Welp. They brought Ventress back

[@Torfin2001]

Poor Christie Golden. She tried her best to give Ventress a memorable ending in the "Dark Disciple" book, only for Disney to say: "I am gonna pretend I didn't see that"

[@anonymous-hz2un]

Filoni, not Disney.

[@Torfin2001]

@@anonymous-hz2un Both count here, actually

[@seriousnesstv7902]

I seen you comment that under so many videos

[@warrentalbot329]

I wish you had read the book cause they really hinted she would live . In the book

[@TetsuShima]

​​@@warrentalbot329 Bro, this video clearly states with evident proof that Ventress was 100% supposed to die there

[@domino_201]

I love how they brought Ventress back and it added absolutely NOTHING. Amazing

[@BHalo98]

Yeah but now they can do a spin-off of the spin-off starring Ventress. And also reviving her was ok because most people didn’t read dark disciple (that was the argument someone hit me with on Reddit)

[@Brejan]

Yep. She came back for a waste-of-time filler episode. I half expect Kanan to be resurrected in the next season of Ahsoka. Death means nothing in SW at this point.

[@trevturp6891]

@@Brejan Kanan's body has been destroyed and he's appeared as a force ghost. There's absolutely no way he will be resurrected.

[@notamethadict]

@@BHalo98 so it's still bad writing so stop being a shill

[@BHalo98]

@@notamethadict yeah maybe read my comment again before you call me a shill lol

[@ParticularFix]

Say it with me guys, "somehow....

[@MetaFanWing]

“…Ventress…

[@minilopgamer1950]

……..returned”

[@Bigbirdiscool]

*distant gasps and murmuring*

[@mosshivenetwork117]

REEEEE

[@PaiSAMSEN]

[I'm-so-done-with-this face]

[@toganium4175]

I’m an OG Star Wars fan. I remember when deceased characters stayed deceased and them being deceased actually mattered.

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯

[@chasehedges6775]

Same here

[@anonymous-hz2un]

Filoni keeps running Star Wars into the ground.

[@Ankhtowe]

Next you'll say that lightsabers should be harmful to people or something equally nonsensical.

[@chasehedges6775]

Filoni, KK, Modern Disney, JJ Abrams and R Johnson, you mean?

[@STOTTINMAD]

No Plagueis close your ears! Your entire life's work isn't for nothing.

[@looinrims]

Oh my god you’re right, this shit Literally breaks the whole story of Star Wars

[@fala5764]

​@@looinrims like best case the only way I can see some random night sister magic resurrecting people is if it's some variation of vitiate's planet killing immortality ritual, but there isn't anything showing someone somehow ripped the force out of a planet to resurrect her.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@fala5764And even then, the best he's ever done was to give immortality to his servants like Darth Scourge. Don't remember him actually resurrecting someone.

[@PseudoNym13]

together, disney and filoni have discovered the secret, its "somehow"

[@miep3934]

@@Lobsterwithinternet In the book he does which was a bit over the top. He kills a disciple of his master and resurrects him, only to kill and resurrect him over and over until he literally can't anymore.

[@berserk4souls]

"No one is ever really gone" Christ this quote gets more and more tragic the longer Star Wars continues. I guess I can throw away the novel "Dark Disciple"

[@trevturp6891]

Dude, just, because that novel may not be canon anymore, doesn't mean you have to throw it away. You can still reread it and enjoy it, it not being canon, can't change that. Star Wars Legends isn't canon anymore and people still love that universe.

[@paulallen2680]

@@trevturp6891it is cannon. They have already said they won’t retcon the book.

[@konstantinosnikolakakis8125]

@paulallen2680 “It’s ok buddy! I won’t shoot you! You can come out!” *shoots in the face*

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@paulallen2680Like how they said that about the Kenoni show?

[@berserk4souls]

@@trevturp6891 at this point i could care less about Star Wars

[@chaoticiannunez2419]

What makes this so hilarious is that Disney claimed that the reason for canning the old EU was to “Create a more consistent continuity.” And time and time again they’ve contradicted their own material, and in some ways more blatantly than the old EU.

[@ToddyS]

lets not forget the 6 fucking canon thrawn books that filoni somehow forgot existed when he made the ahsoka "series"

[@silverprimus321boi9]

I just feel bad for timmy Zahn at this point, the guy was basically writing around filonis portrayal of thrawn from rebels for his canon version, and then it was ignored for Dave doing thrawn himself.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Like I said, ‘In Disney Canon:If it didn't happen on screen, it didn't happen.’

[@HEHEHE_I_AM_A_SUPAHSTAR_WARRIA]

That's still up in the air but I wouldn't hold my breath on book thrawn being alligned with tv thrawn

[@ToddyS]

@@silverprimus321boi9 I 100% agree :(

[@russianoverkill3715]

I'm sorry, but the truth is, no one cares about books.

[@JeffersonsTreeHouse]

So another lazurus pit on dathomir, it appears Ras has planned to defeat death once again robin.

[@Free-leftistaction]

I’m so glad I get this reference.

[@ggt47]

Holy retconing,Batman!

[@beforecuddlybunnylps841]

@@ggt47 new spinoff show just dropped

[@ggt47]

@@beforecuddlybunnylps841 Oh lord.

