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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
0:45 Meet Matthew, the contest and his computer
2:42 Thanks UGREEN!
3:04 Starting his design on CLO3D
4:16 A major change happens
6:18 What about the other apps?
7:29 Final moments and final design
10:19 The contest results

[@NateDawg0007]

Replacing his Logitech mouse with the magic mouse seems cruel

[@macaddress]

HaHa! You'll see that he switched it back.

[@NateDawg0007]

@@macaddress lol I guess he agrees

[@Watchandlearn91]

He probably didn't like his hand cramping up - I think Anthony called it an "ergonomic nightmare" in one of the LTT or shortcircuit videos and that is probably the best term I have to describe that mouse.

[@FrostyFrosto]

@@macaddress the day I use the Magic Mouse will be the day I die

[@macaddress]

@@Watchandlearn91 The Magic Mouse sucks in 3D applications (like the Sims). Scroll-wheel click is essential

[@Midn1ghtSun]

What really holds me back is that Apple STILL doesn't support modern graphics APIs like Vulkan. Apple literally tells developers looking to port their games to mac, to rely on MoltenVK, which is an open source solution to map Vulkan API calls to Metal.The Mac is a very capable gaming platform, but is constantly held back by Apple wanting to do things their way.

[@xXxJakobxXx3]

I highly doubt Apple tells developers to use MoltenVK. They tell them to program the game with the native Metal API which most developers won’t do.

[@TalesOfWar]

Apple tells them to use Metal. Like Microsoft tells developers to use DirectX.

[@jadamsnz]

Metal IS a modern graphics API. What holds developers back is the reluctance to use it.

[@melissablick779]

@@jadamsnzMacOS is not a dominant gaming platform, so the additional expense cannot be justified. NVIDIA, AMD and Intel all support Vulkan, Apple is the only holdout.

[@AxWarhawk]

I remember first reading the news of Apple moving on to a new, better graphics API thinking, oh hey, they are hopping on the Vulkan train as well. Then I read Metal, not Vulkan, and just closed the tap.

[@ArtyI]

See, he has the correct mindset. Doesn't matter what OS you've got if you're getting optimal performance

[@renesoellner]

I didn't understand the question "did you feel bad [about switching back to PC]?" - I mean why would he feel bad about switching to a system which works better for him? Does he owe any sort of allegiance to Apple?

[@SUPER7X]

@@renesoellner Because he is a Mac fan. He literally has an Apple sticker on his PC.

[@renesoellner]

@@SUPER7X I'm a fan of Rewe (a super market chain here in Germany). I don't feel bad though about going to another super market if they don't have something I need in stock.

[@SUPER7X]

@@renesoellner Yeah, you shouldnt. That's the rational position. But being a fan can lead to irrationality, hence the question.

[@daveh6356]

Except he fell for GPU propaganda which ultimately screwed his final output.

[@johnatkinson1111]

You can have all the hardware power you want, if your software isn’t optimized for the hardware it’s not going to be as useful as less powerful hardware with good optimization.

[@evilutionltd]

You are pretty much describing Android and Apple phones.

[@andrewd3899]

@@evilutionltd no not really, because even the best Android phones fall short of apple's socs

[@iamkailong]

which is always an issue for MacOS. For some sw, it works perfectly, and if you use those sw MacOS and Apple Silicone Mac is the best thing ever for you. But most sw doesn't optimize for Mac, especially Apple Silicone one, the experience will at best be fine or acceptable, at worst you just can't even use it.

[@ghajik.]

@@andrewd3899 in the fortnite days, the ram requirement for fortnite was only 2gb on iOS while on android, it was atleast 4gb. That itself showed the world of iphone's software optimization.

[@DerekDavis213]

@@ghajik. iPhone's software is so 'optimized' that RAM on iPhone went from 1GB to 4GB or beyond, in just a few years. So much for efficiency, eh?

[@kyrregjerstad]

Quick note regarding the plugins in Ableton: Several plugin manufacturers have been held back for years due to the iLok licensing software which only became native a couple of months ago. Now that the iLok software is running natively almost all major developers have released native versions as well!

[@macaddress]

Thanks for the update. There are so many things tied together that it's quite the tangle to update eh?!

[@stevedotwav]

For the position PACE is in, and the amount of income they have vs the limited product they put out, it's disgusting how far behind they always are. It took what, 3 years after USB-C-only Macs for them to put out a USB-C iLok? Absolutely unacceptable

[@larrysunshine]

I don't know why such thing as iLok has to exist. I had to deal with it twice, terrible software.

[@genericscottishchannel1603]

haha more bullshit go brrrrr

[@snowwsquire]

iLok sucks so much

[@vlad2718]

Really like the whole “grab an Apple product, give it to some LMG power user” idea. Brings a whole new dimension to what products actually do.

[@daveh6356]

Which, in most areas, is a lot better. These guys are having to reach hard for failing use cases.

[@bmryner90]

@@daveh6356 this just isnt true. outside of video editing, osx for professional use has always been a bad idea.

[@daveh6356]

@@bmryner90 the rise of corporate web apps, 3rd-party apps (Slack/Monday etc.) and MS product parity/rdp ended that over a decade ago ("OSX"😆). I use both Windows & macOS everyday both on & off corporate networks and macOS shines.

[@bmryner90]

@@daveh6356 still false. Web apps aren't used for professional development lol. U want to run locally. Scientific/engineering space use dedicated software optimized for GPUs. The biggest thing right now is Machine learning and 90% of that is based on CUDA , i.e., Nvidia which means no apple. Unless you're making music, webdev, or editing video, osx has a small roll in professional settings.

