Week 14 Update- Elizabeth Holmes/ Theranos Trial Update- Lawyer Reacts

[@greg4367]

Either she goes to jail for a very long time or the government should never prosecute another fraud case. Nor should she be the last of a number of her fellow conspirators who need to be put away, not JUST to punish them, but also, and significantly, to provide the example to other potential fraudsters of just what (should) await them.

[@NoNonsense59]

I think she will end up going to jail. The question(for me) is for how long? How sympathetic will the jury be with her fake ‘tears’ and status as a new mother… We soon shall find out.

[@arthurtreibs4174]

@@NoNonsense59 Juries don't set sentences, judges do! Having children does NOT automatically reduce the length of incarceration.

[@NoNonsense59]

@@arthurtreibs4174 I see no reason for your exclamation marks. Thanks for the information. You are likely right and… since it’s Christmas season, try to chill and why not… be a little more courteous.

[@Breakbeats92.5]

Remember, it only takes one juror to sympathize with Holmes and she is off the hook.

[@FC-hj9ub]

There are many other companies including apple who faked their way through silicon Valley. It's very fashionable if anything getting prosecuted makes you more famous. Even when she gets sentenced she won't serve jail time.

[@chiaratantillo7538]

You are missing the best part. When she admitted to being in a relationship with another man for 5 years (when she was living with Sonny in the Palo Alto mansion) so basically she was cheating on Sonny. Yet she testified and claims Sonny was abusive and controlling.

[@FC-hj9ub]

It's not unusual on abusive relationships. Anyway, even if it is true, doesn't matter if she is or isn't, she is still guilty and so is he.

[@pblaschke]

How could I have missed that juicy tib-bit of information! That just proves yet again that she is a very dishonest person

[@PrometheanRising]

Wow. Where was that reported? Definitely fits the general pattern of using men(people really) to get what she wants.

[@nataliegaron9900]

I must have missed that piece of info? I listen & read everything on this subject…..

[@alestbest]

but of course you can pull off a huge fraud, cheat a partner for years, but you can't leave him because he is abusive. Yes of course

[@GearheadDaily]

She needs to serve prison time for knowingly hurting patients.

[@KitJBenn]

I dreamt of her the other night (not one of those dreams! Okay?) She was running a similar businesses in China and she got caught with both hands in the cash register!! She was arrested and went to court. It was over in three days! No camera's!! They put her before a firing squad without parole. It was a very fair system! She the option of wearing a hood or not! She went for black! The next thing you know!! I wake up at an anti-fraud street party!! Those Chinese know how to party.

[@Itdontmatter69]

Absolutely

[@susancorgi]

Wake me up when she's in jail lol. I can't believe it's been dragging for this long. Thanks for they detail update as always :)

[@ddmarty]

Why doesn't the judge just say "If your phone goes off, you must leave and not come back in" or "If your phone goes off you will be held in contempt and serve a day in jail"?

[@MadMaxx63]

I can’t figure that out either… What’s even worse, is who is stupid enough to not turn their phone off before going into a court room?

[@johnc2438]

... and simply do it to the next person, to set and example! And add a $1000 fine, too (would buy a nice phone!).

[@ddmarty]

@@johnc2438 I still go for a day in jail. But yeah, $1,000 is a great idea.

[@sifridbassoon]

or if it goes off in the courtroom, the owner must approach the bench, turn off the phone and hand it to the judge who can place it on the edge of the railing around the judge's box. Once the session is over for the day, the owner can get the phone back. Just like in high school.

[@ddmarty]

@@sifridbassoon love it. Act like a child, get treated like a child.

[@PrometheanRising]

"My trade secret was that I was committing fraud."

[@ndiamond3405]

so true, lol

[@tazzinnc]

Just from her own testimony, she is so guilty of fraudulent practices.

[@emmanuelkofyagyapong6382]

Yeah, from the moment she broke down, it was plausible perhaps...

[@comdo831]

If the jury has any sense, she will be convicted. As the CEO, she is/was responsible and accountable for everything that went on inside the company. Even if there were people who influenced her or guided her in the wrong direction, she still has to take the rap. If she at least could claim that yes, she took investors' money but she plowed all of it into the company. But she took the money, and used it to finance a lavish lifestyle for herself and her boyfriend/partner in crime, and that's the most damming argument against her.

