Werner Herzog: Does a Bear Shit In the Woods?

[@readytogo6569]

Bless both of you for your strength, love, and humanity. You both allowed us to meet an idealistic, damaged young man seeking love and respect. Timothy deserved a longer life, less judgement and more understanding.

[@Charlimarteli]

Actually he deserves the complete opposite of that imho

[@patrickkanas3874]

His actions deserve judgment but his personality doesn't

[@chynnadoll3277]

I’m sorry, but Jewel strikes me as an opportunist. I watched “Grizzly Man” and whenever she appeared, she never seemed genuine. She cried on cue, and stopped just as suddenly. Something about her is off.

[@dianebays5484]

I hope all rock stars don't go down like Timothy did. Its tragic.

[@I_WANT_MY_SLAW]

She's a nutcase just like Timothy. She runs his organization.

[@mrwdpkr5851]

Dry eyes too . I never saw the first tear .

[@jennross6466]

I'm with you completely. She was Timothy's best friend and once girlfriend or lover, according to Grizzly Man documentary, they met at a themed type restaurant. She appeared lackadaisical and not sincerely interested in the rapport with Werner Herzog but then again he was making a film about her friend so there's gonna be a little weirdness. The part with Medical Examiner was funny and weird.. The audio of Timothy getting mauled to death that has been floating around YT for years I think it's real, I think it's authentic. We have to remember that Jewel was given Timothy's belongings, ie camera, watch, etc. Timothy Treadwell died October 6, 2003. Werner Herzog did the documentary August 12, 2005. Jewel already had the the audio tape (from the camera). In the Grizzly Man documentary, Werner is listening to the audio- you know that clip. It appears he's presenting Jewel with the tape and telling her never to listen to it, destroy it. It looks as if Werner had the tape in his possession. How could he?

[@jamie6770]

Just starting watching stuff to do with all this and that's exactly what I thought straight away

[@tiffanyross8611]

Hello Warner an Jewel thank you both for this short documentary celebrating his life... an special thanks to you Warner for Grizzly Man.. I simply loved it..!. It was well brilliant I thought.. an although he is gone now I believe he tried to protect his beloved bears . an that had it not been for the love he felt for not just the bears but for other animals as well..it's hard telling how his life would have been.. an at the end of his life he knew Jewel an others loved him.. I know Amy loved him an she died proving that love .. no matter what other people think ..he died doing what he loved . an that is quite an accomplishment in my opinion.. if everyone died doing what they loved.. who knows.. maybe we would have a better world.. thank you again oh an I'm Linda.. by the way.. I just haven't changed things over yet.. many many thanks . Oh an Warner I hope you go on with other documentaries.. bye again lol

[@sbrecke1507]

The thought of hearing someone die in such a horriable, excruciating and terrifying manner is beyond me.

[@donkeyballs3307]

Paramedics and doctors deal with it everyday , hearing the sound of someone dieing

[@spookshow6999]

@@donkeyballs3307 no they don’t hear two people being eaten alive by a bear. Give me a break.

[@taradactule6052]

I believe the audio on Facebook is real ..part of the real recording just nipped and tucked..it matches the transcripts..and they adamantly deny it to avoid someone filing suite against them.

[@7777Melchizedek]

Totally real. It was played on a news station in Alaska right after it happened. Police and rangers had a copy before jewel received the original..they are indeed playing it like it’s never been heard by anyone before

[@TheRplatts]

I think it’s the voice on the audio that gives me a reason to believe it’s real, Tim had a very distinctive voice .. I think it’s real

[@taradactule6052]

@@TheRplatts exactly! I think it sounds like him as well

[@Legoskateboardskeleton]

If it's on Facebook, it's fake lmao

[@taradactule6052]

@@Legoskateboardskeleton lol right Idk why I said Facebook I meant KZbin.. and that is not the reason I think it's real..I think it is real from talking to locals and comparing the real transcripts to the recording.

[@dougbower9479]

We wouldn’t still be watching this had the real tape been released. Good for Jewel for not releasing the tape.

