We Were All Wrong About Protein Intake?

[@Freud_Rage]

Grams per pound is such a bastard of a unit

[@TheBswan]

But it's pretty nice that 1g per lb bw is a reasonable target

[@mrfarenheit9159]

Nanograin per stone?

[@thebunz7]

kilograms are gay get with the program

[@jiorno_jowana]

It should be scoops per second

[@lyzo111]

​@@thebunz7My man you are using grams, too. They are simply superior

[@hjewkes]

I’ve been doing 30g per lb for years and have cultivated a crazy amount of mass. Just hit 500lbs so I get to eat 60,000 calories per day in protein alone

[@tinashemasoka7713]

😂

[@kwg5044]

fat

[@MarriedWithBackpacks]

Gotta pump those numbers, those are rookie numbers

[@howardmighty6764]

Lizzo?

[@The-Cole-Train]

So when are you going to start eating

[@s98715]

I think Milo needs to take a step back and reconsider what his role as a science communicator is. It's not just to do a simple pubmed search and then blindly accept the conclusions of whatever the latest meta analysis on a topic (that isn't even his specialty) is, and then make sweeping claims like everything we know about protein is wrong because of this one paper! Your job is to look at the totality of the evidence and evaluate it to see if it is rigorous. Menno did a great job breaking down the statistics and methods in the Tagawa 2020 paper and showing that that paper had serious methodological flaws: it didn't control for energy intake in the studies it looked at (simply placing weight as a regression covariate is *not* good enough); it didn't even report its data, which is insane. And on top of this, the high protein recommendation (as Menno points out) is based on extrapolating the results of a handful of studies on low body weight participants. Only two studies in the meta actually assigned protein intakes of above 200g (which doesn't mean that the participants actually consumed that much), and none of them had participants who actually reported consuming more than ~160g/day, according to the surveys. To take this extremely limited data and then extrapolate to bodybuilders who weight 200lbs or more would mean a protein recommendation of 300g/day -- way beyond any amount that was actually tested in this paper. This is just not an evidence based recommendation! Extreme claims require extreme evidence, and the paper that Milo keeps citing is not good enough evidence to overturn the standard protein recommendation.

[@edrash1]

This comment needs to be pinned

[@ssk58607]

W comment

[@whitemakesright2177]

All these guys do this same thing, making all the errors that you've cited. Part of the problem is that the quality of the research in exercise science is very low. These studies would be laughed out of the room in a social science like psychology, let alone a hard science like physics or chemistry. There's only so much they can do with what they have to work with. That's why I always take studies with a grain of salt, and tend to weight the "conventional wisdom" of the lifting community through the generations much higher.

[@pierrea3094]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@whitemakesright2177the original analysis was spot on. Yours not so much though, name a few of “these guys” or cite something relevant? Making blanket statements like research in the field of exercise science is lacking in overall quality across the field is an astounding claim with very little merit. Furthermore no person should be basing their training or diet off one or two pieces of research that is absurd and likely the status quo, you are not some sort of enlightened outlier.

[@alintdg9896]

Comment must be pinned

[@ljpiner]

I cant believe I've been lied to. I will never watch this channel again until they post another video!

[@ChairBear56]

Hahaaa😂LoL🤣

[@IBareBear_]

same, f these guys!

[@terriiii8785]

🤣🤣🤣

[@randy161]

😜

[@superplusextra9634]

Damn not gonna lie you had me in first half 😂

[@Handles_AreStupid]

This video is based on an error. He is citing a paper that measured protein intake in g/kg, but he keeps phrasing the same or similar numbers from the paper as being g/lbs. The paper ultimately recommended 1.5g/kg, not 1.3g/lbs. 1.5g/kg is closer to 0.7g/lbs... EDIT: The figures are for LEAN BODY MASS ONLY. It is not your TOTAL WEIGHT. Subtract your fat mass before calculating your protein needs! You won't see ill effects if you don't, but you will have a harder time with your caloric budgeting if you forget!

[@dankcik09]

Yes an above comment made the same clarification, Thank you for confirming.

[@TreetopCanopy]

And 1.5g/kg is consistent with previous research

[@Wingnut202]

Looks like he's referring to 10.1093/nutrit/nuaa104 by Tagawa et al. which does support the figures he's stating which was a meta-analysis of over 100 studies, including those who did resistance training vs. no resistance training. However, considering there are multiple papers over different years with similar authors, also meta-analyses, and yet different results and he's conflating them or misstating the year makes it all confusing as fuck for everyone, before we can even discuss the actual paper(s). I wish they would cite their sources and leave them in the description, especially for a channel that's based around evidence-based lifting and science, it feels like they absolutely should.

[@Matt-by2bf]

@@Wingnut202this is the correct assessment of this video

[@mylarus]

Thanks. The switch between units was confusing. I know Americans use pounds but the rest of us use kgs. As this is science please stick to kgs.

[@hansjuker8296]

6:30 is when they cut to the chase.

[@tim75]

Thank god for this individual.

[@cowboy8727]

Thank you! 🙏

[@agakrayna]

You have saved 6:30 of my life that could have been wasted. Thank you sir

[@tomer_helzer]

Bless you internet stranger!

[@vidzofivi]

Not all heroes wear capes. You might, hero nonetheless.

[@expanda1111]

I still am going to stick with my 1 lb of protein per 1 gram of body weight.

[@Simon-talks]

No, eat MOAR!!

[@xkidmidnightx]

Stay small bro

[@ja4291]

😂😂😂

[@kingyeti6336]

Why do you hate gains so much bro?

[@KL-ii1xt]

just add a Dinabol based diet protein so you can cut your intake in half otherwise stay small and grow belly

[@gilgamesh2429]

