Weird Changes in Mario Lore

[@DonShnack]

Disclaimer: I fuck wit Brockhampton heavy lmao

[@MATIE-ENTERTAINMENT]

Let me tell you the Mario movie is not canon to the games! So Cranky is still DK’s grandfathers

[@MATIE-ENTERTAINMENT]

@@Joker3180Z well yeah kinda. But still I would forget about that. Disclaimer: I dod NOT played DK64 or am a long time viewer of this channel.

[@iexist646]

That Peggy collab is fucking nuts

[@gregkareem9824]

Stop cursing its a sin..........

[@gregkareem9824]

​@@iexist646stop cursing its a sin.........

[@everylore]

"he's legally allowed to be on his parents health insurance" had no business being that funny

[@LordFartamor]

Laughing my balls off

[@Daveway-k9f]

Neither did that comment

[@capriciousgaming9322]

Wario would 100% stay on his parents' health insurance for as long as possible just so he doesn't have to pay for it.

[@chair98]

​@@capriciousgaming9322 fr

[@castform7]

I swear, Nintendo just wants DK lore to make people scratch their heads. Never forget that Mario fought Cranky and arguably looks younger than he did then back in the "Jumpman" days. Meanwhile Cranky looks like he's a couple years away from joining his wife Wrinkly.

[@pokefanalex9504]

I thought it was commonly thought Jumpman is actually Mario's father or relative of some kind (or that Kongs age rapidly)

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

​@@pokefanalex9504 I thought the same thing when I heard that Mario's dad died because of DK Jr. as you can see the halo on his head. It turns out that the halo is only in the NES version and the arcade version shows Jumpman running away after Cranky booted him off. So that completely defeats the purpose of that theory.

[@dumbly-stupid]

​@@pokefanalex9504 yeah but Mario Odyssey makes it more confusing

[@TH3H3LLR41S3R]

​@pokefanalex9504 I think it was in an old play guide, but yes, jump man is Mario's father and why Pauline knows mario.

[@Vitallor]

@@TH3H3LLR41S3RI think Mario is jumpman,Gorillas age faster than humans

[@Ale41976]

Miyamoto is Canonically Bowser Jr.'s Mother, and if I have to remember it, so I'll make everyone else remember it.

[@eat00002]

oh, i see. M PREG M PREG M PREG

[@rajkanishu]

bowser impregnating a senile asian man is not even close to the most fucked up mario rule34 out there

[@thornangel16]

I prefer to think Bowser Jr. was brought over via stork. Storks are a thing in the Mario universe.

[@Ale41976]

@@thornangel16 Miyamoto said it himself to be Bowser Jr's Mother

[@hellofellowbotsss]

☹️

[@Mike_Nielsen]

Never question The Don, he is always right even when he's wrong which is never 😂

[@klentastic87]

he is the true don

[@Joker3180Z]

@@klentastic87 Is he the true dong though?

[@cruleo]

Mario’s 24? tf is he doing fighting that big lizard he should be at the club

[@dylansickinger545]

That big lizard is 24? tf he doing fighting those plumbers and kidnapping princesses he should be at the club

[@X2011racer]

Bowser's probably older given that he can already walk and talk during Yoshi's Island.

[@k-boi420]

That gorilla is 24? tf he doing fighting a crocodile with a giant stomach of gold he should be at the club

[@floatingf8783]

Mario's a simple man. He has his girlfriend, he has his brother, and occasionally has the Goddess of Space over to play sports, he has all the companionship he needs, he doesn't NEED to go to the club.

[@lucasmatthiessen1570]

Theory. Cranky Kong is DK’s grandfather. But he adopted him as his own son when DK’s parents died.

[@dariandaughtrey8578]

Well DK’s dad is Donkey Jr. son of Cranky Kong

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

@@dariandaughtrey8578 Which makes the modern DK called "Donkey Kong III".

[@Vitamin_jp]

Or maybe cranky is keeping it in the family and IS both his father and grandfather

[@Joker3180Z]

Canon: Cranky just wants to flaunt his age

[@Joker3180Z]

​@@dariandaughtrey8578wrong

[@ProfessorMike64]

Actually, the Cranky retcon goes as far back as DK 64, in which he calls Donkey "his good-for-nothing son".

