Well There's Your Problem | Episode 156: The Ultimate Urban Circulator

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[@devon1854]

Lowered the noise by 5db in this one. Let me know if its still affecting people with misophonia- and if so, any suggestions for a different noise

[@Critical_Hit]

I think this should be a pinned comment

[@aqua_noodle]

I am engaging with this comment so it is pushed higher up

[@Skullair313]

Please keep it exactly like that

[@EmyrDerfel]

The star trek sliding door noise you recreate by pressing your nose on one side to close one nostril, and exhaling sharply.

[@BenedictHarcourt]

Not misophonia here but quite sensitive hearing; I didn't want to complain previously, but I find this level a lot less jarring

[@lukeman9851]

"If this was done by organized crime they would have actually delivered a better product, and it would be cheaper too." Oh for the Huey Long timeline

[@slytown]

And Tammany Hall?

[@QuarrelsomeLocalOaf]

You have 15 minutes to move your bus Your bus has been impounded Your bus has been crushed into a cube You have 15 minutes to move your cube

[@TheAdmantArchvile]

Is it about my cube?

[@EmyrDerfel]

we've been trying to contact you about the extended warranty for your cube...

[@flintironstag7722]

what do they crush the cube into?

[@flyingskier1913]

you have one hour to move your bus 15 miles. your bus has been impounded. etc.

[@novaiscool1]

​@@flintironstag7722a smaller cube

[@jayvillemin]

Sounds like the whole point of autonomous vehicles is to move small amounts of people around, and to move large amounts of money around

[@user-cr4sc1ht9t]

They've destroyed middle class and specialized in doing so so thoroughly that there are no real engineering projects to pour investments to

[@georgemachappy]

Please god we need the "state of train simulators" Rocz griping bonus episode

[@yourpalfred]

I'm waiting with bated breath PLEASE

[@ankhtahr1401]

I feel the need to plug ZuSi 3 here, the most German piece of software ever created. Looks utter dogshit, the menu feels like using Windows 98 Explorer, but if you want to simulate German railroads there is just nothing better. If you want to simulate anything else though, well, tough luck. And the name is literally just an abbreviation of "Zugsimulator" => Train simulator.

[@kylenoyes6390]

I will sign up to the Patreon for at least a month or two JUST for this bonus episode

[@charonsferryold]

You know a genre is hopeless when the indie games that start as passion projects intended to phase out the insane money-grabs that dominate it proceed to painfully morph into money-grabs

[@spaguettoltd.7933]

Oh god. I considered writing in with to pitch myself as a guest on an episode about these “glass toasters.” I worked on a project with these a couple years ago, and Jesus fuck do they suck. I wrote a report (pending publication) about them, and shouted out your podcast in my acknowledgments. Without getting into specifics, I wouldn’t be alive today if it weren’t for WTYP. You three got me through that project. Ultimately, I decided I rather like working with the org I do, so I didn’t reach out to talk. But I look forward to hearing a guest who knows less than I do butcher specifics that would get me fired if I talked about them.

[@TuesdaysArt]

How do you rate the level of commentary on these glass toasters?

[@thomasgiles2876]

I have one question: Where is the crumple zone?

@@thomasgiles2876 They have the famous full body crumple zones

[@ReallyNotAGoose]

In todays episode of "just build a damn train" we have...

[@jbutler8585]

We have someone who builds novelty PC cases and got really ambitious.

[@LifesNeverHumDrum]

@@jbutler8585oh god you nailed it, it looks like a custom pc kit

[@lukeman9851]

Vehicle Agnostic: when you don't claim to know whether such a thing as vehicles exist or not. As distinct from Pheroism/Apheroism which are whether or not you *believe* at least one vehicle exists, and Vehicle Gnosticism which is the belief that vehicles contain a spark of the divine within themselves, which has fallen from the immaterial world into their chassis (which were not made directly by the divine, but by a subordinate creator, humans. [This is the predominant religious tradition in the Cars Cinematic Universe])

[@LeCharles07]

Praise the Omnissiah!

[@literatzi]

I cackled at Devon's "It's a Technical" comment when they were discussing the moon rover.

[@WeaponOfMyDestructio]

The Ultimate Urban Circulator was what they called my Aunt in the 80s.