EDIT (2024-12-05T175015Z): The fact that I'm making this clarifying statement and not the video's creators is a bit absurd. All of the confusion could have been easily avoided if these "exercise scientists" appropriately cited the "new research" that the entirety of this video based upon. It looks like there are two studies by the same team (Tagawa and colleagues). One was published in *2020* and another in *2022.* Based on (05:20) "In *2022* Tagawa and colleagues performed another meta-analysis..." this is the study they are discussing: 10.1186/s40798-022-00508-w. Here is a direct quote from the major findings of that study: _"First, protein intake leads to a significant improvement in muscle strength only when combined with resistance training. Second, the spline model results showed that 1.5 g/kg BW/d total protein intake with resistance training is required to achieve the optimal effect on muscle strength."_ - *1.5 grams per kilogram of total bodyweight per day = 0.7 grams per pound of total bodyweight per day* Based on Dr. Wolf's other video, as well as the results seemingly being described in the video (06:29), they are _actually_ discussing the *2020* study: 10.1093/nutrit/nuaa104. Here is a direct quote from the primary findings of that study: _"(1) The subgroup analyses, displayed as forest plots, indicated that protein supplementation was significantly effective for increasing LBM with or without resistance training; (2) Dose-response analyses with the multivariate-adjusted spline model indicated that total protein intake over a wide range of doses (from 0.5 to 3.5 g/kg BW/d) was positively correlated with an increase in LBM. Slightly increasing the current protein intake by 0.1 g/kg BW/d may potentially increase or maintain current muscle mass; (3) The rate of increase in the effect of protein supplementation rapidly diminished after 1.3 g/kg BW/d was exceeded, and resistance training markedly suppressed this decline."_ - *1.3 grams per kilogram of total bodyweight per day = 0.6 grams per pound of total bodyweight per day* - *_LBM_** = lean body mass* I'll leave it up to you guys to read and interpret the research yourselves, which you can do now that you have access research in question. ORIGINAL COMMENT (approx. 2024-12-04T180000Z): I'm very confused. Why not link the study in the description, seems kinda weird that I had to track it down based on "Tagawa and colleagues performed a meta-analysis" (05:20). Based on that, I am assuming the DOI for the "new" study they are talking about is this: 10.1186/s40798-022-00508-w. Here is the conclusion of the study (this is a direct quote): "Concurrent use of resistance training is essential for protein supplementation to improve muscle strength. This study indicates that 1.5 g/kg BW/d may be the most appropriate amount of total protein intake for maintaining and augmenting muscle strength along with resistance training." Note that this is g/kg not g/lb. 1.5g/kg equals 0.68g/lb. In the video Dr. Wolf constantly constantly recommends 1.3 g/lb BW/d protein (7:59), which would be 2.9g/kg BW/d protein which is much higher than the study actually recommends - did he confuse pounds and kilograms? Also, why not give your viewers some of the actual visuals from the study? The spline curves for the dose-response relationship between total protein intake and change in muscle strength (fig. 2) on 10.1186/s40798-022-00508-w would have been perfect. Seems kinda lazy.

[@Leon-yp9yw]

i believe they're talking about this study from 2020 pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7727026/pdf/nuaa104.pdf they must have got it confused cause the 2022 study is about strength gain not hypertrophy

[@T0AD0FT0ADHALL]

Ha ha, I said this in another comment. He's had other guests draw some slightly extravagant conclusions from published papers, but if it's actually the paper we both found, this video needs taking down. The whole thing seems based on an error.

[@akbarnaqvi4737]

They had another paper in 2020 (PMID 33300582) which looked at optimal protein intake for lean bodymass increase (they mistakenly title it "muscle mass" but they actually look at LBM). If you take their recommendations literally, it's 1.5 g/kg to max strength, 3.5 g/kg to max lbm.

[@jonathanovenden5039]

lol right???

[@lutovac_nikola]

They just do anything for views, 2 scammers

[@DkZeria]

1g / 1 kg BW is not the same as 1g / 1 lb BW. Video might be cooked and in need of a reupload

[@Matt_Alaric]

2 different measurements are different from each other. Yes. Luckily they never once said they were the same thing.

[@user-no4vq3rm6t]

They said 1.6 kg and 1 lb per pound

[@Bramble20322]

​@@user-no4vq3rm6tthose are not equivalent, lmao.

[@KGS922]

He said 1.6 per kg is .8 per lb in the video. ​@@Bramble20322

[@realbddy1921]

but the study apparently used kg and not lbs

[@swebble7556]

Absolutely outrageous to post claims like this and not link the studies.

[@MellonVegan]

Yeah, that's what I thought. Would have loved to see some citations, so I can see for myself. Basic rules of scientific communication.

[@davorzdralo8000]

I have to agree. I like RP, but they really need to start citing their sources.

[@kovatembel]

I agree it's kinda lazy for them to omit the link, but surely ya'll can find it in a few seconds if you make an effort. Google scholar "Tagawa protein review" gives you the study in the 1st result.

[@kovatembel]

nm I take it back, they should have posted the link :> Appearantly there's at least 1 more different review paper from Tagawa et al. from around the same year with different results, causing major confusion (saw this in another comment thread)

[@moog5260]

you're supposed to buy the app and never have to worry because it auto includes every new hype thing that comes along 😂

[@MellonVegan]

I saw Menno's refutation of this, which included him mentioning that the exact same authors of this study published an even newer meta analysis years later with improved methodology that found the old recommendations to be pretty much correct. I'm starting to feel like I should just read the original papers instead of watching YT videos..

[@MellonVegan]

To that point, I'd love if you'd include citations for these things. Makes it easier for people to read up on these things themselves and come to their own conclusions (scientifically literate people at least).

[@coonhound_pharoah]

@MellonVegan Don't get science from influencers. KZbinrs are influencers and not scientists no matter what degree they have. Science is a process not a degree.

[@kiing2313]

The golden rule is: do milo wolf agree with this take? Yes? Then is 99% wrong. This man is the representation of being consistently wrong about everything

[@ey870]

YESSS!!! Always wondered why Mike doesnt include the references/citations - Mennos take was great and made more sense

[@fredfredburger5150]

@@MellonVegan • Tarnopolsky et al. (1992) observed no differences in whole body protein synthesis or indexes of lean body mass in strength athletes consuming either 0.64g/lb or 1.10g/lb over a 2 week period. Protein oxidation did increase in the high protein group, indicating a nutrient overload. • Walberg et al. (1988) found that 0.73g/lb was sufficient to maintain positive nitrogen balance in cutting weightlifters over a 7 day time period. • Tarnopolsky et al. (1988) found that only 0.37g/lb was required to maintain positive nitrogen balance in elite bodybuilders (over 5 years of experience, possible previous use of androgens) over a 10 day period. 0.45g/lb was sufficient to maintain lean body mass in bodybuilders over a 2 week period. The authors suggested that 0.55g/lb was sufficient for bodybuilders. • Lemon et al. (1992) found no differences in muscle mass or strength gains in novice bodybuilders consuming either 0.61g/lb or 1.19g/lb over a 4 week period. Based on nitrogen balance data, the authors recommended 0.75g/lb. • Hoffman et al. (2006) found no differences in body composition, strength or resting hormonal concentrations in strength athletes consuming either 0.77g/lb or >0.91g/lb over a 3 month period.

[@Wolf462]

Just go for the easy math. 1g/lb always works if everything else is dialed in. Honestly most people worry too much about stuff that barely affects their gains when they out partying, getting shit sleep, just going through the motions at the gym… So many gyms turned into bro hangouts and girls posing. It’s disgusting, have to lift at stupid hours now

[@michaellynn9763]

Same here mate, always same groups of guys hogging equipment, sitting on phone for 40 minutes without even doing a single rep etc. And since I'm doing a slightly altered version of Starting Strength, the 2 racks I need are usually unavailable! Either 5am or 10pm, nothing in between!!

[@Trippp550]

Summary: .8 grams per pound of body weight will see solid results and 1.2-1.3 grams per pound of body weight will maximize hypertrophy, 1.3g/lbs if you want to be safe. Anything above 1.3 grams you will start to see diminishing returns

[@esqx0878]

Also the info is just a single study and isnt a fact.

[@Vaterlandstreuer]

@@esqx0878 A single study?? You mean a meta-analysis with the information from - I think they said - about 70 studies?

