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OneAzerothTV

OneAzerothTV

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@kopitarrules
@kopitarrules 18 күн бұрын
Thanks for the review, brother. I learned a bunch from this key. The roll off the ship happened because for the first time since dragonflight launched I was using Old Flight style (ironically using dragonriding caused havoc in the first dawnbreaker I did because I got lost and went to the wrong entrance of one of the buildings where a miniboss was so (I think it was Amanda) a veiwer suggested I switch flight styles in the dungeon and It worked well but ironically my roll key is 3 and so is my up key for dragonriding. So on instinct I hit the up key realizing as I pressed it my mistake and went "Kop-ing" off the ship to my death. Lol I laughed my butt off because I was already pretty sure that I would be sending it in to you for review. I stand by what I said though, if the Tank had broached the subject of stopping I would have supported him, if he had asked for help I am CERTAIN the group would have helped, but he took essentially the coward's way out by feigning offline. Which is a shame because we BOTH had tons to learn from that key. You are probably right about saving that one boss pull thought, Even with touch of karma fort brew and diffuse magic it might have been too much but if I COULD have lived through the tank buster he was essentially just a rare out in the world with that much health who knows. It would have been epic either way. Lol. Thanks again bud I will keep submitting them anytime I find fun stuff for you.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@kopitarrules that's funny about the flight style. But ya you are right. Doing that only robs everyone of the ability to learn. Who knows though maybe the guy is quitting the spec after this one haha
@bigtrunx
@bigtrunx 18 күн бұрын
ah yes the classic "keep the pull alive" angle where you end up accumulating 20+ deaths in one pull
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@bigtrunx ya really wild haha
@Killtacboy
@Killtacboy 18 күн бұрын
The lemmings pull.
@Telados
@Telados 18 күн бұрын
You get that in League too
@slb159
@slb159 18 күн бұрын
Just like the one review video on where the tank landed and the rat pally suicided themselves, not following the tank...KoP did nothing wrong here. He was just following the tank, who died thrice on that pull and figured he'd better get at least one death in, lest he be flamed for not following suit 😄😄
@dantedante8837
@dantedante8837 18 күн бұрын
starting the new year off with a banger you love to see it :3
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@dantedante8837 haha
@AmandaPelland
@AmandaPelland 18 күн бұрын
Excellent review of Kop's key! I had fun mythic plus-ing with Kop that day and healing the keys on my holy priest (now disc priest). Seeing the key from Kop's dps monk POV and your commentary, I can really see where the tank went wrong. As a healer, you're looking at health bars, the ground and dangers around your character and when this tank in particular kept dying I was questing playing holy priest, haha. I had a good laugh Metro. Keep them coming Kop, this is good stuff!!
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@AmandaPelland ya well maybe as disc you could have helped him more haha. He is just undergeared and doesn't know the danger of the fight.
@WritesFantasy
@WritesFantasy 18 күн бұрын
I have heard this fight is really challenging for bears. My best guess is this bear needs reps on this boss. Managing CDs is very important. Ironfur won't help you. So you have to rely on Iron skin, barks kin, and rage of the sleeper. But I don't think the recommended builds use the second charge of Ironfur or the CD reduction talents. And I am not sure it uses RoS. I just... Refuse to drop my RoS. And also, it looked like he went druid of the claw. Not very great in m+. It sounds good on paper, seemingly doing more dps. But you can't shift to cat in a dungeon. And it doesn't have the defensive props of the moonfire build.
@Netherstrasz
@Netherstrasz 18 күн бұрын
Fantastic content that shows the insanity of these low keys. My new Evoker is doing baby keys and I'm actually envious that I haven't yet had a disaster of an experience to submit to you. Yeah, timing the keys are great but and I love gear. But I also love trainwrecks. This was a trainwreck and by the way, bears are the hardest tank to heal right now. They die quickly.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@Netherstrasz haha make sure you send them in when you see the trainwrecks!
