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[@Komodo513]

Yugioh Championship Snake Eye

[@Mrryn]

People just don't get that YCS actually stands for "Yay, Cool Snakes"

[@raymoo8504]

@@Mrryn Yuck, Cringe Snakes

[@pkkiller_apathy4568]

I hate being one of the 10 reptile players who watched this. The best snake deck ever isn't a reptile deck at all.

[@Mrryn]

@@pkkiller_apathy4568 It is sad. Konami is working on an errata for it for clarification though, to change to "Yay, Competitive Snakes"

[@TriPhan-p6l]

Joshua's Runick can not win so he said that.

[@TheDjdeath45]

Unironically, the runick stun game day 1 was more fun to watch than pretty much all of day 2

[@Nelland]

I think it was 2 years ago(?) during the adventure pile format, someone said "you know the format is shit when we cheered on the stun player"

[@xCorvus7x]

This might be different in best-of-three but in Master Duel, Stun seems a bit overhated, to be honest. These strategies cannot OTK and - unless they can clear your board easily and OTK with several floodgate monsters, or Rivalry and TCBOO lock you into your Normal summon which is too weak to matter - playing against such a deck can be a fun challenge.

[@AndrewVaillant]

​@@xCorvus7xstun in BO1 just feels horrid to play against. I came to play the game, not cross my fingers that I get to play the game

[@xCorvus7x]

@@AndrewVaillant But you get to play the game. Floodgates have always been a part of Yu-Gi-Oh.

[@AndrewVaillant]

@@xCorvus7x I don't think you read my comment

[@naiyar3573]

Knowing Konami, the absolute best time for their money grubbing hands to drop a banlist would be like at least 1-2 weeks after INFO drops. People buy the product, get Fiendsmith to boost snake eye, then Konami hits snake eye.

[@lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147]

Watch as it’s something pepega like se ash or wanted to 1, so you have to buy the fiendsmith cards to make up for the consistency lost by that limit

[@josecorrea8839]

Next banlist gonna be in agust

[@j2c695]

Cope and balding

[@Numbwill]

@@josecorrea8839 if they do that, there is no point of a banlist until next year

[@nharviala]

@@lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147 I mean, Fiendsmith is basically the new Adventure package, you can put it into every deck for a nearly free rank 6 or multiple links, provided you can give up the deck space.

[@ddynamite3835]

normally i hate the "we need an emergency ban list" talk, this may be one of the few times where an emergency ban list is needed

[@mickjaegar2379]

i dunno if i'd be surprised if they let full power snake-eye go to worlds, but i'd definitely be disappointed

[@ddynamite3835]

@@mickjaegar2379 thats impossible, snake eye has been hit in the OCG

[@Oloistogamersloungeeistepisogl]

Only because you are too noob to deal with a weak deck ?

[@ddynamite3835]

@@Oloistogamersloungeeistepisogl no, because it's a tier 0 deck that promotes an incredibly unhealthy and unfun format and it took up to 70% of the top 32, took 75% of the top 16 and 87% of top 8

[@Oloistogamersloungeeistepisogl]

@@ddynamite3835 yea I wish I was there and had the cards I need then you would see that it really sucks the way they play it.

[@Abosoria]

But Mr. Konami I don't like diverse formats where I can't prepare for all decks 🥺

[@yuuyue6138]

Its just tcg player who hate devise meta😂😂

[@mudora5156]

don't forget that josh was really excited to brew in a format where there were fewer decks viable.

[@Abosoria]

@mudora5156 yeah that's the exact meaning of my comment. I love josh but don't forget that he kinda suggested he wanted more of a tier 0 format than the diversify that it was unchained, rescue-ace, etc, and now he's complaining about SE too

[@PyckledNyk]

@@AbosoriaYuGiOh players and complaining go together like peas and carrots

[@americantimemachine7128]

In smaller tournaments, Snake Eye isn't BOUGHT bc of its insane price. But it takes a bigger event like a YCS with 14 rounds to understand why it is inherently broken. Other decks cannot keep the power and ratio for that long even if SE is still a small percentage of overall representation. CONVERSION rates, people!!!

[@VictorFC]

It's really funny how people neglect conversion. It's probably the most important data to analyze.

[@lucasalarcon3230]

Also a lot good playerd don't like the deck and they avoid playing the deck in regionals and locals

[@Nelland]

I think this is the first format in a while that EVERYONE unanimously hate a format so much. I think the Kashtira one was pretty close, but it isn't that long compared to this one

[@Jhawk2711]

@@wahrtdef not. That format at least for the top players was actually skill expressive.

[@Wyrser]

Because it's The "normal summon Ash" Format. Unless you have a way to stop every single Ash they play, which is searchable by 5 different cards, you lose. Even Snake Eye mirrors with their 18 hand traps, if a single Ash went through, it was over.

