WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT TATI'S "WELLNESS" JOURNEY

I've been following Tati since she first went viral for her WTF series. She was the inspiration for my channel in the first place! And since spending the entire year of 2019 exploring clean beauty, I wanted to touch on where we've been since then, and why I find some of the claims Tati's been making lately...problematic.
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[@jyotikaurlove]

oh my God, I watched that video and didn't even realize how problematic it was. She just had this very Godly type of style of talking and I felt a little bad as I watched - "wow she's doing so great and look at my life, I am eating cheetos and don't have the discipline to eat healthy and be clean." Thank you for putting this video out for people like me who could get influenced and start to feel bad about themselves - which is not cool. I wasn't necessarily going to take her advice as an expert and completely do what she's saying but the video had this sort of underlying telepathic message that 'she's got it all together and I am a mess..'

[@melanielyon8026]

Life is short! Eat the Cheetos!

[@melaniemunroe1010]

Yes I felt the same

[@melaniemunroe1010]

@@melanielyon8026 wow I used to be Melanie Lyon. Spelled the same . Fun to see someone with your name!

[@annetteprice]

As someone who cannot eat Cheetos anymore, please enjoy them for me and possibly while you can. I look fondly back on the days of Doritos and Little Debbie’s. 😂

[@melanielyon8026]

@@melaniemunroe1010 wow! i don't think i've ever encountered someone with the same name. so crazy!

[@melissagreenwald5125]

Adding……I have a chronic disease and I started realizing a few years ago how The Wellness Community is all about blame and shame. Please continue this discussion!❤

[@kackie]

♥️♥️♥️

[@SuperSarahbop]

The wellness space has a ton of grifters as well. I’ve gone on my own journey as well and there’s a lot of people adding confusion onto everything.

[@annetteprice]

Tangentially … perhaps the biggest lie we (unknowingly) tell ourselves is that others will be there for us when we’re unwell. I’ve learned it’s actually the exception rather than the rule with most people. Same goes for grieving a loss. Fellow chronic illness sufferer here. ✊

[@QueerBones]

100%

[@QueerBones]

The wellness space is all about amplifying the voices of fit abled body people and ignoring actual health concerns or marginalized people who need it.

[@yelbelbeauty]

Fun fact: I am super allergic to all nuts, including coconuts! So much clean beauty has almond and/or coconut oil and I can’t use it, this trend has been awful for my allergies personally 😢

[@mykesorange]

Same!!!

[@cms4229]

I couldn’t believe that a coconut was a nut until I had to take a restaurant class in college.

[@aileenbell6750]

My son is allergic to coconuts as well and I always have to emphasize he is allergic to coconuts bc they are a treenut.

[@glitterberserker1029]

@@GMW.artist koalas bears aren't bears. Humans are bad at naming things we shouldn't take every name literally.

[@shelbs200]

My gf who was dealing with allergies for YEARS tried to do vegetarian/vegan and is allergic to coconut and strawberries and others. Ended quickly.

[@rachellerockwell3702]

As someone who is disabled and had to go to LOTS of doctors to figure out my diagnosis, I can understand her frustration. I’m glad she’s feeling better and found things that works for her. HOWEVER. Giving advice on diets and telling people they need to try harder while she sits in a walk-in closet almost the size of my apartment, is borderline enraging. Moms doing testing? No. That’s not something I trust. And if she want to educate herself she need to literally educate herself formally, not scroll on the internet.

[@whostolethepenguins9549]

omg hey fellow disabled friend! I also went to lots of doctors and had to basically put my life on hold. Crazy how Tati gets to be privileged enough to turn to quack science and spread that info without every actually mentioning studies or citing who paid for them

[@OpenOurHearts]

Oof the “moms doing testing” line triggered me. It’s not science if it’s not methodologically sound and replicable. It’s just anecdotal observation and confirmation bias.

[@3llemc]

Mom's doing testing? Does that just mean "I cut out red dye or whatever thing in my kids diet and now they're a completely different person!" type thing? Leaving a doctor's office without feeling like you've actually been helped is one of the worst feelings. Sometimes they just don't listen to you AT ALL

[@user-rz9rq7pp2b]

@@3llemc I've left doctor's appointments, gone out to the parking lot, and screamed out my frustrations in the car multiple times. Like, full-throated full-on screaming. I'm sure the people in the office could hear me, but the sense of rage and injustice runs so deep that I can't bring myself to care in the moment

[@susannatuttapanna2010]

I've never seen her tell people to try harder, in fact she's often at pains to tell people it's her journey and they have to do what's best for them. She's also acknowledged her level of privilege at least once that I can recall. Criticise her philosophy of health all you like, but putting words in her mouth isn't helpful.

[@sarahmccord7767]

I think Tati herself is very easily influenced. Even with the large audience she has, it’s always seemed to me that she kind of clings to people or areas where she feels included, but those relationships are seemingly over before they start and after they explode she starts looking for the next person or thing to fill the void. In many ways she seems like that little girl who has a hard time making friends, so at the first sign of friendship she goes overboard and starts referring to someone she just met as her “best friend” and she inadvertently smothers the relationship but is so desperate for a real experience and to be included that she just keeps repeating the cycle.

[@zenmaster9195]

Holy crap! This describes her to a T. You're right.

[@joyousenoful]

I think this was me at one time in my life 😂😂 😅😢

[@Sam-yc7ec]

It’s exactly this. If you are the kind of person who sees things like her video and suddenly start questioning every aspect of your life, that’s a you thing. It is, for lack of a better term your personality. We all know those people, and they’re always ACTIVELY seeking out their next fringe, cult-adjacent interest that’s going to change their life.

[@soapyc7069]

💯

[@sarahmccord7767]

@@joyousenoful I think it’s probably been all of us at some point. 😂 It was for sure me in elementary school. 😫 Most people tend to grow out of this stage though. I feel like Tati has always tried really hard to fit in any and everywhere, but never quite made it “in”. I’ve watched her videos for quite a while and I wish she would recognize and embrace the influence shes already cultivated instead of snubbing what she has now to try and climb to what she thinks is the next rung “above” her. She’s subconsciously void-filling. It makes me kind of sad. She’s a truly gorgeous woman in her 40s whose self confidence is worn like a mask instead of being rooted from within.

[@katlord586]

I have a thyroid disease. I can’t eat gluten and many animal products are actually harmful to me. They act as literal hormone disrupters. Tati’s suggestions would literally cause me physical pain and harm. Many people who share her thoughts on food, would tell me “you have to get all the bad out before you feel better”. I’d end up in a hospital. Instead, I keep up to date on thyroid disease research and prevention. Because I can’t afford clinical trials and studies. I can’t afford Fiji by the case. I can’t afford to be wrong about a diet for a while and not end up hospitalized. Her video made me very sad and upset when I watched it bc young me would have taken it to heart and tried it all. It’s also sad because she doesn’t count her saved marriage, moving away from a toxic environment (LA), and being in a very sunny/warm environment where she can freely go outside to do healthy activities. These drastically reduced her stress, improved her life, and are things that would dramatically improve her health as well.

[@_ck__]

Thank you so much for this. I had the same thoughts listening to her recently… ignorance is NOT bliss, it’s harmful. I agree & hope she’s not coming with any malice but it’s surprising no one has stopped her and questioned her actions/words

[@rosemartin4398]

KZbin is just as toxic as all the other social media now 😓 More content to make sure my teen girls ignore ….. Jesus H ! It’s getting so bad. I love Kackie so real and sweet 😊😊

[@JillRebeccaBeauty]

I really wonder if she’s just deleting the comments that don’t praise her. It’s wild trading through the comments.

[@heidemarie55]

Kackie I could not agree with you more. You hit the nail squarely on the head. I’m a retired mental health therapist and Tati’s video is dangerous on so many levels. I fear for some of the more fragile viewers who look to Tati as a reputable resource/advisor on issues of health, diet, lifestyle. Thank you for addressing this. You are spot on!