[@TheSoda21]

I have a feeling that if Obi-Wan didnt die in A New Hope, he wouldve been brought around in the Mandalorian

[@HonoluluBluNSilver]

Oh they did. It's actually a deleted scene in Season 2

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

If the whole force ghost thing didn't exist they would have brought him back by now

[@ParticularFix]

If they didn't have him be a force ghost they would have gone "oh yeah he just went into a trapdoor in the floor and then took and escape pod just before the Deathstar blew up. While wearing a spacesuit he clung to the outside of Vaders fighter for 8 days before landing on the Bendigo planet and becoming 30 again with the power of the Bushland Cube. He will now be played by TommyKay."

[@blakchristianbale]

I mean yeah, if he didn’t die there wouldn’t be a problem with them using him

[@Darkington]

Honestly, would any explanation for his survival be more absurd than what they already did with Palpatine?

[@hoyer]

i get the impression that the writers try to turn the night sister water into the star wars version of the Lazarus pit from batman.

[@faisyass7029]

The only reason i was excited for s3 was because i knew the discourse around asajj is going to be hilarious And i was right on point

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Yep.

[@chasehedges6775]

⁠💯

[@sub-zero5433]

literally same bro. mid batch has been a slog to get through

[@chasehedges6775]

has been a slog 👍

[@ZimSan]

Why is literally every Star Wars thing now "Somehow this character returned"

[@Mouse_Metal]

Because Felony is a childish hack who can´t let his pet characters go.

[@chasehedges6775]

⁠Nostalgia is one heck of a drug but can only work for so long….

[@alexthedemon2203]

@@Mouse_Metal "If you love me let me go" never felt so truthful

[@tomasz9429]

"Somehow, Ventress survived."

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Would be funny if he just spent hours just reading off the names of all the characters who came back for no discernable reason.

[@looinrims]

‘How can we visually show this character is different but stronger?’ ‘Give her the side shaved head haircut’

[@pufffincrazy5275]

Because the only way to make women stronk…is just make them look like men. Isn’t that pretty sexist?

[@ZoomerUnion]

She had this cut in Dark Disciple.

[@papapalps2415]

​@@ZoomerUnionAnd....?

[@snackeater4990]

@@papapalps2415 why wasn’t everyone complaining about her hair when the book came out?

[@papapalps2415]

@@snackeater4990 So do you just not have any comprehension of respective popularity of different kinds of media, or am I going to need to walk you through this, or....?

[@TheSixthDoctor]

Between this, Force healing and body surfing, Palpatine must've crossed his fingers the whole time Anakin doesn't hear of another method after he began baiting him with the prospect of saving Padmé from death.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

With how easy it is now to leave the Jedi Order, I'm surprised that most of the politicians don't have former Jedi on their payroll or are former Jedi themselves. I'm surprised that former Padawans and Knights haven't stolen stuff from the archives and started selling the secrets to the general public like a Force-Sensitive Billy Mays.

[@KraidTheSpacePirate]

The jedi in the prequel era weren't as good as ones from other times. They were more in tune with the dark side than the previous jedi .e.g in the old republic where jedi could use force healing

[@aquapendulum]

Oh no, somehow Ventress returned... with THE FUCKING SKRILLEX HAIRCUT THAT'S INFECTING EVERY CHARACTER NOWADAYS!

[@chasehedges6775]

Yeah, that hairstyle is odd

[@AmericanImperium1776]

It’s the muh strong independent wahman hairstyle.

[@lumbagoboi1649]

Bro can star wars characters stop getting modern Twitter haircuts they're in an entirely different galaxy for fcks sake

[@aquapendulum]

@@MiraBoo Skrillex started this haircut first, long before Karen became a meme so that's how it got the name.

[@MiraBoo]

@@aquapendulum good to know

[@uhagi6720]

Nightsister magic REALLY should have not been introduced into the series. It essentially serves as an unexplained plot solver that writers can whip out to "explain" things that make no actual sense, like how the witches in Ashoka could pinpoint her location easily when she was using the force, yet couldn't find Ezra when he's been using nothing but the force as a weapon the entire time.

[@Avarn388]

@uhagi6720 Brandon Sanderson’s laws of magic come into mind. “An author’s ability to solve conflict with magic is DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL to how well the reader understands said magic.” In other words, if the capabilities and limitations of a magic are well established and internally consistent, then it should facilitate these payoffs.

[@klaykid117]

It was really cool in the EU when they were this obscure cult of women only force users who were able to coax out strange powers that even the sith couldn't from the dark side. But now they are straight up using dungeons and dragons magic spells

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@klaykid117I'm surprised that none of them are throwing out Fireballs or Cones of Cold.

[@Ashguy733]

Especially considering the points he made in his TCW video about their ability to inject poisons into Dooku without him sensing or their invisibility powers, its a very big problem with Star Wars in general though where if you think about it too much you wonder why certain characters never did this or that. But the Nightsister's on Canon are arguably one of the biggest breakers of this.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@Ashguy733 Which is why George wanted to kill them off before the end of the Clone Wars. Which also mean my dream of a canon Tyber Zann series is dead. 🦞😭

[@ninjamasterbuilder8675]

Even when characters are confirmed dead and shown to be buried they can still apparently come back

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

I'm surprised the Jedi don't have a Highlander-like rule of beheading their fallen opponents to prevent them from coming back.

