WHAT A GREAT SONG! Gothminister "We Come Alive" Melodi Grand Prix 2024

[@TheWolffAndTheMelody]

Metalheads, vote for Gothminister on February 3rd! The Norwegian MGP FINAL on February 3rd starts at 19:50 Central European Time / 1:50 PM New York Time, and it will be broadcasted live on KZbin if you just search for "MGP Final Norway" before the show begins. Voting will be possible after all performances, on the website delta.nrk.no ! People from all over the world can vote, it's FOR FREE, and you just need to register on the website which takes only a few seconds! This is how the registration works: 1.) Just click on the top right button on the website delta.nrk.no ("Logg på") 2) Then click on "Opprett NRK-profil" 3) Then fill out the short form with your first name, your year of birth, your e-mail-address and your desired password 4) In the last step you just agree to the general terms & conditions by clicking on "Godta vilkår og opprett profil". It's SO easy, you can already register now and then vote on February 3rd!

[@anneheleneroe]

I love your reactions to norse music❤ If you liked Wardruna, you should check out Gåte who’s also participating in MPG (Eurovision) 2024! Much love from Norway 🇳🇴

[@TheWolffAndTheMelody]

@@anneheleneroe Oh that sounds awesome! I will check it out.

[@Uuuung]

We need Gothminister to beat Gåte Anne helene@@anneheleneroe

[@elendil__lehtinen]

​@@Uuuung Yes, you're absolutely right! It's always important to support only one song per country, because you only decrease the winning chances of a song you like if you split your votes or if you advertise many songs from one country in public! I for one am going FULL Gothminister - also because their song is much catchier and more memorable than Gåte's song in my opinion, but that's just a matter of taste. Gåte is fine, I like them, but for me it would be a huge mistake if I divide my support. And if I have to decide for a favourite, I know who it is.🖤

[@Eva-mp7xg]

​@@TheWolffAndTheMelody Please react to Gate's live performance in the MGP Semi-final 2, their song has a wolf in it! 🐺 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIK8eJyqhap3ntE

[@luisebritta6139]

I would love to see this at Eurovision. It is catchy, makes me smile and would be a great variation of the mainstream pop acts!

[@elendil__lehtinen]

Yes, "We Come Alive" is definitely a breath of fresh air in this ocean of exchangeable pop songs! We need every single vote on February 3rd, so it would be awesome if you also join us all to send Gothminister to Eurovision!🖤✨️🙏

[@xanass5419]

What happened Norwey people?😢😢😢 this song was perfect!!!

[@pyrolunaLOTL]

Very catchy and enjoyable song, which got stuck in my head! I enjoyed the performance too as it was spooky and reminded me of a horror film, very cool. It's a great way to represent alternative music at Eurovision. It would be awesome if they get through, I will definitely be voting! 🖤💜

[@elendil_lehtinen]

Thank you so much!!!🖤💜✨️

[@marita2g]

Oh damn, did not think you would check this out! I definitely voted for them last Saturday. Was so happy when they went to the final!

[@elendil_lehtinen]

Let's do it again and vote on February 3rd, qualifying from the semi-final was not enough!🤘🖤

[@marita2g]

@@elendil_lehtinen definitely! 😄

[@Ravensoul93]

His live vocals are always top notch and the staging was amazing 😊 There are so many great rock and alternative acts in this year's national selections ❤

[@elendil__lehtinen]

Which other alternative acts do you like in this year's national selections?🥰 It would be awesome if you would also vote for Gothminister on February 3rd, we need everyone for this mission.🙏✨️🖤

[@Ravensoul93]

@@elendil__lehtinen Gothminister of course, nur I also really like Ollie from Estonia. I was disappointed they didn't get to go last year

[@elendil__lehtinen]

Cyan Kicks in Finland/UMK are also worth mentioning!🖤🤘🇫🇮 Let's bring all those alternative bands to Eurovision, let's tell all our friends about it and let's achieve some surprises! Wouldn't that be great?

[@Ravensoul93]

@@elendil__lehtinen Cyan Kicks is sadly not up my ally, but I wish them luck. I just hope Eurovision itself (not the fans, those are so open minded) gets more tolerant towards anything out of the box or not classic pop. Holding my thumbs for everyone 😊

[@Eva-mp7xg]

@@elendil__lehtinen My favourites this year so far are Gåte - Ulveham from Norway and Nahaba - Glasss from Ukraine. I always preferred entries who sing in their own language.

