We Test Them All! These Are the Top 10 Most Fuel Efficient New Trucks When Towing!

[@jasperpitrello2582]

These guys clearly love what they do, keep up the great work!

[@Xrex-li1yb]

Jasper Pitrello the ridgline gets best mpg

[@wimjim1979]

@@Xrex-li1yb the Ridgeline is a minivan

[@Xrex-li1yb]

wimjim1979 no it’s not the f150 is a minivan

[@davidseinen3483]

Guccibeast 0 the ridgeline is a joke of a truck.

[@Xrex-li1yb]

David Seinen no it’s not the cybertruck is

[@EastCoastATV]

Summary in case you don't have time to watch all the way through. Towing MPG Test 7. Toyota Tundra 8 mpg 6. Ford F150 V8 9.8 mpg 5. Chevrolet Silverado 6.2 V8 10.6 mpg 4. Nissan Titan Diesel 10.7 mpg 3. Ford F150 Diesel 11.6 mpg 2. Chevy Silverado Diesel 12 mpg (34 mpg not towing!) 1. Ram 1500 eco diesel 12.42 mpg (33 mpg not towing) Plus 3 bonus trucks!

[@mattmstng8]

How about the same list but on the highway mpg loop unloaded. Would be great to know!

[@robertbenton6649]

And the model year.

[@live_the_moment_with_arnol5661]

Love the toyota very powerful and good on fuel economy

[@dnlcast2]

@@live_the_moment_with_arnol5661 it has the worst mpg tho

[@live_the_moment_with_arnol5661]

@@dnlcast2 i just saying for me it is good on fuel and don't know how it doing for other people but for me mine is perfection

[@maraudersr1043]

As other viewers stated, you need to use the same trailer for all testing. For 4x2 and 4x4 comparison all you need to do is add or subtract weight to compensate.

[@jbandit2044]

MarauderSr I would think there’s also more frictional loss on the 4x4 drivetrain

[@stevengrey1948]

Curious to how well the Ford ecoboost motors performed. Was it tested? They are an interesting balance of power and fuel efficiency because you don't have to pay the diesel premium when filling up.

[@Alyosha00]

Very informative video. I suggest though you guys add a dollar-adjusted MPG number or simply the actual gas cost of doing the test. A few of these trucks with great advertised MPG require premium gas; this offsets easily 20% of that MPG 'efficiency'. And at the end of the day, what matters for most people is the ultimate dollar cost.

[@richrigney4610]

The results will vary between the trucks based on which trailer and how aerodynamic it is. Unless you use the identical trailer for each test, the results are going to be slightly skewed. Possibly 1-2 MPG.

[@RobertHawk]

Especially at these higher speeds

[@armytruth6860]

My 2010 F150 lariat 4x4 was towing around 11,000lb and I was getting 7-8.5 mpg depending on the road and speed and hills.

[@fivespeed3026]

Getting slightly better mileage but paying more for premium or diesel fuel...does it really pay off getting better mileage with more expensive fuel? Y’all should include a $ per mile figure.

[@WhoThisGuy515]

Fuel prices fluctuate wildly from state to state, gas station to gas station and even day to day so it would be extremely inaccurate to do that.

[@ShadowOppsRC]

Semis are diesel for a reason. Plus while not towing better millage with a diesel. Trust me on this. If i had a gas motor my one ton would be getting 8mpg on a good day instead of 13 or 14 around town. Gets 20 on the road instead of 12.

[@johnmoore1495]

Fivespeed 302 the only big benefit to diesel these days is if you’re towing really heavy a lot of the time. I believe they have done a video breaking down pricing over time to break even.

[@fivespeed3026]

John Moore I agree but when you’re comparing MPG, you can’t omit $ per gallon when comparing the two.

[@GYPSY400]

I have an app on my phone to track fuel mileage.. premium gets better mileage, but the cost per mile works out to about the same as using regular fuel.

[@jfletcher0516]

Still waitin on the Ford 7.3L gas Ike test.

[@melvinhunt6976]

I have a 2015,2.7 ecoboost, 2 wheel drive. Have gotten 25.5 on Hwy. Consistently 22,23 Hwy. Had 2007 4.6 , 22.5 on Hwy BUT in town 9,10 mpg. The 2.7 15,16 around town!

[@lanceripplinger8352]

You guys are by far my favorite automotive journalists! Merry Christmas and keep up the excellent work!

[@jaytrock3217]

It sucks that you are not comparing them on the same loop. Seems like the longer loop gives higher numbers than shorter one.

[@TFLtruck]

The loop distance does not affect the MPG that much at all. The biggest variance comes due to wind conditions / aerodynamics.

[@fredpinczuk7352]

@@TFLtruck But why different distances? Would it not have taken another variable out?

[@wsmcook]

The longer loop allows engines to run at their peak efficiency for a longer period of time.

[@HumpDaddy01]

@@wsmcook these ppl @ tfl don't know much about scientific method...

[@ridgewalker2416]

Just an FYI, but wind resistance cuts fuel mileage more than trailer weigh in my experience. Also I understood you to say the 6.2 Chevy used premium? If so the fuel calculation should be calculated to reflect that IMO. I really enjoy these comparisons. Sad the companies don’t give you identical vehicles (2wd vs 4WD, axle ratios, etc) to get a bit more accurate comparisons. Thanks for doing these!