[@EmyrDerfel]

she got around, huh?

[@thomasdjonesn]

Giggity

[@Tundra_Hunter]

Zinger

[@WeaponOfMyDestructio]

​@@EmyrDerfeland came on time

[@xmlthegreat]

​@@WeaponOfMyDestructioJesus Christ my dude 😂

[@lukeman9851]

"Agent Orange but orange-er" Call that Agent Morange

[@42PalaceOfWisdom42]

"Agent...I was trying to think of, like, an orange monster" The callback Agent OJ was right there

[@outistynnanyt5153]

4:45 Petitioning Devon to publish their Joker Laugh Rozmix

[@MrTrainman96]

The best part of hypothetical technologies is that you can say they'll do anything. They aren't burdened by things like "reality" and "experience".

[@LifesNeverHumDrum]

They’re all made of indestructible Renderite

[@andrewrollason4963]

FM vs AM

[@CanIswearinmyhandle]

I googled "who's the guy who ties women to traintracks" and it is Snidely Whiplash. Also his wikipedia page reads "Whiplash is obsessed with tying young women to railroad tracks; he has no reason to do so and realizes no gain, profit or advantage, but is simply compelled to do it."

[@theangryholmesian4556]

This is my design.

[@geoffreyentwistle8176]

I love the acknowledgement that it makes NO practical sense whatsoever, but it's just kind of his THING, so... 😂

[@artistwithouttalent]

More accurate portrayal of OCD compulsions than Monk.

[@nonplaced]

Congratulations on episode 1156🎉

[@Orangefan77]

*I understood that reference*

[@Bob-Jenkins]

I did not

[@Orangefan77]

@Bob-Jenkins from the Camp Fire episode right before this. "Take every number we say and multiply it by 10" but not an *exact* quote

[@Orangefan77]

Or 1000, like I said not an exact quote. That episode was long enough that I watched it in chunks

[@mrpieceofwork]

These cowards changed it!

[@lukeman9851]

In case nobody else has answered regarding the Chained To A Railway trope, from TV Tropes: "This familiar scenario first appeared in the 1867 short story "Captain Tom's Fright," although a more rudimentary form of it was seen on stage in 1863 in the play The Engineer. However, it really entered the meme pool as a result of its inclusion in the 1867 play Under the Gaslight, by Augustin Daly. (Interestingly, in Gaslight the victim is a male, not a fair maiden - and is in fact rescued by the fair maiden.) By 1868, it reportedly could be found in five different London plays all running at the same time, and remained a theatre staple for decades. Variations of this trope was used in the films The Train Wreckers (1905) and Buster in Nodland (1912) before appearing in its most iconic form in the 1913 Keystone Komedy film Barney Oldfield's Race For A Life, where it was already Played for Laughs" "As bizarre (and horrible) as it may seem, this trope is Truth in Television. At least six people in the United States were killed between 1874 and 1910 as a result of being tied to railroad tracks. Of course, it was never as common in real life as in fiction, no doubt because there are more efficient ways of murdering people." For more information: www.straightdope.com/21343402/did-anyone-really-ever-get-tied-to-railroad-tracks

[@grmpEqweer]

So the theater trope likely spawned real-life incidents?

[@jacobvardy]

I was going to add that that the footage everyone is thinking of is from 'The Perils of Pauline' but i though i'd better check. However, since that part of the film didn't survive, the famous shot must be from another film.

[@LeCharles07]

@@grmpEqweer or someone read a news article and got morbid inspiration.

[@rubydelgadillo8978]

Guys what if we ran a bunch of larger electric busses on a sort of electrified rail to save on battery cost that would be crazy i think

[@chunk2689]

Nly if the batteries are charged by a diesel generator

[@joshuasutherland6692]

We salute Nly Bly.@@chunk2689

[@grmpEqweer]

Or you could run an electrified wire...wait for it...OVERHEAD! it's just crazy enough to work!

[@selanryn5849]

@@grmpEqweerHooray for trolleybuses!

[@Elizabeth2445A]

@@selanryn5849 even better: Kerb Guided Trolleybus, like the system Essen had at one point

[@conors4430]

As someone who happens to be blind, I’m always grateful for Justin‘s consideration of access issues and not just the economics or productivity/efficiency of these things. At the end of the day, they need to be made for a wide range of human activities. Plenty of disabled people can get around, they just don’t live in a built environment that allows it to happen easily. Same as people who want to be able to walk or cycle, and they don’t live in a built environment that allows them access.