[@ninjamasterbuilder8675]

@@Lobsterwithinternet well George Lucas wasn't planning on bringing back characters otherwise Maul would have been cut by the neck instead of the waist

[@cpob2013]

Not to mention lightsabers are just glowing batons and being impaled doesn't matter

[@100acatfishandwillbreakyou2]

@@Lobsterwithinternet Then they just start coming back with staples in their necks.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@100acatfishandwillbreakyou2 Or they have a head with a mechanical body and a body with a mechanical head.

[@TetsuShima]

Something I hate about people who liked Ventress' return is that many of them call those who didn't like it hypocrites, stating that they didn't complain as much when Maul returned in TCW despite his obvious death in Episode I. Either these fans are very young or have a very selective memory, since there were MANY fans who at the time considered Maul's resurrection absurd and forced. God, I hate these stupid fights in the fandom 🤦‍♂️

[@androidoficeandfire9667]

You can still like Maul’s return since it did something interesting with him (even if yes it was a retcon Filoni has admitted to such) but find this contrived since what does it add to her character nothing

[@thegalacticponderer]

I despise Maul's return, and every post TPM thing that has him in it. However, in all farness, he was at least breathing when last we saw him.

[@bigwsly]

Always felt that he should have stayed dead and savage should have been the one seeking revenge on Kenobi for killing maul Would have made a better story rather than doing mental gymnastics to bring maul back and also makes savage a better character rather than just a brute with wasted potential

[@bigwsly]

@@androidoficeandfire9667you could have done that interesting stuff with him pre TPM and it wouldn’t have had to retcon anything imo

[@TheLVJ]

Time is a flat circle.

[@kylescott6608]

The cope from idiots on twitter regarding this is INSANE.

[@anonymous-hz2un]

Just your run of the mill Filoni fanbois. They see a lightsaber and they instantly flood the floor.

[@StrykeSZN]

i was arguing with a bunch of brain dead eckharts ladder subs and they called me a clown cuz i said that dave filoni doesn’t care about anyone bedsides his own garbage fan fic

[@saschaberger3212]

Do yourself a favor and stay away from that cesspool before your soul vomits. Those are no fans

[@numberone2676]

nightsister powercreep is getting out of hand now.

[@BHalo98]

The argument I got from some clown on Reddit was that most people didn’t read that book anyway so it was fine

[@millionamax1]

At this point I’m just expecting Obi Wan to show up in the Rey movie fully alive and breathing, flesh and all.

[@Mouse_Metal]

Felony hates all badass male characters and all legacy characters. Obi-Wan is both.

[@alexthedemon2203]

@@Mouse_Metal Felony LMAO

[@Jon-1005]

No one is ever really gone.

[@TheSixthDoctor]

Wasn't it weird how that quote from TLJ was used for the TROS trailer to explain Palpatine's survival? In TLJ, Luke says it to reassure Leia that Ben can still be redeemed, even though Luke can't do it.

[@TetsuShima]

*Fun fact:* In the spanish dub, everyone literaly refers to Ventress as "Scarlet". If that wasn't bizarre enough, let me tell you all the previous translated products refered to Ventress with the correct name, so this sudden change makes no sense AT ALL

[@amberstargames]

Maybe she changed her name to avoid the getting caught by the law

[@theunknownuser9609]

Yeah that was terrible. The person or people in charge of translating were drunk or something because in English shes called the way shes supposed to. How something like that wasnt double checked and went over the heads of whoever was in charge of the dub makes no sense

[@Свободадляроссии]

Filoni's obsession with screwing over the creations of everybody else is so weird... at this point it makes me think he's doing it on purpose

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

Disney ruining Star Wars on purpose?! You don't say?!

[@cpob2013]

​@@OG-ColorfulAbyss.It's was well before disney

[@Mouse_Metal]

I have no doubt he´s doing it deliberately. He´s a hateful, envious hack who can´t stand the fact there are people more talented than him, so he defecates all over their work.

[@ShaiAmos]

​@@cpob2013Facts

[@russianoverkill3715]

​@@OG-ColorfulAbyss.Dave Filoni did that before Disney, he stole other people's works, retconned stuff for no reason, and overall was a horrible writer.

[@faisyass7029]

Fun fact Dave wanted to bring back asajj for star wars resistance (thats the 2019 animated series about the sequels) and he even wanted her to have a duel with kylo ren

[@TheTrex9000]

Classic Filoni moment

[@TK-wk6xd]

Of Course

[@konstantinosnikolakakis8125]

Why am I not surprised?

[@GloriousLastStand]

Somehow, Ventress returned

[@KING-ly9ed]

Disney Star Wars is a pathway to many retcons some considered to be unnecessary.

[@daniel_su35s]

Dave Filoni has always had pet characters that he refuses to let die, be written out, or have some kind of conclusion. Ahsoka, Rex, Bo Katan, Ezra and so on. Filoni is more than willing to stomp out other Star Wars stories and works so long and his OC's can cameo in a Disney+ show. I hope Filoni never gets his mitts on Cal Kestis.

[@SwfanredLotr]

At this point I'm glad Grievous doesn't get enough focus or a spinoff movie that people wished years ago. They can't ruin him anymore.

[@jackcarmody5118]

If they really wanted to bring a Jedi war criminal back that the Bad Batch wouldnt trust they should have used Barris Offee

[@Darkwintre]

Another of Filoni's mistakes!

[@remrants]

OMGOSH YES

[@nagger8216]

No, because that would be stupid too. Tarkin mentioned Ahsoka would be executed if she was found guilty, so what do you think happened to Barris?