[@AllBeganwithBBS]

One thing I can't forgive Snake-Eyes for is how unfun they make the game. I despised Ishizu Tearlaments, but at least they were reliant on luck and weak to GY hate, and it was interesting to navigate the games. I was mad against SPYRAL but at least they couldn't reasonably go second all that well so you could always side reasonably against the deck. Zoodiac can kindly screw off as always. The game's just not fun at the moment. Anything short of a Flamberge ban and I won't be happy.

[@VictorFC]

Flamberge is an idiotic card. Extends your combos, then can bring back 2 more on your opponent's turn (ash and poplar/oak, that will search/summon more cards).

[@rucian_]

I thought this is what pro players wanted? Prepare for 1 deck in the format and avoid diverse formats?

[@Test-mq8ih]

So true lol

[@N12015]

Hey, don't generalize, some pros did wanted a format who tested your deckbuilding. *This is what Joshua wanted though.*

[@Ragnarok540]

You guys need to work on the podcast recording timing. It was very funny to hear you guys coping so hard after the results were known.

[@Promin3nce]

The thing I hate about this format is that you can absolutely get sacked by things outside of your control. What I mean by that is you can make a deck that has 17 hand traps and a higher chance to draw 3 hand traps than to draw 0, but still not draw any hand traps and get sacked by your opponent because of a deck shuffle and not your deck. When it's mandatory to rely on the luck of drawing cards instead of your deck building, that means they messed up big time.

[@maverickrx8]

It's time to bring pot of greed back up to 3.

[@mrharvy100]

You also want to see what else aged like milk? Go back to the video of the TCG banlist where both Josh and 98% of the comments thought it would fix the meta in a positive direction lol

[@brandanjablonski2320]

Seems like people have a VERY short term memory anymore...

[@L_O_V_E_L_A_I_N]

I remember that Josh video that was like "you can play boardbreakers instead of handtraps now". Funny how that goes.

[@waskithonugroho3955]

Yeah hitting omni negate to weaken deck that using Promethean Princess as end board the only matter on that barone savage hit is rogue deck have weaker end board IMO

[@Xero-rr2ol]

@@waskithonugroho3955 most of the good rogue decks didnt even play them.

[@waskithonugroho3955]

@@Xero-rr2ol oh good so now even the ban did nothing lol

[@CaliburXL99]

Honestly, Baronne & Savage were only hit so that Moloney could sell new “semi-genericish” omni-negates like Varudras & Dragon Master Magia. If we’re being real.

[@christianmccall4126]

So my personal theory, is that the last banlist kinda cemented this. They chop off the top end of an SE endboard... which didn't matter to SE anyways, they have all the resources to go into the next best thing, and also due to handtraps they usually didn't get that far. So Baronne and Savage are gone. No big deal to SE, but for all the tier 2-3 decks where ending on Baronne was such a huge piece, ending on savage, using linkuribor to dodge... MASSIVE blow to a lot of T2/T3 decks. Basically, the banlist didn't do anything to SE, but significantly widened the power level gap between it and less powerful decks. Which made there be a lot less decks that could put up a fight.

[@ryuuohdeltaplus7936]

And then people argue that "if your table 500 deck relies on Baronne/Savage/Linkuriboh it doesn't deserve to have it because meta decks will play it better, so this power gap means nothing when the gap is already wide in the first place"

[@christianmccall4126]

I get it, the frame of mind is like 70% correct. But there's so many decks that are mechanically very solid, they just don't have anything meaningful to end on. Being able to throw one negate onto a board that's just different flavors of interruption is huge tbh. Just being able to backup "ok this one pops, this one if you do this I can special one from deck and that one will shuffle one card on the field back" with a negate to avoid blowouts is a pretty big deal.

[@chewdoom8415]

I cannot even think of many t2 and even less t3 decks that even rely on synchro summoning like that.

[@arrownoir]

Yugioh World Champion finally realizes that hitting the actual cards in the deck is the actual way to rein in the deck than hitting innocent generic extra deck Linkuribohs.

[@hahathatsgreat2]

Its simple guys, Konami does not care if the game is fun to play, skillful, etc. Once you let go of this idea, their banlists make more sense from a marketing perspective.

[@asuraphreak]

Thanks captain obvious.

[@Salvo_117]

You know what’s not obvious how everyone blames Konami which they are partly at fault, but no one blames players who promote and buy these products, don’t blame the players using snake-eyes that would be crazy the people who incentivize Konami’s behavior

[@benign4823]

​​​@@Salvo_117Arguing that people shouldn't want to win is not much of an argument. People want to win, telling people that they shouldn't buy the thing that has the highest chance of getting them wins and blaming them for it is counterproductive.