[@danielnegron6496]

Did jewel just called tim a rock star? The only rocks tim had was in his fuckin' head.

[@Romulan2469]

@@danielnegron6496Obviously everyone is trying to be as diplomatic about it as they can but yes the guy certainly had issues. Whilst I feel sorry for the horrific manner in which he and his girlfriend died, my biggest problem with him is just WHY would anyone in their sane mind bring their girlfriend to such a dangerous environment where she could be killed and eaten. He knew the risks and okay she knew them as well, but she felt a duty to be by his side and in the end, it was her bashing the bear over the head with a frying pan trying to save HIS life which he continued to take for granted, and as a result of her not running away she got eaten as well. It's seriously messed up. I would never put my girl in any kind of situation like that period. All my respect for the guy went out of the window when he got his girl killed.

[@igadiz]

@@Romulan2469 Indeed, she should have never been there. But, she was and, he went from kind samurai to narcissistic coward in the blink of an eye (or the bite of a bear). Get the frying pan? Why not... I am getting killed baby, get the Satelite phone, get out of here, call for an emergency air lift, and hide somewhere until they get here.

[@marciaeovino3584]

I don’t doubt for a minute that it is real.. all you have to do is listen.

[@StevenBray-o4m]

​@danielnegron6496 agreed

[@sethother8012]

After trying to decipher the audio of the interviewer's questions in this video, I don't really think he should be throwing stones at Werner Herzog. lol I'm more frustrated by THIS audio than the Treadwell tape

[@patrickkanas3874]

I see Treadwell as a man who had the best of intentions. But he was a broken man who allowed himself to be overtaken by the beauty of nature and the simple and idealistic world he believed it represented and it led to self destructive behaviors

[@columbus730]

I wish all the people who listen to all these fake audios could listen to this. There are many KZbin videos that claim to be real but they are all fake.

[@dgivy]

thank you for posting...I am a big fan of werner herzog!! this movie is wonderful...great to hear some new commentary of the movie

[@parapoliticos52]

They should have released it. Best way to drive in that the parks rules should be followed at all times.

[@parapoliticos52]

@Ray Adams Sassy..

[@thomasdempsey8011]

He was not a bear expert as people try to portray him the park rangers are the experts and they told him his actions were dangerous and he was putting his life and others in danger and apparently they were right and he was regrettably wrong he was not a rock star that is crazy to think that he was mentally ill and paid the ultimate price sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings but that is fact

[@Thunder-acro]

Of all people, why did she inherit the tape?

[@anthonybodie7208]

I think she was his ex girlfriend

[@Thunder-acro]

@@anthonybodie7208 yes, but he has a family, if anyone, it should've gone to them first. Not that they would listen to it but they more right to it than her.

[@7777Melchizedek]

I’m pretty sure this is addressed in the film. Timothy told some people..rangers I think? And jewel herself that if anything happened to him, to entrust his..stuff.. to her

[@markmnorcal]

She is Timmy's last surviving mate.

[@Thunder-acro]

@@markmnorcal so what? He has parents, doesn't law say that blood gets before anyone else?

[@pattieandjack]

Rest In Peace Tim! You lived and died your dream

[@troyottosen8722]

Pattie your a typical ignorant big city,no brown bears where you live Alaska wannabe!!!

[@evabartlett4599]

@Black Stakk why the disrespect?

[@annehedonia156]

@Black Stakk Just because a man has a higher voice does not mean he's g@y. There are no such assumptions made when a woman has a deeper voice. He was a good-looking guy... 6'4", I think they said. Why do so many men feel inclined to comment on his s€xuality, when he's sharing a tent with a woman? I just really don't think it's relevant. High voice or not, he had some humongous balls on him. Fckin Grizzlies.

[@Rozzjd]

People talk about the doctor's attitude when he talks about the bodies, the wounds, etc. *The worst* is to have a friend like Palovak. ¿Why the fuck do you keep that garbage (tape)? If i were Tradewell's friend, I'll burn the fucking tape since day one, cry & move on.

[@buzzcuzzz388]

Retard Alert retard alert ! Message above from idiot!

