Wedding night of Joseph II & Maria Josepha of Bavaria (Maria Theresia s03e01)

[@zehraveotesi8247]

The real Joseph probably spent his wedding day and wedding night seeing Isabella everywhere he looked.

[@danielvanr.8681]

Seems to me, from this scene, that he spent most of the wedding night rolling around with his mistress instead....

[@Idocharthistories]

Poor Josepha, she didn’t deserve this :(

[@karoltomis5704]

It is due to a very bad relationship between Austria and Bavaria in 18th Century.

[@Lily1127channel]

It is more due to the fact that he was still and always devoted to his deceased first wife.

[@Butterflypegasus40]

Josepha shouldn't have been made to marry someone who doesn't know or love her.

[@Die_Frau]

А не надо было под каре стричься!

[@danielvanr.8681]

In another episode, Joseph claims to have syphilis and thus unwilling to inflict it upon Josepha. However, here it is clearly implied that he's been rolling in the proverbial hay with his mistress. So either he doesn't care whether his mistress catches it, or he caught it at a later stage. Or it was just a bogus explanation when his mother confronted him about the unconsummated marriage. But either way, he handled the whole wedding night in the clumsiest way possible. Ok, so he wasn't in love with Josepha and was thus not attracted to her. Fair enough, I suppose. But he could've snuggled up to her, gently explained the situation and offered that they get to know each other first. And who knows; maybe mutual love would've come along, maybe it wouldn't have. But regardless of outcome, it'd still have been a much more decent strategy than the one he chose. He didn't even have the decency to smile and show appreciation when at the wedding he lifted her veil. Poor girl... 😢 (And if real-life Josepha looked like the actress Tereza Marečková, "Joey" would've been one lucky fella...) 😢

[@hakimnazir6998]

This second wife better than first wife, Josepha so lovely and warm

[@MarinaKaFai]

Poor poor Josepha! And poor Joseph too.

[@sectorgovernor]

So for him it wasn't ok to be with his second wife but it was ok to use prostitutes... If he really was still in love with his first wife why didn't he just choose celibacy .. He reminds me of Suleiman in Magnificent Century. He neglected Mahidevran because of Hürrem, but he cheated Hürrem with others...Maybe Mahidevran wouldn't have been so depressed if Suleiman wouldn't neglect her completely

[@Lily1127channel]

Yeah, unfortunately it depicts the typical behavior back then: they saw wives as humans (well, sort of), and they saw prostitutes as objects, not humans ☹️

[@Die_Frau]

Потому что баба, стриженая под каре, вызывает отвращение.

[@Die_Frau]

Что до Махидевран - Сулейман ей придумал такое наказание за отравление Хуррем.

[@pettitlion2566]

Oh i was waiting for Maria Theresia series!! Thank you!!

[@queenieofdarkness]

You will be treated with all honors? I will always respect you? Boyo, you didn’t even attend her funeral! How shitty is that?

[@christopherhall3894]

REALLY SH____!!!

[@ruthbennett2019]

It was the convention at the time in royal circles not to attend the funeral of spouses, parents & children.

[@queenieofdarkness]

@@ruthbennett2019 do you have a source for this? While I seem to remember some royals who did not attend funerals of their spouces I don't remember ever reading that it was a custom.

[@roflcopterIII]

​@@ruthbennett2019 he also didn't visit her on her actual deathbed while maria Theresa, his mother, did and even caught smallpox for her trouble. Joseph just sucked. Please provide a source stating not attending the funeral was the norm because his article on Wikipedia suggests he just didn't care for her much otherwise.

[@rudrapatra1804]

@@roflcopterIII its not a custom all attended funerals ,joseph is a very cold man in this series but begins to change at end seeing how he misjudged everyone and everything

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Thanks For this lili! Love your content ❤❤❤

[@jahirareyes1102]

Why does Maria Josepha of Bavaria hairstyle look so inaccurate, why is her hair cut shorter for?

[@KyngofJewel]

That's the real hair. The white wig she previously wore during their marriage is probably the one you're looking for.

[@jahirareyes1102]

@@KyngofJewel i see ,but even so her hair wouldn't be cut so short most likley.

[@Lily1127channel]

Yeah it looks such an unlikely modern haircut. Even if a woman did not have good and strong hair back then, and she could not grow it very long, she would not have such short hair, and especially not bangs.

[@wildsquirrelswildsquirrel7286]

Plus the fact that they had a lice problem. So short hair being the norm & the wigs was for display in public & private attendance.

[@Lily1127channel]

@@wildsquirrelswildsquirrel7286 Women did not have such short hair under the wigs. But even if the short hair is plausible, her bangs aren't. That would be most unpractical for wigs especially.

[@jasminealex7212]

I’ll give him credit for this..at least he was honest with her

[@Lessareve]

That is harsh, even for Joseph's standards.

[@Butterflypegasus40]

His coldness and neglect made her more timid and depressive which made warming up to each other impossible. The failure of the marriage was solely his fault.

[@blinkvip6371]

2:06 Who is she did she affairs with Joseph II

[@Lily1127channel]

She is a prostitute

[@sebastianazocar2368]

Well well, well, looks like the series shows that Joseph had a mistress during his marriage with Josepha. In reality, he didn’t have any mistress.

[@Lily1127channel]

He notoriously visited brothels and prostitutes during his second marriage, although he did not have one specific mistress.

