WELLING & ROSENBAUM Talk Opening Credit Snubs in SMALLVILLE Season 4

[@spillwithsarah9387]

I truly love how much sophistication and respect Tom Welling has as an actor that has played this romantic interest for several years to Erica Durance. Yes, they are co-workers and people may have shipped them in real life and blurred those lines but at the end of the day…this is a man that is not only speaking professionally but always giving her props and kudos and it’s so refreshing to see dynamic amongst costars

[@derekseven1647]

Erica made an explosive impression on the audience. That's why they signed her on for the rest of the other seasons. She killed that role and nailed the character.

[@leannepritchett6323]

Always love the stuff Tom points out.

[@faniadeantesmorales6671]

Wooo!!! Los amo!! Tom Welling y Michael Rosenbaund

[@damouze]

To me Erica Durance = Lois Lane. That was the first impression she made in the season opening scene. No convincing needed. She nailed that character right from the start. Season 4, episode 1 is still my all-time favorite because of it. And now that I think back on it, I think because unlike a lot of other portrayals, she was not just a pretty face destined to scream "Superman!", but an independent strong woman, as most women in real life are.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Seems Hollywood has really forgotten how to properly write women. They're usually write them so stoic and perfect, and it's so boring.

[@tomimdawodu6808]

Man ! Def wanna see these two get back into acting again wanna see Mike get back on TV or a Movie again he’s really good actor that can do drama or even comedy and Tom as well

[@cearachonaill8149]

How in the world would the producers ever think that Lois Lane would be a ‘temporary’ character.

[@DontBeDeceived6.7]

Easily! The before Daily Planet story of Superman was the Lana Lang & Clark Kent story but thankfully, it ended with Lois!

[@RyanDYou]

Because at the time Warner Brothers didn’t want Lois Lane to be on television as the character was going to be on the big screen. It was mainly studio politics not the showrunners.

[@jackvenus4024]

Because Superman Returns was in the works and WB put restrictions on what they could do on Smallville.

[@ThePlayTyperGuy]

Yeah, I initially thought Lois would be like Perry White from Season 3 - a peek into the future but not an ongoing part of the series. Erica was just too damn good. She ironically enough turned Lois Lane into a “breakout character” on a Superman show.

[@maltesefalcon85]

@@jackvenus4024 yeah wb was weird about that in justice league cartoon they werent allowed to use any supporting characters for batman as im sure the voice actor for wally knows only too well

[@low0820]

I felt so bad for Chloe. I know what it's like to be in love and see them give different people a chance while you just hope for a shot.

[@dtnetlurker]

They may have paid her nothing but what she lost in pay she got back in Fandom many times over and then some. She was loved right from the very start by almost everyone. I remember fans trying to start a campaign on the message boards to email the studio to let them know they wanted Lois back for good. They also swamped the official Smallville message board (yes they had one and it was an awesome place to get early clues about future episodes). When they announced she was going to be a regular for season five the fans were overjoyed.

[@thehantavirus]

she probably wasnt paid as much as she should have, not that she dint get paid. She probably dint want to make a big fuss about it, for fear of retaliation of not gettin future roles..

[@alexquinonez8443]

Love how rosenbaum.stands up for erica and calls out the network on their bs politics and pay

[@patdoe5242]

I wished they all come back and another series of Smallville I loved every episode in every season and Tom was the best Clark Michael was the best Lex and Erica was the best Lois

[@JoshuaYoung2]

Being a Canadian actor, I can tell you that is 1000% the situation. Not only do American productions get tax benefits when they are up here, but they also underpay the actors, sometimes more than 50%. And productions hiring Canadian talent to come down to the U.S. is basically the same thing. So if an American actor gets, say $10,000 for an episode, a Canadian being brought down will get, if lucky, 3K-5K.

[@cbreezy1322]

Erica Durance is probably my second favorite Lois only behind Teri Hatcher. She was instantly a presence on this show and it's a shame they treated her in a bad way but as I've gotten older you hear more and more of these bad experiences for actors and musicians and it's foul! I didn't know if I'd like anyone besides Lana being Clark's interest even though I knew it would end up being Lois eventually but Erica weened me off of Lana. 😁 Maybe it was the young love for Clark. Anyway, Smallville was da 💩!

[@stickynorth]

100% true... Same with Diana Bang in The Interview.. Paid fractions of what Rogan and Franco made despite being in MOST of the scenes in half the movie... A few other bit parts that were smaller were paid way more because they were fly in jobs and she was a "local hire." Makes me sad to know this while rewatching the film..

[@stanknight9159]

The interesting thing about when Welling and Rosenbaum talk is that they interact almost like Clark and Lex did, on the show.

[@lindamawdsley6130]

At the end of the day it’s all about money in almost all walks of life and it sucks🙃

[@L4-295]

Always follow the money. It’s the answer to 99% of questions.

[@Sims_it]

She might now have been in the opening credits, but she was credited as a special guest star, and that's usually quite expensive. I don't think it's a budget thing, I really think they thought they could only get her for a couple episodes, but then it worked so well that they brought her back. You kinda see this in the show where they write her off just for her to be thrown out of university later on so they could find a reason to bring her back in.