[@prins424]

I don't think you know what diminishing returns means.

[@non_ifbb_bro]

Lmao yes because the body knows 1.29grams is the limit. Jesus. Just eat your fucking protein that’s it.

[@fsh_outta_wtr]

Isn't there a contradiction in your own statement? If 1.2 grams "maximizes" hypertrophy, then how can further protein intake have diminishing returns? By definition, you haven't maxed out your potential gains.

[@LTT.Official]

13:50 is the answer....saved you 15mins again, your welcome.

[@ORiOh4582]

Do you guys just not get the appeal and point of this channel or something?

[@Yabuddy53]

Thanks mate

[@Yabuddy53]

@@ORiOh4582nothing wrong with wanting a succinct answer

[@iscaria3337]

These chats are the worst part of the channel. Especially when it's all maybe maybe and we don't have enough info but let's make a clickbait video anyway.

[@thghtfl]

@@ORiOh4582 I believe weird jokes or empty chatter are not what the majority of people watch this for

[@woodsmaneh952]

This video needs a rethink. If this was the defence of a thesis, you’d get asked to leave the room and come back when you aren’t wasting everyone’s time. Cluttered and meandering is an understatement.

[@isaacberger2561]

It’s the never ending cycle. Start with bro science. Go to real science. Then real science returns you back to bro science. 😂 Freaking love it.

[@filipcza2]

Bros just know better than pencil necks. Always have. The nerds just have hard time accepting it because they must know everything better

[@Sunesha]

People always overestimate how much knowledge they have.

[@NN-oz6rr]

​@@filipcza2 Nerds unironically make the world worse. Think Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg. Not to be confused with philosopher Chads and esoteric Nikola Tesla types

[@warren1078]

​@Sunesha it's the dunning Kruger phenomenon! It's a well known thing

[@Jacob-sl6ur]

​@@filipcza2Nah it's about actually knowing something instead of just believing something.

[@thejungle11]

god damn it. science needs to chill out. i cannot physically consume any more chicken per day. i'm already gnawing my way through a hen house. chicken at 8:30AM, that shit is not natural. dont come at me with any shake bullshit, ill shake you like a crying baby

[@feelingthislife]

I feel this comment in my soul

[@Article15Angling]

@thejungle11 whenever people ask me what I eat daily I just tell them I am committing chicken genocide 😂🤷‍♂️

[@mralexdude2038]

whey whey whey whey whey whey FIGHT ME ABOUT IT WHEY WHEY WHEY WHEY

[@Ligmaballin]

I AM TIRED OF EATING CHICKEN EVERY DAY. Yes there are other alternatives of protein source, but i'm poor and chicken is the best way currently

[@rtmordecai1]

Literally the equate way protein at Walmart is 30 grams per serving in individual premixed bottles and it’s not that much more expensive than regular why powder. Protein is expensive but there really shouldn’t really be that much food, money wise, to eat after hitting your protein macro each meal.

[@Ziggle-ky9kv]

A book that changed my life in ways that I never could imagine is "Secret Testosterone Nexus of Evolution".Drop whatever you're doing right now and go find that book. Trust me after I implemented things from the book my testosterone levels went beast mode

[@VBH8888]

Dude check out eat by your type. Book on how different blood types convert different foods to different enzymes based on the chemistry your running on. While some foods may be super foods for you may cause inflammation for another and wise versa

[@rudolflc1684]

bot

[@Snerdles]

Looks like we have to ditch the common serving size of "scoop" and move on to the science based "bucket".

[@LucasNance]

Kfc?

[@landonmathews6111]

I prefer trough myself

[@Janzer_]

@@landonmathews6111 feedbag

[@DAMfoxygrampa]

Nah, he misspoke. Meant g/kg

[@AliJaw2d94]

😂

[@TravisHollomon]

It’ll change again in two weeks, just wait.

[@yasd23a]

Menno already made a reply video, this paper is not very good. The same Japanese group also confirmed the "outdated" paper in a separate study.

[@siffran123]

@@yasd23a Menno also conventiently dodged the critique against the methodology in his own paper.

[@screamingsixties]

Menopause your protein.

[@plwadodveeefdv]

Nothing changed. It's about 1g/lb like it has been for years and years 🤷

[@elhant4994]

​@@siffran123 What critique, can you share?

[@AnarchyEnsues]

Thanks for consistently mixing the units.

[@hellomejellos]

There are two studies whose dates are being mixed here. Tagawa did a study in 2020 that looked at muscle mass increase. This is what Wolf is summarizing in the above video. There is a second study Tagawa did in 2022 which looked at strength increase. Talking about the study that looked at hypertrophy, diminishing returns kick in at 1.3g/kg or approxomately .59g/lb. After this point, every gram of protein is about 30% as effective as the grams below this. For the strength paper, Tagawa concludes that 1.5g/kg or approximately .68 g/lb is the point at which strength is no longer improved by higher protein intake. If you are trying to absolutely maximize hypertrophy, sure, follow the above recommendations. However, I think it is important to understand that the papers seem to indicate that you will not get stronger, and the hypertrophic impact is significantly less cost effective. This is a recommendation primarily for those who are dedicated the lifestyle and looking to absolutely maximize hypertrophy.

[@yokomodrifter]

thanks for dumbing it down for us

[@NabnaVS]

I think your comment is correct. Wolf just mixed up the years of the 2020 study with the 2022 study on strength and people are looking up the 22 study and saying wolf is lying about its claims. I had to scroll so far down in these comments to find anyone else who noticed that lol

[@dankcik09]

Many saying 1.3g per unit daily without clarifying lb or kg. You are clarifying that if we compare to lbs we require .68g/1lb, which is the same as 1.3g/1kg. Thank you for clarifying. So if I weigh 205 lb, I require 139g of protein daily. I think I got that right?

[@hellomejellos]

@@dankcik09 that amount will maximize strength and is past the major breakpoint for hypertrophy according to the studies. Simply, yes. If you wanna be safe aim for 0.8 grams per pound (164 g for you) just in case you are a weaker responder to the protein. Remember these studies are always talking about the average person and your body will always be a bit different.

[@coonhound_pharoah]

@@NabnaVS Wolf is lying because he doesn't know kilograms are not pounds.

[@TheOneAndOnlySatan]

As a 16 year old bro scientist from the '80, i have to say tren beats protein.

[@Football__Junkie]

1 gram tren / lb bodyweight / week

[@ynotna77dracip94]

As a '90 scientist I advise anyone trying to grow muscle to smoke 1 cigarette per 2 pounds per day. Very healthy alternative to disgusting meats.

[@dmaniac86]

Do you have your coffin picked out already or are you just gonna let your family "wing it" ?

[@TheOneAndOnlySatan]

@@dmaniac86 i feel immortal, so i am immortal. As i believe the world to be, so it is.