[@charlesgreen718]

Gothminister is ridiculously underrated and unknown. Ich Wil Alles, Monsters, so many awesome tracks.

[@music2seeconcertphotograph457]

Thanx for reacting to and for promoting Gothminister. They are a great band that I got to shoot several times and they really deserve to go to the ESC final in Sweden. They would be a true win for the ESC final 2024 and they would get votes from across Europe as "the scene(s)" will support them.

[@TheWolffAndTheMelody]

I wish them the best!

[@soleywolfgangsdottir]

by the way, whenever you see the NRK logo (norwegian television) you can expect high quality music productions. they have excellent people working there

[@elendil__lehtinen]

YES, Melodi Grand Prix is always a high quality production! One of my favourite national finals every year! You're doing a great job in Norway.😎🇳🇴🤘 Would be great if you join us in the voting for Gothminister on February 3rd!🙏

[@mkujalla]

12 points from Finland. Please vote him!

[@mkujalla]

I will absolutely wote him, song is the best and what a show!

[@nuclear.musicaddict]

I was thinking of not watching Eurovision this year, as much as I love the contest, the jury voting last year was a complete farce. But if Norway sends this, I'm tuning in once again! Love the staging and the choreography, too!

[@TheWolffAndTheMelody]

Yea, this is all new to me. Its been fun to learn about.

[@elendil__lehtinen]

If you want Norway to send this, you can vote for Gothminister on February 3rd, it's possible from all countries.🖤✨️🦇 Tommy posted my instructions in his pinned comment! And @ Tommy: You should really react to some Eurovision stuff like many other reactors do now, I'm sure people want to see it as we are all hyped.😎🔥

[@nuclear.musicaddict]

​@@elendil__lehtinen I will do my best, I will be on a train and on a plane most of that day so I hope the airline doesn't change my flight AGAIN and I end up missing it. Agreed about reactions to Eurovision songs!

[@luisebritta6139]

Please check out Eurovision! It’s the biggest music competition in the world with a 50+ year history and about 200 million viewers.

[@elendil__lehtinen]

Eurovision is definitely the most massive show I can imagine, and it's no surprise many people in Europe are hyped about it every May! This is why it would be a great opportunity to see Gothminister playing in front of 200 million people!🖤🤘✨️

[@soleywolfgangsdottir]

my first thought also was eurovision songcontest

[@mariapilaralonsoquintana9220]

Tendría q aver ganado esa canción. Me encanta

[@heirantala]

Goth industrial metal!! ❤️❤️❤️

[@gabrielkain1]

This was definitely different. In a great way, though. It reminded me of something from the early 90's. I enjoyed this for sure. I hope things are going good Tommy.

[@TheWolffAndTheMelody]

Yea, it was a good upbeat song! ❤

[@elendil__lehtinen]

If you liked the song, you can also join us in voting for it on February 3rd, it is possible from all over the world! Tommy will post an instruction in the description of the video soon.🖤🤘 Glad you liked it!!!🥰

[@SHEERRAA]

I love it too :D

[@elendil__lehtinen]

My friends, please VOTE for Gothminister on February 3rd, it's possible from all over the world!🖤🦇✨️ It would be awesome if all metalheads, goths and alternative people unite to support dark art on the way to the biggest stage on earth! Tommy will post an explanation about how to vote in the description of the video later, unfortunately I can't do it in the comment section. Please look it up, it means the world to so many people!🖤🤘🔥

[@music2seeconcertphotograph457]

We'll stand together!

[@Oyvind88]

Love this song and band, must win and i vote for them on 3 Februar😎🤘🇧🇻🔥

[@quackodemon9822]

I hope either Gothminister or Gåte makes it through. Unfortunately the Eurovision jury seems to hate this kind of music seeing how they treated LotL. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@jkopacetick]

That certainly has the euro sound but with an edge to it. I'm not a huge pop fan, But the goth dark elements kept me interested. I don't have a dog in the fight of Eurovision, But I would throw a vote their way based on what I just heard. ❤ and ✌️

[@elendil_lehtinen]

You actually can vote for them on February 3rd, and Tommy pinned a post about how to do it, so if you want to join us in our effort you are very welcome and it would be of great help for alternative music! Facing pop music & mainstream, we all have to stick together to be able to win.🥰🖤

[@TheDoctorFlay]

Musically it is very similar to a lot of Eurovision pop but the contrast of the goth theme is fun, which also has its own irony. Very enjoyable and I hope it does well (which I think it will, considering some of the winners in recent years).

