We're in the Power Creep Genshin Era Now

[@Ratheil]

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[@barny541]

Sethos and Gaming are pretty fun for their rarity tbh. And Chevreuse can buff really well but in overload teams only.

[@VeliaOwO]

Marechaussee Hunter and the new Natlan sets actually changed a lot, I wonder if it’s a sign of artifact powercreep… they’re just much stronger than the normal artifact sets, 40% additional crit rate is insanely strong!

[@JojoDigitalArtist]

@@VeliaOwO the Natlan set depends all on what the pyro archon does. Since furina enabled everyone to use the hunter set if the pyro archon does the same for obsidian then that'll be insane.

[@Qopa]

Still doesn't change the fact that I can still use a main DPS Barbara to beat spiraly abyss. But I can't do that sht in HSR at all. Addressing the non-existent powercreep in GI is like a convenient way to gloat over the actual powercreep problems in other hoyoverse or gacha games, like they're the ok ones but not GI.

[@AzureAetherYT]

"Lets hope it doesn't get as bad as Star Rail" I really don't want that comment to age poorly

[@kiamehrkhademizadeh2676]

Same if the power creep in genahin becomes like star rail im quitting cuz I quit star rail cuz if that

[@SheetsInc]

Time Element Traveler: It does age poorly

[@entegi]

I highly doubt it, if hoyo does plan on doing really bad powercreep in a day they do it from day one. Genshin always releases new units and gameplay mechanics that make older units feel better/more competitive (dendro, furina, xianyun, etc) While starrails solution to this issue is just releasing a dps sometimes almost twice as good as the last one, while not doing that much differently.

[@saahil0855]

@@entegi Yeah and I appreciate that so much about Genshin I love Diluc because of his lore but as a meta player as well I couldn't play him all the time like in abyss and difficult combat events and stuff but then came Xianyun and made my diluc do 150K plunges I was so happy and am still am every time I play my DragonstrikeDiluc Team.... yeah even tho there is no more need of dragon striking with Diluc I like the name of it xD...🤣🤣

[@fhsh531]

​@@kiamehrkhademizadeh2676 same

[@PigeonSuWi]

Xilonen did not powercreep Kazuha. Idk why so many people think that. At c0r0 they provide about the same amount of buffs give or take. Who is better will depend on the team and the content. Kazuha has grouping, Xilonen has healing. Kazuha can infuse, Xilonen can be a 2nd geo to fulfill the geo resonance, etc.. They are 2 sides of the same coin.

[@hnnnnnsp2296]

This!

[@ambientkaiga]

I dunno man, "same" amount of buffs at essentially double the duration is quite the blatant powercreep if you ask me.

[@butterfly-f6c]

​@@ambientkaiga and a blessing for that unit to have double the uptime,when you have longer rotation!

[@sarugakuza5108]

It's really not the same, except for Geo

[@Prism988]

Double the uptime, alot easier to double shred and also a lot easier to shred enemies with auras. There is a good reason why so many people think that

[@Marnige]

Furina isn't a power creep unit. She is an anti power creep unit. Any unit that causes old characters to be better does not contribute to power creep. There's a reason why units like diluc and old dps characters suddenly became viable, old units became useful.

[@inersdraco]

She singlehandedly revived healers as a whole, and team wide in particular

[@1Henrink]

You argued that makes her anti-powercreep, but you just proved that she is power creep. Think it like that, if the bar for power was not reachable for the units that she buffed, that she is a better support than many supports. This applies more to your Diluc example. It was really hard for him to clear stuff, but with Furina is possible. But that is not an optimal team, she is still strong in other teams, she elevates everyone, but characters that are already strong, just become stronger, removing a previous support from those teams.

[@randyrandom3358]

​@@1Henrink So you're saying she's not an anti powercreep for her burst, and that she needs to be weaker than she is to become one? If I have any say in this, it's how support units in general aren't powercrept/obsolete. You can use anyone. Jean for Sunfire, Kazuha for CC, Sucrose is Kazuha but faster and a swirl driver, Furina if you have a team wide healer or Zhongli, Xilonen for bosses etc. Thanks to the BoL mechanic Furina would be incredibly "powercrept" in Arle teams, it's all situational. Hence the reason why "anti powercreeps" are a thing, not because there are other existing teams that are considerably better for Furina, but because she brings "powercrept" units purpose. This and that are totally different subjects but I'm sure it was what OP tried to convey

[@Nashielou]

I do agree with this but I think her buff values n personal damage were a little overtuned which has powercreeped XQ and Yelan. They lost more than half their teams because Furinas numbers are just too high.Espescially now that Xilonen is released, their synergy together is so good that most PHEC hypercarries just run those 2 by default, hence also pushing most healers like baizhu out of the meta. Honestly the biggest problem is Neuvillette being able to easily benefit from all these meta supports. Yes, Furina n Xilonen does help make older units viable, but it also just widens the gap with Neuvi even more, so whats the point?

[@kami761]

She also makes newer unit even stronger though

[@JojoDigitalArtist]

I still stand by Neuvilette is potentially Genshin's biggest mistake as he's extremely popular, almost everyone has him, and he's one of the best characters in the game. They kind of balance things around him now, and then he got one of his best buffers to that is also the same case.

[@marqkc]

This comment right here. Balancing things around a specific character is one of the tell-tale signs of powercreep. I don't think we've gotten to the point of full-fledged powercreep, but the direction they're taking is concerning to me (but then again, they released Kinich/Mualani/Xilonen and Chasca is uh.... Not expected to be on-par with those 3, so maybe our fears are unfounded)

[@kiamehrkhademizadeh2676]

Fr making alhaitem , arle , neuvi and maulani op was a mistake

[@shinobu1886]

@@kiamehrkhademizadeh2676 No, literally just Neuvi

[@Personpersonpersonperson]

@@kiamehrkhademizadeh2676no just neuv Arle is strong but is kinda balanced with survivability. Mualani is harder to play for good damage, al haitham is not on their level Neuv is brain dead and super strong

[@kaibacorp13]

I don't have neuvillette, I don't know NT like his play style bcuz it's boring to me, I don't plan to get him ever, and idc about meta in pve game 😂

[@gimbo4025]

as long as i can still clear content with my favorite characters, im not really bothered by powercreep itself, its when the devs start to scale the content to the powercreeping units that it becomes unpleasant. i dont like feeling that i have to pull for a certain unit for my account just to clear content and get the rewards

[@ariesgeminii]

No fr cause once that happens, I'm quitting the game lol

[@jerryeljeremy7790]

​@@ariesgeminiiit did happen, quit the game then :v

[@ariesgeminii]

@@jerryeljeremy7790 i can still clear content with my faves tho :P (Nahida, AlHaitham, Navia, Nilou)

[@lucklei4665]

@@jerryeljeremy7790Who is this supposed must pull exactly? i have Neuvillette and his weapon yet he’s benched because his gameplay is boring af, still using keqing and she still kicks ass

[@sevastishbury3909]

good thing i can still clear floor 12 of the abyss w my Noelle lol, hope it stays this way as you said

[@RiggeruBuracu]

Main difference between power creep in Genshin and Hsr, is that I can gave my Klee Furina and she will clear abyss, but if I give my Selee any of all Harmony chars I have, she still won't be able to clear forgotten hall.

[@Nothing_Else3006]

Too real, I can't believe that my highly invested E2 S1 DH IL scored less compared to E0 S1 Rappa on Apocalyptic Shadow 😭

[@zerk343]

Actually she can but you probably need some strats like ddds10 or eagle set on supports

[@cassidy4354]

Don’t get me started on DoT 😭😭 rip my E2 Kafka

[@dultunium]

Well with Robin she probably could but 90% of her damage would just be Robin's

[@Qopa]

thank god people have common sense lol. If this video came out back when Dr.ratio was a free unit, now he's not, people would've took everything about "powercreep" in GI like it's all real or somehow worst than HSR. Like cmon man, even GI devs said they plan to make GI a casual game unlike HSR.

[@shinobu1886]

I feel like people who always talk about power creep don't realise how many times older characters have been made BETTER later on with the release of new characters. Eg: Dendro came out: Most electro's buffed, especially Kuki. Furina came out: Most healers buffed, especially full party healers like Jean & Baizhu. Speaking of Full party healers, Xianyun came out: Not only buffed existing plungers, but also buffed some character who didn't normally plunge, like Diluc. Chevreuse came out: Buffed an entire reaction, overload teams. These are only some of the examples I can think of from the top of my head, there are certainly more.

[@callmerei]

Chevreuse buffs Overload- Not Electro Charged

[@MARUSHI-YT]

i'd say chevreuse didn't buff overload, because she doesn't increase the dmg. she's not like nilou who buffs bloom reactions, but more like xilonen with how she shreds resistances, albeit said shred is locked behind overload and having your team restricted to pyro and electro characters. most of her best teammates prefer a lot of front loaded dmg like fischl and arlecchino rather than EM based characters, because again, she doesn't provide buffs to overload dmg

[@shinobu1886]

@@MARUSHI-YT Doesn't matter, you're missing the point. Overload teams were laughable before, now they are viable or even very good when using Chevreuse. Adding more team variety to existing DPS's or even potentially their best teams, is a good thing.

[@viezhiero2361]

​@@shinobu1886on top of that. Overload base team comp is one of the most simple rotation team. Being like mono geo itto rotation with frontloaded but also consistent dp/s. Its restricted for element choices but not the character itself. Example raiden, chev, beny, xiangling / dehya. Consistent dmg type, consistent buffs, easy rotation, multi wave / boss rush mode. Another example cyno, in aggra team he need premium team member, but in overload (as far as i try) he only need chev and the other 2 flex. I can say he raised from his dead premium team. I like how they design chev kit, its restricted but also has a lot of option if player willing to explore.