@typicalzergling9955
@typicalzergling9955 16 күн бұрын
Regarding why the tank lands on the back of the little ship before first boss - I do this too. The main reason is that It's a safe place to land without aggroing the mobs, so you can make sure everyone made it over before starting, particularly the healer. For the first boat that is moving, falling through the ship is a common thing, so landing on back and making sure the party is successfully landed and present before starting is just being safe. Its a habit developed because seen too many bugs and fall-throughs on Dawnbreaker that I prefer to add a few seconds there for safety than to risk a wipe and people likely leaving. The second boat is usually stopped so you dont necessarily need to stop on the back but it doesn't hurt to make sure the entire party is there before pulling and avoid face-pulling the packs.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 16 күн бұрын
Big thing some one pointed out as that you can't land on the trash as a bear because you aren't in bear form when you are flying, so fair point on that. Otherwise I imagine this scenario to play out quite often. The times I fall through the boat or whatever, some one always aggros the trash by accident by just not flying accurately.
@typicalzergling9955
@typicalzergling9955 14 күн бұрын
@@heythereguysitsMetro I absolutely see people fly directly to the mobs, this late in the season. For the *tank* to go directly into the mobs, I think that's probably OK, but even still I'd want to make sure I have defensives prepped before just letting mobs have free swings on me while mounted. But for DPS or healers to go straight into the mobs, that just makes zero sense to me why anyone would be doing that this late in the season. We have all seen people fall through the boat, it's always a possibility that the healer or someone doesn't land right away, why would dps or healer go directly into the mobs when they dont even know if the tank made it? I see this all the time and baffles me every time.
@OneNvrKnoz
@OneNvrKnoz 18 күн бұрын
Glad to hear that Kop is back and doing well!
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@OneNvrKnoz absolutely!
@YoWazzup303
@YoWazzup303 16 күн бұрын
Deja vu for me. Early in the season was crest farming 4 keys and had a bear tank that literally was getting one shot each time the beam went out. Like we had 35 deaths to that boss and we just called it. The tank couldn’t figure out their defensives for whatever reason. Wild.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 16 күн бұрын
that would have been an amazing one to record and send in!
@KrowDD214
@KrowDD214 18 күн бұрын
Not M+, but LAST NIGHT, 1 of our MAIN TANKS for Raid gets asked if he plans on tanking in Season 2. He responds "I feel like I finally understand how to Bear tank after this season, so yea." We had problems with him all season, but it's a casual guild so Raid Lead never really said much to him about it until we noticed some gearing issues a few weeks ago and helped him fix them. I, and I'll assume MOST of the Guild, was under the impression this guy had been tanking for years with the way he talked about it. I guess this also explains our 297 pulls on Heroic Queen now...
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
Haha well good luck!
@Telados
@Telados 18 күн бұрын
What is there to understand about bear? Just Trash/Mangle and press Ironfur
@KrowDD214
@KrowDD214 18 күн бұрын
@@Telados No idea, but it took from like week 3 after raid release till.. now.. for him to apparently figure it out. 🤣 We kept having issues keeping him alive in Heroic before I finally noticed his ilevel was like 20 BELOW everyone else in the raid (wearing a Hallow's End event ring ffs, missing enchants, blue gear.. it was wild.) and screenshotted his gear and sent to the raid lead. We got him into some mythics and target farmed for him to fix him up.. but after hearing him say that, I'm honestly no longer stoked about a new raid. 😐
@jigsaw6954
@jigsaw6954 18 күн бұрын
Jesus man, thats a raid lead problem. My first raid back in wrath first thing my raid lead did was inspect everyone he was always on us about gemming and enchanting properly the dude has long stopped playing but it stuck with me now before any raid ill just inspect random people especjally tanks and healers to make sure they are on point. ​@@KrowDD214
@Telados
@Telados 18 күн бұрын
@@KrowDD214 Well I simplified it a bit, you also have to press moonfire once in a while 🗿
@kelkizare2007
@kelkizare2007 18 күн бұрын
I am so glad the mythical man has returned. Good to hear that kop is doing well again, and looking forward to more reviews of his keys.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
Me too!
@DaSilencero
@DaSilencero 18 күн бұрын
what a banger for a first video 2025. Happy new year!
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@DaSilencero happy new year!