[@stevebounds4285]

I just drove my 2002 F350 4x4 crew cab 7.3L loaded bed and 6x12 uhaul loaded to the Max, 3000 miles from DC to California. Worst tank was 11.5mpg Most were 14mpg.

[@mt1885]

www.carcomplaints.com/news/2019/ford-truck-death-wobble-lawsuit-f-250-f-350.shtml not their only problem.....

[@mefastocastigo]

The Chevy had the hay cargo area on top of the trailer slightly less aerodynamic than previous test.

[@_LAND_OF_THE_FREE_]

Do a 2 wheel drive test towing , then a 4 wheel drive towing test keep them separate.

[@wildbill23c]

That would actually be quite interesting to see how much fuel efficiency is lost with a 4x4 powertrain. I wouldn't think there would be much loss? So, someone should do this I'm interested to see...do bare bones trucks too, not all the fancy nonsense crap. If you are buying a truck as a tow vehicle you want the most basic you can get, yes that means a regular cab, 2WD with max tow package....people can't grasp the fact that every little feature they add, cab style, etc. drops the towing/hauling capacity of the vehicle, this applies not only to pickups but SUV's, cross overs, etc. Ford boasts what a 30k+ towing capacity, but that's with a base model regular cab 4x2 dually diesel pickup, not the crew cab 4x4 dually diesel Platinum for example.

[@_LFOD1836]

The Chevy trailer had a hay box on top causing added drag. The Ram did not..

[@grandjeep6367]

EXACTLY, and trailers with holes/windows vs complete closed trailer makes a difference too. It's either these guys get paid to lie or they don't know what they're doing. They never have a fair comparison video. V6 vs V8's, different trims, etc etc.

[@tony-the-tigerjohns3294]

These guys should purchase a plain, 2-axle box trailer and use it on all of their tests. Apples-to-apples.

[@franciscomorales3452]

Brad Larsen Chevy was a double cab not a crew cab and the Chevy was 2 wheel drive

[@fit4ya1975]

@@franciscomorales3452 4:05. Did you even watch the video??

[@CJIEngineering]

Great summary of your testing. Just curious why you have reduced the towing loop distance down to 66 miles from 98 miles? Getting up to speed uses a significant amount of fuel while towing so I would expect 66 mile test to always show lower mpg results than the ones that where allowed to stay at speed longer. It skews your test data and thus the results for this list.

[@grandjeep6367]

@RJ AB, FACTS.

[@larryspiller15]

Tfl doesn't care much about accuracy if it means they have to work harder

[@dansherwood1043]

As long as they test them all the same you get a good reference to each vehicle.

[@aj06bolt12r]

Time is money, fuel is money... what did you pay to see this? That's why

[@duncdunc76]

Gotta agree with Chad Ivan. I do like watching the TFL channels but this vid is not very precise when they use different distance loops and who's to know the elevation changes on the different loops and then they said they possibly used 2 different trailers. Even though they may be loaded to the same weight if one has a v nose and the other is a flat nose that will affect mpg. I understand it's just a reference test but you would think a chan like TFL would be serious about making the test as precise as possible. Maybe that's too much to ask for though I don't know.

[@paulmessinger5590]

Your tests need to use the same trailer to provide proper results. Everyone knows that at 70 MPH the aerodynamic load is more critical than the actual weight. Trailer height, width and design will alter your results. I suggest you buy an actual TFL test trailer so it's always available. Another note: Cruise control does not provide best fuel economy when towing in my experience. I also suggest comparison towing a nice 20' Ski boat against a box (enclosed cargo) trailer of the same weight would provide your viewers with better information.

[@der_Emanuel]

The comparison is basically worthless when not using identical trailers

[@jghall00]

I agree. Perhaps a used travel trailer.

[@michaellowe3665]

I have an expedition that can get 12mpg pulling an open car hauler with another 5000 pound truck on it. When I pull a lightweight 12ft long box trailer empty, I get 7mpg. The aerodynamics make all the difference, not the weight. Hills and wind direction really make a difference too. If they did a test loop but the wind changed during the test it could greatly skew the results.

[@dalek.6171]

@@jghall00 Makes good sense, the most common thing towed with a 1/2 ton.

[@jcart011]

Also looks like on the GM they went 66 miles instead of 98??

[@ym776]

You should also take in consideration the cost of each U.S average Gasoline price: Regular $2.50 Premium $3.02 = 21% more than regular Diesel $3.05 = 22% more than regular If a V8 that run on "regular" do 10 mpg and a engine that run on "diesel" or "premium" do 12 mpg. It cost the same at the end... And take also in consideration, the diesel cost a couple thousand more to buy...

[@micahwest5175]

Y M true, but if you throw that in, you also have to throw in longevity. Diesels are built to perform way longer than gas, so...

[@jesseguevara]

Here in Cali gas is like $4

[@darkodin2007]

Diesel is cheaper here then gas.

[@wickedleeloopy2115]

The diesel is also more expencive to fix when things stop working also, so maintenance cost is also a factor.....did someone say DPF . You dont want to replace that.

[@buzzpedrotti5401]

How much variation do you get using the same truck and trailer over say 5 times?

[@247reid]

You guys are the benchmark for anything trucks. Keep up the great work!!!!