[@hahenjiunndipashmartlex75]

The problem is that alot of the things you've listed here either contribute to the issue of the current powercreep issue we have in the game, or that it helps newer units in the game rather than the older and weaker ones. -While dendro does buff electro up quite abit. It also contributed in making one of the archetype in the game , hyperbloom. That ended up making mihoyo create one of the most broken unit in the game, neuvillette. That now they are trying to fix by balancing around it. Kuki werent even buffed by it in a technical sense, the reaction just give her the ability to do what shes originally intended (tho still doesnt really fix her kit, she still have alot of flaws in her kit like her useless cons that isnt c2, her dissosiated burst, her uneccessary hp consumption mechanic. But thats besides the point. ). - Furina really does make healers contain far more value than she already has, ill give you that. But She also contributed in idening the gap that neuvillette has over the rest of the units in the game - Xianyun is probably the best out of this bunch. Mostly buffing older units that could really use that edge and didnt ended up causing an increase in the power gap in the new and old weaker units. But rather made some effort in closing it. - Cheveruse is not only not buffing overload in a sense that @MARUSHI-YT is saying. The issue goes deeper than that. The issue with her is that shes more well known as a replacement for kazuha in raiden/clorinde team than she is as a buff for the older and weaker units. Were not hearing amber overload team being praised, we're not hearing yoi mentioned like noelle did with furina being released when people talk abt team playability with cheveruse, we're not seeing weird yanfei overload teams rise to fame. No. There's no "Adding more team variety to existing DPS". They just gave you an alternative teammate option for already frequently used characters like fischl or raiden. Shes essentially kazuha for raiden and clorinde team and thats about it. And with the more recent game design choices, its not really giving us more closure in terms of powercreeping issues. We now have support sets that essentially gives free 40% dmg bonus for the whole team and the catch is that you would need someone who mihoyo designed an entirely new game mechanic for them to have a crutch against the old units. Remember when they made some arbituary restriction on support sets like songs of the days past with trigger quota who wouldve made healers that bit more useful even without furina and petra archaic where the wielder of the set used to need to pick up crystallise shards? Well Im glad that restriction is meaningful and hoyo didnt made it just because they are allergic to buffing weaker characters. And now characters like ororon are rumored to be better than fischl thanks to the edge that cinder city provides. Theres also a set that essentially gives 40% crit rate for essentially free if you were borned in natlan and have a entirely new game mechanic designed around you. Remember when to even get 40% crit rate you have to either play in a specific team comp or have to have a healer and furina in your team comp, or else youre risking survivability? Well im glad that is still the case with obsidian codex and definitely isnt just a way to edge natlan characters even more to powercreep the old ones. The fact that kachina literally powercreeps chiori in a navia team despite chiori is only out for 6-7 months should speak volumes about this issue of the game

[@martyallen3801]

This guy is talking out of his ass, Ayaka at the time of her release was NOT mid. She was a crazy good character so much so that the "only 3 characters you need" articles and videos had her every.single.time.period. Plus i would've bashed him for his take on Kazuha, but people here have already done it enough.

[@DeadVoxel]

I remember even when I first started playing Genshin (which was back at the beginning of Sumeru, when dendro was already meta), I still thought Ayaka was really good, and at that time I think she wasn't TOO powercrept or outdated unlike now I also recall hearing a lot about the game since it's release WAYY before I played the game. Ayaka was still considered top tier... Everyone was singing praises to her, literally. I don't ever remember a moment where she was considered mid, so I support your comment

[@lemesindong]

Ayaka was mid

[@sylent0253]

she really was.... competed ayaka team at the time ( kokomi wasnt here ) was loosing to hutao her strenght was aoe / big mobs that are freezeable , and her optimal team required 4 5 stars :D something almost nobody had

[@lemesindong]

@@sylent0253 yeah, I mean the moment she lost her burst it's just, trash Too clunky I only used her when it was a mob chamber where I could use venti kokomi n her together Bosses? No Too many better options that are less clunky Hell I'd rather play keqing hyperbloom over her

[@emperorjgaming2266]

Yeah Ayaka was dominating the 2.x era especially since she has the strongest signature weapon in the game along with the highest burst multiplier reaching 4k+ cut and bloom, Mihoyo made sure no enemy becomes freezable or straight have high cryo res/immunity, Ayaka didn't fall off because of her own strength she fall off because of her reaction not being viable and a lot of people aren't committed to give her the resources she need when they can just build hyperbloom and Neuvi.

[@metro13quaino97]

Neuvillette "not working with most characters" is the most batshit insane take I've ever heard about genshin meta and I've heard people saying that hyperbloom was overrated. Good video though.

[@nazarboghosian]

Tbf a C1 neuvillette w furina prob gaps his other teams so much that his other teams won’t be able to dominate meta anymore vs arlechino and maulani so it’s kinda fair since he’s stuck w her to stay on top

[@oldkingcoal4376]

Nothing wrong with saying hyperbloom is overrated.

[@TheArcSet]

When did he say that?

[@darkdragonx650]

Overrated does not mean bad. Someday people will learn basic vocabulary lol. Units or teams can be overrated and still be very strong. I've genuinely seen people saying the nahida double hydro hb team has more speedrunning potential than a c1 r1 hutao. People tend to see something is good and then overrate them, its nothing new. It's like saying xiangling is overrated. Is she overrated by some in the community? Maybe. Is she weak just because some people overrate her? Absolutely not

[@bachy4975]

I wouldn't say Neuvillette and Arlecchino themselves is power creep, their constellations and signature weapons is. With free weapons and at C0, they mainly are just easier to play. They aren't doing that much more damage than other good dps characters. But getting c1-c2 or signature 5* is just a huge upgrade that make them power creep everyone.

[@cinamoonmoon5166]

fck that... one time someone came in with a neuvillette into my word and started blasting everything with little more than a sniff

[@shinobu1886]

No, from a C0 perspective, Neuvilette is a clear winner, and it's not close. It doesn't help the fact that Neuvi's best team is perfect synergy with top 3 supports right now. Majority of players use C0. Arlecchino is not really powercreep.

[@PigeonPie]

Personally unless I am absolutely playing her wrong, my Arlechino with s2 battlepass does not feel significantly stronger than my hu tao - probably because Hu Tao can use Furina (both c0). Unless I play 4 star only teams, then Arlechinno can probably work better. Unless there are lots of enemies I run out of her bond of life really fast, and the lack of healing by others means I either have to play Zhongli - or play really well compared to Hu Tao where I now just brute heal almost everything. So I guess I'm comparing Hu tao almost full health to Arlechinno though without Homa I dont think her being above 50% is a huge damage loss.

[@ISMythix]

​@@shinobu1886at c0 u are going to struggle in top floors without a shielder

[@shinobu1886]

@@ISMythix Not really no

[@maxwu4145]

Neuvillette is not tied to furina lmao, and hes way more flexible than arlecchino. And if you want to talk about needing a unit. Arlecchino actually needs bennet.

[@mihacimpric745]

She doesn't really. She can stack so much attack on her own he's not desperately needed, and she can't heal anyways, making a large part of his kit completely useless. He's an amazing support for her, don't get me wrong, but you can easily not run him for her to absolutely dominate everything in the game. Sincerely, someone whose party she hasn't left since her debut.

[@swissbrick8780]

yeah... my arle with 2pc EM 2pc ATK can put out 100k vapes per NA with just xq and sucrose, really doesnt need bennett. She does absolutely stupid mono pyro damage if you really have to as well

[@Kryo_GTS]

In all fairness, Chiori power creeping Albedo feels warranted given how convoluted and counter intuitive his kit is.

[@sarugakuza5108]

This is Zhongli's fault

[@phyrexian_dude4645]

I dont see the counter intuitive in Albedo when you just use his E and carry on. He was just one of the victims of early Genshin design with buffing the things that his element could care less. But his worst issue is that his elemental skill is as durable as toilet paper and that borderline useless elevator feature.

[@getanutxy]

I still got mad that Chiori power creeping Albedo...and decided not to pull for her My biggest issue is that Albedo E is practically useless when you use him on the environment that instantly destroy geo construct like the one in Liyue Oceanid boss

[@sleet9289]

Albedo was a missed opportunity, they could of had his kit scale off em and make him be a sub dps that could actually provide good crystalize shields. it would at least make his em buff make sense.

[@CelVini]

​@@phyrexian_dude4645his E scales with def, his Q with atk, his passive gives Em, his constellations are awful Nothing makes sense together

[@skyewatchesstuff]

ok but this is nothing like hsr powercreep, I mean, we are still using 1.0 units like XL and XQ

[@entegi]

The average powercreep in general unit powerlevel in gachas is ~50% per year. But I'd even argue genshin has less than that since its release. The big instances people talk about are Neuvilette, who sure, was by far the strongest hydro dps at the time, but hydro characters were never super dps focused. Just on paper he wasnt that much stronger than al haitham when he released. Sure he has better qol like adjustable aoe and being easier to play, but that's the actual acceptable kind of powercreep. Then mualani came around and she actually does have a higher damage ceiling than him, but is worse in aoe than him and is again, harder to play. The arlecchino point is the same, except at C0 she is only ~5-10% stronger than hu tao, but again, has better qol. I think natlan characters so far have a great balance, they are incredibly strong without making other characters feel weak/useless. The thing genshin does that starrail does way too little is introducing new gameplay types. Mualani feels completely different to play from Neuvilette and Kinich feels completely different from Alhaitham. When you look at hsr (i can only talk for the units I pulled), Feixiao just feels like a mix of dr ratio and archeron, Yunli IS just clara but way better and Firefly as much as I love her as a character is just a super break jingliu. I don't want to talk about leaks, but one character in the current hsr beta makes me want to quit the game because they are so blatantly broken

[@_mako]

just wait for 2.7, people will be playing Jing Yuan and Seele again lol

[@entegi]

@@_mako Jing Yuan maybe until theres a better summon dps in 3.0 But why seele?

[@kami761]

HSR is still using Tingyun, Bronya and Pela People still clear content with E0 Jing Yuan Old units get buffed with newers like Harmony Trailblazer and Sunday Herta and Himeko were revived with a whole ass game mode Where's the difference with Genshin?