@jonathan13co
@jonathan13co 18 күн бұрын
I kinda feel for people who try picking up tanking. As a dps and even healer it is significantly easier to learn from your mistakes - you die -> all good, group keeps going and now you know you needed to dodge/bait/defend/CD/interrupt/whatever. You can also learn as you go, and with some specs save yourself after screwing up. With tanks its not like this. You can't recover from mistakes. Your rotation and CD usage are entirely preemptive. You can't recover from unmitigated damage, its already been taken, too late to use CDs, conserve resources or in this case reposition. Of course this is good, fun and very rewarding gameplay but it takes significantly longer to master, which can be frustrating.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
Ya way higher stress. We talk about this all the time and point to it making tanking the hardest role despite any mechanical complexity of other roles. Every other player can die and you can still continue. But if the tank dies you are looking at a few seconds more of combat at most.
@NatesOP
@NatesOP 18 күн бұрын
Happy new year.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@NatesOP thanks
@cheebahjones420
@cheebahjones420 18 күн бұрын
Bears feel squishy AF in low keys as a healer main. Same.with DHs. Mostly because they mismanage their CDs or because theyre getting casted on constantly. its pretty common for them to charge in without Barkskin or anything and die before they even get one stack of ironfur up.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@cheebahjones420 gotcha thanks!
@Bambaboozled
@Bambaboozled 18 күн бұрын
I cant imagine starting now when low keys are at their worst. Sending strength to the homie kop.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@Bambaboozled haha I'm thankful for it at least!
@Misanthropy_7
@Misanthropy_7 18 күн бұрын
9:18 hahahahahahaha!
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@Misanthropy_7 hilarious right, low keys are crazy.
@bynamscott5564
@bynamscott5564 18 күн бұрын
6:05 I see he is using old flying in this dungeon,maybe he used his roll because roll is on his 3 keybind and it could be that his keybind 3 is like dash forward or up in the air when using dragonriding so perhaps he forgot he is on old flying style. Either way, such a funny moment 😂
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@bynamscott5564 ya that's what it was haha
@TMFriedVO
@TMFriedVO 18 күн бұрын
Bears are squishy at pull but any defensive should be enough to survive a +5. First death the tank pulled the second pack at around 50% health. And it looks like they died from just auto attacks. So I think they just ran in unprepared with no CDs popped while gathering one of the toughest pulls in the dungeon. Almost all the tank deaths from this clip appear to be the tank not using any form of defensive CDs. So probably not a bear issue rather than the tank's skill.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
Ya I imagine it's just this guy.
@TheUnderJaker
@TheUnderJaker 18 күн бұрын
You ever thought about doing a video on tank basics? Maybe things to look for when tanking between your team comp, classes, the enemies you fight? You’re incredibly knowledgeable and could help a lot of new people😊
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@TheUnderJaker I did one in shadowlands!
@TheUnderJaker
@TheUnderJaker 18 күн бұрын
@ do you think those same practices apply now? Does it still hold up?
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@TheUnderJaker well it was mostly about the super basics. Like "what is threat and why it matters" was one of the things we discussed. So ya obviously that stuff never changes.
@Recreantsmile
@Recreantsmile 17 күн бұрын
the amount of web bolts going off is just pure comedy
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 17 күн бұрын
Ya, pretty hard hitting at this level too
@981407036x
@981407036x 18 күн бұрын
5:30 i think the reason he takes such a conservative route is because he's a bear I play bear too, andd when you land directly in the mobs as flight form or on your mount you basically instant die you need 1 gcd to turn into a bear and another gcd to start swiping/thrash to get aggro he probably flew directly into the mobs once and learnt the hard way, i did so too
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@981407036x hey great point there tbh. Didn't think about that at all.
@jeffryb7883
@jeffryb7883 18 күн бұрын
Bear is pretty sturdy, but only if you're using something like Barkskin or Rage of the Sleeper on pull and quickly getting your ironfur stacks up. Barkskin is on a 45 second CD so they should be using it at the start of nearly every pull unless they're holding it for a tankbuster. I also suspect they weren't using frenzied regen nearly enough; the cooldown on it is a bit of a lie since there is a lot of CDR and has a chance to not consume a charge if you talent into Layered Mane (which is currently taken in the meta build). I see that the healer commented that the bear was really squishy and required some babysitting so the bear was likely unaware of their self-healing tools, or they were afraid to put them on cooldown. They might want to stick to 2s and 3s until they get comfortable with bear's kit; it can be a bit overwhelming to people just learning the spec and it's possible that the bear was suffering from decision paralysis at some points.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
Ya another one of those things were they are good but useless if they don't play them even remotely well huh?