[@daveh6356]

@@bmryner90 utterly wrong - the biggest use of 'professional' computing is NOT scientific/engineering or Machine Learning - these are all edge cases. Ask yourself what proportion of PC sales does this market represent. A very load voice for a tiny part of the market. As for web apps - look again. With half of PC sales bound for office desks, look at the app portfolio. As much as I hate them, web apps resign supreme as the largest 'professional' computer use.

[@constantinelpallas]

I switched from using a Mac to a PC because I needed (usable) GPU acceleration for game development programs like Unity, which was originally designed to be mac-first. I'd love to see a return to having two competitive options for game development computers.

[@kyuuart]

Unity has full Apple Silicon and Metal support in 2021 LTS - I have a MacBook Pro 16 and boy is it nice to use Unity on now compared to when it was non native last year. I’d say it’s competitive when you want portability with long battery life and don’t want to carry a jet engine around.

[@JasonCloete]

Same, Unreal Engine 5 still doesn't support Nanite on macOS

[@constantinelpallas]

@@kyuuart I've tried it since they added native support, and while it is better, in high performance workloads like baking lightmaps and HDRP, it's not really a contest. Some workflows aren't even supported on mac, like using an Oculus device to develop VR games. On the laptop side, I think apple silicon makes much more sense, especially once you consider the whole "jet engine" thing. (I personally much prefer the design of my Zephyrus G14 to my 2016 era MacBook pro.)

[@chimpo131]

real work requires a real pc. not some fruity shit

[@constantinelpallas]

@The Night Always in favor of better tech. Frankly though, I think we're still a ways out before the PC embraces anything other than x86 as a first-class architecture. ARM support on windows, for instance, has been lackluster to say the least. The Intel roadmap has them on 10/14nm plus plus plus ad infinitum for years to come, no?

[@HobbieJ]

I just want to shout to the rooftops how incredible this channel is. Even a review just feels more Apple, with a real life use case instead of a bunch of bullet points. It really brought the human element too, because at the end of the day, yeah, I love macOS, but I really cared about the art contest over anything else!

[@TodorKatsarski]

I don't even own a Mac (or any Apple device at the moment), but Jonathan is such a nice presenter and there are lots of things to learn, so I'm a regular watcher.

[@edmn]

A Mac Address day is always a good day

[@andrewd3899]

MAC Address is honestly the most interesting and well made of the LMG channels at the moment. I love the topics and the direction you choose, and it feels like a lot more effort and care is taken for each video. Keep up the good work!

[@xenotiic8356]

Yeah, especially because it's the only channel (other than maybe techlinked?) that doesn't have constant brand/lttstore integrations distracting from the rest of the video

[@jonnyspeed8974]

TechLinked is awesome, too. Core LTT seems to be more just about CPU and GPU battles, which is tedious. And the WAN Show is long. A highlight has been the Steam Deck journey and the most honest Linux trial I've seen.

[@svampebob007]

@@xenotiic8356 sponsor skip, I stopped watching LTT a while ago because of that issue, but with sponsorskip you can skip all of their (overly saturated) self promo. it's fun in ONE video, it's really annoying in ALL the videos. Though be prepared for a 20 minute video to be more like 13 minutes skipping all the circle jerking.

[@avdcam]

When I thought all video review formats were exhausted Jonathan comes up with a documentary tech review reality tv mocumentary style series. Epic.

[@JOHNY0]

I really like how despite this channel being part of LMG, it has it's own unique style and it's not so over the top. It's about Apple but isn't afraid of showing issues with Apple products and is focused on the human side of things and real-world scenarios instead of just shouting specs and throwing performance graphs at our face. I also really appreciate how it has videos for almost every type of user, from creative to casual.

[@JeffGeerling]

Since I use Final Cut Pro X and Photoshop a lot... the Mac Studio has absolutely blown away my expectations compared to any other Mac I've owned. And in terms of silence (not just raw performance), any PC I've been able to afford and fit in my office. But I still have a PC for gaming, and run a few Linux boxes too. macOS still has some of its own limitations. It really depends on the exact software you use whether the performance will be amazing, or just meh.

[@tkkaisla]

"few" linux boxes :D

[@nathanmiddleton1478]

I think it's that exact quandry that drives a video like this. (omg the production video here, I love these! not the point!) You should be able to pick up a one of these Mac's and have it do decent in just about any category. Especially given all the hype from Apple. Consider too that you're not going to natively be adding any kind of 3D rendering, for example, to this and why would when the internal cores are not even supported. That would mean any 3rd party would be even less supported. All-in-all for a professional mac user this feels like the 90s, maybe worse. At least in the 90s we might actually have had better overall support on the platform than today. No it seems like everything else is more computationally intensive and needs the support of more specialized architectures. Without the actively buy-in from developers and Apple how can you trust your $5,000 investment is worth it? This example kind of still shows too the price difference. I doubt the NZXT was horribly loud at rendering this type of workload when compared to the Apple desktop. It would be louder, but I'm guessing not insanely so.

[@AnubizCoyote]

Screw those can it run avid?

[@zeus1117]

You are right but most people don't have the luxury you describe here with a multitude of machines!

[@melissablick779]

First, love the aesthetic so much more than any other LMG channel. Almost really appreciate that media production is not the only professional use case for workstations. I own both a macbook and pc, and use professional protein simulation tools. Some visualization tools have native M1 builds .e.g. VMD, ChimeraX (preview build). NVIDIA invested heavily over the past two decades in supporting commercial and academic developers to implement CUDA. That's paid off in spades.

