We Play Foundations | Commander Clash S17 E14

[@dock_dotcom2029]

I've watched these guys since I started playing Magic, and they've made my life a bit more fun.

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

[@enmanuelrondon9700]

Need an episode where richard can only play cards that accrue incremental advantage, seth cant draw cards, Phil cant play cards with triggered abilities and tkmer cant play kiki jiki.

[@cokolwiekwpisane]

and Tomer plays Sasaya

[@croppingchair5538]

Timer plays vultron deck without Kaldra

[@xicarus8141]

Tomer makes a $5000 deck XP

[@zweis]

​@@xicarus8141 I like that one, that's good

[@dogmonolith]

Seth officially has the minion subtype after that ending

[@firelahti]

Would not mind if the one ring was added to the house ban list. Wizards, give us more coveted jewels. Less rings! The Jewel is so fun!

[@RirseDeBlood]

Terferi Protection and Trouble and Pairs too.

[@thatepicwizardguy]

@@RirseDeBlood all the super boring big staples just kind of suck to watch. they're in every damn deck and it's so homogenous and dull

[@randomasshiet8161]

@@thatepicwizardguy Draw is really important, just like mana. which is why sol ring and spells like trouble in pairs get played so much.

[@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS]

Make the one ring again but it can be stolen, just as it should have been

[@lVideoWatcherl]

@randomasshiet8161 Doesn't change the fact that playing the obviously generically strongest Option is just boring. I don't think I'd ever play those obviously overtuned cards, I always prefer synergistic cards that aren't just boring staples.

[@110019a]

Richard keeps getting away with it. Does nothing gaslights everyone else then combo kill at the end lol

[@Gretchaninov]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[@dogmonolith]

@@110019a I aspire to be like him

[@mHysteresis]

Classic

[@pregnantnun]

Thanks for the heads up. Now I know not to waste my time watching this since I’ve seen that exact things happen countless times.

[@lucaugustson9847]

I love how Richard is always getting roasted for that mono black deck that only had 2 swamps 😂

[@ethanglaeser9239]

Seth talking about not liking the idea of a bracket system removing cards from "casual" play. Also Seth: "Should I get my Trouble In Pairs with my Enlightened Tutor?"

[@burningpapersun1]

Not surprised that Richard got Seth to do his bidding so he could win the game.

[@Qdrew78]

Richard is a genius! The man has cooked for podcast after podcast convincing the others that single target removal is bad… setting up this moment!!!

[@PhalanxRises]

Funnily enough 2/3 opponents at the table had instant speed single target removal in hand, they just happened to be both tapped out haha

[@molicc]

Episode 257 of Seth doing the bidding of Richard :D

[@HexproofButHopeless]

Let’s get some positivity for top comment! Love you guys, thanks for everything yall do!

[@JStack]

Second the positivity + Tomer and Phil are straight up work horses so extra shouts out to them. Seth’s takes the last two months have been so cathartic for me lol

[@HexproofButHopeless]

@ Tomer and Crim are my faves, I love them all though lol but Tomer is so down to earth and Crim’s shenanigans are S tier lol

[@gavinpatterson116]

Absolutely agree, this crew deserves the world for how awesome they are!

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Thanks for all the positivity!

[@jacobbower807]

Love the team!!! Positivity!!!!!

[@adizzle625]

I am always amazed at how Richard makes the table do his bidding.....it is crazy to watch every week.

[@darkseid121]

TDLR Seth wipes board for Richard. Richard wins with clear board. The classic combo.

[@TargetPractice792]

I love the little extra Restriction Tomer put on himself!! Really shows that you can still have an effective deck with out all the powered up fluff!! It was really interesting to see how the deck functioned and played! It was a little reminiscent of classic EDH to me :))

[@covfefe5842]

Trove Warden is a great piece for the white landfall engine. It can hoover up all the fetch lands, expedition maps, spirited companions, etc., and then dump them back out at the optimal time. You need at least a sacrifice/aristocrats subtheme to really make it pop, though.

[@c_nrad]

Why does Kykar cost four for a 3/4 flying bird wizard when he doesn’t even have an infinite, non determinate combo?

[@as95ms98]

HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!!

[@richardpennertz8180]

Enabling catch-up ramp with depletion lands, only to not pack enough Plains for your catch-up ramp? What a way to prove to Richard that they're bad! 😏

[@MrFelixmo]

Phils face when Richard does it again is pure gold. He's clearly fed up with this shit. You and us all buddy!

[@kobisjeruk]

Their own fault for changing absolutely NOTHING after getting owned again and again. Always tap out mentality is also baffling because thats a habit from playing MTGO but they're not on MTGO anymore.