[@xx_squirtle8621]

And with the use of the rap and a lot of the background Kongs, it looks like the movie used 64 as its main reference

[@genericyoutubecommentchann7418]

In Yoshi’s island DS, the babies were all already “born”. They were just stolen from their homes and the storks returned them to their homes at the end once the Yoshis rescued them. So they aren’t necessarily the same age. Maybe extremely close in age, but not necessarily the exact age.

[@deathpie24]

That is still 2-3 year difference Then you have DK and Bowser who would age differently

[@kristalann5151]

Agreed. I feel like the girls (Peach and Daisy and Rosalina) must be a bit younger than the boys (Mario and Luigi.) I was staring at the character select screen in Mario kart when I noticed all the girl babies still have their binkies, while the boys don't. Then I remembered playing Partners in Time, and how baby Peach was always sitting in her pram or could crawl a bit and not talk, while little Mario and Luigi could walk, talk a few phrases ("thank you very much," "let's go") and do all their playable maneuvers jumping platforms and fighting enemies.

[@47slogra]

​@@kristalann5151 Isn't Rosalina really old? Like hundreds of years I swear that was her lore in Mario Galaxy

[@sammy_slammy]

​@@47slograSpace goddess if I understand it right. And then still with the chance of being related to the Mario Bros someway somehow. /ref

[@sammorin254]

Baby Rosalina isn't canon at all, she only became a princess later in life. And yes, at least Peach is like, a year or two younger than the Mario Bros. because of Partners in Time lore.

[@2_many_alts]

Surprised Mario is 24, owns multiple houses, can afford countless vacations, and still be able to go karting and golfing with his buddies

[@catfluff85]

I mean he had to get SOME kind of reward for saving Peach all those times She's royalty, so she's rich Maybe she gave Mario a ton of money for saving her so many times?

[@Pudu2909]

mushroom kingdom is still running 1950s economy

[@luxaeterna365]

That's what getting a rich girlfriend get's you

[@rickrogan2355]

Mario on the Gameboy had his own island that he was the KING of. Super Mario Land 2: Six Golden Coins. He owns the land the game takes place on.

[@jarerarebear1765]

Nepotism will do that, you know.

[@shen_valor]

The Cranky thing has been a dillema for so long. But the Koopalings not being Bowser's hit hard when i first read about it.

[@sentienttwig7043]

I see the Mario movie as it’s own separate canon as it follows the games pretty loosely in terms of story (take peach’s characterization for example)

[@Joker3180Z]

Super Princess Peach DK64

[@47slogra]

Ye I mean Mario and Luigi grew up in the real world while Peach grew up in Mushroom kingdom that alone makes it a different canon

[@Joker3180Z]

@@47slogra That doesn't retcon the original Super Mario Bros., Yoshi's island itself retconned ut to be Mario and Luigi being delivered by Storks, either way DK III is and never was an actual character

[@PersonOfRandomnesss]

"Doctor" Mario doesn't even have a license... to no ones surprise

[@Avriel_Mimiga]

no no no that's where you're wrong he got his degree by watching House and Scrubs and ER

[@nehemiahpouncey3607]

Mario get's his license revoked.😂

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

He threw everyone out of the window just to shove the fentanyl on his brother's hole.

[@sunstar185]

Cranky Kong will always be DKs grandfather. And DKJ is his dad. A Retcon I’m still salty about is Koopa Kid. As someone who grew up in the early 2000s I miss his dumb voice. I understand Bowser Jr. replacing him makes sense but they shouldn’t have gotten rid of him all together.

[@coolsquid22]

That just means the dk we see in the movie is junior

[@sunstar185]

@@coolsquid22Well I just believe the Mario movie is an alternate timeline separate from the games.

[@coolsquid22]

@@sunstar185 probably, but this also makes dk junior something other then a forgotten character

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

Wasn't the original intention in Donkey Kong Country was for modern Donkey Kong to be Donkey Kong Jr all grown up. All this means is that we have been playing as Donkey Kong Jr all this time, instead of him mysteriously disappear for the past 30 years. Which I think is better personally, as having modern DK being the grandson always felt unnecessary to me. Especially because we have no information of where "DK jr" is, or who "DK III" mom is. Plus in Donkey Kong 64, Cranky referred to modern DK as his son. So even back then they were trying to backtrack modern DK being the grandson and just simply be DK jr.