[@hagalathekido]

Nah, try eating 0 grams and see how much gains you get

[@mrsaagar7]

This video would have been so much more accessible if a lot of the stats and research designs were visualized. As someone who graduated in Human Movement Sciences but does not have English as his first language, I had a very hard time following and had to pause and go back multiple times. Can imagine it being it even harder for people without an academic background

[@GoldenGuitar_]

Please put a reference in the description for the paper you are discussing.

[@hclyrics]

The study did not reach the same conclusions they did. The DOI is 10.1186/s40798-022-00508-w

[@SeptemRoptem]

thats it im starting a protein powder company

[@sandervanderleest7520]

Ill help u

[@Dontbustthecrust]

you don't want to know how that shit is created, bro

[@yeefie2451]

ay lets go

[@dankcik09]

soy soy and....... soy

[@teapotcubby]

Odd how all these content creators are backed by a protein powder company eh? Makes you think

[@oldbeergangster2381]

I could spend 17 minutes watching two PhDs discuss a study and give confusing data, or I could ask ChatGPT to analyze both studies and provide a bullet-point summary of the key conclusions and the RDD. It delivered the results in under 40 seconds. Optimal protein intake for maximizing gains: 1.5g to 1.6g of protein per kg of body weight, according to these studies.

[@stevemarchant3670]

and 'optimal' is defined by what? Most efficient ? Bang for buck? If you take 2g per kilo you might gain an extra 10% of muscle - so 10% per 0.4g (the difference) is not really a metric that would be classed as optimal use of protein. And for the average gym user that would be right. But if you are a competitive body builder that extra 10% would be significant.

[@booperdee2]

eat as much protein as you are comfortably able to. Dont stress it so much, just get as much of it as you can without it being obnoxious

[@AlphaLionTrillionaire]

0 contribution award

[@jamesellison6154]

​@@AlphaLionTrillionaire 0 cOnTrIbUtIoN AwArD hne hne hne

[@narutopoint]

​@@AlphaLionTrillionaire Quadrillion contribution award

[@samisnotreal4360]

No I want to be obnoxious I love eating cooked chicken breast out of the pack on the job

[@screamingsixties]

@@samisnotreal4360 stuff your pockets full of raw eggs.

[@iamchristenlalala]

The channel has more subs than Liver King, V-Shred, and Dr. Oz! Congratulations on 3 milly!

[@Whatiffitness]

The world is healing. 😂

[@richardsykes6762]

100% deserved.

[@Intvictus]

Idk about Dr Oz haven't heard of that but them other 2 channels are pretty much memes

[@screamingsixties]

Been following Mike since 2017

[@takeiteasy8847]

Maybe in trumps third time Dr. MIke will be the minister of health instead of Dr. Oz

[@bboyamigo1]

So much unnecessary water. Get straight to the point please. This could be effectively a 4 minute video

[@harrybauls4315]

I guess i'm going to smell like farts forever

[@dandyrandy2384]

Hahahaha bro so accurate.

[@AlfimAlves]

I never get that and I eat 200g+ protein at 175lbs 5ft10

[@auralplex]

I don’t get that.

[@kalmah2284]

@@AlfimAlves yea same, and am on like 45g fiber/day, alot of it is soluble tho, just gotta have a well balanced diet and good gut that u listen to

[@MariusvanDyk-q4n]

Lol and some people gonna smell like diarrhea pre and post gym

[@CriticalJamesTheory]

I love the nose whistles from the heavy breathing directly into the microphone

[@JJReal-m7x]

Booger whistles 😂

[@MariusvanDyk-q4n]

ASMR for mouthbreathers

[@Avianthro]

~7:20 onward...Going from 0.4 to 0.8 gave 3-times the gain rate and going from 0.8 to 1.3 gave only 1.4-times the gain rate...clearly diminishing returns after 0.8, right? The sweet spot is therefore at around 0.8. Also, it sounds like there's no certainty as to whether that additional 40% increase from0.8 to 1.3 continues indefinitely to be true...would a bodybuilder who eats 1.3 g/lb always continue to gain lean mass 40% faster than one who's consuming only 0.8? Also, what's typical then in absolute terms for bodybuilders? How much can they gain in a year? Will 40% be all that much in absolute terms? Is quality of training perhaps more important than the protein added beyond 0.8? Methinks that we worry too much about protein...Just keep it at the FDA's RDI of 10% total breakeven kcal and add about 10 g per day if you're a bodybuilder, and above all, train smart, not doing unnecessary excessive damage to your muscles that must be repaired first before new mass can be added.

[@chayoto]

So do Milo and Menno not talk to each other anymore? This was the perfect opportunity for them to engage in a debate moderated by Mike.

[@mike990]

Damn. I better drop another $120 on double chocolate pixie dust!

[@danielbdskov5854]

I cannot find the study that says 1.3 grams of protein per pound. I find several studies that says 1.3 per kg, is it possible that either you guys link the study or that Dr Wolf misread?

[@kimdienasty]

Time to get a whole cow in

[@matthewescobedo3535]

Placing an order for a whole cow now

[@Vincent_Beers]

That was the jay cutler strategy. You buy an entire cow And have it butchered.

[@KrwiomoczBogurodzicy]

Time to stop being egocentric, egoistical and a creep devouring flesh of abused and immiserated animals and go vegan.

[@alexandreroudaut7218]

Or you can also eat vegan protein you fuckin idiot

[@TwilightGoatHerder]

Time to get in a whole cow.

[@Martin-dw7ui]

Menno Hanselmanns did also a a Video few days ago and he is still defending his Meta Analysis , so what should i believe now ?

[@freddym6643]

Menno is the prettiest, I'd go with that

[@CatEars4Lyfe]

Evaluate not who said what but what was said.

[@mmmhsweetlemonade]

Menno, the interpretation here is bullshit

[@user-ii7xc1ry3x]

That's up to you. We have our own head and analysis capabilities.

[@Nuclayer]

You should believe Menno. This study has tons of issues like not equating for calories, or if they are natural or not. See Mennos video.

[@alzero4621]

14:50 Better question is: what type of protein was it used in the study? Then we would know if complete/incomplete protein matters or not, instead of just waving our hands. Remember, a study only provides evidence (not even "proves") in the context of the study -- anything else is risky extrapolation.

[@VVVVV00]

Brotein

[@kanedeiley3658]

Id like to see a response to Mennos video on this study. Pretty scathing; and appears to be a reasonably logical critique.

