We the Parents - Movie

Exploring the state of family courts through the eyes of parents and experts. We look forward to your comments - please include in your comment where you are writing from! Thank you!

[@lkpeay]

This should be MANDATORY viewing before a marriage certificate is issued

[@bryanharrell4059]

Good idea. AND marriage licenses need to be renewed every 5 years.

[@JoshHall-sm3tp]

I'm fortunate enough to have proven myself as a fit father and after 5 years of court battles I came out on top. Don't give up fathers, it's possible to win

[@Chris-kp7pq]

The problem is there are lover fathers who have always been that way and do not want to fight. More mother fighters then lovers! Laid back loving fathers want no fight over thier children! Because judges are corrupt, they realize this by child custody chaos fighting parent is their cash cow for the court appointed child custody choas network! Momma Drama

[@rappers4508]

Courts favor fathers, especially if abuse is alleged

[@dkf555]

the sad thing is how much did the lawyers charge you. All parents cant afford $50,000 or more.

[@bryanharrell4059]

@@Chris-kp7pq This isn't as true as you think it is. There comes a time when fathers, who know what the outcome will be, are put in the terrible position of spending all of their money on the losing battle. Attorneys will even tell them "it's not worth fighting" at times. The father is still responsible for child support, alimony payments, and many times having to pay the other's attorney bills while responsible for maintaining the current standard of living for the child and mother prior to the divorce because it's "in the best interest of the child". A father has to make sure they can afford a safe place to "visit" with their child for every other weekend. The myth that fathers 'just don't want to fight" are tired and not true. The father has to make the decision to ensure they are okay to be there for their child to resume a possible meaningful relationship at a later point in their lives. They can't risk losing what they have left for a predetermined outcome that will keep them in the same place they started. This is the same myth as 'father's just don't want to pay child support". It's false and untrue.

[@SuperSecrettalk]

@@dkf555 The average retainer for the one's I reached out was about $1500 which insane. I make 45k a year and barely get by on my paycheck, not many people have a spare couple grand laying around.

[@beautifulspirit2973]

To all alienators. This film should be played to you 24/7. From an erased, loving, good mother betrayed by a corrupt, barbaric, immoral system who aid and abet abusers. My love to all experiencing the hell of PA and the abuse of family courts

[@kindrariber]

I feel you

[@damioncaperton8872]

I’ve dealt with discrimination from the family court system for over a decade. I was tormented by my ex for over a decade she made false allegations against me and used the kids as pawns. I battled depression and anxiety and almost took my life at one point. All the allegations she made against me were actually things she was doing to the kids and now she’s in jail. It only took a decade for the court to do anything. -Troy, IL

[@nickyt1253]

I’m going through something similar in IL . Where are u located ? Would you have any advice for me ?

[@damioncaperton8872]

@@nickyt1253 this all went down with the California court system when I lived there. As you may know it happens everywhere unfortunately. My advice would be to always put the best interest of the children first. Never sink to the level of the other parent because it will always backfire. It’s a long hard battle.

[@Chris-kp7pq]

When documentaries are made, they are not just made by a couple of bad situations that traumatize children, parents and families. Your children and you are not alone! People never learn from yesterday, to resloved today, what will happen tommorow. Now think about this, if our children are our future, our future is our children, how does our grandchildrens parenting and family life look like? We must speak out for the salvation of the great American Family Foundation of Love, Care and Share!

[@joijencuyah2345]

My heart ❤️ knows your hearts pain. You are not alone. I pray that you have found support & healing.

[@OHSFM]

I'm sorry this has happened to you. I have a 4 yr old son with special needs who was kidnapped through the courts. I have lived 4 years being terrorized by the other parent. Feeling like a prisoner as the courts bond me to someone who I barely knee. The magistrate has denied me rights and all the false allegations have been based on the written or verbal statements from that other parent. I have less time to my child over false claims as he battles leukemia 3 hr visits supervised one day of the week. 1st and 3rd weekend 5 hours supervised. Lucky if I get a call during the days I don't see him. No other memebers of my family are allowed to visit not even his adult siblings. This is what the judge has ordered.

[@user-ir5hl7eg6s]

Great video. This needs to be sent to all legislators.

[@FatherX2022]

Agreed. One mass email to everybody in the senate and Congress.

[@ElizabethMcNeese]

Send it!

[@FatherX2022]

Elizabeth is one of the video producers and she makes a great point. Everybody who sees this video should take it upon themselves to forward it to their local city and state legislators, As well as to their congressional leaders. The video producers cannot be the only ones who do this.

[@theb1787]

After we include all the nuances of parental alienation!!

[@ElizabethMcNeese]

You should make a film about it! @@theb1787

[@JayMoneyGuillen]

Just watched it and cried to see I’m not alone in my experience but also heartbroken for those that have to share the pain of not being able to see their kids as much as the kids deserve. Thank you for the representation. The segment when showing the text exchange gave me flashbacks to what I had to deal with. Constantly someone trying to evoke emotion out of you in a text so they can only take your portion and show the courts how “unstable or unhinged” you are. Just so they can take advantage of you by restricting your time with the kids. My ex was spiteful I left her because of her actions, she knew the only power and control she could have over me to make me feel pain and try to bribe me to come back was to make false allegations and take the kids time away. Please continue to fight for equal shared placement as a standard. -Wisconsin

[@shers3506]

We are not alone ❤️‍🩹

[@kyleben7982]

It is AMAZING how common this is. Separating children from their parents is a billion dollar a year industry. Bottom line, its too many people (lawyers) making too much money for things to ever change :( The way judges make money is by accepting campaign contributions from divorce attorneys while running for Judge, then once they get on the bench look favorably on those who donated the most. It is corruption to the core, making money off the suffering of children.

[@kindrariber]

We all need to stick together as victims of the system.

[@Mrjones-ed7hi]

I had a guy tell me his ex would threaten to call the police on him if he didn't come sleep with her. And she knew that he moved on and had another girlfriend. It is all about control. I do not think the judges and non judges don't think that people are always telling the truth. Even when you prove it's a lie, they try to hold the lie against you.

[@4myfreedom]

Excellent job . The “family’” court system is destroying family’s just like fraudulent conservatorships are . It’s heartbreaking but THANK YOU for your work to make a critical change that is essential . ❤

[@craigcaryl116]

Amazing film - heartbreaking. I experienced the Silver Bullet strategy in Feb of 2023 and lost ALL custodial rights for 4 months and 17 days. I couldn’t even write him a letter. Ultimately I got the charges dropped and full custody of my son. I’m an outlier not the norm - sadly. I live in Southern California and everything said in this film was my experience - guilty till proven innocent!!!

[@HealthyMom247]

You are so lucky. I, too, lost all custodial rights in February 2023, they have yet to be restored. Our family is split in half, the courts have definitely aided the alienation and solidified it. I am not sure what a path forward looks like, and I would like to proceed with a forward thinking mindset; establishing new positive memories and experiences.

[@FatherX2022]

Thanks for sharing your story, man. Glad you saw this film.

[@kindrariber]

It’s the same playbook they all use. False accusations of abuse that lead to separation and brainwashing of the children during that time.

[@aloysiusdevanderabercrombi470]

​@@HealthyMom247 It's been almost 6 years for me. The abuser who tried to murder us all has the kids despite having lost parental rights prior to 6 years ago. Family services did this...and repeatedly have covered for the ongoing abuse to the kids.

[@bryanharrell4059]

@@kindrariber yes. It's called the 'Silver bullet strategy ' Encouraged by family court attorneys and rewarded by family court judges that have no oversight and judicial immunity. It's a "winning" strategy.

