Well There's Your Problem | Episode 37: Costa Concordia

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[@denniseldridge2936]

Well this is my first listen of this podcast, and I must say I've learned a lot. Particularly, how **not** to conduct a podcast. Firstly, the concept, as stated in the name of the podcast, is of great interest to me. However, I quickly found this to be one of **those** podcasts, the sort which is almost unlistenable. The chief problem is that you are all great friends who had a few too many drinks one night and decided to start a podcast on a subject of mutual interest. This is great and all, but what happens is that you tend to lose focus at every turn, descending into irrelevant banter at the slightest hiccup. What's left is just a bunch of dudes yammering amongst themselves throwing around a bunch of idiotic in-jokes. If I wanted to hear that I'd go down the pub and eavesdrop on the conversation at the table next to me. Or even bring my own friends to create our own fun banter that no-one else would want to hear. It seems there's one fellow who is trying to stay on track, who is constantly sidetracked by a bunch of buffoons who seem intent on preventing the subject of the podcast from being at all fully explored. So I tune in to gain some insights on the Costa Concordia disaster, and I'm greeted with... just about anything but for almost thirty minutes of it. We've now got a picture of a cruise ship on the screen (huzzah!), but now we've been treated to a completely irrelevant rant on how the Tesla Model X is basically a Pontiac Aztek aesthetically (it isn't). If you wish to discuss that, great, but make it a separate section of the podcast, or even a whole episode unto itself. So with that in mind, here's some tips for you fellas: - Have a basic outline of subjects to be covered, their order and time to be devoted to them. This doesn't have to be to precise, but if you make an effort to stick to it, it will instill some discipline in the proceedings - Keep all discussions during segments relevant to the topic. So, if you find yourself inspired to discuss a particular thing which isn't directly related to the topic, make a mental note and bring it up at the appropriate time. - Watch the banter! It sounds great amongst yourselves in a pub, but only unto yourselves in said pub. There is room for amusing stories and jokes, but be mindful that your reason for being there is to advance the narrative and impart engineering knowledge regarding the stated topic. Work to support the topic leader and indeed do what you can to keep **him** on track as much as anything.

[@welltheresyourproblempodca1465]

you're absolutely right, and we're gonna completely reformat the podcast now to cater exclusively to your needs as opposed to our 22,000+ subscribers and 4500+ patrons, thanks for the advice

[@bytemega_]

@@welltheresyourproblempodca1465 if the pinned comment has been superseded by an even worse comment, do you replace it?

[@denniseldridge2936]

@@welltheresyourproblempodca1465 Awesome. Thanks 👍👍👍😍😍😍👌👌👌👌👏👏👏👏👏💋💋💋💋💖💖💖 By the way, the fact that you've acquired all those followers doesn't mean that the product is, in fact, **good** by any measure. Cheers

[@TheAtombomb1995]

Shut the fuck up nerd

[@welltheresyourproblempodca1465]

It's almost as though different people like different things. Why on earth would we listen to you? 38+ episodes in, far more positive comments than negative ones. It feels like you're just mad you don't have a podcast and you're sad because no one would listen to it. Give it a try! And leave ours alone.

[@hannabelphaege3774]

Liam sounds weird and unfamilliar, can we crowdfund a worse microphone?

[@TheRealColBosch]

There's a third person!?

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

Liam is just yelling into Justin's mic now, which is why he sounds like he's in another room* *Probably

[@scarylion1roar]

This is the 2nd mic Liam has gone out and bought with the Patreon money, lol

[@colonelgraff9198]

I have a Windows 98 microphone. It’s on a cheap plastic base and the plastic is a little yellow. Should I send it?

[@jaysea5939]

@@scarylion1roar tbf the patreon goal is *buy* him a new mic, not make him *use* the new mic

[@struanrobertson7128]

"you may have saved yourself from the sea but i am going to hurt you" is such an action movie line from the coast guard

[@beepthefox]

Maybe the real Tacoma Narrows Bridge Disaster was the friends we made along the way.

[@mitchhosking5599]

I now believe that everyone who watches this podcast died during the Tacoma Narrows bridge disaster and this is our purgatory.

[@platedlizard]

Gerty still gallops in my heart

[@magesalmanac6424]

I perished in the Boston molasses flood :(

[@shodancat1000]

i love that De Falco was literally like, "ohhhh poor baby wants to go home because it's dark and you can't see?" that call audio is legendary

[@gotnothingclever]

_"Schettino you may have saved yourself from the sea, but I am going to make you pay."_

[@michaelkitchin9665]

A boatload of trouble.

[@christophervanerp1133]

Sounds like a Bond villian.

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

@@michaelkitchin9665 underrated pun snuck in by either Falco or the translator

[@scarylion1roar]

@@christophervanerp1133 villain? Captain Defalco is Bond, James Bond. That's a Bond one-liner.

[@alexroselle]

@@michaelkitchin9665 working title for this episode?

[@TheFysh]

Justin trying to read off the cruise ship amenities while Alice and Liam scream obscenities is the hardest I've ever laughed to this show. Thank you.

[@Cinerary]

Lmao. Solid belly laugh at work for like 3 full minutes lmao

[@Razorgeist]

Yeah that was great!

[@conc_rete9737]

the mounting outrage as Justin describes the amenities on the ships

[@justinokraski3796]

easily the highlight of this episode

[@jaysea5939]

it's amazing and a mood

[@franciscojcsa6127]

That bit was basically Verbal White Water Rafting It was Amazing

[@m__y-t-s]

They built the goon zipline on a fucking cruise ship

[@BanjoNoob2]

On the one hand I was annoyed that they were talking over each other in their outrage because I wanted to hear what they each had to say, on the other hand I was laughing too hard to have heard it anyway.