[@theprousteffect9717]

@@heidemarie55 I don't know why anyone would think of her as a reputable resource on anything health related, since she's not a health professional. This is why expertise matters, but if we say that nowadays, we're "elitist."

[@SuperSarahbop]

@@rosemartin4398 the most toxic community I came across in my travels on KZbin was the snake diet community. This is prolonged fasting that also includes fasting from drinking water. My dad nearly died because he stopped eating and drinking I’m not getting into details. Doing that causes sepsis though.

[@hithere819-q8j]

AMEN Kackie -- I am a physician and a long-time Tati viewer and you voiced my fears about whats going on with her better than I could!

[@kackie]

Thank you you make me feel sane 😅

[@ChrissyGrace2611]

@@kackie you are sane!

[@ChrissyGrace2611]

I’m so sick of hearing this, “It’s your fault you feel this way or are sick”. So many people are saying this crap constantly and if you disagree, you’re so stupid!

[@ChrissyGrace2611]

She is abusing her social media platform especially for those who are always searching for them”right” thing!

[@tbear8839]

Agree!

[@maryarmstrong2231]

Yes. Ma’m!!!! As a former yoga teacher I have seen colleagues and students fall down the rabbit holes of horse 💩 I have had to back out of wellness spaces. The Conspirituality podcast and MaintenancePhase are both clutch.

[@kackie]

Conspirituality! I need to check that out

[@whostolethepenguins9549]

I second that recommendation! Conspirituality is a great podcast, I really respect the work they put into making the show

[@whostolethepenguins9549]

also if you're interested, Leaving Eden is a great podcast that has some episodes on how all this is rehashed Satanic Panic and antisemitism. The hosts are wonderful

[@sarapearce6511]

Came here to recommend the same podcast! 👍

[@sloanerickman6219]

DUDE. I truly appreciate this so much because I have such strong reactions to this turn that has showed up in her videos for the literal exact reasons you mentioned. Thank you for voicing them!!! People can become mislead by so much of the “wellness” industry and culture in sometimes truly scary ways. Appreciate this immensely.

[@suzihazlove4979]

I'm actually annoyed with this video lolll Seems really hateful to publicly rant about her THIS LONG?? WTF... a brief comment fine, but you are Roasting her. She's on a journey and in a upswing... let her do her thing.

[@TracyD2]

Take deep cleansing breaths.

[@tbear8839]

THANK YOU! ❤ I’m a nurse practitioner and long time Tati viewer. I unsubscribed from her. I just can’t. CANT. I love “wellness to radicalization pipeline” …. It’s so accurate. I spend so much time deconstructing this nonsense with my patients. Again, thank you.

[@maria.jimena1516]

As a pharmacist, I share your gratefulness. Someone's gotta say it, especially a social media influencer! I'm genuinely in awe of how elegantly she educates her viewers.

[@tbear8839]

@@maria.jimena1516 I’m grateful for Kackie and creators like her that give nuanced and educated opinions ☺️❤️ Also…. Love my pharmacist sisters. Here’s to women in healthcare 🥂

[@Hillcountry_Catholic]

Your patients likely don’t appreciate your “help.” It’s not for you to decide their health choices. You are a nurse, you can give suggestions of healthy choices to make, but you can’t say only your suggestions are correct. Sorry but you can’t, and if that’s not ok with you, you might wanna find a different line of work.

[@Hillcountry_Catholic]

@@maria.jimena1516lol it’s wild how some people will assume others are stupid because they make different choices for their health. Y’all really can’t see your narcissism huh?

[@tbear8839]

Ok 🤣🤣🤣

[@jillholod34]

Watching Tati, I feel like I'm being recruited for a cult.

[@ellemred]

So very true ❤️ Also, whenever I hear people that that natural is better, I think, yeah but cyanide and ricin are natural.

[@agresticumbra]

Ricinus communis is the source of castor oil; it as well as derivatives are in so many skin focused products, and it's highly allergenic. I have all sorts of skin responses to it & its derivatives being in products - some are kinda serious, others appear as a texture change - they're avoided at all costs. I asked an allergist if his clinic could test me for a castor plant allergy, and he said they don't test for that. He also said that skin sensitivities are not allergies. I've really gotta check to see if any places test for castor plant allergies.

[@ipetzombies]

As somebody who makes perfume and has accidentally gotten uncut cinnamon oil on my skin, yeah I really hate the assumption of natural = safe. Nature low key wants to kill us, lmao.

[@stereotypea123]

She’s been sliding down this path over the last few years. I’ve heard “I’ve never felt better in my life” so many times in her videos over the years and with stuff she now thinks is bad 🙄

[@SuperSarahbop]

It’s a protest too much situation. Tati is trying to convince herself she feels better. Now I have done carnivore in the past and digestion wise it was the best I’d ever felt and that’s not saying much as I have a lot of health problems

[@CherryJuli]

@@SuperSarahbop it’s definitely psychological. When you tell yourself you feel better and really believe it, you do. The placebo effect is so well documented.

[@SuperSarahbop]

@@CherryJuli true, but the reintroduction because I can’t afford to eat carnivore brought back the digestion issues. Eating I diet that’s not inflammatory when you have chronic Inflammation and autoimmune diseases is something that made a big difference at the time in so many areas. Most people don’t even know how much bad digestion effects everything so it was pretty life changing at the time. Most people that even try carnivore do so because they’ve tried most everything else and are just tired of always feeling bad.

[@logyn5587]

Thanks for responding to Tati’s agenda. Lately I’ve been getting the ick while watching her videos, and I’m relieved to find that I’m not the only one that experiences unease in this regard.

[@chaturangaful]

Oh my gosh I just left a nearly identical comment. Apparently this is a more common phenomenon than we thought 🤍

[@gabrielagabi787]

Me too. I have been feeling the same. And for me this feeling is NOT good because I have bodydismorfia and just now I found my good way with food.

[@saulemaroussault6343]

I was happy to see her return as I watched her videos pretty often, but after watching a couple I felt like she was going in a pretty concerning direction and I never went back to them. (But in the meantime I found other creators and I’m so glad !)

[@autumnmoore08]

I haven’t watched your video yet, but I just watched Abbey Sharp’s video on Tati’s video. Hearing it from the perspective of a registered dietician was very helpful. I work in the health/wellness industry, and I get so tired of people watching misinformation and then wanting to argue it with me. That goes from everything to food, cleaning products, hygiene, and makeup. It’s exhausting.

[@spasticfurchild]

I wouldn’t trust Abbey Sharp farther than I could throw her 🫠

[@autumnmoore08]

@@spasticfurchild any particular reason why? I don't always love how over the top she is in her videos, or the built bar ads at the beginning of every video, but all of the nutrition information/studies that she has mentioned, that I've double checked has been correct and at the end of the day, that's all I care about... correct information without the scare tactics.

[@Updog89]

@@autumnmoore08 Abbey has a tendency to criticize or cherry pick research in a way suggests she is terrified of potentially “feeding” into people’s orthorexic tendencies, even if it may be scientifically sound and beneficial for people with very specific nutritional needs. For example, she poo-pooed a lot of the research presented by glucose goddess even though it is very well studied and potentially very helpful for people with insulin resistance (which is WAY more common than people realize). She also tried to encourage people with PCOS (usually driven by insulin resistance) to eat intuitively and refused to recommend lower carb diets (which the research shows are usually better for insulin resistance). And even worse, insulin resistance compromises lots of people’s ability to eat intuitively! It’s just not a safe approach for many people but there was zero acknowledgement of that body of research. As someone with PCOS if I followed her advice and ate intuitively I would literally get sicker. Which is crazy because she also has PCOS. But Abbey has had her own issues with orthorexia and I think it makes her overly concerned with coming off as too black-and-white or too prescriptive with dietary guidelines. But IMO she has allowed this concern to bias her so much that it makes her a poor resource for people with metabolic issues and other special dietary needs, who really do need a more prescriptive approach! I also find her tendency to review and critique KZbinr diets to be extremely dicey, ethically speaking. She is not their dietitian, and she is encouraging her viewers (who are also not dietitians) to evaluate and critique other people’s diets… IDK. I suppose it can be educational but I think the format is potentially more harmful more than helpful.