[@Capitanvolume]

My father moved to canada from the ussr in 1984. He said that the oj simpson case was the moment he learned if you're rich you can do what ever you want.

[@grmpEqweer]

True in Russia now, too. (Unless doing what you want includes crossing Putin.) Your dad missed it.

[@Capitanvolume]

@@grmpEqweer he lived in the time of political connections. His great uncle was the director of a regional gas utility and he had all sorts of benefits from that position but wasn't rich. Being a decorated veteran of the great patriotic war helped his career a lot.

[@lukeman9851]

"And now, Perry the Platypus, behold! The Ultimate Urban Circulator! Or 'Yute-ussy' as I hear the youth are calling it for short."

[@pixeljacked8047]

Should of been circulinator

[@ThePwnageHobo]

Where's the tray? A ute needs a tray

[@deeznoots6241]

Who getting their U-2ussy ate?

[@madmanmortonyt4890]

​@@pixeljacked8047nah, nah, they'd call it the circulator-inator

[@SomeThingOrMaybeAnother]

Americans reinvented Eastern European minibuses that privately supplemented underfunded municipal transport. From 20+ years ago. But this time with obscene amount of public funding. And failing at it. Bravo.

[@sandorbaja4323]

Come on, we also did spend an obscene amount of public funding too in Eastern Europe :)

[@MrJimheeren]

@@sandorbaja4323but in the end. You have a great metro. Hungary is a shit hole in every sense of the word, the metro is Budapest is very nice though (and the oldest of Europe)

[@charonsferryold]

Oh we have minibuses too, they're also dogshit. We build them using the chassis and front body of our shitty oversized pickups, that's not even a joke. The ride quality is best described as like the mechanical bull rides at carnivals.

[@LudicrousBarchart]

Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how easy it is to type WTYP on a QWERTY keyboard?

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

Except that dastardly P. Makin me chicken peck.

[@jonathandellasantina7715]

Did you know? The QWERTY keyboard was actually designed with the letters in WTYP on the top row so it'd be easier for salesmen to demonstrate it

[@robertbalazslorincz8218]

Depends on what language, if it's English yeah but I have a Hungarian keyboard and the Y key is like two rows down while the P is all the way across the keyboard

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

WTYP, WKUK - love an easy jumble of letters.

[@grizzly3793]

​@@jonathandellasantina7715 There's a probably fake claim around that the ... oh wait that's what you were going for.

[@UltraMasterSword]

I hadn't realized I was in a coma for 10 years. Glad to see the world is still here

[@disgruntledfaerie]

You still are! This is your call to wake up! Just please wake up, homie.

[@Pellagrah]

@@disgruntledfaerie Dude, you blew it. We weren't supposed to tell him until 2027!

[@emorykj3158]

I like that we have Devon's commentary static sound back! I like having the reminder to look up from time to time

[@chunk2689]

👏👏👏

[@TrashHeapCustodian]

yeah I'm glad there's an indicator of their lil interjections and jokes, even if the psychos in the discord sent emails to the crew threatening legal action under the ADA if they didn't change it

[@jeepo500]

I hate it. Could be a better sound, maybe a few milliseconds of shaking hands with danger or the Soviet anthem.

[@wakaa5172]

⁠@@TrashHeapCustodianLmao, the email was just *recommendations* for a replacement sound from an accessibility and ADA specialist. Not sure from where you manifested the legal threat part. And also Liam has outright asked for recommendations for a replacement. Maybe next time try to not make shit up? It’s not that hard.

[@ebolapie]

​@@TrashHeapCustodianI do not believe the ADA applies to podcasts regardless

[@ajaces96]

I somehow found myself in a conversation at work yesterday with a chud about Palestine. He said so confidently "well I remember 9-11" to justify what was happening and while I was unpacking that the supervisor came in to ask what we were talking about. I said Palestine, to which he responded "oh, that's like the Taliban right?"

[@theangryholmesian4556]

Jesus.

[@cortanathelawless1848]

I mean considering 9/11 killed 4 thousand Americans and the USA killed 300.000 civilians in the middle east in retaliation. So yeah kinda.

