Welby Quits: Have you lost faith in the Church? Feat. Carole Malone & Harriet Harman | Jeremy Vine

[@christopherflux6254]

Jesus doesn’t call people to have faith in the Church. He calls people to have faith in Him.

[@dl21633]

“It is God alone who judges; he decides who will rise and who will fall.” Psalm 75:7 nlt

[@MsZelda2012]

So why have Archbishops and churches?

[@vincentvangogh8092]

c of e was invented for king henry so he could murder his wife it started off with low morals so dont be surprised

[@melaniebaynes2730]

​@@MsZelda2012Actually, having come rather late to Bible study, not ever having been a member of any institutional church, I don't believe such structures were what Jesus ever intended. Christ instructed His disciples and followers to gather in each other's homes, breaking bread in memory of Him. There is a growing 'home church' movement.

[@PeterJohn-hl3ox]

You obviously have not read about the conversion of St Paul.

[@donnawatt7124]

Welby needs investigating 😡

[@carolinestephens4082]

Mi6😂

[@ianstanley2607]

As far as I'm concerned any kids abused after he found out he is as guilty as the abuser

[@Whiteraven-m1p]

There's a reason people protect nonces...birds of a feather..

[@Whiteraven-m1p]

@@ianstanley2607 absolutely 👏

[@smac6880]

Welby has been a wolf leading the sheep away from Biblical doctrine for some time.

[@carolinestephens4082]

Mi6

[@reasonrestored9116]

Jesus wasn’t in favour of the church…

[@phabebarcelona863]

Intresting point

[@josmith5866]

Victims need to be acknowledged indepth for their pain, suffering and loss. They need to be seen, heard and believed without making them feel worse.

[@phabebarcelona863]

100 pc

[@tedwilson2805]

Hierarchies! Only one Bishop spoke out. How brave was she in that environment. The next Archbishop is likely to be one of the others who stayed silent!

[@jessicadubois9945]

This man gave me bad vibes from day one. The church needs to clean house. Way too much abuse that has been covered up for DECADES.

[@phabebarcelona863]

Yup House needs a big clean

[@janeday9148]

Welby isn't not a nice man, let's understand nice people do not keep quiet about the abuse of Children then send him to abuse Children in Africa ,no Welby is not a nice man

[@ninabaker6829]

He is evil and is guilty. He did nothing. Disgraceful

[@stephenglasse9756]

The charge wasn't that he did nothing but that he didn't do enough. He decided to leave it for the police

[@MsZelda2012]

@@stephenglasse9756I would say that’s not doing anything.

[@stephenglasse9756]

@@MsZelda2012 but he was told the police WERE investigating. Here's a narrative for you: it's Welby's first year in office, he's stressed out of his mind, he's got a million & one things to handle inc things worse than Smyth, the Smyth report lands on his desk *and he's told the police are already on it.* He thinks, I've got genocide, rape, famine, gov' policy, services, interfaith meetings... you know what? I'm just going to let the police deal with this since they're already 'on it'"

[@stephenglasse9756]

MsZelda But he was told the police WERE investigating Smyth so maybe he just decided, I've got genocide, rape, gov' policy, services, interfaith meetings etc to deal with so I'm going to let the police deal with Smyth since they're already 'on it' and they are even better at investigation

[@Whiteraven-m1p]

@stephenglasse9756 Oh my days...Can you hear yourself 🤣

[@NickNick-tp5cr]

It's not just Welby though is it? There are any number of clergy and possibly admin who've known since 1981. All of them should go.

[@Whiteraven-m1p]

@@NickNick-tp5cr yes

[@Whiteraven-m1p]

Welby should be arrested for withholding information...I'm so disgusted at the church..This is the reason people stop going..Filth

[@jessicadubois9945]

This is humans, not God. Don’t abandon God.

[@Whiteraven-m1p]

@jessicadubois9945 where was God when all those boys were being sexually abused and beaten?

[@Whiteraven-m1p]

@jessicadubois9945 where was God when all those boys were beaten and abused by his own messengers?

[@lerhodes2236]

@@Whiteraven-m1p They are not messengers from God just because they declare to be! The abuse of children and vulnerable adults has occurred in many religions! Many have rightly abandoned religious organisations because of the wicked hypocrisy. Matthew 7: 21-23

[@michelehamilton961]

@@jessicadubois9945 The Anglican Church is not God. It is a human institution. And the young people who were abused and ignored were part of the church.

[@Whiteraven-m1p]

He didn't quit..he got sacked

[@scinformation7229]

Maybe by the King? Well done your majesty.