[@LittleBillysWorld]

I've read the book several times and watched the doc at least as many. Timothy was a spectacular person most of us wish we could be. Jewel, you are a jewel, and Werner, I hope to be like you one day - a documentary filmmaker.

[@IlPorseo]

Yeah thats why he was screaming to hit the bear with a pan while he was fkin him up

[@sbrecke1507]

I wouldn't WISH to be Timothy Treadwell for all the money in the world. That poor man had a mental illness that eventually got him and another person killed. It's so tragic

[@troyottosen8722]

Little billy,what world you in? Tread well was clueless!Any wilderness or bears where your from? Let me guess!

[@annehedonia156]

@@IlPorseo And?

[@UToober17]

I agree - Jewel is really a jewel! What a lovely lady and incredible friend!

[@sonyagriffy]

Did they exploit the audio and deny it's authenticity to save face?

[@DigAPonyY]

Yes. To all the simps on here saying its fake because its on social media and social media says its fake are just that, simps. The mere fact that it could of been copied waaay before ever reaching they're hands anyway says it all.

[@chirsmatthew5633]

@@DigAPonyY Your a simple grow up your an adult.

[@spreadthelove77]

Tim was just lucky for years. He was not a bear expert and was a constant annoyance to Park Rangers. The Bear eventually got him and ate the Aspergers right out of him.

[@Kelly14UK]

I think that's more like it.

[@Kelly14UK]

@Prince of this world Everyone, with a degree of IQ, has intelligence and common sense. Regardless of "Disorder" terminologies. He didn't use either of these in Alaska. His ego cost Amie her life, and his too.

[@voluntaryismistheanswer]

It was the Veganism, his brain was starved and gut health is integral to mental health: starvation makes mammals testy and delusional (the bear for example from ravenous hunger decided it was a good idea to eat a human, and bears around the world have known to keep their distance from us in general for millenia- was that useful decision making on the bear's part? )

[@krennels]

Timothy had deep trouble accepting he was gay. His excessive drinking, estrangement from his Dad, and feeling he didn't fit in led him to a different staging area to resolve his inner conflict. He even wonders why women don't like him. In Alaska, he had trouble realizing he was a human being instead of a 1200 pound monster and it cost him his life. Tragic story,

[@jokkergar]

So much schizos in a single comment section.

[@Lisa-xh4hx]

I think that in these present times, full of CCTV, Cellphones, Instagram, and Facebook, there are almost always some type of footage or film whenever anything happens. Especially tragedy. With it being that type of world we live in, society has gotten to a point where we almost feel entitled to be shown these things. We sometimes forget that these things that are playing out on the screens in front of us are actually real life. Not a fictitious choreographed video. And with that, we also tend to forget that there's victim's families out there who should never have to worry about accidentally clicking on those types of things. If they choose to not view the footage, then that's where it should stay. It should not be up to the public. When things like this accidentally get "Leaked" w/o permission, it no longer just News or Media Clips; that's when it becomes a voyeuristic disrespectful act of indecency.

[@trissloan663]

Then, why ever make a documentary on it??? Give them all the privacy, do not cover the event.

[@Lisa-xh4hx]

@@trissloan663 so if it doesn't show the gruesome gory details that story is no longer worth telling?

[@Piotrek1985]

Guz had a problem with drugs. He quit drugs ad drinking but instead he found a new one + bears.

[@robingagan6288]

Piotrek1985 I think drugs damaged Tim's brain

[@geslinam9703]

If this woman doesn’t want anyone to ever hear this tape, why hasn’t she destroyed it? I wish someone would ask her that.

[@I_WANT_MY_SLAW]

Because it is a part of history.

[@sharonsettle9079]

Me too.

[@hermionefinnigan]

She may still be grieving.

[@micahisonYT]

It’s fully letting go

[@tommymoore7814]

the pilot in the movie was right Treadwell lost sight of what he was dealing with. he was dealing with wild animals you hear about these idiots that have chimps and the chimp go's chimp and almost one of the owners it's not the chimps fault it's the owners fault

[@StevenBray-o4m]

This documentary had a strange, forced kind of feel to it in my opinion. The mannerisms sometimes looked really off and at some points it looked and sounded like actors reading lines. Just strange. I don't think she destroyed that tape though. She might even have made a couple of copies to be kept in a safe. Some people and/or production companies would pay a small fortune for it.