[@platedlizard]

Truly people live in their own worlds

[@oiytd5wugho]

This reminds me of an anecdote in a video I saw yesterday: a _Libyan_ scientist wearing a _Palestinian_ Keffiyeh being told to go back to _Syria._ Those words are like woke/sjw/dei/crt ti them - all the same shit

[@TalesOfWar]

Morons are everywhere. And they have the right to vote.

[@godspellflowerfr5991]

1:57:50 easily the best part of the ep so far is finding out, after all the desperate shifting to get this stupid plan to even work, that the vans still only go 10 miles per hour. Hearing November cackling over it is like the cherry on top omg

[@permafrostyx]

WOW i missed 1000 episodes happy episode 1156 i need to catch up now

[@thecalham]

In a semi drunk state this had me so excited now I'm sad and more drunk

[@permafrostyx]

@@thecalham oh sorry pal

[@thomaspalazzolo5902]

This thing looks adorable, like a vending machine tipped over and tried to make a break for it.

[@jsrodman]

I appreciate that Devon's sound has been reduced to conserve sonic energy for the ultimate takeover.

[@marcusmatus8151]

Yo dev please keep the Devon hit marker it's how I know I need to stop and rewind to see what you said. A true generational talent in looking good in any outfit like you deserves to be heard

[@OutbackCatgirl]

look it isn't going away, it's just changing to not activate misophonia in people

[@shanefoster2132]

Love the guest. He is much like a train. He is singularly focused on one path, no tangents, in an efficient manner. If not for the delays of our hosts, this could have been a 90-minute episode.

[@TaliaJohnson]

In Toronto the transit union has been fighting against single operator subways for years. Recently there was a fire on a train and it showed why two people are necessary in emergencies. Only one person means that part of the train can be cut off from the operator in an emergency. A problem when evacuating passengers.

[@Frommerman]

People forget that airline stewards aren't there to sell you drinks. They're there to evacuate the plane, and sell you drinks in the downtime.

[@Skullair313]

Honestly, I don't think a 2-person crew is needed on subways/streetcars for safety reasons, provided Automatic train control is present. Modern fire safety standards and safe train operations are make accidents where this could help very rare. When it comes to security during off peak night hours, that is something different.

[@rogan7019]

"Faith-based transportation system" with all the other shit happening, we're really speedrunning to the 40k timeline.

[@AbsolXGuardian]

The STC for trains was lost eons ago and reinventing it is the cause of 40 percent of all contemporary tech hersey

[@charonsferryold]

​@@AbsolXGuardian I've been saying that if you want to do the whole bit of seeing trains as gods, the modern world becomes a LOTR style fantasy story where the gods abandoned the world and left it to decay

[@PrettyH8Mach1n3]

The earliest I've been and I still missed the title typo. In another universe, there truly were 1156 episodes.

[@josejaimes-ramos1546]

How long would that take them?

[@dftp]

​@@josejaimes-ramos1546Well they've been going for about 4 years and we're at EP 156, so that's about 39 EPs a year, at this rate we'll reach EP 1156 in about 25 and a half years At that point the gang's probably gonna talk about how badly Super NATO is fucking up the resource wars against the Greater Asian People's Confederation or something.

[@josejaimes-ramos1546]

@dftp inshallah it shall be so.

[@massivepileup]

The first JDAM bus looks like the spiritual successor to the Fiat Multipla

[@jimbrown5091]

I was in college during the OJ trial. We brought a TV into the lobby of the engineering building to watch the verdict. It was a very surreal moment, especially since I went to an HBCU.

[@shannonophelan3440]

Reminds me of Seattle's recent new street car from nowhere to nowhere in particular. The South Lake Union Transit has not been popular. Apparently no one wanted to be seen riding the SLUT...

[@jakob8922]

As a computer scientist I find the current trend of trying to make software do more and more safety critical tasks incredibly concerning. While to a computer scientist not all software is a black box, to a layman all software is a black box. Since computer scientist are not typically the ones operating these systems it means more and more very important tasks are being handled by something that the average operator has very little to no ability to properly monitor.

[@timothystamm3200]

And then you add machine learning to these autonomous vehicles. It's so stupid.