[@Yassified3425]

They found 7 dead passengers in the elevator. As the ship hit the rocks and lost power the elevator stopped. So They we're stuck in there for a few hours until the water started to slowly flood into the elevator.

[@alicecaldwell-kelly9530]

nope nope nope nope nope

[@ViolentOrchid]

Stairs, only stairs.

[@_bane_7742]

Nope. Nope. They're all fine. They all stepped through a portal and watched cartoons. Later they had ice cream.

[@tylerzipay9536]

"rock's" and "hour's" should be "rocks" and "hours." A comma followed by an "s" indicates possession or relation to a person. So if Joe owned a cruise ship, you would call it "Joe's cruise ship." Another example would be if Mary had a brother you could refer to him "Mary's brother."

[@EricTheRed4143]

noooope. don't like that

[@OpreRoma]

Reason number #94 why train gud: Less chance of drown

[@AlRoderick]

Especially once they finish banning bridges.

[@foursix32]

S E A T R A I N

[@Stjaernljus]

Keyword being Less

[@OpreRoma]

@@Stjaernljus yeah, the Dawlish sea wall only needs to collapse at the wrong time and suddenly, you've got Traintanic

[@tompain9735]

So the train mov’d slowly along the Bridge of Tay, Until it was about midway, Then the central girders with a crash gave way, And down went the train and passengers into the Tay! The Storm Fiend did loudly bray, Because ninety lives had been taken away, On the last Sabbath day of 1879, Which will be remember’d for a very long time.

[@ViperhawkX]

Your comment on the "proletarian characteristics" of the evacuation reminded me of another cruise ship sinking, the MTS Oceanos, where the captain abandoned ship without even raising the alarm, and the evacuation was (successfully) organized by the onboard entertainers.

[@psychic_beth]

WTYP episode on the Oceanos when?

[@tompain9735]

Look up the SS El Faro, ship went right into a fucking hurricane because the captain didn’t like the NWS forecast and by the time he called the alarm there was an unrecoverable list. The company that owned them completely fucked up any oversight, fired the port captain that would have told them to GTFO and the crew were so afraid of losing their jobs if they overruled the captain. So they all died.

[@niagarawarrior9623]

@@tompain9735 at your suggestion, i looked it up. what a sad, avoidable event. the bridges black box transcripts are as informative as they are unpleasant final words.

[@christinabalser3344]

Yes, the classic trio of ''Captains that will leave a sinking ship and give 0 Fs about you'' is Concordia, Oceanos and Sewol. Look up the other two if you wanna see awful captains that might actually be worse than this one

[@hjt091]

@@christinabalser3344 Yarmouth Castle

[@Eloraurora]

It's honestly amazing how measured Cpt. De Falco is at the beginning of that call. He's just telling him what to do. There's no mention of dereliction of duty or abandoning his post until _after_ a bunch of equivocation. It really feels like he's starting out from a place of "You might have just panicked, it happens, I'm going to offer you the benefit of the doubt and direct you on how to do the right thing from here on out."

[@MrJohndoakes]

Captain De Falco knew that he needed Schettino to coordinate the rescue, so he was willing to be nice and give him an out. When it became obvious he was ditching his own ship (which is just morally reprehensible), that's when the cursing and "vada a bordo, cazzo!" came out because lives were on the line. The people who drowned in the elevator probably would have been rescued before the water came in, had there been a deck by deck search for passengers.

[@Eloraurora]

@@MrJohndoakes Oh, I agree that rescuing the passengers was his top priority. I'm still impressed by the...steadfast utilitarianism? IDK. He reminded me of a range safety officer called to sort out a misfire.

[@MrCzechTexan]

I absolutely LOVE that these three are absolutely losing their *fucking minds* over the ridiculous list of hyper-capitalist amenities on cruise ships .... I'm in the right place

[@Tysto]

Somehow, two people become an angry mob. 😂

[@Phoenix8492]

I'm not nearly as leftist as these guys are, but just listening to Liam lose his shit like this on nearly every episode I have listened to thus far is a _blast_, but this is even better because you have Liam losing it, Alice adding to the anarchy and Justin just does not stop reading

[@LostSnowdrift]

For anyone wondering: skip to 47:20

[@Fiveinaline]

I was wondering if I was the only one who upon listening feels a welcoming sense of “I’m home”…💁‍♂️ Good to know that’s not the case 😊 Take care Bud

[@tompain9735]

De Falco was 100% justified. Schettino was completely responsible for the conduct and lives of the crew and passenger and failed in that duty. There’s a reason people were calling him capitano cornuto.

[@danielkorladis7869]

Oh yeah, definitely. De Falco was basically yelling at him to do his damn job.

[@Rishnai]

There’s an Electroboom episode from Italy where the commentators pointed out two important facts about Italian culture in relation to doing one’s job: 1. That if a building owner does not keep the building compliant with the electrical codes, and that building’s electrics cause injury, then the building owner is liable to serve JAIL TIME. 2. That polices as outlined in point 1 are quote “the only way to make an Italian respect the law.”

[@JoshSweetvale]

​​@@RishnaiExactly. You wanna be a dipshit drug-trafficking fat playboy in the mould of Berlusconi himself. Fine, we can't stop you. But _do your job_ so _other people_ aren't hurt.