[@laurencostas1186]

Thank you for giving us a voice when we are so unheard & ignored- thank you for reminding us we aren’t alone out here & bringing us together for this video. From the bottom of my heart- just…thank you

[@kindrariber]

We are all friends who unfortunately were good parents taken from their kids during a divorce.

[@jamessouthworth1699]

The fact that all of this information is readily available and so many people are complaining about it yet no RICO case has ever been filed...that alone is telling. The reason why we are having so much trouble making changes is because this goes farther up the chain than we realize. There are too many people making too much money off of this, either by direct income or "donations".

[@Derek-cb9lx]

So we protest and file class action civil rights abuse lawsuit just like the rest of the "equality" movements.

[@kathrinethomas7742]

Amen title iv e and d via our SSA federal funds

[@cemr8090]

Excellent film and much needed. My children were alienated against me. Parental Alienation (PA) is just as she said, it feels like the death of your child over and over and over. We need much more light and education on the subject. My divorce granted the 50/50 custody and I was the person that put that in. My ex did not have an attorney. Even with that, I did not have my shared time with my own son because of PA. Even with 50/50 mandated, there will still be a lot left to do. 50/50 is just the start.

[@pegasonic65]

Thanks for pointing this out. You can even be the custodial parent when the other parent moves far away and become alienated. It's a game played by seriously disordered people. I hope that you have reunited with your children.

[@kindrariber]

Agreed. 50/50 is a start. After we filmed my divorce ended with 50/50 but my ex brought forth criminal allegations along with a protection order but he dropped the DV allegations and the criminal was dismissed after 7 months but the damage to the children were already done. And the GAL was not effective at getting the counseling that the children needed. Instead he dismissed for a year and said we “needed a break with no contact”. The emotional trauma we go through is unimaginable but we can do it. We do it to be strong for our children when they return.

[@bryanharrell4059]

@@kindrariber and no accountability or consequences for perjury or false allegations. A person cannot even file a defamation or slander lawsuit if they are involved in the family court case. No burden of proof. No consequences for false allegations. All by design.. You have my empathy and I think you should tell your story to everyone. Let all know that the court system that touts "best interest of the child" allowed, incentivized, and encouraged this to happen to your children.

[@FatherX2022]

The attorney who said that false allegations almost never happened... She is 100% wrong. She might have said that only because she never bothered to do the research to figure out if the allegation was false.

[@mattgardner6213]

The opposition to a bill establishing the presumption of equal shared parenting brought her in as an “expert” witness to testify to the Ohio legislature.

[@FatherX2022]

@@mattgardner6213 She is an ignorant person. If I were in the Ohio legislature, I would have eaten her for lunch. Many people like her testify to legislatures and have no idea what they are saying.. It's part of the reason why many state legislatures go in circles and get confused by people who speak nonsense.

[@MidwestAppeals]

Anecdotally, it’d say 5% get thru only to be later determined as 100% garbage.

[@Chris-kp7pq]

Funny a 3rd party stranger to the family, has insight on true and false family dynamics as good as God in which attorneys are not even saints, the false accuser abusers are sure not children's guardian angels, and a secular so called civil family law state best interest of the child judge on behalf of the state is NOT GOD!

[@beautifulspirit2973]

Agree 100% false allegations are rife

[@merson21r]

Excellent work !!! Solidarity from fathers of Greece !!!

[@nisenor5059]

East Coast of Canada. Thank you for speaking the truth to power!

[@HelpingDad]

Had to spend thousands to prove I was and am a good dad. It emotionally and financially destroyed me. Left me to file bankruptcy and pick up the pieces of our lives after many false allegations were entertained by this system. I dumped everything I had into the fight so I could see my son again after 6 months of no contact. He still asks why I wasn’t at his birthday party and wonders if the police will again show up at my house to take him from me. The damage is immeasurable and this was all allowed by this flawed system without a single bit of accountability or repercussions to all the lies. Yet, I’m still not considered a custodial parent despite having 50/50 shared parenting and still left to pay child support. Ohio must do better! I can’t thank Rep Rodney Creech and Elizabeth Mcneese for shedding light on such an important yet often forgotten issue in this and many other states.

[@kindrariber]

Agreed. Elizabeth and Rodney couldn’t be doing better work

[@Mrjones-ed7hi]

I'm thinking the men that go through this should file claims against the ex partner for damages. You suffer mentally and financially. The government has no problem locking you up with no proof or not payment for support but won't lock the woman up or hold her accountable for her actions. I believe that it gender discrimination and bias. This will continue if us men don't push back us men aren't running for office to make changes in family law. We complain but do nothing we talk about it but do nothing.

[@NaStashaLeBlanc]

I have done everything that I could possibly do plus more I have professional records that are all proven in my favour and evaluation after evaluation I passed the past two years I have done therapy and services that have been giving me reports of my abilities to be a parent I have done every program and I’ve had nothing but good reports from the professionals I have worked with over the year I’ve provided medical records proving one allegation false they have all of the evidence of my innocence and they didn’t submit it to the judge and lied said I didn’t do the case plan and I have evidence that is a lie from the beginning I provided evidence of the allegations being false and CPS never showed the judge any of it and my public defender told me that the judge won’t see it all until I go to trial but I have wanted to speak to the judge about this and was told that I’ll lose my son for good if I pushed back against the agency it’s coming to two years in August my rights to visitation every thing has been violated and my lawyer has only now said that I can now go to trial and I am traumatized and confused my son was only one month old I missed all his firsts I just recently got unsupervised visits in this whole time they can’t prove I’m guilty but I can prove I’m innocent and I am suffering with PTSD this makes no sense how??

[@NaStashaLeBlanc]

I have done everything that I could possibly do plus more I have professional records that are all proven in my favour and evaluation after evaluation I passed the past two years I have done therapy and services that have been giving me reports of my abilities to be a parent I have done every program and I’ve had nothing but good reports from the professionals I have worked with over the year I’ve provided medical records proving one allegation false they have all of the evidence of my innocence and they didn’t submit it to the judge and lied said I didn’t do the case plan and I have evidence that is a lie from the beginning I provided evidence of the allegations being false and CPS never showed the judge any of it and my public defender told me that the judge won’t see it all until I go to trial but I have wanted to speak to the judge about this and was told that I’ll lose my son for good if I pushed back against the agency it’s coming to two years in August my rights to visitation every thing has been violated and my lawyer has only now said that I can now go to trial and I am traumatized and confused my son was only one month old I missed all his firsts I just recently got unsupervised visits in this whole time they can’t prove I’m guilty but I can prove I’m innocent and I am suffering with PTSD this makes no sense how??

[@Mrjones-ed7hi]

@NaStashaLeBlanc You woman created this issues.

[@jocelynconnolly]

This video really needs adult children who lived this to chime in

[@S2023.]

My child returned to live with me when he was 20 and is estranged from the alienating parent now. He arrived with no personal belongings and started fresh. It hasn't been easy though. His depression has been profound. The loss of childhood and family opportunities in comparison to peers - this has affected his adjustment to adulthood.

[@johntodd4043]

Fantastic job, great movie. Very accurate. Cincinnati Ohio

[@GrooveGoblinDW]

I'm in Cincinnati too

[@HealthyMom247]

Great film, enjoyed it and it is on point. Would like to see a federal law enacted to resolve these problems. All parents should have equal opportunity to see their children. Peace and happiness should be available for all.

[@kindrariber]

Fit and loving parents deserve to be in their children’s lives. They were when married so why should a divorce change that?