[@twynb]

and then everyone starts trying to jam "AI" into it, which is not only bound to fuck up in numerous ways, but also is a black box to everyone, by definition. what could possibly go wrong?

[@timothystamm3200]

@twynb yeah what I said because "AI" is just machine learning rebranded. This is the stupidest bubble in history.

[@Shredderbox]

156 episodes and the Activate Windows watermark is still the backbone of this podcast. ✊🏻

[@Tehstroyer]

Now it has an additional guest in form of the CCleaner pop-up. Let's see if it returns to the show.

[@thomasgiles2876]

It can't be a trainwreck. It's not a train, it's a pod.

[@bobsmith2637]

Now THIS is podracing!

[@thomasgiles2876]

@@bobsmith2637 Now THIS is Podcasting Volume 18 Including: The RBG Laugh ● The Hot Vat of Acid Episode ● AmTrak prefrence rants AND MUCH MORE!!!

[@ottosturm7224]

so it's a podwreck

[@LeafseasonMagbag]

This podcast teaches socially responsible belligerence and that is invaluable

[@origulator]

the *"I ALREADY DO IT THROUGH AN APP"* moment was the angriest I've ever heard Justin before

[@dxb338]

this is gonna put Jacksonville on the map with Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook

[@grmpEqweer]

So I'm looking at this box-thingy and thinking it might be ok for urban centers? ...But trolleys, run off an overhead catenary, have been doing the same thing. This for over 100 years, with no batteries.

[@c.djinmyr]

Only 2 minutes in, and I can't stop seeing the face on that "circulator" 🤣

[@grmpEqweer]

It looks like it's smiling. Probably done on purpose.

[@LifesNeverHumDrum]

It’s so threatening, I hate it

[@HululusLabs]

I've ridden those automated rubber tired trains in Taipei. They were my favorite as a child, as you can sit at the very front and pretend to be the driver. The view of the city you get and the silence and ride quality are great! They are above-ground only and don't connect with the rest of the metro system, and are much slower (although luckily the stations are extremely close together).

[@lyndonwesthaven6623]

Me when I get the front seat on top of the double decker bus

[@SpeedOfTheEarth]

It's literally an electric battery bus that went was reverse stretch limousined😂

[@MikeManfeld19]

The incredible irony that Jacksonville got Simpsons Monorail episoded, to get rid of their monorail. This will never not be hilarious.

[@ColumbaMacFearghas]

I watched The Naked Gun 2 1/2 yesterday and when OJ appeared on the screen I stood up and clapped.

[@ArsenicApplejuice]

The OJ case set an influential precedent. The court established its not possible for murderers to own ill fitting items of clothing

[@ebnertra0004]

1:51:45 Is this an 'autonomous' marshrutka now? Also, the thing with wheelchair lifts (as a rural transit driver who uses them daily) is that they break. Regularly. They are Rube Goldberg machines made up of hydraulic parts and too many microswitches

[@FFontes]

@1:57:50 The way November straight-up bursted out laughing is the episode's highlight.

[@unistrut]

Have we ever gotten a good joker laugh out of Liam? We've got Roz and Nova...

[@frederf3227]

An autonomous pod describing autonomous pods. The future is Chrome and you need more RAM.

[@dominicspier6917]

Love that cities will bend over backwards to not build trains but sink (probably) way more money on this nonsense. Like they acknowledge that they need public transportation but refuse to actually fix the problem (with trains lol)

[@warheadsnation]

I don't know how many times I have to explain this to Easterners, but in a city like mine where the weather is horrible, we don't want to walk more than three blocks to a bus. If we use trains instead, we'd have to have rail lines every 6 blocks. My city is 600 square miles in area. Train tracks are expensive to build with 21st century labor. So my city has about three rail lines after 20 years of building. Taking a bus to a train means an hour long trip to anywhere.

[@grmpEqweer]

​@@warheadsnation trolleybuses are a cheaper alternative, but then you have to buy tires.

