We Need To Talk About Ashley. Evolution of a Snake - Ep. 28 🐍

[@itsiraa]

I NEED MADELINE’s SOCIALS PLEASE PIN THEM SHE IS SO FUNNY

[@theswiftologist]

TikTok: @madelizardqueen Twitter: @hoaxlakes She doesn't let the masses in on her personal IG, but she's often on the pod IG: @evolutionofasnake ✨

[@kerrisouth]

​@@theswiftologistHi. How can I find Madeline's deep dive into The Alchemy? I have found the idea of that song being about Travis problematic from the beginning. Thanks!

[@CatNagTaylorsVersion]

@@kerrisouthon the lizard review, its on the free version on Spotify I think

[@uravergeswiftie3408]

a whole video episode for us unpaying pigs? we eating good to night 😭

[@elise9553]

😂😂😂

[@ajshaniq]

Unpaying pigs i know thats right 😭

[@SummersFrost]

REAL

[@twisted9557]

REAL LMAO😭

[@meghansullivan6812]

​@@SummersFrostwhat's ur fav melodrama song???

[@BobbyK19]

This specific recording of the Ashleygate story will be considered a landmark piece of journalism that defined the 21st century

[@finntheultimatediva]

for all of us who are shaking the cup, and can’t afford the patreon, this is the greatest feast known to woman😘

[@elephant1871]

yessss

[@LukeAlexander]

"this is not for tik tok, this is for the therapy couch" I'm dead 💀

[@annaaolivia]

u being a fan of this podcast is life

[@ashleytisdalesbrokenheel]

NO FRICKIN' WAY good to see you luke! :D

[@Impond]

We Love Luke

[@jumanaht8559]

fuckin love this crossover

[@sierracrum6040]

Omg Luke I love him too

[@jon.callaghan4165]

take a shot every time madeline says "i am the bone collector"

[@MissteriousMisstress]

Or she's a wig. Hahaa

[@jon.callaghan4165]

@Missterious Misstress oh god, well all be so drunk at the end haha

[@MissteriousMisstress]

@jon.callaghan speak for yourself- I'd be dead. Rip me hahah

[@gabymerman9005]

Imagine taking a shot everytime she pushes her hair on the side. ICU.

[@meghansullivan6812]

Hahahah she literally said it as I read this

[@martynawozniak3597]

This hits different after seeing Ashley impersonating Taylor and being "escorted" by bodyguards...

[@missmegicana]

LMAOO! i just came to rewatch this episode after that! i hope they talk about it at a later time bc i need Madeline to roast her ass for that

[@bellastrange7477]

I am living for Madeline going off💀💀💀 i usually only have the audio of these episodes, but the visuals really give the punchiness this episode needed. We are all collectively gobsmacked.

[@mallorcamele7471]

This video is literally the best thing that has ever happened to me in my life. THANK YOU LEGENDS FOR THE FOOD!!!

[@LifeAsACarrie]

I did not expect to be fed so well on a random Tuesday. Thank you Zach & the bone collector 🙌🏻

[@lau2955]

I gotta say: I started listening to Taylor when Tim McGraw came out (I was a teenager) and I've never seen her live. I have literally gone to 2 live shows IN MY LIFE: Elton John and Ed Sheeran (Ed's in 2019 because I could finally pay it myself!! 😍). Same with physical CDs, I don't have CDs (only Queen and inherited from my dad! / Now I have TVs heeeheee). So yes I believe you can be a swiftie without tons of merch or live shows on your back. I never asked my parents for money when I was a student. Thank the world for youtube!!! 😮‍💨

[@CVB6]

Same, however I heard her for the first time with love story, and my first album I could own is Red TV following it with Midnights. Never seen anyone live, but love their tour videos. My parents never heave us allowance so I never had money, and since I a crippling with student debt, I can rarely afford her merchandise and other expensive things. So you can be a fan with out those things.

[@mollypocrass4562]

Yeah I got to this point in the video, and the same thing with me. I couldn’t afford to go to a concert when I was younger, and wasn’t really active on Twitter until the pandemic. Nevertheless, I also have been a fan since Love Story.

[@realone7488]

There’s a lot of classism in this fandom

[@robynjeema]

Same, just reached that point in the video. I have zero evidence, never went to a show, never owned merch. Know every word to every song and way too much about Taylor's life but if you look at my social media there won't be anything. I find that super weird? I don't know anyone who owns Taylor merch, or any merch at all cause we broke out here And we didn't have camera phones back then!!