[@autumnmoore08]

@@Updog89 I totally see what you're saying!(I also have PCOS btw, and have found that intuitive eating is only intuitive if you know how your body reacts to what you consume... at that point, is it intuitive, or is it just informed decision making...) I have wondered about the ethics of reviewing the diets of others as well, and I think that it's good when there is an influencer spreading misinformation/ overly restrictive diets that someone steps in to let others know what could possibly be harmful, but I also wonder about the effect it may have on the original individual who posted their diet. It's definitely a slippery slope. As far as what you mentioned regarding her disregard for research, I haven't ran into that, but I more or less appreciate it when she debunks health myths and buzz words used to push diet culture.

[@SuperSarahbop]

@@Updog89 yep I’m not a fan of Abbey Sharp she comes off rather unhinged and has a lot of issues herself that she has made public that does not make her the most professional person in her field.

[@andreawc88]

Thank you!! 👏🏼👏🏼 somebody needed to address this! I love her, I watch all her videos. However, as a physician and beauty blogger consumer, I think voicing affirmations and cherry-picked “association or causation” effects is so dangerous. I bet this wasn’t an easy video to film and post and I appreciate you calling this out.

[@andreabootsma8478]

seeing all of the hate on fluoridated water is so weird for me - I am a chemist and I remember in my first year of college my prof talking about iodated salt and fluoridated water as two of the greatest public health measures ever for children at risk of mineral deficiency or tooth problems

[@brittanyfletcher434]

Yes!! And “enriched” flour and cereals with thiamine and folic acid!

[@kellysblackcat]

My mom tried to scare me about it, saying they used it in the ww2 for prisoners to subdue them , she then went on to say the govt was now putting it in the water to make everyone complacent. I made her a tin foil hat last Christmas.. 🎅 👽

[@NessaH]

@@kellysblackcatdid you really??😭💀

[@kellysblackcat]

@@NessaH yep I did. She comes up with some outrageous things, so I thought it was funny. She did too. 😂😂👽

[@monongahelacats]

I grew up in a city with flouridated water and I'm 58 years old and have nearly perfect teeth.

[@staceyb3007]

Thank you for taking about ED, disordered eating and diet culture! It needs to be more widely understood. People need to be educated.

[@kearinarmstrong]

I am just so much less generous than you or most of the commenters - given that Tati came up in OG beauty youtube with the rampant undeclared financial relationships, I 100% think she has some financial interest in this. If she releases products in the wellness space in the next 6 months then 🤷‍♀️ Thank you for your commentary about how dangerous the wellness narrative is - I appreciate how caring you are for your audience to make this content ❤

[@Kayla_P99]

She already has a vitamin company (but litigation has affected her financial benefit)

[@Gabsbuzz]

My thoughts exactly!

[@tbear8839]

Omg I was thinking the same thing!!!

[@ItsSuzanR]

Yes! I was thinking this too!!! I’ve seen a lot of advertisements in cosmetics journals for neutraceuticals so it wouldn’t surprise if Halo/Tati comes out with something in that sphere!!!

[@cathb4682]

Tati's competence is limited to make-up. When she launched her vitamins, I got so angry she was going to use her fame as a make-up addict to sell stuff people were going to ingest. It was clearly abuse in my opinion. Hope you know what I mean as I am not a native. Thanks for your video!

[@xosammtastic]

Thank you for this! I became chronically ill when I was a teen and had a few bad doctors tell me all the ways it was my fault; it led me into an ED and being obsessed with "clean" xyz. Did it help? Nope. Did it make me worse? You betcha. Tati might not have the intention of hurting people, but she absolutely is. She has a huge following and at least one person is going to follow her "advice that isn't advice, just my personal story" and end up in a worse place because of it. I can only hope your video is pushed hard by the algorithm so they have an equal shot at seeing it

[@samanthaimrie2918]

Same! Doctors often suck unfortunately

[@Niccis_Narrative]

Funny that you talk about HER being manipulative (and she’s not) because this video feels extremely manipulative. People who watch her, again are not monkeys who just tap the order button. Have more faith in people to be able to discern what might work for them and what might not. I get that you’re trying to get views mentioning her name, but stick to reviewing makeup instead of putting down influencers who have a bigger following than you. It’s tacky…Kackie.

[@InsertLiteraryPunHere]

YES KACKIE, YES. Thank you for this video. I was diagnosed with celiac disease earlier this year (at the age of 29, estimated that I went undiagnosed for around a decade), and let me tell you, the fact that gluten was a randomly demonized “cut this from your diet for optimization/wellness” ingredient a few years ago does NOT help when it comes to explaining the severity and actual biology of this disease. Also the fact that people throw the word “inflammation” around in the vaguest possible way isn’t really helping anyone. If gluten causes someone repeated inflammation, then that person probably has celiac disease-it’s literally diagnosed by assessing the visible damage caused by repeated, autoimmune-based inflammation of the digestive system. Also, gluten is one composite set of proteins out of what, thousands? A lot of milder digestive issues could be caused by any number of things that we haven’t isolated or identified yet. This isn’t to discount anyone’s journey with potential gluten sensitivity or intolerance (we’re all just trying to figure out our own weird and particular bodies, and we often do that exploration imperfectly and that’s okay). But I do experience the broader societal consequences of this imprecision, in that knowledge about my diagnosable, “yikes your body has this very specific problem” disease is muddied up with dumb wellness junk science about “feeling your best.” I didn’t feel bad for 10 years because I ate “processed” or “unhealthy” food, I felt bad because I had an illness. Now I get to feel WAY better than I ever have before as an adult, even on days when I eat “junk” food that would make these optimized/self-actualized people lose their minds. And anyway, most people don’t feel low-energy because they’re drinking fluoridated water or whatever the new bogeyman is for these people, they feel bad because they have too much work and stress and not enough money and rest! Okay love you bye rant overrr (also everyone listen to Maintenance Phaseeeee)

[@kackie]

😍😍😍😄😄😄

[@isabellamorris7902]

EXCELLENT TAKE YES.

[@tbear8839]

Preach! You nailed it ☺️

[@tatianaameliaify]

My daughter has celiac and they're always like " oh she must eat so healthy" and I respond with "French fries are gluten free" lol 🤣 It's not a synonym for health. I also find it bizarre because I have bad Eczema and people always say gluten free go gluten free. I'm allergic to metals and gluten free grains are very high in metals (I don't recommend cutting metals even if you're allergic you have to have some but not too much it sucks). When my whole house went full no cross contamination gluten free my eczema got so much worse I had to add wheat back to my diet. If you have DH caused by celiac and diagnosed via biopsy (or endoscopy) then sure gluten will help your celiac related specific eczema

[@maeganmchugh]

As someone who has had disordered eating my entire life, it’s so, so easy to fall down a shame spiral about everything I put in and on my body. The message that I’m doing everything wrong and therefore am a horrible person is everywhere. I just unsubscribed to another beauty creator that recently posted a video about how she quit sugar. So many people in the comments taking her experience as gospel they must follow. It was very triggering for me. Maintenance Phase has been a godsend to help me work through a lot of this stuff.

[@smithlady]

I didnt like when A did that either!!!

[@theprousteffect9717]

Yes! Pretty sure I know who you're talking about. It's very scary how quick people are to listen to every word someone says, even if they have zero credentials. I really enjoy Abbey Sharp's channel (she's an RD) because it's highly evidence based, and her anti-diet culture philosophy is so therapeutic after years of being riddled with food shame and misinformation.

[@kbmakes]

Yes, that creator's recent video about it triggered me so much. I could only watch a few minutes.

[@cinemaocd1752]

Yeah there's a whole world of eating disorders that are basically perceived food sensitivities/allergies that are really just excuses to not eat. I spent a lot of time in the weird world of Weston Price/paleo eating and so many people there were so concerned about the purity of every single food that in the most serious cases there were people eating only eggs or only grass fed ground beef and nothing else.