[@finian3288]

There should be a law called WTYP’s law: Any sufficiently large amount of ammonium nitrate that can explode, will explode

[@drakkenmensch]

The trigger is usually administrative incompetence.

[@ViolentOrchid]

I saw it a said it looked like a warhead and people were like, don't jump to conclusions. It's a measurement for the size of an explosion; like, imagine telling someone saying don't jump to conclusions when you tell them it looked like it weighed a ton.

[@csours]

@@drakkenmensch Where there's smoke there's *BOOOM*

[@frankishe7317]

Or benzene, gun cotton, tnt, and wet/dry picric acid mixed with inability to follow the rules of the narrows What I'm saying is they should do an episode on the halifax explosion

[@SolarFlareAmerica]

@@frankishe7317 I'm down

[@thomaspalazzolo5902]

The one thing that always freaks me out is the account that during the crash, there was a magic show going on in the theater, and a magician's assistant was locked in a small compartment as part of an illusion. Like no, you're not just on a sinking, city-sized ship, but you've also been locked in a small, cramped box on stage, in the dark, and you can hear the audience screaming in panic. Note that the magician DID get them out of it shortly afterwards but god damn.

[@TheCommunistColin]

Hey Liam, you may recall I asked a while ago for places to check out in the Philly area and you replied to me. If memory serves you recommended Plough and the Stars. Just wanted to say I went there yesterday and it was amazing, thanks for the rec. I also got to witness two grown men arguing about cheesesteaks for over 20 minutes so that was pretty good. 10/10 really liking Philly so far.

[@TheCommunistColin]

"How many years have you gotten cheesesteaks at Geno's?" "None, because I'm a fucking Philadelphian." I have zero context for this, but this was the funniest sentence I've heard in my life so far.

[@tompain9735]

TheCommunistColin the guy who said that was right. If you want a good steak go to: John’s Roast Pork (also get the roast pork) D’Nics (also great roast pork sandwich here), Campo’s, Daleassandro’s, Joe’s, Tony Luke’s, or Steve’s. Pat’s and Geno’s are tourist traps and Geno was a bigot and racist, rest in piss.

[@scarylion1roar]

@@tompain9735 do visit Geno's grave if you need a gender neutral bathroom

[@ANunes06]

@@scarylion1roar Actual beer out of my actual nose. 10/10. Would like again.

[@teslashark]

Support the Scribe Video Center! It's a Philadelphia video history place.

[@VulpesHilarianus]

When Roz was listing off the statistics for the cruise ship and he mentioned sixteen restaurants I was like "There's more restaurants in that boat than in the entire town where I grew up." Like, that right there is a shining beacon of excess taken to stupid levels. Judging by the size of the theatre being fourteen hundred seats, that means that each restaurant has a capacity between thirty and forty tables. Meaning you've got between twenty two hundred and twenty five hundred people at peak hours eating in a giant floating tuna can that's loud as hell and has a bunch of pissed off possible abductees running the damn thing. Why do we not have international treaties banning these things again?

[@semirrahge]

Close to 10k people in a combo mall/hotel/waterpark. What could possibly be better!?

[@thereverendsam413]

What's your formula for relating theater capacity to restaurant size?

[@VulpesHilarianus]

@@thereverendsam413 At any one time people would be split between multiple activities at once during a cruise. A cruise ship has it's facilities designed to handle at max about twenty five percent of the total number of guests on board, though it's usually around twenty percent. Different activites are scheduled at different times of day to rotate the guests so they don't all crowd one thing. However, the food court should theoretically have the highest number of guests, as everyone has to eat. So if you're accounting for different people coming in across three hours or so, you'd account for forty to fifty percent of the ship's total guest capacity, or around thirty five percent per hour. If the ship holds an average of eight thousand guests, you could expect twenty two hundred to twenty eight hundred people at the food court over the course of an hour, or around fifty two hundred to six thousand people over the full three hours, with a lower guest count near the beginning and end of the three hour period.

[@CopenhagenRayne]

@@VulpesHilarianus the logistics of managing 8000 people stuck on a relatively small area, it is impressive, but shear waste and enviromental impact these boats create even under the best circumstances

[@ClaudiaNW]

@@thereverendsam413 I was wondering the same. Is there Boggis' Law where you have 1.73 diners for every theatregoer or something

[@Taverius]

Can't recognise that voice without the noise and echo of a terrible mic. CHANGE IS SCARY ABORT ABORT.

[@benoitbvg2888]

Activate windows while you're at it, sellouts.

[@huseyx2]

@@benoitbvg2888 and bow to the capitalists?! Never!! :D

[@ViolentOrchid]

You sound less like you with the new mic. No more heroes.

[@henryefry]

EMBRACE TRADITION REJECT MODERNITY

[@Dogtor_Orsum]

Dear Liam. Your mic quality is too good. Please reduce it by 3. I am not a crackpot.

[@readwrecks]

I’m not seeing any love for the text at the bottom of the screen during the discussion of the railway disaster. I just want to take a moment to appreciate it. “Train crashes into a Windows XP Desktop Background.” I don’t know whose joke that was, but I see you, and I love you.

[@alicecaldwell-kelly9530]

[@slaughterround643]

I can't wait for the episode on that in a decade or so

[@alexroselle]

is that what happens when you never activate your copy of Windows?