[@heatherj3719]

As much as I don't believe that Ashley is a long time swiftie, to say that you're not a real swiftie if you didn't go to a show before the Taynaissance is destructively classist. I am 29 also, the first show I went to was the Reputation tour and that was because I was lucky enough to get on the guest list, prior to that I either couldn't afford due to being a poor student (1989 World Tour) and prior to that my parents wouldn't allow me to go to shows as they were expensive. The same to say if you don't have old merch you're not a fan, I only started collecting merch when I made my own money. I agree on the point that yes, I have old facebook hearts of I'd Lie lyrics, or Superman lyrics but to discount someone in my position as a swiftie is inherently classist. Please don't spin that narrative! :( All Love x

[@Jonesatk]

Yeah I grew up poor then became a teen mom, so I’ve never been able to go to a Taylor concert or any other of my favorite artists. Just this year I bought my first piece of merch bc I’m finally in a position to do that. Other than that I do agree Ashley is just using this for money and or attention

[@vulcandar]

but also in generally saying "you're not a swiftie if you are ___" is just classist by itself lmao. there really isn't no such thing as a fake fan or not, there may be long time swifties vs new swifties but again! the difference doesn't really equal to which is better. it's just fandom, have fun!

[@Declan239]

You’re being so pretentious omg! They said that even if she hadn’t been to a tour she would’ve at least had something to show that she was a swiftie at that time. The tour thing was just an example.

[@samanthasymonds7520]

visuals would have pushed this video to elite levels. like when you were talking about her social media stuff

[@SALMA-pv7xo]

I thought the same!!!

[@brookelouise1561]

TWO HOURS!? FOR US!? THANK YOUUUU

[@LukeAlexander]

omg love seeing a video version of the podcast!

[@michealrhodes974]

omg hi king

[@isaacroot5459]

biiitch what are you doing here?

[@KodiSwandaOfficial]

I really think that Taylor herself or Taylor's team had something to do with Ashley not being able to go to the Grammys

[@allisonkrug9759]

I think so too

[@crystalkadletc1944]

I don’t know much about Ashley…well now I do, but 100% that was my first thought

[@sophiamandell9550]

“and also Taylor’s never worn a wig” “no” *laughter* one of my favorite parts of this whole video 😂

[@juliaf8490]

She came up on my fyp a while back, when the whole “it’s just Ashley” thing started, and even then I immediately got bad vibes from her. It’s so obvious that she’s deliberately trying to act like Taylor, to an extent that is beyond concerning. And like you guys said, the problem is not “looking” like Taylor and getting money from it, but continually lie over and over again about everything all the damn time and pretend you’re this selfless, innocent person who doesn’t care about money. Also, the way she keeps saying she doesn’t personally think she looks like Taylor, but it’s everyone else that puts her into this narrative…..like???? What?? Are you being serious?? LOL It’s so insane for her to say that while doing everything in her power to LOOK. LIKE. TAYLOR. I just can’t with her.

[@FloN.]

Why does Madeline have so many pictures of Ashley on her wall? 🤔

[@absv444]

Madeline really carried this episode she’s so fucking funny hahaha

[@tiny306]

I had to prepare myself to watch this knowing that y'all are going to be repeatedly saying my name in a negative way and thus having to reassure my brain that you are in fact not talking about me

[@awoosh13]

Same tho 😂

[@tiny306]

@@awoosh13 It's a hard time to be named Ashley 😪 I salute you comrade

[@alisontishman6724]

I think we need an updated version of this!

[@quinroseman7233]

i have an even crazier theory, she’s not even a swiftie now. she views this as a job, she’s just pretending to like taylor cause it gives her clout. i think she saw folklore as a crutch for this new EMPIRE she would build. and honestly it’s kind of impressive

[@malucicala3457]

I think this is by far my favourite podcast episode in existence. Thank you.

[@elise9553]

I am so confused by this ashley situation, but I'm glad yall talk abt it so I can understand

[@causeimnachoprincess]

the fact that her last name is leechin says it all

[@soinotherwords]

🤧🤧 hahaha damn

[@bboong4453]

THIS is exactly what I needed in my life! Thank you so much!

[@dianaandherbooks]

So much content for a random tuesday morning. You guys make my day

[@sylvee2]

This girl has mental issues, she has a personality disorder, or body dysmorphia, shes obssessed with her so scary. Also madeline is so entertaining loved all her inputs its like having real girl talk time. Her eye makesup is also so cute ✨️

[@Cordelish]

Thank you so much for this very generous gift. I remember when I came across her on TikTok. I followed her until it became "weird" and started blocking her. But this deep dive into the delulu behavior got me through the end of my work day.