[@ingerfaber3411]

@@scinformation7229 He is a close friend of William and KC3

[@trevorclarey3336]

Never had faith in that church or any other , & he will still walk away with a good payout , you watch .

[@Whiteraven-m1p]

@@trevorclarey3336 the Kings best Fri

[@richardwait1206]

These kids were at Winchester College when being abused in the 1980s onwards. What were the headmaster & teaching staff doing surely they must have knowledge of what was happening to the children in their care.

[@Whiteraven-m1p]

@@richardwait1206 I bet they all knew what went on.

[@manichairdo9265]

One school did ban the deviant from the school and barred him from making any contact with any pupils.

[@willowtree9291]

Good question

[@barbarajones9385]

@manichairdo Problem is that while he was banned from one school, he just moved on to another school. Schools need to be mandated to inform all educational authorities as well as police when they become aware of abuse. Private schools often operate to a different agenda ie protect the (fee-paying) school. Even within state schools, a blind eye is often turned where wrongdoing has taken place.

[@phabebarcelona863]

A,question thats needs to be address

[@manichairdo9265]

Did any parents intervene? The brutality of the rancid savage was unbelievable. I hope they reopen the case of the 16 year old lad who died. How the depraved psycho got off with the charges should be investigated. It freed the perverted wolf in lamb's clothing to go to yet another country and.....

[@michelehamilton961]

@manichair9265 When we may not for sure, I can say in the RCC that often when parents come forward they are disregarded, gaslighted and sometimes even threatened.

[@DorWest-p3m]

I never had faith in the church of religion

[@lourinabotha4898]

In South Africa, if you are aware of child abuse and don't report it and the abuse continues, you could be criminally liable. Will people who knew and did nothing, or even worse, intentionally covered it up, be criminally charged?

[@manichairdo9265]

I hope so.

[@willowtree9291]

@lourinabotha4898 I am not sure if that is the law here (although it should be).

[@alicemiller2380]

Yes, vicars today just consider the job an industry with great benefits 😢

[@notthatkindofanglican]

not all of us do!

[@SoyyodavidZzxy]

How are they going to find anyone in leadership with clean hands. Gonna have to elevate a local vicar.

[@pugwash84]

There needs to be more safe guarding rules and procedure. Also this guy needs investigating by the police, how many other abuses does he know about and has not reported ?

[@CosmicSeeker69]

Waste of time, ALL the police chiefs and top judges are in the same gang. Look at the Jill D.ando situation.... W

[@fionacowieson334]

Faith in Jesus is a personal belief The buildings and people are an organisation with all the failings of any organistion

[@LondonBrazilianDancers]

Church of England vicars always struck me as more wardens than priests... I thought I was alone in this...

[@brogsbunny]

There are many godly Anglican ministers in various countries as well as ungodly ones who are just in it for a job.

[@misssparkle8317]

Get radical woke liberal politics OUT of religion, healthcare, education, law and policing

[@Bickle121]

How is it woke? You have a religious old institution that's basically allowing pedos to roam and you are crying about wokeness, clown

[@williamdew7143]

Tell your imaginary deity, who was 'wokeness' personified.

[@kelechiaguocha6125]

This is the most accurately delusional comment ever. The man was torturing young boys for decades!!! 70s, 80s, 90s, ‘00s and your response is to “get the radical woke liberal politics OUT of religion.” He tortured young boys in Britain and then was “allowed” to relocate to The Continent of Africa to further torture young African people under the guise of the “church.” By your logic, chattel slavery was a great institution and it was the “woke abolitionists” who ruined your religious fairytale 🤡

[@neilsumner4575]

Get made up nonsense out of your head mate

[@SFRZRD]

This stuff has been in the various churches for centuries pal. Before any wokeness.

[@darrensmall5548]

As a survivor of sexual abuse in childhood I am overwhelmed by the amount of cover ups exposed in the news right now.. every time I turn on the news , TV or radio all I get is constant reminders of just how many sexual predators get away with their crimes, whilst us survivors struggle every day with PTSD of the trauma. Just as we got to learn about Al-fyed we learn about Smyth not to mention all those at the BBC Edwards and Saville etc etc

[@cyoung7031]

🙏💐 So very sorry to hear that you were a victim, darrensmall5548 🙏 💐Wishing you all the best from the land down under 🙌

[@Whiteraven-m1p]

@@darrensmall5548 so sorry to hear this 😞

[@juliet7703]

So sorry what you went through Darren.You must be sick to death hearing this time after time. Stay blessed 💓

[@phabebarcelona863]

Pray for Justice n Healing

[@scinformation7229]

Last time I tried to attend evensong, it had been replaced by an "art exhibition and tour of the church, plus wine". If they started to employ vicars who are only slightly aware of what they are meant to be doing, that would be a start. This vicar was preaching a course on "social justice", but I bet you already got that.

