SCHOPENHAUER Explained: Aesthetics of Music and Nature (pt. 3)

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[@BolivarArkestra]

This is fantastic, your writing and editing is top notch :)

[@WeltgeistYT]

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[@greenhilo]

This is wonderful! Great explanations, supporting quotes, and visuals

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[@RNCM_Philosophy]

Great summary. My biggest problem with this argument (speaking as a classical musician) however is that it obscures the fact that aesthetic experience, especially in music, can be very addictive. When hard drug addicts talk about their addiction, some say that it "feels like a warm hug," that it is a temporary "escape" from the suffering of the world (despite the fact that it perpetuates suffering). I know many musicians who are addicted to their craft in quite an unhealthy way. I wonder what Schopenhauer thought of addiction?

[@al4527]

I think that the general wisdom of "nothing in excess" applies here.

[@leonfourie7337]

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[@WeltgeistYT]

Thank you. We have quite a bit of videos planned.

[@bret6484]

These videos have inspired me to read Schopenhauer. His philosophy and especially his aesthetics are almost exactly the philosophy I have pieced together for myself over the past few years. I also discovered Aivozovsky and Bernini through your channel so thank you. The only thing I would suggest is you should add some music to your videos! Especially considering how much music meant to Schopenhauer and Nietzsche. Just a suggestion. I thank you for opening my eyes to my new favorite philosopher! Edit: I forgot to say I am a young musician, so I am fulfilling Schopenhauer's aesthetic as well as his ascetic ideals by being broke hahaha :)

[@WeltgeistYT]

Great comment. We're not sure about the music, it's something we have to experiment with as our editing skills improve... Thank you for watching!

[@bret6484]

@@WeltgeistYT for sure man, still very high quality videos

[@desertportal353]

You have done all of us a real service with these vids on Schopenhauer. Many thanks.

[@Gboberts]

Awesome! Hope to see more from you!

[@WeltgeistYT]

That's the plan!

[@FR-yr2lo]

Excellent job

[@johnrigas3743]

Excellent video. Informative and elegant. Thank you!

[@gabisyderas1855]

The english literary critic Walter Pater once wrote that every type of art aspires for the "Condition of music". To my knowledge, he did not reference schopenhauer in his writings (he worked a lot from sources like the french aesthetics like Baudelaire) but i can feel a lot of similarity between both. Great video!

[@jonathanmoore5619]

Great work, particularly re music and will. Thank you.

[@MathwithMing]

Awesome stuff! Crystal clear explanation

[@WeltgeistYT]

Thank you very much. "Crystal clear" is what I'm going for!

[@DawarRashid]

Fantastic work! Really clear and concise explanation and the visuals were very helpful and well-selected. Watched all 3 back to back as a “pre-show” to diving into Schopenhauer’s book. Also I’m curious if you could mention which piece of music you played at the end of the video :)

[@WeltgeistYT]

Thank you so much! The music is an excerpt from Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, second movement. Schopenhauer himself was more of a Mozart and Rossini fan, but I thought this was a fitting piece to end the series with. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@royal_berg]

: music is not apart of this world, and since this world is a hell, music brings us closer to heaven : So secretly my whole life i seriously think exactly like Schopenhauer, his dark starff" isnt dark to me, i get it inheretly, and his understanding of music is unbelievably understandable.

[@prateiksharma2864]

This is so informative. Thanks a lot

[@WeltgeistYT]

Thanks for watching

[@bindurawat5332]

Your vedios are very helpful to me thanku so much for your contribution

[@asmameklati2722]

Bravo 👏👏

[@photomancer2559]

So the short conclusion is "Art is an expression of the will". If living things are the result of the will manifesting itself in nature and man-made art is the artist's expressing himself, whatever kind of art, they are all just the will expressing itself, as if the will being a painter and the sublime nature is the painting.

[@WeltgeistYT]

You could say that. Of course, on a fundamental level there is *only* Will and nothing else.

[@Existentialist-earthling52]

A higher state of being indeed!

[@mawla3836]

Hi, I love these videos. I am trying to understand the philosophy of music. Any recommendations?

[@sonidoo5908]

Please what's the name of the music at the end. Shazam cannot identify it! Anyone help 🙏

[@ElusiveCube]

I love this channel, you know I frequently listening to some sub saharan Americans ,they are all philosophers, so so strange, ( THEY LOVE KNOWLEDGE) yet are always at the bottom of knowledge, many time they completely miss the essence of philosophy. They think big words suffice for coherency and depth.

[@matthewakagi]

3:49

[@trewtrewq5928]

First comment (i guess), yeeey! Keep up the good work.

[@WeltgeistYT]

Thanks! Will do!

[@gingerhero3849]

Could you reveal the name of the outro music to me? :)

[@A3Kr0n]

Your videos make me forget life is hell for a little while therefore, art.

[@WeltgeistYT]

Thank you. Those are kind words!