[@ParadiseVids]

Agree 100%. However I totally thought Jensen was Canadian too. I’m sitting here going, Jensen, from Los Angeles? Really? But yeah. I also think they didn’t let go of their Clana obsession until season 9, so they were willing and able to disregard the character of Lois Lane and hold onto Lana for Clark. Season 9. Oh my goodness. Yeah, I’ll never get over how long that took.

[@thehantavirus]

are they talking about Jensen from supernatural that one? its kinda wierd hes not even that memorable from smallville, but the actor acts(kind of self-important) like he made an important impact on the show.

[@j2174]

Jensen is from Texas. Erica Durance is from somewhere in Alberta I believe. Lana Lang (Kristin Kreuk) was also Canadian. Shes from near Vancouver. And Jimmy/James Olsen (Ashmore) is from Ontario. Twin brother of Ice Man from X-Men films.

[@ban66a1]

​@@thehantavirus They actually offered Jensen to reprise his role as Jason for season 5 but he refused it because he saw a lot potential in Supernatural

[@aaronhutchen1319]

Im watching the whole shownfirst time now. And i definitely pointed out to my wife that jensen was in the credits and was placed.before alison and john glover. I was like Wut?!

[@jcdemp7513]

You know what Micheal, almost every job is like that. We should be lucky to have a job so they think they can treat us a certain way.

[@PiDsPagePrototypes]

That the guys aren't sure Ms Durance was paid properly, shows that she's never discussed it with them, at the time that would be contractual, but now, shows that she doesn't want her freinds upset at the disparity that came from the producers screwing people in the contracts.

[@L4-295]

That’s not unusual. People don’t normally discuss rates of pay no matter where you are on the call sheet.

[@PiDsPagePrototypes]

@@L4-295 Yep! Often written in to the contracts that the discussion of such is against the terms of the contract.

[@theziggy6974]

Tom is so knowledgeable and genuine with his take and then Michael comes in with his fake Pollyanna bs. lol

[@miyadeen5867]

Because she’s Canadian? I’m sorry what does that have to do with her not being in the credits not that I am laughing but that felt an awkward comment to say! But yea that’s make sense but my thought was she’s was a guest for like just for Chloe episodes to find her cousin and leaves then after that shes comes back again when Clark is in metropolis but her not in the credits I always thought that was the reason that didn’t bother me why she’s wasn’t an the credits tho in season 4!

[@protalghulnist4126]

Different laws and expectations from America to Canada

[@miyadeen5867]

@@protalghulnist4126 oh but why he say that way liked it was a bad thing?

[@Dave_Nosdivad]

because she is a "local staff" instead of being an actor coming from another country to shoot in Vancouver. Canadian actor are always less paid there.

[@miyadeen5867]

@@Dave_Nosdivad oh I didn’t even know she’s was Canadian lol

[@protalghulnist4126]

@@miyadeen5867 Because it’s bad for her

[@michaelchallis4129]

How dare Tom Welling age.

[@FeelItRising]

Millar and Gough told you fools. It has nothing to do with established vs. not established. DC would only allow her for 4 episodes.

[@Trigormike]

Yeah. I was watching this clip and thinking 'Hasn't this already been explained?'.

[@jackvenus4024]

Its about the pay not the number of episodes. They are speculating that Erica was likely underpaid despite the importance of her character because she was a newbie and a local.

[@L4-295]

@@jackvenus4024🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️ the pay depends on the number of episodes, Jack. Smh. That’s why they discussed being a ‘series regular’ or not. But it appears they didn’t try to screw her over, DC specifically tried to restrict the character, not the actress.

[@thehantavirus]

smallvilles lois and clark is way better than the current series lois clark. that one was just a spinoff of supergirl, which kept the virtue signalling of that show

[@callummarks2080]

These actors talking about this show is like someone trying to sniff petrol from an empty jerry can lol lol 🤣💯

[@L4-295]

Not a great analogy callum.

[@callummarks2080]

@@L4-295 ohh really? Why's that? Cause I'm not American? 🙄🥴😑Lmao 🤣 fanks for getting back to me "bro" 🤡

[@subman23]

Kind of buried the lead, didn't you? Figured Erica getting drastically underpaid/taken advantage of would be more important to bring attention to than her not being in the title sequence, but what do I know, I guess

[@khatack]

Man I really despised the opening song from the very get go. Always felt a bolt of shame go through me when it played in the beginning of every episode. Cringe to the extreme.

[@waltermalone216]

That's a YOU problem.

[@likestoospooge]

You’re definitely in the minority there. It’s one of the only intros I never skipped because it’s so good. I guarantee you most people feel the same. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but that intro is a far cry from cringe.

[@MasterChiefSha]

Best tv theme ever, sheesh, lighten up. Loved Smallville so much, I rank it up there in my favorites along with Lost, Kyle XY, Malcolm in the middle, and Pokémon.

[@khatack]

@@likestoospooge Well, people here are obviously die hard fans for the most part so I can get that you feel that way, but trust you me, most people feel like I do, not the way you do.

[@likestoospooge]

@@khatack Touché. I admit my view is probably a little skewed. I was solely basing it on the fact that everyone I’ve ever met that’s watched the show loves the intro. And the intro and theme song videos on KZbin have millions of views all with mostly positive comments. I should have assumed that was all bs. I’ll try harder next time.