[@elendil__lehtinen]

I don't think it's that similar to most Eurovision songs, comparing it to many of the other entries in the national selections.😉 Many Eurovision reactors also think "We Come Alive" is quite memorable in an ocean of even more polished, joyful pop music. However, if you would like to see how something slightly alternative succeeds, it would be great if you would join us in the voting on February 3rd, otherwise an entry like this doesn't stand a chance against big mainstream names. Thank you!🖤🤘✨️

[@Myragutn82]

Lawyer by day, Gothminister by night 🤘🏻🎶

[@TheWolffAndTheMelody]

Love it!

[@kizombahot4u39]

Fun fact about Gothminister - Bjørn Alexander Brem he is actually a lawyer by profession within contracts 😊 Gothminister was also touring with Lord of the Lost last year.. Remember that there is a very strong opponent for the final in Norway and that is Gåte - Ulveham and their last performance live SF2 was insanely good and everyone that has been to their concerts are blown away totally. . For me- both are number one in their own way. It’s also good that there is some good solid music in the competition and not those Broilers that only last for the purpose 😂

[@TheWolffAndTheMelody]

Dude thats so cool what he does! I really enjoyed this song!

[@elendil_lehtinen]

Very shocked that it was revealed that parts of the lyrics of Gåte's song were not written by them and they have to rewrite the song to be allowed to take part in the competition at all. Now newspapers even report that parts of the melody were taken from another artist's song. Sorry, I wouldn't call this approach to a contest very original or fair, and it makes me support Gothminister even more.

[@scottvik]

We have to send this, or Gåte to Eurovision this year!! 🎉🎉

[@TheWolffAndTheMelody]

I can't wait to see Gate!

[@Mossy-Rock]

That was really good - I liked the industrial metal + gothic theme. Right, not many non-mainstream artists or bands make it to the finals, and when they do they usually don't end up winning, which is unfortunate. A good example of this was Germany's Lord of the Lost's song Blood & Glitter. It was an excellent song. I hope Gothminister has good success this year with Eurovision.

[@DanTheSqueegeeMan]

There are exceptions sometimes, like Italy's Måneskin, that ended up winning. Many think they are mainstream, but they actually weren't before winning Eurovision. They were a really solid rock band before, now they are sold to commercialism. Which is fine for them. But I still think, if someone is good they can even win the finals without being mainstream...

[@Mossy-Rock]

@@DanTheSqueegeeMan I looked the band up. It's interesting how an Italian band chose a Danish name. Band member "De Angelis, who is half Danish, was asked by her bandmates to toss out some Danish words, and they agreed on Måneskin ('moonlight')"

[@DanTheSqueegeeMan]

@@Mossy-Rock that’s right. I don’t like anything that came from them after Eurovision, but they had some great songs with great lyrics. My favorite is Coraline. There is a lyric video with English translation on yt. I speak Italian fluently, and Damiano, the singer and lyricist, is a true poet. Unfortunately now he writes in English and doesn’t reach the same level of profundity anymore.

[@mounirshita1596]

Germsny's song last year was not aligned with Eurovision voters. All good being non-mainstream, but if you want a shot at victory, you have to align yourself with the voters. Ghotminister clearly is aligned. Metal is not my thing, but this song and staging - wow, what's not to love! I hope this represents us in Norway 🇳🇴 We have a real shot at winning Eurovision this year if Ghotminister makes it to Malmö.

[@elendil__lehtinen]

Lord of the Lost's "Blood & Glitter" was a spectacular entry and is still one of my all-time-favourite songs, but that's no surprise as they are my uncontested favourite band. I think it was definitely catchy enough for Eurovision, but the voting system disadvantaged LOTL because they always got 0 points even though they came 11th or 12th in most countries. They actually never came last in the particular countries, but the overall result was a farce because it doesn't give you any points for the overall ranking if you don't get to the top placements in many countries. That being said, you should all vote for Gothminister on February 3rd, Tommy posted my instructions in his pinned comment! You can vote from anywhere in the world, guys, and it would really help us on this mission!🤘🖤

[@victoriajackson3823]

Saw these guys in the UK a couple of months ago and were amazing as usual. They supported Lord of the Lost last year in Finnland, as well and have apparently been talking to Chris Harms about Eurovision. 2years and 2 bands I've liked for years in Eurovision. Let the metal takeover continue 🖤🖤

[@TheWolffAndTheMelody]

WE NEED A TAKEOVER INDEED!!!