[@unbeatable750]

The game is skillful tho

[@runningoncylinders3829]

@@benign4823That was the main motif of Arc-V and that playing to win makes you a horrible player. You should always play to entertain the opponent and spectators and focus on decks that are fun to watch and available to grow the game. That’s responsible towards rampant powercreep too, and I would fault you for saying it’s helpful to play a deck to top. There’s no good prizes for a reason.

[@argentfang]

It’s been beaten to death, but I’ll say it again - when your banlist is profit-driven and not balance-driven, your game is trash. Your competitive scene is a joke compared to most other TCGs, and the only think that’s keeping you in is the sunk cost fallacy.

[@DeathlyBioShock]

Always the shit players making these takes

[@RandomGuyCDN]

This is the legit reason why MTG's modern format casually and competitively fell off extremely hard. Banlist used to be used to not have insane winrates and extremely high meta share and then they started printing power crept cards and needing to ban them like YGO has been doing for years. That probably also doesnt help the new player perspective either. Who wants to jump into (non rotational) TCG formats and buy cards at the wrong time and have your deck hit. Thats an instant loss of a customer. and yeah i agree lots of players that play their current card games that are unhappy with the game cant bare the fact that they've spent so much money to keep up with things that they cant leave. All it took for me was a disguised shareholders meeting from WotC in the recent few years to show me what they really were and i had the will power to say screw sunk cost fallacy the company doesnt care about me so I'm hard selling out and playing an affordable card game like pokemon.

[@Shadowx157]

100% agree, some people say Skill Issue.. I don't see 'skill' I see pay-to-win. The top 100 clowns that bought $1,000 Yu-Gi-Oh decks, just to be banned and have card value plummet in 1.5 yrs, repeat. (Where's the skill when it's 'who can draw more handtraps' in the opening hand)

[@kataphrut7740]

Everyone praised the Baronne and Savage hits, but it’s increasingly obvious they only did that because Snake-Eyes was too profitable to hit directly. It’s like how Master Duel never hits anything while it’s still in the shop.

[@abdurachmanromzy4778]

​@@kataphrut7740 at least they tried to hit snake-eyes

[@ViperRaiyu]

They need the tearlaments treatment. Limit everything, and maybe ban one card, preferably one of the level 1’s.

[@Wyrser]

Nah, tearlaments needed thise hits because every tear name was a combo. SE live and die by Ash. They could ban a single level 1 and the deck becomes a lot more sane. It's either Poplar, to reduce how explosive the combo is, or Oak so they no longer have the extreme floating and recursion they have.

[@Raphael4722]

Not really. Just banning flamberge would be enough.

[@Oloistogamersloungeeistepisogl]

Hahahahaha fucking tearlaments is nothing like this deck it's broken as hell and shouldn't even exist. Snake-Eyes is a joke of a deck I never lose to it , the problem is that I am not there to kick their ass and you noobs can't copy my decklists because you are all just netdeckers and you can't come up on your own with strategies to defeat it.

[@Oloistogamersloungeeistepisogl]

@@Raphael4722 The deck works pretty well without Flamberge and noobs don't even use his field effect most of the time. The only broken thing of his is his graveyard effect and doesn't matter many times. The Witches and Birch are the most broken cards of the deck it is just that you don't know how to play with them.

[@Raphael4722]

​@@Oloistogamersloungeeistepisogl Banlist decisions should be made based on how the pros are playing, not based on how noobs play lol. If you are good, you should be able to beat a Snake-Eyes noob with a rogue deck. Without Flamberge, the combos would be a lot weaker and it would not be the best deck anymore.

[@RogueHero]

I had fun playing Yubel at Indy and even made day 2 almost topping. Like josh said winning in this format you have to always win the dice roll and have a ton of hand traps. Josh you should test Yubel , its really fun and its end board rivals the snake eye end board plus there's multiple ways to reach that board.

[@ZeroenHawk]

You have any deck profiles or videos bro ??

[@RogueHero]

@@ZeroenHawk yea i do , come check em out. I would post links but i don't want to disrespect joshes channels with shameless plugs.

[@galaxyvulture6649]

I swear to god I gotta start watching videos on their lines bc I brushed it aside too much. They got strong boards.

[@HapsterHap]

I think a thing that a lot of people missed was that Snake Eye got new support in the new set, with Snake Eye Diabellstar being a crazy extender going first that insulates you from board breakers, and a removal tool when going second.

[@chewdoom8415]

Doesn't really mean anything. The card is not hard to pull. While it does provide a boost, it is not necessary. Konami already made their money off SE through AGOV and Phantom nightmare.

[@HapsterHap]

@@chewdoom8415 Sorry, not talking in terms of if the deck needs a hit, but rather, people saw the deck dropping off and failed to consider it actually got stronger post banlist because of that card.