[@ak203]

Prosecution did a mediocre job, her lawyers are the best her boyfriend's family can buy. Makes a big difference in summation. The prosecutors is really a bit lifeless from what I've been told, so the odds are slightly in her favor.

[@comdo831]

@@ak203 She may walk away not guilty only if the jury is short on intellectual firepower, and buys this story of a good but naive girl who wants to heal the world, but evil powers conspire against her.

[@ak203]

@@comdo831 Since when do juries have intellectual firepower? These decisions are often based on emotional reaction to evidence and all she needs is one single vote to make it a hung jury. That would then require the feds to decide if they want to spend the money on a redo. No one can fully read a jury in a case like this, but the prosecution make inexplicable mistakes and she knew her stuff from extensive coaching so I think the odds are slightly in her favor.

[@DeanWuksta]

@@ak203 thats a worry, how is that justice, if they want to make a TV movie outta this, she has to go to prison.

[@scasey1960]

No - she bought the house based on her equity in the company.

[@starshiptrooper4506]

The trade secret is the machine does not work.

[@buffhuskies]

😂

[@JohnSmith-eo5sp]

Yep, that's the secret

[@networkbike543]

Spot on and it could never work.

[@peteolesen265]

I think she will be convicted, simply because the length of time that the fraud occurred over. Cheating people out of their money is one thing, but jeopardizing other people’s lives with incorrect or misleading blood tests is another. She was CEO of Theranos from the beginning, so playing the “I had no idea card” won’t work here.

[@arthurtreibs4174]

ABSOLUTELY CORRECTAMONDO, PETE. DROWNING PEOPLE WILL EVEN CLUTCH AT STRAWS, AH?

[@emmanuelkofyagyapong6382]

But she is still a woman I do not think she is going to jail even for a day, watch this play out as I said it now lol.

[@74132dave]

Just recently found your channel. Love your content - keep it coming!

[@LawyerYouKnow]

Glad you’re here!

[@clyderichardson6475]

Given her testimony, I think the defense will be wishing they had made a plea deal with the prosecution. Short of that, I predict a guilty verdict with a near maximum sentence. If this is not fraud, I am in the wrong business.

[@MrWokyman]

I don't get how the defence can say "the government should already have these documents". Surely the rule is that you have to disclose EVERYTHING to the prosecution. Presumably, nowhere does the rule state you don't have to disclose documents that you assume the prosecution already has?

[@eniszita7353]

The defense has no duty to disclose anything to the prosecution. Only information chosen to be introduced as evidence are shared, and then only when presented in court.

[@ellemred]

It's interesting to me that her response is "I was protecting trade secrets". If they didn't have a machine that worked, and was riddled with so many reliability flaws, what trade secret is there to hide? I feel like you should be able to keep your trade secrets, but it shouldn't entail misleading people into believing you are using those machines covered by trade secrets. The use of alternative methods or machines, not classified under trade secrets should be disclosed.

[@ak203]

That was part of the prosecutions incomprehensibly lame performance. She could have been eviscerated on that. She wasn't.

[@yourinnerlawyer4035]

She used trade secrets as a shield from being exposed as a fraudster.

[@yourinnerlawyer4035]

@@ak203 it is incredibly disappointing.

[@trailrunner925]

Ha, I just posted the same thing, then came across your post!

[@ericbuckland3938]

Covering up a fraud aint no trade secret.

[@leaf344]

Love the content from everyone, thank you! Guilty.

[@chiaratantillo7538]

I do enjoy your explanation because you help us understand the defense.

[@trailrunner925]

Wow, this girl just expects her misrepresentations not to be accepted carte blanche and never challenged, despite the fact she's on a witness stand.

[@nicholamc2629]

First they think you’re crazy, then they fight you, then all of a sudden you’re off to the People Pound 😂

[@chriswong3858]

Excellent video! If possible, could you discuss the range of punishments she could face if convicted please? Thank you!

[@sharonc1326]

She seems sociopathic to me. She needs to be held accountable.