[@carolynkline7749]

Voting is international? I thought it was only limited to Norway. If it's possible to vote in the final, then heck, yeah. I'm voting Gothminister.

[@elendil_lehtinen]

Just look at the comment Tommy has pinned, you can see there how it is possible to vote from all over the world.🥰 Don't miss out on this chance, we have to do it together 🤘🖤

[@plenargrobe]

12 Points from Germany , very popular in Germany. Ich will Alles

[@eurovisionandfriends]

If Norway sends this to Malmo, for sure they can make a top 3.!

[@UltimaSRi]

Have you done Gåte's entry yet? -Ulveham

[@TheWolffAndTheMelody]

I still need to

[@ΓεωργίαΚόρακα]

Hi you must reaction Gate with the song Ulvenham is from the second semifinal 2 from Melodi grand Prix2024 Norway

[@NIKOSHELLAS]

🇬🇷❤️ I hope Norway send this Song

[@elendil_lehtinen]

If you also love Gothminister, you need to vote on February 3rd, it's possible from all over the world!🖤✨️🌙 Just search for delta nrk no , create a user, and then you are able to vote! We need all of you!🤘

[@anco89]

Man, Eurovision is a....spectacle. It is equally awesome and horrendous lol😂 A couple of really good songs every year though! But some songs and performances really make your ears and eyes bleed. Best year was when Finland won with Lordi - Hard Rock Halleluja! The first rock/metal act to win and they were all dressed as hellish monsters among all the glittery pop/glam/camp stuff. It was hilarious😂

[@draug7966]

I still love that song! HARD! ROCK! HALLELUJA! 🤘

[@elendil__lehtinen]

Yeah, of course Eurovision also shows us some songs we would never listen to in private - but all those horrible entries make it even more important that we stick together and vote for alternative acts, so that we don't only get to listen to mainstream pop or pure embarrassment in the final! I Will always root for diversity and originality at Eurovision.🥰🤘

[@anco89]

@@elendil__lehtinen Yeah, of course😁 Would be horrible if they stopped Eurovision, it's the closest thing we have to religion in Sweden lol! It's just a very mixed bag music-wise (speaking as someone who physically feels sick by severe off-key singing😆). And I really like that there have been more goth/synth/rock/metal represented over the years!

[@elendil__lehtinen]

​@@anco89 Yes, Sweden is definitely THE Eurovision country everyone would mention first!😎✨️ Do you know that people from all over the world can vote in the Norwegian final on February 3rd? So even you could do that if you wanna see more alternative stuff there.😎🫶

[@anco89]

@@elendil__lehtinen Will do😁

[@stefan_HEX]

Fun fact. He is a Lawyer.

[@antonkern639]

this is not at all my genre i m listening to.... but...💛💚💙💜💜 this performance, is fantastic, what a great voice, what a power... and interesting staging - 12 points from me

[@down_the_vinyl_path]

I became a fan of Eurovision when I moved to "Europe" 20 years ago, and this certainly has the sound for the competition. Last years comp, unbelievably and sadly (even though I'm not a fan of the band) Lord of the Lost came last! I honestly thought and hoped they could have won, or at least top 10. The winning songs are so generic most of the time now, you might as well be watching X factor or something like that. I haven't checked out any other entries this year but I feel this song isn't strong enough to sway the sheep from their pop music votes... Let's get behind this song and any other who deserves support 🤘

[@elendil__lehtinen]

Lord of the Lost were actually fantastic last year and they didn't deserve what happened in the results! However, the detailed voting results showed that they actually did not come last in any European country - but if an act always ends up in the middle of a ranking, this act will get no points even if the song comes 11th or 12th in many countries. That's how the voting system disadvantaged Lord of the Lost! However: We have a new chance this year.🖤 Gothminister actually supported LOTL on tour in December, so the bands know each other!💥 And even though many "mainstream" people will not vote for this, we can still manage to win a national final if many alternative people remember to vote on February 3rd. Just like LOTL won the German final last year! Let's do it again.🔥 Would be great if you would join us on this day!🙏

[@down_the_vinyl_path]

@@elendil__lehtinen so far LOTL hasn't clicked with me, I'm old and stubborn but wanna give them a chance. I'm sure there's a track of theirs that will get me. I was honestly shocked with their placement, I thought things might change with Maneskin taking the title recently.. I dislike the mainsteam way Eurovision is going. It was always fun to see the quirky, cheesy, camp, different, unique bands representing their countries and cultures.