[@chewdoom8415]

@@HapsterHap ah my apologies

[@galaxyboy7060]

At the end of the day even if Snake Eye isn't tier 0 in theory I think it's the type of deck that the best players will gravitate toward to leave as little up to variance as possible, and that's the how we ended up here -- the top 8 of YCS Indy was absolutely STACKED in terms of some of the names up there and it would make sense that those players would've wanted to play Snake Eyes.

[@hankmccoy6742]

Konami makes ineffective ban lists. They limited Kashtira riseheart to one...Kash goes on to win nationals. The limit ash to two....Snake eyes is still winning all the ycs events with 80% representation.

[@chewdoom8415]

Make sure you have your information straight. Ash got semi limited in the ocg where Voiceless voice won their ycs. Here snake eyes was not hit directly.

[@verbalengine95]

If they hit Snake-Eyes and bring back Linkuriboh I'll crop a picture of Linkuriboh onto a picture of Dominik Mysterio after his 1 day in prison

[@artificerprime4154]

The sad thing is that Snake-Eye by itself (meaning without any of the Extra Deck stuff) is actually a very interesting deck gameplay-wise. But because it has no restrictions whatsoever, it just ended up being generic Link spam deck no. 357.

[@DaShikuXI]

Things are never going to change though when it comes to ban lists, because it's all about money. No reason to hit Snake-Eye until the next money maker is lined up to take over. Considering Fiendsmith is buffing Snake-Eye soon, it's going to be around for a long time. I also fully expect them to hit other decks as well, just to make Snake-Eye even more dominant.

[@everis2535]

That site need to show the distribution of the whole pool as well. It's probably not interesting for whatever deck is top tier/ tier 0, but it would be nice to know if hundreds of tenpai players showed up and then didn't make top cut, vs if only 2-3 showed up.

[@FelipeVerdugodaSilva]

I am an old YGO player, started in 2002. I felt sad when YGO started getting tier 0 decks after tier 0 decks every set, and a lot of yugioh youtubers started coping saying it wasn't bad. I jumped the boat way back when the FUCKING Dragon Rulers started. It was extremely miserable time to anyone not playing DR, ask to those who were around. And Konami never learns, it happened many times again, and it will continue to happen.

[@Cybertech134]

Same situation, though I notice card design starting to become an issue with Dino Rabbit.

[@FelipeVerdugodaSilva]

@@Cybertech134 And the game went through the shitter completely when basically anything in your monster zone became a link monster. Anything. The game will change, but to adapt itself to more and more absurd, ridiculous, and complete non-interactive mechanics in the future, not for the better. Thankfully older cards and custom formats can solve most of this.

[@RogueHero]

Yugiboomer here , started in 2002 as well and yea dragonruler format as well as pepe and even Tearlaments have been shi* shows. I had plenty of homies quit around D ruler format, i personally think the game was in a happy place during the +1 firefist and hat formats.

[@MrDanno]

I think it’s less of them not knowing what to do, but more so not caring to find an alternative. Tears, Kash, Snake Eye, they were all super oppressive metas (that I saw, at least, more recent player) and they were essentially back to back. High powered decks sell sets, from a business perspective, why not continue to sell what’s been making a lot of money?

[@FelipeVerdugodaSilva]

@@MrDanno Like you said, from a business perspective. They do not care for a healthy state of the game. Konami is the same company who earns millions with Pachinko machines, let's not forget that.

[@time2start812]

TCG players and banlists are always jokes

[@time2start812]

And those youtubers thought last TCG banlist was good are also jokes LUL

[@lucasalarcon3230]

​@@time2start812 they finally start to admit that end boards are kinda irrelevant in the era 15+ not engine and one cards combos the different between a endboard with omnis and one without omnis is like 3% win rate

[@xCorvus7x]

I like how the image sections on the pie chart are arranged not so that the diagram starts at twelve o'clock but so that the picture of Snake-Eye Ash we get is the most complete and depicts it towering over the rest of the meta.

[@EleggGaming]

Tragic! A deck has no real hit on the banlist takes the majority spot in the top cut.

[@Seveinis]

I want the next event to be just straight snake eye mirrors every round

[@deatharcana7998]

Funny, when the format was Unchained, Rescue-Ace and company you guys Pro-Players cried loud enough because was impossible to side for diverse format and bla bla and because of that a fun format was destroyed with the banlist. Now after months of everyone saying that Snake-Eyes was a problem suddenly you guys agree, even tho you defended this format with all you might. Honestly, i respect you pro-players for the effort you put into improve your ability at the game, but when it comes to the game health you guys are oblivious af -_-.

[@besterranx3217]

The side was problem but at least the format was fun. There are nothing wrong blaming that. Also konami could fix this issue by releasing better generic handtrap/board breakers for side decks. Or just change the master rule by allowing more side deck slots.