[@jackcarmody5118]

@nagger8216 you could easily bs something, not saying at all its perfect, and I would still be mad if Barris was brought back, but it would make more sense than Asajj

[@thegalacticponderer]

Don't you think they are saving her for the finale? I am guessing she will say something like "We have all made mistakes, I have certainly made my share, the challenge is to rise above them." and that will be all the explanation we get for another 12 years.

[@tinwiel-wr1ku]

I really hate the way they introduced the Dathomiri magic in TCW. Originally, it was just another way of using the Force with the same limitations the Jedi and the Sith have. And it was made clear that Nightsister magic can be taught to any Force sensitive (IIRC, Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus used some of their spells to track his enemies) because the Witches' "magic" is getting the same result from the same source through different means, not some weird voodoo

[@silverprimus321boi9]

Exactly. I like the idea of different groups using the force in different ways, the nightsisters and their spells were great in that. But then Disney happened.

[@snackeater4990]

@@silverprimus321boi9 What’s even more shocking is that people think that the clone wars was made by disney

[@silverprimus321boi9]

@snackeater4990 it wasn't, it was originally part of the eu, up until it ended. Then when Disney realized they could milk tcw fans, they canonized it and did season 7. And then rebels. And then even more shit. But tbh calling tcw a Disney show is accurate, it doesn't fit at all into the eu.

[@snackeater4990]

@@silverprimus321boi9 People need to realize that Legends and TCW were meant to fit into the movies, not with each other

[@silverprimus321boi9]

@snackeater4990 yes, but tcw doesn't even fit into the movies, the legends novels, battlefront 2 2005, the republic comics did align themselves with the prequels really well.

[@TetsuShima]

Shame we live now in a reality in which death in popular culture is now mostly a merece inconvenience. Legends at least knew to make dead characters stay dead, like when the idea of bringing Anakin Solo back through Jacen's flow-walking technique in the "Legacy of the Force" was quickly scrapped

[@CommanderRion]

I still distinctly remember how Chewbaccas death on Sernpidal sent Han into a self destructive depression spiral but also set up a major growth arc for him. Until then Han had felt invincible, thought every situation could just be solved with a quip and a fast trigger finger, but that event changed him. And Chewies death as well as its profound effect on Han was referenced in many stories even after the events of NJO. Thats how you set up a character death right. Make it stick, make it impact people and affect some change.

[@klaykid117]

It seems a lot of Legends fans have developed a serious case of selective memory. People are forgetting how boba Fett climbed out of that sarlac pit and then fell into several more before becoming mandalore and how Palpatine did return in the EU

[@TetsuShima]

​@@klaykid117 1. Episode VI states those who fall into the Sarlacc are digested alive for hundreds of years, so Boba didn't die in that movie, at least in a definitive way like Ventress 2. Palpatine's return happened at the beginning of the EU, when works were basically a hit or miss

[@thedeagster6397]

​@@klaykid117 I think its because the explanaton wasn't "somehow Palpatine returned".

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

The Boba escaping numerous times stuff was never canon. The only canon interpretation of it was Barve Tale Like That, Tale of Boba Fett. You're buying into false rumors spread about Legends. As for Palpatine, at least it was explained rofl

[@ParticularFix]

I wonder how long until they bring back Boss Nass

[@aaronthesaxman660]

Now there would be a welcome return 😂. Just say gungans age super slowly

[@mldavid4056]

He's not dead though. At least he wasn't the last time we saw him in Revenge of the Sith

[@ericsbuds]

Boss Nass is a Boss

[@gr-8166]

He’d be spitting at the writers, “yousa bringin da gungas to dis?! (Tck tck tck tck tck tck) yousa is puny. BEGONE WIT THEM (hubla blu bla blu)”

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Or Sabulba.

[@theunknownuser9609]

Poor Anakin should've just waited for Dave Filoni to save his wife from death

[@WarDog276]

Splicing in handwaved canon explainations is basically a core theme of star wars lore anyway

[@CT-316]

Leland Chee started that pattern back in the day. But before TCW it was sparing. Usually if there were contradictions entire stories and arcs were created to patch the continuity. Chee started the blog post two sentences explanation pattern we see today

[@klaykid117]

I'm glad somebody else isn't completely looking at Legends with rose colored glasses and this shit absolutely happened back in the day. The only difference now is that Star wars is making content for screens again instead of just comic books, novels and video games. A lot of us fans. Remember that boba Fett didn't just fall into one sarlac pit, but fell into multiple sarlac pits after return of the Jedi and then became the mandalore. That Palpatine also returned in the EU. And you are absolutely right Chee would bend over backwards to try and make everything fit into Canon there was a game boy advanced game for episode 2 or at the end and it can kills dooku and for some reason he felt the need to try and shove that into the canon and say that it was a force projection that he killed. Whereas his new counterpart Pablo Hidalgo just kind of glosses over these Canon inconsistencies and it happens way more frequently. I'm absolutely in shock that neither Legends or Canon have brought back Mace windu after he fell out the window

[@CT-316]

@@klaykid117 Exactly. Legends handled some retcons very well by, like I said, using entire story arcs as a way to do so (e. g. The Dreadnaughts of Rendilii being used to retcon the mandalorian Jedi prison ships in Dark Empire; Jano Fett Open Seasons being used to retcon the Jaster Mereel name, the Republic Comics incorporating the poisoning of Honaghar-or however you spell it, screw Star Wars naming conventions-into Quinlon Vos's story arc with Aylaa and Bly by having the CIS be the ones responsible since they were big into chemical warfare back in the CWMMP, while also having the Noghri fight clones in phase II armor, helping to patch the bad dating system by making it to where when they said they fought stormtroopers they were actually initially fighting clones...the list of this occurrences in the EU is quite large). And even with TCW retcons, you had entire massive portions of the Book of Sith and The Bounty Hunter Code that painstakingly patches the lore with the Nightsisters and Mandalorian cultures and planet, even including in-universe margin notes from Luke acknowledging that Luke's encounter with the Dathomirian witches doesn't exactly line us with how they were during Talzin's time. And then you have Chee and Pablo... Who did the bare minimum. You know that God awful retcon that crunches almost the ENTIRE CWMMP timeline into just 1-2 months? That was friggin' Pablo.