[@PrometheanRising]

"I don't have to lie about the numbers, I just love to lie."

[@pblaschke]

Oh god, she's going to get off. The jury will only remember her on the stand and forget about all the prosecution's evidence against her. I hope the jury will see through her act and convict her for being the fraud that she really is.

[@emmanuelkofyagyapong6382]

Never gonna happen.

[@buffhuskies]

Also I know it’s completely irrelevant, but I’d love to see a prosecutor question her in Mandarin. Just to prove her entire story is nothing but hyperbole.

[@kristinej.4182]

She’s a narcissist! She is so guilty. If the jury doesn’t get this right, I would be so disappointed.

[@blasterman789]

Sonny has seen more bus under carriage than a manhole cover.

[@mmaranta785]

Huh?

[@Mary-hs3gu]

Theranos seems to follow so much of the Enron fraudulent actions. Her dad, of course, was a VP at Enron.

[@JohnSmith-eo5sp]

Her father was never charged with anything

[@CodeCharmer]

Didnt know that fact, have thought this whole thing is interesting cause nothing like this ever happens, banks and investment firms almost crashed our entire economy in 2008 over greed, no trials, no jail. Big or little investor - they were all greedy, they all wanted it to be true, once invested, the wanted others to believe too to keep the train going. nobody in all the years called BS? nobody investing fed her ego to continue going? if it is too unrealistic to believe, maybe, just maybe it really is? finally, a common sentury suitcase fire safe can hold a million dollars, how many do you have to bury to make a 1-to-20 year prison sentence worth it?

[@stuartmclaren2402]

I doubt if the Edison machine could do even 12 tests to the level of accuracy needed for an accurate and comprehensive diagnosis. Finger prick tests are usually indicative only but for diagnosis of a serious condition such as diabetes, requires a standard procedure with proper laboratory calibrated instruments and procedures from the blood draw to final interpretation and reporting.

[@johnc2438]

But could it make a phone call?

[@manchitas3531]

We can only hope this system will have the dignity to see through her baby blues and bring on a consequence instead of getting charmed up again..

[@sabbottart]

It makes no sense that ‘anyone’ is allowed in the courtroom but cameras are not.

[@trailrunner925]

I'm not clear. How does answering why she concealed using commercially available equipment jeopardize "trade secrets" regarding HER equipment, which was not in use. Two distinct machines.

[@robbrown205]

Looking forward to seeing her on Behind Bars

[@ericlarson63]

With Ghislane Maxwell!

[@rebarx812]

I'd rather she fade into total jailed obscurity and get no more attention.

[@KatJ3st]

Elizabeth wouldn't have got through a negotiation on Shark Tank

[@Inkling777]

The judge in this case has my sympathy. He's facing a high-profile case with aggressive lawyers on both sides. Every move he makes will get examined for years after in law school. He has to get it right.

[@katrb5537]

Appreciated the insight and analysis.

[@macwacha8415]

UGH sometimes juries don’t care if the defendant is a crook or not, they’ll go by sympathy for the devil, looks, age, privilege or other numbskull reasons. I hope the jury can see this woman was Ok with robbing rich ppl so she could live the high life.

[@sportsbadcalls334]

You're right in the Dan Markel murder for hire case Defendant Katie Magbanua got a hung jury because of one female juror who did not like the prosecutor mentioning that Katie got "breast-implants' possibly with the blood money. Why? Because Katie was from an ethnic background where artificial breasts are part of their culture, she mentioned in a interview that Mentour Lawyer did on YT with this Juror. This one juror ruined it for the State because there is clear and convincing evidence that Katie was the middle person between the people who hired the murderers and the hired killers. I figure this was as you say a numbskull reason.

[@robertstewart239]

Bear in mind that she didn't only rip off rich people. A lot of small time investors gave her money too. But her biggest crime was giving people bogus diagnoses. I get the whole fake it till you make it thing. When you invest in a technology start-up you are taking a big risk, but al lyou risk is money. But playing with people's health and lives to make an easy buck is not acceptable.

[@sportsbadcalls334]

Katie's new trial is on Valentine's Day 2/14/2022 -- I hope they have Jurors that listen to the evidence!