@jeffryb7883
@jeffryb7883 18 күн бұрын
@@heythereguysitsMetro Pretty much. If you're overgeared your massive health pool can carry you easily enough, but if not you need to be at least somewhat competent in rotating your cooldowns to not get deleted. - especially when there is a lot of magical damage since their active mitigation (ironfur) just grants pure armor.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@jeffryb7883 ya what options do they have for magic.
@jeffryb7883
@jeffryb7883 18 күн бұрын
@@heythereguysitsMetro They have to use their flat DR cooldowns basically, so Barkskin on a 45 sec cd; Rage of the sleeper on a 1 min cd; and two charges of Survival Instincts on a 3 min cd per charge. They have a pretty massive health pool and a lot of self healing through Frenzied Regen, Renewal, Heart of the Wild, and Lunar Beam so as long as they're mitigating autos they can usually outheal the magic damage. Some magical tankbusters can be a bit brutal if you're inexperienced or unprepared though.
@DavidJDeaton
@DavidJDeaton 17 күн бұрын
damn that's kinda crazy, i'd love to know his ironfur uptime tbh. the biggest thing I see and other people tend to mention it too, is ironfur uptime on bears that tank for them is considerably low. iron fur is your base defensive mitigation and you build it by burning rage which is your primary resource...something he's not gaining being so far away. something to note tho is the tank's health is only like 7.4mil - as a 638ilvl bear tank my base health pool is almost 12mil so dude was definitely very undergeared but most of these situations are livable even at a higher key with that health pool, and with well timed mitigations.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 17 күн бұрын
Ya im sure it wasn't good.
@safetytfh
@safetytfh 18 күн бұрын
the full 7-digit health readouts on the party frames are wild
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@safetytfh k
@bojnebojnebojne
@bojnebojnebojne 17 күн бұрын
This entire season i have yet to see a single competent mage player aside from the one i play with in my premade. It's almost like every mage from the past just left the game and all mages that exists now are new players staring at their action bars 24/7.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 17 күн бұрын
@bojnebojnebojne haha maybe they are!
@bojnebojnebojne
@bojnebojnebojne 17 күн бұрын
@@heythereguysitsMetro XD
@bola31
@bola31 18 күн бұрын
So.. I mainly tank as you know.. I have to admit that it took me til I got into 10s to even Realize the first boss does a massive Magic Direct Dmg when Summoning the Beams.. I just never noticed it til my first 10 dawnbreaker and my hp we poof.. LOL CD needed there haha
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
Ya that's why the damage type weak aura is so crucial!
@Rattja
@Rattja 15 күн бұрын
My experience when healing bears is that their hp moves the most after DK. They take a lot of damage, but also heal a lot. They are very weak at the start of a pull, and most of them almost get globaled every time. It is very scary for a healer, and you can't really give them an external for every pull. The problem with them is that they are promoted as the simplest tank and attract people who do not know how to play very well and severely mismanage their defensives. The amount of bears I have seen that do not stack ironfur is way too high, although I blame Blizzard for that. I think people still have this idea that druids are just tanky by default and do not really need to do anything, because you could do that before but that is no longer the case. An example of this was just yesterday, where a 635 and 2.8k IO druid got killed by the crush tankbuster in GB on a +10 about 5 times. No barkskin, no survival of the fittest, no nothing. I have no idea how he got to that point playing like that, but it is not unusual for bears to play very poorly.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 15 күн бұрын
@@Rattja I think you are on to something about their proposed simplicity. Sounds like it's trapped a lot of players who are not ready for tanking.
@CuddelzTV
@CuddelzTV 18 күн бұрын
I definitely feel the tank buster tuning in the last patch was not enough for some of the squishier tanks specifically stonevault as a blood dk if a healer dispells improperly its a 100% death without ibf
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@CuddelzTV oh, well that's just an error haha
@deenman23
@deenman23 18 күн бұрын
dude dawnbreaker is so chill and easy,just today in a 10 we had the tank fall to their death on the first boat with the 4 mobs and we pulled it just like in this video,it was tottaly fine,no one died until the tank came back
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@deenman23 well I don't think that has anything to do with the dungeon haha
@Bordapatrol
@Bordapatrol 18 күн бұрын
cant monks zen flight in DBer to save a fall?