[@tardmonkey7319]

I'm pretty sure I made the same face tbh

[@JamesCooley-q8b]

I just want to say that surveyors scope spiked in price Richard!

[@Azeria]

They release a set full of _anime commanders_ and Crim’s not here??

[@Zaykahb]

"New players gotta learn how to hate" - Tomer

[@BludMun]

how do they not notice richard manipulating seth into wrathing the board every week when it happens lmao. Richard literally rooted for Seth to Ondu Inversion lol.

[@crawdaddy1234]

2:57 The Depletion lands are really underplayed. They certainly aren’t for every deck, but decks that really just want to jam the Commander as soon as possible really do like them.

[@whaleofdarkness]

Yeah, in a proliferate deck they are probably really good.

[@kyonizuka]

@@whaleofdarkness also with the number of bounce lands they play also seems pretty good to reset the counters

[@beardlybear6528]

i only know 3 commanders that use them

[@beardlybear6528]

damia gishath maelstrom wanderer

[@TheSmartCinema]

and if you run white with the catch up ramp package, it's a no brainer

[@danielj.waldholz9038]

Richard, I’d love to see you build decks with more restrictions as they force you to showcase other underplayed cards when cards like mana geyser or the one ring aren’t available

[@Mensch777]

27:38 Phils turn was just a pure joy to watch!

[@larsfilenius6077]

And again Richard wins after everyone ignores how he always wins.

[@shino12321]

Would be pretty cool if you guys had Dice with +1/+1 counters with the goldfish being the +6/+6 :D

[@JonReid01]

Tomer's deck building restriction was really cool. Would love an episode with set or block restrictions (and maybe some leeway with the mana base).

[@joshcastro8526]

Seth is like an extension of Richard, putty in his hands. The consistency is wild 😂.

[@taylorpate5698]

I don't know why Richard trying to make Kellan good is so on brand, but it is.

[@mikov6486]

And guess who won…

[@thatepicwizardguy]

@@mikov6486 wasn't even because of kellan was just a generic combo kill. honestly it was a pretty boring win but I guess we take those

[@theodoreabshire933]

​@@thatepicwizardguy It's kind of amazing how irrelevant Kellan's abilities ended up being. Richard never drew off him, and the one time he attacked with a powered-up Kellan it was a situation where double strike didn't help at all. A cheap red legend like Rograkh or something would have been better, in the end.

[@scotthuston2850]

Richard gets away with it again

[@Spotifist]

Hell yeah mercadian depletion lands, love to see it!

[@BAM_Deadstroke]

Tomer: "I actually want Phil to win now." Phil: "Same" Seth: *realizing what Phil said* 😂

[@lordyathnon]

I love how this isn't Against the Odds, but Seth still has a funny deck. Wacky commanders are my fav

[@adambarry7388]

Best thing to wake up to

[@coleboggan8950]

22:58 am I crazy or was Richard at 38, took -7 damage, and then went down to 33? Like, was the video marked wrong, or were they just tracking health totals wrong so the editor just matched it to what they had marked down?

[@Gretchaninov]

I noticed that too, I'm guessing it's just a mistake.

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

As a general rules the lifetotals we keep during the game are the ones we use in editing, since it gets really messy otherwise. I think we just made a mistake on this one. Thankfully I don't think the two life really changed the outcome.

[@coleboggan8950]

@@MTGGoldfishCommander Ah that makes sense, thanks! Definitely didn't make an impact in the long run

[@simonvillar9523]

When ojer axonill transforms into a land does he come untapped? Since he attacked with him? I think he transforms tapped? Correct me if i'm wrong pls 😅

[@ANitschkeProduction]

The dies trigger says he returns Tapped and transformed. It won't matter that he was tapped or untapped when he died.

[@humancat2434]

Still waiting for Richard to play Tempt with Bunnies. Its the greatest Spirited Companion ever printed.

[@zegodhand]

Does the goldfish crew have their personal non-clash decklists anywhere?

[@coreysierchio4650]

Every time Phil ramped, Richard would live out the Vince McMahon meme, lol.

[@beardlybear6528]

tomer i dont know if youll see this, but id love to see your take on 100 dollar budget cleon deck from jumstart

[@Tehubertaco-1994]

Tomer I’m borrowing your deck build restriction ❤

[@TMidander]

Phil's "Same" sent me :D

[@hathejoker]

18:26 I've said the same thing Richard

[@dschlie6669]

One thing I learned the hard way: Not a good idea to run hard counters to your deck's strategy because people will find strange ways to copy the effect and use it against you!

[@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS]

11:14 my favorite villain from the hit show naruto, miranda

[@mrbelbobaggins8959]

18:22 I just started the one piece tcg and that cracked me up.