[@Torkel-tv4bg]

I don’t know what to believe, agree so much

[@NotTodayBud]

I need some cliff notes because I can't stand the way Dr. Wolf talks but I'm interested in the subject

[@SS0895]

Pull the transcript with something like notegpt then summarize with chat gpt. This is what I got: The transcript is a casual, humorous discussion about protein intake and its impact on muscle growth, with references to recent research. Here’s a summary: 1. Protein Requirements for Muscle Growth: • Traditional recommendations suggest about 1.6g of protein per kilogram of body weight or 1g per pound for maximizing muscle growth. • Older research (2018, Morton et al.) indicated diminishing returns beyond this point, but a newer meta-analysis (2022, Tagawa et al.) challenges this. • The newer study, with more comprehensive data, shows benefits up to 1.3g of protein per pound, even in lifters controlling for body weight gain. This finding suggests higher protein intakes can result in up to 40% more muscle growth compared to the previous recommendation. 2. Practical Recommendations: • For casual lifters: 0.8g per pound is effective and sufficient for most people. • For those aiming to maximize growth: 1-1.3g per pound of body weight is recommended, with diminishing returns past 1.3g. 3. Special Populations: • Older adults and vegans/vegetarians should aim for higher protein intakes (20% more) due to decreased protein sensitivity or lower-quality protein sources. 4. Protein Quality and Sources: • Protein quality matters less if intake is sufficiently high (1.3g/pound). • Most people can achieve their goals without obsessing over protein quality unless they rely heavily on single, low-quality sources. 5. General Commentary: • The conversation includes playful banter, cultural asides (e.g., Japan’s influence on emoji culture), and critiques of dietary terminology (“plant-based”). • The speakers emphasize the importance of understanding diminishing returns and tailoring protein intake to individual goals and circumstances. This discussion is both informative and light-hearted, blending science with casual humor.

[@apeking7099]

I need it for all his videos because of the joking tangents 😂

[@apeking7099]

@SS0895 Thanks. Never thought of using AI

[@jessikagriffin9731]

TBH i'm not sure, the "new recommendation" at the end sounds exactly like every recommendation i've ever heard. 1-1.3g per pound

[@NotTodayBud]

@@SS0895 that's so cool. I need to learn more about using AI to my benefit.

[@meltedsnowman9637]

Menno Henselmans recently made a video rebutting what Wolf says here and this study says.

[@SladeHums]

Not only that, but in his video he mentions that the same researchers of this paper have published a more recent study with more controls for confounding effects that suggest the most efficient point of consumption is in line with the 1.5g/kg or .7g/lb, which is what the previous popular studies suggested.

[@coonhound_pharoah]

@@meltedsnowman9637 Don't bother Mike and Milo with facts they have egos to stroke.

[@genericwebhosting]

​@@coonhound_pharoah ive critisced milo in his shoulders video where his form was so poor, i mean awful, and his fan boys came to the rescue... annoying dude has shit upper body. good kegs though

[@pedepsitorul]

This was already debunked by Menno, disappointed in Mike for releasing this bs video

[@douglaslopes5913]

Do you have a link? I would like some actual information on my feed

[@ericssonbucoy7303]

@@douglaslopes5913 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGXZdImJp6lmbLc

[@hclyrics]

@@douglaslopes5913 Actually, the study they're citing (DOI 10.1186/s40798-022-00508-w) did not reach the same conclusions they did. So, the study referenced in the video debunked their magical conclusions anyway.

[@GoblinatingGoblinator]

Thanks for putting out these videos, I started working out and your videos are funny, motivational and, informative. Just watching someone huge work out and explain somethings is helping me out so much, as well to understand how a muscle moves and where it is. I'm even starting to get a better mind muscle connection I never had before and it's helping me out in everyday activities. One day I'll be able to hit my goal of being able to do bodyweight pullups instead of assisted pullups, I've already taken off 40 lbs off the assisting weight but I'm still so far. Keep uploading and keep having a small... wait no I mean keep being awesome.

[@sebastianbechpetersen858]

This needs to die. First Milo completely overblows the volume study, and now this bad meta analysis to "shake the foundation of protein intake". Yeah.. no thanks. Doing 30 sets for every bodypart/wk and eating a literal fucking 1.5kgs of meat per day to hit my protein goal. WolfCoaching bro. 🔥

[@coonhound_pharoah]

@@sebastianbechpetersen858 Milo and Mike should have their credentials revoked because they don't know pounds are not kilograms.

[@hclyrics]

Milo is a complete joke. His misplaced confidence is the only thing that allows him to spread this unscientific dribble to the masses.

[@Flahtort]

You have too much feelings bro. Can tall it when you say about 1.5 kgs of meat.

[@dolphin007x]

Of course the 1.5kg is an exaggeration but this regression is massively flawed. Everyone should watch Menno's takedown of this study. Mike and Milo are, as much as I hate to admit it, descending into the same category all fitness influencers, except a select few, eventually end up as : dishonest fearmongerers

[@sebastianbechpetersen858]

@@dolphin007x The crazy thing is that its not even an exaggeration. Milo quite literally states that protein intake of up to 3g/kg/day might yield more growth. Im 203cm 110kg. So for me, about 1.5 kilos of ground beef+30-50g protein from carb sources etc. is what it would take for me to follow his recommendation. Also I would be in a hospital with rhabdo or acute spinal injury from doing 30 sets of squats and 30 sets of RDLs per week most likely. The guy is amazing😅

[@johnnykarate_SweepLeg]

1.3g per lb ... this is still in the realm of what's been said before.

[@BrofUJu]

This is... an expensive amount of protein, lol.

[@Ligmaballin]

@@BrofUJu It's for best results. You can still slowly build mass if you eat a lot less like 0.8g per pound

[@cclark2021]

Is that a joke?

[@sensei_...]

​@@Ligmaballin0.8g vs 1.3g will still have exzremely small differences

[@tominieminen66]

​@BrofUJu Cottage cheese is quite cheap. At least the Finnish fresh cheese, which is like cottage cheese. Under 4€ per kilo, and around... 15g of protein in 100 grams? Closer to 20g if I remember right. Checked my digital receipt, 3,7€ per kg. No fats or carbs, only water and protein baby Edit: 14.8 grams of protein in 100 grams

[@1212zeek1212]

Include a link or some way to find the study in the description please.

[@ProfessaMeathead]

This could have been a KZbin short.

[@moog5260]

they get more revenue with long winded waffling

[@Dm3qXY]

...or and email

[@quban79]

literally this

[@RenaissancePeriodization]

Should we put temple run on the bottom half?

[@Deeplycloseted435]

As a science person, who has worked in and participated in science, I really appreciate how science-y people are now regarding lifting and diet. HOWEVER…..you guys really need to stop freaking out every time one study comes out with something new. One study is WHATEVER. If they present some new data, so what? It is to be looked at, scrutinized, and if interesting enough…..replicated under controlled and hopefully better conditions. We all don’t need to change our workouts and diets every time something new is presented. New findings are great, but then science needs to do what it does, by teasing out the BS, with study after study, after study. The thing with FROM vs partials recently…..ridiculous!!! Nippard does one little study and we’re supposed to shift away from FROM???? Hell no! It’s interesting, but let’s see if it can be repeated, with different types of lifters, with different exercises, different study designs, and much larger sample sizes. Science, by nature is conservative. It has to be. It takes time. We’re not building the atomic bomb. There is no pressure to get all the answers today. One study with new and interesting data, is just a nudge in the direction of future studies. Calm down.

[@DanJanucik]

mmmmm it's a meta-analysis, not a single study

[@Leon-yp9yw]

its crazy to say 'as a science person', and then have no idea how a meta-analysis works

[@olihargrave7366]

Did this ‘science person’ just cherry pick?