[@vasquez5743]

He escuchado de gente que fantasea con ser devorado vivo, talvez ese era el caso de Tim

[@jamesrobinson5672]

Polar bears don't shit in the woods!

[@bgjb-r1499]

What about the pictures of the bodies. Is that public information? I can understand the audio being in private hands/ownership but what about pictures of both bodies and the dead bear? Can that be made available as long as you go through the right channels? Just curious.

[@7777Melchizedek]

There’s picture of the dead bear.. not Timmy’s severed head and arm. Tim has a frozen grimace on his with deep lazerations in his head before the bear grabbed his lower half started eating him alive. Bone crunches can be heard on the film. Amie looked like she was sleeping peacefully. That’s about as graphic as they gave us on the film. Lame I know

[@annehedonia156]

@@7777Melchizedek So, in other words, without pictures and without the audio, we only have their "word" on what happened.

[@Infinite-void908]

@@7777Melchizedek Where did you get that information on the condition of Tim's body?

[@4ws_]

@@Infinite-void908 its on the internet that tin on grizzly man with his ashes has to be a lie there was more of him than that but it ate most of upper and lower torso it was like his right arm left leg and a lil torso was left whoever said amie was sleeping is a lie they cut her out the bear she was eaten from the head down and whyd they give all his belongings and that audio to a so called gf/friend and not the parents? i think cuz he was gay he came out but his father or mother and father disowned him afetrwards and wanted nothing to do with him nomo so he went up there to commit suicide on that 13th yr unlucky 13 remember the gay rant and why call amie out to her death she shouldve stayed at the airport the day before cuz the last movie was the only movie she was in before death iont think that was accidental

[@Lars576]

In the movie Grizzly Man.. Jewel said that she would never let anyone listen to the audio... So is audio on KZbin fake then

[@jeannatheis6793]

Lars gilmour I believe so. From what I've read, it's fake.

[@reddev33]

Sounds pretty real to me

[@dougwilson6778]

The one on KZbin that has the fox on the screenshot is 100 percent real although its not the whole 6 minute version it is absolutely 100 percent real

[@chainsawkitten3766]

Lars gilmour then why doesn’t she destroy it????? She is holding onto it because it might be something she can sell someday.

[@igadiz]

Doug Wilson , No is isn’t. Read this article in full and you’ll know why. www.wolfsongnews.org/news/Alaska_current_events_1382.htm

[@corysummers3008]

tim thinks he could discipline the bears, when the bear was eating him he should have disciplined it, lol... how delusional is that to think you can discipline a bear, training is a little different, but u cant discipline a bear!!!!

[@Romulan2469]

The guy had a few screws loose. He was warned many times by park rangers that he shouldn't camp so close to the bears or interact with them in the way he did but he ignored the signs.

[@jennross6466]

**Happy Birthday Werner Herzog** September 5th (yesterday).

[@hgbuckwheat660]

Can we all address the bear in the room? Clearly there is a bit of implied privilege that Werner puts off in this clip. If you don’t want the world to hear it and you can’t face it destroy the damn thing. If your so indecisive that you can’t conquer your fears of listening to your ex lover and gf get mauled to death then don’t. But please stop milking the public for clout and publicity. She has even started a reddit and I’m just like the only reason your relevant to most people is because you hold the holy grail of this scenario. At least the Irwin’s did it with class and destroyed the tapes rather than pop in and out of the public eye speaking of the horrid tape just to say you don’t want people to hear it.

[@tink_a]

The tape is the holy grail to you?! Maybe you want to overthink your life goals.

[@forgetmeknotts3044]

Not releasing the tape was very selfish. I think it was very narcassistic of Werner to play God and decide that no one should get to hear it, except HIM.