[@larryw5429]

Unless you take the same route and load mpg can sway a lot!! Hills ect have a dramatic change on mpg.

[@tactickleshtooper1753]

Exactly. That's why a single test (over what the EPA collects, thousands of tests averaged) will not ever give an accurate picture, in fact it's meaningless.

[@jmacnaughton8881]

I'm in the UK, drove from Central Scotland to North Wales and back, long 99% fast long cruising speed roads. I was driving a 2001 Land Rover Discovery TD5 and towing a twin axle car Transporter carrying a Ford Sierra for a combined weight of 2400kgs. The return leg of the journey the trailer was empty so about 1000kg. Over the total journey of 600 miles my old Discovery returned 26.46mpg, this isn't a reading from a trip computer it's by doing the sums same as you guys. With the trailer loaded to capacity of 3500kg it still did over 15mpg around the small roads and towns of Scotland. Our fuel is so expensive, you need to know these things! At the time Diesel was £1.35 a litre (or liter if you're in the US)

[@nilsjohansson9739]

The gas Titan got 2 mpg better than the Tundra and didn't make the list.

[@ALMX5DP]

They did show it's result when talking about the Cummins 5.0 though.

[@modernmusclecar1904]

@@ALMX5DP Why bother with the XD. Use Pro4x in a gas model.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@modernmusclecar1904 pros and cons for both, but 2mpg difference towing is pretty substantial.

[@modernmusclecar1904]

@@ALMX5DP True.

[@julesbabauta]

Nils Johansson If TFL separated the gas and diesel of the Titan like they did with the Chevy, their beloved Tundra wouldn’t make the list.

[@boxerdog5979]

I have a 2017 high country 3500hd diesel that I tow a 3 horse trailer. I am amazed at the MPG it get. All these trucks now are so good.

[@leezananny2639]

I will say this using my own experience. I have two trailers of almost identical weight. One is an 8'x20' enclosed with a flat( square front). The other is a 8'x18' V-nosed, front sloped and arch rounded roof trailer. Both sit at around 8-9k lb when fully loaded. Using my Ford power stroke with the 6.0 motor towing both at no more than 70mph, the average mpg in the highway for the flat faced trailer is 10mpg. The average for the V-nosed trailer is 12.9 mpg. These are my averages over many thousands of miles of towing. My truck is 4x4 with 3.73 rear end. Aerodynamics do seem to be a bigger factor than weight in my experience. Hope that helps some of you. Do the math on those differences.....they are not insignificant.

[@andyharman3022]

Very good point you make. I noticed that some of the trailers were v-front and some were flat-front. Drag coefficient makes a big difference because at 70 mph, aero drag is much larger than rolling resistance.

[@ricwestdoesitwork]

Great job guys. Great video and review of all these trucks. Looking forward to all the 2020 dually stats. Thanks for sharing Andre and Nathan. Super job by all at TFLTruck.

[@kb9oak749]

I have the 2.8 Duramax in my Colorado and it's amazing.

[@johntalbot5470]

That's a 4 cylinder engine correct?

[@leroyroutt4791]

We all get excited when we see better than single digit numbers in fuel economy on these trucks when they are towing but. .. but I bought a 1993 Silverado 4x4 new, with the 5.7 and the 4L60 automatic transmission, hooked my 16 foot steel horse trailer to it , fully loaded with 2 horse's, a pony, all the tack, camping gear, food ect... and averaged 11 mph With a Hypertech brand towing chip upgrade.

[@statenmorgan962]

It would be nice to see all 4x4’s in a test to see which 4x4 gets the best mpg.

[@joelschermerhorn5447]

I pulled 10k# with a rented 2018 EcoBoost 4wd f150 crew cab, on 93 octane and got 11-12 mpg average, 65-70 mph, in manual mode with cruise control. This was using as much hypermiling as I could.

[@99-Zulu]

What's impressive is that the Silverado 6.2 gas v8 essentially matched the mpg from the diesel Cummins.

[@anthonymacneil2279]

Diesel engines aren't what there cracked up to be in half tons

[@ShadowOppsRC]

At the end of the day emissions on brand new diesels cut efficiency down alot. Most trucks if it were legal and did not come with a hefty fine do a lot better deleted.

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

What kills the Cummins is the 3.92 rear end. Held for towing but doesnt help with fuel economy. At 75 I'm at 2k, in my F250 I'm only at 1600rpm

[@andrewterra9709]

rochab77 at 70 I am at 2k with the xd on steel wheels. Tows great with 3.92 though. I will take over a more expensive premium fuel 6.2 that needs to drop cylinders to achieve the same results. Can’t get the 6.2 in low to mid range models.

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

@@andrewterra9709 yep, gotta spend the big bucks to get the 6.2. I love my titan xd. Best seats in any pickup I've ever been in, tows great and doesnt ride as rough as a 3/4 ton.

[@TheGreekTsoureki]

Hey love the video! I'm new to the truck game and looking to purchase a truck..looking for a 2017-2020 not v8. Looking for the best fuel mileage for city driving..needs to be 4x4. 2hatbwoule you recommend?

[@brandonsmith2084]

Just curious as to why the ram was number 1 when on the head to head with the Silverado on the same day and same trailer and same distance it lost to the Silverado but now you're saying it's better?