[@TalesOfWar]

I'd love to see a push from developers (and end users) to move away from things like CUDA to open standards, or at least ones native to the OS in the same way things are written in DirectX, Metal or Vulkan (and OpenGL previously). OpenCL was a push towards this but as with OpenGL, the Chronos group screwed the pooch with it once Apple handed it over to them. I imagine their handling of that accelerated Apple's move away from OpenGL to Metal and a destiny they have full control over. For better or worse.

[@jippalippa]

I have an M1 Ultra, and I'll say the problem is inconsistency. Within the same software some tasks are bazingly fast, sone others worryingly slow. For example I use After Effects and some tasks (like camera tracking) are super fast, while others (like working with shape layers) are quite slow.

[@venusbhatia]

That is pretty disappointing

[@khangvinh4656]

Apple’s intent on making their chipset architecture so vastly different and never ever open it to any other publishers to optimize it is a huge problem. While that may make their chip more efficient and less bloated, it lack any compatibility to anything that isn’t optimized specifically for it. Being efficient is good but for a workstation, you want to be able to use every softwares that you could get your hand on. If you have to gamble every time to see if something work or not, it is ultimately not efficient.

[@jippalippa]

@@khangvinh4656 I guess it's just a matter of time; in 2 years this won't be a problem at all. we're kinda going through growing pains with this transition. I'm still glad apple had the courage to go through with it.

[@s.i.m.c.a]

@@jippalippa i heard this like 2 years ago lol and we still there

[@DerekDavis213]

If you use Blender or Maya for 3D modelling, the M1 Ultra gpu is *very* *weak* when compared to high end NVidia or AMD gpus.

[@mr_manager]

This mix of tech content and behind the scenes…. I just love it. Mac Address truly is my favorite channel from all LMG

[@christianpinche]

Great video! You should test the Mac Studio with a motion designer and see how it performs with the native version of After Effects. I'm very curious about it!

[@TylerHansenVideo]

It flies in AE

[@christianpinche]

@@TylerHansenVideo Hello! Have you tried it with a motion design project?

[@davidkerman1732]

I’m a motion designer and yes ae is quick. Redshift not so much.

[@albanb]

I've been through the OS9/OSX transition and the PowerPC/Intel one and honnestly this one is fast comapre to the other, I'm even impressed by Adobe speed in this transition, last times it was minimum 18 month to have some sort of optimised soft.

[@albanb]

@@jfernandez76 This installer is a nightmare, native or roseta, but it took almost 5 years if I remember for adobe to drop the "classic" code from Photoshop and the rest of the suit after the introduction of osX

[@TheSengard]

I think it's much fast this time because Adobe had experience thanks to their mobile apps. So they already had programs working with the architecture and developers who had experience in the environment.

[@Moondraak]

If I remember correctly we waited like 2-3 years to switch from OS9 to OSX, waiting for Quark and Adobe to release stable versions.

[@albanb]

@@Moondraak Oh yeah I had OSx but was mainly using OS 9, they did released stable versions but I think it was CS4 or 5 who was 100% osx beacause apple ditch the classic librairy support on the system

[@DerekDavis213]

And yet there are still MANY plugins for Photoshop and Premiere that won't work natively with M1 processor. You have to use some kind of weak and compromised Rosetta nonsense.

[@orion10x10]

I LOVE this series! Looking at the use cases for real professionals is great to watch. The whole aesthetic of this channel is great

[@tronam]

Thankfully on the audio side most companies are now M1 native, including 16 digital audio workstations (with only Protools and Reason left) and over 2,000 plug-ins across 330 developers. The slowest devs to migrate have been some of the old stalwarts going back decades like Native Instruments and iZotope, but at least their most popular plugins are now native like Kontakt, RX, Neutron and Ozone. Of my 300ish plugins, only a very small handful are left to be ported. The most respected active devs like Soundtoys, Waves, Fabfilter, Arturia, Spectrasonics, Plugin Alliance, Spitfire, Eventide, Korg, PSP, Universal Audio, Softube, U-He, Valhalla, Xfer Records, among many others are Apple Silicon native now.

[@DekuSonic]

The way you present stuff is so good.Usually I am sceptical on apple based channels but you just bring out all aspects of owning one and editing of the video is so calming in a way. Subbed

[@Felttipfuzzywuzzyflyguy]

10:30 I think Matthew's design was really cool. That stinks about the contest but he deserves to be really happy with the work he did, awesome job Matt!

[@Tunca_Arslan]

👆👆congratulations🎊you have been randomly selected among my shortlisted winners you just won a prize🎁🎁🎁.......

[@mbvglider]

I use an M1 Max 24-core laptop for music production. It took 1.5 years to get there, but every plug-in I use runs well now, though I do run Logic in Rosetta. It does mean that there's possibly a future in which it can run native and give me 20-30% more performance, so that's exciting. I do think the Mac Studio is a bit of a weird product, though, in that the lower-end Max models make a lot of sense and are a pretty good value, but the Ultra variant seems a little bit janky for the price. In a laptop, the advantages of Apple Silicon are many. In a desktop, I just don't think they're there.

[@tronam]

Yes, M1 is in a very good place now for pro audio, unless you're a Protools or Reason user, but the latter is due out this fall. Protools will then be the last remaining DAW to be ported.

[@LoganRas]

Wait, does Logic not run native on Apple Silicon?

[@tronam]

@@LoganRas Yes, from day one, but in some cases running Logic itself under Rosetta can be more reliable for users with lots of older Intel plug-ins which aren’t yet native.

[@mbvglider]

@@LoganRas It does, but if you have plugins that aren't written for Apple Silicon, running it in Rosetta offers way more compatibility.

[@LoganRas]

@@mbvglider Ah, got it.

[@MrMynameisjonaz]

This is actually the type of video I want and would expect out of an LTT channel. Mac boy vs PC fan boy being irrelevant. Show the good and the bad and call out both sides without the hype.

