What Amp Controllers Are In My Ariel Grizzly?

[@almartin4284]

I have a grizzly too but it's red and black. No issues so far after one year. Changed the brake pads. That's about it. Love it especially late at night when there is little to no traffic.

[@Nalladalla32]

Four paths to more speed: 1) Increase voltage. 2) Swap the motor for a faster wind. 3) Swap the controller for one that features field weakening. 4) Increase your gearing (larger wheel size with a hub motor). Simply increasing the controller amperage has no effect on top speed unless it was severley underpowered to the point it couldnt reach top speed.

[@Altema22]

Nailed it 👍👍

[@flolou8496]

But when he say's Increase the Voltage, does that mean increase the voltage choice of the battery, like going from 48 to 52? P.S. If increasing the controllers size won't increase speed, how do you explain all the youtube video's of people saying when they do so they got increased speed ?

[@Nalladalla32]

@@flolou8496 It depends on what they mean. A lot of people simply mean increased acceleration. The only time a bigger controller will increase speed is if it was very small and holding the rest of the system back in the first place.

[@Nalladalla32]

​@@flolou8496yes when I say increase voltage that is exactly what I mean. More amps won't increase your top speed, they just help you get to the same speed faster(more torque).

[@Nalladalla32]

​​@@flolou8496it's worth mentioning a lot of bikes that you buy will be severely limited due to regulations so to get past a speed restriction you can get an aftermarket controller and display so there is no speed limit built in. This is the one case where a controller upgrade will make you faster but it's only because the system was being restricted in the first place.

[@Timbodacious]

you might be able to turn the whole grizzley into 60v 50a system but there would be nowhere to hide the other big battery and super long controllers lol and then having too much power on the front wheel would be dangerous. 2 or 3kw rear with 1kw front is about all the front can sustain before wanting to constantly slide out from under you.

[@snip_king428]

Dual 40 amp controllers with 60v battery would be deadly!!!

[@DanielLopes-kv4sp]

My Hyper Scorpion has 35 amp. Too how the controller feeds the power counts. Some controllers feed early and some build up while others save more power for the top. Another power player are the windings in the motor. Thicker wire torque hits on the bottom/take off the line. Thinner wire winds keep efficient power at the top end speed. The Hyper Scorpion is a average of all the above. So good push off the line but not enough to spin the wheel. Good build in the middle and then reaching tup and guts it out evenly/easily to the top 31mph full battery. Once it starts for the top it goes for it. Still it’s not a kick hard to that top. Tora showed a video of the bike on a dyno machine illustrating how the out put geared up towards the top for the optimum efficiency-spread to conserve battery amp hours against volts power usage, I know this in detail as I have had my hoer scorpion for 4 years and know how it rides. It a steady power train that’s even bottom to the top. Gets me off the line, quickly to the top and steady 29-30-31mph sitting at 30 with cruise control till battery drain drops it down. Like the bike got 10,400 miles on it starts up every time. Reliable bike. Kinda went on with this but necessary to tell the story. Thing that sucks is the fork. What a cheap piece of crap. See if the new rendition ( should be out soon) has upgraded one. Anyway fixing to put a better fork on mine.

[@supercraps6110]

You are spot on. with weak controllers from the factory, you don't get the performance you will need for speed and climbing ability. I have been using 40Amp controllers and some 35 Amp controllers and it's like adding dual 4barrel carburetors on a stock 327 engine. Your channel is the most enjoyable for e-bikes. Even if you just increase to 35Amp controllers you will notice a huge difference in performance. Looking forward to your Grizzly surprise upgrade.

[@CitizenCycle925]

Glad you are enjoying my content. I'll be looking into possible controller upgrades for this bike.