[@StMidium]

Personally, I voted for this one, but I had Gåte as a very close second, so I wasn't disappointed when they won. Their song is also awesome, and you should definitely check it out if you haven't already! Gåte - Ulveham

[@skyeroach9885]

I love g.m. dark side and the whole dark salvation album are wonderful

[@elendil_lehtinen]

If you also love Gothminister, you need to vote on February 3rd, it's possible from all over the world!🖤✨️🌙 Just search for delta nrk no , create a user, and then you are able to vote! We need all of you!🤘

[@jondoe1538]

Reminds me of Diary of Dreams👍

[@TheWolffAndTheMelody]

no idea what that is.

[@jondoe1538]

@@TheWolffAndTheMelody try it

[@jondoe1538]

@@TheWolffAndTheMelody The singer has a good voice,maybe you like it😉

[@elendil__lehtinen]

We definitely need a Diary of Dreams reaction from Tommy soon, legends of the German Gothic scene!🖤✨️🦇 However, if you like Gothminister's "We Come Alive", it would be great if you would also vote for it on February 3rd, Tommy will soon post an instruction for this in the description of the video.🙏

[@jondoe1538]

@@elendil__lehtinen 👍🙏

[@kreaturen]

Staging should have been darker, should have had smoke machines and a levitating bed 😂

[@VA-gz7vt]

Winner eurovision 2024 👍12 points from Armenia 🇦🇲

[@JanKronlund-r6r]

He is a lawyer in real life!

[@TheWolffAndTheMelody]

I heard! Thats amazing!

[@GRAHAM2109]

My favourite from Norway's Melodi Grand Prix. This performance was done in a small TV studio. The Final will he held in an arena. The performance will be far superior to this one. Looking forward to it.

[@tomre2769]

Hoping for this guy this year here in Norway, I just wish the guitars were more clear. He toned down the destorted guitars in this, sounds to me anyway. But I love destorted guitars, most eurovison fans may not :-)

[@elendil_lehtinen]

Yes, you're right, Eurovision fans might not appreciate distorted guitars 😄 But if you also support Gothminister, don't forget to vote in the final on February 3rd, Tommy has pinned an explanation about how to do it 🤘🖤

[@tst6735]

🇧🇻

[@martinbrekke1004]

It feels so weird without a band :(

[@ronnopotter]

If you start reacting to Eurovision i will subscribe because i love Eurovision content. And you will probably gain a lot of new subscribers as well, Eurovision is a big deal outside the US.

[@heirantala]

Finland gives 12p this fucking baaaangs!!!!!!!

[@Vinterloft]

As a gross demented metalhead, this is one year I won't vote for "my kind" of song because damnit, Gåte is in. Gåte is the best live band in Norway maybe except for Kaizers Orchestra. I can't.

[@TheWolffAndTheMelody]

I still need to check out Gate.

[@DesmondSky]

This is such a great song but in that eurovision selection, Ulveham by Gåte is just miles better

[@TheWolffAndTheMelody]

I still need to hear that

[@elendil_lehtinen]

There's still a lot of people who don't think that Gåte is better. Especially since it was revealed that the lyrics of their song were not written by them and they have to rewrite the song to be allowed to take part in the competition at all. Now newspapers even report that parts of the melody were taken from another artist's song. Sorry, I wouldn't call this approach to a contest very original or fair, and it makes me support Gothminister even more.

[@DesmondSky]

@@elendil_lehtinen Lmao and his lyrics are that great he repeats the same lines 10 times

[@elendil_lehtinen]

@@DesmondSky At least he wrote his stuff. Others don't seem to be able to write melodies and lyrics by themselves.