[@HealthyMom247]

@@kindrariber exactly!

[@anthonycancel8481]

Extraordinary job and thank you for presenting this travesty known to so many of us with such respect, class and artistry. Our community sometimes is represented by grandiose rhetoric and I for one am thankful of presenting us at just parents who want to be with their kids. THIS is how we truly begin to educate the outside world and THIS is how garner respect and get a seat at the table. Well done. Anthony Cancel

[@IRISHWINECOOP]

amazing. Thans for the amazing job and make it available to everyone. I just sent it to the Family Officer that is dealing with our family into PA. God Bless You.

[@April-gy8ux]

Abolish family courts and CPS

[@sickmick8846]

Thankyou from Australia. Our system is just as broken as yours!

[@djhogan65]

The system in Australia is totally dysfunctional and corrupted.

[@1okdude]

Thank you so much for making this documentary. We are struggling with parental alienation currently and haven't seen my youngest in 4 months and the oldest almost 2 years now. I weep for other families going through this but am hopeful we can help others by sharing our stories and changing laws to benefit shared parenting. Thank you again. Great work!

[@kindrariber]

Work on yourself during the separation. The better we are, the better we will be prepared for when our children figure it out and come back.

[@jamesjackson4736]

People always fight for fair. A system without the presumption of equality can only bring conflict....and that is no accident! $$$

[@bryanharrell4059]

Great job. I encourage everyone to amplify this. We have a epidemic on our hands and if we don't activate ourselves, our family members, our friends children will spend even less time with 2 loving and capable parents. Share this, comment on this. Demand transparency in the family court system because no one realizes what is happening until it's too late and parents are neck deep in a system that has trapped them while leaving them broke, exhausted, in debt, indentured, and visitors to their children. Thank you NPO. N.C.

[@glennsvoboda6602]

THE ONLY FAMILY'S THAT BENIFIT FROM FAMILY AND DIVORCE COURTS ARE THE COURTS FAMILY'S 😢😢

[@aloysiusdevanderabercrombi470]

* families

[@Truthster772]

And the judges and the county, and CPS and the mediators and the psychologists who do evaluations that are never covered by insurance same with therapists.

[@glennsvoboda6602]

@@Truthster772 yep! " THE CARTEL "

[@MatthewFurman]

Thank you for making this movie. I am an alienated dad, now in Supreme court. Zero progress so far - sleazy lawyers, a negligent parent coordinator, a negligent pediatrician, and a criminal therapist who allied with the alienator. I will never stop fighting, yet it is so frustrating and depressing. I cry often, and understand everyone's pain. It is immeasurable.

[@user-yc7eh8xl7q]

Well done Parents, I'm coming from Kitchener Ontario. Canada. I raised my two girls for 13 years, had sole custody. One false allegation from their mother and others and life changed overnight. Suing the mother and others and C.A.S and O.C.L. See where it will go. Been 5 years, no contact. Courts are the same here, lawyers are the same as well. Society needs more of these types of documentaries and more often, keep up the awareness, we'll do the same.

[@NaStashaLeBlanc]

Canadian here as well been fighting for two years I proven the allegations false and I proved my innocence and still they have created a false narrative to build a case but I prove allegations false and the court and CPS ignore it all and they are professional records evaluators I’ve done everything with not one of these people saying anything bad or concerning about me in fact they have true to contact CPS themselves to talk to them about it and not one person returning the call and my worker accused me of giving her false contact information to these people I can’t get a trial till August and only then will the judge know all of this my worker has put in affidavits and lied saying I haven’t done anything when I have been doing everything plus more over a year and she refuses to look at the evidence of my service rendered and all the positive things that professional providers have reported about me and I feel ur pain I missed all my son’s firsts they took him at one month he’s going on two and I’ve provided the proof of my innocence since the beginning this is outrageous and disgusting they are getting away with this and they are getting worse here in Canada

[@rickclagett2902]

I have a great but sad story to tell about parental alienation and having my kids taken away. Had a GAL and CYS testify and still was not enough. Haven't seen my daughters in almost 3yrs. They don't talk to anyone in my family. I would love to be involved if you do another type movie. Lehigh County PA is where I am at.

[@gckostakis1]

lost my life savings fight in court, 2 years gone by so far, every single one of these had me in tears balling endless hours, what a waste of our life to go through this with no end in sight

[@jalahthompson7470]

“We need to be encouraging dads to step up to be equally involved as parents just like the moms and women fought to be equally involved in the work place” and he is right. Men need to have and express the same entitlement, if not more, that the women have when it comes to their children. Women in history have made changes and movements for the things they felt they deserved in the workplace. Fathers need the same zeal to fight in family courts. Rallies, pickets, marches, attending conferences in mass, supporting each other in court hearings. Fathers need that for each other

[@glennsvoboda6602]

Naturally we should be suspicious why the FAMILY AND DIVORCE COURT INDUSTRY is not totally revamped? We know special interest groups here are feasting on a 2 trillion yearly industry.

[@glennsvoboda6602]

THE DAMAGE IS DONE. "DEMAND RESTITUTION!"

[@ejb0017]

Such an important story to get out.

[@MACorrupt]

Thank you for doing this💔

[@joijencuyah2345]

I feel your pain..it comes across in your words. I went thru a cruel divorce but I'm grateful we didn't have children because they would've been in the crosshairs. Bless your kind hearts! ❤😂❤

[@tmcmsail1]

Well done on the movie. I’m in Michigan, and it took 6 years of litigation to get to stalemate in a high custody case. Something like 17 hearings and a grievance against the ex’s corrupt lawyer, but the corrupt bar ignored the grievance like they do to about 99.9% of those filed annually. Yes the system is broken. I have 50/50 and need to counter parent to balance the kids due to mom having mental health issues.

[@MJ-bn9hz]

Counter-parenting is “intentionally working against a co-parent to undermine how they’re raising the children” “… it is done to spite the other parent”. This is very harmful to the children and I really hope this isn’t what you are doing. Perhaps look at family therapy to encourage a positive co-parenting relationship.

[@tmcmsail1]

@@MJ-bn9hz when the other parent is spiteful, immoral, unethical, a thief and a liar, it is important to counter the lessons being taught to enable the children to be upstanding members of society. My intention is not to act in opposition to all they see in their mom, but rather be a counterbalance to her extreme anti-social behaviors. For instance if she teaches that it isn’t stealing if they don’t get caught, I need to teach that taking something from others is wrong, whether you get caught or not. Very different to what you think.

[@glennsvoboda6602]

Recently passed true JOINT custody/ SHARED PARENTING LEGISLATION these courts ordered both parents to pay child support. Nothing changed.

[@FatherX2022]

I am a primary custodial father who overcame the broken family court system. Now I teach dads how to overcome the gender bias and incompetence of family court. But I pray that 1 day we will completely overhaul the family court system so that what I teach becomes obsolete. Equal shared parenting has to be the starting point. The starting point cannot be a family court judges incompetent thought process. Let's do this!!

[@jaecapers8421]

You’re the man , I watch your videos all the time… definitely a hero in a lot of men eyes

[@FatherX2022]

@@jaecapers8421 Wow, that reply was unexpected. Thank you.