[@mad151maxx4]

We're can I get a pluginplay 40amp controller and display for my AR KEPLER? My display just broke so I wanna upgrade. Please help , if can. Thx

[@EBikeBuilder_]

i have a bafang g60 750w front. and g62 1000w rear. Both on 72v phaserunner v6 controllers, capable of 4000w total, 2000w peak each. But i find there are a lot of diminishing returns after about 2000w total. Can get going a good 35 or 40mph with 2000w. But if you do 3000w or 4000w its only slightly faster. So I think i understand why these pre builts with the dual hubs usually have them set to about 1000w or 1500w each. Doesn't make a lot of sense to go higher. I think the citizen bike is probably faster top speed than the grizzly because it has 26" wheels that are close to a 28" diameter.

[@Altema22]

Interesting results. What is your battery setup and BMS discharge rate? Just asking because I run a single Phaserunner with 52v batteries, and I see jumps in performance at specifical intervals. there is not a big difference between 1800 and 2400 watts, but at 2600 watts there's a significant performance jump. Same with not being much difference from 2600 to 2900, but a big jump at 3000 watts. Most of my 5 batteries will only handle 2000 watts by themselves, but I have a couple that will support 2600, and if I run the dual Tesla batteries, they are fine with 3000. I can cruise at 35mph at 2600 watts, but 40mph+ is easy with 3000 watts. I run my field weakening at 40% and the phase current at 96 amps though, so that may be a factor.

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

That's why a Kepler has no problem staying with the grizzly . 35 lbs lighter and a 33 amp .

[@jasonkrantz8946]

26 inch tires do not hurt

[@Jim-xl4pd]

Always enjoy your detailed videos. Any update on when you will be reviewing the Shadow step scrambler? I live in Canada and that's what's available locally. I believe it's a strong competitor to the grizzly. Thx

[@Dorothy-j6y]

What happens if I adjust my display settings for amps higher than what my controller is rated for? I have a 1200 watt 30 amp controller I set it to 35 amps on display gained about 2+3 mph faster didn’t seem to bother anything?

[@140theguy]

I'm run dual 30amp controllers in my Keteles.😮 Maybe it's faster than I think. Need to find me a grizzly the race.

[@johnb6174]

When you “mod” the grizzly Wondering then could it be close acceleration/speed wise to your citizen? 🤔

[@FreakyT333]

So in stock form would this Grizzly give the Citizen bike the best run in a drag race? Or is there still another bike in your garage that is 2nd place to the Citizen? Also your next drag race vid should somehow include the actual trap speed for each, I know you kinda mention the speeds you reach but not real exact.

[@CitizenCycle925]

grizzly has great acceleration but doesnt match the power of Citizen bike. it might be the 2nd fastest, that or the Havoc X2. i have been thinking of doing some timed side by side accelerations of all these bikes. just trying to find the best way to illustrate .

[@FreakyT333]

@@CitizenCycle925 Thanks for clarifying man, appreciate all you do to share these interesting comparisons. I’ll be anxiously waiting and watching for the vid! Btw I hope to see the Wired bikes in that comparison as I have personal experience with their performance.

[@MahKe03]

Appreciate that @CitizenCycle is going agile. He is reaching out to his audience and collaborating for recommendations for performance improvements.

[@devinodell6152]

So assuming price wasn't a factor, would you overall recommend the Wired Freedom or the Ariel Grizzly? Have been watching your videos and am seriously considering one of these two, but I am having trouble making a decision.

[@jfly2249]

26x4 vs 20x4 is a pretty easy choice for me. I have both formats and FAR prefer the comfort, stability at speed, and off road capabilities of the 26x4. The smaller tires just suck in comparison, but I am tall and can easily handle the much bigger tire. If you want to actually pedal a little or a lot, and don’t want to be hassled on the bike paths or pulled over by a cop thinking your on an unlicensed moped, it’s a complete no brainer. The Wired Freedom is much better and a lot less expensive. If I had to ride 10miles on a Grizzly, it better be to the hospital to get traction for my back.

[@SAMCHICLA]

@@jfly2249Great comment 👏👏👏

[@paulbouldin6677]

Hey good morning! Got a question for you. With all the bikes you have ridden, have you ever made changes to the front suspension? I am trying to garner information on how to take a bike without suspension and add front suspension to it. Thanks!