[@entegi]

@@kami761 tingyun, bronya and even pela arent even close to being comparable to genshin 1.0 4 stars (and bronya isnt a 4 star), all of them except pela for some teams, have just objectively better replacements for them, every dps MASSIVELY outdamages the dpses that came before them. A year ago Dan heng IL and Jingliu were considered by far the best dps characters in the game, now they arent even in the top 5 of dps characters anymore. Imagine instead of being "around on par but ranged" yoimiya had twice the dps of hu tao. The current only incentive HSR has for you to pull for newer characters is that they are a lot stronger than the older ones. Bennet, Xingqiu, Xiangling, Fischl and Sucrose are too this day best in slot in multiple teams, tingyun is usable in a few, but even in those she will be massively powercrept by sunday. And the reason its this bad is because of people like you who just accept this preditory character design with open arms.

[@Senorgato029]

I really disagree with the takes on arlechino and xilonen Xilonen is in many ways a better buffer than kazuha due to better up time and easier setup but the power of kazuha’s personal damage and grouping keeps him on about her level because she has neither of those things Calling arlechino more flexible than neuvillete is insane. Arlechino is tied to Bennett way harder than neuvillete is to furina and neuvillete can slap three non hydro units and call it a functional team. Arlechino has vape, mono pyro(which is kind the same as chevruse), and melt that’s it

[@Senorgato029]

we can agree to disagree but neuvillete is good in vape and taser. Also for arlechino you can’t say she works in “dendro teams” when it’s literally just Emile lol. I stand by neuvillete being way more flexible

[@_mako]

@@Senorgato029 i think flexibility here refers to how big of a difference there is between a character's best team and their other options. yes, you can play Neuv in taser, but the difference in damage compared to his best team is night and day. meanwhile, arle performs fairly evenly in all of her archetypes. you dont lose out on much by playing her in "sub optimal" teams. its not just about the number of teams. its about how close those teams are to the best team.

[@blacksuitedsonic]

@@shinobu1886 Neuvillette is worse than mualani generally. Same with arle. What are you basing this off that he is "so far ahead of the rest"? In abyss speedruns he is consistently 3rd place after you guessed who mualani and arle. And arle is absolutely tied to bennett if she wants to perform well. Not having him has significant impact on her damage. Unless you only care about clearing but at that point this whole discussion is pointless since most character in some combo can clear comfortably

[@shinobu1886]

@@blacksuitedsonic Yeah, I stopped taking it seriously after "Neuvillette is worse than mualani generally."

[@Dark-kp2xv]

@@Senorgato029 you forgot to mention that xilonen at C4/C6 is far better than C4/C6 kazuha and actually does powercreep him at whale levels of investment. Also C2 xilo is slightly better than C2 kazuha in most teams except vape. Xilonen has busted constellations (some of the best in the game) and kazuha has old ancient cons

[@jadecoolness101]

"Neuvillette is so unique and weird that he doesn't work with most characters" The man literally just wants 3 different (2 with C1) off fielders that do consistent off field elemental damage. He is one of the most flexible characters in terms of team building because his only requirement is "an element that reacts with hydro" which, is everything but hydro. Shinobu, Beidou, Kazuha, Zhongli, Nahida, Baizhu, Charlotte, Dehya, Dori, Fischl, Layla, Xiangling, Yaoyao, Sayu, Venti, Albedo, Chiori, and more are entirely functional on his teams. For Aether, Dendro and even Electro can serve Neuvillette's purposes. Quite literally just roll a dice and go nuts, he is one of the most "unga bunga random bs go!" characters in the game. If he's c1,That also fully opens up Furina. He doesn't even need Furina to carry, he's just buffed by her, like 99% of other dps As for the point about Arle not using Furina, Furina is entirely strong enough to offset any negatives she brings to the team. Arle can't be healed but the other 3 party members can. What is this goofy aa take

[@lolwarrior2181]

Oh he works with any off fielders that do consistent off field elemental damage that reacts with hydro? That's great, let me put Tohma real quick.... Oh wait he doesn't work with neuvillette. Your argument is such an oversimplification and it leads to it being wrong. You know who else that wants consistent off fielders? Pretty much everyone. Reaction is a core mechanic that 90% of DPS depends on (unless you're playing geo or mono teams). Speaking off mono teams, neuvillete not working on mono teams already stripped him as a "flexible character". Try taking every possible neuvillete teammates and ask : "Can i use them outside of neuvillete comps", mostly the answer would be yes. But try do the opposite, i doubt it would be the same And here's another one, neuvillete doesn't do NA, so say goodbye to yelan, xq, thoma, etc. XL technically could work but her battery bennett does nothing for neuvillette. And those are exactly why "Neuvillette is so unique and weird that he doesn't work with most characters". He's a HP scaling CA dps. We do not have any HP scaler buff unlike EM/ATK and CA bonus damage/interaction is very rare to come by

[@zierk4940]

@@lolwarrior2181 Just wanted to point out that Beidou's coordinated attacks are unique in that they can trigger off of charged attacks.

[@lolwarrior2181]

@@zierk4940 oh yeah forgot about that, my bad.

[@Sunrose-]

@@lolwarrior2181Compared to other characters like say, Lyney, I think Neuvillette is very flexible. He doesn’t work in mono teams but MOST characters don’t want a mono team that’s not necessarily a Neuvillette exclusive problem. He may not have a dedicated buffer but he doesn’t NEED a dedicated buffer. You are likely to have something that’ll work with him regardless and he does enough damage on his own that you don’t necessarily have to optimize his team comp, something that a lot of DPS units can’t boast

[@yep456]

​@@lolwarrior2181C6 thoma works pretty well with Neuvillete. *-*

[@jc36919]

I came in already having tempered my expecations, knowing your perspective comes from someone who consistently gets constellations. But man, you should have really framed this from that angle, cause without taking constellations into account, this video is highly, WILDLY innacurate. Yes, constellation powercreep IS absolutely real. But without them? No, this just isn't really true. Kazuha was definitely not powercrept by Xilonen, she has no damage and no grouping, Kazuha actually has some personal damage and groups. They are on par, even if Xilonen's boost lasts longer, because they offer different things of value ON TOP of their shred. You can argue she powercreeps him at C2, cause Kazuha's constellations kinda suck. But again, that is not the baseline for any character. Neuvillette was definitely NOT powercrept by Arlecchino. He is still better than her! And definitely not dependant on Furina, at all. Furina is his best support, yes, But a C0 Neuvillette can clear Abyss on his own. The man doesn't need Furina to be the best dps in the game. And it is given how the nature of the hardest content in the game is structured that Arlecchino is "way better" than Hu Tao. Look, man. I don't even like Hu Tao, but her damage output is on par with Arlecchino's (on paper!). It's just the way Arlecchino can frontload it that makes her better for things like Abyss, and the fact she is not dependant on vaporize for her damage, which you can argue is the ACTUAL thing that makes her better, her flexibility. Hell, even that comment about Raiden being "a crazy DPS at the time" is a blatant lie? People were complaining pretty wildly when she released, that she wasn't strong enough. And her "crazy strength" usually comes from her C2. Nowadays she is best used as a hyperbloom trigger...that's not actually completely true, she is a FINE DPS, that is mean of me. Definitely not "crazy" levles, tho. Like, come on, man. This is silly. And don't get me started on the "powercreep is healthy, actually" comment. Geez, this is just really out of touch. All in all, a pretty jstern take, and that is not a good thing.

[@cinamoonmoon5166]

neuvillette is the biggest bullshit character ive seen since i returned

[@goens7776]

What did Jstern even say lmao? Is this about Albedo and Chiori?

[@SuperSone]

Actually she wouldn't power creep him at c2 if it's a fair setting and he is also c2. They would just get a big enough difference in what they buff better.

[@walking-the-flower-path]

True. If you want powercreep, go play HSR.

[@tracer4b]

Obviously Arlecchino is considered better because she’s better at the endgame combat modes? That doesn’t make her advantage invalid, in fact if anything it makes it the most relevant thing. Qiqi is the best coop raid healer but that’s not what the combat content in this game is so it’s not a relevant point

[@kirkalmeida]

Grouping is more valuable than healing, especially when it comes to single-character healing. Even if you disagree, it's by no means as straightforward as you make it sound. Xilonen is more convenient with her longer duration, but Kazuha does more damage and can apply elements, which is especially relevant in teams like Aggravate. Ultimately, Xilonen is easier and safer to play but has a lower ceiling than Kazuha if you're playing him correctly. That's more than enough reason to prefer her, but calling this power creep is just plain wrong.

[@bunnyfur2]

Yeah I didn’t think Xilonen powercreeped Kazuha either. I feel this is just another Xiniqu and Yelan situation where Yelan is a bit better but doesn’t outshine the other.

[@cinamoonmoon5166]

ok now try to defend neuvillette and arlechino

[@bunnyfur2]

@@cinamoonmoon5166 Well there’s no one to really compare Nuevilette to, and I do think arlechinno is better than Hu Tao. Her playstyle is just so much better and you can get bigger damage out of her easier. Tho I may be biased cuz I’m an arlechinno main lol.

[@kiamehrkhademizadeh2676]

​​​@@bunnyfur2idk with mauvika, maulani might become the best who knows and the only reason for arle you brought up hu tao was because their playstylea are close to each other I guess

[@kirkalmeida]

​@@cinamoonmoon5166Sure, I can do that. Neuvillette and Arlecchino are two characters who were released in the previous region, and since then, 19 and 10 characters, respectively, have been released after them-yet arguably, none are stronger. If anything, they are the best argument against power creep. It's been more than a year since Neuvillette was released, and they still haven't introduced a stronger character.

[@onlymylovable]

I'm just glad that genshin powercreep is not as outrageous as hsr's. I still 36 star abyss with hutao/xingqiu/yelan/zhongli and nahida/raiden/furina/kokomi, didn't even pull for any 4.X - 5.X characters besides furina. In HSR my 1.X units are left in the dust besides dr ratio and himeko, literally haven't touched seele in months and I have her sig lc. I only ever use jingliu in the overworld now and she too has her sig lc. Don't get me started on supports, I've never touched my E2 bronya for months now that I have sparkle ruanmei and robin

[@Eclipsee7]

Who let bro cook

[@shinobu1886]

Venti should be buffed. Imo, no Archon should be totally powercrept. Even a slight Raiden buff would be nice

[@DeadVoxel]

Definitely. Zhongli got buffed for example. Although sadly, it was only due to backlash from the CN community if I remember correctly

[@1Kitsune1]

My venti murders everything, he has not been power crept, he just gives er instead of em so he's still great in abyss with lots of enemies and especially works great with Raiden and Nahida and Kokomi. E,E,E- Burst-done.