[@deanjames2476]

How can you loose faith in something thats not even a real religion just something created by a king so he could get divorced

[@geoffgoodall3839]

If you place your faith in a body of people or an institution its misplacedfaith comes by hearing the word of God and the word is Jesus Christ.If the Gospel is preached first and foremost that is the true church.

[@killbotone6210]

The religion of love strikes again.

[@trudimcburney1331]

No good saying you thought it was sorted. Thats a childs answer. Honest and concious. This man was in another countryfrom 2013 until his death. Sorry not good enough

[@daviddavies8637]

Harriet says "...I do not know why we call this abuse..." from a solicitor who became an MP, then a minister and she now sits in that rubbish place the house of misfits, sorry lords. So a well educated, legally qualified and with decades of parliament experience she thinks that what Smyth did to boys and young men was not abuse, what does that indicate ??? I would have thought those in charge of inviting panelists onto the J.V programs would have looked at their "A List names" for notes or highlights regarding details and subject matter, specifically considering this programs main subject. There should have been a point of interest detailing that Harriet Harman had worked for NCCL (Liberty) - along with her late husband Jack Dromey and Patricia Hewitt, before any of them become Labour MP's - and that PIE, Pedophile Information Exchange had affiliation with NCCL around that time. PIE campaigned for relaxation of many rules, even the abolition of the age of consent. It was somewhat secret but popular in London and the south east with guys who had influential friends in privileged places. Look PIE up, if you did not know before, you will be surprised at its history, start with Wikipedia but then look deeper. Back to the J.V. program, at the beginning of this program Harriet says "...I do not know why we call this abuse..." a mother, a solicitor, who became an MP, a minister and she now sits in that rubbish place the house of misfits, sorry lords. If this is not blocked I will be amazed, but please, open ones eyes and see what this world is becoming, and that means going back a very long time,. Those in power talk amazingly well, but what goes through parliament is not really what the public expect, and those pulling the strings are not to be seen, just as they want. Welby should have taken personal action and then reported the abuse when he first knew about it which was well before 2013, that is why he has only now "resigned." Those in positions that have quietly stepped up the ladder, most of them look after themselves, whilst still looking above. But I bet, even the CofE, must have something similar to what the political party whips keep and use, "a little black book" which is there for those they decide to protect. God Bless.

[@lerhodes2236]

👏👏👏

[@johntate5722]

Totally with yiu on your overall views but tbh in some mitigation i think she gets a bit confused. I think shes striving first of all for a more serious word than "abuse" - shes says violent criminal assault, but later in that statement she does say "this abuse". So i think theres a degree of confusion or careless phraseology. But yes, in the past, naive lefties have been hoodwinked by vile "victim culture" men

[@stanbily9416]

Jeremy needs investigating too!

[@sandiehollis5138]

Jeremy who

[@2ndBirth]

"the church" could meet in each others homes if we wanted to. The church is not the building, the church go to the building to meet up. The church is the congregation. Those who follow Jesus. Jesus warned about wolves in sheep's clothing. Much of what is seen as the visible church, is in name only. There is a standard, it's in the bible. We can't compromise on it and the gospel itself is offensive. Yet so many of these "leaders" just suck up to a dying world enjoying, being seen to be spiritual. Yet really they are as Jesus put it "full of dead mens bones and all corruption". Jesus hated the religious hypocrites when He walked the earth during his earthly ministry. Oh, and Jesus rose from the dead and is alive forever more !! Glory !!

[@Christine-j7b]

The Gates of Hell will not prevail against the 'True Church', the One Jesus is building from living building stones made without hands! If you lose faith because of being disappointed by men then your faith is built on the wrong foundation.

[@brogsbunny]

Well said Christine.

[@darrencartledge6530]

Lost faith in fantasy and pure fiction.give over.

[@anthonymarlowe6986]

Jesus is a fictional characters who never existed.

[@SueCarr-q8n]

He is historically documented

[@makingdisciplesuk]

If the matter was referred to the police, who in the police force didn't act upon it. They should resign too.