[@jaecapers8421]

@@FatherX2022 nah thank you , I’m dealing with the courts now, haven’t physically seen our daughter in almost 4 months, no court orders no restrictions, my ex restraining order was denied, she’s taken her out of her previous daycare without notice and placed her in another one, I have no address on her or the daycare and my attorney is telling me to take the deal from mediation… which is $600 a month, every other weekend , no decision making on anything and him and the mediator are buddies , she have no kids and us bias against men… your videos are helping me more than you know💪🏾💯

[@FatherX2022]

​@@jaecapers8421I'm sorry you're going through this. I'm guessing you saw Episode 8 of my videos, showing what a reasonable mediated settlement might look like. And I'm guessing you can see that making you an alternate weekend dad is not reasonable...so you are resisting it. *Based on what you said, I'm wondering if the manipulation tactic here is to deprive you of seeing your child for 4 months, so then you are happy to settle for becoming an alternate weekend dad. But that would be a permanent solution to a temporary problem. It sounds like you are trying to see the bigger picture here. I hope you remember that the opinions of the lawyer and the mediator are just opinions of uninformed third parties....and they could never replace the informed opinion of the parents. *Also, child support of $600 a month equals $7,200 a year. And if the incremental cost of raising your child is less than $7200, then you would be paying at least 100% of the cost of raising your child. And then the mother would have no financial responsibility herself at all. So I can see how that would be unfair. But you have to do the math, which maybe you have done already. *Stay strong, brother. You are the one who is most motivated to find the correct solution for your real life problems. You got this.

[@rappers4508]

Fathers overcoming gender bias? Courts give more custody to fathers than mothers when fathers seek custody...

[@sabrinahaid7082]

Well done Elizabeth and Mike. I'm Sabrina in Tennessee and am doing my dissertation on parental alienation and custodial contact issues. I became interested in PA because I am a grandparent experiencing this side of the children's family being erased. I am finding that more than laws need to change, mindsets need to be completely revamped. I was excited to see that you pointed out that the younger generations are more willing to have equality across the genders in everything and that maybe there is actually a light at the end of this very long and winding tunnel. Kudos to you both.

[@rjh1226]

My Parents both died , they never saw their Grandkids again. Never, what did they do? My Sisters, never saw them again. What did they do wrong The Abusers are the Clowns in Gowns who swing Gavels

[@craiglyndaziegenhagel4344]

Very sorry. This is all so unfair.@@rjh1226

[@adavis1224]

Sabrina, contact Children 4 Tomorrow out of Houston Texas. You guys need each other.

[@FatherX2022]

Hi, Sabrina. I hope you and your son are doing ok.

[@jocelynconnolly]

If you would like to add strength and dimension to your dissertation, interview adults who experienced this as children. I did, and I have a lot to say about it (this movie missed that perspective). Check out @theantialienationproject - I work with them and was an alienated child

[@UlyssesSimmons-mv8sk]

This was well done. The family court system is completely broken. Hopefully we can continue to bring this issue to the forefront to enact change. Our children’s future depend on it.

[@Chris-kp7pq]

We must vote for a president who wants to end this government child and parent family abuse that causes our nation's youth and adult mental health crisis.

[@arethasmith7951]

Thanks for sharing , our family going thru the same thing, now I know its not just poor family that cant afford a attorney, but I see now it doesn't matter if you poor or well off, they just taken our children and we are the ones at night wishing that the system WAKE UP and see what they doing, its been a year and no one is allow to see the child like where are monster. Praying for our children to be return to us all. continue to pray God will work it out..... its a start.

[@NaStashaLeBlanc]

@wetheparents Great movie would love to see you do one on the court system in Cps cases and how many lives are being destroyed by this agency when majority of the children taken are not in need of removal they have loving parents who take care of them the parents are just usually in poverty or other situations that make them vulnerable it’s a topic that needs discussion and light shed on it it’s gotten worse way worse in the last 4 years

[@brandidawn4711]

The system is very corrupted, its extortion, in the movie Robert Garza mentioned he spent over 700,000 in attorney fees and burned through his children's college savings to fight for them, which defeats the whole purpose of "best interest of the children", this system is guilty of extortion and racketeering. This movie needs more media attention to push people to reform the system.

[@casonw]

The system isnt corrupt. The system is dealing with corrupt people like those who make the false allegations.

[@Mrjones-ed7hi]

What movie is this? Was it in the video ? I have to watch it again.

[@lil2los10]

Well done! In order to keep this at the forefront, I suggest following this up with an episode focused on one person and their experience. My wife’s story would blow your mind. People would get sucked into watching people’s stories and want change whether they’ve been personally impacted by the system or not. That’s a great way to reach a broader audience and help the movement!

[@lil2los10]

We are from Michigan.

[@jocelynconnolly]

All the parent stories are mind blowing. Interview the adults who had this done to them as children. Check out @theantialienationproject

[@kindrariber]

I would love to have your wife on my podcast to tell her story. It’s the reason I started it. To educate and help other mother and fathers out there who go through this. Podcast: The Aftermath:epidemic of divorce , custody and healing

[@lil2los10]

She said she’d love to do that. Let me know the best way to get you connected with her.

[@jeanmacdonald9735]

Even with the proof they still take them due to lies/false allegations from other parties . I went from highly relevant person of good character to a grandparent of not good character by a system who held them over to there abuser. Kids have had there names changed 3times now causing mental harm by there abuser who Change men/fathers in there life's. And the system helped to enable all this.... this is so wrong

[@WeTheParentsMovie]

Thank you for watching! Please include your location when commenting! Thank you!

[@Chris-kp7pq]

Some of us have had to go into safe locations non disclosed, always target of false accuse abuse and speaking out is very offensive to the offender, they are mad at us need to stay away!

[@FatherX2022]

Thank you for making this documentary.

[@shers3506]

Alberta, Canada

[@kieradan7]

Filmmakers this is a very biased presentation of the family court issues (of which there are many). You also have many many parents of kids who have been and are being abused losing everything, going bankrupt etc to try to protect their children. There are many thousands with kids going down dangerous mental health paths. When these children have a reprieve from the abuse, they do better and heal and when forced back into it by the presumption of 50/50 they spiral again - thoughts of suicide, self harm, aggressive behavior etc. When you present something so one sided without these other issues also highlighted, you are doing a MAJOR disservice to these children who are also deserving of support. I am a veteran with a ton of life experience, experienced leader and strategist and soon to be medical professional but my child and my voice were silenced for a time. No one deserves to live in the middle of this battle zone but because people are pushing so hard for guaranteed 50/50 and not looking at these other factors you can’t see the harm you are causing in another area while trying to apply a blanket rule to solve a different area. Yes no one should be withheld out of spite but there should be a way to ascertain safety and true best interests of the kids. A default 50/50 is not it. If you want more real storytelling wait until you meet the people and hear the horrific stories from our side of the experiences. It can give you a whole part 2 to this documentary. And if you’re not interested, why not? We should all want to seek info to help children going through this if we are here. And then we can address family court issues looking at ALL the issues and ways children and parents are being harmed and demand better on behalf of all of those harmed. Please reach out, I’d love to chat.

[@marcoemiliovalle7708]

A heartfelt THANK YOU for this vitally important film from Dallas, Texas!

[@larryb7047]

Our family is going thru a #medicalkidnapping #coruptCPS ordeal. "Family" Court is broken. We must demand that it be fixed!

[@8585roxy]

Well Done, thank you for all you do for so many people. Keep going so much more that can be touched on here. Peace & Love ❤️

[@TheAnneishere]

Thank you from London U.K. from the paternal grandmother. My son has paid £s to fight the court system here in U.K. just so he is able to have contact with his children and the paternal side of their family as well as prove his innocence against the awful false allegations made against him by his ex-wife. It has truly been a hard struggle both emotionally and financially for some years but pleased to say although not perfect my son now has regular contact with his two beautiful children. Keep fighting. But yes the court system has definitely got to change!! Also My son has now joined and now assists within a “Father’s Group” to support many other dads who have or going through parental alienation/ false allegations. And to help advise on keeping the families ‘child focused’.