[@shinobu1886]

@@1Kitsune1 Venti is objectively far worse than Kazuha. Venti wants EM & ER, just like Kazuha. Especially when enemies aren't even groupable.

[@hnnnnnsp2296]

To say that Xilonen straight up power crept Kazuha is just incorrect, I’m saying this as someone who has and loves them both and hopes to get their signature weapons someday. Unless you’re talking about C2 Xilonen vs C2 Kazuha with signature weapons, then yeah I’m pretty sure she does powercreep him in that area. But aside from a few teams where Xilonen is an upgrade, at C0 with f2p weapons Kazuha is still strong and just as good as Xilonen which is great! Having 2 S tier supports is better than having 1, and the fact that you can pair them together is even better!

[@kami761]

Popwercreep doesn't always equal to bigger numbers If Xilonen has exactly same buffs but is easier to use and less restrictive then she is better thus powercrept Kazuha

[@ISMythix]

​​​​@@kami761kazuha has grouping, elemental reapplication, can double swirl easier than xilonen can double crystallise, and good off field dmg in reaction based teams so no xilonen hasn't just 'powercrept' kazuha because they don't just do the same thing, an example of powercreep is chiori to albedo because pretty much everything in their kit is the same but chiori jus does a lot more dmg

[@SaikeeKonosukeLuc]

commendable , but still you can't swirl geo damage

[@ISMythix]

@@SaikeeKonosukeLuc same with how xilo can't crystallise Anemo what is ur point

[@vipulkanodia3191]

The difference comes where xilonen works with furina but kazuha doesn't while both have similar buffs themselves. I mean working well with the best unit in the game (imo) is kinda better

[@Zirr0hh]

You can call it cope, But I'll give my opinion on the whole Hu Tao vs Arle comment. At similar investment, they're around the same. I.e, c0/1 and r1. What makes Hu Tao so powerful is her total disregard of icd. If the enemy has an element on them, she WILL react with it. With characters like XQ and Yelan, it's very easy to vape every hit. Which is a huge advantage compared to every reaction focused dps. She is also still decently ahead of Arle when it comes to single target. Because Arle cannot vape every hit, she makes up for it with larger scaling on her attacks, making it so things like mono and overload are effective. Arle is also easier to play, given you don't have to worry about jump/dash canceling (Which I don't find too difficult, but I have been playing Hu Tao since she first released so I have some muscle memory built up). However, she is squishier than Hu Tao, and lacks the interrupt res, but if you're skilled at dodging then it's not much of an issue. Where Arle DOES powercreep Hu Tao, is in her constellations. The immediate one that comes to mind is her c3, which buffs her na and ca, instead of just her skill/burst, which is huge. in addition none of her constellations are bad, whereas with Hu Tao, everything after c1 is just mid at best. Even her c6 is very unreliable, which as a whole is both good and bad, as she does not need your entire life savings to make perfect, but also has a lower dmg ceiling. But this is true for all 1.0 - 2.0 characters, imo. Hu Tao also has the added benefit of being able to fit in Furina comfortably, but that also has it's draw backs, such as making both her sig weapon's bonus and her ascension talent basically useless, but the buffs provided can most certainly outweigh what's lost. At the end of the day, at max possible Investment, Arle does powercreep Hu Tao. but since most players don't get c6 r5 of every character, I think it's safe to say they're on the same playing field. Personally, I use both. Hu Tao in a Furina Yelan core, and Arle in a Cheveruse overload core. Arle is far more comfortable in AoE, and Hu Tao has a much easier time shredding through bosses. A perfect example of this is the most recent event. My Arle Team had a much easier time fighting the 3 Kenki's, while Hu tao had an extra rotation or two on her runs because of only being able to hit one at a time, While Hu Tao's team had a faster clear time on the new Natlan dendro boss with the inflated health pool, compared to Arle's team. All in all, this is the way to do powercreep. the new characters should feel better to play compared to old ones, but not to the point where the older units seem pointless to pull if you still like them more. What Genshin is doing is fine, Imo. Hsr, on the other hand... All I know is that I've given up on actually playing the game, and just pull and use characters that I like, as It feels impossible to keep up with the meta as a day 1 f2p. (Also a little extra about Hu Tao. If you want to invest in her further, don't pull for her personal cons, focus instead on her supports. Yelan c2 and c4 are big power boosts for her, and Furina c1 and c2 allow you to let you keep her >50% passive. I run her with Zhongli still, and am able to max out Furina's buff just by having her heal while getting the rotation set up, and swapping her back to Dmg before Hu Tao takes field. All while still having every ca being buffed by Furina's buff before it's duration ends.)

[@gigyro]

W take, it annoys me when the community just assumes one character is better than the other, especially with the Hu Tao Arle case, everyone just seems to think Arle is so much stronger when in reality they're the same at C0.

[@gigyro]

Also I have furina C2 does Hu Tao's team no longer require a healer at C2?

[@zerk343]

I think at single target hutao and arlechinno are pretty equal but arlechinno has better aoe and thats her main advantage tbh

[@Marz333]

All that just for Arlechinono to still be better she literally just has higher numbers at a baseline stop coping man😭

[@Zirr0hh]

@@gigyro In my experience, yes, you can use her without a healer. You lose out on some of her personal dmg but I think the gain you can receive instead outweighs it personally. I use key on furina with full hp mainstats and as much er on subs. my personal rotation for my hu tao team is; Furina E -> Q -> CA to swap to healing, Swap to yelan(c1) E -> E -> Q, Swap to Zhongli, Hold E, Swap back to Furina to CA and swap back to dmg mode, then Hu Tao E and CA spam. as long as you don't get hit any during the rotation and get knocked back, you should have 10 - 9 seconds of furina's burst buff. You should have the buff maxed out at this point as well, but if not Hu Tao activating her skill will drain enough to proc it at that point. (Also incase you're wondering, Zhongli is on 4pc Instructors with black tassel, Yelan on Emblem with elegy, Furina on key with full hp, and Hu Tao on crimson witch with homa)

[@lakytheshiba123]

8:30 I think important fact to mention is that Mualani is not that much of a single target dps as people make her seem to be. She stacks faster with 3+ enemies around and doesnt lose that huge amount of dmg to the side targets compared to the main target. I would say the biggest difference between these two is their range. Neuvi can simply shoot anyone from high distance while Mualani needs to run to them.

[@kyoken8691]

Mualani has a maximum limit of 6 enemies hit, 1 main bite +5 shark missiles. Neuvillette on the other hand has no limit. But it's extremely rare to find any endgame mode with more than 7 enemies on the field at the same time.

[@Dinoking-tatsumaki_simp]

Wow it's been a long time since I have seen somebody misunderstand some characters so much first off no arle is not more flexible than nevi lol he does not require furina to be on his team but do you know who arle requires on literally all of her teams Bennett it's like she's tied to him like a ball and chain putting that aside there's no world where she's more flexible than nevi lol one he's hydro 2 he has a passage that literally makes you want to play with three different random characters and he's not going to lose much damage off of it because he already does so much dmg he could literally be a driver for almost every bad character in the game especially the ones that have like bad defensive utility like xinyin lol and also he's hydro literally the most flexible element in the entire game it's not close Oh and one other thing no xilonen did not power creep kazuha lmao she's a side grade they could both be used on the same team or on different sides of the abyss not to mention they literally just announced the reaction buffs so kazuha is getting buffed one patch immediately after she came out which is wild on top of the fact that he already had grouping and more damage while she supplies healing and technically an easier buff to set up she's definitely an amazing character I'm not trying to say she's not but saying she power creeps him it's just not true and tells me you don't know what power creep is apparently

[@Dinoking-tatsumaki_simp]

Tldr never cook again please it is very clear that you don't actually understand the meta next time maybe you should collab with somebody who does that way you're actually getting your information right

[@xyippee]

i agree but this is very hard to read

[@leukos22]

I just can't get behind the idea that Xilonen powercreeps Kazuha because there are only three teams where she's a marked improvement: Neuvilette (which uses Kazuha too), Navia and Mualani. In literally every other team comp it is either a wash in damage or a damage loss.

[@gravelor78]

-Longer buff duration -Works with Furina I think that still counts technically as powercreep.

[@DeadVoxel]

​@@gravelor78 she only "powercreeps" the buff duration in this case though. And even then that's not powercreeping the UNIT, that's just being more convenient at applying the buffs that they happen to share. Overall they both serve completely different purposes, and I doubt you would slap Xilonen into a Hyperbloom or an Aggravate team. Or Spread, for that matter And working with Furina... That's honestly not important. You can put Kazuha and still add another healer into the team, depending on what you're running. You also can't have Furina in EVERY team or situation. And you also can't have Xilonen paired with Furina all the time. So why does it matter? They're essentially just a side grade to each other. They're like Yelan and Xingqiu, except they're not even the same element. They still do different things, like Kazuha's ability to swirl and group It doesn't count as powercreep if you still need an extra unit to make them do said "powercreep". If Xilonen were to be superior to Kazuha in every way with her RAW kit alone, then yeah. But she's not. They may both apply similar buffs, but they also have different abilities. You can't say that Kazuha swirls better than Xilonen because she doesn't swirl, nor can you say that Xilonen heals better than Kazuha because he doesn't heal. There's nothing to powercreep really

[@fzhs7030]

she isnt even bis with navia lmao, but people arent ready for that convo

[@generalalatusfallingin]

Most end game content can be beaten without the most undisputed “meta” characters. If you have the necessary skill and knowledge to master the game and the appropriate amount of investment, you should not care about the meta. Yes, certain characters and teams are better in different types of content and even if their performance is dependent on the available content, they can still be considered valuable due to their strengths. As an example, imagine that Floor 12 of the Spiral Abyss has hydro immune enemies like Oceanid Summons and the Hydro Tulpa. Neuvillette and Mualani are extremely favorable candidates to hold the status of top tier DPSs in the game. Even if the Spiral Abyss has hydro immune enemies, this does not mean they are no longer “meta,” because they can still excel in different types of content. You can base a character’s strength on their damage output, consistency, flexibility, utility, so on and so forth. Still, it’s important to consider the challenges present in the current end game content and the undeniable truth that power creep exists. Even if “meta” is always changing, you can always beat the end game with the proper skill, knowledge and investment.