[@mikeb.4597]

This is a perfect example of right tool for the job. I don’t know why some people claim that one platform is superior than another? Macs work better than PC in different areas, and PC performs better than Mac in others. And in many cases, depending on what you’re doing, either platform will get the job done. So then it boils down to personal preference. Thanks for the video. MacStudio seems to be an amazing machine, but if software is not optimized, and works more efficiently on another platform, go with what works best.

[@dsblue1977]

I do not think that was the idea of this video. This video shows that Apple software transition is not complete after two years. Unless Apple provides GPU acceleration for some key software, you will never be able to switch your user base.

[@johnnycheung5536]

@@dsblue1977 tl;dr Steve Ballmer's infamous "DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!" line. Unless third-party developers get onboard, the best consumer computing hardware in the world is as performant as cooling a desktop CPU with a Peltier.

[@inwedavid6919]

and in this case he can upgrade the RAM, drive and graphic card of the PC while he can't on the Mac, a great problem of the mac now it its lack of expandability especially it is anoying to need to buy again a 4000$ computer because you simply lack a 100$ RAM or SSD expension

[@jonathanheider9295]

This was such a helpful look into loving with a tool. Too often we have to rely on benchmarks and don’t represent how systems behave in each step of the workflow. Love this kind of coverage.

[@FranciscoGomes11]

I love how artistic this channel is. Amazing!

[@bailey16]

Would love to see more workflows with the new studio. Thanks Johnathan!

[@BohdanChub]

I've heard of "creative specialists" so many times. But only on occasions, people are willing to invest their time into research and sharing the actual experience of creatives.

[@CattoRayTube]

Have been watching a lot, lot less LMG content lately, but I still leap at new Mac Address videos. This was a great use case example which really highlights the tripping points for early M1/2 adopters.

[@realityjunkie09]

Same.... weird to say this but Mac address > LTT

[@linuxliaison]

@@realityjunkie09 It's not a competition tho?

[@lsdmolelekki]

As a 3D fashion designer and tech nerd this video scratched all the itches! Also Clo3D is an amazing software that literally has given me a new career path. Great vid!

[@2A4ever]

As many have already pointed out here in other comments, this channel is incredible for the kind of content it offers that other channels (including even those in the LMG) don't get anywhere close to. I would never have thought to seek out a fashion designer of all people, but this was truly an interesting look not only into an entirely different industry from what is usually covered in this type of video, but how someone in that industry might use the same technology and software as someone in a completely different line of work. That being said, I would LOVE to see you guys do this same kind of video but with software engineers and other IT professionals who maybe like using a Mac personally, but their work requires constant switching between native macOS and virtualized x86-based Windows. I love my current Intel MBP from 2019 and want to upgrade to a newer M-powered MBP, but I have to be able to virtualize Win10 because of some very specific old software and code libraries that we rely on.

[@iamfmos]

Just as expected. Amazing production as always. 👏🏻

[@deuspax]

I've tried myself clo3D on both platforms - even on PC I don't recommend using GPU Your designer is very very polite, clo3D is a nightmare on mac Of course, it is by any means a software issue - for any software to move to an ARM platform requires a huge amount of human resources, time and money - there is a long way until this type of platform is going to take over (if is the case of going to take over)

[@ghost-user559]

It will take over by sheer energy savings alone, especially with the energy costs going up globally. More speed, better battery, less energy usage, and in a smaller form factor with BETTER thermals? Yeah it will take over the market. The unfortunate thing is that the transition will ultimately brick and bury perfectly functional machines in the coming years as more and more companies inevitably stop pouring development into older architectures. I have a 32 bit netbook for hobby usage that is from 2009, and it’s essentially impossible to find software or an OS that actually supports that computer. Out of the once limitless options I now only get the choice between a few Linux OS and whatever old software that still has some version available for 32 bit. So that transition from previous architecture might be a few years coming? But maybe not with 250% increases in uk energy costs, or states like CA banning certain “gaming PC sales” for “climate change”. It’s dystopian, but I could easily see ARM SOCs being all but a requirement in the coming years for efficiency alone. I also see software locked “throttling” for “environmental protection” being baked into firmware with an over clock killswitch. Not a good future

[@deuspax]

@@ghost-user559 hey, I think that indeed your thoughts about energy costs are a bit dystopian yet, I was happy to find this morning at the gas station a better price even before the russian invasion - quite sure that very soon all this fuss around the energy prices will come to an end as the covid hysteria did. Most probably ARM or maybe other technology based on RISC arhitecture is going to take over due to the very good thermal management and of course better battery for mobile products

[@ghost-user559]

@@deuspax It depends on what county you are in. In the UK I have heard schools discussing removing entire days of education from the curriculum to “cut energy costs”. And political figures in Germany are recommending they “not shower” but instead “use a wash cloth to wipe down”. You might not agree with the timeframe, and perhaps you are not watching current events as closely. California did in fact make the sale of certain PCs illegal to be purchased in the state. People would have to cross state lines to purchase certain gaming PCs. We are talking about a very large and wealthy state banning consumers from purchasing a computer based upon energy consumption. I don’t like it. And I hope you are right that it subsides. But unfortunately I think there is a long road of pain ahead before this situation gets better. It’s going to get much worse yet.

[@deuspax]

@@ghost-user559 unfortunately for us politicians from everywhere, during the pandemic, learned that they could have more stable positions when population is in panic, lucky us, the economy doesn't care about politics so calm down, the ones that soon are going to run off of fuel are their egocentric interests

[@utubekullanicisi]

I don't think a platform has to "take over" for apps to be optimized for them. The pro Mac userbase is still very much existent, and since the introduction of Macs with Apple's own silicon the overall Mac userbase has actually been stealing marketshare from the Windows market as well. More developers need to take macOS seriously, especially in the gaming world, as we now live in an era where even the baseline Macs have pretty decent GPUs now thanks to Apple silicon and its GPU perf/watt.