[@trevturp6891]

What do you mean handwaved canon?

[@PostCrisisRH]

@@klaykid117Palpatine’s return wasn’t that bad. Even if you try to make the argument that it ruined Anakin’s redemption, it didn’t. Anakin killed Palpatine to save his son from death, which closes his redemption, even if it wasn’t the true death of Palpatine and there was still remnants of the Empire, Vader still turned to the light. It also helps that Anakin tried to reconcile with those he hurt after he was a force ghost.

[@PhazonEnder]

Calling it now, they brought Ventress back here because Dave wants to use her during the second season of Asoka .

[@kaleeshsynth9994]

And let me guess she won't look any older than 40. Like Bo-katan

[@bigwsly]

I swear they could bring like any other character back but they picked the DEAD one I thought the resolution to ventress character was great even tho I personally despise her for what she did to savage which she faced no consequences or guilt for but undoing ALL OF THAT is just confusing imo

[@theunknownuser9609]

Should've been Quinlan Vos. Hes canonically alive, part of The Path (which would explain his interest in Omega) and becuse of his past relationship with Ventress they could've still have the bit of fanservce with him remembering her or indirectly mentioning her.

[@bigwsly]

@@theunknownuser9609 wouldn’t have had so much shock factor so they wouldn’t have done it

[@henherrera3990]

Yoooo it's the goated SW edits guy

[@a_bionicle6635]

“ThE pOoL rEsUrEcTeD hEr.” Ignoring that the book essentially says a paragraph or so later that she was accepted back into the cosmic force. The people defending this are idiots.

[@jacobp8383]

I really don't understand how Disney keeps expecting us to stay invested in their stories, when they keep pulling "Somehow X returned". The stakes are clearly non-existent, because if a character proves profitable, Disney will just resurrect them and hand wave some kind of explanation, barely even bothering to pretend it was the plan all along. It's like an algorithm telling stories, just blindly following whatever gets the most engagement with no comprehension of what constitutes a satisfying story.

[@mrsamaritan6881]

I didn't even realize Ventress' species HAD hair...

[@JeffersonsTreeHouse]

Yeah, I figured if anything they’d have a genetic mutation or something that would make a night sister have horns, but not hair.

[@somethingwithultra7231]

Yeah in the EU (where they were taken from), they didn't have any hair. It was one of the key defining traits, but I guess that Ventress is a night sister in this continuity so oh well... Hair transplant magic it is.

[@matthewshort4466]

Lol so you didn’t watch clone wars then did you

[@warrentalbot329]

In the clone wars they showed her as a child in a flashback with hair

[@WhorrorMovies]

New canon she's Dathomirian, not Rattataki. For some reason.

[@Gamer6Gamer]

Dave Filoni dont resurrect a character challenge (literally impossible) Wasnt this the guy that said making the old EU non canon allowed us to have a non contradicting universe?

[@maxwang7937]

Qui-Gon Jinn: When's my turn?

[@rayvenkman2087]

Remember how people back then said the original Star Wars Expanded Universe was full of plotholes and contradictions when the Disney Star Wars Universe seemed hopefully promising in a time before TLJ and RoS came along to effectively make the TFA’s problems even worse or give birth to the farce we’re seeing now? To think I had fell into that trap once... Got me to believe that the people at Disney knew what they were doing and overlook the fundamental rule: Once JJ Abrams is involved, it all goes downhill from here.

[@Riptor25]

Dave has turned Star Wars into a mix between bad fanfiction and bad soap operas.

[@chasehedges6775]

Quite a deadly combo

[@chasehedges6775]

KK already did that with the ST

[@rayvenkman2087]

Who knew that Filoni would turn out to not be so great when he has no one to supervise him? Why have I got the feeling that it’ll be a situation like Star Trek TOS’ Roddenberry Credits where Gene has claimed credit for series significant ideas other people came up with from Klingons, the Federation to the Spock-McCoy dynamic and Zefram Cochran including stuff Gene L. Coon was actually responsible for? That a lot of TCW’s great ideas, stories and executions being the result of other people not named Dave Filoni?

[@Mouse_Metal]

@@chasehedges6775 Soy cowboy was doing it even before KK.

[@DrDodo117]

Stuff like this is why I dont belive in cannon, if the creators can just decide shit like this then I can just decide shit I want, if I want kotor and republic commando to be cannon, it is because that's less absurd than this.

[@nagger8216]

Exactly. I'm all for respecting a creator's vision and therefor the canon, but when all that gets thrown out the window since it's decided by a boardroom of corporate execs, it really begs the question of 'why should we even care?' It's not an artistic vision, it's a business decision.