[@OriginalPineapplesFoster]

Good call. I screenshotted it and shared it with friends. ❤🍍

[@sweetpepino1907]

It's amazing how that ship is so bad that the podcast devolved into all of them screaming at each other for like 3 minutes

[@danielkorladis7869]

"THIS IS WHY THE TALIBAN EXISTS"

[@joshlikescola]

There's loads of places you can go for a succinct summary of almost any event covered by this podcast. So if you don't like it, go do that. We out here having fun, listening to three people who are actually funny, talking about something actually vaguely interesting.

[@TrashHeapCustodian]

WTYP Tier List S- activate windows logo, Liam's new mic A- shake hands with danger, Trains B- Justin, November, Liam, Megatronix C- skirting OSHA regs or local equivalent D- Car (with the exception of Liam's van) E- groverhaus F- capitalism

[@matthewlockley2831]

What about fish?

[@justinokraski3796]

B: fighting the viewers in the comment section

[@TrashHeapCustodian]

Fish are not respected and therefore don't even make rank

[@codesigma]

You forgot the S-tier “call 811 before you dig”

[@vwj9132]

@@matthewlockley2831 not worthy enough respect to be listed

[@tiredprincess451]

roz: *listing amenities on the cruise ship* all: *clamoring*

[@ShootingStarNeo]

The aural equivalent of *”several people are typing…”*

[@ShidoMedia]

Best features: The clamouring

[@michaelimbesi2314]

At 29:20 “Living in a filing cabinet” is actually a pretty accurate description. When they build these, the balcony cabins are constructed off ship and then lifted and slid into the ship. Almost like drawers.

[@OddLeah]

And now I have visions of all of the little drawers falling out when the ship tilts.

[@TheOneSevenNine]

35:10 the worst crosstalk i've ever heard. absolutely unlistenable. i really enjoyed it, thank you for your efforts

[@cobaltwerewolf]

I almost downvoted this. thankfully I clicked the up thumb

[@robk7266]

I made out "This is why the Taliban exists."

[@2112pk]

"several people are typing" but for your ears

[@danielkorladis7869]

it was hilarious hearing Liam and Alice getting more and more furious at the list of amenities

[@EmissaryofWind]

As a french person I don't think giving Lebanon to France would be great given how bad France is at taking care of France

[@bynrdskynrd]

Aren't you still yeeting Firemen on fire at cops still or has that calmed down like Portland?

[@EmissaryofWind]

@@bynrdskynrd The firemen aren't currently yeeting themselves but Macron is trying to force through his very unpopular retirement reform bill so it might pick back up soon

[@sc1338]

Still better than what they can do...

[@richardtickler8555]

Switzerland should colonize France

[@ladywaffle2210]

The GIGN, the top level French special forces unit, is classified as a "police force", since it's part of the gendarmarie--i.e. soldiers dedicated to policing the populace. Meaning, the best of France's military is dedicated to making sure French people don't threaten France. Considering the history of France? This is justified.

[@helloofthebeach]

Liam's new microphone makes me realize he's basically Leftist Archer.

[@Jacob-Day]

Jon Benjamin is leftist Archer

[@MesaAufenhand]

Archer is leftist archer

[@alfalafelstine1536]

The Beirut explosion killed 10 firefighters. Apparently, everyone who knew about the Ammonium Nitrate failed to notify the fire department.

[@jaysea5939]

25:45 there's a documentary I caught on PBS on why cruise ships keep sinking, and it went into why cruise ships move their center of gravity. When a ship's center of gravity is below the water line, it's more stable, but it rocks at a wide angle, which makes passengers uncomfortable. Moving the center of gravity above the water line makes the ship less stable, but the rocking angle is much smaller, and passengers are more comfortable, but less safe. Great doc, makes sure you never ever want to be on a typical cruise ship.

[@jakubgrygiel9795]

They "keep sinking" huh? Which cruise ships exept costa concordia have actually sunk? Because I cant think of any.

[@kwarra-an]

@@jakubgrygiel9795 like... a bunch? You can Google it, you know. It's hard to keep track of how many have to be evacuated etc because of how cruise lines operate (intensely international with no real overarching organisation or co-operation), but there's a few people who try and keep and eye on it. Between 1980 and 2012, 16 sank (according to one website run by a cruise ship obsessive). Also, you missed the most obvious other example of a sunken cruise ship: the Titanic.

[@jakubgrygiel9795]

@@kwarra-an No cruise ship in history other than Costa Concordia and maybeeee Oceanos (which was not really a cruise ship by modern standard) have sunk. So in that aspect Costa Concordia pretty much set a precedence when it comes to cruise ships actually capsizing. I dunno where you got the information about the 16 ships sinking being cruise ships, because none of them were. Titanic was not even close to being called a cruise ship, it was an ocean liner. There was not even a concept of such a thing as "cruising" when it sank on its maiden voyage.

[@silaskuemmerle2505]

@@jakubgrygiel9795 Concordia is far from the only cruise ship that went down Other examples include Sun Vista, Wind Song, and SeaBreeze

[@danielkorladis7869]

it's a ship, it's supposed to rock

[@JoranGroothengel]

'ooh, an audience OSHA section, I've got a couple stories that coul- *unlabeled radioactive waste disposal* oh well, nevermind, I can't top that.' I do have a neat picture of some toothmarks on a 3 ton slab of steel though...

[@thewingedporpoise]

I mean, it varies, the most recent one was FedEx,

[@danielkorladis7869]

They're not all quite this intense. This was the most terrifying one I've heard so far.

[@nicholascallahan6460]

"Do you think this could homogenize Pete Buttigeg?" Correction - could it homogenize him any further?