[@MrRuePine]

​​@@sunstar185 Didn't Cranky also call DK his son in DK64? So Mario Movie's retcon is just a reference to THAT game's.

[@likeapro4242]

Imma be real, I’m still salty that the Koopalings are now just henchmen instead of Bowser’s adoptive kids. Especially because it makes sense for them to be adopted because Bowser’s canonically a good dad, so I can imagine that he’s happy to provide for some abandoned Koopalings They will always be Bowser Jr.’s older siblings in my heart

[@ArabellaGrethey]

I remember playing Mario & Luigi Paper Jam and I feel like I remember the Koopalings referring to Bowser as dad, and then not halfway through the game (I also remember them complaining there were no paper variants of themselves, then being added in Paper Mario Color Splash...and now I'm wondering if it also predicted Peach Showtime...)

[@dylansickinger545]

I refuse to accept that, I still consider them to be Bowser’s kids

[@TheStickCollector]

When did that do that? Wonder? Guess I'll remain blissfully ignorant

[@peaceofyoshi]

They still have a sibling dynamic with Jr, specifically in Bowser Jr's Journey, so it's not like he doesn't treat them like his kids, specifically Jr's older mentors as the end of the story shows.

[@deathpie24]

Well they are still very much trusted considering they each usually get an army of their own to command

[@spencerwhite818]

Wario being on his parent's medical insurance and listening to brockhampton fuckin killed me

[@DiagonalTanooki]

i'd say the star children are around 30, in dr luigi it is stated to be luigis 30 birthday which implies that mario and all the others are around 30

[@D4Nesquickster]

That was Luigi’s Debut, Shigeru Miyamoto already confirmed that the Star children are 24-25

[@unknownbunny9888]

​@D4Nesquickster You might want to fact check that statement you made.

[@BlueSpider08]

Shigeru Miyamoto is also Bowser Jr.'s mother😅

[@Ratfkr]

I feel called out with that brockhampton line

[@crismon0726]

those people who kept saying mario is 40 and peach is 18 just got owned

[@jarerarebear1765]

The DK we know today is a grown up version of Donkey Kong Junior, hence why he's already considered a Video Game Hero at the beginning of the original Donkey Kong Country.

[@Joker3180Z]

FINALLY THANK GOD THERE'S A TRUE FAN

[@traskforge]

Yoshis island ds is a perfect game and should be treated as the only valid lore in the series as it expands the mario universe in ways the others were afraid to

[@rajkanishu]

real

[@phacey4444]

Nothing in the movie is a retcon, it's its own continuity

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

Well the original intention in Donkey Kong Country was for modern Donkey Kong to be Donkey Kong Jr all grown up. All this means is that we have been playing as Donkey Kong Jr all this time, instead of him mysteriously disappear for the past 30 years. Which I think is better personally, as having modern DK being the grandson always felt unnecessary to me. Especially because we have no information of where "DK jr" is, or who "DK III" mom is. Plus in Donkey Kong 64, Cranky referred to modern DK as his son. So even back then they were trying to backtrack modern DK being the grandson and just simply be DK jr.

[@AztecCroc]

@@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache In 64 that was son in the old people vernacular, not the literal.

[@Joker3180Z]

DK64

[@justatoaster7476]

@@Joker3180Zwhich was immediately contradicted by returns

[@Joker3180Z]

@@justatoaster7476DK64 Predates Returns, And since the Movie is after Returns, The Retcon remains

[@ripleyandweeds1288]

Ok but Wario would absolutely abuse the fact he's still legally under his parents' health insurance.

[@juancl7658]

I think DJ Jr is the Tio Bruno of the Kong family and in my headcanon, he went insane when he thought his dad was kidnapped by Mario like a misunderstanding in the DK Jr arcade game and somehow had his own son. The Kongs then disowned DK Jr and was sent to a monkey asylum and thus, DK III never met his own father and considered his grandpa as his father.

[@BolasMinion]

Kranky _is_ Donkey's father, though. Kranky is the original DK, and Donkey is the original DK, Jr.