[@the_competent_gamer9454]

Stuff like this is why I'm so apathetic towards Star Wars and the mainstream fanbase. They'll defend any pile of shit with their lives and then criticize you for having a different opinion.

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

Thrawn trilogy, Republic comics and new jedi order absolutely still canon to me, among other things

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

​@@the_competent_gamer9454 They're the type of folk who'd eat the Elmer's glue and thank Disney for the ice cream

[@the_competent_gamer9454]

@@ManiacMayhem7256 XD on god

[@koboldfan3238]

WIth how Disney is messing with Star Wars, I will not be surprised if Mace Windu gets his own mini series about how he faked his death to leave the Jedi Order.

[@codey9]

I really hope they don't bring Mace Windu back.

[@nine7937]

5:55 Literally. I mean that is what happened to Savage. If you are touched by Dathomirian witches at death the magic either leaves you or takes you away so . . .

[@Darkmesna1]

Almost every Sith Lord has aspired to cheat death, they've been trying to figure that secret for a long time, only a few have figured it out but with costs. To say the Night Sisters had this secret of cheating death, this whole minimizes the Sith's aspirations as they could just go to Dathomir.

[@wingedhussar8552]

Not to mention it also breaks the moral themes of those stories. The Sith quest for immortality is universally portrayed as selfish, either because of the desire to extend their lives at the expense of others or because they are refusing to let go of someone they are holding on to like a possession. If Nightsister magic can accomplish immortality with no downsides, then what is so immoral about the Sith doing it?

[@SirGrimLockSmithVIII]

Also undermines Anakin's whole turning to the dark side thing if this solution was there the whole time with literally no drawbacks.

[@s.w.a7609]

I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up showing up in (if it ends up happening) ahsoka season 2.

[@crazeelazee7524]

I still think it's hilarious how "I will undo the character development of a beloved character to get people interested in my failing show" is not only tolerated at Disney Lucasfilm, but seemingly encouraged.

[@resaresaresa3800]

12:39 I am so glad that someone actually shares my opinion on this show man. I hope a longer video is coming out about this cause the way this show sucks is just so uniquely different from all the other disney canon

[@ForsakenKrios]

I think Bad Batch has good character work, and you can tell there is a desire to tell darker or interesting stories in there. It is mired by a bad central and inconsistent plot, now a plot that solely exists to explain “somehow, Palpatine returned” instead of the send off for the clones and the transition to the Empire which it does well at times. Also this most recent season has a giant monster every other episode. Not an exaggeration. It’s like a crutch. We can’t just have characters talk. No no, giant monster! Ventress needs to use her lightsaber on a giant monster!

[@samzilla567]

"No one's ever really gone" - Disney desperate for ideas.

[@dylaxiusmccoy]

I miss the days when Darth Maul came back and the show felt it necessary to go to great lengths to justify it (Even if the justification itself was bullshit). Now people come back to life or survive lethal injuries left right and center and the writers don't even give enough of a shit to try and explain it.

[@Nevad25]

They shouldn't even have to try to explain it in the first place. When you kill a character, you let him stay dead, that's it.

[@PhillipOnTakos]

They don't try because they think "Oh it's just a book no one read or remembered". They don't even have the balls to say that story is no longer cannon. Is that a cop-out? Yes! It's still better than what they did. They decannonized the EU just so they could "fix" the issue of all the books not lining up together and made it even worse. They did all that in decade.

[@russianoverkill3715]

Maul's resurrection was so need less, Savage Opress could've easily fulfilled his role, but when Maul returned Savage's character was ruined.

[@jakewheeler6014]

@@russianoverkill3715 Savage had no character before Maul even showed up. He was a angry magic infused copy of Maul and Maul was a much better character and had a much better story.

[@russianoverkill3715]

@@jakewheeler6014 no, Savage certainly had character, he was a brave man, who cared and protected his brother, but he was manipulated into kiIIing him and becoming a docilе servant(fall to the dark side arc 101), but when Maul showed up, Savage degraded into a faceless henchman for Maul to command. And what was exactly Maul's story?

[@mizzypink8]

So does anyone have the count of how many books filoni has de canonized that he wasn’t involved with?

[@chasehedges6775]

Filoni has ruined so much, it's insane

[@carncats07]

They just need a scene with Poe saying "somehow Asajj has come back". Problem solved.

[@Mouse_Metal]

Someone should make a compilation of all resurrected characters with Poe saying "Somehow *insert character´s name* returned" with AI dubbing.

[@lasercraft32]

Its sad that telling people to acknowledge actual FACTS and LOGIC can be seen as "rude" these days...

[@chasehedges6775]

True. What a world we live in, unfortunately.

[@freshglizzy3763]

I'll forgive this only for her since she's such a baddie

[@jovenc4508]

Side-shaved head, shocker.

[@lacolem1]

Was The Chosen One the only person in universe who didn’t know the secrets of resurrection?😂 That would be hilarious

[@Marlena_M]

I swear, everybody returns except Shmi Skywalker and Padmé. The Star Wars universe hates Anakin.

[@lacolem1]

@@Marlena_M​​⁠Anakin succumbed to the Dark Side to gain knowledge already available at the local library

[@Mouse_Metal]

@@Marlena_M *Dave Felony hates Anakin. Ahwoka is his Chosen One.