[@dtronic]

I love the honesty, the care, the joy and the disappointment conveyed through the beauty that is Mac Address.

[@ohellgaming]

I like the more documentary approach in this video. Really nicely done.

[@frestyl]

Since Apple and NVIDIA broke ties to stay on the mac, I have tried everything I could afford to stick with Apple. The stabliity of the OS and reliable of my production systems had been worth it. However, that's not the case anymore and this video illustrate exactly why I am (sadly) moving to PC for production work. 3D acceleration, while not the most accurate is the fastest. And you typically do not need absolute accuracy during most of the creative process where you are grinding through itteration until you start nailing down the details. All of that time adds up.

[@ghost-user559]

Why not just have both available? Honestly for a professional workflow I don’t see any downside. It’s well worth the upfront cost if you are making money with both platforms. It’s just a hard sell in certain environments

[@utubekullanicisi]

It is what it is. Even with optimized software I think Nvidia (and specifically Nvidia, I think AMD also has some software compatibility stuff that they need to figure out) will still come out ahead, thanks to software like Blender making use of Nvidia's hardware ray tracing acceleration, which is non-existant on Apple silicon. But I imagine the next few iterations of Apple's GPU architecture ought to give us exactly that, so I'm still looking forward to comparisons between Apple and Nvidia systems when that happens (and I actually have high hopes for how Apple will perform in ray tracing thanks to the large amounts of cache their GPUs have, so at least keeping the beast fed, which is especially a problem in ray tracing, will not be a problem).

[@JoseRuiz1348]

I’m recently back in the market for a Mac upgrade. I already have a keyboard, mouse, and a monitor setup with a 2017 27” 5k iMac. I think I might go with the Mac Studio! It is so exciting to see all these KZbin videos. Wondering if I should wait for Apple September event

[@macaddress]

I don't expect a Mac to be announced next week. What apps do you use?

[@CA11100]

MBP 14 is on sale right now on Best Buy. $400 off

[@mavfan1]

There will always be something new coming in a few months.

[@UnluckyJellyfish]

I love seeing a new MAC address video. I wish the upload schedule was more regular but I understand there is only so much mac stuff you’ll can do

[@peterh7575]

at 7:06 "You can't expect everything to work" - quite a shift from "it just works"

[@TalesOfWar]

The whole line is "it just works seamlessly". The press loved to miss the end bit off to mock them when it didn't.

[@f.remplakowski]

Thank you for actually looking into something other than video and photo, it's refreshing to see something else. I feel like Apple is not serious about other creative paths and tends to focus on its core KZbinr/Moving image crowd. They break their OS too often and it means users have to stay up to date every year which is too expensive for software that isn’t a subscription. Subscription software has become too expensive to be economically/competitively viable for many creative people unless you are already successful but that leaves people out who are trying to get somewhere and need to stay in touch with their skills. There was a time when Apple was hungry for Mac market share and made more open hardware but this locked down (soldered or software locked) design direction really stinks for current users and potential customers. It's a shame as I do think Apple's silicon design is impressive but no one is going to care if their computers aren't attractive as affordable tools with longevity and software support. I mean really what is anyone going to do with the usual starting capacity of 256GB or 512GB that is not user upgradable? How is that meant to last a student the usual 3 years through their course and beyond? Do they honestly expect people to carry around losable external storage to manage their data? That or pay Apple's extreme prices and have to wait ages for the thing to be manufactured and shipped to you. It also highlights how tied to Nvidia CUDA a lot of software is. Not sure if AMD has something of parity but it would be good to see some competition (and easy implementation) there as I think my choice is made when looking for a new PC and I think its important to have other options.

[@harmvzon]

As long as Octane and Redshift render so much faster on Nvidia, I’m not switching. Also our render pipeline works perfectly now on Linux. Apple must have serious benefits to convert a lot of CG artist.

[@perrojoshua]

what a great video. i loved it. keep it up guys.

[@carnsoaks1]

Matthews design reminded me of a funky dance dragon. It was cool, fella. Props.

[@zachmoring284]

Would love to see some Mac Address coverage focused on CS applications: Software engineering, full-stack development, data science models, etc.

[@poweruwa]

I just don't see the point. The industry is leaning harder and harder away from Macs for this and they're not intensive applications anyway.

[@zheil9152]

Modern Fullstack dev work is just npm, node 16 is native arm so you’re good there. You do run into issues with embedded development and x86 containers.

[@Just_Mike_Eh]

@@zheil9152 Most embedded processors are arm based (at least in my experience) and compile fine on M1 Macs. Compiling for IMX6 and IMX8 based systems for example in my experience was considerably faster on M1 Mac than other co-workers on x86 systems. Out of curiosity what embedded devices are you compiling for that are x86?

[@TheNewMountain]

@@poweruwa As a senior software engineer, I'm going to have to disagree. Everywhere I go, I still see _a lot_ of Macbooks in dev hands. In backend dev and devops circles, I still see plenty of macbooks and a small but growing trend of deploying to arm targets (Graviton). A question I am definitely interested in is the M1 to graviton dev workflow. I love my macbook (Intel 16" MBP) and am actively waiting until this MBP explodes before upgrading. I haven't gotten a satisfying (comprehensive) answer to how easily, or not, I could convert a lot of DevOps centric workflows (read: VMs and containers) and when I might expect those sorts of workflows to be reasonably ergonomic (if ever). I suspect a lot of devs are in the same boat as me: paralyzed. I don't want to discover I can't virtualize something, build or run a certain docker container or compile something without a lot of hacks and workarounds that cost me time. I've tried to run full time in Ubuntu, but the peripheral support was horrendous (thanks Elgato). So instead I wait either Linux support for peripherals gets to at least Mac levels of support or: Mac starts taking the developer experience seriously again and/or the dev community sorts it out for them.