[@Joker3180Z]

YES ANOTHER TRUE FAN

[@D4Nesquickster]

Mhm, a developer stating that Cranky Kong was so old that by the time that DK64’s Events started, he was too old to remember that he was DK’s Father, especially since CK called DK his “Good for nothing Son”

[@BolasMinion]

@@Joker3180Z Got that from GT, actually. Still a sucker for any lore I can inhale, no matter the franchise

[@Joker3180Z]

@@BolasMinion Nevermind not a true fan, Cranky Is DK's Father, DK Jr is the Current DK, but the Mario and Pauline from OG DK are the same characters from Odyssey, Kongs Age a Lot faster than Humans in this franchise Tip of advice Don't follow any of MatPat's Mario Theories they are complete trash, the Mario ones in particular are the worst theories he's ever made And some some of the Zelda ones are trash(Link Dying in Majora's Mask was debunked before ever seeing the light of day(Twilight Link is the only Link to be Blood Related to A previous one)

[@Trawing-zlr]

“I know Mario lore isn’t that complicated.” Proceeds to show the most complicated part of Mario lore

[@lillii9119]

The DK in the movie is just DK Jr. Since the movie is the beginning of the timeline and monkeys age fast, it just makes sense.

[@castform7]

It could be argued that Peach, if by only a little, is younger than Mario, maybe by a year. In Mario & Luigi: Partners in time, Peach definitely feels younger than the bros. Once again, probably not that far apart but I'd say at least a good few months.

[@BareKnuckleBlaze]

Ohh this brings back memories to how annoying Baby Peach was in PIT 😭

[@TeamMeunierYT]

Oh hey Sonic Colors music-

[@BasketChase98]

My favorite is a joke from an interview where the question was “who is Bowser Jr’s real mother?” and iirc Miyamoto just slowly pointed to himself without saying a word

[@gemninja1197]

I was also confused why they made cranky kong dk's dad in the movie but I just decided to pass it off as their bond as him seeing dk like a son so he calls him that and vise versa.

[@nicolasmeisel]

Could be worse.... They could made cranky DK's father AND grandfather.

[@Joker3180Z]

Redneck Komg Appears

[@TheDrow_Bard]

I was not expecting the Brockhampton line

[@habshen]

Wario looks like he invented mewing

[@birdmanip]

loving the sonic colours music for this mario video lmao

[@EpicDoggo-q7v]

Following that the next week there was a petition to have me crucified. Thank you, Minions.

[@kingdomtrue7008]

Cranky being DK’s father was also a thing in 64

[@OrangerJuice]

Maybe the Donkey Kong from the Mario Movie is just DK Jr wearing DK's clothes?

[@lillii9119]

To be fair movie DK has a completely different design from current DK way closer to the original DK, so I wouldn't be surprised that movie DK is DK Jr., could even be Cranky perhaps

[@tatsumakivee4201]

Didn't the Mario Movie also end a 20-30 year old debate about the name "Spiny Shell vs Blue Shell"? I swear I saw an article one time about this between Nintendo and its fans...

[@DE23]

Considering the movie also consistently calles ? Blocks "Boxes" I don't think it has a lot of authority on what the official names of things are.

[@X2011racer]

Let's not get started on "Super Dragon Yoshi" vs. "T. Yoshisaur Munchakoopas"...

[@Joker3180Z]

Spiny Blue Shell Blue Shell is that Powerup from NSMBDS

[@lol-ih1tl]

The Mario Kart item was always officially named "Spiny Shell". "Blue Shell" is just an unofficial lingo.

[@Squincy.B]

Day eh, of trying to get the Don to do a PokePark #2 Nuzlocke.

[@XavVierMusic]

Brockhampton is a crazy reference

[@mokoronashi]

Wario looks like he’s the kind of guy to secretly play the banjo as a hobby

[@SiebayPlays]

Seriously, the Cranky Kong - Donkey Kong relationship in the movie had me all sorts of fired up. I’m not going to let that slide. Also, I always thought Mario was 24 so that makes sense.

[@jeremyzapsmash]

same

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

Why? Wasn't the original intention in Donkey Kong Country was for modern Donkey Kong to be Donkey Kong Jr all grown up? All this means is that we have been playing as Donkey Kong Jr all this time, instead of him being unseen for the past 30 years.

[@Shane_Murphy_Hendrickson]

@@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustacheyes, you’re right.