[@CitizenCycle925]

Yes, I have changed out several front forks and it's kind of a pain in the butt. You'll need to remove The Crown race from the old set of forks, which is the hard part, and put it on the new firks. It's a little metal ring that seats into the headsets bearings. If you search "citizen magicycle cruiser pro upgrades" i think i cover it in that video.

[@Aspire2Cycle]

Kind of wondering what amp controller is in my Rad Rover 6 Plus. It's tucked up inside of the down tub, need to find out how to remove it. I'm in the process of upgrading to dual batteries (maybe triple) and wondering what the stock controller is. Great video!

[@CitizenCycle925]

i would be curious to know as well if you decide to take it out.

[@gregdelgado812]

So if I add a 30 amp controller on my magicycle SUV you think I could see at least 35 mph.. ??

[@Dorothy-j6y]

I recently got a bike that has two 750w Bafang wheels but the odd thing it says 19a max 9a nominal so I’m really confused it’s a stock dual motor bike. Any way to add bigger controllers and amps to you recommend? I have a 48v 20ah and a 48v 13 battery

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

They might have done 30 amp because of weight and off road riding. It would rip up the plastic gears quicker.

[@zeroghost1mclaurin552]

If you make the grizzly faster with different controllers please post a video of how you did it thanks 🙏🏾

[@legato2483]

question what is a good repalcement controller for the grizzly

[@CitizenCycle925]

I dont know of any specifically, sorry :(

[@orvillecooper8334]

This does not pertain to your video but I need your help! I'm working on my friends trike and it's a 24-inch 500w fat tire bafang motor and they all sensors or bad! Do you know where I can get another motor only?

[@orvillecooper8334]

@sr_laingarciacalvo1..telegraam you know where I could get motor ?

[@emaguigad]

So with your Wired ebike having 40ah controller, does that mean if you add a second battery to it, it has to be a total of 40ah on both batteries?

[@EBikeBuilder_]

if you have two batteries then yes the amp hours of the batteries add together for more capacity. To clear up some possible confusion - amps are current, amount of electricity going through a conductor at a point in time. amp hours is a measure of current used over a period of time. when we talk about controllers its usually amps. But with batteries its usually the amp hours or capacity you are concerned about

[@jimmyjames8736]

No, the amp hour rating of the batteries does not need to match the controllers peak amp rating. A 20ah battery can run a 40a controller okay. Extra amp hours just provide extra range. A second battery does not have to have the same ah rating as the first one.

[@marvinmiller724]

Suggestion 60 Amp

[@corywebb5537]

How many real world miles can you get throttle Only going fast?

[@brianvanostran2944]

Where can I get a 35 amp controller for my radrover 5.

[@CitizenCycle925]

Area13 ebikes, Big game bikes, Electro bike world

[@evewilliams5017]

Lets see the citizen's bike go up against the Goat v2 ..ive got my popcorn ready..

[@CitizenCycle925]

Citizen bike would destroy the goat bike in acceleration but not in top speed.

[@Nalladalla32]

It just not that easy unfortunatley. It all comes down to the motor and its rpm/v. As the motor spins it generates its own voltage known as back EMF. Once you get up to speed and the motor matches the battery voltage power drops. This is why upgrading a controller does nothing for top speed, only acceleration. For a higher top speed you need a faster wind motor(more rpm/v), a higher voltage battery(this will result in a higher rpm since rpm is dictated by voltage) or a controller that can do field weakening to increase top speed at small hit to efficiency. If you really want to learn the fundamentals check out grin technologies on youtube deep dive into hub motors.

[@craigpreston1161]

for a bike so small you would not think it would be as loud as an old washing machine

[@teresaweaver6609]

So does that mean you want to get rid of it, lol❤❤❤ how much?

[@CitizenCycle925]

The grizzly's gonna stick around in the garage for a while.😁

[@teresaweaver6609]

Will allow me to be the first person you contact, if you want to sell anytime soon.