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@Bordapatrol hmm not sure. Once you fall far enough though you aren't allowed to come back.
@Bordapatrol
@Bordapatrol 18 күн бұрын
@heythereguysitsMetro lmao didn't know there was a point of no return. I've only ever gone off the boat to dodge awful pool placement with flightform
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@Bordapatrol ya we have seen it s few times now especially when I try to reset the last boss.
@dirusj4006
@dirusj4006 18 күн бұрын
Zen flight is disabled
@dimondblade
@dimondblade 18 күн бұрын
Bears/DH are the 2 tanks I get a little nervous with in low keys. Bears because the amount of times I have gone back and looked at ironfur uptime and its less then 5 mins over the entire key. No wonder your so squishy. DH because i keep seeing them jump into a pull raw with no defensives and die in 2 seconds.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
Ya I'm sure low key tanks make crazy mistakes.
@nicowins
@nicowins 18 күн бұрын
Brewmaster is even worse
@WritesFantasy
@WritesFantasy 18 күн бұрын
DH have their hero mode on. Cuz Blizzard gave them wiiiiiiiiings. 😂
@nucleartickz
@nucleartickz 18 күн бұрын
Just before the beams tanks take a big smack, i suppose that is a tank buster, having half health, probably no rage, therefore no Ironfur/no ironbark or survival instincts me too i would be screaming: SAVE ME JESUS ! xD but what do we know. new players or players learning new roles can be a steep learning curve. back then was easier to me, tank and spank and manage resources. Now its a whole new art. the art of being a good tank. id love to try tanking tbh but its situations like this that makes me think twice lol
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
Haha well you already know more than this guy.
@noxyoshi
@noxyoshi 18 күн бұрын
Bear mit isnt that bad vs magic. I just dont think the tank was popping one every time the beams come up. Also i wouldnt be surprised if the tank stood on the line as it was forming.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
Ya possibly also getting hit by the beam, good catch.
@alexanderfullard4107
@alexanderfullard4107 18 күн бұрын
Also love how they didn’t use bl anywhere as wsll
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@alexanderfullard4107 yup wild stuff.
@scuttlebut
@scuttlebut 18 күн бұрын
As a bear main: bears tank fine. I’m betting the bear blew all his CDs on the first trash pack. Died on the ship right away because he didn’t save a defense for the next pack and the white damage from the double pack pull was too much.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@scuttlebut could be!
@Laptican
@Laptican 18 күн бұрын
How does Kop keep finding the gold mines? 🤣🤣
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
Pug only as super off meta dps spec basically.
@WritesFantasy
@WritesFantasy 18 күн бұрын
Mannnn. WW makes monk look so cool. But I can't ever expect to play it well.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@WritesFantasy it is one of the prettiest specs.
@ThomasBachler01
@ThomasBachler01 18 күн бұрын
I see many good and different comments here on bear tanks, CDs and magic dmg, but I just want to throw in there: that the guy has 4% versatility and 25% crit. That is the opposite of what you would want and that is a big multiplier on all the other issues.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@ThomasBachler01 ya his gear is real bad haha. I have war bound items in the bank better.
@ThomasBachler01
@ThomasBachler01 18 күн бұрын
@@heythereguysitsMetro the item level is not really the issue though. Its just the stats. The hero neck he has is bait and he fell for it.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@ThomasBachler01 oh ya, secondary stats are that important for bear then?
@ThomasBachler01
@ThomasBachler01 18 күн бұрын
@@heythereguysitsMetro Contrary to something like BDK, there is a really big difference in how valuable secondary stats are for bear and Crit has almost no defensive value for bear and is always the worst stat (also not good offensively) and versatility is a big part of how bear deals with magic damage. Since you can't have a CD running all the time, you deal with magic dmg by having a lot of health, high versatility and high self healing. Bear is a HP sponge and versatility works well with that even if you don't play well.