[@justinokraski3796]

he would look the exact same

[@syystomu]

The snus thing with Sweden has been a genuine health hazard for Finland lately because Sweden's covid situation has been pretty bad, but people keep crossing the border to go buy snus from Sweden and bringing the virus back with them.

[@TheRealE.B.]

*Who's this new "Lee-Amm" fellow with the buttery-smooth voice?*

[@scullystie4389]

“Francesco, you’ve switched off your targeting computer” 😂🤣😂

[@kanalkucker14]

Trust in the Force, Francesco!

[@cornholio329]

Silenzio ✊️

[@finian3288]

Gonna call it now, cruise ship bad

[@melissametivier4]

At least it's not RO-RO

[@finian3288]

Melissa Metivier I’m sure there is an even more deadly combination of the both of them

[@christinabalser3344]

@@melissametivier4 Well, this one still rolled over

[@gelatinocyte6270]

Plane good?

[@amyk6869]

@@gelatinocyte6270 no, plane bad, only train good. Need more underseas trains

[@PhilfreezeCH]

1:54:40 Just FYI, this is standard procedures for rooms with stuff that can go boom. They are built in a way that they explode outwards without damaging the rest of the building. This obviously means everyone currently in that room is super fucked but at least the people outside that room should be fine. My father used to work in such rooms for a bullet manufacturer in Switzerland (the room where they put the explody bit in the metal bit) and my mother currently works in such a room as a chemists.

[@stockie_uk]

Sounds like your parents get all the fun jobs. Life insurance must cost a ridiculous amount if it doesn't already come with the job thou...

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

“We’ve lost the waterpark, captain!” I fucking love this guy.

[@arkadeepkundu4729]

For context, the ship they were describing is heavier than 2 nuclear supercarriers put together. The sovereign of the seas. The Costa Concordia was about the same weight as the newest US supercarrier.

[@joshuahadams]

On the newest US super carrier: She’s called the USS _Enterprise_ and the US Navy has a Rear Admiral named James Kirk. No idea if he’s in any position to captain a carrier.

[@notpoland2809]

@@joshuahadams hes a swo, so he can't :((

[@kevinbyrne4538]

6:36 -- On the day of the explosion, the ammonium nitrate was being stored next to fireworks AND the doors to the warehouse were being repaired with torches. Safety first !

[@christinabalser3344]

Finally the episode about Costa Concordia. Now Im just waiting for sister episodes about Sewol and Oceanos, in the category of ''Worst captains ever, that just leave you on a sinking ship''

[@NeighborSenpai]

Sewol was such a tragedy it sends shivers down my spine...

[@christinabalser3344]

@@NeighborSenpai I find it more chilling, just because of all the videos of the students that have been found later. Students being like ''So is this one of those cases where the captain tells us to stay in our cabins, while they get of the boat themselves and leave us here?'' ... Thats would be a yes, sadly

[@christinabalser3344]

@@NeighborSenpai Also, all the government level mess and coverup doesnt help the Sewol not being a chilling case

[@robertsielski6722]

@@christinabalser3344 that into itself can be its own wtyp. It literally caused the imprisonment of the president and even led to the dissolution of the entire ROK coast guard.

[@noodles_incident5194]

another really fun fact about the costa concordia righting was that the rock it finally settled on had a population of about 200 protected mussels that they had to individually, manually bar-code and relocate to another rock while they were doing the righting and then put back afterwards bc the construction would have squashed them. so anyway Clam Barcoder is the terrible job for this episode, rat smoothie man who

[@crowwithaknife1312]

worst job?? no. best job

[@catstorm26]

the knightly order of the clam protectors

[@Bob.martens]

Famous last words: "I know these waters very well".

[@ProjectThunderclaw]

The fun thing about salty liquorice is that it's usually quite literal - more often than not, it's little pieces of liquorice candy dusted with a fine layer of salt. The salt just isn't sodium chloride. It's _ammonium_ chloride. It's a naturally occuring mineral, which feels weird because it means there's more than one kind of rock that tastes good.

[@cholulahotsauce6166]

That's not the kind I get. The kind I get isn't dusted at all.

[@JoshSweetvale]

Do you know about Salmiak? Saltpetre and Ammonia.

[@ProjectThunderclaw]

@@JoshSweetvale salmiak is another name for ammonium chloride, yes.

[@niagarawarrior9623]

so, the youtube algorithm recommended this podcast to me. i was skeptical. It turns out, it knows what i like. good show.

[@EvilGrin]

This is my most favorite disaster ever, thank you so much for this episode. The first time I heard the communication between Schettino and the Captain of the Coast Guard, I could not stop laughing for minutes, 'till it hurt, and then some. And still I'm cracking up every time I hear it. As sad as this disaster is, Schettino will forever be a benchmark for bad captaining and moral failing. The captain of any ship is responsible for the lives of all passengers, all members of the crew, and the safety of the ship, in exactly this order. From this you can deviate the rule that the captain at least should stay on board until every living person has been evacuated (not counting missing persons in unreachable parts of the vessel is acceptable imo). If he goes down with the ship during the rescue efforts, that's his job. If it's the vessel only, he can leave anytime he wants. Schettinos behavior was dispicable, and hopefully even after his prison sentence ended, he will be forbidden to even come near any kind of ship or boat for the rest of his life.

[@chad3232132]

Just have to say, both Schettino and De Falco look exactly as I'd pictured in my head when I first read the story. Schettino looks like a metrosexual, De Falco looks like a hard ass career Naval guy.