[@beatdizzy]

@@cinemaocd1752 So. Much. This. When I first read about the binge cycle I had to re evaluate EVERYTHING

[@whatifjenny]

I've been so confused by Tati's clean beauty journey. Like she got an eye infection so she threw out all her old mascaras. Good move. Then she replaced them with all "clean" mascaras and I'm like, girl you know those are going to go bad twice as fast as your old ones and you're not good about throwing them out right? Also you're so right about healing your gut being personal. I had the same issue for like 15 years, and for like 10 years all I could eat without my stomach exploding was mashed potatoes which is a nightshade and the literal opposite of what most doctors would recommend. The same diet worked for me, my cousin and my aunt so it must be something in the genetics, but getting on the internet and telling the world probably wouldn't help anyone who wasn't directly related to me 😂

[@parissinclair6513]

I'm glad you pointed out that calling some beauty "clean" carries with it the implication that other brands are "dirty" and therefore bad/shameful. This same implication is why drug addicts and their supporting communities are phasing out the phrase "getting clean" in favor of saying that they're in recovery.

[@BethaneyLilly]

THIS!

[@JillRebeccaBeauty]

YES YES YES! I used to work in Functional Medicine and IMO there isn’t much evidence behind a lot of the “wellness propaganda” being put out there. The constant villanization of chemicals has got to stop, it’s just causing worse problems. Look at the recent huge recall from the Laundress! I couldn’t get through the past few videos where Tati went off the deep end. So glad you are sharing your take, which is about a million times more eloquent than I could say. Thank you!

[@kerriganlemoine1513]

I’m currently a medical student getting ready for graduation, so I only really know enough to be dangerous lol. But, I really appreciated your nuanced comments on this topic. As far as nutrition goes, physicians aren’t trained AT ALL in nutrition and diet. We are woefully under educated in that area and there are some who do a lot of work to become more educated. But I think it’s important for people to realize where a doctor’s expertise lies and it isn’t in giving nutritional advice. Our expertise is in treating acute disease processes and managing medications for long term outcome benefits. I love being able to consult my dietician and nutritionist colleagues so that my patients can receive good and validated information. Side note, Kackie, I LOVE the way you present nuanced opinions about topics like this, these things can be hard for people to talk/hear about and navigate it so gracefully and in such a caring way while still being your chaotic self. I admire and appreciate that! ❤

[@annetteprice]

All that plus I would add a GI specialist can sometimes be of huge help. It was a GI physician’s assistant who put an end to several years of my misery by prescribing a simple test and follow-up treatment. This was after dozens of doctor appointments, scans, blood tests, etc.

[@kerriganlemoine1513]

@@annetteprice yes 100% yes. This is why healthcare is a TEAM SPORT. We need all of us to take care of patients well

[@camillefaith2005]

My dad has been a GI for around 35 years and he definitely has put in a lot of work into understanding nutrition. I find that to be the case for a lot of GIs for sure. Not so much other fields, but a lot of GIs put in work to understanding FODMAPS and other foods that trigger issues for their patients. He treats a lot of IBS, Chrons Disease, GERD, Ulcertive Colitis etc.

[@AlcideIzMine]

I also dont think women's healthcare is taken seriously or really taught well. It's under researched and female patients are often dismissed and gaslit by their doctors. That's why an extremely common condition like endometriosis takes on average 8-10 yrs just to diagnose. And endometriosis is more common than asthma and diabetes, yet doctors seem completely oblivious about its existence 👀. Maybe if GIs and urologists learned about women's healthcare more they wouldn't misdiagnose endometriosis as IBS, Crohn's, Gluten intolerance, IC, etc. 🤔. The gaslighting and dismissal I think turns patients to alternative medicine out of desperation, and causes mistrust in traditional medicine. Both Tati and her one sister have endo, and they discussed their battle to just be diagnosed and treated. Her sister was studying to be nurse and even she was frustrated at how US healthcare just doesn't care about women's well-being.

[@lottamagi]

Thank you for this excellent video! As a chronically ill person, I’ve noticed that there’s this notion that if you have long-term issues/chronic illnesses, diabilities etc, you’re just not doing “enough” to be healthy again and you’re lazy for not trying every possible diet/excersise/wellness thing or whatever out there. Not only is it not accessible for everyone, it’s extremely tiring and for a person who already is disabled or chronically ill, there is often not enough energy in them to keep doing all of that.

[@tbear8839]

And you shouldn’t have to! ❤️

[@JasminMiettunen]

As someone whose depression has been better and worse, I can say absolutely, being more active and having friends can make you feel better. I can also say that when it’s bad, doing it can be impossible, and even when you force yourself, you'll just get more tired. It’s like, good to hear taking up running fixed helped when you were sad, but that isn’t treatment for severe clinical depression. Medication 👏 and 👏 therapy 👏 Also as someone recovered from an eating disorder who also has PCOS (yeah, I know that’s a lot lmao) going low carb just isn’t an option, no matter how much it helped someone else. There’s other treatments and medications for a reason.

[@ModernVintage31]

@lottamagi I don’t know if you’ll ever see this, but in case you do I’d like you to know that I really appreciate your comment. Even people who believe they are being encouraging can be really clueless that their cheerleading is actually dispiriting

[@misfor]

It’s the backfire when one gets “evangelical” about things. This is such a complicated issue and taking her words as truth is a problem. Thank you for making this video.

[@dinygoesglam]

I would love to hear your opinion on the subject too

[@misfor]

@@dinygoesglam I touch on “clean vs. non-toxic” in my Makeup Testing and Regulation video. This is a really complicated topic and I appreciate how well Kackie handles that complexity. I would definitely want to approach it with a lot of care…

[@livnatkafka9017]

As a scientist, a jew and someone with disorderd eating Thank you so much for making this video! I unsubscribed after that video from her because I can't see someone so blatantly ignore her privilege and spreading misinformation. And I really recommend anyone who is reading this to go hear maintenance phase it's brilliant and made me look at so many things in a completely different light there is also you're wrong about that Michael used to host with one of my favourite writer sarah marshel

[@pelephant2024]

I lost you after joo

[@elizabethtatham7343]

Michael has also started a new podcast called If Books Could Kill where he looks at bullsh*t books that either do things like give life "tips" or contain stats or anecdotes that may themselves be flawed and then the author extrapolates wildly from there. All somehow with a fun, light tone.

[@frumtheground]

It was SOOO hard to watch keep watching her that it made it easy to unsub. I have overlapping autoimmune diseases and it feels like you get bombarded with people trying to shove that "clean," "pure," whatever garbage down your throat and I just can't stand it. That kind of misinformation is SO dangerous, exploitative, and dismissive of people who suffer from debilitating health issues. Also, thanks for the book recommendation, I've heard good things!

[@abbyehrenstein2550]

Food psych is also really good

[@thenoblegasargon]

YES, Aubrey and Michael are my true loves! Methodology wonks save the day!

[@haneymobile86]

Oof I'm so here for this. Something happened to Ms. Tati when she was on her hiatus because ever since she came back she has been saying all kinds of bonkers stuff. She (figuratively) taught me how to do makeup and it really makes me sad to see this weird direction she's taken. Very squicky. P.S. Also, love Maintenance Phase. Have you listened to If Books Could Kill yet? Highly recommend.

[@kackie]

YES!

[@haneymobile86]

@emi for real! The woman basically taught me how to wear makeup and now every time I see a post from her my first reaction is to cringe.

[@haneymobile86]

@@kackie I live in Houston and the second I saw that she had moved to Dallas I was like... oof. As a former Austinite I'm sure you can understand the connotation of choosing Dallas out of all of the big TX cities. It's a yikes from me.

[@parissinclair6513]

@@haneymobile86 I don't know much about specific areas of Texas, but as someone who lives in Seattle (where she was living before) and is very familiar with the general culture/social rhetoric here, I did find it a little eyebrow-raising when she picked Texas of all states to move to.