[@bryanharrell4059]

Your voice is important too. For all of the Grandmothers that have lost any meaningful relationship with their grandchildren. There's a whole side of a family that a child doesn't get to have the chance of getting to know.

[@gregandcarrie2]

Remember, Kayden's law denies existence of alienation and denies reunification treatments. Passed on 2022 under reauthorization of VAWA.

[@glennsvoboda6602]

JUDGES ARE INCENTIVIZED FOR MAXIMIZING TITLE IV-D AND IV-E PROGRAMS 😢😢

[@Chris-kp7pq]

The malicous divorceing parent has been known to relocate right before divorce to one of those judges! FACTS!

[@Mrjones-ed7hi]

What's the E program?

[@glennsvoboda6602]

@@Mrjones-ed7hi foster care

[@Mrjones-ed7hi]

@glennsvoboda6602 ok, thanks. I have a question. Do you think that child custody orders are unequal with the end goal to establish and maintain child support orders?

[@glennsvoboda6602]

@@Mrjones-ed7hiWhat we've learned here in Suffolk County L.I.N.Y Central Islip court and throughout is many of these courts maintain payrolls by ( like collision shops to insurance companies)) making/ banging claimes to the federal government on WAWA, CSEB, CPS, FOSTER CARE ect. So yes! These cartel run courts are running a money laundering/ PONZI SCHEMES. Many employees quit due the fraud they see. Intentionally putting one in arreages offers huge federal dollars over non- arreages. This is one of there TECHNIQUES of many fraudulent acts. Other states that offered TRUE JOINT CUSTODY LEGISLATION / 50/50 " SHARED PARENTING " ( not primarily care B.S.) were making both parents pay child support! IMPUTED INCOME, another fraud commitment by the courts/ CSEB. C.O.L.A. you use to be able to challenge that by mail! Now? No! During the C-19 PANDEMIC NY courts refused "DOWNWARD MODIFICATION " as there claimed it wasn't a PRIORITY! This is a drop in the bucket of these CRIMINALS RUNNING THIS 2 TRILLION YEARLY INDUSTRY. a zoom call is needed to bring more awareness. Your head will spin on how filthy these GHOULS are!

[@FatherX2022]

Great job on this film. I think you are saying "Family Court: Inferior people. Inferior process. Inferior results."

[@ParentalAlienationAwareness]

I noticed that Sweden was referenced, where shared parenting is the norm. I just want to make it clear that wherever Cluster-B personalities are involved, there'll always be conflicts. We (Sweden) struggle with #ParentalAlienation here too and the consequence is that roughly 10% of divorces end up in custody battles where unsupported accusations of violence emerges AFTER the divorce, or in conjunction to legal measures - as elsewhere in the world. Authorities MUST understand that ~5% of the population have personality disorders, and as there are two parents, the probability of having one or two parents with these dissorders is roughly 10%, which turns out to correspond with the roughly 10% custody battles seen in courts. It's actually not more difficult than that! No normal range parent would exclud the other parent from their childrens lives unless there were evidence of maltreatment (which there very rarely is in these cases). Hugs from Stockholm/Sweden 🤗🇸🇪

[@Mrjones-ed7hi]

The only time a parent may have restrictions if the child is a victim of violence, grape, or some form of sexual abuse. Or something like you put the child in danger because you were driving intoxicated. Not because the other parent is choosing not to cooperate. Which here in the US is a guide line to determine custody the parent that is shows the willingness to allow access to the child. When a person is making up stories and making up things, why they can't get along or share custody that is infringing and interfering with the other parent and child relationship.

[@pegasonic65]

Thank you for clearing that up! I'd also like to point out that even an every other weekend parent can be the alienator, whi will then take full custody due to the preference of the child and play gatekeeper. While shared custody us most desirable for the children, it's not the answer to ending pathogenic parenting.

[@bryanharrell4059]

@@pegasonic65 I'm not sure I agree. There's a reason one parent is a 2 weekend per month visitor to their children and it was because the alienating had already begun from the other parent. 48 hours every 2 weeks isn't enough time to even be acclimated with a parent, much less be enough time for any alienating behavior to take hold. Also, by definition, a parent having a child for 2 weekends/months is definitely not the parent alienating parent. In America, there's what the family court system wants people to think it does, then there's what the winner take all court system actually does. It enables, incentivizes, and rewards the parent that does the alienating. There's no accountability for false allegations, no punishment, no correction. And don't believe anyone that tells you judges look for alienating behaviors from a parent because that's simply not true and whomever says this hasn't had any real experience in high conflict family court cases. When I say high conflict I mean 1 parent that's high conflict. If any of that were true there'd be actual consequences for a parent depriving a child of the other parent. There may be extremely rare exceptions but it's by no means a rule. So much so parental Alienation is an epidemic in the US. It wouldn't exist if it wasn't incentivized and there were real consequences for it.

[@camillegray8033]

Chiming in from Pierce County Wisconsin. I would like to add that if your child has mental health issues and state funded insurance and needs support at the county level (residental) the parent(s) also get filed for child support and you fall into the non custodial parent as well as well as prove your home and parenting isn't causing the child's behavior (mental health) And the parents are also charged for the services 10% of what the county is charged for care.

[@foolmeonce9133]

Thank you for this excellent piece of work. I hope everyone shares this across social media.

[@user-if5mx3vt5e]

Thank you. New Jersey

[@glennsvoboda6602]

TEXAS CHAD REED WAS MURDER DUE TO REPEATED VISITATION DENIALS 😢😢

[@madihas5813]

💯 I lost my child’s custody to parental alienation despite having years of DV proof, history of restraining orders, criminal protective order, father not working or having any consistent income. I was always told I could never get full custody (despite the abuse) especially in California. 5 years and counting, no recourse, no contact despite court ordering father to provide updates… no idea where he is, how my son is… I had access to his school records and he dropped out two years ago and didn’t even complete high school. I miss my baby so much. He’s 18 now, may Allah ﷻ keep him in His protection always where’ve he is, ameen 🤲🏻

[@cabezaenlaluna]

Great job... this problem is a Pandemic in Latin America!

[@jbab693]

Those countries have a matriarchal religion which worships mothers, that definitely doesn't help. Good luck on the fight for shared parenting

[@audreykimner4121]

The lawyers in my case lied to the judges, therefore the case on my side was never placed on the record. I had full custody, but my children were court kidnapped in 2015. We were tortured in family court by the LAWYERS for greed. I'll publish' Torture Suits' in the first quarter of 2024.

[@keels1111]

Same here, it was March 2015, my daughter was family court kidnapped when I had full custody for the first 6 years of her life. She’s been completely cut off from me for over 2 years now and she’s in high school. 💔

[@hollytheedekiese7724]

The court players, judge, lawyers, are in this to make money!

[@audreykimner4121]

100% theft by deceit and child trafficking. Exploitation....

[@audreykimner4121]

I'm so sorry! I hope our daughters and sons come back. These greedy people are evil!

[@lil2los10]

Sounds pretty much exactly like what has happened to my wife. Never heard the term court kidnapping but that is such a great way to describe it. I get fighting for 50/50 but…we should really be fighting for completely abolishing the FoC. The system needs to be put out to pasture and started over which includes 50/50.

[@jaecapers8421]

Dealing with this now, trying to get the mother of our daughter to understand this and work together.