@DietcokeHD1
@DietcokeHD1 18 күн бұрын
They buffed bears a bit this expansion. They can now Damage Reduction + AOE Threat with Ironfur if they spend a talent point buffing it. Before if you dumped Rage into Ironfur you stayed alive but did no AOE threat. I never went past +5 with them ( +10 past expansions ) , since i was spending all my rage on threat ( AOE swipes ) and it was a struggle to stay alive.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@DietcokeHD1 how is it against magic?
@DietcokeHD1
@DietcokeHD1 18 күн бұрын
@@heythereguysitsMetro Ironfur mostly buffs a druids armor so unless they got another talent synergy from something else i dont know about it does next to nothing. VS magic you either use your global CD or just take it and use Rage on healing , but then your into no threat situation again , should not be much a problem on single targets like bosses though cause of taunt.
@kelinoxx3469
@kelinoxx3469 18 күн бұрын
@@heythereguysitsMetro i did a +4 dawn with my 600 ilvl tank druid, magic is scary against them (specially coming from prot pally that i can block everything lol)
@galf9242
@galf9242 18 күн бұрын
You generally use your pre-incarn on the first pull, and then save your real incarn for the 2nd pull, because the 2nd pull is far worse. You can see that he doesn't get a pre-incarn off at the start of the key (no orange aura under him), so he's using his real incarn on the first pull, leaving him dry for the 2nd. If you're not familiar with that dungeon, you normally press incarn on CD, so that's an understandable mistake. It's not magic damage so much as the bleed (and likely not using frenzied regen or cooldowns) that kills him on the 2nd pull. The ship landing you called ridiculously conservative isn't that bad -- if your healer gets lost or doesn't land with you, you can't self-sustain on that pack, because it's spam-cast web bolts and the commander's bleed -- I've died through incarn on that pull when I was well ahead of my healer. But yeah, his deaths on the first boss are just him being a novice tank. The boss doesn't hit very hard, so its not that important to generate rage/ironfur stacks, but you need to be using your strong cooldowns on the tank buster, and the tank isn't doing that.
@kelinoxx3469
@kelinoxx3469 18 күн бұрын
does your incarn stays when u start the key?
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@galf9242 good thoughts thanks!
@galf9242
@galf9242 18 күн бұрын
@@kelinoxx3469 Yes, cooldowns longer than 3(?) minutes are reset when you start the key. Because incarn lasts 30 seconds and the countdown before a key begins is only 10, you are left with 20 seconds of 'pre-incarn'. Thats why youll see people do a countdown
@danielgpmarques
@danielgpmarques 18 күн бұрын
I play Guardian on 3k atm, they need some help on dps and magic damage resist. On higher keys its rly rly challenging man. Im alting a naked prot paladin, and yeah, its worlds apart on low keys with all you can do to cover the group (and your own) fails. And your CR as guardian, uses 40 rage, thats half you rage bar and blizz refuses to lower it for some odd reason, even thou they reduced the mana cost of it on other spccs.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@danielgpmarques oh wow. Bloods still uses a lot too but not that much. That's crazy. Can you shift out and use it for free or something?
@danielgpmarques
@danielgpmarques 17 күн бұрын
@@heythereguysitsMetro I cant, if i shift im cooked :(
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 17 күн бұрын
@@danielgpmarques oh ya I was just asking what it cost if you did basically
@danielgpmarques
@danielgpmarques 17 күн бұрын
@@heythereguysitsMetro They reducing the mana cost if you do it on caster or humanoid form, but no change for guardian, still 40 rage out of 100.
@DirtdoingThings
@DirtdoingThings 14 күн бұрын
That ui is wild
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 14 күн бұрын
@@DirtdoingThings k
@Icarus-l8z
@Icarus-l8z 18 күн бұрын
Paladins have better survivability and can pull bigger more easily. Bears are invinciple with incarn up but can die very quickly putside that window. Also bears have bad magic damage defense
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
Ya the magic options are what exactly?
@Leththeloen
@Leththeloen 17 күн бұрын
man recoring low keys are fun, playing a class i don't know that well in a +2 ara kara and it did not last long. tho tank was a new player trying to learn i can respect that but 2 people logged off. and i did record that xD
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 17 күн бұрын
@Leththeloen haha send it over!