[@jamesbomd3503]

The way they have treated the mentally ill And the vulnerable is even worse but that will all come out in the Wash eventually if I were the Church of England I start selling some of those properties There's going to be a lot of hush money payouts In the next few weeks

[@SJ72BE]

Yes and where was Queen Elizabeth as head of the AC, she must have known

[@jonriley8342]

It’s so difficult to look at the photograph of this monster. Shame indeed on Arch Bishop. How many names will crop up now?

[@carolinewaterstone2624]

After all their colluding snd conniving to cover up Smyrhe’s snd other church abusers’ crimes, the bishops have no moral authority and therefore should have no right to sit and make laws in the House of Lords. A disgusting anachronism! Get them out!

[@wtrujillo9250]

amazing how they all take 'responsibility' after they are caught....... everyone finds jesus in jail......lol the hypocrisy and BS. bet he has a great pension/retirement plan that won't be touched.

[@rachaelhogan7850]

Why am I surprised ISNT this the archbishop who supported defended all the illegal immigrants coming in illegally ? And there switch to Christian faith so they could stay here

[@alexojideagu]

Never had faith in it in the first place

[@annemcniell6956]

Charles personally prefers Coptic Christianity, I can’t remember where I found this information but it was a reliable source.

[@heytigers3104]

Makes sense

[@homemaintenance1234]

Yes.

[@bonniegrafstein5701]

Wonder what Harry has on him? I never understood why Welby didn't Strongly call out mm for her Lies. Didn't make sense. This is deep.

[@michealhunt6607]

Jesus christ (pun intended), that's your whole take away from this?. Some brain numbing dumb family feud? 'Deep?', for a demented braindead royalist maybe?

[@wdd910]

What Is the Church? Not an institution!

[@audspod1]

This reminds me of how a football manager has to resign because the team is not doing its job!! Why blame the manager??!! There are obviously more problems here! I believe Justin Welby should have been allowed to stay and sort out the problems. He is here and now and knows the problems. Bringing someone else in only kicks the can down the road!🙏

[@brogsbunny]

There are two churches..the bible believing one and the heretical one.

[@macmachine]

What I can't believe is how many boys gave into the old goat. At 14 a guy tried the same thing with me and I stamped his foot. He freaked out but did nothing, avoiding me afterwards

[@Grrreeeeeeeeeeeew]

If he was strong he wouldn't have quit the church

[@giaimojessica]

Have you lost faith in Church? I never believed in Church

[@AlexanderRowe-po4nt]

He saw the King and Charles said he had to go. Really? Andrew? Charles brother?

[@iaindouglas4829]

Never had any

[@morrisseyscat3959]

We need the Donald👌

[@neilsumner4575]

Duck?

[@LeastQualifiedInHistory]

Harriet Harman was she involved with PIE?

[@maximoo9861]

Yes she was a legal officer for the National Council for Civil Liberties between 78 and ,82 when it was infiltrated by paedophiles who wanted to legalise sex between adults and children. What a hypocrite talking now about the awful Justin Welby

[@deanjames2476]

Yes I believe so

[@veganvivjones4655]

@@deanjames2476 Was all over the papers when she was on their front cover. Gary Waterman is in the throws of exposing these sons of you know what's, as we speak.

[@matthewleaman9326]

There all involved in serious crimes, look at the catholic church crimes its disgusting. 😢

[@iainrae6159]

What's the point of clergy and Bishops ?

[@wright661]

God is the all powerful head of the church. Perhaps he should consider resignation?.

[@JelMain]

He committed suicide, almost 2000 years ago. There is some indication that He did resign in 2004.

[@Christine-j7b]

God is not mocked.

[@neilsumner4575]

​@@Christine-j7bgod should be sacked he's charge it's an outrage 🤣

[@JelMain]

@@Christine-j7b Nobody's mocking Him. Just the Pantomime Dames who claim to be our moral authorities.

[@Christine-j7b]

@@neilsumner4575 the god of this world is the devil. Jesus told us that. We have to change ownership.

[@phabebarcelona863]

100 per cent Jesus versus Religousty instiuitions

[@slytlygufy]

Anglicans, come home to Holy Orthodoxy.

[@annucoco6830]

Diana madness?

[@annucoco6830]

Look they have killed

[@jasongracey6589]

I've lost faith with you all,,,absolutely disgusting

[@salmak586]

Islam is the only way

[@brogsbunny]

To what? have you studied the life of Mohammad?

[@reginamiles9514]

WAKE UP! Webly is a saint compared to Mohammad... Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life

[@macmachine]

Yes because we know how kind to young boys and white working class girls that religion is.