[@heathercordova2888]

Wow just because she is trying to better her life and looking to God and getting out of LAs miserable life style , she is somehow crazy. This is so sad. I’m sad that people speak so unkind of others. I’m glad to see her new journey and I’m glad she found God and is on a new path. May God bless you all.

[@ashleyyeoman9872]

one of my major red flags with those whole campaign of hers is that she based an entire company around all of the benefits that she claims she is JUST NOW seeing. so she has been lying for years to her audience, because who else is buying halo, about it truly supplying her with the health benefits and overall well being within herself that she now says she has never felt before.

[@charlotte7268]

Woah, I was enjoying your video but yikes, don’t throw around nasty accusations. I’m not a big Jordan Peterson fan, he says some interesting things occasionally but I don’t constantly agree with him but let’s not call people names. I don’t do that with anyone, even if I disagree with them.

[@willowashe]

It seems really predatory that Tati can say things like “I wasn’t happy with how my brain was working, body was working etc.” yet she sells vitamins and ‘brain boosters’. In the advert videos, she talks about her feeling the best she ever has. What are we supposed to believe?

[@spruhakurlekar261]

Was watching you on TV and opened the app just to comment: you might get hate for this video but I so appreciate that you said something! Ever since Tati went on hiatus and found religion or whatever she's been on a weird journey

[@nicolesmith525]

I completely agree

[@amy1670]

Thank you so much for doing this!! My ED brain is not rational and will always succumb to these fantastical, cure-all diets, so hearing someone else speak about it is super helpful!

[@patsyroyal]

I'm so glad you did this because her new focus has been bumming me out. Who even thinks of a question like "what is your favorite water????" Talk about privilege. The people of Flint, MI would like a word. And her thoughts on eating certain kinds of fat? Those who struggle with high blood pressure and heart disease would also like a word.

[@kackie]

THISSSSSS

[@mizshellytee]

Also: people in Baltimore. Also x2: Navajo Nation for decades. Also x3: Any other place without clean water.

[@katherinespencer6236]

EVERYTHING you said, plus the fact that a lot of meat (especially red meat) is an inflammatory food for many autoimmune diseases (like a few of mine).

[@krachael.00]

Sorry, I might be confused about your point regarding Flint? I’m from there, and not-safe tap water is the exact problem. Bottled water is a lot safer than lead-contaminated water. What Kackie is saying is kinda counter to that…? I get that it’s the pipes that are the problem and not inherently the water itself, but it amounts to the same thing when it ends up in your body.

[@patsyroyal]

@@krachael.00 Oh no! I think I was not being clear about Flint in my comment. Sorry, I was referring to Tati's video when she answers "What kind of water do you use?" as if it is just an assumption that people are able to access tons of varieties of high end bottled waters (Tati mentions Fiji water bc that is the brand her husband uses, or Evian, or whatever, not tap verses bottled water) or high end filtered waters. It's odd to me that people actually have a favorite brand of bottled water because many of us are lucky if we can afford a decent filter or to pay for any bottled water, much less a preferred brand. So - my point regarding Flint, MI is that once the truth of the lead in the water became widely known it was a struggle to even get bottled water and it had to be shipped in and donated and such. To act like it is just so easy and convenient to have the "best" water sounded ignorant and haughty to me. I think I was just being confusing in my wording before and did not correctly explain my meaning. sorry if I came off the wrong way.

[@goldieadeline1228]

Ah man…. Throwing the term Anti semite at people seems to be a buzzword you like to use because it’s a trending topic lately and THAT’S super unfortunate. Lottttts of contradictions in this video which is also unfortunate. You seem to be running so hard to the left you lost all sense of direction. So she can’t tell us HER journey without it being “dangerous” but YOU can mention how pesticides wrecked your gut and that’s okay because it’s just “about you” is just hypocritical of you. GIRL.

[@aa0821]

This girl has so many issues of her own. The last thing she needs to be doing is shaming anyone for their lifestyle. Specially when that person is just doing what they feel is best for THEM. She made this video to show her strong dislike for conservatives because in her mind, that is where Tati is headed. I'd much rather she be explicit like cate the looney and just flat out tell anyone who doesn't think like her to buzz off. But she needs to remember one thing, she monetizes with views from all kinds of people. Liberals are ironically so close minded and prejudiced and this video and the comment section are a prime example of that. Not to mention, why are people thanking her for shaming someone?? "Thank you so much for saving me from the ability to form my own thoughts, my influencer guru" The world of "influencers" and their brain washed minions these days🙄

[@Niccis_Narrative]

Conspiracy theories can trace back to being antisemetic, what kind of nonsense is that? That may be the dumbest statement I’ve ever heard anyone say. “Who’s going to tell Kackie that she doesn’t know what she’s talking about?”😂

[@Niccis_Narrative]

And I don’t care if there are “buzz” articles about it. It’s complete drivel. Most conspiracy theories aren’t even theories they are facts. And I feel bad for those who don’t heed the warnings and just laugh them off.

[@amyjoyce6635]

Omg I’ve been screaming these same things in my head every time I watch her new content! I cringe every time she grabs a product and goes “and the ingredients on this are super clean and great”. Bright side - it’s making for a great future episode of Maintenance Phase? 😅

[@cms4229]

Clicked right away. I have too many thoughts on this but I have to finish some work. Some small thoughts: - I understand her thoughts on fragrance - Other comments on Botox saying it’s poison (James vid from 10 days ago) was odd - Alleging the Dior air spray foundation has benzenes Also the reality is that every time you go out and take your car onto the highway, you probably breath in so many fumes in our modern society. A light spray of dry shampoo won’t kill you. Also, I totally agree how it’s hard when a person slams a product because everyone lives in a different environment, are different ages/ ethnicities/ races/ genders and have their own skincare/ makeup preferences and needs. Can you perhaps do a video of former housewife Bethenny Frankel’s stint on beauty TikTok slamming certain pharmacy and celebrity make up brands? Kind of goes with my comment above.

[@mobbagg0812]

I thought she said she was getting rid of her Dior air flash because it’s been discontinued and the ones she had were old and expired. She mentioned there’s always potential of benzene contamination in any aerosol product and she just doesn’t want to take the risk.

[@inkasaraswati7625]

I don't know what these people have been saying about botox, but botox is literally poison, a neurotoxin produced by bacteria. Which to me just makes their obsession with poison is all the more ridiculous because all things can be poison and not poison depending on the situation.

[@PamelaH_HappyVibes]

I am a science thinker when it comes to makeup. ‘Clean makeup’ can’t even be defined. Where are the preservatives?! Having NO preservatives is bad! ‘Clean’ preservatives don’t work. I got a Tower 28 lipgloss in a sample box. I KNOW I have to use it quick. I don’t think Tati means any harm. Tati literally believes this.

[@joannelouisa]

Thank you so much for making this video, I'm sure there was some hesitation because of the potential clap back. I think it's such an important message though! I stopped watching Tati's videos some time ago (a few months after the James Charles saga I think) because something just felt "off", but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. You call out all the problems so eloquently here! Thank you!

[@abigalesonline]

THANK YOUUUUUU for making this video! i dont follow tati anymore and dont see her content but i know she still has a huge following. i love love love that youre taking this opportunity to call out all the red flags. i feel like in general beauty consumers are very impressionable, and for her to be speaking on such issues knowing that her audience puts her on a pedestal is just so so dangerous. shes speaking on things she has no authority speaking on. like imagine going on the internet and telling your millions of followers NOT TO EAT VEGETABLES???? its so mind blowing. thank you for bringing this to my attention and for speaking about it in general! the average person doesnt know to look for those red flags. also for her to speak on any of these issues with the amount of privilege she has is just... so frustrating. so thank you for mentioning that as well! love this style of video and would love any other vids you might have in mind like this!