[@theendoftheworldhasbeenqui2485]

@@warheadsnation bruv, I live in london, needless to say it rains quite often here. you're fine to walk to the train station when it's pissing down. most the time you need to commute to and from work 5 days a week, and do not have a choice to wait until the rain is gone. urban light rail systems are so much more efficient than any other mass transit in large cities. you'll do a lot better walking a few streets in the rain than 2 hours in traffic

[@CreamyPennePasta]

JTA is a shitshow. They “accidentally” demoed the building that had all of the historical photos, blueprints, books, and plans showing how efficient a street car system would’ve been. That’s a whole other story. They had a full dump truck full of maps, charts, financial records, uniforms, coin changers etc… They hauled it all to the north side landfill in 1980 because “it became a threat to the skyway.” Here’s a bit of history about our former streetcar system They left the rails in much of town as Motor Transit Co (GM, Standard Oil, Phillips 66, Firestone, Greyhound) had zero interest in them. Some were dug out during WWII scrap drives. I remember a maze of switch work @ Dellwood and Rosselle (under the freeway today) Aberdeen’s rails were pulled leaving the telling brick patches. From Willow Branch south to Ortega and the Army Base it was mostly private right of way except in Fairfax and Grand Av. Track in the street had little value as it was all streetcar girder rail and the market for that was dead by 1937 until the 1990’s. Private RofW mostly used light weight 60-80 pound common T rail. The system closed in mid December 1936.

[@hobog]

There's a 20+ year-old website under University of Washington's edu domain that compiles all PRT tech and has tables comparing their aspects

[@5508Vanderdekken]

What is it?

[@NoPegs]

Wow! Can't wait to go back and listen to the 1,000 episodes that I somehow missed in the last two weeks. :3

[@sonorioftrill]

Two weeks? I fear you’ve been in a coma for over a century now, the current year is 2124.

[@screwaccountnames]

WTYP is my favorite autonomous podcast.

[@EmyrDerfel]

The podcast that kills you automatically.

[@joshuasutherland6692]

The soup-like homogonate that automatically podcasts.

[@GutsyTen42]

The rant about agile vs waterfall felt great. Yay Liam

[@devinfaux6987]

My favorite part about OJ's role in the Naked Gun movies was that it consisted almost entirely of him getting his ass kicked years before anyone knew the nation wanted to see that happen on the big screen.

[@marinary1326]

I'm convinced that at some point, someone is gonna come up with "autonomous" vehicles that are just remote controlled by some poor schmucks overseas like that "checkout-less" whole foods thing or whatever, and that's the closest we're ever gonna get to functional driverless vehicles

[@huckthatdish]

“Wouldn’t it be much better if our transit solution got stuck in traffic”

[@tarasaurus98]

I had the opportunity to move to Jacksonville a few years ago. I am so glad I avoided that fate, I probably would have died immediately.

[@illuindb]

1156?? damn i gotta catch up

[@taxirob2248]

8:52 the glove was leather and caked with dried blood, and he was wearing a latex glove during the courtroom demonstration. A new pair in the same size fit him fine. But yeah, those pigs were racist AF. The system didn't fail, the cops did.

[@timothystamm3200]

That and the Rodney King riots were recent so the racist pigs came off even worse. OJ was essentially used by the jury to send a message to the police, not that they learned anything.

[@Wickertop]

Devon, please release the Jokermode RBG laugh KZbin Poop as a separate video. Pleeeease.

[@TheOneSevenNine]

thank you for lowering the sound by 5db its a perfect sound now. nobody else will ever complain. if they do they'll have to get through me first

[@RedHotMessResell]

“He, a-him.” The Italian New Yorker came out of Justin there. 😂

[@napalmholocaust9093]

A way to only have 4 minutes for Saw between trains could be to drop a suspended structure on to the tracks. That would give all the setup time needed. A passing train at zero seconds pops a release and dumps it, essentially "start the clock", setting the stage and waking them up from being roofied, all in one.

[@platedlizard]

I'm really grateful that for as dumb as Portland, Oregon is in a lot of ways it was smart enough not to get sucked into autonomous light rail. We've got surface level trains (except that one station under the West Hills that's our only subway station and also the deepest subway station in the US lol) so each one has an engineer. It's a lot cheaper to put down rail on a street than build those raised tracks so more miles could be built for the same amount of money. And if AI ever gets to the point where a street-level train can run on autopilot then the trains can be retrofitted, and not a moment before hand (probably won't happen but whatever). We've had almost 40 years of development of the MAX, 60 miles of track, 97 stations, 1.26 million weekly riders (down from 1.83M in early 2020 😬) and that's just the trains. The bus system is even more extensive. Anyway, invest in public transit, use technologies that are proven, ignore dummies who try to lure you into unproven tech.