[@jwong9044]

its as if tier zero formats are bad… again

[@bobby45825]

Tier 0 representation but only tier 1 in terms of power. Full power tears would embarrass snake-eyes at full power.

[@Ragnarok540]

It depends on how fun is the mirror match and if the deck is affordable.

[@jwong9044]

@@bobby45825 i mean that also means another tier zero format is bad . Because at the end of the day. If you want only 1 deck to play against mirrors all day, play chess. Deck diversity is always good for the game

[@jwong9044]

@@Ragnarok540 noone wants to watch the same mirror all day. that is chess, not TCG. deck diversity always better than not

[@bobby45825]

@@jwong9044 Nobody is debating that point. You're making up a strawman. I never said "nonstop mirrors are fun guiz!111!!!!"

[@Hanvri]

I said this when barrone and savage got banned it lowered the power of other decks but barely changed snake-eyes power level.

[@Pantagana9000]

It also killed the chance of other decks that used those cards to beat snake eyes! Win - win for konami

[@Dwerynith]

I mean, among all the 1 card combo decks with 15 hand traps, snake-eyes has : * the best starter count * the best extender count * the best free spot count * the lowest engine requirements * the best 1 & 2 card combos end boards * the best recursion

[@ThePaulodash]

I think lowest engine require is tenpai.

[@GodzillaFreak]

Nah nah scareclaw mogs

[@Salvo_117]

No we don’t “need” a banlist now. We just needed an actual banlist months ago. Would’ve also helped if snake-eyes was never be printed, bought and/or played.

[@bobby45825]

SIR! THINK OF THE POOR CEO! HE NEEDS TO MAKE SALES TO GET MORE YACHTS!

[@Christophersaurus]

You would have had something else in its place brother. The grass is always greener when we don’t know what color it could have been.

[@bobby45825]

@@Christophersaurus That's always true, but would it be so highly over represented like snake-eyes? Most people don't deny the reality that a tier 1 deck will always exist, but does the power gap between it and the next best deck NEED to be so noticeable? This falls on Konami. They're not retarded. They know exactly what they're printing and pushing out. They know what will dominate and be everywhere on camera.

[@METAK188]

It happened before and it will happen again. Kamoney 💰💸🤑

[@KitsuneHimeR]

@@bobby45825 Poor CEP also could've whored himself out at the street corner for more Yacht money. lol.

[@eddysegafan6655]

😴💤 more like snooze-eyes

[@torakandwolf6786]

Only caring about casual, rogue decks and just playing the game in blissful ignorance to the meta is such a blessing. The same reason why duel logs is my fave yugituber. Just does not give a damn about meta and plays whatever jank he feels like.

[@KaiPianoMaster]

At my local ots everybody play Snake eyes Variant or other meta relevant deck

[@n3kuzya]

"meta" is not the problem. A single deck is.

[@Koel_Hellion]

Definitely man, i have fun with my exosisters win or lose and funniest shit is when i win games cause people dont know what the fuck they do lol

[@Koel_Hellion]

​@@KaiPianoMasterouch

[@jamesnesbitt2941]

@@n3kuzyanah since POTE it’s been one tier zero deck after another. If snake eyes gets hit and we end up with yet another tier zero deck meta is the problem.

[@mrharvy100]

Almost like a banlist that notably just hit generic EDs and NOT a single hit toward the problematic archetypes themselves was a terrible idea. Banning Barrone barely impacts SE. They have plenty of alternatives. Banning Barrone ironically hurts the weaker decks that relied on Barrone more which means objectively speaking SE has an even WIDER gap compared to mostly everyone else lol. It’s hilarious how quickly 180 on “TCG had best banlist changes” to “it’s shit!”. Fucking hilarious how people hyped up that banning Barrone or Linkuriboh “would keep SE in check” to defend them still having 3 Wanted, 3 SE Ash, etc.

[@sulfenir2477]

The banlist was great, baronne deserved to go, they just forgot to make relevant hits to SE.

[@nito6133]

Forgot is generous. I was getting back into the game after not playing since toss format and seeing those cards gone I was like yeah that’s a good idea anyway, but where is the appo hit and any snake eye hit? I mean seriously yes generic link 1 is a problem yes, Barron sure, savage yeah I can see it but why wasn’t snake eyes touched at all on top of that?

[@legatusleo5116]

@@sulfenir2477the amount of copium that is in this statement really makes the podcast Josh and Farfa did look even more like it aged like spoiled milk

[@gubigubigubigubi]

People who don't play yu gi oh for their main thing they do pretty much all sold out of snake-eyes. Its just too much money to have sitting in a yu gi oh deck that could suddenly go from 1200 to 0 dollars. Like if you bought into snake-eyes on release the decks already lost around 500 dollars in value and nothing is really even hit and its still the singular best deck by far. Regionals/locals don't have as much snake-eyes. YCS is different because thats where all the super hard core competitive people show up. The decks just too expensive to justify otherwise for most people or they don't like the playstyle.