[@l0rd0f0xygen]

​@@Leon-yp9ywI mean is it a meta analysis? They didn't cite any sources for this discussion. Pretty poor scientific communication, even if it's mentioned in the video that it's a meta analysis. A charitable view of this "science person" is that they haven't seen the paper so they are assuming and missed that in the video. They drew conclusions based on a frustrating trend in the lifting science influencer sphere (1 study came out, forget everything you ever knew!!). A less charitable view is that this is some undergraduate sophomore who doesn't know their ass from their head. It's probably that one.

[@kovatembel]

@@DanJanucik sure it's much stronger and robust than a single study, but still it's kinda like a single data point in terms of the data analysis (from glimpsing over the paper, it looks like they're amalgamating data together from all the reviewed papers and do their own fit, which seems like a non-trivial task) and single research group involved (i.e., possibility of human errors in the analysis). Some folks below in the comments are also criticizing a few points in this study. So still OP's point still holds that the consensus should change conservatively to limit the noise. Though it's also a danger that consensus is taken for granted, like Milo points out in the video that everybody just cite the 2018 paper and consider protein intake a solved problem, so it's good that it's again up for discussion.

[@Kitten_Party]

Didn’t the same researchers do a more recent analysis that basically refutes this?

[@supimsatan]

Yeah think so, it's on Menno Henselmans channel if im not mistaken.

[@akbarnaqvi4737]

That analysis was related to strength not hypertrophy, but the previous analysis technically wasn't hypertrophy either, it was lean body mass. Basically ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Xplora213]

There is no refutation, only evidence. It’s valuable to have as much evidence as possible. If I can avoid 1.2g per pound, then I will. That’s thousands of dollars. Literally.

[@hclyrics]

No, the same exact study refutes their claims. The study they're citing does not reach the same conclusions they do.

[@thewitchhh_]

+

[@rolandantoniogeldres8960]

0:33 “WW2 was just giant misunderstanding” well that is a GIANT understatement

[@DjDolHaus86]

WW1 was a giant misunderstanding, WW2 was the result of the misunderstanding not being addressed to the satisfaction of all parties

[@canesugar911]

Mis

[@monte4018]

Another high level podcast for free! I’ve never watched one of your videos and felt like I wasted my time. Graduate level knowledge transfer here folks.

[@TiwsDay]

'We were all wrong' - Mike @2:00 'I've sited 1.3 per pound based on Helms from back in the day.' 15 minutes later - 'so the new recommendation is 1.3 per pound' 🤔

[@Flahtort]

But it is per pound of lean body mass, not per pound of bodyweight, and also in specific condition for bodybuilder before show. It's different then 1.3 for maximizing growth

[@TiwsDay]

@@Flahtort If you think that the difference between growth and not growth is 0.3 per pound over and above all the other mistakes and variables an average guy makes you're delusional. Yes this is a change in the science, but its not quite as earth shattering as the vid suggests. Just the variation in scoops of an average user alone has more variation than whats being discussed. Today my 2nd scoop was dead level, tomorrow its a bit heaped, the next day I was feeling frisky and added a little bit extra, the day after I emptied the contents cause there was only a bit left in the bottom of the tub and it looked like 2 scoops maybe. I'm not saying the science hasnt been progressed, I'm saying it doesnt matter and its being over sold here.

[@quban79]

@@TiwsDay literally the definition of talking for the sake of talking..wild stuff. Smh

[@calebm6818]

The rest of the quote is “back on the day, but that was very unlikely to be true”.

[@Hailsatan13]

@@Flahtort but it’s not, it’s ~0.7g protein/lbs of body weight according to the research they are citing. They are misspeaking and conflating kg with lbs

[@dylanguerrette3056]

3 million subs wooo keep it up RP!!

[@chatGPT7]

Bro howtf u get that badge?

[@MpMan-w5d]

​@@chatGPT7 he must be a member

[@Sgt.Leonardo]

My silly question (I apologize ahead of time for my lack of knowledge) is what about on your days of rest? I workout and then cardio the next day. Alternating. How much should I take on those "less active" days?

[@AlexanderMoen]

Eh, click bait title? I thought this was more or less known that 1g/lb to 1.3 was diminishing returns and maybe only for people focusing specifically on hypertrophy/body building, and closer to 0.75g/lb for "regular" people, and ~1g for fit folks. Then, adjust upwards for older people who are less efficient processing protein, and adjust downward for obese people and start looking closer to lean body weight/ideal body weight instead

[@HeadCannonPrime]

I have to Disagree with Mike about the cost of protein as its coming down to the old "If you didn't go to Starbucks everyday you would be a millionaire" trope. Sure if you don't go to the club, or the beach, or the pool parties you can have money for protein. BUT why TF are you getting jacked in the first place? To look good at the club, the beach, the pool party! You don't have to be an IFBB pro to be fit and healthy and wear your pump covers to the grocery store. You want to show that shit off right! So yeah as a factor of your overall spending, protein is not like a car payment or rent. But the difference between a 50g/day diet and 200g/day diet is ABSOLUTELY going to add up. At roughly .033/gram at the absolute CHEAPEST whey isolate (and frankly dogshit tasting), that would be about $5/day more MINIMUM. Putting total cost to $1,825/year. My last week at the beach cost less than that! Another way of looking at it is someone making 50k/year would be spending 3.65% MORE on food than a non-bodybuilder. That's not nothing.

[@JoaoPedroAMatos]

Great video, as always. Can you guys link the DOI to the papers?

[@seattlegrrlie]

Absolutely everyone should stop saying "grams per pound" right now. All scientific studies are g/kg. Then bros start talking about per pound. If you are going to calculate your daily target gram intake, just do the conversation. 180lb dude is 80kg. That's 128g of protein a day at 1.6g/kg.

[@richardhaselwood9478]

Jesus, please, yes. Fuck me I hate Imperial units....

[@6joesixpack]

I was skeptical of this video then I read the comments and I’m glad I’m not the only one. I also don’t understand the assumption that people underreport the protein intake. My experience in research is limited to some time in grad school (I am a clinician myself) but I feel like subjects in these studies are more likely to overreport protein intake e.g. lifting bros in university saying they’re hitting their meals for the study but really missing

[@DiscoingGD1989]

I think an important note is that if you're a 240 lb fat guy who eats in excess for example, you don't have to get anywhere near that level of protein to see strength gains and muscle growth. I'd be surprised if I was averaging .5g/total bodyweight/day. Of course, I'm planning to cut soon and I'll be upping it for good measure. I do get a variety though; A typical day: 20g of soy protein in my daily Soylent coffee drink, 20g of milk/whey protein from my Quest bar, ~30g from my beef jerky, then the rest from whatever meat, dairy, and nut products I consume.

[@combatcritique]

Nah I'm still taking 1.6g/ kg bw as jeff nippar suggested

[@wrightsolution]

Yea man. People just over simplify things. 1.6-1.8g per kg works for me

[@aKjohn8798]

Yaaaa, lets not let the influencer manlett give advice

[@hipdrive]

​@@aKjohn8798which one mike or Jeff

[@bennynuts7494]

right until jeff comes with 1.4 the look on all yo faces when that happens, no money can buy 😂

[@kaid2316]

@@aKjohn8798what is your actual argument against him?