[@grmpEqweer]

Just curious: was that deep subway station designed to double as a nuclear shelter?

[@platedlizard]

@@grmpEqweerno, it was needed to connect the west side of the Portland metro area with the central and east side. The "West Hills" are more like a small, steep mountain range and the choice was to make a track with a ton of switchbacks while bulldozing a massive park and a bunch of rich people's homes, or just tunnel under it. The station has a 600ft elevator that emerges in the parking lot of Oregon Zoo with shuttle service to the Rose and Japanese Gardens and Forest Park. It's honestly a good place for a station, it's just very funny to me that our only subway station is that deep

[@LifesNeverHumDrum]

The rail system in Portland makes me so happy, I miss it

[@thomasdjonesn]

When I was a transit worker in the Sun Belt, Portland was thought of as a dream place to work if you could get it. Then, I got it. It's uh, well, a land of contrasts, to be sure, but I've spent more than ten years working on the light rail and streetcar systems, and the system is, despite its challenges, not Jacksonville. The majority of our challenges here have to do with the Feds swinging violently back and forth on funding and regulation. Dealing with them, and the state's equivalent, has definitely pushed me farther into the Cascadian separatist camp.

[@GormHornbori]

Using bus pods as "Urban Circulators" is just silly. Anyone thinking stuff like these can be used where normal subway, tram or bus lines are used, don't know a thing about cities. I do think they can be used in certain suburban/rural settings. Mainly as a feeder on side roads to normal bus stops etc. But the automation technology isn't here yet for even that use. I live in Trondheim, Norway and vehicles like this has been used in both Trondheim and Oslo. ("self-driving" but with a driver who can take over in emergencies. At a speed faster than walking but slower than my bicycle.) I never did ride it, but I did overtake it with my bicycle. The trials ended in 2019/2020. In Trondheim they were used from a car park and minor train station to the main hospital, a distance of 1-2km, crossing a bus only bridge (well bus/taxi/bicycles/pedestrians). Technically in traffic but pretty close to a controlled environment. Most adults will easily just walk (it's a very nice walk), but there some patients etc can be mobile enough to take the train (or drive?), but for who this walk is a little long. This route is now instead served as part of a much longer, major bus route. (Plus a lot of regional bus routes now has some departures extended to the hospital.) In Oslo it was similarly used to cover a couple of peninsulas with low density suburban housing, to bring people the nearest high frequency bus stop. There they had major problems with parked cars etc in this setting. And also because because there's a very popular beaches on the tip of the peninsulas, the tiny vehicles would be overfilled on nice days in the summer. As not quite a coincidence the exact same summer weekends near the beach is also peak illegal parking. The pods don't cope well with uneven demand, and the experiment was discontinued. I believe in both cities the trials concluded that new trials should be attempted when the technology is more mature. (At the positive side, the trials were budgeted as short term trials with leased vehicles and didn't use/(waste?) more money than they were supposed to.)

[@Critical_Hit]

I remember these buses in Oslo. They didn't impress me

[@jaypee9785]

*chicago house music voice* Its time for the Circulator Its time for the Circulator Its time for the Circulator Its time for the Circulator

[@rwrunning1813]

high quality reference

[@GaigeGrosskreutzGunClub]

Green Line Velvet

[@TheRealE.B.]

1:13:54 I remember one time when one of the suits asked me to make one of those damn evaluation matrices, and I flipped my shit. Those business school graduate failsons just LOVE their made-up numbers.

[@matthewbolan8154]

I look forward to the other 1000 episodes

[@alpani6805]

They were testing at the University of Rennes when I was there circa 2018, on a 800m or so back and forth route. There was a gay payed to stay in it all day and take control with an XBox controller, which happened about once every round trip. It'd stop everytime a car got to close or was parked wrong. You could also distance them by walking. Edit: just saw the typo, I'm leaving it

[@lyndonwesthaven6623]

Hired because of woke

[@raesifers]

my dream is to one day be the put-upon guest struggling to speak around the trio doing bits 😆

[@lyndonwesthaven6623]

It really make you appreciate how smoothly Rocz shifts between waiting out the heckling and forging ahead

[@DefendYoungstown]

"Ultimate News" needs additional explosions in the music drop!