[@thomasmarcelmusic5878]

Perhaps the music of the 19th century was not concerned with Platonic Ideas and was a copy of the Will itself-- Sublime; however, in the 21st century, the materialization of Platonic Ideas is a common practice in sound reproduction, performance discrepancy, presets, or the pursuit to copy any favorable sound. Thanks for making this video.

[@WeltgeistYT]

Great comment! Thank you

[@DeadTalkLive]

Good video ♥♥♥! As a fellow KZbinr, I am always looking for fresh ideas! Nice Job!

[@WeltgeistYT]

Thank you!

[@DeadTalkLive]

@@WeltgeistYT You're Welcome!

[@Karch.Dah-Veed]

In one video, you mentioned "Homeric...." something with respect to the ideal in the arts. Was it Homeric Joy? What was the expression, please?

[@WeltgeistYT]

Homeric joy or Homeric glow. We have a video on Nietzsche and Romanticism (two videos really) in which we explore it a bit further

[@Karch.Dah-Veed]

@@WeltgeistYT thank you.! I think I got the Nietzche and Schopenhauer videos conflated! I am a visual artist and find Schopenhauer's views inspiring.

[@humanperson5153]

Do you plan on doing Nietzsche after Schopenhauer, perhaps bridging them with "Schopenhauer as Educator"?

[@WeltgeistYT]

All I can say is, stay tuned for next week's video...

[@Nemiwa]

where are you from? i like your accent

[@satnamo]

Earth

[@Nemiwa]

@@satnamo well yes, but what part of earth

[@briancarroll3541]

again, puzzling the apparent dichotomy; the individual enjoyment of music. wouldn't our inevitable perspective (limited or isolated) tend to create another barrier, an additional step away from the aesthetic essence which the piece in question was attempting to transmit-itself through the work/arrangement of yet another individual? was A.S. himself (noting the suffix) a musician? unlike in Nietzsche's case, i am unaware of any of Schopenhauer's compositional work. does this exist?

[@WeltgeistYT]

Yes, it’s not perfect. There is still a layer between music and pure Will. But it’s about the closest we can get

[@tizzie11]

Would Schopenhauer have thought abstract visual art comes close to the superior position of music? Because abstract art also does not always strive to copy platonic ideas.

[@satnamo]

Does the sun really set at sunset or is it an illusion ? Life is a dream comes true And death is its awakening.

[@satnamo]

He who thinks music is das beste form of art has never done martial arts. Das beste masterpiece of modern art is that of our own reflection as we are of the masterpiece.

[@MathwithMing]

Where do Platonic Ideas fit in the world that is either representation or will? Schopenhauer seems to suggest they lie somewhere in between. However, this is problematic. Platonic Ideas, according to Schopenhauer, are not representations and hence transcend the Principle of Sufficient Reason. Therefore, the principium individuationis does not apply to them. So where does the plurality in the Ideas arise? Besides, in the third book of the World as Will and Representation, Schopenhauer wrote some disparaging passages on mathematics and deemed it impossible to be beautiful. His argument is that mathematics speaks merely the relations between concepts (hence illusory and metaphysically insignificant). I found this argument unconvincing since even illusory images can be beautiful, and many people do find aesthetic pleasure in learning mathematical theorems. I was amazed when I learned that complex differentiable functions are infinitely differentiable. Isn't that kind of satisfaction exactly the aesthetic experience described by Schopenhauer, in which a willing subject temporarily "loses himself", and is absorbed in pure contemplation? That being said, Schopenhauer has the best explanation on why we love music so much, hands down.

[@WeltgeistYT]

This is one of the biggest problems with his philosophy. Commentators like Julian Young will argue Schopenhauer’s ontology is actually tripartite instead of simply Will/Representation, for example.

[@MathwithMing]

@@WeltgeistYT This problem can be partially resolved by changing the title of 'The World as Will and Representation' to 'The World Understood Subjectively and Objectively', as being an object to a subject is a deeper relation compared to being a representation to a subject (the latter requires the PSR yet the former does not). However, the principium individuationis needs to be expanded to include something other than merely space and time.

[@vodkatonyq]

I love Schopenhauer but I don't fully agree with him in that music isn't a representation of the world. Maybe not directly, but music indeed represents in many ways the joys and sufferings of the world. In a more abstract way, but the representation is there nonetheless.

[@nonamehere-y2t]

For what is pleasing to the eye is better to be recieved as that described by IMMANUEL KANT, who understood sublime supercedes beauty. So let us give credit to the person who had produced the thought originally. The highest form of art is that sublime nature KANT has described. Looking at nature in it's "sublime state" is even readily available to the poor. "Ironically", this "state" is because man is not involved. Pure nature. Though man is sometimes producing beauty in art, it does not compare to what, again, KANT HAS said. But mostly, let us not forget to give the credit to KANT who gave credit to The Most High..The ONE who gives us "sublime". Please educate when you have all the research. And people: always check the sources of anyone, especially on KZbin.

[@AndreaFilippoLongo]

A good piece of... art 😂

[@gokhancevik6648]

No one can explain Schopenhauer's philosophy...