[@protospha]

Good luck to you on that (said sincerely). I haven't seen my youngest son for over 5 years, and he's 22 now. The father and I are separated (MY choice - abusive marriage), and their father gave our son an unspoken ultimatum, whereby if our son showed any love for me AT ALL, the father would immediately 'disown' him. That's just plain abuse - because of course if a child is forced to choose between two parents, the child will almost always choose the parent whose love for them is conditional. And they make that choice because they know that their OTHER parent, their ALIENATED parent, has UNCONDITIONAL love for them for ever and ever, and will always have their arms wide open and ready to embrace their children again.

[@jaecapers8421]

@@protospha thanks, sorry to hear that, hopefully y’all will be reconnected soon, I don’t feel like no parent should be denied access to their children unless it’s for the best interest of the children…parents should just work together

[@bryanharrell4059]

Unfortunately, there's no incentive for her to do so. She will 'win' cash and prizes. Her and her attorney (if she has one yet) know this. Protect yourself from false allegations and be proactive.

[@JodiMonroe-gu9qq]

This is so true. So, so true. Thank you.

[@phillipcreed4492]

For too long, the victims of the family court system here in Ohio and other states have suffered in silence. Without the right to court-appointed counsel, too many people had to settle for horribly-unfair agreements after losing battles of attrition. That's why those that cite a high settlement rate don't want you to dwell on HOW those "settlements" came about. And there's a good chance it was their lawyer pulling them aside telling them to, "accept every-other-weekend and cut your losses." And their kids grew up without a loving parent (most likely the father) and all the socio-economic collateral damage that entailed. So the more comments and views this movie gets, the better. The Divorce-Industrial Complex thrives in the shadows but cannot withstand the light. The more people examine the problem and, "peek under the hood", the more people realize how flawed the family court system is and they more they'll demand change.

[@afatherscrisis]

Truly sad that our family courts rather make money then to do what it is actually in the best interest of children. And it is so true, every one of our social problems in society is due to father deprivation largely from bitter moms and biased family courts.

[@glennsvoboda6602]

D.V. puts a total end to 50/50 . False OPs kill

[@bryanharrell4059]

Correct. And penalties for perjury, credible evidence of DV and a burden of proof standard that exists in criminal court will put a total end to false allegations.

[@Ronald-pe8di]

Disruptive care is what harms kids. And thats what the courts do John Bowlby MD.

[@babykalezzz444]

I just watched you guys on 2bebetter. I love Chris & peaches & after that interview I jumped over here right away. You guys are truly amazing & I'm rooting for you, I'm rooting for us, the people, the parents, the children. It really is about time we stand up & face this beast we helped create. You guys are doing God's work & I thank you.

[@babykalezzz444]

Also I've lived in ohio my whole life, so seeing all of these things being brought to light in my own home state gives me hope for us as community/ people.

[@craiglyndaziegenhagel4344]

Social workers come in to clean up the mess?!?!? What a joke that is! In my State, in most cases, the Social Workers (often with conformation bias) conduct the full inquiry, the custodial evaluations, the mediations and they make recommendations to the Court on who gets custody, parenting time percentages and so on. The Courts here do not have the time, they do not always hold a trial so they typically rubber stamp the recommendations of the LCSW. LCSW's destroyed my family. I never saw the Judge. Then parental alienation set in, courts would do nothing about it. The result; I have not seen my kids in 21 years. Half of their family tree has rotted and fallen to the ground. I have grandchildren I will never know and they will not even know I existed. The family court system is broken and has been for decades. The best interest of the child standard is subjective and flawed. It should be removed from statute. SHARED PARENTING should be the standard, but, the law changes being proposed (and some passed) still have too many loopholes "presumptive" that allow a Judge to not order 50/50. Not every dad is an abuser nor every mother a wack job. The rules of evidence MUST be changed so mere allegations and hearsay cannot be used in family court. Judges need to follow the law and attorneys that encourage clients to lie in court and file false reports/restraining orders should be disbarred.

[@Chris-kp7pq]

Right, Social workers are the mess in so many socialist social click chick child protection fraud caes that think the child can do without their protective father and mental malicous manipulation toxic femanist mad mom can have the child for personal gain.

[@ElizabethMcNeese]

I totally agree on what needs to change. The system is one big kangaroo court. One note, though… many, if not most, CPS workers aren’t actually licensed social workers. A licensed social worker is very different- highly trained unlike the agents who masquerade as “social workers.” Most of us don’t know that.. I didn’t until recently. Common misconception. True LSWs are usually in the counseling field, not case workers doing “investigations”

[@craiglyndaziegenhagel5314]

@@ElizabethMcNeese I understand the difference. CPS gets burdened with these false allegations and are terrible at investigating. The LCSW's IMO are 90% all failures. They step into our families with conformation bias, conduct extremely faulty custodial evaluations and then divide families. The LCSW assigned to our case was loaded with conformation bias, ignored damning and hard evidence and there was behind the scenes corruption associated with the court. Her recommendation to the Court forever destroyed my relationship with y children. I have been erased now for 21 years and it never gets any easier dealing with it.

[@aloysiusdevanderabercrombi470]

​@@ElizabethMcNeeseexactly

[@bryanharrell4059]

"part of the family tree has rotted and fallen off". Wow. Very true. Family trees are destroyed for generations....forever. There is no concern for family in family court. By design. We must demand burden of proof in family court. We must demand consequences for perjury and false allegations. We must demand judicial oversight. We must demand accountability for attorneys who engage in the 'silver bullet strategy'. We must demand a JUDICIAL MANDATE that PRESUMES 50/50 Equal Physical Shared Custody so a child has 2 loving, capable, willing parents in their life for the maximum amount of equal time. Only a preponderance of credible evidence should dictate otherwise. We must also demand TRANSPARENCY in our family court system.

[@mattzep00]

This is a GREAT doc and much needed to bring awareness to the public on how family court is destroying so many families in our country.

[@bryanharrell4059]

Only thing is, no one will see it who isn't experiencing it or has experienced it. No one realizes what's happening until it's too late. Parents are neck deep, broke, broken, exhausted and their children only know them as 2 weekend per month visitors. It needs to be amplified to all. It's an epidemic that spans generations.

[@MotherWithaVoice]

I really appreciate you making this. We need more of this to bring forth awareness! This needs to end!

[@marcelasoto2776]

We just became victims of family law corruption. After two years of my being in the court system fighting for my son after the other parent not wanting my child. My child was ripped from me yesterday because of the lies and false allegation submitted by the husband of state representative Ana Maria Ramos. Ruling was based on a “feeling” a feeling!!!! Despite of all my fighting efforts and suffering so much mental and verbal abuse from this man. My son was ripped away from me based on a feeling! How’s that even possible? Why is this happening?!

[@jankennethlunde6653]

Thank you very much for a fantastic documentary. For a father like me, as my 2 sons have not met their dad for almost 8 years, and my daughter for almost 9 years, it was shocking and a flashback of the last 14+ years. Heartfelt thanks to you 💔💔💔

[@tombutler7296]

We could end this problem tomorrow by going back to requiring proof of fault in divorce if children are present and awarding primary custody to the person who did not break their vows.

[@darylhomiak8455]

There are no consequences for lying or infidelity. Until this happens and no fault divorce ends, the divorce rate will continue to go up.

[@hannahwhite2508]

But that’s the whole point. What a partner does to you in a marriage should not have an effect on them being a parent. I just don’t agree with taking kids from someone because they broke their vows. Their parenting shouldn’t be cut off, the child is still there…confused and in the middle of it all.