[@_bahhumbug]

This is such an important conversation, especially at this moment in history. If you or anyone else who sees this wants to look more into the history of the wellness culture, I highly recommend reading about Dr. Kellogg (lol yes that Kellogg) and his wellness movement which included his eugenics beliefs and also some evangelical extremism. It’s important right now because society has decided to ignore an ongoing pandemic and the mass death and disablement it’s causing so people will be looking for anything under the sun to treat their long covid which means more people than ever will be vulnerable to this “wellness” messaging. Tati is a smart business woman and I worry she sees this and is taking advantage of it to rake in as much money as possible regardless of whether or not she’s aware of where that pipeline leads. Disability advocates have been warning of this rise in “wellness”, Imani Barbarin is a great person to look to for a disabled perspective, she was featured in a video with The Financial Diet called Disability, Money, and the Dangers of “Wellness” Culture. Thank you for getting this conversation out there in the beauty community. As an immunocompromised person watching all of this from a distance, I was hoping someone would speak up about it.

[@paulinab0412]

timing of this is pristine. Just watched her sharing she made her husband switch to 100% natural fiber underwear... to fix their conception struggles. the thing about fears of the unknown is they can always be topped. we keep phones in our pant pockets right next to our reproductive organs! with that in mind it seems *insane* to hyperfixate on things like fabric content. I find alot of times when people "do their research" too deeply, they fall into a crisis and tend to hyperfixate on tiny, likely inconsequential things that they CAN change rather than those they cannot

[@SuperSarahbop]

How is that going to fix her infertility. James has proven he’s capable already. Tati has said she has endometriosis and the rates of infertility are significantly higher in women with endo.

[@monongahelacats]

​@@SuperSarahbopHer sister has endo and just announced she is pregnant. I wonder how Tati feels about this when cameras are not rolling?

[@SuperSarahbop]

@@monongahelacatsmy bets are there’s a green eyed monster there

[@Momofukudoodoowindu]

@@monongahelacats didn't she pay for IVF tho? That's like $40k-$50k

[@monongahelacats]

@@Momofukudoodoowindu I believe so.

[@graymonk5972]

i’m sure ppl like Tati do take vitamin supplements, but like cutting all vegetables out of your diet, you’re gonna need a lot of nutrient supplements holy hell i have ARFID (avoidant restrictive food intake disorder, to put it simply “Hella Picky Eating”) and don’t eat any vegetables and very few fruits (but im working on it!) and i rely on high doses of nutrient supplements that i have to get prescribed to survive like holy shit my vitamin d levels were so low my doctor was shocked i wasn’t literally bedridden. don’t cut entire food groups without talking to a medical professional, it’ll really mess you up. like if you want to, make sure you have a way to keep your nutrient levels up.

[@samanthaprestley]

PREACH GIRL! You just validated exactly how I feel about her videos lately. Spot on when you said Tone Def

[@bigl9478]

Literally everything said about Jordan Peterson in this video is untrue. He’s pretty much the exact opposite of all the names he was called. I’m not exaggerating. It’s clear that she’s never watched a Jordan Peterson video or interview in her entire life and has absolutely no clue what he’s about. Honestly I’m so shocked and disgusted that I will NEVER watch another video from Kackie ever again. We are DONE.

[@riverthoughts2400]

💯

[@cms4229]

Also, I just finished this video fully. It’s fully all my thoughts. This was amazing. I am going to rewatch it again for dinner. Like I remember back in the day, when I was a teen, Michelle Phan was promoting diy face masks with lemon juice and baking soda or like aspirin. Obviously, lots of young teens would watch that and damage their faces and feel worse about their acne. What Tati is doing I believe is even more dangerous cause a lot of her viewers are adults now who may be struggling in their own way so they could try to follow Tati in her ways without having any spousal/ family support or the financial means to do so leading to worse results.

[@micharellano67]

What I was not expecting was a Maintenance Phase shout out! I've been a Michael Hobbs stan since You're Wrong About. I have not be into Tati since she came back but I clicked on this video to hear what made you so bothered to make this video....I was not disappointed ❤

[@audreyshannon7486]

I think what you're saying is a stretch.

[@aliciai.9150]

I have never heard of you before and stumbled across your video through another beauty influencer. TBH I didn't like this video and won't watch another video of yours. I find Tati to be pretty consistent and this video was all over the place and lacked consistency. You definitely wanted to have people look down on her views because they don't match yours, which are very leftist and polarizing. How about just letting people decide for themselves instead of trying to "influence" them, which is exactly what you're accusing Tati of doing? The power of choice, not assuming people are victims and can't decide for themselves. Now, that is a privileged mentality (how many times did you use the word privilege in this video?) For a beauty video this was way too political. I'm a centrist. I don't find Jordan Peterson to be anything you claim he is. You sound like you drank the lib kool-aid. Good luck to you.

[@Soleils]

My theory is that her vitamins are no longer going to be vegan because it will be cheaper to produce them with animal bi-products and she will be able to go on her channel selling them because she's done all of these videos.

[@nikkiknack]

ooooo solid theory!

[@willowashe]

Im thinking her next product will be a detox kit.

[@botticellibarbie]

scrolled too far down in this comment section and found all the crying alt-right babies 😭🙃 help

[@SuperSarahbop]

Wow

[@ndeluca77]

Tati’s video really just hit me as being super unrelatable if you’re not rich. So many people don’t even have good access to a doctor or “good” food so promoting Fiji water and customizing your diet to such extremes so often just isn’t realistic. I’m just trying to survive and I don’t like her whole vibe now.

[@kackie]

Yeahhhh

[@Beautyonthebrain_]

Can we also discuss how ableist her ideas are?? I would love to massively change my body, but I'm lucky if I can stand long enough to feed my cats. I'm also getting a tinge of disparity blindness, she doesn't understand that living the way she is living is a privilege that a lot of us don't & never will have.

[@TheSim1derful]

Sooo ableist. I had to get a double lung transplant to get a "healthy" body lmao

[@sea_g0at]

omg the weakness talk. yes!!! people who judge others for not eating all organic or whatever need to stfu and acknowledge their privilege. things as simple as having easy access to fresh produce …. not everyone has the resources, tati. ALSO- don’t judge others. if you really care about peoples health there are better directions in which to direct your focus. the prevalence of food deserts in this country, for example. or the INSANE costs and complexities of the healthcare industry. on a very basic level: the fact that there are people even CHILDREN literally starving because people don’t want their taxes to go towards “government handouts” for the poor. i’m getting heated and my arguments aren’t even cohesive and i doubt anyone who needs to hear these things is ever going to read them but. damn.

[@paulinab0412]

really appreciated this. The whole not naming things but saying "do your own research" with a warning tone is totally fear-mongering and directing ppl nowhere specific and thus nowhere safe or necessarily informed. I understand she's trying to avoid backlash but the vague language, disgusted body language and attitudes she shares when talking about things we all consistently consume or are in contact with... totally encourages a fear of the unknown. And like you said.. there's alot of UNKNOWNS. diving into that.. worrying about things out of our control and being "awake", for anxious or type A types can be utterly unraveling. the minerals in my tap water do much less harm to my brain than her fears would do if they lived in my head

[@jupiterliam7961]

Maybe you touched on this and I missed it, but so much of the "you have control over your own health" rhetoric she believes in is EXTREMELY ableist. People who have chronic illness, physical disability, chronic pain, or other types of dis/different ability don't have complete control over their health. Health shouldn't be a marker of a person's worth.

[@beaherzberg]

Also yes! Monsanto is scary evil and so is Nestle. We really need larger systemic change and to put less pressure, shame, fear, and guilt on individuals for the products the consume.

[@elizabysmal]

I think what concerns me most about her eating a """carnivore diet""" is what it implies through its context. Most people who do carnivore diets USUALLY also believe some buckwild shit conspiracy theories that usually ultimately funnel into alt right rhetoric. The fact that Tati opens her Q&A video with "Im not afraid of triggering people!!!!!" when (afaik) she's never spoken like that before makes me worried about where she may be heading :/

[@jamielinell]

Also, just so y’all know, Unbiased Science did a great podcast on organics and I was shook. They DO use chemicals (just “approved” ones) that are just as toxic and bad for the environment as conventional ones. And because they’re not as effective, they tend to use MORE of them. And EWG’s “clean 15” uses super problematic methodology. Highly recommend listening…I let go of so much stress and just wash everything really well, and try to buy from local farms when I can.