[@OliverQuadros]

At 22:57 Richard loses 7 life but the life total on the screen went from 38 -> 33. Did i miss something that made him gain 2?

[@brandonjensen586]

“Evereth can get very big very fast” >PYROCYNICAL HAS ENTERED THE CHAT

[@tmain1320]

One of the most richard-iest games of all time. He simply can keep getting away with it.😂

[@Sdesser]

In reference to the infinite Pacts combo, how are you converting that into a win? I'm assuming there's something in the deck that triggers from ETBs or casts that does it?

[@zylowolfzan3345]

When Phil used Emps to wipe the board, Tomer could have used Immersturm Predator to sac the rest of his board except the Predator, so he could force Phil to pick that as the card he doesn't sacrifice. That way he'd have something other than a random token. Or could have at least sac'd the token and the discard ETB critter, so he keeps SOMETHING valuable.

[@gsmastermike]

At 22:56 Richad gets hit for 7 damage and the on screen life total goes from 38 to 33 lol

[@OdinMagnus]

Tomer did have access to like 10 mono black infinite combos in foundations

[@mtmoore333]

Such crisp ness in this one

[@JoshRudis]

Dearest Commander Clash, I have ordered some majestic dice from your illustrious store. However, I am incredibly disappointed by the lack of abacuses on the store.

[@ethanglaeser9239]

I've been thinking a lot lately about why Commander Clash isn't interesting me like it used to. I think one of the big things I can point to is seen in this game. You take new, different, or janky cards from your themes and surround them with stupid uninteresting staples. While this was Foundations week, there were two The One Rings, a Trouble in Pairs, and an Enlightened Tutor. It felt to me like Tomer played into the theme, while other players added the theme to their existing deck templates. Additionally, the ramp meta is really wearing on me. You spend turns upon turns trying to find convoluted ways to play land ramp and build out nonbasic land packages, and then hold counters and protection until someone sneaks through a giant combo win like Richard did. I like Casual Commander, and I like Cedh. I feel Clash has become a weird hybrid of the two. It plays like Cedh except with none of the actual Cedh cards. It's like a bunch of armorclad knights decided to only fight with pool noodles. Use real swords, or just take the armor off and have fun.

[@thatepicwizardguy]

forcing huge staples into decks makes them feel really fucking boring. tomers deck was clearly the most casual-fun. phil played a cute idea but ofc had some staples in probably to try to actually make it work better? seth played a generic tribal deck with every white staple. richard played a variant voltron deck with every red staple. I agree they need to pick a fuckin lane. Also if youre ever at a table with Richard just kill him first every single time mostly to get him to be quiet since he seems to somehow manipulate everybody else into doing the stuff he needs them to do so he can sneak through wins. Phil is clearly always a threat but usually plays almost no interaction which is the cheatcode there.

[@Umbry_Rose]

It's mind blowing that Richard consistently has the highest win rate... EVERY SEASON. They know this! They talk about it in the season reviews. And then they let him do it again and again and again. It is kind of lame when one person comes every week not to play and then slips out with the win. Seth and Phil are always too busy on the value side quests and ignore the actual chance at quality game play. There are a lot of good things CC offers, but their commander games have gotten very stale and predictable.

[@abeybaebe2514]

You can always take a break

[@LilSenwolf]

38:25 phils like i need to play standard

[@fredt1983]

I feel bad for Tomer.. It's like only he got the Foundations memo and had to sit through one ring nonsense..

[@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai]

I mean, that was a choice he made. The others didn’t imply you could only use Foundations cards and that’s never been a caveat on these videos. Tomer just wanted to highlight the fact that you can build a good Evereth deck with only Foundations cards because sacrifice is such a supported archetype in the set. Watch his commander tier list video, he mentions wanting to build it like this.

[@1AlasBabylon]

Constantly referring to Axonil as "Ojer" sounds so weird, considering it's meant to be a title and not part of his name. Nitpicky, but still weird, heh.

[@ResidentEyebrowAppreciator]

tbf, they're referring to the piece of cardboard more than the "character" represented by it

[@1AlasBabylon]

​@@ResidentEyebrowAppreciator That's true, but it's like referring to King Macar the Gold-Cursed by just saying "King" like it's his first name. It just *sounds* weird in that kind of context, lol.

[@Grimlock2183]

15:08 JUDGE HES PLAYING AN ILLEGAL CARD!!!

[@CecilAlucardX]

I wonder if, since they lacked green, the game went longer than usual, and all players had plenty of lands for the mana geyser.

[@JoshRudis]

On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" we sleep in the house we built. Will Tomer learn about 'Anime and Friendship' or will Richard find out that 'No, Figure of Destiny isn't good in 2024.' Tune-in to find out!

[@crawdaddy1234]

36:24 Though likely not relevant, but doesn’t Seth have protection from everything right now?