[@gabrielgonzales5907]

She wasn't just robbing rich people. She was putting regular people's health and lives at risk with her lies about her machines.

[@YAS-dn6xn]

fuck the jury system. This shouød judicial panel

[@darknight5688]

Watching from the UK I am shocked that a CEO can attempt to abdicate so much of her "DutyHoldership", I use that term as if this were the UK the CEO or Managing Director are ultimately culprible along with the CFO/FD or HSD if it involves Health and safety. There would be none of this wriggling as our law clearly lays out your responsibilities and accountabilities to be in a dutyholder position, the other question we would want satisfying is that of competence which would be based on her demonstration of formal training, attitude and experience. Also only bad CEO blames the accountant ie Belwani

[@MadMaxx63]

She is a typical Silicon Valley “fake it until you make it “person. I think she truly believed her machine was going to work at some point so she wasn’t worried about being “caught“. Since she had no scientific or biology background, she was too ignorant to think otherwise. In other words she probably thought if the other companies can make a machine like this… I can make it better and smaller without thinking the other companies would’ve had something like this already made if it could’ve been done. The problem is in healthcare you can’t fake it until you make it and it’s not acceptable to claim something works until it does work. It doesn’t matter who’s got away with this in the past including her hero Steve Jobs. I think she learned to become OK with her own lies and started to believe them because she thought her staff was going to have a working prototype before anyone discovered it wouldn’t work. She will be found guilty on 1/3 of the fraud charges, be sentenced to four years in prison which will be a country club and will be out in 18 months on good behavior.

[@aldrigforsent8862]

This narrative that all of Silicon Valley is based on ‘fake it until you make it’ is so erroneous. I’ve worked for several tech start ups backed either by angel investment or venture capital. Never have we had the luxury of faking anything, and we are expected to deliver to specification and on time every time.

[@bees5461]

Fake it till you make it is fine with software. This was a MEDICAL TESTING COMPANY. Full stop.

[@oliviaeff4154]

I think she will be convicted. All of the emotional stuff related to Sunny Balwani that the defense tried to bring in may be true, but it definitely does not excuse her for the years upon years of fraud. Plus it seemed like they might have even gone too far with that. I also think her memory lapses are way too convenient and make her seem disingenuous. The governments case looks good to me so far. I really hope the jury sees it the same way.

[@buffhuskies]

Yea she has all these vivid memories when her team questions her, but when it’s the prosecution, she “doesn’t think so,” or “can’t remember.” Maybe a couple times this works on a jury, but I would hope they’d be able to see through this when it’s nearly every single question.

[@grumpykat2909]

It's time for Holmes to *"Pay the Piper"* and bear the consequences for her actions that she enjoyed at the cost of others.

[@willowdovegirl]

Love your videos. Hope to see you more often in any videos.

[@deeliciousplum]

Hiding a trade secret: "I am a charlatan who places vulnerable clients in harm's way for profit." If I were Elizabeth, I, too, would want to silence whistleblowers. The insights, observations, and experiences of whistleblowers appear to have this odd effect where they lessen the value of a charlatan's brand and/or "business" model. 🤭

[@jenneroc]

Thank you! You are fabulous

[@dautolover]

Firstly, how can you manage doing a trial while also doing this series? I've been practicing 3 years, have done 1 big trial and everyone in the firm (4 attorneys) was on deck. I literally had no time for other matters but the trial. Anyway, I appreciate these updates.

[@LawyerYouKnow]

It’s a balance for sure! Got a great team too

[@nancyevans1278]

Thank you for great coverage as always! So happy I subscribed to your channel some time ago.

[@LawyerYouKnow]

Thanks for subbing!

[@johniii8147]

You know the defense is desperate if they are putting the charged on the stand. That rarely goes well.

[@colesweat1]

You should be called out for using pics of the cleaned up softer holmes.. Why not show how she looked when she was “running sheet” ?? Are you part of defense ??

[@FC-hj9ub]

Make a drinking game out of every time she says trade secrets 😄 🤣

[@americancitizen748]

It's getting interesting now...