[@fredpinczuk7352]

Wasn't the same distance, Chevy 3L was tested on a 66 miles (9:09) mile loop, the Dodge 98 mile loop (10:15). Unsure why they didn't keep the same distances, weird way of trying to ensure unbiased opinion. Maybe there are elevation differences?

[@twistedsledder]

Brandon Smith must have missed it somewhere but did he do the calculation using 66 miles was there 2 runs I thought it was a 98 mile loop .

[@brandonsmith2084]

@@twistedsledder Below is the video they had doing both trucks the same exact day with the same trailer. And they did both empty also. Instead they used the 66 mile for the Silverado one from this video but not the Rams and instead used the 98 mile one from the time they did the ram alone and in that one they knew they had a crazy number of 40mpg unladen. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKCTgKivip6MkM0

[@brandonsmith2084]

Both were the 66 mile loop also. Seems like you would go by that one because it should be super accurate.

[@1FiftyOverland]

I'm curious as to why they only did a 66 mile loop with the 5.0 and 2.7 f150s. All others are 98 miles. Think the f150s would do better with more distance? I think so.

[@garthhayward9581]

So basically if you tow less than 7000lbs for long distances any one of 3.0 diesels is the way to go. And if they spend a lot of time driving unloaded then that's even a stronger argument for the 3.0 diesels. Pity the premium over a gas V8 is so high, a couple thousand dollars would be better.

[@wildbill23c]

The problem is the ridiculous cost of additional maintenance, added fuel cost, and the added initial upcharge for the engine. You would have to drive that truck for 30+ years and you may break even at the end in cost in the amount of fuel you really save.

[@garthhayward9581]

William Sevier Diesel is cheaper than Gas in a lot of countries outside the US. But maintenance outside warranty and service contract is always something to think about, (extended service plans) but if you're hauling or towing long distance often it's the motor to get. Still wish they would decrease the price a bit though otherwise Tesla might become even more popular as its battery range gets increased to 600 miles+

[@wildbill23c]

@@garthhayward9581 IDK if a diesel is the one to get if you are towing, my 88 F250 pulled a trailer all over the country, with its 460 V8 never had any issues and its still going strong with 680k on it...the amount of money you spend in added maintenance costs of today's diesels and the ridiculous upcharge for them they're not worth it unless you drive across the country on a daily basis with maxxed out towing capacity...most people are weekend warriors they tow their toys a few times a year for a few miles that doesn't even come close to warranting the ridiculous cost of anything equipped with a diesel...and with the electronic/emissions crap on them now they're far from reliable and they're not as fuel efficient either plus you now need to carry DEF another additional cost. I'll keep my gas engines LOL. But drive what you wish, its your money.

[@JustAnotherJarhead]

@@garthhayward9581 diesel cost less to refine than gas as it is right now... somebody is screwing the American people on this unrefined fuel costing more. but...we just keep taking it...right in the tail pipe.

[@JustinSitler]

Appreciate the high quality reviews and great entertainment. Thank you from Canada!!

[@clashofhoopers7819]

The box front vs the v shape of the trailer it makes a huge difference. 🤔🤓 all with the same trailer please😏🙄

[@MidwayGuy]

Different trailers, different rear end ratios, different transmissions, different trim levels, different loops, different drivers (Mr. Truck was using cruise control, were the others too?), were they all fueled with Love's fuel? Bottom line, an entertaining exercise, but not very scientific.

[@erikhaw7313]

Amazing tests as always, gentlemen! Appreciate the hard work! It’s hard to think of getting a 2 wheel drive truck for me, but the mpg’s are impressive. Even more so for the diesels!

[@ErikR1979]

You did a different loop in the Ford's. Of course there will be a different mileage, it's a different course. Unfortunately that wasn't done with any accuracy.

[@justinjones5281]

Paid by ford.

[@erickrangel7431]

That's pretty cool, I get just above 10mpg in my 1997 f150 5.4L with 4x4 on a good day not even towing.

[@kelly00000111111]

With different test loops, how accurate is this test really

[@TFLtruck]

The test loop always uses the same truck stop and same route. We have used this route for 5 years.

[@hydrothermalworm7778]

@@TFLtruck the question is in regards to the 66 mile vs 98 mile discrepancy

[@kelly00000111111]

Prince John's Mole yes, thanks for the clarification

[@skywalker2852]

@@TFLtruck We are confused - there were two routes (mileage calcs) shown in the video - 98 miles and 66 miles. How are these the same? Thanks for the video!

[@JustAnotherJarhead]

@@TFLtruck Why on earth would you use two different "loops" , why not just drive the same loop? people are looking for a scientific comparison.

[@FordTruckGuyKyle]

The best KZbin channel on KZbin I Own a 2012 F-150 Lariet FX4 6.2 Ford Powered V8! 6.5 bed! 3:73 gear ratio! 6 speed automatic! 4WD! Ingot Silver paint! Platinum factory 2012 F-150! Bully Dog GT Platinum Tuner S&B Cold air intake! Pedal command! 3 inch Exhaust system! Super 44 flowmaster! resonator delete! 5 inch exhaust tip! Max towing 11,300 pounds!

[@ES44AC-2]

If you tow heavy loads 70% of the time you need a Diesel. If you tow heavy loads 20% of the time gas makes more sense. Can't justify the extra cost to ride empty in a diesel(unmodified).