[@gueritodrew]

Hi Dr. Mike, I'm an ovo-lacto vegetarian. Nice to meet you. I know you don't have a lot of friends, so I think the three you know (16:50) is a large percentage of you friends. 😁🤣

[@charlyf9980]

is it per pound or pound of lean body mass ? cause im at 240 but im beginner lifter so i have few muscle and much fat so that would be like 300g of prot per day for me which is hard stuff in my body

[@gavinfuchs]

In metric units: ~2,866 g/kg - 3g/kg

[@balancer182]

That is a huge amount of protein, won't it harm kidneys?

[@gavinfuchs]

@balancer182 we're talking about muscle gain per g/kg, this is not feasable if you are on a cut. But bulking with 5000+ kcal it's not that much anymore ...

[@balancer182]

@@gavinfuchs Oh sorry I'm a lightweight! I'm only at 2000 kcal lol.

[@perserverance333]

I'm not a body builder, so all I need is about 100 to 130 grams of protein daily, at 180 pounds.

[@hughmungus726]

I eat 350grams at 175 pounds

[@hipdrive]

​@@hughmungus726 pooping money

[@rickfinn4834]

Mike, PLEASE help me understand, I only have an undergrad in Metabolic Biology/Biochemistry but 1.3g/lb (excuse the imperial units) for me (@200 lbs) would have me ingest 260g of protein daily. Broken up even into 6 meals would be ~43g/meal! I was taught that we can metabolize ~25g effectively for hypertrophy while excess would be used as energy or waste (an yes, I'm excluding types of proteins, absorption rates, co-factors in dietary metabolism, etc.) So even if I could afford it, how realistically would I be able to anabolicically metabolize it? Also, even tbe most comprehensive and scientifically perfect meta-analysis aside, can we state this to be fact, unequivocally off of one study? BTW, hands-down your the best, un-biased, fact based scientific and kinesiology accurate on any social media platform!!

[@M0stlym3answ3ll]

My sleep is immaculate (8 solid hours). My diet is on point. My training is really good. I am 185lbs 5’10” and lean. My friend and I both want to be strong on bench press. This guy is 160lbs and probably 5’8”. He eats whatever, he has two kids and full time job, so sleeps maybe 5 hours, drinks and doesn’t really do much in the way of trying to adjust life for his gym time. We are the same age. He benches 225lbs for 8 and I can barely eke out 225 3-4 times. I am not weak, but he is just weirdly strong. If you were to put us next to eachother, you would never believe that he is so much stronger than I am. The only science I believe in for lifting, at this point, is the “whatever works for you.” method.

[@mvonwalter6927]

Genetics deal us some stupid cards sometimes. Although I sometimes think parents have an especially high pain tolerance.

[@M0stlym3answ3ll]

@ Dude, I got super lucky in the genetic department too. Even when I was an alcoholic drug addict, people asked me where I worked out (never could have forced me into a gym at that point in time). This guy doesn’t look strong either, he’s just a beast. Also, true that to parenthood, I absolutely attribute at least 25% of his savagery to “dad strength”. I guess I am still working with “single dude with no prospects for being a dad weakness.” 🤣

[@user-lf7de4wm2o]

Dr Mike, please sit comfortably. 3:53

[@milanfox9198]

bro is ready to jump

[@mike-lyon]

He’s So stressed

[@jamesiepoo23]

😂😂

[@AscendedWalrus]

Really need these studies done on enhanced people next

[@naoramedi5256]

Another important question...should you weigh you protein raw or cooked?

[@reeltwig2929]

Everything is measured raw, if you cook identical steaks 5 min vs 15 min they’ll weigh different due to juices evaporating

[@naoramedi5256]

@reeltwig2929 so lets say you buy a 100g steak and after cooking ita 70g steak how much proteinn did you get? Like a 100g or 70g?

[@Crumbling]

​@@naoramedi5256 what changes with cooking is the water and some fat content, the protein stays the same. A 100g steak will have roughly 20g of protein, and it will still have 20g after you cook it.

[@retomeili6690]

re vegan vs. plant-based: plant-based is the better term, because vegans will tell you that veganism is not confined to food, but also to all kinds of other lifestyle choices. also, you got those discussion whether honey is vegan or figs are vegan etc. in this respect, plant-based is actually the less politicized term to use

[@Sam-fe4tf]

I appreciate the inclusion of considerations for vegans in these discussions. I am vegan and plant-based is not something that vegans use to describe themselves, maybe vegetarians but it's mostly a marketing word that has no clear definition.

[@JeffSkibz]

A whole lot of yapping for what seems like no change in the recommendation, to ignore the recommendation and eat all the damn protein .

[@mohf5]

It's just one interpretation to one paper, try not to panic😂

[@JohnSmith-ch9lp]

The Tagawa and colleagues research result show 1.5g per Kilo and not per pound? Have I missed something or is the video just massively mixed up and wrong?Conclusion: Concurrent use of resistance training is essential for protein supplementation to improve muscle strength. This study indicates that 1.5 g/kg BW/d may be the most appropriate amount of total protein intake for maintaining and augmenting muscle strength along with resistance training.

[@martinlong8739]

Exactly this ⬆️

[@grenmoyo3968]

The difference is in nuance with plant based verses vegan. Veganism is an ethical code of morals whose diet is a consequence of said ethics. "Plant-based" is just not eatting animal products. Many plant based people wear things like wool or use products that have been tested on animals, all of which are a no-go for vegans. Plant based diet is vegan-like and all vegans eat a plant based diet but not all plant based eatters are vegan.

[@roguecode2354]

need to double up on the tuna shakes

[@FightingForLaughs]

Sickening gains lol

[@GOATMENTATOR]

be careful with the mercury

[@Jose-Guerrero-1754]