[@LawyerYouKnow]

Just wait for my next update! Talk about interesting

[@YuTuboTuTubas]

I think that they are too soft on her. If the case were on any of us , im not sure they would be that nice. Almost seems like she had her alto latte from starbucks.

[@rikard-3642]

Don’t really know how the judicial system works in US but I would bet that she will be found guilty. I do however find it likely that she will get a very short sentence, max 2 years, and time spent in prison only a few months if not all time on probation.

[@buffhuskies]

So this whole time there has been this “will they, won’t they” put Holmes on the stand. You know, since it’s risky and most guilty people don’t defend themselves. But they did, and for 6 days. So my question is, if they hadn’t, what was the defense going to do? It sounds like they had a few very minor other witnesses on the stand. Was that all they were going to do if she hadn’t taken the stand? I also find it comical they had to call sorority sisters of hers from nearly 20 years ago to show a sign of solidarity with her. Many declined and the rest wanted to remain anonymous. Speaks volumes to her personality that she has zero supporters other than her mom and husband to stand by her side and has to call so-called “friends” she hasn’t seen since the early 2000s to fake support. Par for the course.

[@AllureKing]

She is an expert at distorting the truth. It was probably all her idea to go on the stand. She’s spent years convincing people to give her hundreds of millions of dollars, probably thought it would be easy to convince 12 people that she’s naive and didn’t know what was going on and was controlled. Which I don’t think they are gonna buy it. Whether it was from good intentions or not, she knowingly lied to people to get money.

[@wandatorres9967]

Always such good analysis and videos. Thank you!

[@LawyerYouKnow]

Glad you like them!

[@chiaratantillo7538]

Listen to the podcast “The Drop out Elizabeth Homes on Trial”. It is excellent

[@yogamama1879]

Great series. Thank you!

[@LawyerYouKnow]

You're very welcome!

[@alkazerouni]

she is guilty as hell and she knows it.

[@normamimosa5991]

The trade-secret argument sounds extremely thin to me. She could have informed the public that they were still working on the process.

[@quacks2much]

There is trial by ambush in federal criminal cases. Compare, the Jenks Act. Discovery in federal criminal cases sucks.

[@hughmann1908]

I still don’t know why this is not a RICO case? As well I we she could charged in association with Ian Gibbon’s suicide.

[@yourinnerlawyer4035]

The suicide is so unbelievably disturbing. She's a sociopath imo.

[@JennyHowatson]

@@yourinnerlawyer4035 She and Sonny

[@robertklein9190]

She should be going to jail along with her attorneys who harassed her employees, she had really nothing that worked after spending millions of dollars every year. She couldn't con the big players who were in the business, pharmaceutical companies, but throw out BS to deep pockets who happily threw some pocket change her way. BTW, I have a bridge, you want to buy?

[@j.jwhitty5861]

Are you in seine?

[@ak203]

I was astonished to learn that the prosecution did not put on a rebuttal case. The last impression they leave to the jury is Miss Pretty face do-gooder. She sais specific things and put in specific emails to which the prosecution has access for rebuttal. That way the last thought for the jury would be the refutation. That -- plus Leach's incomprehensibly weird way of asking what should be leading questions has be in a state of total disbelief at how mediocre the prosecution was. Also, since the jury cannot acquit if the people she defrauded were dumb or lazy, why did the prosecutor sit through literally hours of due diligence questioning? At a lass here. And Ive practiced for 4 decades and recognize that there are different ways to do things. But not this way.

[@fenriswulfe6661]

Is "At a lass" a Freudian slip?

[@ak203]

@@fenriswulfe6661 "Alas," no...its called a "typo":)

[@fenriswulfe6661]

@@ak203 Been there, done that, will no doubt do it again!

[@ak203]

@@alexgibb8406 Thanks but... I listen to Dropout, the only good trial recap out there -- that is not rebuttal evidence. Rebuttal is when she rests her case and you put on witnesses to address/refute things she said. Prosecutors took a pass on it and just from what I know of her testimony and documents she used, there was a mother lode out there. Just a few witnesses to tell the jury what they just heard was false is all it takes.

