We're training WRONG! Uncomfortable Truth

Today I dive into a part of firearms training that we get wrong, not on purpose but because it's how we've been told to train. So, let's look at this, what and why along with some uncomfortable truths. #prepared #preparedness #minutemen #shtf #preppingforshtf #firearmsafety #firearmstraining #firearmsinstructor #wrol #teotwawki #defender #homedefense #selfdefense #sheepdog #concealcarry #concealedcarrynation #concernedcitizen #handguntraining #dutygrade #everydaycarry #edcgear #accuracyoverspeed
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[@Mr-Eleven]

"No one remembers about the million good things you do but will always remember the one thing you fucked up" -my Sgt

[@unclefreedom213]

💯

[@bagman7540]

The Tueller results were published right before my real life exposure to them. I was a Deputy in rural CO responding to a call for a man with a knife. The subject was 30ft from me and charged with a cabbage cutting knife (he had lots of practice), by the time my brain engaged and I thought about drawing my service revolver, he was CLOSE. I fired 3 rounds (.357 Mag, SW 686), with 2 hits (66% at

[@mobilegamersunite]

Me and my old lady where walking the dog at 3am ...some guy comes jogging out of the pitch black and was instantly face to face with us....made me think of exactly this

[@ROE675]

I think the most important thing for all of us is to be honest with ourselves, to be aware of our ability. It will help focus training into areas that benefit us the most.

[@newscoulomb3705]

Paul Harrell demonstrated the three-shot training against a charging assailant as accuracy first, and after consistently hitting the target, then tracking and improving speed and increasing difficulty and range.

[@James_the_not_so_magnificent]

I've been a police instructor for 20+ years. It's always a trade-off between speed and accuracy. Train, know yourself and push your limits in training.

[@gator7082]

It’s all about speed, hot nasty bad ass speed - Eleanor Roosevelt

[@JuanGonzalez-cl4md]

If your not first,your last....lol

[@bagman7540]

Wyatt Earp and the USMC snipers say "Fast is fine, Accuracy is final".

[@brad6054]

Shit you called me out on the 15 yards.............thanks for pushing us forward

[@AJohnSmith]

Be better.

[@maverick4462]

Thank you, and I'm glad someone said it.

[@jefftabor595]

Thank you for sharing some of your glorious day off.

[@larrypatty8333]

I was required to qualify at 4, 7, 15 and 25 yards. This was handgun only. Speed means nothing if you can't hit the target. If you are shooting at a target over 25 yards you need to take time to hit the target right away. If you are fighting with a handgun against someone with a rifle you won't get a second chance if you miss.

[@rico989]

POST for my state went from 25yds max distance to 15yds for qual.

[@larrypatty8333]

@@rico989 Most of our rounds were at 4, 7 and 15. My former supervisor told me to practice at 15. He said if I could hit the target consistently at 15 then 4 and 7 would be easy and he was right.

[@texasjoe3261]

Thank You For Sharing Your Knowledge And Experiences !! You Are 100 Percent Correct. Accuracy Over Speed.

[@CLP1974]

Thank u again! Can't wait til the next one!

[@benhopper7341]

Thanks for the tips

[@davidbayne2845]

Thanks for a great video. People get stuck on what they think should be either or questions. In multiple choice questions you ‘ ll see: A, B, A&B or NEITHER. A successful outcome is the goal; for me this is accuracy and speed with 90% hits on an eight inch target with up to half second splits. I train with a shot timer, at seven, ten and fifteen yards on an IDPA type target.

[@Bens_Channel47]

In switzerland we shot handguns mostly 55 and about 28 yards and we have the opposite problem. Not enough trainning on speed.

[@RetARMYjohn]

I agree with you 100%. Accuracy is key not smashing steel. Accuracy, accuracy, accuracy! Outstanding video brother! Stay safe and keep up the great training! Thank you!

[@silverbrass6711]

The self accountability and pointing out your own shortcomings or where you have work to do, I think that is the best and most important now a days. Way to many people don’t have self accountability it’s very important and need much more of it. Keep the awesome content coming 👍👍👍👍

[@kenpoorman5945]

What a crock. Cops will unload a hundred rounds each cop. Do you think they account for every round. To someone holding a knife.

[@realwelder3529]

They have qualified immunity... we don't.