[@wildhoney126]

I do not even know what to say. What is certain is that fashion is cyclical. Gothminister is a group from the early 2000s and then there was a wave of similar groups, all of them were probably inspired by Blutengel, who were the first to become popular in this genre. Last year there was Lord of the Lost at Eurovision 🙄, now Gothminister, the 2000s are back 🙄 who will be at Eurovision next year? Maybe then it's Blutengel from the 90s? Chris Pohl will kill all his imitators 😁

[@zsoltontube]

Chris Pohl would absolutely conquer the whole competition. That man has the voice, the charisma, the whole package.

[@TheWolffAndTheMelody]

I gotta check out Eurovision!

[@NevenCS]

i promise, this song got fucking robbed in the final. unbelievable that this didnt win

[@Onlythezander]

Very repetitive, but I still love it

[@darrinstokke3839]

They deserve a vote. Gothminister has better songs than this though imo.

[@elendil__lehtinen]

Which other Gothminister songs do you like?🖤🦇✨️ I still think that "We Come Alive" is insanely catchy and a perfect fit for Eurovision!🔥 By the way: If you think they deserve votes, you can also vote on February 3rd and help them! I would say that every vote counts if we want to see a surprise victory!🖤✨️

[@darrinstokke3839]

I'm fond of their song Star from a couple years ago. Under the Eurovision format, perhaps We Come Alive is a good choice.@@elendil__lehtinen

[@DanTheSqueegeeMan]

Sounds like a pretty standard Euro(vision)-pop song, but the gothic twist gives it an interesting vibe. I doubt it will make it to the top at Eurovision, the goth vibe alone will not buy many people, instead I think the majority are put off by this style. The song actually is ok, but it's not really outstanding imo. Well, let's see I wish them lots of success... Eurovision, for me, it's like an accident.... It's horrible to watch, but you can't look away...lol.

[@elendil__lehtinen]

Well, Lord of the Lost at least won their national final with alternative music, so it can also be possible for Gothminister to qualify for Eurovision at least! This does not mean they would achieve a great result at Eurovision, but it is possible to win a national final with music like this as we could see last year. But if we want alternative music to prevail in a competition against a lot of mainstream pop, we all need to vote on February 3rd, only then a band like this can stand a chance. Would be great if you join us!🖤🤘✨️

[@olemcdonald2815]

Come on man! It´s nice that you´re helping out Gothminister, but then you should be fair and encourage people to vote for Gåte and their song "Ulveham" as well. At least lyrically they have the heaviest act ever in MGP/Eurovision history. - tasting the blood of your unborn brother in the womb of your pregnant stepmother...

[@elendil_lehtinen]

How does it make sense to encourage people to vote for several acts if this just splits the vote? And in the end none of these acts wins because all alternative votes are being divided? I do think Gothminister is the one who deserves the support of the alternative scenes, because he is around since 1999 and already tried to go to Eurovision 11 years ago, so now is the right time for him to earn what he deserves after all these years and efforts.

[@TheWolffAndTheMelody]

Uhhh yea...

[@olemcdonald2815]

​@@elendil_lehtinen Gåte has been around since 1999 too, (with a good looong break though). I reckon people should get to know the two ( out of three) best "heavy" acts in MGP this year and then decide for themselves who is deserving of their vote. I get your point about splitting the vote, but it seems more fair to me to introduce them both to this channels followers. I would wait until after they´ve performed live on Saturday though.

[@elendil_lehtinen]

@olemcdonald2815 One should always consider that Gåte already has a lot of support from the Norwegian mainstream society, something Gothminister don't have. If I look at how Gåte are being promoted and pushed by many mainstream listeners, I think an alternative act that solely relies on alternative people and doesn't have this huge support from the mainstream needs more support from alternative channels. However, I don't want to discuss this issue, because we both have our opinions and I bet they won't change. 😉 In the end it will be difficult for all heavier acts anyway, because we are facing KEiiNO and they will be insanely difficult to beat. Even though I think KEiiNO's song is remarkably weak.

[@olemcdonald2815]

@@elendil_lehtinen Let´s hope one of them wins. I like them both and would be happy if we send Gothminister to Eurovision. I wouldn´t say that Gåte is very mainstream or has a lot of mainstream support though. They´re arguably more niche than Gothminister, especially to an international audience, which is where this hopefully ends for one of these two.