[@sportsbadcalls334]

@@ak203 Does the prosecutor think he/she can persuade the Jury without this rebuttal during the closing arguments? I do agree with you it would have been nice to take a few hours for a rebuttal. But, if I remember right the defense was keeping the cross witnesses up there forever probably tiring out the Jurists and witnesses. Maybe they didn't want to use the courts time to let the defense go awry, again.

[@jfgibson73]

Today (December 8th), it was reported that the defense rested their case. The judge set closing arguments for December 16th and 17th. Does anything else happen between now and then?

[@modojocorlee2241]

The judge, the prosecutor, and defense lawyer will discuss and agree on the provision of jury instructions

[@jfgibson73]

@@modojocorlee2241 Have they not already had instructions?

[@modojocorlee2241]

@@jfgibson73 This is the instruction specifically for jury deliberation. What evidence presented during the trial can and cannot be used.

[@GWhizard]

At least she was trying. "If you're going to fail, fail big." ~Denzel Washington

[@froggreen2067]

Subscribed

[@jefferyyoder9785]

I watched enough Judge Judy episodes to see how well a defense of physical abuse works when Judge Judy asked, "Can I see the Police Reports?" The only evidence Miss Holmes has provided of abuse are text messages such as, "I love you snookums", "I can't wait to see you", "How can we hold off on this test vetting our technology, my love" ..etc

[@cutebalddiver]

She' guilty. Prosecution's case is strong. Her defense is weak.

[@JohnSmith-eo5sp]

I agree, but the jury might not see it that way. Even if she is convicted there's no guarantee she'll do a lot of time

[@PungiFungi]

@@JohnSmith-eo5sp doing time is doing time. She just do not want to see the inside of a prison.

[@cometcat7327]

Why wasn’t Sunny Balwani called as a witness

[@IAMMARTICUS1470]

Prosecution: he was in on it, could lie on the stand to help protect himself, could muddy the other testimonies Defence: they are trying to pin it on him, so he would presumably strongly refute the allegations which would undermine their case

[@PungiFungi]

He said if called he would plead the fifth. He and Holmes concocted this plan to have their trial separated so one can blame the other without being rebutted.

[@656harnish]

Seriously when is this train wreck of a trial going to be done?

[@enzov9772]

4:28 “why is it such a big deal to not say you’re using commercial equipment” Instead of the “trade secret” defense, it would’ve been much much easier to just say “we’re using commercial equipment to process patient results so that we can baseline our Edison machine which is still in R&D”

[@jimz508]

Cell phones should be turned in to security if this is a problem.

[@Hollis_has_questions]

Did I miss where you summed up jury selection? Because I can’t predict how the jury will go until I know about the jurors.

[@aramovies]

Prosecution also dropped a bombshell about "ceparate romantic relationship" she had with someone for 5 years while sleeping with Sunny Balwani.

[@PuckDudesHockey]

I have a question... would any damages (criminal or civil) she is required to pay apply to her current assets, or to future potential assets as well? Assuming she is found guilty and given a 10-year sentence, for the sake of argument, she will leave prison still quite young, presumably poor, and without a great resume! But she might be offered a lucrative book deal. After serving her sentence, could she actually profit and/or live off of those proceeds, or would all her future potential earnings be subject to claims against her now?

[@timames4405]

If she is jailed, no publisher will touch her.

[@royfr8136]

She'll walk - The lack of youtube coverage or MSM coverage tells me this.

[@bees5461]

Lol trade secret = our machine didn’t work so we used Siemens equipment

[@susanallison183]

So, when Ms Holmes is found guilty, there’s the question of her sentence. Since this a federal case, how much discretion will the judge have? Is it true that white-collar crimes tried in federal court typically carry significantly lesser sentences than the same crimes in state courts? What determines which court will try a given case? If so, why?

[@kentharris7427]

Sounds like Elizabeth is going to have to be prepared to wear an orange jumpsuit.

[@SammyNeedsAnAlibi]

So when the Prosecutor snapped back at her last week about "trade secrets" and said "we'll get to that".... did he? Or is the fact she didn't tell anyone outside of her office the machines didn't work as advertised was the "trade secret"? Good vid- very informative. I just wish we could of watched it on TV.