[@tracer4b]

If they started putting hydro immune enemies in every floor Neuvillette and Mualani would get less powerful, yes. This happened to Venti and Ayaka when they started putting unsuckable/unfreezable enemies in abyss. I don’t understand what the point is

[@generalalatusfallingin]

@@tracer4b The point is if a character is not favored in the current end game content, their performance goes down. However, the character can still be relevant in different types of content. Venti and Kazuha are very strong in Floors 9-11 of the Abyss because they can easily take advantage of the small, group able enemies. Venti can lack overall performance when it comes to Floor 12, as the Abyss floor does not favor groupers, but his niche can still be very strong in the early Floors of Abyss and even some artifact domains.

[@Desticy]

People still downplaying Mualani is crazy after all this time and the obvious crush of any dps in abyss and I just cant believe that dashing into an enemy 3x is so hard that this is what holds casuals back 💀💀💀

[@MojtaAS]

these takes rival vars in their stupidity lmao

[@m0narch557]

11:49 mans just made this video to flex a near 40cv sands

[@GAMBAZEN]

Thats an average stat, i have several 50+ cvs artifacts.😅

[@m0narch557]

@GAMBAZEN tbf this domain is still relatively new. I've been on and off farming this domain for kinich and still don't have that many great pieces yet.

[@tfydreamt]

@@GAMBAZENsheesh my highest cv artifact is 49.8 😭, can’t get a 50 cv one for the life of me

[@kami761]

@@GAMBAZEN this is no where near average In 2 years of farming I have like 2 40CV artifacts and 0 50 CV

[@mihailmojsoski4202]

​@@kami761 trash the piece if everything doesn't go into crit, ez 40 CV

[@r.e.z9428]

As a Dehya main, I have no such issue.

[@malvoleus]

Not a Dehya main but my C3R1 Dehya gets a lot of field time so I'm with you on this one.

[@r.e.z9428]

@ I got her C6, I find her gameplay really fun, but shes not powercreeping anyone. She does have some utility though and can tank a bit.

[@saturnalia_]

5:08 this is the first time i have ever heard marechausse hunter pronounced like this. i had to rewind the video three times 😭

[@xrl8226]

if anyb wondering how to, the dumbed down pronunciation is like ma-re-sho-se

[@Enloxity]

The thing about power creep, is that it would be completely fine, if they didn’t base enemies damage and health number based on the best characters. You see, if genshin stopped raising enemies health, and spiral abyss, some characters would simply be better than others, but all would be able to perform well enough. I personally think that Genshin should buff older characters to keep up with the new ones

[@why_is_every_username_used]

The raccoon showing us where in the video we are is crazy

[@lyngaming7912]

for me xilonen isnt powercreep kazuha at all, she is side grade to kazuha. because in genshin, team damage is really good if you dont have very strong main dps. and kazuha have that strong damage as a support. so for me kazuha is for team damage gameplay, and xilonen is for hypercarry team because she basicly dont do damage at all as a support and just buff team party. so for me use kazuha if you have mediocre dps, and use xilonen if you have strong hypercarry like neuvilet, arlenccino, mulani ect.

[@Sezenian]

The sad part is that many old characters we've come to know and love are being called "weak" now... And knowing HoYo is not allowed to change the Characters themselves, for those of us with older Mains, our only hope is that we will get some Character-specific artefacts or something like that...

[@Siscon92]

I don’t mind the power creep. I quit Genshin before Yelan was released and came back during the Xilonen banner. Added her to my team and immediately 36* the last 2 Abyss. That means the game can’t have such a big problem if you can still clear all content with basically teams from 2 years ago + a new powercreep unit

[@bighat8794]

That final line about star rail was the most important part of the video

[@akashneogi]

Navia belongs in this list too, she's wayyy better than any other geo dps we had before

[@mikofanboy9711]

Nah She good at being front load damage but her dps doesn't surpass Itto Damage per screen shot she is ahead with her nuke front load damage But consistent damage per second Itto is better

[@Saharsh__Raj]

@@mikofanboy9711 I agree that Navia doesn't belong in this list but she is miles better than Itto even in damage per second

[@kami761]

Her only competition is like 2 year older Itto..

[@zerk343]

​@@mikofanboy9711 holy cope

[@fzhs7030]

@@mikofanboy9711 you're completely wrong actually, she does surpass itto in dps, by a pretty wide margin too, but she also has frontload, which you cant just ignore since its an advantage, making her perform better in practice than on paper, itto struggles to pass 60k dps lmao, thats worse than cyno.

[@yoroskon435]

Powercreep is for casual players, real man plays all characters 🗿

[@iv6436]

your takes are atrocious. Ayaka and Hu Tao were arguably the strongest DPSes in 2.X patch. And how Yelan is more impactful than Kazuha? Thumb down

[@Fyrebawl]

I wouldnt say xilonen powercrept kazuha. I would say sidegrade cause yes she has healing and longer uptime but kazuha has grouping and way more personal damage so depending on what you need one might be better than the other situationally.

[@Patecraft]

xilonen is more like a side-grade rather than powercreep

[@joe_simon]

Not a very good video. Has Genshin powercreep? Yes, in certain parts Cons: Absolutely. Newer cons are usually much more busted than old chars. Weapon: Yeah, we got stronger and stronger personal weapons at the cost of makimg them less and less universal. This means newer 5* have often a big difference in power with their personal and their 2nd best in slot. Feature/Overworld Creep: Yeah. Chars: Yes, but not by a lot. First noticble powercreep was Nahida. She killed of most other Dendro options. Baizhu could compete in Aggravate teams but otherwise eh. (The 1.0 stuff isn't really poeercreep because the base is so low. And 2.0 was roughly always on the same level) Neuvillette. But not because he was so much stronger than other carries pure number wise. He really wasn't outside of heavy AoE. He was just better with his Overloaded kit and ease of use. He set a new standard but he wasn't the peak if we just talk about damage. Furina wasn't really powercreep as a character. She buffed most chars equally. Only a few lost didn't get much better. But what hse did powercreep was powerceilijg for some chars. Chiori vs. Albedo. Yeah, but it has to do with Albedos terrible base power. Hoyoverse must completly undertuned him and not powercreeping him would hold Geo back as a whole. Sadly. Arlecchino...Arle vs. Hu Tao. You could say Arle is powercreep to Hu Tao but at the same time Arle is mostly comfier combowise and teamwise but is tied to circle impact and is significantly more squishy while Hu Tao has bulk and interruption resistance. And their damage isn't even far apart. Mostly very similar. So, Powercreep? Maybe but on a such an scale that i don't really consider it to matter too much. And your Neuvillette take was terrible. Arle cannot use Furina? This can be a downside too you know. Add the fact that Neuvillette wasn't the damage peak even pre Arle. And that Arle is tied to Bennett while Neuvillette doesn't care about cirlce impact. This is mostly new toy snydrom talk and ignoring downsides of Arle. Mualani: Yesn't. She did powercreep Speedrunning and damage ceiling but most (outside of Speedrunning) don't talk about it. Why? Because this stuff doesn't matter to most people. Why? Because her kit isn't as overloaed as Neuvillette. And more people value this a lot more. So did she powercreep? Kinda, but not in a way people most people care. She still is in balance with other top carries with an advantage in a certain area (Speedruns) Xilonen: No. Teams which need Kazuhas infusion or off field damage still prefer him by a lot. Content with CC still prefers him. In some mutliwave content Xilonen is better. She is better with Furina (but a lot of these teams still use Kazuha because he is so good or use another healer that buffs with Kazuha). She has no existing damage and Kazuha has some much easier double swirl techs thanks to Bennett which makes him and Sucrose better in some Vape teams but in some Vape teams Xilonen is better. A great example is VV Vape Hu Tao vs. Double Hydro Hu Tao. VV Vape maxes Hu Taos damage while in double Hydro Hu Tao does good damage but her lower damage is compensated by buffing your Hydros to make up for the lost buff on Hu Tao. People saying Xilonen > Kazuha is something i can agree with even if i don't think so but it is such s small difference that this doesn't really matter especially because Kazuha is valuble in certain strong teams or they are just equal to each other.

[@xanaviii]

Mualani powercrept the DMG ceiling, and absolutely power crept speed running. Her QoL, *team* and AoE DPS are what's inferior Neuv. But that's because he can use teammates like Furina who contribute their own dmg, whereas Mualani has to carry the majority share on her own. Mauvika might be what pushes Mualani teams over the top.

[@user-ot4ly9dp1c]

The funny part is that Mualani actually has pretty solid AoE compared to most DPS characters. But Neuvillette's AoE reach and spread is so insane to the point a DPS would literally have to the same thing with a better setup to even compete.

[@yourlocalyanfei]

Yeah, her and Kinich are both suffering from not having any good off field pyro options aside from Xiangling, but even then she’s not great because Xiangling’s energy issues along with Mualani not really wanting Bennet and Kinich’s movement halting oyronado from hitting as consistently make her kinda meh. That’s why I feel and hope that Mavuika has to be some kind of good off field pyro app

[@1Albedo]

@@yourlocalyanfei But xiangling isn't the only good option for mualani or kinich? (Well, at least not the only one for their *burn* teams.) There's dehya, who has more than enough pyro app for both kinich and mualani plus some resistance to interuption. Then we have thoma, another great off field pyro option who works just as well, if not better than dehya. Heck, even xinyan to some extent can help out a ton with the pyro app. Only thing different between them all is their different ways of applying defense to the player, and when compaired to xiangling, their general lack of damage. And sure, you can make the argument that damage is always better than convenience if you're good enough (i.e their furina teams vs their burn teams), but i'd argue that xiangling's problems warrant the other options be put on the table, or at least be considered about when first making a team. Because let's be honest here, not everybody can play a perfect mualani rotation. You're probably even playing half her best theoretical rotation with how short certain buffs last for (...well except with xilonen's). but that still, ofc, does not fix the pyro application problem that mualani has with her teams that use xiangling. so...