[@hannahwhite2508]

^unless your actually truly fearful that they’re going to harm the child.

[@PASIntervention]

I run one of the oldest 501c3's for the Psychological abuse of custodial interference, ie parental alienation. Shared parenting is a necessity. Reality is that parents need to practice co-parenting skills because they cannot take away that both parents have a blood and flesh tie through the children. One of the best ways I can think of it through the use of mediation. The more the parents mediate, the better they should be getting at how to coparent with the other parent. Mediation should include not just a mediator, but a psychologist and coparenting coach.

[@aloysiusdevanderabercrombi470]

IF both parents mentally healthy enough that they're not abusing the kids.

[@PASIntervention]

There is no such thing as a perfect parent. If there was we would not need all these self help resources. There would be one, The perfect parent. We have to stop saying that a mentally ill parent cannot have a relationship with this children. We have to start saying ‘How can we create a healthier relationship between the children and a parent? How can we help the parent who has family of origin dysfunctional issues that have never been addressed to heal from their childhood trauma so they can have a more healthy outlook on life and especially for themselves so they are not so narcissistic?’ Think of it this way, if your whole life you were taught to walk backwards but when you got into the real world everyone else was walking forward. This parents role model was steadfastly stuck on this warped ideal, how would you know any differently? You wouldn’t. This is a very deep intensive process to untangle and requires specialized training and knowledge. Another way to view this is that someone who commits an alienation was abused as a child in 99% of these cases and no one saved them. They are projecting their family of origin (FOO) issues through the children onto the other parent. They don’t know any other way because of their role models. It is also domestic violence by proxy. The alienator uses the children to abuse the other parent. And remember, if we start claiming that people with mental health issues cannot have custody, 99% of all veterans would loose custody even in an intact family as they have PTSD due to a situational condition. In fact, alienators gaslight the other parent to cause them psychological trauma to make them look good and the other parent as no good. This is what is called Situational Condition. In other words, the mental health condition is caused by the living death of not having your child in your life and legal abuse syndrome. If these conditions did not exist, then the situation would not exist. And it would be discrimination against the disabled.

[@bryanharrell4059]

Tru, but unfortunately, the incentives of our "winner take all court system" make mediation useless. There's no reason for a parent to meditate when they are virtually guaranteed to "win" cash and prizes. Mandatory mediation in the states that require it are merely a show. Also, any mediation that does take place isn't on equal footing because one parents' guaranteed 'win' forces the other to accept much lesser terms for the children because if they go in front of a judge they'd know the outcome will be even worse. One parent is compromised at all times. We have to take away the incentives so parents can truly mediate with the best interest of the children as a priority.

[@darylhomiak8455]

Thank you for making this video. I’ve experienced every behavioral issue these people spoke about and still do to this day. It’s gotten easier but it’s very challenging to keep pushing forward after everything that’s happened. I live in NC and I’ve written many letters to our state politicians but to date, I’ve heard nothing from them. I will continue to do what’s best for my child though. I won’t ever quit.

[@patrickcrowder774]

I can strongly relate to every parent interviewed in this documentary. I've experienced so much of this that it sickens me to watch. Something has to be done. I recently started reading and learning more about the long-term damage that this does to my children and how this behavior becomes repeated and can be repeated for generations compounding the problem. What can we do to actually get this changed? Do we need to run someone for office with this as a major part of their platform? Even if they lose, it will bring attention to the issue and make others running for the same office address.

[@Chris-kp7pq]

How many states have uncivl family law flaw judge "vote NO to not retain that judge," or just all of them if you do not know which one and the state problem of child custody chaos is rapidly increasing?

[@bryanharrell4059]

Contact your local media and ask them to ask representatives and candidates about their position on legislation that proposes a JUDICIAL MANDATE for judges to use 50/50 Equal PHYSICAL custody as a starting point when 2 fit, loving, able and willing parents want their child to have equal access to each. Spread the word and get local news and radio, etc asking these questions so it becomes part of the talking points in this year's campaign cycle.

[@ivispark3780]

Watching in Dallas, TX. I’m a mother and I can never imagine purposely leaving father out when he wants so much to be there for his kids unless the child gets exposed to drugs, violence/abuse, or neglect. It is heartbreaking to hear that there is so much corruption out there robbing good men of the incredible opportunity to be fathers. I would love to hear more of the other side, not assuming it will validate tho.

[@Chris-kp7pq]

Oddly enough, there are what is known as scapegoat parents who have children vicitms of a parent crying wolf as the wolf in sheeps clothing! Their false accusations they are so familar with come from their actually experience! This happens because the know the common story, have done the wrong, and know how to describe it from their personal wrong doing, just not self accountability, point the finger to be a uncivl family flaw winner as a real loser parent, children will lose horrifically bad!

[@davidgreen1716]

Texas

[@bryanharrell4059]

The only ones that will watch this documentary are the parents and grandparents that have gone through it or are going through it. This needs to be seen by everyone. If they plan to have children, the odds are very high that they will be in this same situation. It is a multi-generational epidemic that's certainly not getting any better. It's getting much much worse, and unless this gets in front of eyes who have no idea what's happening, it will continue to worsen. This needs to be sent to local media outlets along with a list of questions they will ask local candidates and representatives in this election season. 50/50 Equal Shared Parenting needs to be on the tongue and in the ears of every voter. Don't let this issue be suppressed and the hard work of this documentary go to waste and languish like all of the Equal Shared Parenting bills in the committees of state legislatures.

[@Texas25.03]

Family Law is a business - Fact

[@hollytheedekiese7724]

50/50 parenting sounds great but what if one parent is diagnosed with a personality disorder and would abuse or kill the child to get revenge? In my case, the father admitted to a prior domestic violence charge and Narcissistic personality disorder diagnosis and relinquished full custody to me in exchange for an older step daughter not testifying. Yet the GAL and lawyers forced our 14yo daughter to 7 mental health professionals. who all recommended no contact with the father. over 4 years ! They told me if I didn't keep taking her to yet another therapist, I would be in contempt of court, fined, jailed and the NPD father would get full custody. Family court players are guilty of RICO, organized crime. They get away with it because they have immunity from prosecution.

[@ElizabethMcNeese]

50/50 isn't appropriate in all cases, as mentioned in the film. If a parent is unfit and dangerous they shouldn't be around kids period. That's not who we are talking about in the film.

[@bryanharrell4059]

We cannot allow all children to not have equal access to both parents as a starting point because a few parents aren't able to be loving, willing and capable. As a matter of fact, most parents that have a cluster B personality disorder DO have the children 90 percent of the time. Only that type of personality would alienate and actually WANT the children to have minimal or no time with it's other parent.

[@Martha-jo8iv]

I'm in the same situation. I'm a hispanic mom in Berkeley, SF family court, California! Kids need equal time with both, mom and dad. SF court is sending a terrible message to my daughters. I'm the inferior parent in their minds. Moms have no rights here in San francisco CA.

[@katie_by_grace]

I wont stop trying Bubba and Corbs❤❤

[@kellymorgan9778]

Excellent movie! Thank you so much!

[@kellymorgan9778]

From California

[@glennsvoboda6602]

SUFFOLK COUNTY L.I.N.Y CENTRAL ISLIP CESSPOOL COURT

[@kristinapalumbo7772]

Excellent film about an important phenomenon. I would welcome a next film with attention on parents who lose contact/authority because they oppose medicalization of a child's gender distress

[@kylieansett]

Would love links to the research referred to in this excellent movie which could then be used in court cases.