[@uberente]

the cookie cutter conspiracy theories about the big boom are SO MUCH LESS INTERESTING than the story of how the stuff actually got there.

[@st2udent_650]

Please explain

[@uberente]

@@st2udent_650 taco (n.) tortilla filled with spiced meat, etc., 1949, from Mexican Spanish, "light lunch," literally "plug, wadding."

[@roberteltze4850]

I believe ship tonnage is a measurement of the amount of water it displaces. So technically it is a volume but it's pretty close to a weight. 228,000 tons is obscene. To put that in perspective that is more than all four Iowa class battleships combined or more than 2 Nimitz class aircraft carriers.

[@bynrdskynrd]

It's literally a slight to Drachinfinel's "French Pre-Dreadnoughts" because it literally is a floating hotel/casino and displaces 1 Vegas Casino.

[@deeznoots6241]

Also ship tonnage like all measurements is incredibly dumb and silly because you can measure it several different ways depending on whether you count water storage or whether the ship is fully loaded or not, and its partially that way because the British wanted to have ways to cheat the system on international naval treaties without actually breaking the treaty(only for almost every other nation to just cheat the system by actually breaking the treaty)

[@eagletanker]

Paint me like one of your French pre dreadnoghts

[@ClaudiaNW]

Sometimes a ship is just too goddamn big

[@joshuahadams]

@@eagletanker She’s got a *tumblehome hull*, sir, and those *torpedo bulges*!

[@cameronfinnie9706]

You know a ship is too big when every person in my town could board it and still have room to spare

[@huntermorgan4201]

I don't see why Schettino is still acting like he's afraid of re-boarding the boat, seeing as how De Falco absolutely fucking murdered him over the phone already.

[@persbaderse]

34:31 the beginning of a very relatable decent into madness about how over-indulgent cruises are

[@edc7680]

So its a 3 year turnaround from goddamm news to episode 👏👏

[@HolidayTorment]

1:31:00 i'm having a hard time imagining anything better than having your shitty boss get reamed out entered into the public record like this

[@MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot]

You probably know by now but for anyone who doesn't the Beirut death toll has risen to over 200 as of release. Also, of course, Lebanon is now starting to get Shock Doctrine'd isn't that fun. France is coming in to re-imperialize and so is the IMF. Such fun. Also apparently the whole Lebanese government just kinda quit their jobs all at once?

[@lefteyereport6354]

The *new* Lebanese government--the one that was formed after the govt that had stored all of that Ammonium Nitrate resigned.

[@drakinkoren]

I love how it descends into chaos as the feature list continues... haha

[@beedubree2550]

1:30:08 “get back on board for fucks sake” is THE line of this phone call, but this exchange is my favourite. basically just “get back on board and help, one of my guys is here too now” “where is your guy?” “HE’S ON THE FUCKING SHIP”

[@radicalrazel9156]

Fun fact, a Russian cargo boat was also left in a harbour in Norway! There wasn't anything explosive inside, but the crew were stranded in a small 20,000 pop. coastal town. So now Horten has a sizeable Russian minority

[@DavidChiappini]

I'm so excited that you're expanding your coverage of weird Italian disasters! I'd suggest the Morandi bridge collapse (the Morandi bridge had actually a pretty interesting design, but maybe "interesting" is not what you'd want from a bridge). Also the high-speed Lyon-Turin tunnel and all the protests.

[@ericjamieson]

Look up MTS Oceanos - it was a cruise ship that sank in 1991 off the coast of South Africa. The captain and all the senior offices bailed, and so a guy who was literally just a lounge singer hired to entertain the passengers essentially assumed command and, together with the other entertainment staff, supervised the evacuation. They managed to save everyone, too. NPR did an interview with him a few months ago.

[@rosenoel]

You didn't mention how the captain went back to his cabin and changed out of his uniform into a suit so he wouldn't be recognized as he "fell" into the lifeboat.

[@emmadrew50]

Only the Well There's Your Problem Podcast reduces and entire engineering disaster into a soup-like homogenate in 30 seconds.

[@anxiousandworrying1]

Googled it Gregorio De Falco was in five star movement (who are weird enough techno utopians for Alice's other podcast) but (in a shocking turn for former coast guard officer) he got kicked out for refusing to vote with the government to enable Salvini’s migrant crack down.

[@tibbygaycat]

Wow this guy sounds actually very good!

[@anxiousandworrying1]

@@tibbygaycat yeh the info i could find was that before he was kicked out he was tight with Roberto Fico the speaker of the italian lower house who always gets reported as being the leader of five stars Left wing.

[@midgetwthahacksaw]

Oh my God, Justin demanding they rebuild Penn Station just made my heart soar. My father and his forefathers would be pleased.

[@sarapocorn]

I went to Giglio in fall of 2012 for marine biology research. I had heard of the costa concordia but was not prepared to see the wreck from the ferry. it was mental.

[@mrpieceofwork]

Does this qualify as a "You had ONE job" when De Falco is berating him?

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

Yes.

[@slaughterround643]

yes. would you *not* get back on the boat if that guy bit your ear off? I feel no sympathy for the captain when there were people in elevators for hours before drowning

[@GoredonTheDestroyer]

Something worth mentioning about Schettino is that he was a security guard who was promoted to the rank of captain and given the keys to a multi-million ton boat through _dubious_ means.

[@FAB1150]

25:00 side note - they actually stopped letting ships and large passenger boats in Canal Grande! Now the port is outside the city. I live ½ hour by train from Venice, actually did pass in the middle of it with a big ferry boat. You could see the entirety of the city, gorgeous. It was a bit less cool to see the boat from the land lol.