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Yeah, the protection lasts until your next turn, so I'm still protected at that point.

[@crawdaddy1234]

@@MTGGoldfishCommanderSo Tomer couldn’t have taken anything from you anyway. Again, it’s not relevant.

[@ANitschkeProduction]

​​ The Immersturm Predator can target a card in Seth's graveyard.

[@crawdaddy1234]

@@ANitschkeProduction I had to go deep into the forums. I’ve literally never had this very narrow distinction come up. 😂

[@mashedmentality]

“I have four don up”😂😂😂😂

[@sams3476]

I’d like to point out that tomer is playing mismatched basics

[@rodrigodepaula4198]

Once again Richard tricks everyone to do what he wants.

[@benoitbusque3601]

SAPRAZZAN SKERRY LET'S GOOOO TURN 2 MALCOLM DON'T EVER DOUBT ME

[@tthakshmm3349]

With cards that change control to other players, they should hand them to each other out of camera edges

[@Champ3847]

What was the maze of ith card Richard had? I have terrible hearing can't pick it out

[@mHysteresis]

Oh surprise Richard is left alone for the full game until his game winning turn. With a voltron deck who are well know to be avle to kill the table in one turn if left alone

[@barnburner1238]

Does infect actually count as combat damage? So could Richard get the mask trigger?

[@RPGFanboy14]

Yes because infects reminder text reads as: This creature deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and to players in the form of poison counters. So it is still dealing combat damage.

[@totakekeslider3835]

He always gets away with it!

[@onefightone]

Why do people always say Phil doesn’t play interaction? He actually had the counterspell at the optimal time and got 2v1ed.

[@ther3aper561]

Arahbo is literally just Seth

[@dustinkasser2746]

It could be cool to see a rule 0 Legendary Commander Lands. Something like a World Tree deck, or Dark Depths and the like

[@ODIRGO]

You promised you would not use the F word anymore, not even as a reference... yet, here we are, and you couldn't even hold your promise for a single episode.

[@CrisMW98]

Pretty sure the link in the description to decklists is wrong.

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Oops, sorry, fixed.

[@eduardoparma1947]

Does anyone know of Richard has a EDH white weenie list somewhere?

[@Aruxus]

How did Phil flip his ghostly prison?

[@raccoonhatcity7627]

Dont call me Shirley.

[@matthewmartin9983]

Was that… is that Seth’s one ring?

[@Kreenick]

I LOVE YOU PHIL

[@MrFutureDirector]

why yall always beat up on poor Phil

[@silviobaiguini69420]

"Time to Ondu Inversion Seth, I'm going to just kill him the turn after" -> proceeds to kill everbody thanks to the board wipe. I am honestly so fed up with Richard. I used to get good vibes from these games but now I am starting to realise it's always about Richard calling out other people as "threats" so that his opponent give him a clear shot to win. And don't give me the "it's a strategy" speech. It's compulsive, kind of unfair and goes against the spirit of the game. In my opinion this kind of gameplay is borderline toxic. But who am I to judge? It's only my opinion after all Xoxo

[@retrofuturistJL]

then dont watch. much easier

[@Terry.M.I.]

😅 seth we usually see eye to eye but scry is still better then surveil no? I feel surveil is better only in decks that use their grave but otherwise pitching a card to get further in your deck cant be better then straight puttig it at the bottom for the tempo....

[@Optimator7]

CLASH ON

[@JonReid01]

They let him get away with it against 😢

[@thickpickles2325]

Let's go!

[@adizzle625]

Seth should not be allowed to play aggro decks......he refuses to pull the trigger on swinging out

[@thetambo]

2 dice ads is kinda annoying ngl lmao. fun episode tho

[@SSolemn]

Hahahhahahhaha loved the Richard win 😹

[@cheesecurds-tj1nj]

I like cheese

[@dragon101woof8]

65% of people are lactose intolerant, privilege much?

[@rainmaker709]

Surveyor's Scope exiles as part of the cost. Did this get errata'ed or something because, if not, Richard NEVER plays it right. Usually doesn't matter but annoying to see constant misplays.

[@commiecommandermtg]

Commie Commander here, Richard: I need *Insert someone other than him* to do *something that I need done* because every commander game I play with a 400 card deck. 🤣

[@esrohm6460]

hold up what why is evereth secret lair art but like it only exists as secret lair art when from a main set. i won't complain but i don't know how other people see it if now cards exist that are from normal sets and the only print that exists looks like its from some weird special set many people start to dislike

[@zekebowl]

coveted jewel makes games so annoying.

[@wetbread4980]

two boardwipes and does nothing , so boring

[@jaylunwilliams1544]

No crim sort of a big L on this show