[@matthewminch5894]

What about small steel targets that are say 6-8" in diameter at distance? I do a lot of precision rifle shooting out in the desert and we dont change the size of the target at distance. It doesnt matter if its at 440 yards or 900, we shoot at 6" targets to keep the accountability up. I just got more into pistol recently and I dont understand why a 4-6" steel target at 25, 35, 45 yards would be counterproductive. 24" steel at 10 yards, I understand.

[@WarriorGardening]

Thanks bro I needed to hear this again. Going fast is addicting and it's so easy to neglect a miss here and there

[@Ariesgvd]

Thanks man 👊 great video

[@Thewaffletot]

Fast doesn't make good, good makes fast

[@Hook-N-Ladder]

Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.

[@matthewriegner5180]

I shoot a combo of 1" pasters and a zone ipsc targets. One to work on accuracy from fundamentals and one to work on transitioning that in to speed. Still working on it, but I try to keep an understanding of what is going on with my grip, trigger pull, and sights as I shoot pasters. Then try to apply that with more speed on an a zone. Seems to help tighten up groups as time has gone on and also to increase speed. Got to use a timer properly also. Use it not as a race, but a metric to measure and to improve against.

[@geneotrexler8246]

Good video 👍

[@B-Nazty]

Facts! Great video man, keep up the great content!

[@BlueRidgeCritter]

"You will never miss fast enough to recover a missed shot." I'm keeping that. That should go with one of Jeff Cooper's rules. One thing that came to mind while you were talking was thinking back 150 years ago, duels. Some people actually seriously trained for those, and that was one of the key takeaways. Accuracy trumps speed. Indeed speed is important, but not at the expense of the accuracy. I believe Wyatt Earp said the same thing later in his life in an interview, that the reason he had been so successful wasn't because of his speed, he could put the lead where it needed to be.

[@fanman8102]

Excellent; thanks!

[@shuumai]

As a fan of Ben Stoeger's way of teaching, I think there's definite benefits to training for accuracy at speed. With the capability to shoot fast with decent accuracy, you'll have more gears to choose from. Dialing it back when necessary will be easier than trying to shoot fast when you haven't trained for it.

[@Yetified_Mayhem]

Good one bro! From high in The mountains of central Idaho, I salute u..

[@SpaceFrawg]

100%. I'm new here, going to check out your other videos now.

[@mobilegamersunite]

Yeah, actually, i just had to explain to my old lady that cops consider 30ft a threat because of how fast some people can clear that distance with a knife.

[@kennywise237]

When I showed this on a police officer page here in Oklahoma, you could've heard a roach fart it got real quiet! No response or anything and I've posted this about 16 hours ago!

[@johnbrooks6003]

Preach brother! I recently found you’re channel and have loved the content and often agree with all you say Especially in this video a concept I bring up all the time to friends and folk I talk to about shooting distances is Walmarts and places like it just look at how long the main walk ways are. Personally I think you should be able to accurately and with speed take out a target at 25 all day everyday as a minimum standard and if not then train more and if so then work more distances With all this said not even to bring up the fact that the bad guy might have a rifle and all you got is a pistol so you better be able to keep that distance in your favor.

[@nova3930]

I fully believe in practicing at extended distances, however, going back to a prior comment about shooting someone, right or wrong, brings police, prosecutors, lawyers and judges into your life, and those people don't make life better....I'm fully cognizant of the fact that as the range of target engagement increases, the harder it is to explain that shoot to those police, prosecutors, lawyers and judges, which makes life even harder even if the other guy is armed.... ETA and I mean this more from the perspective as average Joe Citizen, LEOs don't have that problem as much...

[@rhodycars6058]

Damn I bought a shot timer this week😂

[@chriswollan9319]

20K way to go👍

[@Yetified_Mayhem]

Takes time when you're honest, straight forward. Entertainers win, FCK them..

[@itsamk18-ish]

Like the ole “over penetration” conversation, people spend too much time thinking about rounds going through buildings after going through the bad guy but spend little time making sure they can even hit the target.