[@paulfaiman5601]

Please Test the Trucks with the same Trailer! Even though the trailers may have equal weight the trailers shown have very different aerodynamics. some had pointed noses, some had flat noses, and some had racks and other hardware on top. All of these affect the aerodynamic efficiency of the tow rig. At 70 MPH these differences can really add up. Also temperatures and seasonal fuel blends can affect the results. Data obtained at nearly the same time with the same conditions (trailer) are the tests that provide the most meaningful results. Keep up the good work.

[@ameza357]

Why didn't they use the 3.5 EcoBoost?

[@ifishcatfish]

haven't seen the video but now im curious. How do u do 'TOP 10' in a segment with only 5 items. Even if u include all of them the segment name should to 'ALL 5'

[@DavidBurgess-captainindustry]

Toyota at the pump. Pump: 12.031 gallons Roman: 12.31! At least get the facts straight, guys.

[@RM.....]

it should have been 8.3 mpg not 7.9 .

[@wildbill23c]

Still not great regardless which of those 2 numbers you use, but it'll tow great, that's what those 4.30 gears will do for you...and its great to see Ford bring that 4.30 back to their trucks and you can get it with the new 7.3L Gas engine in the superduty trucks. You can tow/haul or use your truck as a mall crawler for fuel economy you can't have both its either ordered to be a street queen family sedan or a towing monster.

[@radoliz2]

I like when you give the rear end ratios. That helps

[@bentonbain2916]

The shape of the trailer makes a difference in air dynamics. To do the test properly you need to use the same trailer.

[@jlongjr27]

Also wind direction and wind speed.

[@jamesmoore2007]

And the same route

[@jlongjr27]

@@jamesmoore2007 The same route is important for testing but I've had drastically different mpg on the same route with the difference being a strong tailwind vs headwind vs drafting an 18 wheeler.

[@jeremym.208]

Got 13.2 in 17 F150 2.7, 6 speed ecoboost w/5K boat for several years .. 18.7 around town driving like I stole it.

[@wilburfinnigan2142]

Jeremy how can a 17 model give you "several years" in 19 ????? More like a couple !!!!!

[@jeremym.208]

Bought late 16, just traded up to a 19 last week. So a little more than 24 months.... but who's counting 🤔

[@Bunkysworkshop]

I’m am always stuck between reliability versus 🆚 mpg. I went with the reliability Tundra and will pay for the extra gas 🆚 the cost of break downs etc. I want to go traveling/camping with reliability because At the end of the day high mpg doesn’t mean a thing if it’s broke down.

[@satalac]

Never had a single issue in my F-150.

[@scottnugent4791]

Data supports Toyota reliabilty, but I am thankful for the 38 gallon fuel tank on my Tundra.

[@andrewlinker9718]

I’ve got a question about the Titan. Would you steer clear of the Cummins because of them discontinuing it? I found a good deal on one and I don’t tow heavy enough to justify the extra 15 grand for a 2500?

[@tundras4ever552]

For me , 1 or 2 mpg difference wont nudge me thr slightest towards a particular truck, I'm all about reliability and overall cost Including maintenance

[@martingriego6800]

I sec and that

[@Nicholas-f5]

@@martingriego6800 60 seconds In many minutes

[@porscheguy09]

I’d like to see a mixed driving loop with maybe 1/5 or 1/6 of it being stop and go city type driving. If they could find a back road route without stoplights but that has stop signs that they can drive ten miles or so on and then do the highway portion, it would give them even more realistic numbers.

[@Nostradamus_Order33]

How’s this for a new episode comparison: Compare truck bed sizes in ten years. Then Andre can argue if a two foot bed is better than a one foot bed.

[@philliprader6298]

Thank you for this! Just got my trailer and towing it with my ram 1500 ecodiesel

[@philliprader6298]

On my 5000 trailer on my ram eco diesel I averaged 13 but I was in Redding/lake almonor going to plumas county and there was a TON of steep hills.

[@dgriffin6074]

Your best results WITH trailer are better than the MPG I get on my Gen 1 Honda Ridgeline towing NOTHING. Although it's a reliable pickup for someone who tows (considerably) less than 5000 lbs, it is WAY underpowered. The Gen 2 Ridgeline has more power, but is it enough?

[@SketchyXC]

My Pilot has same motor as the Ridgeline and yes they are underpowered especially when towing. Its fine as a family hauler but i tried using it to tow my atv's once and got 4mpg! Never again...lol I cram the family into the supercab diesels now. Not as comfy but the 6.0 or 6.7 doesnt even know im towing. Was not expecting the honda to struggle so much

[@dgriffin6074]

@@SketchyXC I agree. Given Honda Engineering's history, one would expect more.

[@ignasanchezl]

Great testing. One suggestion/comment: When towing highway, most of the drag generally comes from aerodynamics, rather than weight. Streamlined big rigs, many times get better MPGs than this.

[@jameskorotko1878]

You should test a fully deleted diesel just to compare results.

[@scottnugent4791]

They would get cited by the EPA.

[@ShadowOppsRC]

Super illegal dude! Not a cheap fine either!