[@xBRAMBLEBLASTx]

i mean honestly idk how anyone could possibly say anything good about any format in any game if 21 of the top 32 are the same thing

[@Luminousplayer]

The biggest problem with snake eyes is thst they have too many ways to search the same objective

[@11wildy63]

Play Paleozoic at German nats! It has a good Snake-Eye matchup :). I just did only see 1 Snake-Eye at Dutch nationals, while I saw 3 Voiceless and 2 Melodious ones

[@VelvetCrowe734]

Honestly, some people will never change. (No offense) Do you still think after all these years yugioh has on its shoulder , that a ban list will save the game or the meta? We are gonna complain about the next op thing that will get released and then we are back to square one just like always. If we want Konami to change their ways there is only one solution and that is never buy any of their products.

[@wall6587]

This ^ I wish more people realized this.

[@reaper_exd7498]

People will always complain. That being said, snake eyes needs to be banned into the ground. It does the exact same thing all the banned cards i want but with some extra unblockable steps. Omi negates and room for handtraps.

[@wren5413]

You know a format is rough when the most interesting deck in a ycs top cut is an ftk

[@henriquebecker4453]

The madman finally did it. Paulo have been depressed while ago because of bad luck on mach ups on numerous YCS, but he finally did it, he managed to win using the deck variation he likes the most.

[@memegod2872]

Tier 0 for a year, great pacing, very fun and interactive like chess, really great for innovation and sparks interesting conversation about anime or literally anything else but yugioh, also nice of top players piloting tier 0 decks to really keep things exciting

[@ThisGuyTV]

Remember dragon rulers??? They only had 1 season, were just as prominent as snake eyes and got an emergency ban. Snakes have been around for 2 seasons now and still not banned WTF KOMONEY

[@andrejv.2834]

The dragon rulers were meta for like 1.5 years

[@ThisGuyTV]

@@andrejv.2834 ahh I only remember it being popular for like 6 months or so

[@jtalkalot19]

It’s funny looking at the ycs vs nationals top cuts. I thought ycs and nationals would be more similar to each other because of the type of competition you’d expect to see. But nationals been looking more like regionals. Anyone have an explanation on why?

[@shmatet]

The only way I can see snake eyes not being hit any more is if they make every other new deck just as powerful and actually affordable

[@stubbornpotatogaming6220]

That is why we need consistency hits for the next banlist

[@nightknight498]

tbh, playing against Snake-Eye would be so much better if handtraps negates didn't exist. Usually you don't lose to the Snake-Eye board, you lose to Ash, Imperm, Veiler they hold after going full combo, and that's my biggest problem this format. Your opening hand is either full combo with an extender and 3 nonengine, or you lose. And decks that can't afford to play a ratio like that need to rely on cards like Shifter, D Barrier and other Floodgates to even have a chance to survive a turn. Having to commit to plays into unknown interruption without any way to remove them is just stupid, especially if 50% of those read "negate". I'd be fully in favor of kicking out Ash, Belle, Imperm, Veiler and Mourner. Keep negation handtraps to archetypes, like Mercourier or Rikka Princess, so at least they're telegraphed, and make the other, generic hand interactions actually be interactions rather than just more negates but also turn 0.

[@nomoregiorgio731]

we're stuck here for another 3-4 months

[@reisen9584]

listen guys. I just realize. Unlike tear 0. This is the kind of deck that really really strong but with literally just 1 hit, the deck become dead dead deck. Either flamberge or poplar make the deck unplayable. And this is how konami makes money the most. Where for example pote format, (including bird), the deck can function really well with the ban of their core cards

[@Concobhar]

Vibing to this Donkey Kong music

[@gabrielcarvalho-pr5bs]

Paulo is still the GOAT tho. FALA GALERA 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷

[@alessandrobotti8981]

BRAZIL🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@Mpt9000]

"The formats fine" looking at an over 60% dominated archetype steamroll everything

[@andrewlikesmetal1095]

Man as a kash player my deck got a ton of hits (in masterduel at least) immediately. Crazy how this deck that is more powerful is still in massive need of major hits on flamberge and poplar

[@雷鳗鱼]

as i said tcg banlist is more of a joke than semi SP, tcg not even semi both ash and wanted, toning down 1-5% is still doing something seem like tenpai is only strong when c is in the game, that force opponent to "stop comboing" so they could otk comfortably while plying HT game SE is 600-700USD for TCG? for the cost of no maxx c? my low rarities ocg SE fiendsmith is under 300USD, not counting fiendsmith, pure SE is only around 240USD+

[@3Mysterion]

It's so sad that Yugioh has degenerated into a complicated solitaire game where you prevent your opponent from playing the game instead of actually playing against each other. It has no longer to do anything with an interactive card game. Instead, it turned into a combo based meta where each action is answered with a hand trap. This game has nothing to do with fun anymore players got toxic towards each other, the game lost its origin and it seems like Yugioh forgot why it had become so popular.