[@MrRuePine]

Although it turns out this retcon goes all the way back to DK64. Found this out while playing the game for the first time recently. Mario Movie's is just a mention.

[@Joker3180Z]

DK64

[@OrpheasVIPC]

Headcanon: the DK from the movie is a grown-up DK jr

[@soggyapples1518]

Its technically not a retcon but i will never forgive Miyamoto for taking Wapeach from us

[@Aleatory_Guy]

tbf in my university I met a guy that looked just like wario that was only 20yo, even though everyone thought he was like, mid 30s...

[@mushroomfusion245]

According to Gregg Mayles, the character designer for Cranky Kong, by Donkey Kong 64, he was so senile he forgot DK was his grandson rather than his son.

[@uslessyoutuber3092]

Mario lore does go crazy

[@kirboioproductions74398]

Mario Lore is insane

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

I always thought that modern DK was DK Jr all grown up, with Cranky Kong being his father along with being the original DK. All this means is that we have been playing as Donkey Kong Jr all this time, instead of him mysteriously disappear for the past 30 years. Plus I think this is better personally, as having modern DK being the grandson always felt unnecessary to me. Especially because we have no information of where "DK jr" is, or who "DK III" mom is. Plus in Donkey Kong 64, Cranky referred to modern DK as his son. So even back then they were trying to backtrack modern DK being the grandson and just simply be DK jr.

[@Shane_Murphy_Hendrickson]

You’re right. I agree. Cranky Kong is Donkey Kong’s father in the video games developed by Rareware, but Nintendo changed it in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

[@philbuttler3427]

Wario is aggressively heterosexual nobodu can convince me otherwise

[@diamondoge]

Thomas game docs did a whole video on this and it’s pretty good

[@Joker3180Z]

Haven't watched him in a while send me the link

[@D4Nesquickster]

@@Joker3180ZThomas Game Docs Is more of a Reliable Source than MatPat tbh

[@larrylaffer3246]

Cranky is The Original DK and The Current DK's Dad. That's the cannon originally established by Rare when they 1st made The DKC Games and what I consider cannon too. It helps explain where DK Jr. went after the events of DK 94' and DK Jr.

[@Ed_man_talking9]

weird, i thought Mario was in his late 30's

[@JackitK]

The Cranky recon happened as far back as DKC Returns, if not earlier, but he'll always be DK grandpa in my heart.

[@Joker3180Z]

DK64 also Cranky only did that to exaggerate his age part of his character is flaunting his age

[@Hugelag]

That makes the Donkey Kong in the movie DK Jr.

[@Joker3180Z]

DK Jr. has always been DKC DK

[@Thebigchub-h2b]

The biggest lore is that Mallow inst actually a frog 😱

[@Emerald_56]

He's an anime gril

[@D4Nesquickster]

When Mallow fell, he must’ve fell HARD! Like blud thought he was a Tadpole, like he has feet, how was that not a dead giveaway to him

[@GrumpyTy34er]

Friendly reminder that the Mario Brothers are also twins and nobody seems to remember this or bat an eye

[@gundamgamer7060]

Regarding the Cranky Kong "retcon", you have to remember that the movie is its own separate continuity from the games. In the games, he's DK's grandpa, but the movie version is his father.

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

Wario being that young makes monas crush slightly less creepy

[@melskunk]

Finding out Mario is 24 is like finding out Vintendo isn't 40 with that lush stache

[@ioio3197]

Warios a 24 year old billionare. Lesson learned, never try

[@anthonyoliver418]

The last one isn’t a retcon, it is an adaptation change made since we never see DK’s dad who is presumably junior

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

The original intention in Donkey Kong Country was for modern Donkey Kong to be Donkey Kong Jr all grown up. All this means is that we have been playing as Donkey Kong Jr all this time, instead of him mysteriously disappear for the past 30 years. I think this is better personally, as having modern DK being the grandson always felt unnecessary to me. Especially because we have no information of where "DK jr" is, or who "DK III" mom is. Plus in Donkey Kong 64, Cranky referred to modern DK as his son. So even back then they were trying to backtrack modern DK being the grandson and just simply be DK jr.