[@I_WANT_MY_SLAW]

Jewel is the owner of the tape, therefore he would need her permission to use it. And he said that Jewel was never gonna allow for that anyway.

[@forgetmeknotts3044]

@@I_WANT_MY_SLAW I said wtf I said. White men (especially OLD racist ones), LOVE to play God. Who was HE to decide that he should be the only one to hear it? If the tape were so horrific, he shouldn't have listened to it himself. But his egomanical stance of "Oh I can listen to it..but others can't.." shows some sort of God complex... Get my drift? Who died and made his old a$$ God? Now, if you're too dim witted to understand my point, I can dig it. But I'm too woke to understand yours.

[@angelaandreasen6797]

I think it's more of a burden he has taken on to have exposed himself to the horrific Horror by hearing it. I definitely don't think it's selfish but out of care and human compassion that he doesn't want anyone else to have to endure it. Also a respect to the two victims. It's a horrible situation that they succumbed to. Fault and foul play aside, it's tragic and no one's "right" to hear or see any of what happened. The story is out and details for anyone to know what happened but beyond that none of us are entitle too. It's everyone's duty to give that respect to the family and those who died.

[@buzzcuzzz388]

@ Forget me Knotts! You are 100% Correct Absolutely , that’s what makes a documentary a documentary is the full and complete story regardless of the aftermath! Herzog & Jewel are freaking retards! Libtard style

[@lannon4prez]

Its only ok for him to exploit the audio and not for us to hear it. Lame and hypocritical.

[@sumeahsking8019]

Wait, didn't she listen to it?

[@Infinite-void908]

3:07-3:08 this is the answer to your question

[@erica4you]

Jewell is full of it. She lied and said 6 bears were killed illegally after tim died... Alaska wildfire said that's just simply not true.. she is just using his death for fame or whatever come up she can get.

[@JB-zo7ln]

Ive heard it. Its not quite as bad as everyone thinks. But it is very sad, obviously.

[@moderngeezus5007]

It’s only not a as bad cause we’ve been conditioned by violence as a society. But I’m context listening to a man and woman last dying screams is sad as hell.

[@masonwright7700]

You haven't

[@joanpiliro9640]

His fans have watched him like a family member his fans have a right to hear his tape.

[@troyottosen8722]

Joan , family member??? Tim was a clueless, Cali one who had no idea of Alaskan wilderness or our wild brown bears,simple!!!

[@7777Melchizedek]

What do you mean? Don’t you know that if you tell a bear you love it, it won’t kill you? Should be common knowledge 😅

[@moderngeezus5007]

@Troy Tim was from and raised in New York. He’s a transplant.

[@Amberelam97]

@@7777Melchizedek not funny!

[@LuvvyDuvee]

Release at least part of the tape for educational purposes. Too many ppl think bears can be reasoned with while invading their spaces.

[@buster3041]

It would never be educational. Only a very small percentage of people think bears are harmless.

[@LuvvyDuvee]

@@buster3041 thx for the reply. I didn’t know that.

[@deoranjed8118]

The documentary is so unbelievably wooden, it just makes me not believe the story. The details are utterly contrived.

[@annehedonia156]

I feel ya. Every single report has conflicting information.

[@igadiz]

No, I do not want to forever “fantasy” nor graphically imagine their deaths. Neither you nor Palovak have any intentions of making that audio public. The segment with the tape should have never been in the film. It’s inclusion, makes Your reasoning of respecting those individuals privacy nothing short of fallacious. Those of us whom have seen the documentary, will forever wonder just how horrifying it’s content may be, and in doing so, they will never rest in peace!

[@cathleenvance4441]

I agree

[@evabartlett4599]

STFU

[@sumeahsking8019]

He only served himself, no pun intended, with that inclusion. You're right, that he did not need to add it to the documentary if he meant to keep it out

[@heathen2487]

Who wants to "fantasize" about someone being eaten alive? BTW, how do we know the recording exists?

[@moderngeezus5007]

It does, I heard it. It been leaked on the internet

[@hotrd91614]

@@moderngeezus5007 What's the link

[@buzzcuzzz388]

@ Heathen - Yes “ fantasize” was the wrong word it should have been “ imagine” herzog & jewel are freaking retards! Documentaries should represent the full and complete works all the way to the end regardless of the aftermath!