[@HCS405]

I was waiting for this comment! Unbiased science does a great job at educating the public on many controversial topics.

[@creativequince]

The health and wellness industry is a $4.4 trillion dollar per year industry. If you listen to content creators, beauty KZbin is "dying". You do the math.

[@katiegraham6002]

The quickness with which I clicked on this notification 👀

[@fleetwoodmacncheese4159]

Same! 💚🖤

[@blueeeeeeee1266]

Same 😅

[@cloverrosfield]

kackie you're The best. as a longtime tati watcher (i fell off after bye sister gate and i never got back into the groove of watching her, but i used to watch her religiously in college and she was one of my biggest beauty influences) i just could not get into her more recent content and her "clean" language never sat right with me. it's so unfortunate that we have so many influencers that aren't just ignorant (and i don't mean that in a derogatory sense, but in the literal sense; they really don't understand biology, chemistry or even basic cosmetic chemistry) but also make confident claims without considering the breadth of their audiences or the weight of their word. i've been watching your videos since the end of the clean routine 2019 days, though i never commented and idk why when you have some of my favorite content!!! but i appreciate how articulate you are and how considerate you always are, you always make sure to account for experiences and opinions that don't align with your own but you follow the hard rules of logic! and that's so important for a discussion like this one. i'm extremely thankful that you made your points about dogwhistles and peterson's affiliations, and i hope that if tati sees this video, she understands how the harmful associations formed around clean beauty can be so insidious. thank you for this video, even if you weren't able to cover everything you wanted to say it was pretty comprehensive and easy to follow. sorry for the mini essay, but i'm looking forward to your upcoming videos and deeply appreciate your perspective!!! ❤❤❤ in the vein of a gothamista sign-off, wishing you the best of skin (and gut) health!

[@liz54321]

I was surprised when Tati started saying that things with coconut oil were great, when she's been saying for years how she's alergic to coconut..

[@kackie]

Oh that's an interesting detail. She also pointed out how appalling Teflon in makeup is, when her Tati Beauty eyeshadows had Teflon in them.

[@liz54321]

@@kackie I hadn't even realized that. My parents always had a strong aversion to Teflon. Which is one of the reasons I didn't buy her pallet.

[@SuperSarahbop]

@@liz54321 coconut oil as far as oils go is actually known to be damaging for the hair and it’s definitely not an oil known for its moisturizing and hydrating properties

[@jordanfontenot2648]

I haven't been subscribed to her in years, so it must have been over 4 years ago, but I remember her saying she did a food allergy test and said she was allergic to avocado (among many other things), and now is touting avocado oil.

[@jasminw6985]

I have been watching Tati for 6 almost 7 years, and it sucks to have lost my favorite youtuber. I just cant watch her videos anymore, in almost every video she throws in a couple of these things and it just annoys me so much, I just wish it could be about the makeup again..

[@marniash9559]

Thank you for this video, I am truly so happy for Tati for getting her life back in order that’s making her happy But….she needs to just stop! I’ve watched her for years but now I get a knot in my gut just listening to her recent videos 😞

[@MacCupcakes]

I really liked this. I had watched Tati’s video, and as someone who has had disordered eating, I saw some red flags, and at the same time felt an urge to buy into some of the things she was saying (and recognized that *that* was also a red flag!) Love this context- you were able to articulate things I was feeling when I watched that video

[@ivonareg]

Eating just meat and drinking only bottled water? So it's : Tati for climate change - one woman's fight against the sustainable living on this earth.

[@AGrube]

more about fluoridated water when i was trying to find a NONE mint flavored toothpaste and was weighing fluoride free vs fluoridated toothpaste: adding fluoride to our water is helpful to preventing cavities; HOWEVER, there is a possibility of dental fluorosis (sounds scary but it isn't actually-all it means is that your teeth have hypermineralization that can result in browning of the teeth-it is purely cosmetic, and people with dental fluorosis are actually more resistant to cavities because there are more minerals protecting the teeth. this can also ONLY happen if you get too much fluoride WHILE your adult teeth are still forming - e.g. you are a small child living in an area with fluoridated tap water, and you eat toothpaste too often before your adult teeth form; if you have adult teeth there is no way for you to get dental fluorosis, period)

[@addictedtoelf]

I agree with some of your points but I also don't think it's generally harmful for someone to share their experience and what they think will be better for them, "Better ingredients" for them, etc. If someone shares their experience about going to therapy that isn't bashing those that don't want to do therapy, think it's bad, or saying anything about their accessibility to therapy. Not everything "good" for someone is therefore an insult to someone else. She's calling it what people call it and will recognize it as, she's simplifying it for sake of communication. I guess I feel like watching her video and feeling bad about yourself or that it's "problematic" is that person's problem lol not hers.

[@victoriaboster1177]

I have zero idea whom this lady is but she ends up in my feed periodically. Probably because I try on occasion to figure out make up 😅. However, as a professional with over 25 years in the biochemistry field and an advanced degree in the same, I have to point out that the level of misinformation presented regarding organic foods, gluten in the US vs elsewhere, pesticides, etc. is quite profound. This nice woman needs to stay in her beauty and make up lane and apologize for misleading her viewers.

[@katiesheluk6753]

Bravo for taking this on. Tati since the beginning of her channel, cycles through these “personal revelations of wellness’, especially when her popularity starts to decline. As an individual who still struggles with an eating disorder for over half my life, she’s doing exactly the behaviours that individuals like myself have done to fuel the disorder. She won’t stop because she can’t until she finally realizes her own health issues are self created, not unlike many of us who struggle with eating disorders.

[@LouisSaver2012]

I have been following Tati since she got around 900k - 1million subscribers, just sad watching how her infertility has took her down a really dark path

[@lisadgingersnaps9843]

Second watch, fell asleep during the first listen (loooong work day). Some of the language Tati uses in her video make me feel...uncomfortable? And then eliminating all vegetables doesn't seem like something a physician would say is healthy.

[@leecoiner3293]

Watching Tati's video and just knowing that she's going to start selling something in the future. She's priming the pump for some launch.

[@suzannecross4089]

That’s exactly what I thought!

[@monongahelacats]

Yup, she just launched an anti-aging supplement today.

[@Vs-yo7to]

I am over all the influencer doctors who get their degree from doctor Google.

[@KellyGooch]

THANK YOU! I'm sure that Tati meant well but her video was incredibly irresponsible and dangerous

[@taylordaydesigns]

I used to love watching Tati and was so excited when she came back but I found myself drifting away to where I no longer watch her because all her “clean” talk gives me the ick🥴

[@kackie]

Yeahhhhhh same

[@chubbyamanda6839]

These inflammatory theories really are a slap in the face for the scientific community. Scientists are not just playing house in the lab. There are so many carefully designed processes to try to find an answer without causing harm. Scientists and MDs are not evil people who have authority to try to give people issues. These people are dedicating their entire lives to help people. The wellness corps and influencers are the people who gain monetary benefits to say whatever they want without thought of repercussion. It’s just so frustrating

[@patriciakelley8008]

Tati’s in that wellness-to-white supremacy pipeline.

[@caitlinallday8999]

Dietitian here, for what it’s worth, red meat isn’t carcinogenic. I know there was some research and then headlines a few years ago that said that red meat was carcinogenic; however, the research methodology was wildly problematic and hasn’t been able to be replicated.

[@SuperSarahbop]

Thank you

[@caitlinallday8999]

@H M That research is not so cut and dry either; and even if it was that’s not the same thing as saying that red meat is carcinogenic. Those potential carcinogenic compounds can be mitigated in several ways, including just simply eating a mixed diet that includes veggies and fruits along with meat. We are exposed to carcinogenic compounds all day long from many different sources and our bodies are generally able to deal with them. Cooked meat is not causing cancer.