[@alexroselle]

REAL NEWS 102.3 FM WE’RE NOT YOUR GRANNY’S NEWS STATION *explosions* NOTHING BUT HARD-HITTING NEWS >”radioactive” by imagine dragons starts playing

[@hardbodybrain]

Damn I missed a THOUSAND episodes?!

[@TalkingSoup]

i was just barely sentient enough to actually be watching the white bronco chase on tv. it was also the first time i heard a newscaster censor the N-word when reading that one memo from the cop. such wonderful childhood memories

[@jellepetje]

No news about funny angular Tesla imminent acceleration doom? This truly is 1000 episodes ahead!

[@EmyrDerfel]

"Apartheid Clyde's shit is broken in harmful ways" isn't really news any more.

[@lawrencejob]

To demystify autonomous vs automated - autonomous involves learning and feedback loops, automated means programmed for finite scenarios.

[@jodierye3011]

Snidely Whiplash from Dudly Doright. That's where the meme of the woman tied to the tracks comes from.

[@mrpieceofwork]

When I was a wee one, and on a trip through the CA central valley, I got to see a FART bus. No joke. FART.

[@platedlizard]

Seattle nearly had the SLUT, South Lake Union Transit, until someone pointed out the acronym

[@EmyrDerfel]

Fremont Area Rapid Transit?

[@grmpEqweer]

​@@EmyrDerfel If that's it, why did no one come up with a better acronym?😂

[@mrpieceofwork]

@@EmyrDerfel Fresno... but we were on the 80, so it was far from home

[@ValerieEnriquez]

1:11:23 Yay, November said the thing ("Make it more rigid.") and SHE WAS RIGHT.

[@biogamer1728]

I love how the ULTIMATE HUMAN MOVER is still just uncle Joey Rigatoni and his van.

[@NukaLemonade]

What if bus, but stupider and worse?

[@TheHannelorian]

I know I'm not alone, these episodes about impending structural issues are good. The best WTYP episodes have Rocz reading off a date after the dryest explanation of a machine/vehicle/structure's history.

[@MandibleBones]

If I ever submit a Safety Third, I'm going to be like "hold to run with train topic" and then name Gareth specifically.

[@archivalzone]

In the realm of things that absolutely do not need to be connected to the Internet, "Road" is pretty much at the top I think.

[@Cadmann778]

I think Roz is forgetting that a car was launched into space from Spain in 1973

[@mastermcchief3694]

"Devon will just edit out the first part of the podcast" UHHHH NO THEY WON'T LOL (thanks Devon >v0!!!) 💛

[@wdavem]

23:30 😂😂That photo of Nixon next to the BART train!! 😂😂 He looks completely hammered! I mean like the guy behind him is holding him up while he tries to stand on the obvious 'X' on the floor; as everyone else is getting on the train!! 🍸🥴🍸⚠🚆🤮

[@dskalfelan]

Celebrating 50 years of WTYP!

[@timothystamm3200]

Also, San Jose wants to try this for their airport connection to Diridon Station. The fact that the Government falls for scams is just ridiculous.

[@SamuraiMujuru]

The car with the weird wrap-around window is/was the Nissan Cube

[@grmpEqweer]

Toyota's version was the Scion Xb.

[@lostinthemasses]

@@grmpEqweer Yeah but the window didn't wrap around.

[@TrashGordon36]

Can't wait for the 1000 lost episodes on Patreon.

[@Kinzokugia]

Snidely Whiplash tied girls to tracks but I'm pretty sure it was a longstanding trope by then, but he's the one that looks nearly the same as Dick Dastardly

[@warbird1e1]

OJ also didn't take his meds so his hand swelled

[@EmyrDerfel]

The rubber glove "to avoid contaminating the evidence" was the key to it not fitting though.

[@OutbackCatgirl]

​@@EmyrDerfelexcept if you watch the footage it clearly fits still, just slightly tighter, and the guy is ham acting to pretend it's a struggle

[@katien.1219]

Thank god for second 1 arguing, helps me settle in for Car Bad.

[@ubermenschen01]

1:28:45 "Have faith in the Pod Emperor"