[@akilon996]

@@1Albedo All of those options are utter dogshit compared to Xiangling + buffers for Mualani

[@1Albedo]

@@akilon996 you missed my point, but ok. if you want to play off the back of someone who has severe ER issues and lack of defensive capabilities so you could deal more damage, then by all means be my guest.

[@RandomPerson-cf3gt]

With kazuha vs xilonen is crowd control vs healing.

[@tensei0545]

Did you get your script from watch mojo because wtf

[@raioh4747]

I get it but also, Genhsin has never been a game that pushes meta, if you are a good player you can do 90% of the game with very underleved characters, I still see ppl rocking Amber. If you are a bad player, you can still do everything with like 1 or 2 well built characters in a decent team comp. And I say this because it is very strange to see creators talk about power levels in this game. I think most ppl who play genshin pull chars based on if they like them or not, this kind of game just wouldn't work if I couldn't use fav characters for everything. Imagine paying good money for someone like best boy Albedo and finding out he can't keep up no matter what, that player would drop the game. Every time I see a genshin creator metion meta it makes me kinda sad, it just feeds the worst players in the community, you know the ones, they all play wanderer and use hate speech against mondstat characters

[@ArrowAlter]

call this copium all you want, but i don't think there's much power creep in the game even now: neuvillette is obviously very strong, but most of his value comes from his ease of use- braindead gameplay that heals you and has a huge aoe will always appeal to the playerbase. in fact, i think that's the main reason why he's seen as so strong. his dps itself is not game-breaking, just very high. furina is not power creep. if anything, she made older characters more viable (dps and healers) while not REPLACING any buffers currently in the game. she's just a very good character with a unique kit design. chiori is definitely power creep, but i don't think anyone cares tbh. albedo already had a very weird kit while not even being viable in most teams. even the five remaining albedo mains will just pair him with chiori. arlecchino is similar to neuvillette in that her value comes from her ease of use. unlike hu tao, she doesn't need to do cancels or even have an optimal rotation. that being said, there's no actual reason to compare her to hu tao. like said in the video, arlecchino isn't tied to furina while furina is one of hu tao's best supports. you can easily use them both without any unit overlap. for example, you could use xingqiu, furina, and xianyun with hu tao while using yelan, bennett and kazuha with arlecchino. arlecchino's dps on paper is also not game-breaking, but in practice her frontload makes her clear faster. arlecchino is probably the hardest character to defend here. xilonen is, in my opinion, not even better than kazuha. the main differences between the two are: kazuha has a little more buffing, easier double swirl setups (compared to double crystalize), actual personal damage, and provides grouping, while xilonen has healing and a longer duration. this means that furina teams will usually prefer xilonen, but there aren't many teams that actually use furina and kazuha without bennett. xilonen's longer buff duration only matters in wriothesley teams afaik. i think most of your takes are affected by the fact that you have vertically invested into most of these characters, in which case, their upgrades make them outshine the alternatives by a lot. so power creep is mostly an issue for very low investment players (who find these characters easy to build and play, especially mobile players) and very high investment players (who might vertically invest and note the huge difference in power).

[@Areyouinsane_231]

I agree with you If only more people understand like you

[@ArrowAlter]

@@Areyouinsane_231 ty for reading

[@hahenjiunndipashmartlex75]

>neuvillette is obviously very strong, but most of his value comes from his ease of use- braindead gameplay that heals you and has a huge aoe will always appeal to the playerbase. in fact, i think that's the main reason why he's seen as so strong. his dps itself is not game-breaking, just very high. Which should be enough to be considered an issue. Mihoyo usually makes ease of use and high damage a trade off, you can only have either one or another. If both it should be the middle of the line. Neuvi have essentially everything without needing to sacrifice one or another, completely disregards the need of an element system , and is so "flexible" the only thing he needs for a team comp is 3 other different element as your teammate >furina is not power creep. if anything, she made older characters more viable (dps and healers) while not REPLACING any buffers currently in the game. she's just a very good character with a unique kit design. Tho to a lesser degree of offence, she does kinda made neuvi's gap with older dpses even wider. So I wouldnt say shes completely innocent > chiori is definitely power creep, but i don't think anyone cares tbh. albedo already had a very weird kit while not even being viable in most teams. even the five remaining albedo mains will just pair him with chiori. Issue being that she first powercreeps a unit that most already dont care, so why bother in the first place......and then she gets powercreep by a walking artifact in navia's team > arlecchino is similar to neuvillette in that her value comes from her ease of use. unlike hu tao, she doesn't need to do cancels or even have an optimal rotation. that being said, there's no actual reason to compare her to hu tao. like said in the video, arlecchino isn't tied to furina while furina is one of hu tao's best supports. you can easily use them both without any unit overlap. for example, you could use xingqiu, furina, and xianyun with hu tao while using yelan, bennett and kazuha with arlecchino. arlecchino's dps on paper is also not game-breaking, but in practice her frontload makes her clear faster. arlecchino is probably the hardest character to defend here. Same issue with neuvillette, too flexible while dealing high damage, disregards elemental reaction system completely ,all while having essentially better yoimiya's playstyle > xilonen is, in my opinion, not even better than kazuha. the main differences between the two are: kazuha has a little more buffing, easier double swirl setups (compared to double crystalize), actual personal damage, and provides grouping, while xilonen has healing and a longer duration. this means that furina teams will usually prefer xilonen, but there aren't many teams that actually use furina and kazuha without bennett. xilonen's longer buff duration only matters in wriothesley teams afaik. She mostly fine, but I do have a slight problem with her. Kazuha at least needs you to balance out em and er so hes not completely braindead in building. Xilonen? Literally lvl 70 with talent lvl 8 and 4* cinder city would put you at around the same level of buff a 1k em kazuha does Also, why make a geo buffer that heals if youre gonna completely block them from being able to be used to heal in mono geo itto teams unless shes c2. Is mono geo not investment heavy enough for them or whaat

[@silverhairedsamurai27]

Yep totally agree

[@ArrowAlter]

@@hahenjiunndipashmartlex75 neuvillette is definitely an issue, esp with such a boring playstyle, but the issue isnt power creep. he's often very exaggerated as well. arlecchino only has really high dps if you run her without a shielder, for which you will at least need some degree of skill. unlike yoimiya, who if you play without a shielder just loses damage instead. idrc about how easy characters are to build tbh, unless there's something that locks them out of being viable for a f2p player.

[@HonestToCritic]

You choose to make a powercreep video right before the upcoming patch that buffs weaker reactions lol. You did something similar before too, making a negative QOL video right as we got a ton of QOL features lol. Idk if you're just pessimistic, but Genshin is in a better place than it has been in a LONG time... 🤷

[@JOSHUAj519]

Sorry, “Power-creep” never existed in Genshin. “Power-creep” means if you don’t have that specific character, you can’t play the game at all. Truth is, I still see some people are able to full clear spiral abyss with starter 4 stars, in most recent patches. Not to mention other game modes that are generally much easier. New characters in this game only brings trends according to player base. Players can still choose to use out-fashioned playstyles(Such as Physical superconduct teams)and still clear the game.

[@skeletalknight]

11:25 That ATK sands you rolled…I need it…

[@D3lt44]

If you look at everyone from a C0 to C1 perspective, a ton of 1.x characters are still top tier and the "powercreep" is barely noticable, if at all. It's just constellations where the real powercreep happens- (And considering how the vast majority of players do not invest in constellations and just get more characters instead, this issue is really only a thing for dolphins/whales)

[@projectgg9715]

That is just straight up wrong. The "strongest f2p" guy gets ~0:50sec times on Feast of Pursuit hardest difficulty, using a low investment Neuvillette, and dolphin Furina/Kazuha. If he used a 1.0 dps like Hutao, his times would be 1:30+ at best.

[@Eduardomscarvalho]

saying NEUVILLETTE of all people isn't as flexible as Arlecchino is crazy talk. the world record abyss speedrun was made with a team of Neuvillette/Childe/Xilonen/Chiori. Neuvillette's only limitation is hydro immune enemies, he is the definition of flexibility

[@CelestialQueenLollipop]

Arle doesn't powercreep Hu Tao that much. At C0, Hu Tao has more advantages than Arle. The powercreep only happens with more investment like Constellations and her signature weapon (which is actually pretty good). However, the amount of people who's actually going to whale or spend that much on characters is not a lot. It's funny how a random ahh funeral parlor director from patch 1 is still one of the strongest pyro DPS and it took an entire Fatui Harbinger (4th in ranking) to powercreep her. What is Zhongli feeding her

[@yourlocalyanfei]

Yeah lol. I would disagree a bit tho since in my experience Arle is a lot less expensive than Hu Tao. Hu Tao’s best team wants 2 or 3 limited 5 stars and her C1, while Arle can get by with a mostly f2p team. That’s just my opinion tho

[@gigyro]

@@yourlocalyanfei What makes Arle a more appealing character than Hu Tao is not her damage (they're about the same) rather her team versatility, as you say she can outperform Hu Tao with F2P supports, and is a lot easier to play.

[@danish2.012]

I agree with you, arle didn't powercreep hutao so much. Hutao these days can be played either charged or plunging playstyle while arle is restricted to normal attack for the best performance. Hutao's plunge, her xianyun furina and yelan is one of the strongest teams out there and the one of the best hutao teams rn (if you say double hydro xingqiu yelan zhongli, i am sorry it has been outdated since the release of furina). The dmg of the plunging is not to be underestimated (often deals above 100k) and its advantage is that it doesn't need c1 which many people are forced to get her c1 bcs of the stamina issue. However, arle has more team variations than hutao, not just vaporize. Hutao is restricted to vaporize because of her big heavy attack similar to mualani. Arle, like neuvilette, can perform in many teams outside vaporize. Her team building is so versatile, mono pyro, burning with emilie, overload with chevreuse and double geo and pyro. Arle also has infinity pyro infusion which doesn't disappear when arle is swapped out unlike hutao. Arle's investment is a lot less expensive than hutao as she has many f2p teams to excel in combat. Meanwhile, hutao needs c1 to be played smoothly or be played with xianyun and furina, plunging playstyle which the main downside is that it's very expensive (needing furina and xianyun)

[@plvto1]

we just not gonna talk about ratheil getting these crazy ass artifacts while he's yapping?