[@comment_deleted]

everything could be “theoretical” Or they could “pretend” they are testing them in Mexico

[@comment_deleted]

everything could be “theoretical” Or they could “pretend” they are testing them in Mexico

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

Shadow Opp.'s RC not in Ohio!

[@cheliospanama9786]

Great Video! Thank you 🔥👏💪🫶

[@olov244]

so glad the v8's are still performing well, ecoboost is a sham, they still drink fuel to make power, save the v8

[@anthonymacneil2279]

Well said and 100% agreed

[@ShadowOppsRC]

Amen! Their own test between the coyote v8 and eco trash showed better milage with the v8. No replacement for displacment. The only plus to the eco trash is the turbos at high altitude.

[@olov244]

@@ShadowOppsRC so sell a boosted v8, put a big turbo on so it's got lag and won't use extra gas at low rpm, and when you rev it out and need more power you get the extra hp. best of both worlds, v8 torque with turbo power up top

[@james1965]

You should tow this trailer empty just to see how much it alone affects the mileage...... Thanks for all the cool and informative videos

[@37fiddy]

Testing with different weights makes no sense. If you have a half ton like myself and want to see if it's worth investing in a diesel, then this video doesn't help. Why not just pull the same load with every truck. I like these guys but I question some of their testing methods. Especially when they drag race. They race for what looks like less than ⅛ mile. They should at least race ¼ mile to give some trucks time to open up because the distance they use always gives the advantage to the low end high torque vehicles like the diesels and EcoBoost but given some more distance the Coyote and Chevy 6.2 will be pulling more at the end of the ¼ mile

[@thecitiots]

Would be interested in seeing same trailer 7,000lbs weight and a showdown from 1/2 and 3/4 on who's fuel economy is best. I would go to a 3/4 diesel over my 6.2 sierra if the mpg was significant enough.

[@buzzpedrotti5401]

Can see why Nissan dropped the Cummins 5.0 liter, expensive to purchase and only 10 % better fuel economy.

[@mforce8117]

The Ike gauntlet Titan XD gas vs Diesel was very telling. Gas handed the Diesel its ass.

[@nw3b3r]

TFL - best truck content on KZbin.

[@stevendensmore7653]

12.7mpg on the canyon is what my 2019 f150 4x4 screw gets empty lol the lift and 20x12 wheels probably doesn't help lol

[@ShadowOppsRC]

@falchulk that mpg in the gmc was towing.

[@stevendensmore7653]

@falchulk I also have a lift and big tires and wheels it might be 13-14

[@dennisdollins4003]

The trailer used for the silverado had a large hay rack on top, therefore more wind resistance or drag. The trailer used with the Ford was a slick top trailer with less wind drag, hence the slightly better fuel economy.

[@itsallgood7483]

Comparing 2 wheel drives against 4 wheel drives is fake news for sure ....🙄

[@mikethompson6015]

The pump gallons on the Tundra sure looked like 12.031, not 12.31 like Roman said. Not being able to read decimals correctly swayed that result a bit.

[@badcompan8827]

tundra is an outdated pig. The best thing the truck had going for it was the million mile (twice) 4.7L engine that was discontinued after 2009.

[@jayw8768]

Diesels cost more than gas. Also at National average of 3.046 at 12.42mpg it will cost you $2452 to go 10,000 miles with your number one. 10k miles in the coyote Ford at National average gas price of 2.536 a gal this wk would cost $2587.So over the course of 200k miles you'd only spend 2700 more on gasoline and I'm sure a diesel engine option costs more than that. So kind of pointless to go with the extra cost of the diesel engines.Also the Chevy 6.2 would've cost less for the gas used than the disesel but yall said it was some expensive trim lvl engine only reason I didn't use it. The eco diesel alone is a $4995 upgrade according to dodge website. No point wasting the money on that small a return in mpg.

[@hanstubben]

Baby Duramax FTW, my Chevy S10 (Brazil) get's up to 34 MPG unloaded (500 km) and loaded somewhere around 19 MPG (not with trailor, but some 1600 lbs in the bed. My overall consumption number is 26.3 MPG over 34,800 km, this with approxamatly 5,000 km of dirt/muddy roads.

[@timothycook2917]

Why are you saying Miles Per Gallon if you are measuring the distances in kilometers?

[@Insuranceexamprep]

The Cybertruck is the fastest truck ever in the car dealership it’s a gas mileage world champion

[@James-jg8sk]

julius jones so when did Tesla become a gas?

[@WIP6992]

But it looks like shit!

[@Welcometofacsistube]

But it’s energy mileage is atrocious.

[@tylermacconnell217]

julius jones ...and also the ugliest...

[@wimjim1979]

It will be when I buy one, through away the drivetrain, and swap in a gnarly Fire Punk Triple Turbo Cummins. Naw, that's actually not for good fuel mileage. But to simply piss off all the yuppies. And the Cybertruck isn't the most fuel efficient truck in the dealership. Because it doesn't exist beyond an idea and prototype.

[@gumerdominguez4091]

Andrew you are right on the money big rigs do 6 to 7 mpg loaded I been driving a big truck for 20 years and most will do that except peterbilts mine will give me 7.1/2 most times👌👌👌👌

[@gbipit1]

Really need to weigh the fuel for more accurate results rather than topping off at pump

[@jasdtaylor]

Curious why some of the loops are 66 miles and some are 98 miles for distance? Why not do the same exact loop? Also wondering what those diesel numbers would look like with the emissions garbage deleted. My 2011 6.7L powerstroke got 18-19 city and 23-24 on 35’s once I installed a good tune, intake, deleted egr, and 5” turbo back straight pipe. Man I miss that truck.