[@Helios_TCG]

So, which runick pile are u going to use to top nats? ^^

[@Luminousplayer]

There wont be a banlist for snake eyes until we get a tin that reprints snake eye lol

[@Vrory77]

Its a fucking 1 card combo. It doesn't matter how you wanna hit the deck if you don't run HTs to interrupt early on even if they are all at 1 it will be still a 1 card combo. And that is the main issue this modern yugioh has.

[@Kolobochok95]

It's a problem for sure. Snakeyes needs some bans like Poplar, the boss monster or the sinful spoils spells.

[@Lunathicc5]

Snake eye championship

[@Linkingx2]

I mean the last banlist is just iffy... you can like or dislike the baronne savage hits but lets not forget the exchange of floodgates - which so far seem fine, personally have not seen that many protos colossus stuff now months afterwards. But again as said, the hits did nothing to SE they simply summon link monsters now - and the community with their bright minds are now calling for these to be banned... Instead of looking at the 4 main SE cards which need their legs broken and milled IRL - btw. I think the Diabelstar cards arent the key problem, same with Bonfire - if a card """just searches""" the one card starter its not the issue, its the one card combo that needs like 4 - 5 main deck cards.... So with the UR Ash we wont see him banned, and the issue is the deck dies with a Ban of Poplar or Flamberge so idk what to do - as I dont like the idea of killing decks (unless its stun - fk Kash) The new cards also just help SE instead of being "new decks" on their own...

[@zayworld49]

I remember when everyone used to say Crossout was mid, this top cut is insane.

[@breaky92]

calling it now, wether they hit snake-eyes or not, with the yubel fusion and fiendsmith demonlink is gonna be just as strong and even worse to play against.

[@andrewpaller4050]

What might a temporary Princess ban do? Then in a couple seasons they switch her with flamberg or something more specific to the engine...

[@Sternenherz127]

Almost like Konami doesn't playtest their Products in beforehand. Just as WOTC those delusional Hypocrites.

[@iewad8761]

It as if NA is playing on a different banlist than EU

[@UmDevoto]

Because isolde was such a goddamn problem

[@aaronjustingarciacatarroja594]

Ban poplar or flamberge would be great.

[@frankunodostres473]

*laughs in ash ots umr and mega tin reprints* You're in for a long ride boys😂

[@christianflora2316]

Wouldn't put too much stake in that argument when Tear got massacred on the list after Reino got an ulti. Just means they won't ban Ash

[@frankunodostres473]

@@christianflora2316 which is good because: 1. Ash is cheap. Them going after a more expensive card would be nice. 2. Consistency hits suck. Ash is a starter, not the problem

[@francescolofaro8258]

@@frankunodostres473 actually, in this case ash is a problem, but it should go to 0 to actually matter.

[@frankunodostres473]

@@francescolofaro8258 it's just a starter... if any card deserves to be banned it's populus. That card does too much at once

[@d.e.g.e.3061]

​@@frankunodostres473Ash has a 2nd effect that matters a lot, it isn't just a consistency hit.

[@kirishatsu222]

So basically YuGiOh is Snake Eye now. Other cards and archetype are insignificant.

[@traigongames]

I think a lot of it is people for Tenpai don't like the idea of the winning condition being going second

[@roguewarrior8187]

how on earth can you use golden lord every turn?

[@crack.d]

Melodious tenpai for German nats 👀 idk if it’s possible I was also thinking of trying a melodious bystial lightsworn deck 👀

[@barryhill2836]

If they're not going to add more snake eyes sinful cards to the banlist at the VERY LEAST remove some other stuff from the banlist to let other archetypes compete. Bring back some tearlaments or sprite even.

[@RoBert-gj9pl]

Yessss my man free kitkallos ❤❤❤

[@barryhill2836]

@@RoBert-gj9pl it's about time to release that poor girl!

[@chewdoom8415]

Nah. There are always people who say stuff like this and it is rooted, understandably, in frustration and declining patience. The stuff will get hit so there is no point in bringing back cards that will just need to get put back on the list once the current best deck is severely weakened to the point where it is just rogue

[@barryhill2836]

@@chewdoom8415 but they have taken stuff off the list recently that have been on for quite a while and it's literally done nothing for the meta. I doubt they'd hit snake eyes so much it'll be irrelevant the engine is just way too much gas.