[@JohnSmith-eo5sp]

Yep, that's it, the machine didn't work - - that's the secret

[@Mozkonauta]

My gut says: “At least 15 years behind bars.”

[@Foxie635]

She’s lucky no one died. Some were probably scared to death when they knew they lost their money and when lab results came back abnormal.

[@sambirtwistle]

a lab director committed suicide because he was going to be legally disposed the next day. I'd say indirectly she has caused a lot of human suffering.

[@davidjma7226]

I understand that EH was trying to develop eye contact with the jury members - but they were not having it. Not usually a good sign.....

[@lizlarsen1653]

It says “Mrs.” Holmes in the description. She is a Ms I believe. Mrs Holmes would be her mother.

[@susanallison183]

The odds of a conviction in a federal case are somewhere around 90%, are they not? Nuff said? I look forward to your updates on this case not only for your insights but for the comments that are generated. I can’t seem to summon the level of vitriol against Ms Holmes that will surely be demonstrated again after this vid.

[@pgbpro20]

You're doing a "base rate" analysis, which is always a really good place to start. But, I think there are a lot of factors that make me believe that "Not Guilty" is a strong possibility. 1. She's got a scapegoat in Sunni 2. She's pretty, white, young, pregnant, a women, and charismatic 3. She's got crazy money 4. She existed in a world full of "fake it till you make it" types, so it's understandable that she followed suit. Neither verdict would surprise me. Like practically everyone else following this story, I think she's guilty!

[@JohnSmith-eo5sp]

More like 95%

[@PungiFungi]

Which means Holmes still have a chance being in the other 10%.

[@Bhubnipz]

Whaddup Pete you looking fresh today

[@johntenhave1]

I guess it depends on how smart the jury is, and whether Holmes’ one trick pony show of the baritone hypnotist is still effective. Prediction? She will go down for this.

[@johntenhave1]

Excellent update as usual. Are you planning to look at the G Maxwell case?

[@PungiFungi]

I think she may be found innocent of some charges but guilty on others. I would laugh my ass off if the jury foreman pronounced her innocent on all the charges but saved the guilty one for last. 😆😆🤣

[@robinthompson7591]

Please look into the trial of Ghislane Maxwell

[@MCPAN211]

How have you been able to watch some of this case?

[@custer2449]

Aaron, I listen to it on Spotify with both The Dropout & Bad Blood. If I remember right you can probably also get a copy of the transcript online somewhere.

[@chiaratantillo7538]

Error It was the Atherton Mansion CA look it up

[@RisingEdge111]

She thinks she is Queen Elizabeth.

[@charlesritter6640]

All I know is I will be absolutely SHOCKED if she does even one day in prison.

[@ghblues1970]

The big question.... Which voice is she using to answer, normal or deep bass?

[@926paaja]

Maxwell case?

[@barryschultz7755]

I predict that she will get a 5 year jail sentence and get out in 2-3. Her name will go down in history

[@testcitsl1468]

I feel there is more to these jury dramas that has been going on since the start and the prosecution being way too soft without talking about some basic things that even comments here are pointing out.. may be since so many politicians advertised for her and such high profile ppl invested in it.. there could be some pressure on prosecution and jury to make sure to go soft on her and if possible make her walk free in few weeks looking like this "naive beautiful damsel in distress who got tricked by everyone when she tried to 'change the world' " :P

[@paukenschlag5461]

Think about all those people she employed.

[@janesmith9024]

Thank you. Another interesting one. It is the same here in the UK - you usually cannot ambush the other party with a last minute document although occasionally if in the interests of justice you can. She was far far too young and inexperienced to start a company like this and not have scientists on the board. We might admire very young people who set up on their own but they just don't have the wisdom or life experience to it well in most cases.

[@Its_Wine_Thirty]

Pete, what happens with Federal court over Christmas? Do you expect a verdict before then? Also, I think she's guilty but I think she'll be found not guilty.

[@justanothersmith6012]

She should have just gone into acting. She’s so good at it.

[@billdilo9885]

GUILTY!!!’

[@godexplorer]

Can you do the Kim Potter trial

[@tkf3478]

Guilty as hell. She would be convicted in my opinion. Bold stand, yes I know.