[@2dthoughts]

Lol The Eco diesel get almost the same mileage towing as my Rebel gets just driving in town

[@paulehlers2225]

Interesting that the Ram you tested had a 3.21ratio. Now on the production Ram ecodiesels the only ratio you can get is the 3.92. Could you find out why did Ram made the 3.92's the only ratio available for the 2020 ecodiesels.

[@Liemciemdk89]

MPG in winter could be 10% lower

[@johnmoore1495]

Liemciemdk89 if anything it’d be higher, air is cooler so you can make power more efficiently and tires are harder so there’s less rolling resistance.

[@justincase7109]

@@johnmoore1495 Winter diesel is a lighter fuel less prone to gelling in the cold but it burns faster. Commercial driver for 30 yrs.

[@justinjones5288]

Finally someone understands air density makes an increase in drag.

[@Liemciemdk89]

My car average 25 mpg single digit windchill to negative along winter blend fuel 21 mpg

[@finncampeau4922]

John Moore no. your fuel efficiency is worse in the cold

[@randallmason9687]

It is about time that we get some decent mpg in trucks!! That is why i still drive a 1998 S10, 2.2liter, 5speed! Just about to roll over 300,000 miles! Looks like My next truck will be a GMC Canyon!

[@erikl5748]

I love my 5.7L, one of the best engines I’ve driven, but Toyota needs to drop a diesel in their truck and SUV lineup. I keep hearing and reading about a hybrid system coming in the future, would much prefer a well-refined diesel option instead.

[@mikewest712]

No joke. Toyota is light years ahead of the big 3 for turbo diesels yet they wont put one in the tundra.

[@lokkstarproductions6918]

Mike West Toyota light years away with diesel? I don’t think so. Toyota is more invested in energy revolution vehicles. Toyota was never interested in bringing diesel trucks into the united states. It would have a hard time competing with the big 3. All that money invested into a diesel wouldn’t be worth it for Toyota. They like to stick with small vehicles and energy saving technology.

[@erikl5748]

Lokkstar Productions I would agree with you on the 2500+ class trucks, but for 1500 and mid-sized, I think their diesel would work really well.

[@TaijiArban]

Toyota had a few diesels back in the day, if you look at the reliability then you will see why they don't have a diesel currently. Besides, the tundra isn't selling in high volume like the f150 or silverado so even if they do have a diesel out hardly anyone will buy it.

[@cmdrdarwin3682]

Erik L - Toyota makes an awesome twin turbo small V-8 diesel used in the Land Cruiser overseas. The EPA has ruined diesels in the USA & Toyota isn’t going to chance it by importing one of their best power plants...sad.

[@HanksDeuce]

Roman had a dyslexic moment at 1:33. The pump read 12.031 gal (not 12.310). If the loop was 98 miles, then the Tundra achieved 8.145 mpg (not 7.961 mpg). For these test results to be more accurate, back checking each other seems to be recommended. No worries, it could happen to anyone.

[@kdtune33]

18 Wheelers get better MPG's than Tundra's.

[@toddmayta7615]

And pulling 60,000lbs lol

[@caskin95]

datrelle g I got a 2019 ford f250 with 6.2 liter engine and I’m only getting 8.1 mpg empty if you want a truck for gas mileage go get a civic !!! Just saying

[@Thomas-qk7wf]

Well done, fellas. For the average owner, unless there's a specific need for the diesel, at the added cost of the diesel option, if the diesel option isn't getting at least 30% better fuel mileage, modern diesel engines, as good as they are are tough to justify.

[@habanero8192]

Great video! ... entertaining, if nothing much else. While I applaud the attempt to make a video that based on "real world" testing provides the potential truck buyer with valuable information, I'm afraid that the testing has fallen short of a serious scientific test on many accounts: 1.) (2) two different types of trailers, which have different wind-drag coefficients, were used, 2.) 4x4s and 4x2s were tested without taking the extra weight difference of a 4x4 system into mind, 3.) diesels and gas engines were compared directly, 4.) most importantly the bottom-line fuel cost rating was not included for the engines that specifically required a more expensive type of fuel, like ~premium ~diesel ~etc. So this test is an overall failure, regrettably. Also ... I've noticed that whenever you TFL guys mention RAM, you never talk about the reliability, longevity, resale values and/or more importantly crash / safety test results, but I don't wonder why ;-) Great entertainment, but not to be taken seriously, ... seriously.

[@harleyjackson5513]

Because Ram ranks at the bottom. Piss poor reliability, awful crash tests, electrical problems. Never buy a ram.

[@billybob2584]

Looking forward to the 1/2 ton diesel numbers to continue to improve. Great Job guys and Thanks as well to Mr Truck - - - Merry Christmas and see you in the New Year...

[@mecalpsha4473]

Colorado with the Diesel is a GREAT truck to!