[@s.i.m.c.a]

@@TheNewMountain as a senior engineer you should understand that M1 ARM, Graviton, Altera ARM, Embedded - Raspberry pi(4b, Zero) and so on are all different implementations of ARM on a hardware level with different features packed inside and might work differently, thus requiring optimization for specific arm cpu. In such case, even if someone using M1 to be able to deploy to some server on ARM, in most common sense it means nothing.

[@TyroSean]

I'm a motion graphics designer who runs an M1 Max Mac Studio at home and has a Threadripper 3960x RTX 3080 PC in the office. I'm running the same older version of After Effects (through Rosetta on my Mac) and the Mac Studio absolutely SMOKES the PC in After Effects performance (both rendering and scrubbing). (I haven't tried the new After Effects version yet as I work with a team sharing project so we all have to update at the same time for stability reasons, but I am looking forward to seeing the performance increase with that). Cinema4D on the other hand is miles faster on the PC due to the sheer power of the GPU. Gotta use the right tool for the job. I'm annoyed that the team behind Arnold renderer doesn't seem to show any interest in building an M1 native version so while Cinema4D itself is fully M1 optimised, Arnold and many other plugins are not and many of the teams behind those plugins have announced they have no plans on updating them to support Apple Silicon any time soon. This seems to be a recurring theme and is going to fuck over many professionals who want to use a new Mac for their work.

[@s.i.m.c.a]

well, if you wanted to use mac - use software that supports it. Or of you need the software, what is the difference which hardware or OS would be ?

[@TyroSean]

@@s.i.m.c.a That's the thing - the software *does* support Apple Silicon, it's the plugins that save time/add enhancements that aren't all fully updated yet, and some developers can't be bothered to rewrite their code for updated hardware.

[@yoanndouared1900]

@@TyroSean That's Autodesk for you. There's still no news about an Apple silicon version of maya, and Autodesk being so high end vfx focused I'm not sure that will bother with it until a mac appears

[@TyroSean]

@@yoanndouared1900 I think most developers are seeing if there’s a market for it first (similar to games), but the thing is there can’t *be* a market until the software is there first! It’s truly a chicken-and-the-egg situation

[@jajssblue]

I would love a follow up video where you interview various app developers about the Metal API and the experience / incentive to support yet another ecosystem.

[@bobbyhinner3225]

I was debating in getting an apple silicon Mac, but this video really helped me realize I don't think it's time yet. I don't really need a new machine, I just was looking at getting something shiny and new. Seeing how so much isn't ported yet, holding off seems best. Like teams is something I use often, and if that isn't even ported, I doubt most anything else I use would be

[@Neoxon619]

I was mostly interested in the M2 Mac Pro, but the Mac Studio seems to be a solid computer.

[@DerekDavis213]

If you want to upgrade or repair the Mac Studio, you are in trouble. Mac Studio is a disposable computer, priced up to $7000 USD.

[@iliasiosifidis4532]

Clo3D and Cinema4D (C4D) were so bad advertisements! They do not work that well in mac, not for the money studio costs anyway. The reason is that as years are progressing, GPUz do not use raw performance, but accelerated graphics for every 3D application, including games, simulations, rendering 3D, vfx, etc, so Nvidia has the lead

[@bmo3778]

I love seeing these real-life situations to truly test the products capabilities

[@foxman150]

I love Jonathan’s take on these things. He doesn’t sugar coat it and gives you real world pros and cons. As a person who recently made the switch to Mac for the first time(PC user for 30 years). I have come to appreciate these videos to balance my expectations.

[@farawaythrower]

I dont think his PC and the mac studio cost near eachother, Pretty sure the PC is a decent bit cheaper.

[@Lying29]

My opinion: Apple is correct about the transition and also it pushes the performance of x64 chips much further within the last two years. But there is one thing Apple is absolutely wrong, people are far more tolerant to heat, fan noise, cost and power bill when the machine is used for productivity. Regardless of those compatibility issues, the cost of high-end m1/2 machines are not that appealing either when you can basically upgrade your working pc parts by parts. Still, thanks to Apple silicon, these days, AMD, Intel and Nvidia are really doing something meaningful.

[@yaschan99]

This is sooooo good and honest video! I am CG artist by profession and I tried Marvelous Designer (Which is the game artists version of CLO3D) and bumped into this and worse issues. I also noticed the software being so unstable that I wouldn't be willing to use that. I don't know what version Apple was using in their demo but that sure was not the version we have now available.

[@REOsama]

Thanks a lot for making these videos, they prevent a lot of pain!

[@Tunca_Arslan]

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[@ajfromca]

Personally I think a lot of the hype around apple silicon is purely marketing. I’m a JAMF admin and spend my entire day dealing with Mac and various applications. The vast majority of software still runs on Rosetta. Apple has dropped in developer engagement with apple silicon. Apple really needs to do more to bring developers in and developers back that have left. Apple needs to extend the olive branch of you will.

[@DanKaschel]

It's definitely not hype in terms of hardware performance or efficiency. But software is, as usual, their Achilles heel.

[@pmc_]

In my experience as a software developer, Apple Silicon is fantastic when working with things that don't use Docker and x86-specific images. On my personal laptop, I only have 8 Intel processes running according to Activity Monitor, all of which being small apps (like OneDrive, Zotero, and Synology Drive) where performance doesn't matter much at all. All of my developer tools are compiled natively for Apple Silicon, and run quite a bit faster than they did on my old Intel Mac.