[@tomsewell2462]

i just want reliability, longevity, ad no more grizly crotch fires. is that too much to ask? what pair of cotrollers would last longest and not overheat. Look how all the wires are crammmed into that tiny space? no wonder they rub raw and shoirt out.

[@kenboyb]

New Ecells TC3000 coming soon !!!

[@stevemullis1961]

Beef it up. I'd like to get the class 52 volt

[@CitizenCycle925]

The X class 52 V is a fun bike. I do like the grizzly better though.

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

So dual shunt mods it is!😂😂

[@davidhuggins3892]

Dude the Bike is fast enough! Your gonna need knee pads and body armor if ya bumps it to the next level lol.

[@CitizenCycle925]

It really is a pretty sweet ride as is. But I can't leave it, stock.....😂

[@anacondahugs808]

🐍 We(Grizzly owners) are all waiting for you to source out NEW Controllers to mod our ebike so we can mimic your mod. Make sure you get an affiliate deal & discount code with the Manufacturer. Our controller upgrade purchases will definitely pay for your Grizzly and many more ebikes. 🖖🤙

[@CitizenCycle925]

Hmm okay, let me look into that.

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

When you consider the Fabulous bikes use 22 amp controllers .... You'd think the grizzly would dust a Havoc X2

[@CitizenCycle925]

Fabulous uses 60v batteries though which closes the gap

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

@@CitizenCycle925 well.. A bit perhaps.

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

Grizzly figures out still to be 240 watts more peak ability per motor. Or 480 dual watt higher than the 22 amp X 60 of a Fabulous dual.

[@bassw1758]

The Fabulous also uses different looking motors, wouldn't be surprised if there was less of a gear reduction then the Bafang style motors to achieve a higher top speed.

[@marwinpocasangre2171]

Controllers supposed to heat up during ride

[@mad151maxx4]

Another great video. Do you no were I can get a new controller for my ARIEL RIDER KEPLER. I LOOKING FOR A 58.8V40AH CONTROLLER and display . Thx.

[@toyahisreal2561]

aliexpress

[@raylivengood8040]

I’m surprised that you’re able to stay focused on any one project since you have what appears to be a breeding ground of fun ebikes ! Looking forward to your controller modification or ? 🤷🏻😁

[@CitizenCycle925]

I am a bit all over the place. Far too many toys in my garage.

[@kmtnbike1117]

Geared hub motors are just plain noisy as is obvious in your video. Tires are silent but those hubs are annoying. Go 72V with a mid drive and you will have quiet performance like no other. You seem to be working your way to more diying so I can only propose your next move on a custom build. I have moved my mid drive onto its 3rd bike so it’s always expandable and upgradable. 108lb Grizzly compared to my 55lb 4000w mid drive. You do the math on performance!

[@Americadoe]

Sounds like he might be doing a mid drive

[@CitizenCycle925]

We shall see...

[@jasonkrantz8946]

Same as x class

[@LessLethalOptions-82323]

interesting that the controllers are only 30 amps. Controller current, however, doesn't make the bike faster, It increases the acceleration, not top speed. I am pretty sure when you say faster, you mean from a drag race point of view. Sorry you had to spend your money to be disappointed. The Citizen bike reigns supreme. If you want it to lose, you will have to race against dual motor e-scooters.. Everything above the Grizzly, Wired, Fabulous are e-motorcycles, so The Citizen Bike can retire undefeated.

[@CitizenCycle925]

Yes by faster I mean off the line. I'm not disappointed with the grizzly though it's a great bike. Surprisingly I do have an e bike on the way that has a legitimate chance of crushing the citizen bike. You won't want to miss that one 😁

[@RobertHaworth]

I watch all your videos and enjoy them all. I have just 1 question for you? Why do you not show the Citizen bike with a GPS app on a phone next to the stock displays for a real life comparison ??? @@CitizenCycle925

[@LessLethalOptions-82323]

I can hardly wait.@@CitizenCycle925

[@zeljkozerjavic7008]

The real life is economy and efficiency NOT DEMOLITION WORK. Defender S top gun with only 30A controler for two motors, could be 45A not needed.