[@GhostwalkerSparrow]

It’s like hey wait a minute you’re supposed to be dead! You knew how to cheat death and didn’t tell me?! You know you could have prevented a lot of war if you’d just tell me things…

[@found6393]

Disney introducing a Lazarus Pit to Star Wars would hardly be the first time they broke continuity over their knee. Admiral Purple Hair's kamikaze attack springs to mind. Who would bother with capital ships, when you can hyperdrive a smaller vessel through a larger one at will?

[@tugman1234]

But Sheev you of all people should know: no one's ever really gone

[@AJadedLizard]

I just hate how disrespectful this is to everyone involved. It's disrespectful to Dark Disciple's writer, it's disrespectful to fans of Ventress's character, and it's disrespectful to anyone who's been invested in the current continuity. I'm so glad I don't spend money on Star Wars anymore.

[@Henry-iz7iv]

You’re absolutely correct that it makes no sense that this magic is exclusive to Nightsisters, i think its actually cannon that Talzin was supposed to be Palpatine’s apprentice before he met Maul BECAUSE Palpatine wanted to learn more about dark magic

[@blue-vr8dd]

i really would've preferred them just do Dark Disciple as a movie. do these books as movies. i hate the way they refuse to let go of characters (Filoni, whoever). it's very amateurish writing to not know when characters stories end. or just stories in general.

[@klaykid117]

Absolutely! Faloni really needs to learn how to kill his darlings but hey, ever since he introduced the magic mirror that was able to bring Ashoka back after her rebel's death all bets are off for as crazy and as bad as the old legends EU got at points They never ever fucking introduced time travel as of way to bring characters back from the dead. I have no doubt we will see tech come back because Dave fell faloni hasn't learned how to kill off his darlings yet and at this point I don't think he ever will. Any chance he ever had for improvement is gone He's already the king of star wars. His writing skill is only going to go downhill from here

[@PineappleDealer37]

I can't wait until they bring back Mace Windu. After all we haven't seen him die. He just fell. Thats like the most common survival technique in star wars - fall a great distance, ???, survive.

[@tonystank3091]

You know, there's something else that bothers me. And it's something *nobody,* not even people on our side mention, *ever,* because we're so used to it in *everything.* Why are there even flashbacks *at all?* And why would one be considered to have been the "only sensible solution" to making this make sense? I don't know about the books or whatever, but in the movies, there *were* no flashbacks that I can recall until Disney took over.

[@piotrbuczulinski9369]

Not true. There were flashbacks to Ventress's past in TCW before Disney took over

[@tonystank3091]

@@piotrbuczulinski9369 I did say movies. Because I did notice the ones in Dave Filoni's work.

[@piotrbuczulinski9369]

@@tonystank3091 okay there was also whole flashback sequence in The Force Unleashed - Game in which Lucas took part in creating story

[@tonystank3091]

@@piotrbuczulinski9369 Not that I ever saw. Setting a prologue just after the rise of the Empire isn't a flashback.

[@piotrbuczulinski9369]

@@tonystank3091 sequel had flashback every 2 cutscenes. Also kotor 1 and 2 had flashbacks from what I remember

[@TK-wk6xd]

I guess Luke was being literal when he said, "No ones ever really gone."

[@clarity2199]

If they can bring back someone from the dead, then why would they bring Ventress back, instead of their leader Mother Talzin? You know, someone they would deem 'important'?? That makes no sense, either.

[@SuperCrazyfin]

Somehow Ventress returned

[@stripedwarriorz]

Someone in the writers room: “listen, what if we did a world between worlds inspired retcon of dark disciple?”

[@bergy9438]

So apparently Star Wars has the Lazarus Pit. YIPPEE another mcguffin to make Anakin look like a complete idiot for turning tot the darkside to save Padme. Why follow Palpatine when you could've just thrown her into the nightsister resurrection pool? God these writers.

[@jodanger37]

I have a simple explanation: nostalgia porn

[@DrD00M3]

Why is anyone surprised this is Dave Filoni so yeah of course canon doesn't matter he's even said something like this

[@mightymayo121]

I would've loved if dark disciple made it to clone wars. It would've been a much better story than the Martinez sisters arc. Ventress deserved closure in the show.

[@nagger8216]

Bro, there's so much they could've and *should have* done with the 8 episodes they had to work with. I get that it wasn't even a full season, and 4 of the 12 episodes they were making were automatically reserved for the finale, but even then, what a fucking waste. If they really felt like they needed to show Ahsoka's life before she returned to the army then that easily could've been one episode, maybe two at most. Same with Rex and the Bad Batch rescuing Echo, that didn't need to be *four* fucking episodes. And considering how much ground Tales of the Jedi and soon Tales of the Empire covers despite the short run time of each episode, it's even more bullshit how that's all we got from Season 7. I'd much rather have a speedrun of several important events that barely get explored than eight episodes of learning about the Bad Batch and Martinez sisters.

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

Hell no, Dark Disciple is a cringe romance fanfiction, TCW Season 7 was already dull as it was outside of Siege of Mandalore

[@mightymayo121]

@@yrooxrksvi7142 you just don’t like it because it’s a different tone

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

@@mightymayo121 No, I don't like it because it's trash and a disservice to both Vos and Ventress.

[@mightymayo121]

@@yrooxrksvi7142 I personally disagree on both counts

[@ericsbuds]

1:51 oh no! not TWO light sabers! thanks for the video, Sheev.

[@Idea_of_Lustre]

I can't help but find some morbid amusement in the fact that dying (or what should lead to it) has become such a minor inconvenience in a franchise where death, its finality, its inevitability, and its consequences have been central storytelling themes.