[@sarahstevens142]

Haha this is fantastic!! Please do more video Evolution of a Snake episodes - Madeline is hilarious! 😂

[@sarahstevens142]

P.S. - also bring back Solo in Tokyo! ❤️

[@lea2767]

I love you guys for this lol the facial expressions make this podcast even funnier

[@gleeloover]

this video quite literally was like the sister i never had while i was doing a ton of work today 😭😭😭 thank you so much ❤

[@blackberryjammy]

I think Lorelai from Gilmore girls looks more like Taylor swift (brunette version) than Ashley does…

[@AP-ek6by]

I have always thought Lorelai could be Taylor's daugther 😅

[@skyhoward2050]

I've been a fan since Teardrops on my Guitar came on when I first heard it playing in the cat room while working at an animal shelter at 20 years old..I'm 36 now and have never had anyone to go to shows with so have only seen her 1 time during the fearless tour (tried to get into 1989, even went to the stadium and listened from outside but couldn't afford even face tickets..) til eras tour when I went twice in Vegas. I'm not a teenage girl and never was the entirety of my time as a fan so never felt the need to order merch that is very much catered to teenagers.. I've always just bought the albums at record stores and have all of the cds and vinyls from over the years but that doesn't stop me from being a real fan. It's not a contest to be a fan of any musician..I know it feels like that when you're younger but none of that shit matters as a grown ass adult. I own a business and have a mortgage and don't have time to be on tumblr or tiktok or whatever tf 😂

[@robynjeema]

Literally same, pretty grossed out by that point in the video. Like buddy we didn't even have camera phones when I was an og swiftie, and my parents were definitely not giving me money for merch and concerts. Now I have a mortgage and still can't afford a concert. What is this weird rich kid bs?

[@mollymccracken2740]

Ashley has been around in random tiktok drama that fascinates me but I can never figure it out and I never want to long enough to get to the bottom of it- so thank you for this breakdown! Also if there’s anyone that would want to chapter this- my ADHD would love that lol

[@taylorcollins8254]

My ADD brain is here & wishing that someone had done this when you asked them to a year ago 😂

[@finntheultimatediva]

Bone Collector is SERVING like THAT EYESHADOWWW?????? GAGGED

[@jacobcordeiro1040]

I’m honestly so excited for the future of this pod and channel

[@rocket.popsicle]

I am so happy this is in video form lmao I've been binging your channel and podcast back and forth after recently discovering you and this is my next podcast episode. Your reactions are incredible and I'm glad I get to watch this one specifically. Ashley has always given me really intense sus energy and I pray she is never let anywhere near Taylor honestly 😬

[@kendragramley6243]

Oh my god, I literally only knew Ashley as a TikTok weirdo who may or may not have been a Trumper. I was off TikTok for several months until Eras started (I was too obsessed, I had to stop) and wasn’t even really on stan twitter, so I missed the whole Grammy thing! I’m new to the swiftologist and evolution of a snake so I’m just now getting to this, but I do enjoy a lot of the content. Thanks for sharing your research!

[@harneetk8412]

Omggg ... Thank you a million times... Listening to the podcast ultimately makes my day 10 times better 🥺🥺🥺

[@AP-ek6by]

Been following your podcast for a few months now. You guys are my fave podcast ever! So glad to finally see you guys visually 😅👍❤ .

[@andante4904]

Thank you Madeline for the bones exhibition, it was amazing. The story of Ashley ruining herself on Hollywood was hilarious. It’s like she didn’t watch Taylor’s 73 questions interview for Vogue. Get a good lawyer people, read your contracts, learn how the industry works!

[@CadenB-i1u]

I return to this episode at least once a month just to hear the bone collector speak her truth

[@TaylahLouiseBudgets]

This video has convinced me that I am a fake fan. Like I have video evidence of me crying at the speak now concert at 13 years old, going to every concert since & have a tay inspired tattoo but still I feel like I must be faking it 😂

[@xotennisxgirlox]

You can be a fan and not have an unhealthy obsession.

[@lalaluvbot]

i absolutely loved this! i have been wanting to listen to the podcast for a while but unfortunately spotify doesnt offer podcasts in my country, so getting this treat was awesome

[@ingridbrandt7710]

Have you tried just finding the podcast by googling ”Evolution of a Snake?” I am in Sweden and don’t even have Spotify, but have no problem listening free to all the podcast episodes. Give it a try.

[@gracieelakee]

OMG i also remember her saying she wanted a purple dress that was lavender haze vibes because purple compliments her so well like taylor because they look so much alike

[@thatonecarrot7360]

my fav snakes spilling the tea yet again i am BUCKLED

[@RenzohsClub]

so THIS is what the podcasts look like visually

[@blackice27]

Coming back to this video 😂 it's soooo good!