[@TalesOfWar]

This is the perfect example of the software just not being very good. You could run MacOS on the same PC hardware and it'd still suck because they haven't optimised it for anything but Windows. I blame the developers of the software. Autodesk and Adobe are like this too. They REALLY drag their feet on making stuff work properly on the Mac.

[@Leonardo-ik9fx]

good video as always, no screams or overexaggeration, the image quality was superb what camera are you guys using?

[@macaddress]

Sony FX6

[@Catzzye]

This is a correct approach on testing the real world performance of the device

[@rhysmuir]

This channel has really become exploring the limitations of Macs, and subtly why PC are often a better choice

[@nich6089]

I like all the real world tests you guys are doing

[@jsirius94]

I appreciate the approach you have to apple content, especially as my wife is shopping for a new Macbook. Keep up the good work!

[@JKHYT]

2:33 yea, very excited

[@prayagsuthar9856]

This is the video I didn't know I needed! If I had not seen this, I would have defaulted to thinking the Mac Studio was great at everything, but as usual, this MA video proves to be an eye-opener 👀 And I'm glad you showed a real-life use case for computers like this and showcased every nook and cranny of the usage, that part is what helped deepen my understanding.

[@Tunca_Arslan]

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[@falki]

Make a series out of it. I would like to see more usecases tested against the mac

[@BarnabyFWNightingale]

Just switched! I’m an Ableton Live-reliant audio pro and only a few of my everyday plugins use Rosetta, and I can run the app natively while using Rosetta AU plugins. Things are working so much better than I expected. I just switched from an i9 MacBook Pro to an M2 Air and it’s been delightful, I plan on picking up a Mac Studio once we’re a few generations in, I’m fully convinced of the power and utility of Apple Silicon.

[@ZackTrunzo]

Fantastic video! Would love to see something similar from a filmmakers perspective.

[@aphelionmedia]

They’ll never do that lol. They seem to try really hard to make Mac’s seem terrible.

[@ZackTrunzo]

@@aphelionmedia I'm not even saying the Mac would win. I use both Mac and PC but it's always nice to see real world comparisons from people who have access to all the latest hardware. I also feel for desktop PC is great but I really want a valid laptop competitor Dell XPS is close but lacks battery, crazy fans etc...

[@Aepek]

0:46 okay, love the tattoo body art, ya gotta show the whole thing though, cuz now curious what design it is, and really does look awesome. Mine is only 25% complete and hopefully one day I’ll be able to finish it. Looks awesome and amazing though Matthew 👍🏻👍🏻

[@JettingChen]

Production quality of this video is like a bona fide tv show!

[@FooFighter477]

Really like that this is not just an Apple simp channel but besides things that work great for them shows things that do not work. Definitely desereves my respect.

[@KrycekA]

As a Java developer I really like my 16” Macbook Pro. The only issues I ran into so far were some Docker images that didn’t support arm64 yet. Other than that, I am really satisfied with the permormance. Compiling code is way faster than on Intel macs!

[@bhaveshdevjani3278]

Is "mvn clean install" fast enough? Considering M2 air

[@KrycekA]

@@bhaveshdevjani3278 I saw a significant improvement when doing clean installs on large code bases. Some were over 50% faster! :)

[@LukerVR]

YAY FINALLY NEW MAC ADRESS VIDEO

[@peterbreis5407]

Just loved Matthew's wild enthusiasm at the prospect of using Mac again.

[@hoagiespirit8351]

I got a base model Mac Studio not too long ago. I have to run my Logic Pro X projects in Rosetta because a good chunk of my plugins aren’t native yet. It does run absolutely fantastic even though it has to do that extra layer of work. I’m able to run so much larger projects without having to worry about freezing or bouncing down stuff. Photoshop runs ever so slightly better on my Mac Studio vs a i7 12700k 3070 32gb ram pc at my work. But photoshop honestly has been super buggy / straight up bad on both platforms lately with the large many art-board projects I’ve been doing lately, especially with scratch disks. My base model Mac Studio absolutely demolishes my 2020 i5 MacBook Pro. I have absolutely no regrets going mac studio instead of a pc. (Honestly the Mac experience is worth it to me even if going pc is better performance wise for a lot of things, Mac just makes me happy) The transition has been great and a lot less painful than I was originally expecting but I know there’s a lot more processing power just waiting to be utilized on this machine.

[@Izanami95]

love that logitech mousepad. I have the same one! What a missed opportunity for the LTT deskpad plug

[@pilkycrc]

As others have said, it depends on the software and use case. For code complication the base M1 was already significantly faster than the 9900K in my old iMac and the M1 Ultra is a good leap over the M1. For using Blender, it’s pretty fantastic for general editing, but my gaming PC’s 2070 Super would probably crush it in rendering. I mean the general view I’ve seen since release is if a task is CPU bound then an Apple Silicon Mac is probably going to do incredibly well. If it’s GPU bound then they’ve got a long way to go

[@daniellundin8543]

Loved it. Please, more real world with Mac Studio, cause I am in thinking of buying one.

[@Tunca_Arslan]

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[@connormccloy9399]

I use a library app made for iPad on my Mac mini. I can't do certain things with it because of stability issues, but it's useful enough.

[@Cavejohnson34]

I'd love to see this channel make some videos about app development software. As an iOS developer, I'm locked into the Mac ecosystem anyway, so it would be nice to get some comparisons to help me decide what to upgrade to

[@arcariusmexen1104]

More videos like this please. Next one should feature your software engineering team.