@deseanroot75
@deseanroot75 18 күн бұрын
Besrs are great tank's. They just suffer from "notapaladin" disease. I think this leads to a lot of newer tanks who dont want to be Fotm but still strong playing it. Then those newer people unsuprisingly start dying as a bear and it makes the spec look bad.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
Ya this is a new player for sure.
@MrCattlehunter
@MrCattlehunter 17 күн бұрын
Bear is very durable tank atm., weak to big magic hits but that's a problem they've always had, but a lot of bears are stupid and don't use their cooldowns or even their ironfurs properly, in which case bear dies extremely fast. But what tank isn't that true for? I've seen bears do everything from not using beam on cooldown, to not using incarn on cooldown, to not even casting ironfurs, not to mention less obvious mistakes like pulling with no mitigation active which is borderline like pulling in caster form; all of these are catastrophic mistakes that healers can compensate for in very low keys by spamming the tank, but quickly the damage ramps to the point where the guy just dies instantly no matter what because he never learned how to play.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 17 күн бұрын
Thanks for explaining that!
@valrath84
@valrath84 18 күн бұрын
I main bear and have had no issues in m+ idk i dont think its the class lol
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@valrath84 ya I don't either
@kondziofon
@kondziofon 18 күн бұрын
Bears have problem with magic demages especially 1shots
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@kondziofon ya this must be a bad dungeon for them then.
@D2Mephisto
@D2Mephisto 18 күн бұрын
this dungeon is often such a mess in low key levels. came back to play TWW 2 weeks ago, I'm 619 ilvl now, but I was working my way up through M+ the past 2 weeks and oh boy, I had some silly, hilarious, and frustrating times in this dungeon in the +2 to +6 level. XD
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@D2Mephisto make sure you record them! Love reviewing this one in low keys.
@D2Mephisto
@D2Mephisto 18 күн бұрын
@heythereguysitsMetro can I ask you about how to do that? I've recorded things with game bar before, it's like Xbox game bar that's built into Windows, and it didn't have the best performance when I played it back. I have a good PC, Intel 14700k i7 with an RTX 4080 GPU. Do you recommend a certain piece of software for recording?
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@D2Mephisto I like OBS. Open broadcast software. Very light and customizable. Your pc should have no problems.
@D2Mephisto
@D2Mephisto 18 күн бұрын
@@heythereguysitsMetro thanks! I'll get OBS. I forgot it can record. I have used it before. Cheers.
@wiecaszekpawel
@wiecaszekpawel 18 күн бұрын
Druid was supposed to be meta tank but came second after warrior, then 11.0.5 came and pala became meta. I played bear for a bit, health bar was jumping a lot. Also druid needs a dk to grip shit.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@wiecaszekpawel gotcha thanks!
@armormaster88
@armormaster88 18 күн бұрын
Offlining seems to be the new meta after the leaver ban see that a lot now sadly i still hope that flaggs after a certain amount of "convenient dcs" how hard is it to just admit your not knowledgeable and ask for help or to call it so you could be more prepared next time at in . youve said it before but ones gotta wonder if the tanks going to come away from this having learned anything or if hell just do the same thing next group and hope it works out
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@armormaster88 ya sadly I think this guy might just quit haha. Not done a key since on this toon at least.
@armormaster88
@armormaster88 16 күн бұрын
@@heythereguysitsMetro probably for the best in....many ways if so lol. kinda sad though
@deenman23
@deenman23 18 күн бұрын
lol those huge names over the health bars....my god
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@deenman23 he has some vision impairment so a few things are larger than normal on the UI.
@deenman23
@deenman23 18 күн бұрын
@@heythereguysitsMetro i get that sure,but the names being large doesnt really help,its less clarity rather than adding it in these situations
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@deenman23 I don't know why you think you know better than he does. Some weird comments by you tonight.
@deenman23
@deenman23 18 күн бұрын
@@heythereguysitsMetro well i personaly know plenty of people who play with UI's that hinder their gameplay,is there any reason you think making insanely HUGE npc names to be an actual benefit?
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@deenman23 uhh yes because him and I personally worked on his UI and this was one of the features I helped him with. He can't see the names of the enemies otherwise and feels it's crucial so he knows who people are talking about when they say "attack x" etc.