[@SuperSarahbop]

@@user-jo2ik3ji8c correlation is not causation though because there are so many environmental factors we have no control of like the effects of living in an area that has factory farms nearby that spray pesticides in the air. That’s been proven to cause cancer significantly more than meat.

[@NatalieValentina6]

Amen to this Kackie, b/c LIT-RALLY you can OD on water...even Fijian water😂

[@slioness0078]

So I’m the only one in the comments who didn’t see an issue with her video? She used “I” and “me” how does one find her speaking HER truth problematic. She’s telling ppl what SHE has done to help herself and frankly she wasn’t lying about making better choices, it’s the truth. People can’t blame her because everyone is hyper sensitive because of their own issues and rights. “Privileged” or not, no one knows her full story. This is crazy. She might help someone speaking her truth, life is trial and error. What’s the difference from this video vs. what Tati did. OaN. You have a beautiful smile and it was very relaxing watching you do your makeup.

[@comentadoraification]

What strikes me the most is that Tati talks about clean products and bottle water but she still wears chemical make up all day long. Is it Logic ?

[@becominghumanagain]

I've been waiting for you to address this since I started watching Tati again because you kept talking about her, I got in just in time to watch this madness unfold. I wonder if her long hiatus and loss of influence in the beauty community will prevent this thinking from spreading like a virus through people who just like watching makeup videos. But it's wild that the wellness to alt-right pipeline is now morphing into the wearing makeup to wellness to alt-right pipeline. Do we blame Sephora??? Also I love this makeup meets commentary format. I know it's probably scary to put something like this online but I love hearing your opinion and would love to see more like this!

[@Nimuetootoo]

I've been a subbie of Tati's since the very beginning. We all go through changes, make mistakes, etc., but this newfound 'spiritual journey' she's on turns me off. Besides, I know of another 'influencer' she's started following who's batshit crazy religious (DT loving religious), and that makes me think she's got a similar way of thinking (or, NOT thinking, more to the point). Nope, no ma'am! Ain't got the patience for that.

[@kackie]

Yikes!! Now I wanna know

[@beautibrew]

THANK YOU for making this video Kackie, I wish more people in the KZbin beauty space were bringing awareness to how problematic her content has been recently. As someone who also comes from a similar background of battling mystery ailments (especially related to gut issues) and have experienced my own share of frustration with mainstream healthcare I can empathize with where she's coming from, but her delivery and lack of well-rounded sources of info she's getting this stuff from honestly furiates me. I know what it feels like to feel helpless in your own body and how vulnerable that makes you to falling into problematic philosophies like the ones shes at the precipice of, and as someone with the amount of reach and influence she has it is incredibly irresponsible to be acting like an authority on things she has no formal training in based on anecdotal evidence from her unique experiences. UGH I'm just so frustrated, thank you for speaking on this. I really hope more people do the same

[@jenniferflores755]

She’s literally talking about what helped her. If it doesn’t apply to you, then keep it moving

[@reynak6803]

Wondering what product she’s cooking up that’s related to this new “journey”

[@sheilzmel]

I use to watch Tati's videos but over time I started to notice a shift in her mental health. She seems to take on extreme ideas and then will have another video contradicting herself. I think that her "influence" is dangerous and we see this on KZbin all of the time... Personally I come to KZbin to escape with makeup videos, not to be manipulated into any way of life etc.

[@a.d.723]

I have never come across you or your videos before, but you just gained a new follower. Everything you said is spot on. After following Tati for years, I have finally unfollowed. Her culty, religiousy, extremist, privileged, fearmongering rhetoric disgusts me. She has become everything I hate after she came back from her hiatus and I refuse to listen to another word that comes out of her mouth.

[@annikatribby5717]

It irked me when she said she was foregoing plastic razors now to help landfill but then does 'mega huge PR hauls every season '

[@kathleencoomans8210]

I believe Tati has an addictive personality, she has to have something to obsess about…it was makeup and all the obsessive aspects of it and now it is ‘health’……unfortunately she has a way of presenting which is rather dangerous as there are a lot of watchers who believe every word she speaks is gospel…..

[@JaseekaRawr]

I came across this video insanely randomly! & boy oh boy, as someone who used to religiously watch & trust Tati, do I have a *lot* to say. I stopped watching her after the drama, bc it left a bad taste in my mouth & when she started uploading again, it just wasn't the same. The mask had been lifted, for me. I have so many points I want to say that I had to keep pausing & made bullet points 😆 I really hope you see my comment & at least see the last two paragraphs, bc it really wraps this subject(the search for truth) up well, tbh. What solidified my choice being right to stop following her, was the fact she posted immediately about the Ukrainian war, yet not a single peep for BLM when we were all begging her to say *something.* Anything! That says *a lot* to me, bc what notable difference is there between Ukrainians & African Americans 🤔🤔🙄 Here are the bullet points: "You have authority over your choices" LOL only if you can afford it, Tati 😑 Literally "beggars can't be choosers" is an expression for a reason. Growing up in poverty in KY, the only choice I had was *none* - you either eat what's available or you don't eat at all. She's so privileged & out of touch it's honestly tragic. She sounds downright manic. 😟 You see that often when ppl are mentally unstable(coming from someone who's also unstable lmao) & this makes them prime targets for cults of any form. Religious or Qanon types most notably. When she said "tRiGGeReD" Talk about a right wing dog whistle 🙄 Funny enough the ppl who say this always seem the *most* "triggered" & emotional towards subjects they disagree with or that make them uncomfortable. Like any sort of societal progress whatsoever. 😐 The "facts over feelings" has always been projection. Right wingers are called "reactionaries" for a reason. No vegetables in her diet?? 😦 How does she poop lmao 😭 Her diet of mostly meat sounds like the Jordan/Mikayla Peterson all meat diet 😬 (LOL just saw that you mentioned that, too! 🙏🏻 One thing you may appreciate, a Nietzsche quote someone said once to describe Peterson: "Those who know that they are profound strive for clarity. Those who would like to seem profound to the crowd strive for obscurity." tell me that doesn't describe him to a "T" 😭 Also lmao the "Just Asking Questions" bad faith right wingers, I like to call it "JAQing off" 😆 I didn't coin that lol, wish I had! 😂) I currently live & am settling in India, btw, husband is South Indian. Just had my first baby. Thank you for mentioning how evil Nestle corp is. 🙏🏻 Their actions led to the deaths of possibly hundreds of thousands of babies in poor countries. The peak of which I've read was in 1981 when approx 66,000 infants died in one year. 🥺 & I just read that they're still getting in scandals for recently pushing Indian doctors to prescribe their baby food! 😡 I wish we had a justice system, anywhere in the world, that wasn't victim to capitalism; where money buys their way out of every crime they've committed. 😞 Back to Tati... Yikes. All the signs are there. 😔 So sad to see she's gone down the reactionary, dangerously crunchy path. I pray she keeps looking for answers & works her way out of it, bc some of us also went towards the same road but found our way out, luckily. 🙏🏻 There's hope, but it needs to happen ASAP. Lastly, there are two paths that a quest for truth will bring you to: either anti-capitalist(communism) or antisemitism(fascism). Imho. I'm the former, lol. ✊ Sorry for the novel 😂 THANK YOU for making this video! I saw the signs, but didn't know it had gotten this bad. This is an extremely important video! Thank you, again. 🙏🏻 Subbed!

[@kackie]

WOW!! This was RIVETING. I hung on every word. You are WAY better at talking about this than I am! And congrats on your first baby 🥹 thank you for making me feel quite sane in all of this (the comments have been a little all over the place, you can imagine) but your view and the time you took to articulate it all is SO refreshing. Thank you!!! ♥️♥️♥️

[@micheledavis3735]

Wow! So happy HLP introduced you to me! ❤ I needed to hear this regardless of Tati's take on her perfect life. People with that much money and privilege always leave me wondering how I survived another day anyway but you've given me context and discernment (even!).