[@TheZen900]

Treadwell lived 13 years in Alaska with the bears. He knew what he was doing. If you want to live in a city and pay a mortgage and suffer a boss then go do it. Personally I'd rather live and die like Treadwell. Remember that Jane Goodall lived with Gorillas for years in Africa before being murdered by bandits. I think Treadwell was and is an inspiration. He was larger than life.

[@flexibleatheist]

W Zen Wrong. Jane worked and lived with wild chimps, successively in fact, and is still very much alive, still educating us about her experiences.

[@bradleyfaile4853]

W Zen ur a fucking moron if u would rather live with a grizzly and die a horrible death being consumed by a bear

[@SaintElmo8]

13 seasons. not years. he was there a few months a year.

[@chainsawkitten3766]

I doubt Treadwell was thinking like you as he was getting torn to pieces. In fact, if they had had a gun, he’d have begged his girlfriend to shoot the bear.

[@bettywilliamson6039]

It was Dianne fossey,not Jane Goodall

[@dannydevito4899]

It could have been avoided if they had guns it would have helped

[@patrickkanas3874]

Even if he was allowed to carry a gun (unless you have a license to hunt on certain land guns aren't permitted in the park) he wouldn't have. He wouldn't carry bear spray or use an electric fence around his tent

[@shannonrobinson864]

I WANT TO HEAR THE GODDAMN TAPE!!!

[@markmnorcal]

It's so horrifying.

[@Infinite-void908]

@@markmnorcal The one you heard on KZbin is fake

[@CurtisB12]

NO! Release the audio NOW! I will decide for me whether I should hear it or not. And of course I want to hear it regardless if I regret it. Which I doubt I will. I don't care if it's "contractually off the table" -Jewel P. Take the audio out of the safety deposit box at the bank and release it. Stop dangling the audio over our heads only to rob us of what we really want to hear!

[@SaintElmo8]

3:07 She calls him vernor lol and says it quite a few more times.

[@jonathanmersch3006]

He's a german director, and that's how you pronounce a "W" in german. ...and "V"s sound like "F"s.

[@SaintElmo8]

Jonathan Mersch She's not German... there's no reason for her to pronounce his name that way, no one else does lol. She pronounces his name Vernor because she's an odd duck who thinks that's his name.

[@sarahsnow4279]

E Jax I can't even imagine why he would have done this I listened to the video many times and it makes me sicker each time I am done I never want to hear it again it was horrifying to say the least. I would never go where bears live just like I won't go into the ocean because I do not trespass on eating machines homes. I wish I had been able to slap this man for being so dumb.

[@SaintElmo8]

Donna Ferguson if you heard what was you tube then that's a fake audio so luckily what you heard was fabricated. the real one you can only read transcripts of from the investigators and state troopers and it doesn't match the audio found online. they've proved it to be fake in several ways.

[@crowdog2121]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmPXaZd5mdl1q9E

[@mudchair16]

Another heinously overrated filmmaker. The one made in Siberia was half-decent, I suppose.

[@flea8332]

the audio was horrible wish i didnt listen to it

[@alazureshadowstar3937]

It's confirmed to be fake.

[@kim3295]

@@alazureshadowstar3937 do you know where I can find the confirmation? I have seen ppl going back and forth with each other in every single KZbin video about this. The “evidence” that ppl give is only “Werner told her not to let anyone hear it”. And I wish I could find a more substantial argument. Bc jewel doesn’t have to listen to him whatsoever and i don’t believe she did. That audio is his voice. I have no doubt in my mind.

[@patrickkanas3874]

@@kim3295 I've heard that it's a re-creation of the audio that was made to sound as authentic as possible

[@thomasdempsey8011]

I think they are both fake especially her I Believe the whole thing is scripted she liked being in front of the camera the only good thing from this whole disaster was his filming which was superb everything else is nonsense

[@I_WANT_MY_SLAW]

He pretended to be eaten by bears?