@deimees3828
@deimees3828 18 күн бұрын
Bear is ok if you have swarmlords trink. Same as monk is good with it for the healing the trink. But having to rely on a trink to be semi viable. Not great.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@deimees3828 what they don't have enough defense without it you are saying?
@deimees3828
@deimees3828 18 күн бұрын
@ if I’m on monk and just doing a quick mythic. 675 mil healing taken overall. 436 mil by me. 100 mil of that is that trinket.
@deimees3828
@deimees3828 18 күн бұрын
Also monk needs some love. But ovo if you boost stagger. It becomes op and hard to balance. They are fun to play but trying to do higher keys. Awful. Same as bear. We all know what the most fun tank is though even if it ain’t meta. Also the most fun tank is also the best healer for mythics ;)
@jasonmorgan27
@jasonmorgan27 17 күн бұрын
I would have left after the second pull. Of course I would have pull the whole room and deleted everyone first though
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 17 күн бұрын
@@jasonmorgan27 k
@Krispydink
@Krispydink 16 күн бұрын
I didnt know you can fly normally in dungeons what the heck?
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 16 күн бұрын
Yup, just switch flight modes.
@Slamdoxicalz
@Slamdoxicalz 18 күн бұрын
The start of Dawnbreaker is not a challenge for Guardian, berserk on the timer/key start and berserk the 2nd pack, you're golden... no idea what's going on in the video, limited interface. No power bars, no omniCD.. Guardian looked good on paper but turned out average. You need a CD on every pull/pack and basically every tank buster (til some of the nerfs recently, lower key tank busters are survivable without). Preferably you want to chain so you can keep ironfur rolling. Guardian utility is take everything to the face; no reflect, block, anti-magic shield, a.o. just have a CD ready for the real pain. They're getting a needed magic damage reduction rework in 11.1
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
Thanks for explaining that!
@JD74-v5h
@JD74-v5h 18 күн бұрын
See this is what i find annoying stupid. Your not wrong - in fact your 100% right. But a tank doing a +2 shouldnt have to have a list of addons to make it work! Just saying - if blizz UI is so bad you know have to have a list of addons to tank (and you do) - that's a game fail.
@Slamdoxicalz
@Slamdoxicalz 16 күн бұрын
@JD74-v5h I more meant that I can't judge what this guardian is doing with this point of view. Power bars are Blizz UI setting but yes, when doing higher keys I really enjoy omniCD. Blizzard sort of fails with delivering proper tools for the complete chaos some dungeons are xD
@deenman23
@deenman23 18 күн бұрын
honestly to a point i feel like people could be trolling you with these videos just faking it,this happens all the time when a channel does funny submited videos,moist critical has this happen to him all the time with his angry message videos
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@deenman23 who would you think is trolling here?
@deenman23
@deenman23 18 күн бұрын
@@heythereguysitsMetro im not saying its happening here,you also know the guy,but i can see people doing this as a skit and sending it
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@deenman23 oh gotcha. Ya maybe. Jambo always jokes about paid actors but I don't think anyone would really want to waste their time with it. They ultimately gain nothing out of it.
@deenman23
@deenman23 18 күн бұрын
@@heythereguysitsMetro oh...oh my...you are so innocent ;))))) people are deranged,a dude just drove 700 miles to burn a twitch streamers car because he found out she has a boyfriend
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@deenman23 then why do you think it hasn't happened yet after all these years?
@morningglory2129
@morningglory2129 18 күн бұрын
Imo bear players are just kinda bad at the game. Overall they are a fine tank just people realllly suck at it.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@morningglory2129 oh ya? It's been known as the easiest tank for a long while so it might collect some players just looking for the easiest ride?
@morningglory2129
@morningglory2129 18 күн бұрын
@heythereguysitsMetro idk just man its soo rare too get one that is even halfway decent. Alot dont use their rage enough or they simply just run into packs with no defensive rolling.
@nicowins
@nicowins 18 күн бұрын
That dh + mage sucked man. Worse dps I have seen for a +5
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 18 күн бұрын
@@nicowins ya rough one but tbh dps is fine for this level. It's still funny though.
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