[@PetrosArgy]

Excellent thoughts. I try to find a balance in my training. I know some guys who only train extreme precision shooting and it slows them down mentally. Other guys I know only really spend time on speed (with close paper targets or steel) and their accuracy suffers and precision is almost non-existent. What honesty adds to the mix is that maybe you're not carrying the right gun, or maybe the gun you carry is going to seriously limit your range of effectiveness if the situation demands precision. Two of my carry pistols illustrate this well - my VP9 (red dot) and my Reflex (iron sights). I can get good accuracy and precision out to 25 yards quickly with the VP9. With the Reflex that's limited to under 10 yards. That said, with either of those accuracy and precision goes way down when you add stress to the situation. For instance, I'll do failure drills with any pistol I carry that include putting empty casing into the magazine to cause multiple failures to fire during the drills. That inevitably makes it way more likely that my accuracy goes down on the remaining shots, especially the head shot (and that's without a shot timer). Learn your limitations and be honest with yourself about them - you're not going to get magically better when there's a life on the line.

[@tmreb1]

Wyatt Earp did a few interviews before he passed. He talks about how the man who is calm and takes his time to be accurate in a gunfight will always beat the man in a panicked rush trying to do trick shooting. They're on youtube and definitely worth listening to.

[@benpotter4905]

This is the kind of content I can get behind. New subscriber here. My problem is, I am still trying to find the right gun to be very precise with. I am used to a Glock style grip now. What can I do to help myself be more comfortable and accurate with a 1911 style griped gun aka sig p365/320?

[@stevenmaddox8771]

Watching you during debby 👌

[@Zay-p5v]

I just retired from the USCG. I was a firearms instructor. Our courses have always been. 1-1/2 yards to 25 yards. 25 yards was the max most law enforcement Ive seen or experienced maxs out at 25. Which is much better than 15 yards. But I know exactly what your talking about. Most shooters really started falling off when we hit the 15. There were only a few shooters that could consistently shoot well at 25.

[@woodsghost9088]

We can't train for 100% of situations. What is 80% of problem situations? If we can accurately define the common threats we can make good training programs to match those threats. And if one has time/money to train to a "90% or 99% of threats" standard, then cool. That is better than " 80%".

[@jeffanon1772]

Camo ball cap, tee shirt, beard, tattoos.... Well then he's GOTTA know what he's talking about, right??? I mean...he checks all the boxes, LOL.

[@joemama69448]

😂

[@Ghillie-bp6tl]

"Woohoo! You shot fast....I need you to shoot good." -- Clint Smith

[@itsjojo7360]

People treat it like a hobby. It’s not a hobby when other people’s lives are potentially at risk.

[@rico989]

For qual they went from 25yds max to 15yds max. Personally I train on my own time 7 yards close and walk off up to25yds or further. Went from shooting steel all the time to now shooting cardboard. I shoot IPSC target anything on D-zone is a miss for me. Have to incorporate shooting on the move. Shoot steel has some nice cardboard targets I'm go back to have "realistic" scoring zones. Law enforcement just makes it easier to qual to pass more people and to have something on paper saying you qualified. My state for POST just recently went from 25yds to 15yds max and most PD rifle qual is the same distance.

[@APoliteSociety]

Hey, nice patch in the thumbnail. 😜

[@thomasburch1260]

What are your thoughts on rifle training with a 1/3 torso (7x12) at 60yds?

[@SadatayWadatah]

Dad here. Where can i find that bandit/bluey patch?

[@unclefreedom213]

a polite society on IG

[@loganshotrod4x464]

An uncomfortable truth I’ve learned from Tueller’s Drill: If you’re not training to fight with a knife, then you’re not serious about fighting or self defense. If a gun is the ONLY weapon you’re training with, then you’re a gun enthusiast & you’re neglecting a very important hand to hand combat skill that you need to develop. …& here’s where I get flamed in the comments section.

[@bobiojimbo]

This mirrors what Wyat Earp said

[@granitejeepc3651]

the 3/3/3 rule is for civvie like situations where I am perceived as unarmed and attacked from ambush by baddies--ie REACTIVE----so any response by me that isnt cowering in fear is Effective---ie fighting in some way, shooting, actually hitting---those all change the script and most likely win the engagement-----the end game result whatever venue is disenagement of threat----------this does apply to on duty police situations----those encounters are different as you are armed and are either responding or static but either way being PROACTIVE and your in end game in those are arresting or stopping the threat

[@ryanphillips8834]

Shoot calling is a massive skill that only comes with practice

[@Billy-d1n]

Great video. I’m at the range 2-3 times a week working on my shooting skills. I always use paper targets. I also mark my hits with colored dots. I want to see where my shots are hitting. I have never in 4yrs of going to this range ever seen anyone else mark and track their hits. I’m not the fastest. But I’m pretty accurate. lol 😂

[@kennywise237]

It's 25 yards for us for quals

[@rico989]

Quals was 25yds now max is 15yds for POST standards.