[@Isamu27298]

I really like this conversational style video. MacAdress did a really good job creating their own identity and style.

[@dajamesthompson]

More Mac Studio videos!

[@Alex-kn7cb]

I love how critical these videos are.

[@ElijahCiali]

The biggest advantage for me as an Motion Design artist who recently got a Mac Studio in my post facility is that it's a lot less stressful than my M1 Max lapotp. I definitely don't feel like I'm "pushing" it as hard due to the better cooling system. Almost all AE Plugins have native versions now so I can actually use the native After Effects and it's really good! Only problem is that it occasionally will have misrendered frames and you have to dump the ENTIRE cache (recreating which could take tens of minutes to hours) to make it rerender the frame.

[@nomadicdragon7157]

Matthew you’re an amazing fashion designer!

[@Spanky2k]

For my use case, my Mac Studio with M1 Ultra has been more than capable but I was coming from a 12 core 2009 Mac Pro. I likely would have been fine with a simple M1 (if it supported more RAM) or an M1 Pro. I use Parallels for an x86 Windows payroll software, Matlab in Rosetta mode for analysis and calculations and then it's a mix of Outlook, Excel, Teams and a few thousand Safari and Chrome windows. It's plenty fast enough for everything I need it for. However, one thing I wasn't expecting (and that Matthew actually touches upon here) is that I've realised that an M1 based laptop would probably have been a better option. I've always had big powerful desktops and then a low end or older Apple laptop as an occasional travel machine but Apple's processors are now so darned powerful that I can have pretty much the same performance while mobile and I'd quite like to be able to take my desktop with me when I travel. I'm considering getting a 16" MacBook Pro with M2 Pro when it comes out and then selling my Mac Studio. It'll likely still be the 'current' model so resale should be pretty high. I'd end up running the MBP in a dock with the screen shut 95% of the time but for those 5% times when I want to work elsewhere, I can take my whole desktop with me. I love the Mac Studio and think it's an incredible machine and immensely capable but it's so much faster than the kind of stuff Apple has been lumbered with for the last few years that it easily does everything I need it to. For a little less than what I paid for my M1 Ultra Mac Studio with 64GB RAM and 2TB SSD, I could have got a 16" M1 Pro MBP with otherwise the same specs. We'll see what happens with the M2 Pro release.

[@Joard7]

Hey there! 😊 Off the cuff, but I was totally engrossed in WWDC yesterday and those M2 Ultra revelations really caught my eye! 🚀 It brought me back to one of your stellar videos, and it sparked an idea. How about a similar video but this time, focusing on the M2 Ultra? I'm watching my finances carefully, and your reviews are like my treasure map in the world of tech purchases. I'm specifically interested in the M2 Ultra for 3D editing. I really think your take could be the golden key that helps me decide whether to spring for it or not. 🤔 Your reviews are an absolute delight - so honest, so accurate, and they truly hit the mark! 🎯 Sending you a virtual high-five 👋 for all your fantastic work. Can't wait to see more! Cheers! 🎉

[@louispalermo9975]

I’m in architecture-civil engineering field. On my last year of college - first year of practice I made the switch to Mac only. And man, it’s been rough. But it’s actually serviceable. The old intel macs run Revit decently enough for domestic and small tower BIM (15 floors no issues, 40+ starts being annoying). My uncle gifted me a m1 air and same song but faster, and waaaaay more comfortable in my backpack haha. Still the biggest issue is that I’m still latched into Windows for the main architectural programs and suites, and even though parallels does a great job running windows on a bootcampless m1 world, I’m usually a windows or Mac update away from it breaking compatibility with Revit, robot, vray, etc and halting my work completely. So, idk when it works it’s fine enough but you can’t go only Mac. That being said, used macs are a better bang for your buck than used windows laptops in my experience haha.

[@a1asdairpage]

Teams was the last bit of software that was giving me trouble. I didn’t even know it had finally been released for Apple Silicon and I checked today and I have it, so thanks for the heads up!

[@chetana9802]

this is a great video to tell you how hard it is to move from one hardware to another

[@swapnil003]

Intresting. Apple n reviewers make Mac studio sound like its soo capable. Thanks for showing us the real picture ।

[@Tunca_Arslan]

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[@Gaijin101]

Really appreciate the level headed takes :) Cant say the same for main LTT xD

[@cd-bitcrshr]

I’m a software engineer and just switched from an i9 macbook to a m1 pro for work. I was surprised how seamless it was-haven’t had a single compatibility issue. Everything runs so much faster, and I haven’t even heard the fans turn on.

[@SpencerChong]

Smart video concept to link Mac studio & a very "out there" industry as fashion is not always correlated to tech. And cheeky since this dude designs the LTT clothing 😉

[@United_Wings]

Its amazing

[@solomon0o0o0ozz]

True honest review and not some crap like other channels misleading people.

[@raymart86]

OBS isn’t running natively yet for live streaming. It performs fairly well with Rosetta but can be a little buggy. I’ve also had trouble with Mac OS calendar on Monterey where if you use alerts to open files it will reopen the files a few times. I reported this to Apple through Apple Feedback but not had a response. I switched to using Crontab through the terminal which isn’t as nice of a UI but very reliable.

[@TheNewGreenIsBlue]

This was a good video! Computers are tools and this fashion designer used the tool that works. He's not a fanboy, he just wants to get his work done. He likes the Mac, likely for the design ethos, but in the end, he'll just use the machine that works for him.

[@zeus1117]

Performance and SW compatibility are really important but having a professional machine for your work honestly requires that machine to be maintainable! you can't afford to hand it in somewhere for support and be without it for weeks, you need to able to replace crucial parts if required. Not even mentioning the upgradeability aspect...