[@jessicamaguire8905]

This specific intro always gave me harry potter vibes & I love it

[@michealrhodes974]

pls release more of these on youtube king

[@abigailmccartnie]

To be fair- early concert attendance/merch isn’t the best thing to judge on but she likely wasn’t a full on “swiftie” if she listened in 2006. I listened to a few Taylor swift songs starting in 2006 (I turned 8yrs in nov that year) with our song I think? but I stayed mainly a casual radio listener until I started using KZbin/iTunes and really got to commit when I started using Spotify in like 2014? Idk just briefly before she removed everything from Spotify. But anyways I was poor and my mom doesn’t like Taylor so I’ve never been to a show or anything yet. She even came to my small hometown in 2007 when she played at trails west and I was one of the only girls that didn’t get to go bc my mom didn’t wanna go 😂

[@theswiftologist]

Well this video wasn’t about whether or not Abigail is a swiftie now is it

[@SophiaMalcom]

“And Taylor’s never worn a wig” Madeline’s pause “no , but… HAGSTDJDKDHSGAG” 😂😂 love

[@gracieelakee]

i was working at the dress store she bought her grammy dress at (ypsilon dresses) in salt lake city when she was there. we were all so confused why she was invited to the grammys… i don’t think anyone believed her or cared lmfao

[@devonbron13]

"babe, you have a mortgage, you shouldn't be screaming about Taylor Swift" My mortgage looking at me: 👀👀👀👀

[@edenstar196]

2 hours of evolution of a snake? god bless

[@allijohnson1228]

Ashely = George Santos in a Taylor Swift Cosplay

[@1-800-LOVE-U]

stop you’re so right 💀

[@mirandabee2323]

His second drag persona!

[@closetty]

This is my comfort video 🙊 Madelizard is a riveting storyteller

[@laurenjennings4104]

I'm a 38 yr old og swiftie...I heard taylor on Philadelphias country radio 92.5 xtu before debut was even was released. I said to my ex fiance at the time this 16 yr old girl is going to be huge. Been a swiftie since 2006 . I watched this girls tik toks and couldn't help but just laugh at her cause she is clearly not an og swiftie and she is delusional. I was actually embarrassed for her. She does not look like Taylor. Its really weird she is trying so hard to look like her. She needs therapy or to get her own life either one. Oh and you guys said she is younger then taylor and she looks older then her for sure...Zach I have the pictures of the speak now tour too lol this woman is not a swiftie

[@imjakedeason]

this video is a treat! thank you, it was awesome!

[@lydiaruby89]

Thank you for blessing us this morning.

[@tinatoparadise]

When she said "I'm Indiana Jones" I wheezed 😂😂😂

[@allymm62]

In the times I have scrolled on tik tok and saw her on my fyp, I always got weird, weird vibes!! Thank y’all for doing this episode, I love the podcast 🙏 thank you both for this!

[@reginanewport-so3du]

Where does she go next? Going to Disneyworld with bodyguards to literally pretend to be Taylor to see how people react 🤦🏼‍♀️ I just can't.

[@BexBun]

I’m really enjoying the “persona non grata” reference now that ttpd is out

[@quinroseman7233]

her saying she makes 5-10k a WEEK as a travel nurse is the most unrealistic lie she’s ever told

[@skyhoward2050]

That's HILARIOUS. are they paid well? Yep. Are they making hundreds of thousands a year? Nah.

[@burnt.norton]

@@skyhoward2050 i know a few in california who make almost $200k a year and i’m so ENVIOUS. but obviously they get hella taxed lmao

[@humanhoyer1896]

Okay during Covid tho, those were the contract prices. Lots of nurses were making that. They definitely aren’t anymore unless you’re going to sketchy picus or crossing picket lines. But those were not unrealistic numbers during Covid for a trauma unit.

[@quinroseman7233]

i just know taylor swift DOES NOT LIKE HER

[@AndromanKaya]

55:20 will haunt my nightmares, i was dying at that part!!!

[@icecreamisyummy8490]

best two hours ive watched in a long time

[@breebee83]

"Single white femailing" nearly took me out! 😂

[@armsamelia]

OMG MADELINE IS SO PRETTY ALSO TY FOR DOING THIS YALL ARE ICONS

[@donardodavinci6126]

Could you please drop the link to Ashley's skit and headshots? I'm searching my ass off, but I only see TikToks made by her

[@LaurenLaass]

Search “ashley leechin actor” on Google.