[@andrejv.2834]

​@@barryhill2836protos has tops (in snake eye as well), so does colossus, striker has them as an engine and two as a pure deck, and orcust was doing really well with just 1 harp before snake eye and they're still topping now When snake eye is gone a lot of these unhits could be huge unless people just forget about the decks

[@thetronix6548]

Hi Josh, i would like to know what deckbox do you use and whats the color of the deckbox.

[@CrimsonDemon311]

Starting from tommorow we will see a logo of fire king beside snake eye ash lol

[@aexionmusic]

All copy pasta deck with just different hand traps 💀

[@TeamOlympusTCG]

this is the handtrap format

[@erichalbert415]

Banned „ original sinful spoils -snake -eye Limited „ snake- eyes poplar"

[@ZeratoDuong]

Do you think konami’s intention with Snake-Eyes is to unite TCG, OCG and Master Duel to the same format? This way MD players can transist more easily from MD into either TCG and OCG because they are equipped with knowledge about Snake-Eyes. One major problem of the game was MD player can hardly do that, and this is one way for them to solve that issue maybe?

[@theholy1191]

If that was the intention then they failed miserably.

[@wall6587]

Konami's design philosophy is flawed at its core. Its always the same thing, what will happen next is: Konami will hit heavily the snake eyes cards. Next, people will be like "Finally! Now the game will be good again, thank you konami.". Format will stay nice for some time. Then new big core engine releases in TCG, probably fiendsmith next. It will be overpriced AF cuz komoney. It will warp the format, making it less diverse. People will get upset at next big engine. Cycle repeats.

[@SuprapolyJohnny]

Banning fire block dragon would be the best bet for not killing the engine, but balancing it out.

[@galaxyvulture6649]

Even though snake eyes has a lot of horrible things about it to me the worst thing snake eyes did was make the game boring and less variety. You'll only see the same deck over and over with the same exact lines. We have so many amazing decks out rn, but no one wants to even bother with it since snake eyes does basically everything and even the weak points are positive. Not even that long ago we had a nice format where tons of different decks could shine and now it just feels like people are being priced out for the same boring match. I don't even hate snake eyes that much, but it still is disgusting people have to fork over 1k and then only play one deck.

[@marleyjones870]

I like a format where there's like 3 - 4 decks that are dominant

[@Agent_Eli]

You know how ROTA is at one because otherwise it’d be too powerful? Really makes you think

[@stuckmeister7750]

You can beat snake eyes with voiceless josh if you are looking for something different. It's also not a 1 card combo deck

[@starboyjedi13]

Why doesn't Konami just make ban-lists for the TCG at the same pace as Master Duel? I mean Master Duel gets a ban-list every month whilst the TCG is 2-3 months? I don't get it.😐

[@Amazonessamy]

And still the master duel banlist is terribly bad compared to the TCG banlist.

[@RhexGomez]

Probably because people spend money to get the cardboard cards. On MD, you can just craft them.

[@starboyjedi13]

@@Amazonessamy true but what I like about Master Duel ban-lists is that they tend to hit powerful decks with much more frequency as compared to the TCG. The recent Snake-Eyes hit are a good example of that. And I admit that generic boss monsters are still a major problem in Master Duel but that's a topic for another day.

[@starboyjedi13]

@@RhexGomez that's a valid point actually 👀

[@RandomGuyCDN]

Value of MD cards dont change. Value of real cardboard does when banlists hit.

[@LunaticKD1991]

Relax. You'll get one eventually. Only for Konami to release the next broken cards that will dominate these tournaments. Konami will milk you cattle dry for as long as you continue to buy the product and keep this endless cycle going. 🤷

[@RuggedRing]

Linkuriboh did nothing wrong

[@mrharvy100]

Most waste of a ban slot ever and seeing the people defend it in the TCG banlist reveal video is even more disgusting. That hit could have went to something actually useful to regulate SE

[@starjadiancloneinvestigato1772]

The worst thing about the linkuriboh ban is that it was actually a good hit to the deck. This only speaks to how strong snake eyes was before the banlist

[@The_Story_Of_Us]

Man it's gonna be fun when Konami doesn't hit this archetype at all, they just delete all extra deck monsters in the game so they have nothing but engine and zero end board. No win for Snek, no win for anyone. But seriously, Ash to 1 and WANTED to 1. That should solve the problem without making the deck unplayable.

After a "good" banlist, the fomat is worse. WHY?

[@mobius324]

What? a labrynth in top 8? Big welcome to 0 now

[@rizreighnand6471]

wait until fiendsmith gets released in tcg. the same SE board but with extra caesar on board trollDespair

[@CrystronHalq]

That big poplar adds so much depth to the strategy, its not even funny.

[@vm141789]

So the incredibly stupid and bad ban list turned out to be an incredibly stupid and bad ban list. Who knew?