[@kennywise237]

@@rico989 We're not under POST here in Oklahoma. CLEET is our governing body and the distance was when I started in 94 was 50 yards then they reduced it to 25

[@mobilegamersunite]

This is a videogame btw...on hardcore mode with no continue 😂

[@DirkaDirka-n9j]

OODA Loop. John Boyd. Be able to articulate EXACTLY why you took each shot and why each shot was necessary to avoid imminent serious injury to yourself or to another.

[@anthonyjbargeman5280]

Yes, it comes down to accurate shot placement. I was trained take your time... with a quickness. Concentrate on mechanics and basics. IF you have to employ your training, you WILL resort to YOUR lowest trained skill.

[@austinhudson7847]

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[@joemama69448]

Homer Simpson meme: "Everyone is stupid but me"

[@sa1911a1]

Good video....did Uncle Freedom just admit he ignores gun free zones like a lot of us do ? Lol

[@Ariesgvd]

He’s a cop. Gun free zones don’t apply to him

[@Katana_Gryphon]

He’s a cop, he can get away with that. Much easier to do when your buddies show up to the call and look the other way. Not bashing him, it’s just the truth.

[@sa1911a1]

@@Katana_Gryphon what call ? Concealed is just that....if the place has it posted then they'll ask you to leave its policy not law. Now if you refuse to leave they'll trespass you then cops are involved but that's only if you suck at Concealed Carry 🤷‍♂️

[@houseoflamarr3674]

Is federal power shock 223 any good?

[@woodsghost9088]

Depends who you are asking and what you intend to do with it. For my purposes, it's great.

[@houseoflamarr3674]

@@woodsghost9088self defense

[@ConMan1504]

You can only build towards going fast without missing if you have the fundamentals to allow very high accuracy. If you cant stack holes at 10 yards you cant go fast

[@Katana_Gryphon]

Counterpoint: as long as the fundamentals let you shoot fast. Does your grip change when you shoot fast? How does that affect your accuracy? I would say training for speed has its place too. You can stack holes at 10 yards if you take your time, but now learn how to do the same thing fast.

[@paulc1173]

OK, this is where I somewhat disagree, steel,is great! Painted steel it’s the greatest! LoL I can absolutely keep a freshly or somewhat freshly painted steel and it’s up to me to be honest with myself. If you cannot do that, I don’t understand your training goals or integrity. (Whom ever might be reading this, not the KZbinr presenting this content) it beats keeping up with and changing paper, because lets be honest, accountability can go out the window with paper too. Bring a friend / shooting partner, that helps with self honesty too.! THEN there steel size, go small! Reduced C zone only for pistol distances, and even through in some 4” or 6” rounds, diamonds, and squares. I personally have it all the way down to 1” hangers if I’m feeling particularly spicy.😅

[@venomgt7299]

First round that hits usually wins the fight

[@bernardbarr2354]

I thought Spam was pork

[@theintrovertedcalifornian5047]

Funny as hell he is talking about marksmanship skills that were focused on decades ago lol.

[@woodsghost9088]

95% of the audience here (and 99.9% of firearms owners) have not trained drawing from concealment enough. You can talk about managing speed/accuracy and 50 yard shots, but what I'm seeing is most people don't train getting their gun out of the holster. They pull the gun from the holster and do all their exercises then put it back. Just "getting the gun out of the holster" is CRITICAL. And under-trained/under practiced. But after one masters the basics, the rest of that climbs in importance and I'm right with you.

[@TexasNationalist1836]

I prefer the old intro

[@n4d3m4n]

ah, yea, the dreaded little girl that always manages to stand behind the robber. she's everywhere at once! There's more to steel than *Fun. Steel is great for creating the neural pathways for accuracy. it's not the end all be all, but using steel appropriately in training can help you grow your skill in leaps and bounds. instant feedback rewards the neural pathway faster than shooting and walking down and coming back etc. again, it's a tool for one thing, but not the tool for everything. SPEED IS IMPORTANT! Speed is definitely important. There is a timer in a gunfight, you just can't hear it. You're in a competition with the bad guy to see who can get an anatomically significant hit first, and that is a timed event. you need to be able to take your time in a hurry and get an aimed shot at as far as you need to. Put yourself on a timer and know how long it takes you to take a 3 yard shot, a 7 yard shot, a 25 yard shot etc. knowing your draw speed to first shot tells you when you can try to take a shot. I've seen people do a sub 1.5 second shot from concealment onto a 25 yard target and brother, you do not want to go up against them in a gunfight. when you start pushing a 1 second draw at 25 yards, you give yourself a lot of options. speed is an important tool. I say that because it is possible to get to that point when you train properly. Stretch your speed and accuracy both ways to build your toolkit, don't just rely on one or the other. I will agree that there isn't a beep in a gunfight, and there can be a training scar there. the only way to get around that is scenario training. have a balanced approach, don't just shit on a training method because it has weaknesses. put some thought into what you're doing to build the neural pathways to become successful in a fight.