[@pmcgee003]

"If you want accuracy, read a photocopy of a photocopy of the report".

[@flametitan100]

I'm so glad we share the same taste in ship aesthetics. We need more Ocean Liners, and less... floating bricks.

[@NeighborSenpai]

A ship SUV lol

[@kyle-silver]

Listening to this right after the Itavia episode, can't wait to find out how this disaster is actually the confluence of ten unrelated conspiracy theories-because, you know... Italy

[@123mickymouse123]

Italy has a strong tradition of conspiracy theories that outdates the country itself! The Carbonari were a fun bunch.

[@_bane_7742]

Something I don't think we caveat much these day is, when British leftists talk about other countries' conspiracy sh*t, it is 100% presumed that whatever it is will, at the very least, involve our outright complicity in evading regulations, or in some way be facilitated using a British-licenced bank. Any fingers pointed at other countries should be presumed to be accompanied by another pointing right back at us and our government - this isn't a nationalistic thing, it's a capitalist thing. Corruption is a common trait of all. That, and, y'know... Italy.

[@strega1380]

[brace belden voice] Tartaglione

[@jimcrelm9478]

Update on the rail crash: a drainage channel was built incorrectly by Carillion (since bankrupt, which was a massive scandal in itself: conflicts of interest among politicians and lobbyists, etc., massively expensive for the taxpayer when it went under). Drainage gravel washed out onto the track due to some extra earthworks constructed that were not in the plans. WTYP'S occasional guest, Gareth Dennis, covered the final report recently on his own channel.

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

friendship ended with: WTYP Hosts new friendship with: Liam's New Mic

[@GolfJuliettWhiskey]

Oh no, where did activate windows go?

[@aturchomicz821]

D:

[@syystomu]

Eloped with Liam's old mic

[@justinevans1852]

Where is activate windows? Is she safe?

[@justinokraski3796]

it'll be back for the Tacoma Narrows Bridge episode

[@GrandGobboBarb]

didn't you see the goddamn news? it got hit by the train D=

[@Taverius]

BTW if you ever need reports in Italian translated msg me.

[@liamvictor1]

34:00 trying to play Dirt 4 and listen to my co-driver while three people shouted over eachother, getting progressively angrier at the existence of cruise ships was definitely in interesting sensory overload experience

[@henrycurtis3652]

Liam sounds too good now, reject modernity embrace tradition

[@liocla2331]

QE2 was retired in 2008 Alice. And Justin is correct, the QM2 is an ocean liner, built in 2004 and looks really, really nice. Also, when you’re sailing around the world, don’t forget the monocles and standard issue moustaches. Also Vendee Globe racers/sailors do tie themselves to their boats and swim behind them in the tropics in light winds, usually to get rid of stuff on the canting keel. Edit: justin reading out the amenities onboard with a riot in the background was fucking funny, the reason they have a big climbing wall is because the stern is completely open.

[@skrang9671]

Christ, I still remember seeing this one Lebanese girl on Tiktok who'd been filming herself when the explosion happened; her home was far enough away that they only got the edge of the shockwave, but you just see the camera shaking, her looking off into the distance and then beginning to scream. I can't even imagine what it must be like to live in that part of the world (or anywhere really) and see what appears to have been a massive bomb going off in the middle of your capital city/home.

[@EliasEthernet]

I was just thinking about how I'm running out of WTYP to listen to. XD

[@causticsoda9678]

I ran out 3 weeks ago :D

[@dylanchouinard6141]

11:02 He didn’t steal his joke, he discovered it. Edit: I also expect the artists in the audience to get on that fan art of the three of them fighting German spies on a cruise ship all wearing suits.

[@lennartk6714]

"Warnemünde"... Jesus Christ people you need a German on your podcast and I volunteer as a tribute. All kidding aside though, great podcast as always. Keep it up you beautiful humans. Bless Alice for being the closest to any kind of foreign pronunciation

[@Warpwaffel]

On the other hand it wouldn't be have as funny if anybody on this podcast could speak proper German. :D

[@MephistoDerPudel]

Yeah. Just have a German pronounce the German words and cut them weirdly in.

[@Warpwaffel]

@@MephistoDerPudel Brilliant!

[@ClaudiaNW]

There is no language on Earth that Justin won't mispronounce

[@jgmm26]

these communists couldn’t care less if our big beautiful way of life is destroyed !! subscribed!

[@apeacebone6499]

Justin's pronunciation of all these Italian places and names made me laugh harder than I have laughed in a good while. Also, yes, "cazzo" is "dick" but it is used with the same intensity AND versatility as we use "fuck". The art of good swearing is truly universal.

[@Phoenix8492]

1:30:22 "There is one that I am aware of, and if you do not get back on that ship right this instant there will be *TWO* that I am aware of!"

[@antivanti]

Salmiakk is the best thing to ever happen to candy. I think Sweden has some other exceptions to EU regulations regarding fish. Fermented herring is one thing but that's mostly about fish from the Baltic sea not about the fermentation. The Baltic sea could be an episode on this podcast btw...

[@mechtechpotato4249]

Those grain silos were the national reserve grain for the entire country. Does ammonium nitrate become more unstable overtime? To launch a life boat from the upper side of a listing ship, slap a miniature rocket motor onto them and the life boats just fly off. The Arctic cruse liners have those sweet nice swept edges.