[@Joker3180Z]

DKC DK Is DK Jr Dk Jr isn't His dad but rather his teen self

[@Antifearn]

Poor Donkey Kong Jr. doesn’t deserve this erasure

[@harambe2132]

*talks about Mario *plays Sonic music in the background

[@maxreallycool1563]

Wario listens to Green Day

[@heftyrumble]

I just saw the Mario Movie thing as like a difference the games have with the movie.

[@Joker3180Z]

If Nintendo says Mario movie is canon how would you react also Nintendo is still behind the movie it isn't just liscensed

[@Wryys703]

That brockhampton stray was wild

[@NoodleGorillaz__]

Not the Brockhampton slander

[@ProJohnson]

Even after watching this I have no idea whats goin on

[@EpicCamraMan]

Mario and Wario are definitely in their early 40s

[@KairanFarr]

Do they look 40

[@Ms_FluffySheep]

I will always know Cranky as DK's grandfather.

[@lilbonsly]

Cranky Kong being DKs grandfather. And Junior bring is his dad was ALWAYS stupid. Like there's just a grown up DK Junior we never see? No, thats dumb. Of course it makes way more sense for Cranky to be his Dad and DK to just be Junior.

[@Joker3180Z]

Your view is also backed by developers and now Nintendo themselves

[@lilbonsly]

@@Joker3180Z Good.

[@InkyShowBlot44]

I thought the movie had a different canon

[@bretterry8356]

Cranky was not DK's grandfather in the DK Country games. He was always his father. Cranky was the DK of the original arcade game, and the DK of DK Country was DK Jr, from the DK Jr arcade game. In the original Super Mario Kart he was even called Kong Jr. Since apes age faster than humans, becoming mature adults at aroung age 8 (for gorillas), we can assume that the baby kong that was the same age as baby Mario was Cranky, and that DK Jr was born when Mario was in his teens. That would put him as a young adult now.

[@Linklighter]

Well, the Mario Movie may just be it’s own continuity, in fact, it seems most likely imo, the story is supposedly Mario’s first adventure in the Mushroom Kingdom, yet Donkey Kong, Mario Bros., lots of other pre-SMB games, and even SMB itself, which is *also* supposed to be their first Mushroom Kingdom adventure aren’t taken into account in the movie’s story, and the characters have pretty different personalities, especially DK, Bowser, and Peach, so it’s either the games that started it all are canon, but the movie’s not, or the movie’s canon, but the early games aren’t. Take your pick! Also, I think I remember in an interview for Mario Wonder, the devs said they didn’t want the movie to influence the games very much, so the lore in it also probably wouldn’t affect the game’s lore either, so DK JR. probably still exists in the games, especially since he recently appeared in Mario Kart Tour, (though still pixelated,) so Nintendo hasn’t forgotten about him yet! Anyways, it’s always nice seeing someone else who likes Mario lore! Quick edit: “Mario’s first adventure in the Mushroom Kingdom” in this context specifically refers to as an adult, i.e., not including Partners in Time and other games featuring Baby Mario.

[@Hypocrit217]

“Can you pick me up I’m crying” 💀

[@susiehaltmann3342]

I think in the movie DK calls Cranky dad because in the games DK the III has never canonically been seen with Jr. Because both Jr., and the mother just went missing and have never been seen since. So Cranky was the closest thing. Thats my take. Dk became an orphan which is why he calls cranky dad

[@Joker3180Z]

DK III hasn't Canonically been seen because that's not a real character it's completely fan made

[@susiehaltmann3342]

@@Joker3180Z no it is and its called dk thr third because… well its the third donkey kong. First cranky which was the og arcade dk. His son dk jr who saved his father from captivity by the revenge seeking mario. Then at some point he went insane and the first dk ended up becoming the cranky cranky kong we all know and love. But at some point dk jr went missing and no one has ever seen since. But at some point before he ended up meeting someone and they made donkey kong the third. Cranky kongs grandson. And this donkey kong is the one we all know today. And since the disappearance of his parents from when he was returned after the events of yoshi island ds, he was raised by wrinkly and cranky kong. So at that point cranky was his new father which is why im guessing in the movie he calls cranky “dad”

[@samuraiforever9120]

I feel the whole mario retcon DK Its been confusing as shuffle all the different lore.Kranky was Donkey Kong the you have Jr, then DK, but jr is mia , DK and Diddy were made the leads instead of Donkey Kong and Jr. we see the whole stork delivery implying Dk was a baby, yet Kranky is an adult and Jr should be at least 6-11. while apes age faster than humans and Jr. should be a dad by 15.