[@TheRealSkillaholic]

I really like how you explain what you're talking about and why you're talking about it before you get into the topic. Most channels don't give a damn about that

[@acenewholland564]

To be fair, George Lucas could also just destroy everything about UE in prequels and he kinda did sometimes. The problem here is that Disney’s selling point is the respect of Ex. Universe, which they don’t. One of the reason Andor is that good is because it doesn’t bother about Star Wars at all, it just does its job : being good

[@ForsakenKrios]

And ironically doesn’t step over any canon in the process. The only inconsistent stuff is all of Kenari that it set up and never explained. I doubt they’ll revisit it, which is fine, the story isn’t about that.

[@Darkstar-qb3dh]

Dark disciple was a great book very much enjoyed the read

[@doctorwhom1]

What really struck me was the reluctance to create new characters. Ventress... Didn't really matter this episode? Like, the Bad Batch acknowledge she was a war criminal and moved to trust her with Omega at breakneck pace, she didn't tell them that the Emperor was a Sith Lord, or that the Clone Wars was controlled on both sides by him. Just off the top of my head those are the really interesting things you could do with her to justify bringing her back. Why was the random contact of Fennec Ventress as opposed to some random Jedi who survived? Then you could spend this episode investing in and building up a new character instead of autopsying an old one?

[@Reelglad]

It's been one episode lol we got a few left, watch and see what happens before you hate

[@doctorwhom1]

@@Reelglad God I wish you were right... Hell they doubled down and explained what Project Necromancer was off screen only before destroying it. Why have either of these two things if they weren't going to use them? Instead, we're left with the knowledge that Ventress can come back from the dead and maybe-kinda-sorta-perhaps Palpatine's resurrection was based off of scuppered research from this era, but maybe not because it was abandoned. Either: name drop stuff, but then contribute to building canon; or build your own stuff. Stop picking over the desiccated remains of recognizable events.

[@jaisharma5201]

The one difference between Disney Star Wars and the Expanded Universe is that the latter's timeline establishes a sufficient beginning-to-end continuity, with cause and consequence effectively portrayed.

[@thomasbarron4230]

Felonious DAV back at it again

[@sophiadebar382]

One thing that’s severely pissing me off about bad batch is that they literally have the best reason to use a legacy character (boba fett) and they just HAVENT. Although idk if that would contradict any books

[@getthegoons]

Oh God they even gave her the half shaved lesbian haircut

[@DigiThorn]

Man remember when characters could actually *die?* I miss those days…

[@pufffincrazy5275]

Apparently abdominal stabs and massive explosions aren’t enough to kill proper these days :(

[@konstantinosnikolakakis8125]

@puffincrazy5275 Next you know is they’ll bring back Durge from being flown into a star.

[@tacticstories7159]

Welcome to star wars. Where death is meaningless and everyone can come back if they really want to.

[@wisdommanari6701]

No one's ever really gone...

[@alexthedemon2203]

I always come back.

[@chasehedges6775]

Sadly true

[@sandrothenecromancer6810]

Don`t think about product just consume and wait for new product.

[@loganmonroe4303]

The thing you said at 2:08 is perhaps the funniest thing I have heard, and something I Unironically would like to see. As a comedy skit.

[@mr.griever9909]

“The Bad Batch is a show where good characters and concepts go to die” is honestly one of the most realest things I’ve heard from someone covering modern Star Wars. The idea of the show seemed great but was absolutely squandered

[@VitorHunter12]

TCW Season 7 still feels so incomplete IMO. I really wish we saw what Sidius had planned for Maul, after he was captured in Season 5. And it would've been so nice to see the Ventress episodes.

[@chrisschmitt2895]

Her death and the end of her story in the book was perfect

[@CaptainFellowship]

Jar Jar is the key to all of this

[@Spacecadet2]

So now Star Wars has Lazarus pits

[@skyslasher2297]

10:03 plus if it comes out of nowhere it should be fucking explained as soon as possible. Fuck considering the clone thing was the explanation they went with Rise of Skywalker actually does more to explain then the bad batch has so far.

[@Brejan]

Ventress should have stayed dead... and I mean back when Anakin killed her in the original Genndy Tartakovsky Clone Wars. Just like Maul should have stayed dead after Episode 1, and Ahsoka should have died by Vader's hand in Rebels.

[@jeremyallen5974]

They should've gone full dark and had the Council commit to throwing her to the wolves during her trial

[@jimberjamber8540]

Unfortunately there's a stigma against following canon nowadays, because some people believe it limits their creativity. They don't like to be held down by the rules of a universe they didn't create.

[@Mouse_Metal]

It´s narcissism.

[@Valehass]

Is it really imposable to die in Disney's Star Wars universe if you happen to have a uterus?

[@carnivoroussledgehammer464]

I didn’t know Palpatine had a uterus…

[@Grimmlocked]

I mean maarva is probably staying dead

[@zawahonk5576]

Maul has a penis. Or at least he did before Obi Wan cut his lower half off.

[@Mouse_Metal]

Yep. Also if you happen to be a villain. If you happen to be a villain AND have an uterus you can´t die and you also never face any consequences for the villain stuff you have done.

[@vanguard6498]

the bad batch, as in reference to the whole series, a bad batch

[@sujinemperor]

Man this would’ve been helpful for Anakin’s mom