[@Chris-kp7pq]

Factually the reasearch of accusations and parent aleination efforts of false allegations, every thing that caused the child to have a forced out loving, caring, protective parent is in the public records accessable legal divorce decree. Reasearch those legal documents to see how in the world best interest of the child ended up one parent full power and control, no way are they sharing their child with the other, loving, caring, sharing protective parent. Keep in mind you will be reading "preponderance of evidence, no burden of proof" unilike criminal law where some of the outrageous accusations should mean criminal law should have been ingaged long ago, but likely really was never needed! Getting court transcripts. You will see in parent alienation cases the parent alienator is full of malicous manipulation either Momma Drama or Dadda Drama! Nothing unsual in parent alienation to have the lover parent lose, he fighter parent win, kids always lose.

[@ElizabethMcNeese]

There’s a website at the very end of the film

[@mrsp1219]

What would shared 50/50 parenting time look like? Alternating weeks? What would long-distance shared parenting look like? What about when people say the presumption of shared 50/50 parenting puts children that are being abused in danger?

[@phillipcreed4492]

50/50 can be any schedule that results in each parent having 50% of the overnights. Alternating weeks is a common one, but also having the parents alternate between weekends and weekdays. Contrary to what interests like the $tate Bar A$$ociations say, equal shared parenting doesn't mean the kids, "live out of their suitcases". Instead of constantly transferring items, my ex and I (who roughly have 50/50) independently provide for our kids. Instead of one parent paying for items shuffled between homes, we duplicate the other parent's costs. These bills NPO and others advocate for are for a rebuttable (not automatic) presumption of 50/50 for fit, willing and able parents. The presumption is NOT mandatory; the parents can mutually agree to other parenting plans. The 50/50 presumption is designed to protect a child from having a fit, willing and able parent being minimized or erased from their life. A long distance (say, Cleveland vs Cincinnati) would rebut the "able" portion of the presumption. But something like, say, 20 miles apart wouldn't. I have roughly equal time with my kids and my ex and I lived 15 miles apart for many years (it's currently 3 miles) and it was easy. One lady testifying against a shared parenting bill suggested shared parenting was inappropriate if the parents lived in different school districts!! By that logic, shared parenting should be disallowed if the parents live across from each other on a road straddling the boundary between two school districts. An abusive parent would rebut the "fit" portion of the presumption. Powerful interests opposed to having 50/50 have questioned if 50/50 puts an abused child in danger. But they've never considered the typically lopsided 75/25 or 80/20 plans wouldn't provide any protection, either. It's not like an abusive parent is prone to abusing kids they're around 50% of the time but not at 20% timeshare. If a parent is abusive, there shouldn't be ANY parenting time. But if there's no abuse (and in most cases, there isn't), why on earth default to plans that minimize a good parent from a child's life?

[@mrsp1219]

@@phillipcreed4492 that was a fantastic response, very thought out and insightful, thank you so much. Do you have any thoughts on a solution to the family court system? It destroys families and does not protect children. Too often the abusive parent gets sole custody. It seems to be all about the money for the so-called professionals involved.

[@phillipcreed4492]

The 50/50 bills NPO and other shared parenting groups favor only have that presumption for *fit* parents. The 50/50 presumption is rebuttable, and a finding of abuse will rebut the presumption. A good reason to have a rebuttable 50/50 presumption is to not incentivize "winning at all costs" measures and legal chicanery. Part of the problem is the "winner take all" family court system...encourages one to "win". Lobbing a false allegation of abuse has historically proven to be a way to wrest custody from an otherwise fit parent (Google "Silver Bullet Custody Strategy" for more). Estimates vary widely on the % of abuse allegations that are false but suffice to say it's an known problem in family court. Such allegations are very damaging to a child, having a loving parent wrongfully erased from their lives. But the other consequence is that because there's a known issue with false allegations, it can compel a judge -- particularly one who's heard claims that later proved false -- to not believe subsequent legitimate claims of abuse. Some judges have heard more false claims than others and could potentially interpret a merely *uncorroborated* allegation as groundless/false and awards custody to the other parent out of spite. The most important step, IMO, is to disincentivize a false allegation. If the parents are merely bickering but otherwise fit, a rebuttable 50/50 presumption stands a better chance of keeping them out of the courtroom. That frees up more time and resources for the already-clogged courts to examine the hard cases like abuse. No matter what the expertise is onboard the plane, the runway has to be clear before it can take off.

[@phillipcreed4492]

Part of the problem is abuse and DV are crimes, but are too often only adjudicated in civil courts (divorce). Civil proceedings go by the low "preponderance" evidence standard; meaning, is the allegation more likely true than not? A lower burden of proof makes it easier to catch abusers. It also makes it easier for a child to lose a bond with a loving, innocent parent as well. An abuse finding doesn't *minimize* parenting time; it effectively *eliminates* it. That step shouldn't be done unless the court is at least reasonably sure it's the correct call. Some things that might help are (1) the "time taken, time given back" law alluded to in the film, and (2) changing the standard of abuse allegations from preponderance to clear+convincing, which is stronger than preponderance but not as strong as "beyond reasonable doubt." It should be noted C+C is the same evidence standard CPS must meet to remove parenting rights.

[@bryanharrell4059]

@@phillipcreed4492 you are on the right track. I will add consequences for perjury and false allegations in family court. If there's no deterrent, why would a parent not do this in court? The incentives have to be taken away. Also, judicial immunity must be eliminated and there has to be transparency. Too many attorneys use their judges (ex attorneys) to "win" in the winner take all family court system.

[@enodoglobal4609]

This is a unseen pandemic that impacts millions of people around the world. I, like many others have been impacted by this! Its a tragedy but I will not be a victim and will be voice for those who are unable to speak for themselves.

[@Chris-kp7pq]

In time of our nations mental health crisis of youth and adults, it is not good for state judges on behalf of the state to force out the father, making the child prone to victim of the fatherless home!

[@wacatz1]

Thank you for this. I needed it. I would like to know if Robert Garza went through divorce proceedings in Switzerland.

[@ElizabethMcNeese]

Texas

[@wacatz1]

@@ElizabethMcNeese ok, thank you. I would have questions for anyone going or gone through divorce in Switzerland.

[@KoeyWaters-sv9vx]

It is exactly how bad they say it is in We the Parents" here in Billings Montana.

[@fredericksworkshop4595]

Mike that was a GREAT documentary. A old classmate of ours (CHS go Indians) pointed me to this, as I am about to go through this soon. I will share this with anyone I know who may need it. Thanks, Jason

[@bryanharrell4059]

Please check back. Protect yourself and best of luck to you and your child(ren)

[@lornasalvatore182]

Here from 2 be better - going to watch now! Thank you for doing this

[@ElizabethMcNeese]

Thank you so much!

[@jamesappleby]

here in UK, trying to get 50/50 access to kids is like trying to move mountains.

[@RiverWarriorFamily]

I have been dealing with this since April 1, 2013 with Annelisha Ellison and her parents Daniel & DeAnna Ritchey - it has cost me nearly everything to defend my innocence and be a part of my children's lives. There are over 170+ Court Entries surrounding the Eckel Children in the Oregon Douglas County Circuit Court. I have spent 8 full days in court room 304. EIGHT! BUT, I have only lost once in that court room over the years but that doesn't stop her from filing motion after motion and get us all spun up. Living under this magnifying glass is exhausting because they wait for me to mess up and hopefully come and remove my rights as a father.

[@bryanharrell4059]

" living under this magnifying glass is exhausting". Well said and it's an important point to this conversation. You have my empathy and keep telling your story loudly.

[@CozmicGirl]

Very much the same here in the UK