[@Joker3180Z]

DK64

[@samuelbrown1283]

They are trying to erase DK Jr from existence

[@Joker3180Z]

DK Jr is DKC DK they didn't erase him, they gave exponential growth to his character, in fact DK Jr. being DKC DK kind of makes Him the character with the most development

[@franciscojaviermendezrinco1902]

One detail. The change of Kranky Kong being from DK's grandfather to father was done first in Donkey Kong 64. In one of the first dialogues of the game Kranky calls Dk his "good for nothing son."

[@lillii9119]

You do know that in English you can say "son" to just talk to someone younger right?

[@ShnobbsReal]

Correction: Cranky was always Dk's father.

[@Ryan-cj2xw]

I figured out DK Junior is the new Frankie Kong

[@ZlayfersShitpostBot]

iirc DK Jr would grow up to be the DK we know, so it makes sense to make Cranky (og DK) his father, right? Where exactly did people got that idea that he is his grandfather?

[@Joker3180Z]

Cranky likes flaunting his age and in the DKC games he calls himself the grandfather of DKC DK Despite being his father Fans wanting to Believe Cranky then came up with DK III This blew way out of proportion like the severe misunderstanding of a line that made many people believe Vivian is trans, despite Vivian being Female

[@legometaworld2728]

Where has Toadsworth been all this time

[@Joker3180Z]

Conceptualized for the movie cut for the final product

[@D4Nesquickster]

He came back in PMTTYD’s Remake, so technically he’s still here

[@naturalace5375]

Playing Sonic music in a Mario-related video.

[@Cassidy-D4v1d]

Don't forget the koopalings are and aren't bowser kids

[@beagay963]

To be fair the Mario movies DK could just be Jr. who long ditched being called junior

[@toast348]

Cranky being DKs dad would mean that at least in the mario movie DK Junior is actually Donkey Kong

[@Joker3180Z]

that's the case even in the games DK64

[@Evixyn]

I always thought jump man Mario was thirty five years old and Wario was maybe two to five years older then that.

[@viveillyvi]

I recently saw a short where they confirmed Bowsers age of 34

[@tomo8940]

Remember when Mario unleased a massive black hole that consumed his entire world only for it to be reborn again as a new galaxy? Yeah, that's very important Mario lore.

[@Iconic_Zoot]

I trust whatever the KZbinr Carlito says at this point since he has to do a bunch of wild research for videos on Donkey Kong and Mario. The dude is pretty much becoming "the Donkey Kong guy" at this point, if he isn't already.

[@kirbylover2.038]

Cranky is still dk’s grandfather in the games the movies are different also the first one wasn’t a retcon because nothing changed

[@Joker3180Z]

Cranky only refers to himself that way but He's the father of DKC DK not the Grandfather

[@kiawegamer]

In fact, wasn't Illumination's decision at all Nintendo themselves (or even Rare, who knows) called Cranky as DK' father since DK64, so... is just required to pay attention to dialogues and not just keep pressing A, at least is not the obnoxious owl from Ocarina of Time But in your favor, that retcon is always changing, the same happens with "who was the original DK, Cranky or our current DK" they just don't decide which version to take as the right one, and they switch to the most convenient when required

[@Joker3180Z]

Cranky Lives Flaunting his age but he has always been DK's Father

[@popop7850]

Fun fact: The very first idea for Mario name for his first game (DK arcade) was Ossan. It means "middle aged man" in japanese. Even tho it was abandonned i just thought it's worse mentioning

[@samarius_art_and_games]

It's almost like the Mario Movie is a different continuity that has no bearing on the game lore.

[@Sly88Frye]

Cranky Kong being donkey Kong's grandfather before is a bit confusing because what is it donkey Kong junior is cranky Kong's son and then donkey Kong is the son of donkey Kong Junior but then you see donkey Kong Junior as a child in Mario tennis alongside his grown-up son donkey kong. It's just too weird.

[@EiFarted]

Cranky’s his GRANDFATHER?! I thought the DK we have now was the kid in JR, and cranky was the original?