[@barny541]

0:37 Yeah, you were right and still are. HoYo only gives new characters slight improvements to older ones. It's like we'll have to wait 3 more years to finally get a character kit that we'll truly be satisfied with. For example: Chasca gets released soon, but her flying abilities outside of Natlan are just Wanderer's but 3 seconds longer and better controls. I wanted to be able to fly for minutes at a time with her in Chenyu Vale, but i guess that's just a fever dream now... 😞

[@darkdude1996ify]

Imo it's pretty much just the standard of characters has gone up 1 tier, so now the new characters are starting to match the strongest older characters. Inazuma and Sumeru mostly had A and B tier dps characters, and Fontaine and Natlan bumped that up to S and A tier. It's arguable that Hu Tao was always an S tier, so she just got some companions up there. Similarly with supports, Kazuha simply got some more friends up in the S tier now. I do think the standards for characters have gone up, and Abyss and even overworld have scaled with that to some extent. I'd argue that Hyperbloom was the onset of powercreep. They introduced a new baseline for damage with Hyperbloom, something that everyone can achieve, and if you want "better" teams/characters, you pull on the new banners. Furina and Xianyun pulled up some of the older characters, so the sense of powercreep is not quite as strong, since older characters are "still viable".

[@kkobayashi9882]

You are over exaggerating takes

[@ceobe108]

You could at least point out which takes.

[@banjoowo4001]

Obviously someone will always defend a billion dollar company's bad game design

[@Whafflio]

@@banjoowo4001power creep in a gacha game. Wow

[@DeadVoxel]

@@banjoowo4001 saying that someone OVER exaggerated their take isn't the same as defending. There is powercreep in the game, and obviously some game design choices aren't ideal. But what's wrong with correcting people on the fact that their takes aren't accurate?

[@maia5034]

Neuvillette being tied to Furina is not accurate in my experience. My Furina is tied to my Xiao and I never feel like Neuvillette is unplayable for being playing with Fischl instead. The clear times aren’t as fast, but it’s faster to give Furina to Xiao than to give her to Neuvillette.

[@saverarehman302]

it's dumb how some powercreeps make sense but some are absurd for example kinich and kazuha isn't a power creep furina and maualni isn't a powercreep, kazuha and furina are just better

[@Oz1455]

My man heartlessly threw a meteor at a bunch of poor animals.

[@dragon3dnet]

I noticed the Power Creep with the region specific buffs which started in Fontaine characters: I don't like the Pneuma and Ousia mechanic because it is a factor in Fontaine dungeons and forces players to get the newer characters, if they want to have an advantage. It is even *worse* with Natlan characters. I guess the FOMO wasn't working as good it used to so they had to add these region specific traits.

[@silverhairedsamurai27]

I don't think that a big issue. Sure it gives a few seconds of advantage but you can still clear content without them.

[@user-ot4ly9dp1c]

Not a big issue. Natlan exploration, as well as nightsoul specific bosses can still be easily cleared with older DPS units, even dating as far back as 1.x. Natlan is more of a breath of fresh air compared to the outdated design of the average DPS character pre-Natlan that didn't have unique mechanics. I mean, you compare that to a unit like Blade from HSR. The light has not shone on him in a while. Then there's more recent units, like Acheron being powercrept quickly. You get punished more frequently and harshly in that game because it rewards specific playstyles/teams while discouraging others. For example, enemies centered around break.

[@Evitzeoshowerthoughts]

look man, no one use pneuma ousia.... the only cases of it being actually helpful is the whale weekly boss and the gravity local legend mek. It's used no where else at all..... but the natlan mechanic is certainly limiting in artifacts but cinder is so busted that I probably don't want it outside of natlan characters whom will be balanced around it. But otherwise there isn't a single combat related mechanic that even uses natlan's phlogiston unless you are in natlan, domains don't work, abyss don't work, they even had the new event domain say specifically that phlogiston doesn't work even in natlan. The only mob that uses it is the natlan mechs but it's just a stun for a not that mobile mob The new abyss mimic boss apparently will use the phlogiston mechanic for it's shield break so let's see if it's in anyway noticeable

[@aintailstweentales7964]

Literally no one cares about powercreep in genshin 😂 at this point even 4stars can easily clear everything in the game. I've been completing abyss with Diluc since the beginning of time, then Eula and Yoimiya joins my abyss raid, then Cyno when dendro came along, and their all getting shit at for being weak. The main problem is WHERE THE FUCK IS MY WRIOTHESLEY?!!!!!!!

[@Eulans]

I'm pretty sure mavuka is going to make you able to use the red par thingy that's only in natlan outside of natlan because we've seen how other archon work they apply the niche of the region to everyone zonghli is the ultimate shield Ei is the ultimate battery furina is so good with characters that move their HP par up and down even venti is the ultimate grouper in some scenarios and nahida is the best dendro applier

[@user-ot4ly9dp1c]

Unlikely. Phlogiston is a Natlan specific mechanic. There's a lore reason as to why it solely exists in that region. Genshin is pretty strict with adhering to lore. If Mavuika does enable NS for any character, it'll likely still be locked in Natlan.

[@nhoxpanda3]

@@user-ot4ly9dp1c Mav's hair literally turns into Phlogiston if you watch her combat animation. So it's not a far reach.

[@DeadVoxel]

@@nhoxpanda3 but... she has to use the power of the sacred flame for that, if I remember correctly. That's where all of her power comes from. She doesn't possess it naturally, and she didn't use to be an archon. So lore wise, she's VERY tied to Natlan in every way. I'm not sure if she'd be able to do that

[@kirby3player]

I'm not saying that Hu Tao is better than Arlecchino but she can still hold her candle to Arlecchino. Hu Tao just have the better Abilitys. Let's get ahold of what Hu Tao can do on C6 Dodgeing through enemys (completely underrated ability), Marking Enemys even with her Ulitmate, she can tank any got damn atk once every minute with 1hp left., At 25% or less HP she gets temporary 100% Crit rate 200% Resistance and she can get this 10 sek buff every minute, She gets more resistand against Interruption when entering Guide to Afterlife. Her E won't consume any Stamina once she entered Guide to Afterlife, she buffs her allies with crit rate of i think it was 12% or such. Not to mention that she solely scales on HP. Meaning she gets a DMG Boost completely related to HP after Guide to Afterlife and she is More Tanky than Arlecchino. I'm not gonna deny that Arlecchino does more damage than Hu Tao. And i know that Arlecchino can heal herself too with her Ultimate. But seriously. Hu Tao just is the overall better Charackter in terms of Abilitys. I am totally hyped to see what the Arlecchino Fans will say for comparement.

[@SainInaban]

7:14 that's Because He is not dependent on any character or team. just trigger 3 different reactions or 2 at C1 and you are good to go. he is literally the one man army. The Embodiment of true Hypercarry which doesn't need anything. That's why he can solo the whole spiral Abyss at C0.

[@atomyst4706]

Lots of questionable takes

[@alephcentauri]

i know power creep is unavoidable but honestly this is getting alarming.

[@Wintersonz]

Xilonen being geo is a big sign that the power creep is being controlled to not to go to far , as she replaces Bennet in some teams we lose : pyro resonance , ~1200 base ATk & around 20%ATK from set + possible particle funneling + proper pyro application if its needed to down cryo or hydro shield ( Xilonen is terrible on dealing with geo shield ) , instead we gain 36% Res Shred and 40% buff to type dmg done , as u can see we lose Alot to gain those , in order for Xilonen to be properly power creeping either Kazuha or Bennet in most old teams u need C2

[@Wintersonz]

as a test u can check , a C0R0 Xilonen vs a C1R0 Mona in Mualani team C1R0 Mona is noticeably better dmg boost (as in total clear time improvement overall not just 1 hit) , so in some new teams also she is not the best option for budget/f2p for sure , and if ur Xilonen is C0R1 soon C1R1 Mona with Citlali weapon will surpass her again if it comes to an either or situation

[@will_graham]

You edit your videos so well, I hope you continue to blow up in genshin creator sphere. Ur racoon mascot at the bottom always makes me smile ❤❤❤

[@SainInaban]

8:08 Glad you mentioned him. Although her range is still has problems specifically against the Ruin drake. although you can shoot him down via bow characters but because of little to no reachablility Soloing with Arlechino or without any bow character in the team waste alot of time. So that's that.

[@somedude6351]

I know I am in the minority when I say this but I don't really play with healers because I don't find that fun so I never really used Furina much so for me personally she wasn't a big power creep thing.

[@Meese12]

?? Xilonen didnt powercreep kazuha. They're alternatives for each other that do different things.

[@Real-Quarlie]

I mean, a character like Diluc has already been powercreeped not even 1 patch into the game by Klee. And arguably, Klee has then been powercreeped already like 2 patches after by Hu Tao. There is definitely Powercreep (in actual combat power) in the game. 5.x needs you to pull for Natlan-only characters for the buffs and is basically just exploration powercreep... Instead of fixing the actual mobility, they put it behind a paywall... 4.x had you pull for HP-changing units... 3.x had you pull for Dendro units, etc. ... It's always a new thing of creating a problem and selling you the solution... And the same for any "fixes" of old characters... People say Diluc isn't powercreeped anymore... Just that you need to pull for an entirely new 5-star character to even make him viable... That's still powercreep... Powercreep/creating a problem and selling you the solution, was always an issue in Genshin... Also, HEAVY disagree at 1:48... 25% more damage for the signature, from the literal best next option is a lot of extra damage... And that's with an R5 Battle Pass weapon. Looking at an actual weapon normal players can get, it's the Prototype Amber R5, a rather grindy to get weapon for R5... The Signature makes +40% more damage...

