiudice5941]

I would do this...I have some photos that I might want to do this with. Fantastic result...

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Jordan! Let us know how it goes if you try!

[@josiecapps2555]

Great job guys, eventually 🤗🤗

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Hahaha thanks Josie!

[@maddieadams75]

Looks amazing. ♥️

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you Maddie!

[@adwhite804]

Darn cool idea ..and they look fantastic 👍

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks so much!

[@jumpingjacks5558]

Very interesting. The overall project looked great. Did you contact someone who professionally mounts pictures and painting into frames? I would guess they have a lot of good ideas. Great video as always.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Yes we did talk to a few places! Thats what lead us to lamination.

[@cattac6]

Looks amazing, finally! I was wondering how they are going to be hung, did you inlay some key hole plates in back? Or is the hanging left to the client to sort out later? They must weigh a fair amount, I would hate for them to fall off the wall. Good to see you persevere and complete the assignment and in the end beautiful. Cheers Michael.

[@MrJonnyd55]

If you look a bit closer you can see the edges of the lamination pouch around the perimeter of the photo. Looks cheap and naff

[@SingerGuy59]

Look at 11:05 and you can see there are eight female threads that were most likely part of the initial pour of the back. Those can be used to screw a wooden strip all the way across on the top and the bottom. Cut a 45 degree angle in the strip, and in the matching strip that is secured to the wall, and gravity will then hold them together.

[@oldkingcrow777]

@@SingerGuy59 called a "French Cleat" across the globe

[@SingerGuy59]

@old King Crow Didn't really care, but good to know. Thanks.

[@reginalawson3438]

Beautiful, lots of work! May I ask why didn't you do test pours on a small photograph first? A lot less waste and time. Thanks for sharing always interesting projects!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

We did, those tests came out perfect

[@morninboy]

When using contact cement and applying the flexible photos first slide something like a piece of plastic laminate underneath, align and attach an edge, then slowly pull the laminate out while pressure rolling.

[@daveklein2826]

LMAO

[@morninboy]

@@daveklein2826 are you displaying your lack of intelligence?

[@ryanc8188]

I would try it on a much smaller like 4x6 or 8x10 scale not 48x48 🤣 But at least you figured it out. I thought you had contact cemented them all down to begin with and the heat got to the cement and made it bubble. Looks good though, not cheap but good. 👍

[@kipdrippers]

I was thinking the same thing 😂 that is a lot of resin

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Haha we did a couple small ones and they worked fine. It wasn’t until the big ones that things went wrong 😬

[@JNDCreations]

You guys should really check out Kustom Grit. its a food safe grit paste rated up to 100,000 grit. Made by a company called Kustom Creations. Really is top notch stuff for resin work!

[@josephinemiller4780]

I bet the cost to ship those is ridiculously high. Great job!

[@tazb745]

After seeing your prices, $5k breaks my heart! Freedom Canada 🇨🇦

[@thomaslandry403]

You didn’t lose 5k, you invested 5k in learning how to do it

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Good way to look at it!!

[@z4zuse]

5:20 how do you make something level, if you do not trust the top side?

[@patriciaharkin1571]

That is awesome, really cool.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Patricia!

[@timothyshepodd7826]

Perhaps you should have started with 5x7s? Blessings!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

We did and they went perfect. it's just the bigger sizes that caused problems

[@WarriorKidd06]

They look great one you got the process right. Still far too expensive

[@derrickmcgregor8069]

Was looking at doing this on a smaller scale inside wooden frames

[@markmoulin41]

Will this resin “yellow” a bit over time? Are there additives that you could add to prevent this? Special resin? Thnks

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

We added UV inhibitors as well as a slight blue tint to counteract yellowing

[@freedombro6502]

I was thinking this would last many many generations. Good to know it wasn't just a rubbish thought

[@fredproctor6973]

That's pretty cool, at least now you know how to do it right and next time you won't have so much of a loss.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Exactly!

[@mcnegromon]

I sort if missed the part about the start process to this. Did you pour a thin layer first, then contact cement and then deep pour. Or just stick the photo down to hdpe?

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Yes, base layer followed by contact cement followed by a pour using our Black Forest Deep Resin

[@treyday5200]

How much would it cost 2 cast 1 air jordan shoe?

[@jimmyrk3]

I could see doing this. It would certainly have to be an extraordinary photo.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Agreed!

[@portlyoldman]

Hi Dylan and crew 😀

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Hey Jim!

[@9000256]

Not sure if you wanted to avoid saying where the client is from. But normally people confuse Sweden with Switzerland not Belgium. (Malmö is a town in Sweden)

[@kawestley1965]

What about laminating the paper or the print before pouring the epoxy

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

That's what we ended up doing!!

[@cree878]

They look great 😃

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Tracy!