[@paulmessinger5590]

Here's another suggestion for TFL: It's not enough to say that a particular 1/2 ton diesel gets better MPG towing than a gas engine truck. How about a realistic cost analysis including the cost of diesel vs. regular gas (40 to 50 cents/gallon around here) plus the cost of DEF plus the upfront cost of the diesel option. I just did the analysis for myself and it ain't pretty. A diesel GMC Sierra SLT (or Silverado) would take more than 16 years of driving 7500 miles per year to break even with the 5.3 gas that I just bought! I couldn't estimate the annual increase maintenance cost for the diesel, but I'm sure it's more than the gas engine. The only benefit to the diesel is better low end torque. This of course is only a factor if you need it.

[@renaissancepoet]

I would like to know which truck holds up the best over time. Best quality. Best reliability. Best durability. Less wear. Less break downs. Less recalls. TFLT... what is the best long term quality built gas and diesel trucks in 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, and 1 ton SRW & dually models. No pressure, guys. ;)

[@zandaughtry7936]

Not a Chevy XD

[@jamespanda7887]

cummins

[@wsmcook]

The Toyota. If cummins made a whole truck it would probably last a lifetime, unfortunately cummins only makes the engine.

[@SawShankRedemption]

No question. Tundra.

[@renaissancepoet]

@@SawShankRedemption Yes. But Tundra's don't have the payload that the big 3 have.

[@blaketison1802]

Different distances and not all 4x4. Hard to give such praise to the 2wd trucks in the segment when they weren't compared to equivalent builds. Overall, very informative. Keep up the good work guys.

[@talkswithalex2006]

Woah ... I get 12mpg on my 2012 5.0 and I don't even Tow

[@derekortiz3663]

You should do some plugs and filters my guy. I have a lead foot and get 15 in my '14 5.0.

[@Jynirac]

If I drive as fuel-efficient as possible my 2009 f 150 with the 5.4 i can get 15 empty and 9 with a 5000 lbs camper. These new trucks get crazy mileage.

[@talkswithalex2006]

Derek Ortiz I mean the truck only has 55k miles and barely Driven; I did the spark plugs 3 weeks ago and I got the truck new and Run Only premium fuel. The filters i Believe I change every other oil change.

[@joechrisman8257]

@@talkswithalex2006 go to a tune shop. 300-500 tune will amaze you. What state u in. New Exhaust system. Air breather sytem etc. U could be getting 20-22 on hwy. Big 3 sandbag alot. A cam upgrade could result in even more gains. Yes i know cost a bit of money. But $5-7k cheaper than a new truck. I hear 5 star is great place to go. Bright side is your insurance & pp tax dont go up if you improve ur 2012. Heck w 55k miles its still practically a new truck. & paid for I'm sure. Merry Christmas

[@talkswithalex2006]

Joe Chrisman right , the engine is Bone stock but the only thing it has is a Black widow exhaust and a lowering kit. I am located in Fl, West Palm Beach

[@HVTMuddvain]

I think my biggest issue with this comparison is the prices of fuel as we all know efficiency is only good if the cost shows that as well and what’s diesel cost these days here in texas its like 2.60$ gas is 2.15$ so only a Miler or two more per gal doesnt off set that extra cost. I think the broad scale of this comparison is just not fair to compare personally. Love yalls vids either way.

[@mecalpsha4473]

*GM for the WIN!!!!*

[@harleyjackson5513]

Ford!

[@Andi_Doci]

You also have to account for the wind and temperature that particular day of towing, compensate for it and then see how they measure up.

[@johnmoore1495]

Can you guys test how big of a difference the rear axle ratio actually matters? Get the same/similar F-150s but all with different ratios then test towing and non-towing, and maybe acceleration. Or Ram or GM, I just want to see the actual difference.

[@eric3030]

With a 10spd it wont make much difference. But yes actual amount would be nice to know.

[@johnmoore1495]

Eric I’m just curious cause if I were to buy a new truck I’d get the the highest gearing for the best acceleration for fun time. But not if it makes a big difference like 3+ mpg

[@eric3030]

@@johnmoore1495 I dont know for sure but I suspect the difference would be less than 1mpg. I have 3.55s and my mileage is great but so is towing with the 10spd. How you drive makes a much bigger difference, fast acceleration etc

[@johnmoore1495]

Eric well it makes sense with the 10 speed, the overdrive gears are pretty low/high (honestly I always forget what’s the proper terminology when describing gearing. I know how it works overdrive gears are smaller than the input, thus more revolutions per one turn of the input.)

[@badcompan8827]

@@eric3030 It makes a huge difference. The 5.7L with tow package on the Tundra uses 4.30 rear end and that's what absolutely kills the fuel mileage.

[@dylanowens5036]

Perfect weight, perfect video exactly what I wanted. Thank you

[@android-ud2nf]

If I could trade in my 2010 ram it would be for a f150 with the 5 liter v8 just like my mustang

[@tactickleshtooper1753]

Definitely. Moving from any RAM to Ford is an upgrade & improvement for sure.

[@harleyjackson5513]

I agree. Ford beats ram anyday.

[@Nicholas-f5]

Hoo rah hoo rah

[@KoliaMtl]

Love your channel guys! Diesel looks great on paper. But the street cost of the trucks (no rebates) combined with the extra cost of diesel in most states, makes them un-affordable... :(

[@remsterx]

KoliaMtl buy used and not new. Got my 15 ecodiesel for 32k with 49k miles and lifetime warranty.