[@richierich7007]

Off topic. Are you a traveling man?

[@unclefreedom213]

@@richierich7007 indeed

[@morgizmo87]

Literally no one is saying “speed is the only metric that matters.” And with a little spray paint you can absolutely keep accountability and see whats going on with steel. Just like using paper helps you score accuracy and accountability, or a gym log helps you keep track of progress in lifts/times, timers help you track progress. More and more it seems like this channel is straw men arguments and the youtube equivalent of a solution without an actual problem.

[@joemama69448]

Bingo!

[@SonnyCrocket-p6h]

Put Liberty Arms' 50 gr, 2000 fps solid copper hps in your pocket 9mm, guys, 450 ft lbs, no more recoil than a Makarov, and WAY more effective than plus p 115 gr jhp's, The latter do NOT (reliably) expand in the lungs from a 3" barrel, cause all they get is 1150 fps, after first piercing clothing. What happens in Jello is irrelevant You need 1200 fps to so-expand a 9mm jhp and 1300 fps is MUCH better. If you believe ANYTHING that the Feds tell you, you're one gullible clown They want you to believe that if I stick a bowie knife "only" 6" into your chest, it's just a scratch. Ha! It slice your heart or liver in half.

[@halevans3652]

Steel is fine; just drop the target size down to 4x4"; full-size USPSA or IDPA targets are nearly useless for static range training. Young with good eyesight, a pair of 4x4 plates, draw and control pair, from 10m out to 50m+, was normal. Any drill you have feelings you don't want to do, probably should be focused on. We teach shooting wrong...due to it being 'easy', 2-day course here, 5 days there...but if you look at 'normal' sports, how do we train them? 5, or 6 days a week. Here is what speed defensive pistol shooting should look like. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4KVd4GCjdl-l6Msi=FEyv-QP6GwE5kFfO

[@SonnyCrocket-p6h]

hitting harder than silly arsed common 9mm jhps is way more important than being able to hit beyond 10m, guys. When you have no hearing protection and you're being shot-at, you're going to MISS the entire man (a lot) at 10m and miss the vitals a lot at 20 ft. if you dont believe that, try an El Presidente both with and without your ear pro, and compare the hits and times. to make it more realistic, have somebody throwing rice onto your head and another guy swatting you in t he butt with a fly swatter. If you "think' that being shot-at aint more stress than that, you're fos/ignorant. It WILL be enough 'extra" stress to significantly change your hits. Add a pair of thin cotton gloves, so that the numbness of an adrenalin dump is simulated. You'll find out real quick how silly it is to "think' that you're going to do jack squat at 25m, , with just a ccw pistol when you're actually being fired-upon.

[@n4d3m4n]

I don't think you understand the purpose of training. It's to create neural pathways so you can automatically execute a process with distractions. Training isn't going out and getting into a gunfight every sunday because it's the most real training you can get! taking out ear-pro, using gloves, sexual advances on your butt will not help you get skill, but I'm sure for some it'll cause an erection. You need to break down skills into their components and drill them until you can do it automatically under stress. Tying in a sexual stimulus into your training will cause a result that will look really bad when the DA is presenting a picture to the Jury where you're standing over a dead guy while holding a gun with a massive erection. and to top that, you'll not be able to respond to questions beyond a deaf "Huh!?"

[@mikallittle1486]

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[@AJohnSmith]

Lucas Boykin has never shown his hits. That’ll do it.

[@slvr_srfr]

that’s not his name & he routinely scores targets on camera

[@83Yankee]

Yeah…you’re way off. They have been scoring targets on camera for quite a while now. He also suggests using paper instead of steel so you can actually judge accuracy. Stop drinking the “anti-Botkin” kool aid.

[@cornbeef2128]

He scores his targets on camera…