[@evflyleaf]

Ashley was at my show (Nash night 2) and my friend took a picture with her 😂 I didn’t even know she was there

[@alyssavance9838]

"Yale daily news" tell me you watched Gilmore girls without telling me

[@JodiHansen-l2r]

Live reactions, 1) We Are Never Getting Back Together 1989 rock 2) Out of the Woods 1989 3) Haunted video from the Psycho house 4)Rep Ready for it, Don’t Blame Me, I Did Something Bad 5) Lover in Paris 6) Drops of Jupiter cover on Speak Now 7) Would love if you do Eras your on Disney 8) Best full tours 1988, Rep 9) Best videos Look what you made me do, Bejeweled, Ready for it, Mr Perfectly Fine, Delicate m. Just some ideas!!! These are so fun to watch. Thank you!!!

[@hellogoditsmesara3569]

I had Ashley blocked so long I forgot what she looked like and she’s literally like looking at if uncanny valley was a person

[@RLC-tr1wn]

OMG !!! this is awesome,how lovely having a long video to chill now while im sick with covid again (yes again) so thank you handsome Z and gorgeous M

[@yoyocanary]

I'm so glad I'm here for this

[@Brianda6793]

As a mom, all this hits me different because I think about her kids. There’s no way this kind of behavior doesn’t extrapolate to other areas of her life. 😢

[@LaurenThompson702]

Lmao "the archeological dig,"! I'm dead. 🤣

[@maia_gaia]

Bro the description of her talking about Andrea made my skin crawl what what what 🤢

[@vankr]

This was so much fun, I love crazy shit like this

[@Citykitty23]

Not Ashley trying to vontrap her way into Hollywood 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@CasuallyCruelCrushesClub]

Totally unrelated but while I was watching this and you guys said "Ariana Grande" one of my friends texted me "Yes, and?" out of the blue. What is this sorcery?????!!!! 😭✋

[@DirtbikeGirlfriend]

Today I learned that Madeline and I share a bday!! Happy late b'day to my bday twin 🎉

[@blackice27]

The wig is now walking around malls with fake security and getting paid to be a Taylor Swift impersonator....

[@Porcelynnn]

OMGGGGG I FOLLOWED MADELINE ON TUMBLRRR GOOD OLD DAYS

[@andante4904]

I didn’t know anything about this Ashley person cause I never cared about the people the fandom hates at the moment, but the comment about Andrea is legit horrifying. There’s horror stories based on that para social relationships.

[@allisonkrug9759]

Thank you for making a video about this. I saw a bunch of videos about this girl and I wasn’t understanding what was going on. I love your videos by the ways! 😊

[@ngantran3843]

oh my god TEA i have been waiting for this

[@ReeCrowsFray]

This. Is. CREEEEEEPY😮 When I was in my mid 20s and twilight was real big 😑 my face still baby, my hard was dark, and my RBF has never left 😂😅 and I would CHRONICALLY get told/asked if I knew who I looked like. Mind you, I’m older than her, but it was mostly Kristen Stewart and then Kiera Knightly (which only happened when I smiled/laughed 😂😂which was rare) but I went to great lengths to change EVERYTHING about my look. I didn’t want to be compared to a celebrity, especially one that no one liked and was younger than me! That’s weird! This copycat garb is so strange to me. I don’t understand the obsession of trying to BE Taylor, but like you all said, I can understand being a legit lookalike for parties, events, on the streets of New York etc. but to go THIS FAR AS A MOTHER?! WTH?! Once I became a mom, almost EVERY aspect of my life before, just doesn’t seem real. I don’t like what I used to, I don’t follow things like before, everything from my thoughts to my looks changed drastically. Everything has become about my kid. Everything. I can’t imagine the very weird traits her children are going to have because of this personality trait that is clearly not normal. 🧐🧐🧐

[@mateuszkalmuk75]

I wanted to find this video of her talking to cats but instead i found out that somebody made a Wikipedia page for the wig.

[@elisazouza]

Idk if I was Taylor Swift I would get freaked out by a fan making lots of money on her image

[@yelruhasil]

Is today Xmas? This is amazing 😂

[@ItsTFAS]

I'm living for the level of sassyness

[@mgabss]

I avoid American swiftie accounts like the plague, so I didn't know about this girl. I'm literally shook to my core, as a new swiftie even I can tell she is not an OG, which says a lot lol. This podcast is truly the best introduction to the TS lore, thank you for this FREE feast🐍🍰

[@alyssseil]

It was giving Perfect Blue

[@Emislay]

For me she feels very uncanny valley. She tries so much to behave like Taylor and mimic her that she does not act like a human would.

[@danamaria80]

Trump should latch onto Ashley now. He should tweet I LOVE ASHLEY last name