[@jizburg]

I think the problem with the fertilizer was that there was a fire in the building and thats what set it of.

[@crazylegssw]

Love RAS, whenever he says "yes" I'm like 'Rock On Brother' but when he says "Right" I always get that lovely feeling I'm about to learn something. Keep this up!

[@emilymcelroy3124]

This is old but I just wanted to add a fun fact in regards to the Andria Doria incident as one of the 'boat people': up until the coronavirus crisis, you could actually still sail on the SS Stockholm, the boat that took out the Andrea Doria back in 1956. It was sold to a different line following the incident and renamed a number of times, but the ship itself was fully operational as a cruise vessel up until 2020. It looks like the pandemic finally took her out of service due to the cruise industry as a whole going belly up, but up until then you could take a cruise on the ship that full on stabbed another ship.

[@packr72]

Another Italian episode? So Operation Gladio is responsible for this I assume.

[@scarylion1roar]

Somebody touch-a my spaghett!

[@foursix32]

@@scarylion1roar There was a dissappointing lack of spaghetti drops this episode

[@JoshSweetvale]

I mean, what is Schettino if not a failed clone of Berlusconi with a mindstate upload?

[@theoperrin9653]

Don't quote me on this but I met a tour boat guy in Amsterdam who said the captain was a big drinker

[@MrJohndoakes]

2:11 "Gangsta style" pistol holding brought up. Everybody has an explanation for "side grip" (spaghetti westerns, El-Al airport security, movies about Black street gangs, etc.), the explanation I was told was that the Chinese were making the C96 Mauser in the 1920s-30s and the upward ejected cartridge cases were hitting people in the head, which is annoying because it's small hot brass tubes whapping you in the forehead. So they held the guns sideways. And it is true that after WWI, Spain and Nationalist China were making the guns, sometimes in calibers outside the stock Mauser 7.63x23mm round (one Chinese warlord made them in .45 caliber.)

[@semirrahge]

Nah it's cuz that's how the gun came in the box. :)

[@dr.velious5411]

One of my favorite conversations from Etsusa Bridge is the character Hayato explaining how difficult it was learning how to dual wield and accurately fire gangsta style, and that he did it all just to look cool because he saw it on TV.

[@grmpEqweer]

Well, it will make your semi-auto pistols jam more often. So I was told. So don't fire your pistol that way unless you like clearing jams.

[@kw9849]

The C96 and derivatives don't usually eject straight up, but rather throw cases up and slightly forward. This is because the case is thrown into the forward edge of the receiver and bounces away.

[@MrJohndoakes]

@@kw9849 Then that explanation I heard was pure horseshit.

[@laurenm3148]

The sound that came out of my mouth when he said "boatload of trouble."

[@taliaroses]

I've never been on a cruise myself, but this episode reminded me of my favorite cruise-related story: My Dad went to Vancouver for a conference and since his accommodation was being paid for by the conference organizers, he decided to take me and my mom along too. We were staying at the Pan-Pacific, which is directly next to the Canada Place cruise ship terminal. One day, my mom and I went out to the VanDusen botanical gardens while my dad had to stay behind and do work stuff. Smash cut to my dad texting us a video of a Disney cruise line having a full on RAVE with cast members in mascot costumes, pumping the bass so loudly you could feel every beat from inside the hotel room, as my dad desperately tries to finish his conference notes which he needs to present that evening. Actual hell.

[@chad3232132]

What's the line Mr. Rogers used to say? "Look to the helpers." In any difficult situation, there will be those who step up, risking their own lives to help others. In this scenario, it does seem the bulk of the crew, outside of the highest ranking officers, really did step up and prevent a bigger catastrophe. I'd say Schettino got off light with a 16 year sentence - only about half a year for each victim killed by his actions.

[@CleverCrumbish]

Convinced Roz made his own mic worse to own us for being shits about making Liam's better

[@PhoenixianThe]

"I am current being ROASTED, by the heatwave in Scotland. _Immediately parses that as a wholly different definition of "roasted" and wonders if we'll get to hear the insults, before grasp of reality catches back up._ (Cue the Arizona crowd jumping in with "What, the heatwave called her fat? _Please._ Down here around Phoenix, we could have our heatwaves write for GLaDOS". But hey, at least its a _dry_ roast. :V)

[@semirrahge]

It's motherfucking goddamn HOT, bruh. I'm just in Dallas and it's barely touching 105f @ 40-50% humidity and I'm still dying.

[@ClaudiaNW]

I'm now imagining a bunch of sweaty Scotsmen shouting Scottish insults at Alice.

[@kingofthemoon3063]

As an Arizona guy, I appreciate your joke.

[@andxx0r_the_second671]

So, WTYP does good train episodes, good bridge episodes, and your maritime episodes are usually solid sleepers. How about combining all three? 1993 Sunset Limited disaster.

[@uilsoum875]

“What’s a cruise ship?” “A ship that cruises.” Wrap it up boys, wtyp is over. It was a good run.

[@mrpieceofwork]

The only cruise I ever went on had me experiencing what could be called "Dangerous Pride", as (allegedly) one of the crew on the ship eschewed the local pilots' service, and allow the ship to be BLOWN into one of the harbor jetties. A strong wind, a light ship, and a reckless crew do not mix.

[@Baudelier42]

If I ever go on a cruise ship it'll be one of the smaller ones. Like the RCGS Resolute. Basically a 184 passenger baby cruise ship built on an ice breaker's hull. A very tough hull as the Venezuelan navy discovered, much to their dismay. 😼