[@wackamoles]

Malmö = city in Sweden, across the pond :)

[@mstreich]

Why not in the middle of two pours?

[@John-pn7bh]

Great job, looks fantastic. It isn't something I'd do though.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks John! Fair enough!

[@evelyn_r]

They turned out amazing. I would totally do that if I could actually afford it ^^;

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Eveyln! And yes, it's a little pricy haha

[@justjane2070]

The photos are lovely. Video too.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks so much Jane!

[@eugenetrollip751]

Experience is expensive!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Definitely!

[@Cassandra_Johnson]

Wow, that is some expensive experimenting! Just curious, is it safe to assume the photographer knew you would be reshowing his works on youtube? Just curious in this world of copyright insanity.

[@kha0sv4ktor72]

double the glasses, double the accuracy

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Absolutely!

[@brucemaher7621]

Why was I gritty my teeth while you were doing this....

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Haha, nervousness maybe!

[@adwhite804]

Dry mounting these on oversized acrylic first would probably help you guys out here. Offers some weight, the photos are completely flat ( dry mounting is a plus here. Especially since it's not museum mounting or anything. ) ...I used to frame pictures,photos,tapestries, golf clubs, helmets, about anything you can frame I have. And for your process with the epoxy. I think this would work well. The laminate and or adhesive used it high heat resistant so even if the epoxy gets a bit warm.. you'd be in good shape... Not sure that would do it. But I think it would work out well

[@r208876]

Malmö is a city in Sweden.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Whoops!

[@amyodov]

If I ever had several spare hundreds millions, I would open The Museum of Perfectionism. The art pieces on exhibition in this museums would not be “the perfect craft items”, no. The whole idea of The Museum of Perfectionism would be to show the *non*-perfect items.The costly failures like this. The failures that the Average Joe wouldn't ever guess what is even wrong with that - but the author, the craftman of the art piece, still considered that a failure and strived for better. And such a museum would be rather a sightseeing. Most people in the museums don’t really have a “click” with most of the items being exhibited. They roam around the halls, look at a picture, look at another picture, they typically don't know much of the context for each artpiece. Lucky if they find at least a single art piece they could stand by and examine for 15 minutes, immerse into its story. This museum would be a place with instant immersion into every piece by anyone: you would look at an art piece and try to guess what's wrong? what did the artist treated it as a “failure”? was that a costly failure? could it have been prevented? - and there would be a large explanation, story, description, covering all of that, no matter if you guessed “why it is a failure” or not. In the world of the aspiration to reach the perfect, it would be very didactic to see, how high some craftpersons raise the bar for themselves.

[@madeleinemuller1445]

Maybe your client came from Sweden? It was a Swedish guy that took the picture 😉

[@darreng1918]

Cool.

[@alfredthor1218]

Damn... there's nothing u guys can't do. Cheers

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks so much Alfred!

[@SPUDHOME]

Please either talk much louder, or turn the music down, balance it out.

[@radcat9473]

He in fact did not edit it out this week lmfao

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

I'm a girl haha. But yes I did at 11:00, but then I put the unedited clip again at the end because it's funny

[@radcat9473]

@@BlackForestWoodCo well it was funny

[@sylvaind.6786]

"We lost $5000" Charging them twice to end customer...

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Nope, we don't charge the customer for our learning experience!

[@AdzOwnz]

Comment for the algorithm

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Adam!

[@jasonnoble5047]

could they not just have sandwiched the photo between 2 sheets of perspex and gotten almost the same look?

[@brober8661]

I couldn't help but imagine some rich a$$hole discussing the plastic in the ocean to their wealthy friends while they unironically show off their new art installation. . .

[@KingGraver]

More like the Black Forest Epoxy and Glue Company. When are you going to get back to wood???

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Guess you'll have to keep watching to see!

[@dottiemathews6853]

I LOVE IT!!! THAT IS AWESOME! IF I HAD SOME BIG MONEY, I WOULD LOVE TO PUT IN AN ORDER FOR A REALLY COOL CONFERENCE TABLE USING MY LOGO TO BE PUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TABLE WITH TWO COOL PIECES OF SEXY WOOD ON EACH SIDE AND HAVE IT IN CLEAR EPOXY. THAT IS, IF I HAD SOME REAL BIG MONEY! I DESIGN CANVAS TOTEBAGS AND ACCESSORIES. THE NAME OF MY BUSINESS IS CHASSIEDOT CREATIONS. AHH! A GIRL CAN DREAM, CAN'T SHE? LOL! BUT YOU GUYS ARE BRILLIANT AND YOU INSPIRE ME TO KEEP ON DOING WHAT I DO! SO I THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you so much! In the future when your business takes off we would love to make that table for you! Dream big Dottie! So glad we can be a little bit of inspiration for you!