[@alfredxsiv]

2:25 this is actually not that cope, in a full C0 team hutao (R1 Fjords) vs C0 arlecchino (R1 deathmatch), theoretically their damage difference is only around 2k-5k DPS from each other (source TGS). But the big difference comes if you get into vertical investment, Hutao C1 is "ok" but her C2 is just bad in recent standard, and her C6 is also not that good as its only once per 60s. In comparison Arlecchino's cons especially her C1 and C2 blows hu tao out of the water, and this is where Hu Tao gets powercreeped hard. If you're wondering why this is the case, Hutao can vape majority of her hits, but arlecchino can't. I can see where the misconception comes from as Arlecchino's damage is very frontloaded and her individual hits deals a lot of damage, but that damage falls off very fast. Where Hutao's damage isn't that high on its own, but she can vape all her "strong hits" (her CA's) as it has no ICD. The misconception also comes from the clear times, frontloaded characters often perform better cause of how their damage curve works in relation to enemy health. If you watch the correct TC's they can explain this concept better, but the point is this is a negative for hu tao as her damage profile is more linear/constant compared to arlecchino where its starts really high.

[@annanas9122]

1:12 I second that. I want more people to see through the false gods disguise and abandon them to oblivion.

[@Zydonix]

Omg the racoon running with the time bar. That's amazing

[@nk30020]

Capitano might be the only natlan carry that will be on the same tier as Neuvillete/Arlecchino potentially even surpassing them (if he becomes playable)

[@J_Shiho]

There is no powercreep when you can still complete the abyss with characters from previous years with ease...

[@enji1633]

The power creep in Genshin still isn't bad compared to most gacha games. I can still use many lower tier or older characters as long as they have a suitable team. Honestly, you can make any character work as long as you tailor a team for them. Nothing like FFBE, which was literal powercreep hell with a new meta every few weeks lmao.

[@SainInaban]

7:51 So does Neuvillette. Strange how you mentioned this mechanics on Arlechino but ignored on Neuvillette.

[@kennethM]

in the begining when hoyoverse was mahoyo, they said they weren't going to powercreep only like sidegrades and stuff. those times may be behind us.

[@AJ22785]

Saying nilou isnt a good dps when shes not supposed to be one ...

[@apilgrim6907]

Bro just really had to throw that last line in there to tempt Apollo with his gift of prophecy. I agree though with the general point of the video, and one reason why I like Genshin is that characters don’t become useless after their rerun.

[@Bardiful-being]

7:07 this is so true. I build characters with the sole purpose of not using Furina then I try her in the team and it’s ten times better. The only non Furina team I have is Keqing agravate.

[@jerichomauricio9005]

I came here just to down vote this video :/

[@lillyie]

bennett is such a powerful unit many limited 5 stars don't scale with attack just so they don't have to use bennett for their best in slot

[@SuperSone]

1:46 There is no way he highlighted Sacraficial Jade at R FUCKING 5.

[@ghost._.127]

i feel like the biggest buff we had was in fact dendro, because not only electro units got buffed but also some Pyro units like thoma, he is the king of burngen, and quite honestly no one is taking his spot anytime soon, but also hydro units have a new home instead of just being in vapes, with hyperbloom, and bloom, and now with burning dehya is hands-down the best one, because she can take most of the burn burning damage, and she provides into interruption resistance for someone like kinich, and it even made space for units that don't react with it like fridge, essentially mixing two reactions together, and salad, which I felt like it was a lost opportunity to talk about in the video, quite literally a lot of unit units became viable because of one single new element

[@Evitzeoshowerthoughts]

tbh... thoma is only good because he is the only option, otherwise he is mid as best... he has attack ascension, his shield is hp scaling, his application is from burst so he needs er, his shields are still weak if you don't spam na or don't build hp (when he needs em for burgeon...) and whilst kuki get healing for the hyperbloom that barely does damage to you, thoma has to deal with the self damage burgeon with his weak, pyro effective shield The only thing mihoyoverse needs to do to replace thoma is to move his burst to the skill and thoma is off the charts, and that's not even addressing all the other issues.

[@ghost._.127]

@ thoma is best because of the fact that he has a shield while has consistent but not overwhelming pyro application, and honestly he is fine when you build him for actual shield i use him with my wanderer, but yeah the fact that he ascends into atk but he scaling off of hp is still very fucking weird to me too, and for his energy problems, I personally have his C6 so I don't really go through that but thats just me

[@Evitzeoshowerthoughts]

@ghost._.127 it's not that he has an energy problem. It's that he has a energy problem compared to kuki. Burgeon damage will never be as high as kuki because kuki can comfortably build 1k em whilst thoma at least needs some er, thoma should've been the higher em character Because of dragons bane, but no he can't because he needs er. And it has been consistently tested that burgeon klee is actually better than thoma because she can build 1k em as her burst can't even hit blooms, and she can even be buffed by nahida. I completely forgot to mention this in my last comment but klee is just better than thoma in burgeon, especially when burgeon can't be comboed into other reactions like how hyperbloom can interchange with aggravate spread. So running klee on-field isn't losing anything except the clunky klee gameplay

[@ghost._.127]

@ to be fair I never tried klee like this, so I wouldn't know and I'm not comparing thoma to kuki at all, it's just not feasible, since both of them have very different place styles, and kuki doesn't need her burst and her burst doesn't have any healing, so you can easily skip it, and most of the time it's used for s, but thoma is reliant on it because it's the way he can apply pyro, and to honest klee's is it lost because of the fact that she's too clunky, and she has a child model and on top of all that she's extremely fragile, so you still have to use a shielder, but thoma is a shielder, that can provide pyro and doesn't need to be on field, and unlike xiangling, he doesn't provide too much pyro, so thats why he is the perfect unit for that, he provides enough pyro, he doesn't need to be on field and he provides a shield which is very crucial for a reaction that very much does do damage to you too

[@Kyle81290]

I mean it's year 4 of the game, we are in the last 2 main regions of the main story, if people don't expect some powercreep, then they are delusional.

[@ar2r3cki]

Arlecchino the arsonist archon. The grass fires are there to frustrate you into pulling the aegis archon.

[@Pulsebrain999]

Mualani can absolutely compete with neuv and arle. The fact that people still believe that mualani is single target only is crazy and incorrect.

[@arthurgeier2545]

They got massive skill issues. Mualani with EM bot outdamages Neuvi. And she does not need her ult either. Anyways, when Mavuika rolls out, they will cry, seethe and cope.

[@mightywings314]

​​@@arthurgeier2545 No one will cry because mavuika won't benefit mualani exclusively but others as well.

[@arthurgeier2545]

@mightywings314 She will but the highest level of synergy will be with Natlan characters just like Neuvi synergizes with Furina without the need for another unit. Sure, Mavuika's burst will grant night soul state to everyone but it is the easy off-field pyro application that will max out Mualani's potential because n u king will become too easy, especially when you consider how short the cd of her E is and how the E alone is enough to n u k e everything. I can't. I can already see the BS coming from Neuvi mains on how sInGlE tArGeT she is and yap yap this, yap yap that. 3 shark bites in one go is enough to destroy lvl 105 world bosses and weekly shogoun before she even gets to transform without food buffs. Mualani has the highest ceiling along with Arlecchino. Ok, so you can use both Xil and Kazuha with Neuvi but so can Mualani and almost 2 hit level 105 world bosses. It is too funny.

[@SeravySensei]

My main problem with it is how new characters ONLY increase in damage output, while generally becoming worse in everything else (energy production, uptime, convenience, team requirements, extra features, additional restrictions and now region locking mechanics like Nightsoul and Pneumosia) aside from the few notable exceptions like Neuvilette, Furina or Navia. So at the end of the day I still find the old units the best and skip most new units anyway but I also have to skip floor 12 in Abyss because the enemies have like 3x as much HP than they used to. Like, look at how much a unit like Fischl, XQ or even Klee offers while their "upgrades" just do more damage (often only with C1 and signature) but lose the extra benefits such as XQ's heal, interrupt resistance, Fischl's A4 or C6, low field time use and high application, or Klee's energy production, enemy juggling, etc.

[@totallynotpaul6211]

I wouldn't even consider it power creep if the pyro archon is basically a direct upgrade of bennet or xiangling. They're 4-stars, Mavuika is a 5-star. It's apples to oranges, they're basically just different roles.

[@mattandrews2594]

What's hilarious to me is that the older 5 stars get kinda power crept, but the oldest *4 stars* (Bennett, Xiangling, Xingqiu) have remained in their high value spots since the beginning, to the point they even considerably outperform many 5 stars that came later.

[@CreationGT]

Seeing you yap too much I decided to just paste the transcript in chatgpt, I saved more than 12 minutes of my life

[@crwlrr5975]

i mostly use teams formed around off-meta or "bad" 4-stars. This "power creep" doesn't really matter because the new characters aren't necessary to clear all content. but i do see your point

[@Spookie24]

The relevancy of some older characters should be a clear tell how well a lot of these characters are aging. The game is never hard enough for players to feel the need to pull characters. Even for extreme combat events, you can still do it without the latest characters. It's the FOMO making people think they should get the newest ones or else their accounts are bricked. Don't think that's the case with Genshin.

[@blanc2181]

I hate power creep I hate power creep I hate power creep I hate power creep I hate power creep I hate power creep I hate power creep I hate power creep I hate power creep I hate power creep I hate power creep I hate power creep I hate power creep I hate power creep I hate power creep But I do like when supports and similar get added that help bolster old characters a ton, power creep but it's helping older characters more than newer characters

[@kami761]

Except it doesn't You really think that Xilonen and Furina help older characters more than newer ones?

[@blanc2181]

@kami761 Haha, I didn't specify Xilonen or Furina directly, just that I hate power creep and like when supports buff old characters more than new ones. Furina and Xilonen were both huge buffs for Noelle, but Furina specifically probably buffed Neuv more and Xilonen specifically probably buffed Navia more.