From the wisdom of Mike Mentzer: Let’s address the misconceptions in this video with a rational approach rooted in physiology and logic-a hallmark of my philosophy. First, muscle tissue is not primarily protein; it’s almost entirely water-about 70% water, to be precise. This fact highlights why carbohydrates, not protein, are the most critical macronutrient for building muscle. Carbohydrates are essential for glycogen production, and glycogen not only fuels your workouts but also attracts and retains water within muscle cells, creating the fullness and size we associate with hypertrophy. Protein, while essential for repair, plays a secondary role here. Without sufficient glycogen from carbohydrates, you cannot fully hydrate your muscles or support maximum growth. Furthermore, carbohydrates are protein-sparing. When your diet supplies adequate carbs, the body doesn’t need to rely on protein as an energy source. This allows protein to fulfill its primary role: rebuilding and repairing muscle tissue. When you consume excessive protein while neglecting carbohydrates, you’re effectively burning protein as fuel-an inefficient and counterproductive process. The energy you need to perform should come from the food you eat, not the protein already stored in your muscles. This brings me to another critical point: bodybuilding is not an aerobic activity; it’s anaerobic. High-intensity, short-duration resistance training doesn’t burn through your glycogen stores in the same way aerobic activities like running or cycling do. Therefore, the nutritional needs of a bodybuilder are entirely different. The emphasis should be on providing your body with the fuel-mainly carbs-to perform intensely and recover effectively. Excess protein contributes nothing to this process; it simply becomes expensive glucose or is stored as fat. Now, let’s discuss hydration. Muscle is primarily water, yet the fitness industry rarely emphasizes the importance of drinking enough water. Why? Because they can’t sell you water in the mail. Instead, they market overpriced protein powders and supplements, creating the illusion that protein is the key to muscle growth. This is absurd. Without adequate hydration, your muscles cannot function optimally, regardless of how much protein you consume. Drink plenty of water, eat a balanced diet with sufficient carbs, and watch your body respond as nature intended. Finally, let’s dispel the myth that eating more protein equals more muscle. The fitness industry thrives on selling products, not on educating you. Muscle growth comes from a rational training and recovery strategy supported by a diet that provides just enough of what your body needs to repair and grow. I advocated for a caloric surplus of 300-600 calories above maintenance, with a macro split of 60% carbs, 25% protein, and 15% fat-not because it was trendy but because it is what works. The human body doesn’t thrive on extremes; it thrives on balance and logic. In closing, remember this: bodybuilding is about efficiency and discipline, not consuming as much as possible. Train intensely, recover fully, and fuel your body intelligently. Overcomplicating nutrition with unnecessary protein intake or gimmicks will only distract you from what truly matters: achieving your goals with reason, logic, and dedication.

[@umakegoodcookies]

Please put links, or even at least the full reference, to the papers referred to in the video info when you do videos that cite primary research.

[@ericswires8534]

How do guys in prison get so jacked eating just prison food? Serious question.

[@nottomclancy2439]

Steroids, bro. Prisoners have all kinds of shit in there.

[@deanschanzenbach7506]

@@nottomclancy2439 I did close to 10 years in prison. No one is getting steroids in there LMAO.

[@KamilNesa]

​@@nottomclancy2439 Training 7 days per week for years with lots of rest of also great for muscle growth

[@oliver7681]

Powerlifting callisthenics during yard time & canteen; peanut butter,tuna, milk oats & other foods. Also working out in their pads when locked

[@Gojirian]

Those guys were probably jacked before they got in prison

[@elayneangel8323]

This is one of my all-time favorite channels. Your information is absolutely outstanding, and your sense of humor delights me. Thank you for being you and for all that you do. Given that many bodybuilders eat heavily animal-based diets, as a vegan, I really appreciate the support you have given to veganism in a number of your videos. I feel like that is essentially what you were doing in this video. But there IS a reason we sometimes use the term "plant-based" to separate those who simply eat lots of (or exclusively) plants but do not engage in the other vegan lifestyle aspects. True vegans take a strong ethical stance against all animal use and abuse, so we do not wear leather or wool or use personal care products that contain animal-derived ingredients. We do not visit zoos, circuses, or other places where animals are abused or used for human entertainment. I agree that "plant-based" isn't a particularly illuminating term. Therefore, "vegan," "vegetarian," and "plant-forward" are 3 terms that are (to me) distinct and useful in describing 3 different things. Thanks again!

[@BIGGlep]

Dr. Wolf mentions the wrong study year. "Dose-response relationship between protein intake and muscle mass increase: a systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials" - 2020 Figure 2, graph h. Here are exact numbers I took from the study by counting the pixels in paint and graphing in excel: g/kgBW kg FFM gained 1 0.65 1.5 0.99 2 1.2 2.5 1.43 3 1.59 As you can see, going from 1 to 2g/KG gives a 85% increase in FFM gain, while 2 to 3 gives 33%, which is when you consider that is only a 50% increase in protein intake, is 33%/50%/85%= 77% as effective as the previous protein consumed.

[@jessikagriffin9731]

The "New recommendation" sounds exactly like every recommendation I've ever heard?

[@Swanson-hs5df]

Because it is, there are a lot of issues with this meta analysis anyway - it's unironically bad. Just follow the study by Morton et al and adhere to previous guidelines (1.6-2.2 g/kg).

[@PeaceAshjte]

Collab with some hollywood stars and train with them!! Like John Cena, or Terry Crews, Mark Wahlberg .... That would be dope content fam!! 😅😅

[@quinnmannen]

We all know those Hollywood trainers are on another level

[@scgenton]

The secret is steroids.

[@Kaarajann]

I love videos with you two, always super interesting

[@Kounteron]

holy fuck this is embarassing. Stop treating one most recent study as definitive proof you need a million grams of protein. Hasn't Milo "Lengthened Partials" Wolf learned his lesson yet?

[@stark5353]

I'm starting to see that Milo has a tendency to jump on early studies to quickly and over-extrapolate the results into generalized recommendations. I can't blame him though, in this space you need to look like you're innovating or have the "secret sauce" in order to keep your followers' attention.

[@Kounteron]

@@stark5353 I CAN blame him. And you SHOULD blame him. Stop following that bullshit and that's it

[@slee2695]

The lengthened portion is still the most important..if lengthened partials and full range give the same results then it's the lengthened portion that matters...derp

[@solitary200]

Add the papers in the description ffs

[@jtcustomknives]

When can we expect to see a change to the RP diat app with an option to change g/lb of protein in the settings.

[@raer5373]

1/1.3 g. per pound. Hate videos where they get to the point only near the end of a 17min vid

[@PotHead98]

I eat 1kg of protein per percentage of body fat.

[@michaellynn9763]

0.33 baby!

[@aaronh8095]

Okay but at what point does too high of protein intake consistently per day start to negatively affect kidney function?

[@migliore44]

Guys watch mennos latest video about protein

[@lylemcdonaldisright]

Remember folks that the Inverse Israetel Rule always holds: Whatever Mike says is either wrong or exactly the opposite of true. Here's 3 hours of me proving it with Solomon Nelson kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGLIfaSYhrV2sJI Holds for Milo, too.

[@fraai]

grab the popcorn

[@slee2695]

Does lyle even lift?

[@OneEyedJackNLD]

6:28 Start 11:28 2 recommendations: 12:05 0,8 gram p pound 13:42 1 to 1,3 grams p pound (keep adjusting!)

[@hamudi4841]

The Meta is out since 2022 I believe? And you come up now? Clearly just a new way of getting attention and views.

[@MellonVegan]

2018. 2022 was the same authors debunking their own findings from 2018 ^^ They're freaking out over sth that has been debunked by the original authors themselves. Grain of salt: haven't read either analysis myself *yet*, which we should probably all go and do now.

[@hamudi4841]

@@MellonVegan yeah, you mean the study that showed max strength gains at 1.5g/kg bodyweight right?

[@XxIsmaelxX4510]

260G of protein is too much fam.

[@thecinimod]

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[@xkidmidnightx]

Bros were right again, as usual.

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