[@sebastianazocar2368]

@@Lily1127channel Wow, I didn’t know that fact in Joseph II’s life, I thought in the first place that Joseph didn’t do anything notorious during his marriage with Josepha, but visiting brothels and having relationships with hookers to getting a little bit better of his pain, but he didn’t ever take Isabella out of his mind.

[@sebastianazocar2368]

The only one to have mistresses was Leopold II, in fact this is year 1765 and he’s already betrothed to Maria Luisa of Spain, but he had at least two mistresses during his marriage, an English one and an Italian ballerina called Livia Raimondi.

[@Lily1127channel]

Yes, Joseph did not have specific mistresses we know by name, while Leopold had many. Joseph was rather a brothel visitor. His excursions in the ill-reputed parts of Vienna were well-known back then. There is also an inscription, still visible today, on the entrance to a house on the Spittelberg in Vienna, then the centre of the city’s red light district: ‘Durch dieses Thor im Bogen, kam Kaiser Josef II. geflogen’ (‘Emperor Joseph II came flying through this archway’)

[@Wenchework]

What meny do not realise is that marrige back then was not about being inlove but about power money and allianses as well as the right to pick the right word for it breeding stock hense most married cuple were cordual or friendly at best very rare was it or did become love,this is also excepted men had mistresses however the woman could not as she was one carrying children and it had to be completly her husbands

[@Lily1127channel]

Yeah, although a man spending his wedding night with a prostitute instead of his bride was still exceptionally low and rare. And the biggest problem with Joseph's behavior in his second marriage was not (just) the adultery but that he did not even try to father children with her, so poor woman could not even fulfill her only job, which was very humiliating for her. She lived in constant depression after marrying him.

[@oren1305]

Many of us who enjoy period piece dramas understand this; but it was bad form and against royal customs to completely sexually ignore your wife. Men could have mistresses, yes, but if you didn't produce any heirs with your wife, you could expect a talking to. Which Joseph gets from his mother. Even Henry VIII did not usually stray from his wives unless they were with child. In _The Serpent Queen_ Catherine and Henri are instructed on how to properly have sex so that Catherine can get pregnant. No use in mistresses unless you were going to make the illegitimate children your heirs. Even the Catholic doctrine at the time stated that, "a wife could call her husband to her bed", just as men could if he wasn't doing his duty.

[@rokvelic2945]

Well to be honest most of historical arranged marriages where far more sucessful and happier than marriages today.

[@Lily1127channel]

@@rokvelic2945 There is no historical evidence that would prove that. Happiness is not something that can be measured precisely and compared between ages. We don't know the details of most historical arranged marriages. We know of a few loving ones, we know of some unhappy ones, we know of countless unfaithful husbands. And then there are probably >90% of the marriages we know nothing of, other than that they married, had X children, and then died. We don't know how much they loved or hated each other beside that. We know they didn't divorce, but it wasn't even possible to divorce. So just because they lived their whole lives together, since they could not do anything else, is no proof that there were more successful or happy marriages than today when it is possible to divorce if you want to. Of course you don't divorce when you can't divorce. Arranged marriages were not better and are NOT better than love based marriages. That is barbaric.

[@Jelena2022]

I dont understand why they're hating ona amn ? he clearly thinks she's ugly....why should he be forced to ? he has rights too !

[@Lily1127channel]

He has duties too, not just rights. It is an arranged marriage, in which as much as it is a wife's duty to have sex with her husband and give him children, and she cannot really say no no matter how ugly he is, the husband has the same duty. And it is always better to be kind to someone than to be rude when she did absolutely nothing wrong and didn't do anything to deserve that rudeness.

[@thatgirl3960]

I wouldn’t want to share her bed either 😅

[@thatgirl3960]

@@Lily1127channelhe is not aroused by her!

[@vierkapastorcikova8337]

Úbohá Josefa, bola obeťou politiky a bezcitneho chlapa, ktorý bol posadnutý spomienkou na mŕtvu ženu. Pritom ho Isabella nikdy nemilovala, to manželstvo bolo pre ňu len trápenie.

[@RisumiesEdits]

Now I just feel bad

[@KitNCatCleo]

Poor sweet girl 😢 What a nasty piece of business Gals we are so lucky to be in this time and not that one!!!!

[@girlishow88]

花嫁がかわいそう😢😢😢ヨーゼフ嫌い

[@GabrielaGARAYREYES]

😢😢😢why didn't u give Joseph a special x drink😮😮

[@Die_Frau]

Шооо? 😂 Стриженая баба в 18 веке?! 😂

[@emmaandersson5792]

He can try to spend time whit her🫤

[@Butterflypegasus40]

The portrait I saw of her on Wikipedia shows an attractive woman so either Joseph ii was blind or stupidly stubborn over his idealism of his first wife.

[@danielvanr.8681]

Indeed. He handled it like a complete prat. He could've laid next to her and calmly explained that he was still infatuated with his first wife and still coming to terms with her demise. Then he could've put his arm around Josepha and offered that they spend time together and really get to know each other. Maybe he'd grow fond of her, including in a romantic way, maybe not. But still a better and respectful course than the one he chose. Translated to 2024 parlance, he basically told her, _"Yeah, toots, you're a freak and I couldn't poke you with all the Viagra in the world."_ 😢😢

[@lorivingot5495]

Awwww.